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good evening and welcome to android authority on air the original android hangout show on google+ I'm dare cross I'm Scott Anderson this week we are joined by two special guests returning guest dan Charlton of TM it wrong and Colonels and fellow android enthusiasts Derek more welcome guys so it's not what we talked about the this week well this week we got some devices new Nexus 7 came out for me going over impressions of that we are we talking about some carrier news also some app updates get some abilities for jellybean also some device news and then talk about some patents and that's what we're going to be talking about this week first let's start off with AT&T news they basically announced that they have new mobile shared plans on the new mobile share blends are going to be implemented towards the end of August now this is kind of following in verizon's footsteps with share data plans on the difference really is the fact that AT&T allows you to keep your unlimited data plan or use the new shared plants so it's not necessarily taking away your limited whereas on verizon if you were to start a new contract you would be in the shared data plans no matter what so that's kind of a nice different differentiator for AT&T but price-wise if you use a lot of data you're kind of and you have a lot of smartphones or devices they're kind of going to get screwed out of price um but it is nice for people that don't use a whole bunch of data and don't have a whole bunch of devices um I can think of people that you know don't use all the data or older people I may think that might benefit from these plans um yeah so it's an interesting have more choice and definitely helps up users and yeah so let's talk about verizon as well rising is implementing more markets in their 4g LTE networks and today they expanded and released into 33 new markets and basically by the end of the year they want to have 400 markets but right now they are at about 337 so they're definitely on track to have foreign markets and hopefully they hit that but basically they are blanket blanketing the United States with LTE which is awesome and you know there was a 337 markets they have out of 400 does not include my hometown where I'm sitting at right now but i'll tell you what they keep surrounded me though here in central Pennsylvania they lit up a whole it's a slew of places as the but yesterday and today and you know I didn't see I didn't see Huntington listed I'm uh I'm getting kind of sad I want my LTE at home that way I have a choice between my wife I you know and in my LTE if ill tell us actually oh I'm sure you know I'm sure the rural areas good eventually you know I have it at work I have it if i drive 30 miles in every direction except for right you know smack in the middle here where I'm at but I can't wait to get into the oil and if your house what's that you just need like an one power right at your house oh you know it's only about ever on mountains you know you put up a tower in a mountain in it blankets the whole valley well what they got like Du Bois and clearfield which are pretty you know I don't want to say small tablet yeah they're small towns and in Central Park so you know oh my god they got a groundhog once a year that does something you know you know I mean we have a lake you know no there's a big tourist attraction here okay all right but verizon you're doing a bang-up job just bring it to my area yeah they're dominating all of the other carriers Spencer their goal is to to cover everything and then they don't need to keep broadcasting a cdma network yeah mr. course upgrade everybody and say you got two more years get a new phone within two years what you're done yeah they're gonna want it and they just don't wanna die casting entire network like I start testing voice over LTE more if you make them test ERT are testing it now they're gonna start deploying it in 2013 yeah that'll be interesting when that happens but they don't I they don't have hand off but for voice calls between LTE and CDMA yet though now still working oh yes they do qualcomm it a concept on that I want to see at CES yeah well it's going to sue my jellybean app updates um basically swiftkey 3 i've got some support for jelly bean and also had some bug fixes which is nice and all that's a very popular app very popular keyboard replacement also google play music is got a very big update allows for queuing and reordering current playlist music and also new UI for navigation with transport controls in the action bar also new large albums so bigger pictures are always nice and the playlist art is also constructed from albums in the song playlist which is also nice and they also do have a now playing widget has album art and support for thumbs up which is also awesome so let's talk about some devices there well those of you to think you need tons and tons of storage on your mobile devices upwards of 64 gigabytes will be happy to know that Samsung with the galaxy s3 has you covered they plan on releasing an s3 with 64 gig later this year so I guess the real question is is do you really need 64 gig on the mobile phone with you know phone storing so much in the cloud nowadays you know I personally don't but I know there are some people out there that especially people in friends with actually to think that they need to store as many movies games music whenever they can just in case they happen to need it offline so i guess i mean i don't need it uh you know how about the dan 64 but also so we're clear this is upwards 128 gigabytes of storage because you can still put in a 64 gigabyte SD card yeah so I mean and but then you got to figure out the devices that don't have SD cards and 64 gig is nice local storage but it's I think it's over tilt personally it would be nice to go on a trip with all you know your movies and all of your music and not have to cash it from google music or something like that more storage and more options are nice and I think this will definitely be I think the public will react in purchasing you know they'll figure out if it's something that is needed and probably in the future with different devices if it doesn't sell well then they probably will stick with the 32 and 16 and eight so I mean it's all to a competition thing right you can get the iphone in 16 32 or 64 yeah exactly yeah I guess I didn't look at it that way but as we'll talk about later in the show samsung is not copying Apple that's I don't know if it is it kind it is their data on how the various iphone models or selling in terms of storage I know Apple wow this is some stats but I haven't seen I don't know if they released stats about the particular storage space yeah I I was room looked EQ is the top seller I mean in terms of stuff like Google Music automatically caches and and does a pretty good job managing cash so it's never it's never been an issue for me and I don't really want to watch video on my phone so I mean it is a four-point really big inch screen but still I you know I guess if I'm if it was born your friend with like I really don't mean yeah the games I mean can you really store that many games on your phone yeah oh wait also work out to play those they don't need tons and tons of space for all of these other game so they don't really play well no but also lie mean they are coming out with more graphic intensive games that are taking up a lot of stores now whether it's you just download the app that's the actual downloader of third-party you know packages or add-ons I think that it is nice to have a bunch of storage just because it will actually push developers to you know have third-party in add-ons and more options that developers can often offer their customers which i think is an interesting way to look at it maybe yeah I've actually noticed less games having the add-on stuff since Google up they pee K sides already how that they can package it all in just one file I gotta take advantage of that yeah and what's that limit free games I think yeah I think it's three or four gigabytes now okay yeah so I mean like the type of megabytes yeah so for the time being you know whether it's an add-on or whether it's you know just in a BK installation they're getting bigger they're getting more graphic intensive bit more you know storylines and videos and are they are but I think that as technology progresses i think it'll bill we get there all right so let's talk about some root and rom news it happened this week well cm9 hit RC 2 and also when rc2 is released we had some additional devices show up with the Arctic RC to release candidates the status you had me galaxy s3 i9300 the samsung galaxy tab 2 10.1 as well as the sky rocket which is the variant of the sgs2 is one handy on AT&T and the t-mobile version of the sgs2 the burka leaves as well is now RC 2 and last but not least the samsung galaxy note so a whole bunch of Samsung devices got rc2 status with cm9 now you might be thinking well you know cm9 you know with jelly bean out there I'll really care well thankfully the CM teen has us covered in this week they tease the hell out of us with a whole mess of different devices posting all over the interwebs from YouTube to Twitter to Google+ we saw all sorts of different pictures screenshots and so forth of a lot of different devices running cm10 just to let us know that that you know they're there were actively working on it so we saw the optimus 4x we saw the HTC One S oh my you know oh and HTC two bites know a lot of people excited about that the soldiers are in here it's perfect we saw the Nexus 7 you know no surprise but it's a Nexus device we sell the International sgs3 I witness as well as the 18 t-birds and the t-mobile version sprint version oddly enough we didn't see the verizon version because the whole lotta new voting thing we saw the HTC Sensation the galaxy s the original one we saw the skyrocket the epic touch the galaxy tab 10.1 as well as the Toro in Morocco are all running extreme alphas right now preview teasers whatever you want to call so CM team is definitely working very hard on version 10 of jelly jelly bean so well I'm sure in the next coming weeks you know we'll start seeing some night least so far they have a bunch of features that are merged into the cm10 jelly bean release we have the power menu with screenshot capabilities working profiles is working lockscreen calendar and lock screen whether notification like customization battery light customization the selector notification toggle and a few few other support settings which basically brings the feature set very close to what is available in cm9 so that they're getting very very close very exciting yeah I think that we'll see cm10 night leads for a bunch of devices most likely in a very near future so let's move on to some patent related stuff um the you guys remember last week when Judge calling bris her burst he ruled samsung galaxy tab is not as cool as the iPad and I'm not infringing on apples design because remember that good and bad i remember that let the world know that that ipad was cooler but that had some consequences didn't it yeah basically it turns out that some of the major like the insult that came from Apple is the judge is actually saying that Apple has to publicly announce that the galaxy tab did not copy the ipad um and basically saying that publicly is I think reinvigorating there um tarnished reputation through what happened and I think it is a good decision um for that the judge made but apples argument was well it's just free publicity and you know we didn't really tarnished you know their brand that much and well yea this free publicity so that's awesome yeah the judge ruled they're gonna have to put it up on their website for six months yep been getting coffee on and and also as well as major British news news magazine or companies magazines or newspapers put in run run articles in there so they want the word if the judge wants the word out there that Apple did I'm sorry samsung did not copy Apple all night I think that's pretty damn cool yeah I can't wait to go to apple's website and screenshot that article Oh apples out co dot u K well yeah exactly but it's you know that that's good enough for me oh yeah and we and we don't know how prominent it has to be on the website or blog and the footer you know you're heading heading size sticks in the footer down below yeah I mean that's a big tent welcome to British law Apple cuz they take each a lot more seriously than they do in the US I mean you can't go around trashing people and saying they're doing all these illegal things if they're not you get in trouble for that they're here yeah you can get away with it but not they're also in patent news though a German judge ruled that the motorola xoom was not confronting on the ipad design so that was two wins yeah but the horse continue on this time it's a win for the Android side I like it I can't wait to see what percussions well the the the Samsung Apple trial in the u.s. is coming up the end of the month and that's going to be very interesting to see but how that that goes yeah and will with with regards to Motorola the import am is effective so the import ban I don't know how they're going to deal with that but I think that they just imported all bunch of products before the actual import ban and have released a large stock or have a large stock to compensate or maybe and and and their most of the devices that that that was because of just to be clear for listeners I was because of Microsoft ActiveSync patents not nothing to do with Apple in this case but it was mostly for really old devices like the click and the backflip and just stuff that isn't even on the market anymore mean the only thing I think they have that they still sell as you know the zoom and maybe the x2 yeah I'll slip to know and that's that's really what Microsoft has been pushing running around getting all the android oems to to patent licensing fees as these activesync these exchange related patents well the majority of them are already do right yeah yeah yeah in fact google pays a fee you'll do package it into android i can't remember what version they started packaging with but it will be able to do that can't google just pay a fee for the OS well i think that's why it's just these old devices okay cuz ones running newer OS is sort of get grandfathered in okay so let's hit the meat of the show and just in time we were just joined by John curling he was it wasn't able to make it on toilet he made perfectly in time for nexus 7 information so earlier this week Marlene last week depending on which part of story won't start talking about further in in recent times the nexus 7 became readily available to the masses were like many many many many did it started showing up on Tuesday oh and John has three of them as he sustained so let's not mother shipping world there's my hat you know a lot of people were upset that there was no shipment notification from google and retailers all over the US were selling so basically a lot of people were upset because they paid money for shipping to pre-order it and people are going to a walmart sam's club that's fine you know whatever staples in picking these things up so a lot of people were upset um Google eventually who eventually let's shed some light on the subject stating that basically wow these things are selling like hotcakes you know as the saying goes there they had an incredible demand for them and bigger than they'd expected I guess so have a little bit of a shipping debacle but they let everybody know that they shipped every seven gigabyte I'm sorry every eight gigabyte version that was ordered prior to the 13th those order stand alone so if you order like a case or a nexus q with it as well that didn't ship uh for a few days later and then the 16 gigabyte version stand alone once again not with an extra charger or you know a queue or something our case those are actually shipping by the end of the day tomorrow so some people if you got the big guy 16 gig version you still might not get it for another two days maybe don't assume that the 16 gig was the one that was in the highest of demand oh you know what because I don't know I've been where even I would guess say they're pretty even because people want something cheap and then a lot of people want more space so guessing is probably pretty even but you know we won't know until wherever if we're ever told any type of number but either way it looks like create you know if that's the case 16 gig version people won't start getting them you know for the next you know a couple days people will still be getting them I've changed it to overnight on the shipping instead of two day too oh yeah yeah that was the house mice and people to do that huh so that i'm sure i made a lot of people happy oh you're being overly generous oh it's just a shipping error you know they had so much demand demand is irrelevant these are pre orders they knew exactly how many of them there were it's not like oh god more people showed up at the store today to ask for them we freaking signed up weeks in advance oh how many of them people were expecting the day they went on sale in a box of they never said when it was going to ship it said shipping in two to three weeks it did but you know as well as I do if you're going to release a product the people who pre-order good at the same day goes on sale in the stores I assume that's how pre-order works I even about every other company the extruder means happened and launches you know that's why you do it but that didn't happen for whatever the reason in you know what I was upset at first but I realized this and you know the grand scale of things the tablets pretty awesome so I don't care I eventually got it yet my shattered for two days but but you know what I'm extremely happy with it so I'm not that upset anymore I'm not I mean I I don't care I didn't it was a large miss stuff for google and i had i think acknowledging that definitely makes them realize that a next time we release a product um this is how we need to operate and this is what we don't need to do again oh and look at it this way this is a based on a little bit of fact a little bit of you what's been happening um in the past couple days so you you buy one from google you pre-order and everyone's complaining well why did I spend you know fourteen dollars for shift or whatever you paid for shipping what I could just went to sams club there some pic tit off without paying extra few bucks well said a lot of people are speculating this and comparing it to creat previous product launches as well as you know issues they've been having the past few days is that when you ordered from google the one that's going to handle the product replacement so if you need to have it replaced you know for what a warranty issue or something there they're going to send you a new one and then you can ship back the one you have is defective they're into an advanced product replacement where most places don't do that you have to send them the defective one once they receive it they'll send you back so if you wanted to go to a store that might you might not walk out of there because they're sold out you might not walk out of there with a new one and people were that have hair getting defective next 27 this week are shipping them back after they get a new one so it's a little added bonus mean yeah you might you had to wait two days but you get that extra you know Google a little bit of satisfaction yeah but when you sit down your coworker or is it the next day and they get it before you do and you order neat before the keynote it kind of throws a little like what the heck I understand and I I ordered it before the keynote to you and I were at the same time yeah I I was kind of you know saddened but I got over it you know I think that's okay yeah i mean it's it's not gonna make me not by another google product but it is a huge misstep and I heard those people you want to go out of your way for not people you want to leave out you know hanging out to dry I think they could have let people know about the shipping situation a couple days far but they tried to make it right by your story started selling them now my didn't get charged for mine so I'm not gonna complain and there's also yeah there's also rumors that saying that you know stores sold them early to they should have waited for Google's you know go ahead that was getting pushed back another day or two that's exploring my head they sold it anyway istics problem greatly yours aren't unaccustomed to we get this product we keep it in storage for 48 hours and then it goes on sale Google doesn't really have a lot of experience with you know yeah well product red cells Oh hallelujah this is should have done is they should have said it okay pre-orders once we get all of the initial pre-orders out then then we actually bother buying the legs and then retailers you've been themself I mean I think that would have been the wise decision all they needed to do was say leap and then they're good but that didn't happen and hopefully they learn from this mistake yeah right so let's talk about a little bit more doom and gloom before we get on the good stuff so some people are reporting some dead pixels well you know what when you're gonna push out 600,000 devices you're gonna have some that have bad pixels every every major device out there these happen so this ought to tear you from from buying you know this device everything you know we make something a mask one is you're going to get something that's that's you know a little defective it sucks that you you're the one that got it but you can't make everything a hundred percent perfect when you're making this many devices it I don't think that's an issue that's my personal opinion you guys are great and my first evo 3d had multiple dead pixels and I had to take it back and I mean the nice thing was something that you get in a store you can take it back and they hand you a new one and you walk out the door and done where's this you got to you know all some phone number or send an email to who knows how oh my god in the wait time is horrendous for a google play store oh I've heard people saying that they were on hold for a while or nap wow you know that's that's a shame three calls so there there's some screen lifting issues now all of us that have them here uh does anybody any of you have any spree lifting issues not at all and I actually do on my asus transformer prime but yeah I did have that issue on my prominent but no you know what so the client had it and we didn't hear about it the transformer how to do the other thing I i think that the nexus 7's built quality is much better than the prime I agree oh it's even though it's like half the cost which I find it surprised the hell out of me ya know it's an extremely well device so people are noticing this more because it's a more popular device it or is it just because it's you know hey it's Google's first tablet we're gonna scrutinize it to hell I mean it could be at picking it could be just that they're amina asus hasn't perfected their IPS technology and just isn't doing it well enough and so more people are seeing because it's more popular but the transformer prime is a pretty popular tablet people were fast to jump over ridiculous nonsense like GPS problems in a Wi-Fi only device now this is not even how I don't know that I checked its Wi-Fi only yeah we've talked about that the show now the screen acting issue once again if you bought it from google you can go ahead and call them up and say you get and make a case saying how bad your screen is lifting up and i'll send you a new one right away there's many reports all over the interwebs about that so if you're really if you're having that it's that big of a deal with some people reporting it being a millimeter or two lifting up I mind fine so it's in everybody else in here looks like I haven't it's time so if you're nitpicking that much and you want something to be perfect then you know go ahead and go through the right channels I there were reports of people actually taking it apart and tightening some of the screws I guess the screws along the left side we're only about seventy eighty percent tighten to tighten another one or two turns um that fixed it for most people it seems for a day or so but then it's if the screen started lifting again so it must be the adhesive tape or what however it attaches it is a little bit Leafs on that side but like I said if you can't fix it yourself or you don't want to call Google me there they're gonna they're gonna replace it for it so now I said that other tablets you know or have a little bit effectiveness you're dead pixels whatever not everything everything has that let's talk about you know the latest iPad the new ipad the ipad 3 whatever you want to call ipad HD yeah whatever floats your boat you know a lot of people complained about that device you know it's not really a hardware thing but if people complain about the price you know it real pretty expensive uh but but related to hardware people complained a lot a lot about Wi-Fi connectivity issues with the new iPad Thomas update for it too yeah exactly exactly so not upset even you know magical Apple has these problems to every chain everybody has these a lot of people complain about the new I've had being extremely hot and overheating you know and heat graphs show that it is hot and that also might be because as LTE and it's mostly battery okay it's it's really hot um no just basing a quad-core GPU into outdated in facturing process you know and people complain about the battery not charging not to a hundred percent full when it says it's full it's really not a hundred percent people complain that the battery on the iPad was extremely slow to charge yeah so I mean really slow is just freaking massive yeah i think the common thread there is people complain yeah yeah if someone has a problem about something I'm oh look like leave it on the internet and I complain I mean the Nexus 7 is a very popular device and a handful of people probably got some defective units and then you know being very are very outspoken about it you can't engage every one of us you really can't and if you do really have something wrong with it you can get sick you know okay so let's move on to the good they have the device what's good about the device unlocking that boot letter will get that nice let me talk about the price here yeah before we talk about everything so this thing cost 200 bucks if you got the eight gig version right now I mean the 16 gig was 16 gig was 250 now you can actually knock that down almost a hundred dollars if you talk about with all the content comes with so it comes with a ten-dollar google wallet credit yeah yeah that's right you can look like a bozo holding up a 7-inch tablet up to a NFC appliance and make a purchase you know what it's ten bucks don't do it it also cuts on your account though right like you don't know music with this no now it's justified might not know that I was incorrect up earlier this week I powered all my nexus 7 i saw i had ten dollars was it to jing i looked on my phone I doesn't have ten bucks I found out that it's per device only it's not count why do you have ten bucks so go to use it give it gas the way you can't make a Google Wallet account a universal account for all your devices I'm calling up money network come on find out I said I'm betting with the prepaid ten dollars you know that they give you know but because what I do put for me hooked you can put an amount into a year her soul once i have three devices i can put a hundred dollars and it will be available on all those three times but does the devices have different card numbers so you gotta you gotta somehow merge them together maybe i'm now but there are two different numbers it because i guess when and if google adds support for every credit card out there will be a lot better um but right now I guess it's it's the vice down for for prepaid least I mean I would just like such a full holding up my you know a tablet yo that a gas station to the to the pump to try to pay for gas oh you ought to do it yet regale gas well I at McDonald's playing angry birds waiting in line took my order tap go and just moved on got the weirdest looks but it's like using an iPad to take photos you know alright so you get ten bucks right now and everybody knows you get $25 play store credit because people want you to use the delights they're giving you twenty five bucks to go out there and buy more specifically don't you use the device to buy stuff from google now know that $25 is is account-wide so you could actually buy something for your phone but but either way it's $25 of play store credit um so that's thirty-five dollars now if you add the $58 a free content that actually comes in the device remember it comes with the movie Transformers Dark Side of the Moon or dark of the moon our it comes with five magazines comes the book if you're into reading come with I get it comes it yeah I look like a squire officer other food network remember the ball it comes with 20 different songs if you add up the price of everything that's another fifty eight bucks right there so all the freak on now I think this free content that they're giving out is using as a hook and basically the hook is into their ecosystem which is a very wise decision for them to give up free stuff because ultimately it says hey you can use is this money but it will be used in our ecosystem and therefore you will have content and apps and information on our ecosystem it will be harder for you to move it and it will be you know it can t move so I think it was a good wise decision dr. Laurie frito absolutely I mean they're working a very small margin there their goal is to sell more contact yep so the device you can knock almost a hundred dollars off if you add all those up it's $93 that that's pretty awesome you know for 200 or tablet you're talking you know just a look like 100 bucks $107 you know if you don't count tax and shipping or whatever but still it 110 bucks or something uh let's talk about Dan you go first what what do you think of the nexus 7 you got one you can use it for a couple days now well can we stay on like a per specific thanks like the size like we can just think about the size I like the size a lot it's a lot more convenient to hold in a single hand than a 10 inch tablet like the transformer prime so if you're reading or especially if you're laying down or trying to you know like recline or relax it's a lot easier to hold in just one hand okay yeah I will agree with that I have a 10 inch tablet that when I was laying in bed I would change positions constantly yeah I'm holding it up above my head I rested on my chest I put it on its side I wrote I lay on my side trying to find the other perfect way to watch to watch listen use whatever I'm doing and it is it's extremely hard to use you get tired of using it one way or another so you know what with a 7-inch tablet I don't get tired is dan said you can hold a 7-inch tablet the nexus 7 in your hand and it you don't have to sit your swap hands it fits in your hand perfectly and it it's great the size is exactly perfect I love it so how about the weight of the device is the weight too heavy to constantly keep you know holding there or is it you know no notice it very light it's if you've ever had like one of the e ink Kendall's it's much closer to that than any of the other old Android tablets you barely notice it is it too low no I could have this in my head like a note with no issues man they need to make this into a phone roubaix p it can be a fun yeah but I need a headset now I'm gonna hold it to my ear oh yeah maybe that guy actually with a headset of even better yeah you're already that guy uses as a wallet I mean it's been insanely hot and you know where I live lately I so I've just been throwing it you know like cargo short pockets and you know you don't even notice it's there whereas you know with a 10 inch tablet you've got to try to like tuck it under your arm when you're like running out the door to go to work and you're always afraid of dropping it I think the size is just it's really great for for obviously for some tasks it's not appropriate but but for you know just / portability wise it's fantastic so you're saying size does matter i'm here i mean really yes didn't do it it's using the right size device for the right purpose yeah i'm a small going into my dress pants I mean it's portable just go I made a dozen-odd I put them in my khakis today when I I needed to go use it for a reading device in certain rooms of the office no it my pockets yep though the four-factor the seven times for factor is it what is it not ideal for that a 10 inch tablet does better typing I I would destroy whole this thing and type of my two thumbs here just as fast as I can if not faster better than a 10 inch tablet yeah but with a faster on my transformer Prime's keyboard or or or even something you know you or if you put when you put it in landscape mode it's easier to type on but because the screen is so narrow you lose a whole bunch whole bunch of screens a lot easier on a 10 inch in landscape to type on glass if you're typing on glass me I have a transformer prime but I don't always create a keyboard with me and some websites don't render right when it's in portrait mode it's just it's it's too narrow and and then when you put it in landscape mode then you know you just can't see enough of it so for it for some things the 10 inches is a little bit better having an 11 inch laptop I mean I'm in that gap where 10 inches is why bring it i have my laptop 7 inches is right there so it's got its own little niche market yeah definitely it definitely does have that I mean that they said I it's extremely portable and I'm going just just because it's light and it's small in the form factor i think is perfect i'm going to use it so much more than I have my existing tablet I'm not going to have a honeymoon phase where a couple weeks I'm going to you know stop using it I want to use it every day okay so so a big feature of this tablet is the price and for factor and jelly bean so speed wise is it buttery smooth yeah I'll tell you what did you guys use it before you got the 4.11 update connect an hour I turned it on and I start you know immediately saw my play library I swiped left and right that's uh look at lag because mg Siegler put out a big article a few days prior praising the nexus 7 how good it was except for the lag now I was like whatever it doesn't like in a fanboy they love you know but uh I saw like and I was kind of like wow really I'm gonna have to delete these widgets from the home screens because it lacked and then you know five minutes later I get the 4.11 off date and then boom no lie so the preview version that came with no one was given a vaio just 4.1 there was left 4.11 boom no performance issues whatsoever it's amazing now did you attach your google account to it when you ordered it i did not however it did say welcome Derek when I first turned it on he probably did it was automatically checked okay so if you didn't uncheck it than yesterday I did not uncheck anything I I ordered that thing before the link was live order quick like I first turn it on it was really slow for about the first mm probably about 15 minutes well it was downloading all of my all of my gmail account all of my 800 plus contacts all of my google plus my google books yeah it's always slow on any device oh yeah so the first 15 to 25 minutes were chugging slow and then it finally finished syncing everything and then I applied the update it's been buttery smooth since then it's I mean it's obviously has a whore's then my my galaxy nexus does but it is so fast it really I haven't seen any issues but it's interesting to compare it to the Asus Transformer Prime which has a higher end Tegra 3 I mean there's there's different models in the Tegra 3 and the one in the the seven is a little bit lower end model but with jellybean it's much more responsive than the Prime now that the Prime has always seemed a little slow for some things well the Tegra 3 Carl this in the prime is kind of part of the problem yeah it's just a 26 out of date Colonel it's it's point 6.39 which is a weird version to be using in the first place and current for linux is 3.4 lay back boarding a lot of step and in with ICS android supposed default was three point x so like it's always been a little bit hamstrung by that whereas the the Nexus 7 is on a three point one point I don't remember what Carly 10 I think three points a lot of the Tegra based ICS devices got stuck on a 26 kernel for yep whatever reason but a lot of things you know it released three point 0 source and nobody other than nvidia had the skills to and it looks like they finally have that worked out now with with the seven so I'm hoping that yeah oh yeah yeah okay Prime and this is a woman wit not transition to others so Google is assuming that people are going to use this as a contents of consumption device um now content on the Nexus 7 is a good house video playback is audio quality good audios nice audios nice I hear what my galaxy nexus oh that's different story it onions it is a lot hotter than the Galaxy Nexus it's pretty loud I mean for turkey term use a tiny little speaker strip yeah I'm I mean it'll fill a room you turn a video up it's loud I I did yeah I like it and the screens gorgeous oh yeah it's that the IPS display it's got great viewing angles the colors are great it's it's it's hands-down the best display on a tablet that I have right now and I've got half a dozen tablets right now so the free movie that you guys have played without a hiccup it was yeah watch much ruby mine it was on I have a dream you know 720p or 1080p content from YouTube with no problems no drop frames no hiccupping yeah it's very nice I'm come I guess I got completely content with the conflict um now some people were complaining about because we're talking about the screen here some people are talking about what a little bit of imaging you know bleeding over and so forth I haven't seen any that I've actually tested it I I don't see any image bleeding over or anything like that huh I also don't see any lightly which is impressive because that's usually one of the downsides with IPS I've seen a little bit of ghosting here and there but nothing major although I did have one strange screen related issue where last night and early this morning it wouldn't turn on but it seemed to was it was quite as soon as I called the google number the screen came on it was almost like Google knew what I was doing that might not be a strain issue that might be cool now yeah I think that would yeah I think there was something else but it was you know you're hitting their mash on the power button and Bo nothing about people now so on a cap on the Nexus 7 tablet is only Wi-Fi only it so you're using google now when you're at home here at work coffee shop in a restaurant hotel whatever meal anywhere you have a hotspot or mobile hotspot for kettering your phone so is google now as useful i say yes now I haven't I haven't used it on the Nexus 7 at all yet I've used it a little bit but I find that like I'll leave my house or my work and get to wherever I'm going and I'll glance at it and i'll have like eight cards of random traffic to random places that i've been over the last like six months yeah well I don't experience with people now is the man yes yeah so anything you've ever checked into on latitude or any place you've been for extended period of time that law 10 example my parents house it gives me a hit directions to my parents house now obviously I've never checked in there just have gps location yeah I mean I don't have to give you a traffic information to it I mean like I get random traffic information to ikea i'm not going to ikea yeah i know interested anything at ikea at the moment I had a very misinformation it's just taking up my time to dismiss it yeah I had a very similar experience i was in new york city over the weekend and i've got jelly bean on my Nexus and was checking into you coffee shops or whatnot and then you know two days later it was saying oh yeah that random coffee shop you were I to the east village on Friday do you want do you want to go there again here's your subway directions here no no I'm a hundred and sixty blocks away from that why are you trying to get me to go way downtown now no yeah I was not found google now terribly useful it's I was really psyched about it early on but at least initially I think that the learning phase is a bit too high I was hoping that if I actually took it with me on on vacation that it could start suggesting things but but you know it wouldn't suggest restaurants in the neighborhood where I was it would suggest things you know on the completely other side of the city it did that GPS you did did it have oh yeah it knew where it was I mean I was outside I had clear view of the sky but it well look let's uh we talked about you know all the benefits of stock you know nexus 7 jelly bean stock now a little touchy subject is routing and robbing your your brand new device you know I I personally I'm going to hold off as long as possible to root my tablet because I don't know of any benefits now to do it I mean I'm a hardcore ruder Rama flasher crack flashing whatever mean I last night I wiped my galaxy nexus 4 different time to put on four different rom so yeah I I do this you know practically for a living I've been reading phones you might know for 10 tablets every single Android device I've ever owned I've done that too so why am i different this time well i think android has reached a point in its you i worked extremely polished that you don't need to do it for speed or enhancements but also I can't think of any reasons why I needed on a tablet that is basically based on content consumption it's all streams in the cloud I just I don't have any apps and I need root access for on this tablet how about you guys I haven't rooted mine yet I haven't even unlocked it yet actually but there are a couple of things that i think i would like to be able to change well I can't change without root for example I'd like to have the battery percentage reported in the notification bar I can't change it from a battery icon now most ABS install a widget that now now remember be and that's coming from a phone where phones you know last day with this thing is supposed to have 10 hours of screen on time so are you that really that concerned about battery life on something that's the last this long anything I'd like to know what it's at yeah okay i unlock my bootloader that was the first thing i did the first thing out of the box but i haven't rooted it i haven't installed clock work on it yet i did that just so i can later if I need to get out wiping yeah I mean maybe if I needed to you know run you know titanium backup or something on it at some point it's nice to do it's nice to have the flexibility but super user yeah I mean realistically I when if I do unlock it and boot it I'll probably do it to sort of accomplish a few specific things that I want to change and then never really think about it again use root for really much of anything I guess I mean I didn't even lock my healer with my galaxy nexus I before I even turn it on i plugged it into a USB cable went into the bootloader fastboot OEM unlock his very first time and booted off and booted up on lock you know rooted like it that's just what I did but I I don't see every I mean I don't see your reasons to do it yet and yes maybe if comes down the road cm10 comes out with some God feature you know but oh my god I need to have that done you no idea maybe I should have mocked and I'm gonna wipe all my stuff but you know what who cares I everything i'm going to use this look for is located in the cloud I don't gain I'm not gonna lose in level 97 of angry birds or you know I only play dead trigger a couple times because it's cool to try it out you know maybe one that that tour game comes out but yeah but I just don't gain that much anyone so that's not it okay I don't store anything on the tablet so if it comes off but for now I'm not reading it I'm gonna go as long as humanly possible to not to not read it I don't see a benefit yet yet yes but on the off chance you did find a benefit I mean it was better to unlock the bootloader coming out of the box just in case why go through the hassle free putting everything back on their weight and personnel old back it all up download it all for you and restore most of the settings yeah but you gotta wait at the gas content exactly so what I'm gonna have to sign into what what you know got to sign into a nap on inside don't I use this thing to browse the web I use it to read you know content from your current use Google+ um definitely watch movies feel you up I don't have any real type of app dated you see maybe my case is different because of what i use the tablet for at least right now you know don't get me wrong on my phone I have you know five or six you know we only acts you know but I don't know if I'm gonna need that type of functionality yet it's also perspective thing right like like you said you're flashing roms all the time and I you know do the same thing pretty frequently and so the idea of losing all of my data and installing everything all over again just isn't oh yeah I last night I guess oh my god Nexus I thought I had everything working on the Rome I was running the one I was testing found out it wasn't wide already reinstalling all my hat damn it simple wipe it reloaded try different wrong my everything was working the way I wanted to note wasn't went back the one that I was currently running and he said I wipe data three or four times yeah then phase me I'm so used to doing it it's not a big deal to lose and redo though so Scott how about you if you had the Nexus look what would you do I leave a completely stock and and that's what I would do and I gave my perspective on having a stock device a couple weeks ago and I'm gonna stick to it and it just kind of gives me a better perspective of what the average user can and can't do with their phone or tablet and it gives me a better perspective of how light can communicate what Android offers as opposed to oh hey you got this wrong and it completely changes everything how it looks then when they get their device you can't say well yours won't have this here's one of this you have to do this and this and this and it complicates everything and I can understand how they would be like whoa that's way too much I you got to walk me through this and I don't want to walk them through it so um like stock is just a better perspective on funny it's going to be hard trust me the first time I see some type of you know new functionality some root someone wrong has out there like I guarantee you and see them ten you know comes out and this is just a guess I could be completely wrong you know but when you flick up for google now there's other icons located there enough for different things or for some feature on even know about yet that comes out for it and I'm just like wow you know I never go to kiddie candy store and get everything I'm telling you right now I said the same thing when I got see Nexus when I got it because however I did to unlock and read it right away I didn't go custom rom a month because I came from a world from me you I wear every week I was flashing a new update a lot of times I was wiping and I wanted to be completely stopped completely stable for as long as possible so I convinced myself to only be running his route for a month the very first month of my godson nexus is life and low mijo came january fifteenth my buddy showed me the wrong he was running how's it yet i need all those features done do it went home and did that night so get a couple leaves no one of you guys hold up your tablet and show me what it's doing i'm doing it but damn it I'm not doing it I choked it's just a matter of time but I'm going to twist my own arm to stay stock and experience it the way that Google intended it for now one of the popular route only tweaks is changing the DPI dropping it from the 213 that it sat down to 160 gives you like the full 10 inch tablet interface I I don't hate the phone UI I don't hate it either I'm not sure that that necessarily means one isn't better than the other I mean I'm surprised that i like it i dislike that it doesn't have a landscape launcher that's really well you see i mean you can cheat you know you can change it there's a software button to make acne landscape apps yes the home screen is never landscape so breaking news what I'd like to give us update on what's new in the app John you got tablet support new feature events with party mode visual refresh and improved navigation improved circle management and bug fixes circle management yeah okay I'm going to check it out later but sorry about that does breaking news i'm sure all you can go download that while we're talking about I think it's been really interesting to look at how developers both native app developers and web developers are trying to they're all trying to figure out what do we do with this 7-inch tablet if it's small tablet is it a big phone is it something else because you know it's so many people have been caught up in this binary thinking of either you know a phone or a tablet and tablets or 10 inches because that's kind of what you know apples product line looks like and that kind of dominates PS thinking and you know I like what Google did with with the UI where they took some aspects of the phone UI and some aspects with their tablet UI and they made something that works right for this size it's you know I've actually had a bunch of apps that I can't install on this yeah I've actually like trying to find a twitter app that i could had stalls actually I you know kind of a pain it's like i normally use Boyd Boyd would install tweet Lance Woodman so I had to go back to seesmic why wouldn't install here there are some things if that would only apps yeah markets are not compatible yep like Bank of America's tablet app won't install but Bank m ahrens bone app will install yeah which is annoying because the tablet app is fantastic in the phone app is kind of crappy HBO Go won't install like if you go to the new york new york times website on the on the seven you get the desktop version but if you go to Twitter's website you get the phone version it's just you know kind of amusing to see how they're you know doing their user agent sniffing and what kind of branching they're doing ultimately I think we need to stop thinking about things in terms of phone versus tablet and you know making assumptions about screen sizes but it's like I just put so that I at dinner I I you put something out on google+ looking so there's a new firefox beta al for android that finally brings tablet support in it so I am I wonder what they're going to do on the seven it's the phone version it which I just think it's hysterical that you know this thing is unambiguously a tablet but they're using the phone UI on it and and I'm not saying that that's right or wrong I just think it's you know interesting and I what I don't know if they did it intentionally or if they're if it's just some sort of you know glitch in their you know device detection code but it's not the interesting area to watch for the next couple weeks as things shake out yeah these things get more and more popular developers will start embracing the different form factor I seen you before we haven't seen a whole lot of you know use in this space and we had to Kindle Fire you had the galaxy tab the original one the galaxy tab 7.0 plus which still has honeycomb but Allah Oh others you know so yeah we'll start to see I think different differences coming in the very near future I think it'll be a good thing for a lot of bigger screen phones to me most most big phones are still stuck in the four-by-four home screen sort of paradigm that this device even though it's set up more looking like a phone breaks I think it's it's set up to be more than four by four yeah you're right it is it's it which is something no I got a note I pretty boy yeah like the Galaxy Note being for icons by four icons as a joke I don't want an icon taking up that much of that big of a screen was just an EVO doesn't the ipad you know with their 20,000 by whatever God number that is do that is not what we're supposed to be doing let's stop at the ipad you get more was it five icons now I here oh my god I phone I got on there using yeah it'sit's numerically it's more icons but even on their retina display ipad it's they just scaled up the pixel cam yeah there's totally wasting it on toast bad yep okay oh do we have any questions here about the nexus 7 or anything else we talked about here I know we had people talk we had a few users talking about did the Nicholas Pike said that his screen was lifting up on his nexus 7 that he got actually today and they they ordered from google so he said he's looking to look for a replacement so yeah once again if you do have that issue me Google's going to back their problem they're good companies to go ahead and go ahead and give them a call and try to get that replaced I me a little bit of type of three questions to take its technical trick question post take her two questions tiger three questions so so yeah actually real quick so sedan as a developer would you develop oil Tegra 3 i've had a transformer prime since january i still haven't touched the colonel llama okay well there you have it doesn't want any doesn't want the headache it sounds like this is so do I share linus torvalds sentiments towards nvidia then uh no i mean you know the colonel is fully open sourced and in ways that some call comms code is not which I like but the the Tegra line just test minutes it had a lot of issues nvidia is very much the late comer to this game and they're playing catch-up and the Tegra 2 is not stellar I mean it was who they were the first dual core market but they weren't outperforming single core chips that were on the market at the time so it wasn't particularly impressive the tanker 3 is leaps and bounds better than the tiger too but it has had some significant glitches in it I mean they're from the HTC One X the international one the transformers that have it all of them just had a lot of a lot of stuttering I like a lot of little issues and I'm hoping that a real three point X Colonel will help clean up that ok all right well thank you Dan I appreciate the insights from developer and thank you again for joining us this week there's more thank you for joining us and John thank you for getting here exactly at the right time so talk about the nexus 7 we appreciate you stopping by sony google TV unboxing tomorrow just so much guys now oh nice the sony yeah are you getting the vizio to now and just let everybody know our viewers off you can't make a make our show every week typically we're on Fridays we had a little bit of a thing that we couldn't make it on friday so we did it today tonight and you can find us on youtube you can subscribe to our youtube channel andhra thority we're also on soundcloud stitcher radio itunes google listen an RSS feed if you want to know more information every week after the show we post it to android authority calm and you can also look at our RSS feed android 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