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welcome to android authority on air the original android hangout show on google+ I'm Derek Ross and I'm Scott Anderson this week we're joined by favorite special returning guest dan Charlton of team at kernels welcome Dan nice to be here thank you so Scott little guy on the agenda this week we're going to be talking about verizon to start out we're also me going over some device news a little bit of rumors and some updates including HTC's new 5-inch phone also we're going over some ICS and jelly bean updates over-the-air updates we're also going to be doing some routine ramen cm9 cm10 and over there updates and then we're going to be going on talking about samsung first apple kind of in their patent war right now just give us more information about that and then also we're going to be talking about samsung's cortex a15 and the x5 dual and then we are also going to be talking about a smartphone drag race that was on YouTube and yeah I have no smartphones could actually race with apparently they can write yeah that they can oh and I forgot we're gonna be talking about jelly bean app encryption that Google kind of put on hold due to some issues but we'll get little more to detail about that in a little bit all right so a little bit of carrier news here verizon this week let the world know that they can continue to charge you money if you continue to use more data than their current plans uh basically basically that's what it boils down to um you know they have five tiered data plans available further share everything plan you know fifty bucks for a gig 64 2 and so forth all the way up to a hundred dollars for 10 gig a month then they decide to let everybody know oh wait there's more so for 412 gig you can pay 110 dollars for 14 gig 120 16 gig 130 1840 and last but not least if you want to use 20 gig data a month yep you're going to be paying out one hundred and fifty dollars so not a whole lot of news but they're going to charge you for it anyway so now they actually officially have these plans available for you with a shared everything plan so it's not that I guess uh no um 20 gig for 150 versus half that was costing you 100 for 410 so yeah you're saving money the more data you use that's good to know and you know you're not not get enough nickel and dimed outside murder you I personally think they should start off the tier with 54 two gigs and then 64 for and then 70 first six baby fawn you know since everybody's using data obviously no I those of you that aren't grandfathered in you know but they're giving you unlimited calls and texts you know those things you don't use anymore oh you mean the texts that we use over data apps right yeah yeah yeah that's the biggest thing about these shared data plans that that I hate is that they bake you in by saying look you have unlimited calling and unlimited text you know what I do two minutes of calling a day and it's hey honey i'm here at work hey honey i'm leaving work I don't do any text messaging that not often if someone you know most people send me a gtalk message you know which is data so you know everyone's not gonna text books maybe i used google voice for my texting so it's all don't know stay here so but you know what they're gonna give that to you for free and charge you because they want us to use data because they're making a killing off of data and it's going to be ever more so in the future if they realize that it's just data and that's what's you know attacking their network so they say and that's what they're going to charge people for so I mean they say that but you also look at verizon that is actively pushing people off of its own dsl services to try and replace their like main line like main internet service with LTE at these prices they can't do it at these prices now the speed is good but the yeah the speeds great especially compared to dsl but like three we hustled internet connection 20 it's a month for a hundred and fifty dollars are you what I think we're gonna really see a big change shifted parodying here is in a year and a half when voice over LTE is more than or and you do away with uh your calling and texting plans yeah everything goes over data so you're gonna you know you don't have 100 minutes a month or two hundred minutes you know whatever there's no more minute plans it's here's this chunk of data use it however the hell you want you know already just about it or whatever that if you use the other plans offered to do it but if you have a voice over IP so some setup yeah pretty much already do that the problem isn't it you can't do voice over LTE the problem is that you can't handoff voiceover data on on LTE to voiceover cdma you're actually running the voice over IP and just shuffling that across LTE network is not a challenge well it looks for let's briefly talk about that i didn't put in the agenda because as everybody knows why maybe not everybody's a lot of people know i was on vacation to past me so i'm trying to piece together the show here what's popular what's not popular to talk about one of the things i remember reading in the news earlier in the week was that that metropcs is the first carrier in the US to roll out voice over LTE i don't know where it's starting i don't remember all the specifics from the the the article that i read but if it is coming it is happening in a tiny little carrier like you know compared to the big guys you know it is starting to the first to do it so I mean the industry's going that way and we're starting to see it already so let's so let's talk about another carrier here real quick in the US Sprint is doing something neat there they're giving the needle AAA free tablet if you buy a new smartphone and they're giving away the ZTE optic which is a 3g tablet 7 inch screen it has a 1280 by 800 display 1.2 gigahertz dual-core processor i believe the the processors it's an s3 so it's a little order it's not a newer s4 processor has a gig of ram 16 gig storage 5 megapixel rear camera 2 megapixel front camera and it comes with Android welcome so you know it's not the greatest tap let on the planet but it's a free tablet so what what select phones do is this if you buy any smartphone is it if you buy it with a contract kind of three years and not to now it's a it's a new smartphone purchase I I'm not a hundred percent sure on the contract other out uh assume you'd have to have a contract yeah you know I was or how much I think were to buy this tablet off-contract how much would do you think it would cost probably not a whole lot like two three pilot or three hundred dollars yeah minute city which I don't get as a negative i just made me make very inexpensive products yeah um but I mean this is kind of nice I mean initially sprint was offering it for a hundred bucks up with a two-year contract oh yeah the two-year contract you got ad in although yeah there's probably the the you had to pick up the contract on the tablet for if you're getting it for free yeah yeah remember this is a 3g tab and they want you to use date or they want you to pay a monthly fee on it so yeah it's not quite free yeah I mean it's a sorry I for work yeah it's pretty hardware and we're gonna make you pay a monthly fee on it so but it's a the type of one so six months old so I mean it it's a free tap I don't want it six months old yeah make a pretty old okay now februari I find it even less impressive thinking about where it should have been six months ago I'll tell you what if you don't want a free tablet don't don't get a new smartphone and don't tell them no good as new smartphone just don't take the tablet you know um or if you want you want you know me so it has honey come on up yeah it's all right you know I see ICS has been out for nine months now jellybeans been out for a month um but don't worry the developers you're back you can get cm9 on it or cm10 both about everything working except for camera and bluetooth so you know I'm sure those will get worked out the near future but there is this there is a deaf community before and it's not a huge deaf community but there is one for it so I'd get it and I'd cancel the data right away probably an ETF for that hey the early termination fee right well it's actually working knowledge for the tablet though fileom to pin you know $175 $200 termination fees so now you're getting a tablet for 200 bucks if your S Pen 200 bucks I know perfect tablet you can get to our boat what is that which was that that is that you can find it it's at my said 325 mine sent three to five shipping days and it has been so not this last Thursday but a week before that unpaid I ordered it so this guy right here clothes on hey get it the oven have you met that one here oh oh that's the one to you look Scott next hangout next show if you're not holding up a nexus 7 here there's gonna be health care well it'll be on google's fault because i only three to five days all right I and doesn't just PSP connect was going to do a quick little tan to hear those of you that have been following us for a while might know that Scott does not root and rom his devices however pre-show during a brief chat about reading and roaming Scott said he might dive into the nexus 7 routing and in roaming he might run his first ever custom rom on on his first ever android device starting with the Nexus 7 I don't want you to do it alone Nexus 7 because I personally feel you need to do it but hey people get if it'll get me into room and ramen and not deal with carrier stuff then yeah it was must be the devices since we're talking about some devices let's let's talk about a couple a couple devices he had hit the hit the market or rumored or you know cemetery she popped out about the past week um the HTC endeavor c2 also known as HTC's rumored 5-inch phone / tablet tablet whatever people are calling these days so apparently i'm guessing the endeavor c2 is more of an internal code name I you know I think I think that'll be changed most likely when it gets released but uh the current rumors put it at a 5-inch display a 1.7 gigahertz quad-core tegra 3 plus that's a that's pretty beefy 1.7 gigahertz especially because I don't know many devices out there that have that and an October first rumored launch date so we'll follow that over the next two months here and see what happens see if it actually comes to fruition the Sony Xperia GX got unboxed in Japan no it's a on Japan's NTT DoCoMo carrier for nine hundred and sixty bucks about US dollars um that's not on contract that's that's an expensive that's a thousand-dollar phone that's so for your thousand-dollar film what you get um you can android 4.4 nobody like me and you know what doesn't elevate four thousand dollars i I don't you know it would be like at the latest and greatest you get last year's stuff yeah you know what song he's been submitting the code to Android's open source project em on the upgrading thing has it they'll be updated soon they have to so it has a 4.5 a 4.5 5-inch HD display I give your ram 16 gig onboard storage microSD slot 13 megapixel rear camera and a 1.3 front shooter so no not not too out of the ordinary there but 4,000 boxset that's a new flagship phone up I would have expected a little bit more than that so that's all bad things it does have a Mitchell and it does have NFC so there and I've seen there you go and the back that's definitely a top end phone that that does seem a little pricey though yeah the like an unlock samsung galaxy s3 the international one goes for I want to say around 650 or 700 so you're wise to watch yeah I don't know that's that seems very high for an unlocked phone yeah I'm assuming that's the unlocked price I really hope that's not the on contract price that's yeah we have the card that you were to have grand on topic yeah all right so uh next device to give us some info this past week and the HTC One X is getting four point oh four sense 4.1 started rolling out in the EU improve system performance camera smoother animation and it comes with a free copy of dead space so there you go more free bloatware not bad the coolest thing in my opinion about this is it the menu bar that was plaguing sense for has been resolved to no longer our sense for users gonna have our the meander the Phantom menu button chillin up on the bottom for certain apps that shouldn't be there in the first place so that that's very good so those of you that own the HTC One X you can look forward to getting at in the near future you don't have it already and is your menu are we fixed the solution is still not the most elegant but realistically the problem I mean HTC is kind of getting cold for it but it's really not their fault problem is people like the facebook and twitter app developers not bothering to follow guidelines on how they're supposed to be building apps for ice cream sandwich and jellybean yeah yeah but you know what and then whose fault is that has that issued to its i would have to say it's on those companies about the guidelines they make it very clear they have like weekly on their developer blogs like weekly videos and like yeah almost but you may enforce it you can make themselves pretty well yeah but I they might need to do more enforcing in order to actually get them to do it all right all right so uh the samsung galaxy s3 is a hit in blue and in white there's a possible leak possible rumor that a black version is coming so if you didn't like the white one didn't like blue one or didn't get it yet soon you might be able to get a black there's a red one too there is a you are right the red one there's a red one only 418 t yep which is really nice I like the red one my friend is gonna get the red one well that's good squad that's gonna happy for your friends I am I he had a 1x but then he decided to know if we sold out what nothing I didn't say anything alright so the International uh galaxy s3 speaking of a galaxy s3 is uh getting an over-the-air update it is not jelly bean so shocking get your tour is not it pitchforks ready but it does include a new radio baseband that supposedly fixes a battery drain issue so congrats on better battery life to those of you that on the international sgs3 um the Photon Q is a rumor it's coming out in the 19th here in a few more days the atrix HD LTE was supposed to launch a little over a week ago on the second Bell says that it's coming on the 14th so phone is an epic fail it should be here in there are two days whoa-ah we'll see that you think think the atrix HD is going to be an epic fail yeah there's some interesting software stuff by motorola go um but as a phone it yeah some interesting things um with widgets I'll tell you what what is with manufacturers needs to continue cramming more acronyms at the end of their device name you know I love it not for DHT okay let's talk about the transformer pad tf300t l II yeah this is getting out of hand hey so the yeah so you did I wasn't making fun the the Pad 300 is getting an LTE variant we weren't just left foot just laughing at it it uh it is getting a LT varying it's gonna start in august sometime this month in germany and austria so good that'll be nice yeah in huye the popular yet to be popular but I guess it's cocking already right Oh raised eight point six million dollars that's it I feeler you use Kickstarter program officially ended this week so if you didn't get in on the pre-order through Kickstarter you still can I guess my cost you an extra ten bucks but hey it's it's 110 dollar gaming system um and you know what I realize in like nine months yeah so you're gonna have to wait till the city wait seven months i believe for you in it so that that's a long ways away but you know what there's sixty three thousand people that backed it on kickstarter and you gotta remember not it the average person on the street that plays games has no clue what the help kickstarter is you know what kickstarter is for people that are you know pretty much if you're watching this right now or listening to this right now there's a chance that you might know what kickstarter is where I've heard it before but outside of that you know your your your husband's your wives your grandmother's your grandfather's aunts and uncles there's a chance that they have no idea what Kickstarter is so to get 63,000 orders already that's that's pretty much that's pretty amazing I think and then we wanted to raise what nine hundred and fifty thousand dollars which I don't know what they could have done with that amount of money I mean if they're truly wanted to make this thing you know well I need but then maybe the production run was it's going to cost XYZ for a production run and these are your costs and so forth the production and manufacturing so this is the amount of money they want and then it is that they had smaller numbers in insight um not the type of reaction what they got well yeah they got it six million dollars that's insane but anyways if you uh you can still check out who yeah and get it for 109 bucks you can still pre-order and then you'll get it seven months or so but there's other things happening was that's ridiculous oh yeah but how is this device not going to be woefully outdated by the time I only comes out you know i'm honestly hoping that over the next month or two as they're getting the gun will say kinks worked out of the system who knows they're there and they're gonna realize that you know we do a processor upgrade or upgrade memory or do something and threw something at it because by the time this thing comes out as you said in seven months is a long time in the tech world you know a long time so it's going to be it's going to be outdated when it comes out so i hope they they use this the extra funds that they generated to that allows them to lower manufacturing costs by doing more ball quarters and allows them to upgrade the hardware a little bit that would be very nice or make the hardware easily upgradable that could be also an interesting and then it would be harder i could replace an arm cpu yeah it could maybe it's going to be like dropping another know maybe maybe it'd be cool soldering kit in the mail yeah there you go oh not it that's not gonna work oh let's talk about some ICS and jelly bean updates official update some so HTC Thunderbolt and desire s owners you were not forgotten dude the Thunderbolt they've been talking about this for years since roughly november of last year yeah yeah so they've been thought up for a while um but wait it's right when ICS came out okay but HTC said on facebook it's coming soon so they haven't forgotten about it it may happen mean august is a long month it's like doing in HTC's terms is very relative time so much like their kernel source comes out soon after device release really which I mean several logs down the road when they get yelled at enough to finally bother releasing it I got I gotta learn to remember let you finish your rant parts are talking about something I I need to let I need the way as a way to say he yes yes something hateful we want to say about this all right so so uh the motorola razr is getting ICS in the UK and Nordic countries you may have already have it if you're in those parts of your so if you don't have it start spamming your update button now we were the dumb phone razor we're talking about that old school flip phone are we talking about now we could be talking with a new one although done if the old school of flip phone is getting ice is gone premium arrest my razor that would be awesome my razor from six years ago is getting yes you know a big pool laughs in the face to all the Thunderbolts of the world that still don't have ICS my flip phone I fears before yours next one you have anything mean to say about this Oh see now you just open it up to allow it just kind of scared alright so to vodafone in australia kept with their their plans and jelly bean started rolling out this week to the nexus s once again if you don't have a jelly bean on your Nexus S and Vodafone is your provider start spamming that system update button and enjoy jelly bean damn ok ok alright so so let's talk a little bit about routing in ramen is uh mentioned earlier um a new app came out this week an over-the-air update center that allows any developer any wrong developer to to use it to update their apps the the app will add and remove over-the-air updates from a centralized database it'll check for updates on device boot it will manually install an app it from if someone runs are none Apple manually install a rom if you manually check for it it'll download the rom and flash it directly or you can manually do all that and it'll you can tell it to wipe data you can tell to what cash now it before flashing yada yada yada also known as the same things that do manager and raw manager can do um I personally don't understand all the rage that is going on how this is amazing that this is out there because this functionality already exists in view manager and rom manager but it's good to have another provider another developer doing this it just means though you know it's good for the community somebody might come out the feature that somebody else doesn't have and you know at the it's good for open source it's good for the community so it's nice to have another choice out there do what since Scott since you don't do any routing I can't ask you this question but dan did you run gu manager or raw manager and get updates that way in the past you know i'm i have gotten the updates but i'm usually just find them annoying because I look if I'm looking to update my rom I'm gonna go and I'm gonna do that I don't want something number five minutes to tell me that I need to do this yeah yeah I understand I remember back on when you and I were big into be y know we had a system update that didn't need you know new manager and wrong manager to tell us an updated it was using me you I zone system update it went out to me why not us and told us there was an update and it downloaded and flashed it and it all so this is all but this type of technology has been around for a while it's yeah it's nothing groundbreaking but it's nice to have another option out there and it's nice to have it easy for those people that just want to run a custom rom and they aren't all about you know going in and man you know where do I go to get an update and so forth now it'll take care of it for you so it's nice those apps exist so another big thing to hit the routing enrollment seen this week well I was laying on the beach was cm9 hit hits table so cm9 now is available for over 50 devices phones and tablets and a lot of people are saying so why release a stable version of cm9 when cm10 has been you know preview released alpha release whatever tons and tons of devices development for cm10 is heavily underway why still released a stable cm9 well that's you know to complete their goal you know these guys do this for free they do this because they love to do it so yeah it's nice to have goals and it's nice to say you completed a goal but besides you know personal gratification think about all the phones that are going to run a buggy version of cm10 jellybean for a while you know some devices are easier to port to jellybean than others so it's nice to have a stable rom to fell back on if you can't run a buggy version of jelly bean on your i don't know no note your galaxy note you know if it's even available for that just as an example maybe something doesn't work just right in and maybe bluetooth doesn't work or something you know so you need bluetooth so now you have a stable bill to fall back on so it's not so I'm glad that CM completed their goal if it shows a little bit that their goal minded which is good they didn't just give up and move on to bigger and better things so so speaking of cm10 and jelly bean I never owned an HTC dream or the HTC g1 anymore to want to call it the g1 was the first commercially available android phone came back came out in 2008 and it's nice to know or neat to know that it is running jellybean right now there's a small development community around it still and one of the developers was able to get cm10 running lon now that doesn't mean it's ready for a daily driver that doesn't mean that it's not laggy it doesn't mean it's not slow but as a concept to mean cm10 jelly bean is running on a four year old phone right now so that that's cool so if you have your old tank the thing that just won't die your original android phone just for just for laughs you can go ahead and put cm10 on it let me know how let me know what you think then last but not least for routing and roaming let's talk about Google now for ICS Google now is available for every ICS AOSP build wrong all you need to do is install a couple apks flash zip file and you're good to go now Google now was available for a while but you know voice wasn't working well now voices is fully working it it's it's not using obviously it's not using the jelly bean speech engine because you know near on ICS but Google now is working with cards showing up and from inside google now you can hit the microphone button and do a voice search and it'll use the ICS speech-to-text engine to transcribe what you're saying and talk back to you and the results so it is full Google now plus search avoid search and voice to text so this is using the same engine as the ICS version so you don't get the offline support her oh yeah crap the flash files that I saw it had the offline database built into it or your option of I did not know that because that would be something that you know a feature that would be worth noting if you did have the offline capabilities even know I saw they had a couple of different sort of developmental versions and each one is released as a with offline support or without offline support there are six different versions if I remember correctly yeah yeah so some of them you know have nearly everything working but one thing is bugging everything I am then the next guy has that bug fix but some other thing I broke another process yeah for example you might have two cards show up for weather instead of one you know but the the latest APK that I was reading about just before the show has nearly everything fixed as nursing new cards voice text to text works notifications work so it looks like they might have just got everything figured out everything fixed but it is fully working if you're running on AOSP rom so if you're running cm9 feel free to flash it and you have people now and voice search capability like those of us with jellybean have cool moving on Scott you had mentioned earlier that Google was forced to temporarily disable the new jelly bean feature for copyright protection on Android apps also known as Darren also knows yes it's anti-piracy you know the yeah the new security feature was to make it harder to pirate apps we're just good I'm all for that I really yeah well it had to be disabled um because some purchase apps not all some this looks like some live wallpapers and some older apps weren't working correctly anymore and the reasoning for that if paid apps aren't installed in the standard app partition yes my are currently it's my new system they're not yes yeah on the new system the other not installed and / data / app they were installing to a encrypted directory which is located / mount / a sec in the new way in the new way yeah okay yeah so the old way is / data / app for paid apps and the new way where's my age but as for paid apps so apps were designed to go into a certain partition CERN directory and they were they were causing problem not all apps were able to run from that location without causing issues what was happening is but basically they couldn't find their data so a user would reboot their phone and then have they lose all for setting to have to go back in or reconfigure the app because they didn't wear their data was so like a paid launcher for example yeah every time you reboot your phone it's just like you download it again bro okay yeah it wasn't widespread not all apps had that issue but well no because the problem isn't really so much the Google did something wrong as it is the pd app developers aren't following google directions which is kind of google's fault because this is a pretty significant change and there are a lot of paid apps out there so you can't really just kind of make that drastic of a change without there's a little building consider you try to program that yeah there's a lot of apps that are old that if you have been there for a very long time yeah I'll get updated but anyways it's good to know that a bug report was filed with Google they're aware of it and they temporarily disabled recopy protection for for apps I wonder when they're gonna bring it back on once I figure out a workaround yeah I wonder how long that's gonna be oh yeah I guess part of the problem was the way that the partition was mounted and dismounted off on starting up and shut down so maybe moving it higher than opera Robin I don't secure cash for it okay right like they did they write the things just into this sort of generic cash which gets flushed on a device reboot because that's the more secure thing to do but they can't then dump that to slash data because they're not under right to slash data because that's not where they're installed ya know they need to basically had a secure and reboot surviving cash for that alright so let's uh let's talk about some patent wars over the past week one of the neatest things in and in my opinion that is Android related besides just general litigation fighting that we were able to find out is we actually got well we got to see actual samsung and iphone sales numbers which she find out that obviously apple sells a lot of devices and some sells a lot of devices only talk about those numbers right now but they sell a lot and you know they make a lot of money on but one of the neat things that we learned was two years ago back in 2010 Apple offered Samsung thirty dollars per phone and forty dollars per tablet as for royalty fees for licensing and that's pretty expensive when you look at it when you look at a foam that might cost you know an unsubsidized phone maybe cost him you know 400 bucks or something they wanted for thirty bucks per phone that's crazy so obviously samsung said no then that's weather and uh that's why their litigation right now but are also already paying niven is really sure probably somewhere between five and twenty five dollars per phone to microsoft yeah yeah which you know microsoft hasn't been able to fully come out and say which patents android is violating but they believe that you're violating some so well i mean that's that's the thing with patents is that you don't actually have to be violating them you just have to sort of have the clout to get people to sign an agreement thinking that you do have it that is you know um anything else about patent wars come out that sparking interest this week no you guys haven't been all this because the if you guys haven't been following it it's actually pretty interesting the back and the fourth and how they deal with it now what they're using to either prove or disprove some of the accusations is rather interesting i've been following it so it's it's been a good read and hopefully Andrew it comes out on top it's not an Angela issue it's definitely getting portrayed as that but it's not the issues that are at play here just aren't sweeping android problems it's display stuff fits and it's all about Samsung in particulars design choices and whether or not their designs are too similar to Apple's designs it's not that Android looks too much like Apple it's that samsung's version of Android looks too much like Apple yo so before we move on to the drag race here it's the quick skim over see if we ask it over see if we have any questions here so apparently Motorola's saying the Bionic is getting ICS in the early q3 well uh yeah well none not too many carriers stretch the motorolas ever her manufacturers are ever accurate when devices are getting updates as the woody if you have a bionic I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you yeah take everything that they say with a grain of salt let's talk about a drag race so you know we've seen you know samsung galaxy s3 vs. the iphone 4s being used as hammers being used as all sorts of you know thrown got been thrown down stairs been dropped from a few feet see which one's balance which one's break and everything so we've seen all sorts of drop tests and brake tests and it comes out that the galaxy s3 with its Gorilla Glass is extremely adorable it's just you know it holds up at Windsor Essex pretty hard to break oh yeah so I guess an excellent doctor Deb they're like no I don't know what I wouldn't call on I'm not commented I don't say so the next logical step is to pull the phone behind a car I guess you know me that's my next logical step all right what other possible drag no I mean yeah so if you're coming up with creative ideas if you have fifteen hundred dollars to blow and you want to break two phones the next logical step is to pull behind a vehicle oh great one caller be convinced somebody to give you the phones for free yeah yeah or convince Lisa hey Annie Ben I need to make a viral video are we do that actually android authority did do that with the the drop test as well the first one anyways so what so what somebody did is they place the phones face down on the road and the guy hopped in the trunk he had the phones attached by a string and the phones were taped with gorilla tape to the back of the phone so they were laying face down I'm gonna fall out and he hopped in the car and his buddy drove off and you see the phone bouncing back and forth tskinnak and then they they trained the terrain changes a little bit it's not smooth the phones are bouncing like a skipping rock everywhere and you know what the galaxy s3 was completely usable and worked fine it had a couple scratches and chips around the edges but the glass was perfectly fine I mean it is nuts i I couldn't believe it now you enjoy turning them on which would have proved a lot but he didn't turn on your right my turn it down it would have took it would have proved a decent amount more real nice okay so it was a glass test maybe not phone function test yeah I've seen people using iPhones were shattered screen so just cuz your screen is shattered doesn't mean you can't use it yeah but yeah so the anti phone was completely shattered it lost the glass test uh you know I I wasn't surprised after seeing previous doesn't any iPhone have Gorilla Glass no you don't have really glass but they have what the front was go gorilla glass in the back was not know Scott soon no I'm pretty sure it's not as I thought that the sgs2 has the gorilla glass 2 though yep there's to do there's many versions of grills best other Eric you to the same guy has version 2 I thought the iphone 4s had the old version the version one on the front and then just regular tempered glass on the back woven the version one on the front and the version one wasn't that good the STS long enough having to impractical ass no agree but I'm getting this oh no well I yeah oh I don't know about the iphone but the gosh you know a lot of shattered iPhones gorilla glass 2 alright let's see we have any questions here before we wrap up early this week I've been vaguely I believe the app encryption problem is that the a sec partition is mounted after Dana okay it makes sense as we're saying it was a during the boot process and shutdown process how was mounted and dismounted he says so that the system sees the app data first and doesn't see the related app installed so thinks it's safe to delete the data a sec is then mounted and says hey where the hell's my date at an android says all you wander a minute ago bro so we deleted you okay I got you all right thanks Ben it's appreciated okay there's not any other questions here feel free to let us know if you have any topics you want us to talk about and we'll try to get it in on an upcoming show if you have any questions you can always comment on this post you can comment on the various places that we post the podcasts and videos online you can post and comment on google+ as well as our youtube channel in this video is posted on soundcloud you can comment there we check that on podbean on itunes it's also there but you won't be able to post comments on there alright well thank you guys it was it was fun playing catch up this past week since I was out it was a interesting to see all the Android news unfold from my nexus 7 throughout the week I'll tell you what reach on the beach yeah I'll tell you what I i was using my nexus 7 as my main computer for any things i didn't have it on vacation or mr. i didn't obviously have a laptop or a desktop on vacation i had my galaxy nexus of my nexus 7 so i use that thing every morning when i woke up to you know check up on android news and its regular world news and maybe sometime the afternoon you know taking a break or something while eating lunch or something nah and then usually then in the evenings after the kids went to bed you don't want to wind down a little bit late their bed or sat outside patio and you know used google currents and maybe play the dead trigger but my point being is I used the heck out of my Nexus 7 I I didn't use it that way in the past you maybe I used you know an hour and evening here and there little bit over lunch break work or messing around doing this or that but I used it as a computer replacement for a week and I gotta say I really enjoyed using I loved it i'm happy i had and out of hated to do all that on aim i want to brought my laptop to do that all i have right now i would hated to do it on my god to nexus no only you had been camping you could have been your own little nexus 7 commercial you know what you should you should have shown your your kids some dinosaurs and stuff you know what I should have done is is whenever my son was burying me in the sand I should have my wife to out the the Galaxy Nexus and have my son hold the next seven over by me sitting there using their something buried in the sand and made my own little video submitted it now next vacation honey we're going on vacation again we're going to make a video alright alright guys thanks for tuning in thanks for watching thanks for listening and have a great week we'll see you here in a few days she later