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good evening and welcome to android authority on here the original android hangout show on google+ I'm Derek Ross i'm scott anderson in this week we are joined by returning guest Johnathan Franklin a fellow android enthusiast and new special guest Chris Hollis from google TV friends welcome guys what's up guys he's going glad to have you guys here so Scott what we have on the agenda this evening besides technical difficulties besides the tentacle difficulties we're going to talk about the vizio co-star google TV and how it kind of matches up to the competition kind of first impressions a little bit more in depth as well know when we talking about what everybody's talking about right now samsung verse apple and the verdict of the jury and then we're going to go over some nexus rumors you know how you love your next devices rumors right yeah so yeah so yeah we had some technical difficulties were a little bit later for those of you watching us live for those of you that listen or watch the recorded show you didn't miss anything we had some some audio problems we had some video problems computer problems you know what we made it so thanks for thanks for waiting or we're glad to have you here and as Scott said we're going to talk about vizio co-star the $99 google TV that started arriving this week for many many people that pre-ordered it and thankfully yours truly got his about all about three hours ago so i'm very excited to announce that i have it and i got to play with it for a couple hours not as much as I'd like but I did get to poke around here in there but Chris Hollis is a resident google TV expert if you will he knows a lot about Google TV devices and it has been using them that review the device from Logitech is Sony's Google TV devices as well as the new co-star so we have him here on the show with us tonight to to basically talk all things google TV is Scott was saying maybe talk about some first impressions uh yeah the the setup accessory software you know just uh what was it like out of the box compared to other devices and so forth so Chris you recently did a review for your site Google TV friends on the vizio co-star correct yes so what were your initial impressions compared to past devices know anything shine anything not shiny you were expecting to shine my first impression is and was it blows all the other devices away Vizio did a great job changing the layout on this version compared to the Sony in the Logitech where you always had to hit home and then you would lose your screen and you'd have to scroll through everything now everything's on your left hand side it overlays so you're not missing any TV it just blows the other devices away it really does I love the Logitech but this it just blows it away well that's good i mean this is my first google TV device I have friends that have them I've seen them I played around them a little bit here and there but never anything more than just a few minutes and I've read about pretty much everything I could read you know about the the sony blu-ray player the LG TV 2 has given people to be embedded into it as well as their the logitech revue and that was my general thought to that it was not where it should be there was a first generation device you know like android was not so good you know a few years ago and look at it now so uh inlet my understanding was it could be getting better and from the reviews that i'm reading they reflect pretty much what you said is that yeah it's not bad i mean for 100 bucks i'll tell you what my TV has the samsung Smart Hub built in right and that's I know that that's that's okay i guess um but it's an ecosystem you know its content its apps that i'm not used to so compared to that I think it's you know head over heels better it's it's so much better than what i had for smart TV now I my initial to our impression of setting it up and getting things to work is it's pretty awesome so far I mean I have a lot more to do i'm probably not going to go to bed tonight you know i'm gonna stay up all night playing with it but yeah it i'm excited so what did you uh what do you think else you know stood out from previous devices besides just you know a little better do I learn and will faster device well it's it it all boils down to this device is the game changer for Google TV the other two versions the logitech in the sony i just bought the sony the newest one for 199 bucks and all that is is it dressed up version of the logitech revue so i paid 199 bucks for a new box which it's not worth it but I this it's just faster like I said the the UI they the way they changed everything it's going to impress everybody the remote is so much more easier to use than the sony remote the logitech keyboard that you could break your leg on if you tripped over it but it's just it's just so much better the remotes a little thicker than i had anticipated i am used to a very slender thin remote that my samsung TV has and even my my comcast cable box remotes you know a little bit thinner than this it's it's very boxy I wasn't expecting I mean I'm not saying it's a bad remote but it uh it's it's almost I forget who said it but it reminds me of a 1970s first remote with one of the older TVs because it is Boxxy and you know it it doesn't have a backlight either and four of the buttons that are around the the trackpad i'll call it you know they're they're just plastic buttons they're not rubber buttons you know they have a different feel to them so i don't care you know you only use the remote to press a few buttons anyways so it doesn't have to be gold in your hand but it would have been nice if it you know a few things were a little different with it well this thing they might I'm sorry had Scott I think boy with having a title a keyboard I think that they chose that with for a reason and I mean because it seems so light that they could have made it a lot smaller if they wanted to but I think that was a design feature that they wanted to so it was comfortable with people tiger had maybe I and you also gotta remember I haven't played with it yet but there are buttons for gaming we have you know we have the up-down left-right arrows on the back we have an a/b when we thought I was it YZ I believe my yeah yeah actually why whatever yeah so there's four buttons for game so it's a game control or two I haven't played around with it yet I haven't gotten to that yet but I'm excited to try that out I'm excited to try out on live now I as well as any other game and it's compatible I don't know if there are any compatible games in the Andrew her in google play and the play store uh that's that's a tough one right now there's really not any games available for that kind of control but you can jump right into on life and play games with the with the controller so have you done that have you tried out on live the that was the first thing I did when I hope the device up I went to a lot and I played a Darksiders 2 I got a free trial for 30 minutes and I was able to move around I did everything with no problem it would have been better with with the online actual controller but you can find games that you can use the regular remote for not one thing to notice that I noticed right out of the box the one of the first things I did is I hit Search and i typed in the show name and you know I found TV shows that i could the old seasons of the show i could buy or rent you know through the the Play Store I found shows that we're going to be starting soon on TV Guide in YouTube videos and related web searches and so forth so it was pretty neat it's nice to have a connected TV to be able to do that now I don't know yet because I haven't set that up but if I hooked up an app that worked with a dnl a server would it search that for that content as well believe it what is ok that very exciting Harry that that is that's pretty awesome not a lot yeah or two as the streaming media and for cutting a little bit more that I happen now I have a comcast DVR it would be very cool if the search feature searched my shows on my DVR does it do that I have not tried that in that I can't answer that is it that's something that we went when i'm up at 5am tonight i'm gonna be doing that on ABC you know I'm gonna I want to know how this thing can do everything for me and make my life so much easier when it comes to watching TV which I don't watch a whole lot of any more so but but hey I can you know I installed the the Google Music app and I was listening to some music on my TV which is not you know it's it's you know when you have a party or something you have people over you can play music right there I was thinking about getting some nice screen savers you know for for the TV no but besides that I mean just regular eye candy I think I think I think it's gonna be great I can't wait to have more time to play around with it I don't know how how you store your photos or anything like that but there's one app called floating images for Google TV okay that will draw all your pictures from Picasa Flickr photobucket anything and you start your google music in the background then you start floating images in all your pictures will just float across the TV and it's nice it's nice for a party or if you're entertaining family and they want to see pictures that's rad so I guess that leads me to an important question for people that are new to Google TV such as myself do you have a list of apps that are will say must-have apps that are apps that you gather your go-to or actually recommend everybody at least try or that you need to have uh well the first step i have to mention is able remote because everybody complains about the remotes that come with the google TV enable remote works on your your android device so you control your TV you can set it up any way you want right from your android phone so so i shouldn't use the google TV remote that i downloaded and tried to use in the company was last updated 2010 of just under a stock i sold that lift install i sold like december two thousand ten was like really this thing's that almost two years old well i hope it works good in a date i'm working on it though they they're working on it look i like to see something that's been updated least in the last you know six months let alone a year and a half especially some goofy yeah almost like it's gonna bandit i hope i hope with the next iteration of google TV that comes out is you know second gen software i guess so people are calling it i hope that the remote you know updates happen but so able remote why did what I want that what's so much better about it than the other room worked uh because it's fully customizable you can create macros you can pick you put your favorite channels on there you can play your favorite apps on there you can change the layout of it it's you won't need your regular remote anymore you really won't and as far as the original google TV remote if you watch any of the google TV developer hangouts they let it out little hint every now and then so they're working on it the engine one though is I don't think about anything about Abel remote what I've heard is that you can customize all her favorite so you can just put it all on your phone and you can go to whatever jail you want yes and that's pretty cool I think yes you don't need you you don't need the TV remote anymore with Abel so in line so basically you're te your mode will just be there for playing on live and everything else will be on your smartphone yes okay I like that I like that I need to write that down that that is something I'm going to do it too am to my 1 i'm up all night fine and then there's there's three apps i have to mention that they don't get any recognition but they're probably three of the best apps to have one is social life Stevie the other one is social gtb and the other one is TV tweets with the two of them you can overlay they overlay your TV screen so if if you want to the football game basketball sporting anything you can put in the hashtags and those whatever hashtags you put in they'll come up on your screen when people are tweeting right and off he goes alive TV well socialized TV is the only app and it's only available on Google TV where you can actually tweet from your live TV as you're watching TV you can tweet from your teammates it's hard to explain you have to look at the app or watch the video but oh so you're watching the season finale of an episode of main character dies you can tell all your twitter friends what happened in the in pis'mo office are you saying yeah yes and you think is that light from the TV so they so there you go you can do you control people on Twitter throughout about their favorite TV shows I don't those three apps there they don't get any attention you know they're buried within the apps of the google play and but they were three of the original TV tweet apps so check them out i'm not a huge twitter user anymore this new social network came up buddy year ago called Google Plus pretty much a murder I'm pretty much each to everything used it exclusively since then but that's that's cool though you know I I think that's very cool now now only if I can people you know get on google plus from google TV that would be the next thing well it works it works great in the browser it really does okay now but the future are they gonna combine the Q and Google TV you think that would be the foreseeable future of Google TV uh I haven't heard one thing about the the Q since they pulled it I mean no rumors no nothing no one's discussed it it's it's like a forbidden word you know so i don't know i think it needs to something has to converge there Oh rumor has it that Google TV team did not know about the queue until it was you know too late to stop the engines will say and they were said once again rumor has it that they weren't too impressed with each other and book but you know that would we'll just leave it at that we'll see we'll see what happens now that now that they're redesigning adding features whatever to to the queue so uh I think some type of integration will be pretty neat no man you walk up to your google TV box and ping it with your smartphone or something yet there's only your content you know your videos your music or something for people over or something like that some type of an aggression i guess i would be neat so uh Chris we got a question it comes from Josh I do you do any of you know anything about the Sony teeth the sony google TV experience versus the vizio experience i have a vizio tv but it looks like the sony player works better for my deal on a needs he has a sony TV or a Sony devices he has a vizio tv but it looks like this sony player works better for dland and needs so basically he has a vizio tv and he's debating on whether to get a sony google TV or a vizio so this this is the sony blu-ray player google TV i'm assuming right now they're trying to push an update from what they what vizio said i tested some some files with t TV box one of the another google app that everybody loves and there are some problems with some of the files that vizio port so i would say either hold off because they're going to push an update out or go with the sony if you want the sony so this is this is me for me to say but right now we're being watched live via google TV oh yeah so that that's very cool one of our viewers watching us from their people TV their actual vizio co-star from a youtube back right now so that's cool i know people were people usually very cool quickly yeah and don't forget this is busiest first device and you know if this is where the google TV is going it's only going to get better with music i'm curious a vizio is going to bake this into their their tvs in the future you know with the next generation no I'm I don't know why we would need you know Vizio has a specific marketing and dimming nice quality TVs for a fraction of the cost they're cheap in terms of price but quality they're all right you know that they're not bad and that's how you that's why we have our father's first remote control twice I really you know who those things we overlook exactly I think in that situation Derek I think it would be more so they want to have compatible backwards compatibility with older TVs and that's a huge market as opposed to selling new TVs yeah but but look at somebody like me I needed a new TV a few months ago because my other one died so I need to buy a new TV and I knew I wanted to get google TV and the LG at the time wasn't getting the greatest reviews so i said well so i'm going to buy it a smart TV you can't buy a 3d TV that isn't a smart TV so I'm going to buy a smart TV and I'm going to overlay and not one not even use its smart capabilities for another provider smart capabilities that seem kind of dumb because I'm paying for a smart TV probably an extra hundred bucks or two hundred bucks or whatever to have all these features but now i'm not even using them and I'm okay with that but it just I would have rather bought it built-in if I could have and like I said the LG wasn't getting the hottest reviews at the time so I I didn't go with that I went with a higher quality product and i love my TV but if i could have got baked in I would have I would have fought that so young baby I'd like to see in the future hey you know what I need a TV well and the one of the bedrooms a little small so maybe in six months you know I'll be able to buy that yeah we'll see yeah and my legs are you a little bit go ahead I'll just ethic is perfectly viable that they often you know a separate solution an integrated to you means pretty similar hardware wise anyway as to what the reason to power the TV's already so yeah and yeah Michael made a good point his vizio got an update tonight and mine right out the box got an update no I don't know if it was the same update and Michael got but I got an update so I um yeah so I got an update tonight and yeah pretty interesting the detector do the edge the the vizio actually not I filed a bug report so if I get disconnected I'm gonna send this to teach you that's great every single time I've signed up for the bug report I I haven't actually got disconnected so that was actually good that that happened anyways um was i saying so yeah there was two updates actually for the coast are there is one there was one big one and then there was one that was supposedly fixed I guess 5.1 sound issues I guess there's two of them oh yeah all right well guess the the last app would have to be uh I'm sorry let me just get this in would be MIDI it's it's for download and peer-to-peer on the Google TV and it that would be have to be the last step I could recommend to anybody okay I'm ID I am I TTYL right TTYL oh yes midi interesting okay so um I also want to say about the vizio setup was a cinch uh I need another cable in order to get my cable running through it I have a table top box that goes from composite to composite so i plug it into composite but it still HD but I need is there such thing as a composite HD from I I've read a couple things and it wasn't pretty so I I'm gonna answer that one I'll have a look for in near box upgrade them yeah I'm sure it's out there but from what people have been saying that's okay uh and then the USB port what can the USB port be used for I've music movies any kind of files you want just a bit and it'll sink in a heartbeat so you can narrow half ability as well excuse me general half ability as well I don't know about that but but I plugging everything into it you know every remote every controller I had xbox you know the ps3 the US regular nothing works but it but the music in the movies so cool yeah I'm going to be figuring out some options for that little be punk so next we can get to hear your opinion on Scott yeah oh and it's been my first week with a rooted galaxy nexus so a little sidebar for those of you that watch our show because you guys watching every singer of her listen to it every single week right if you're not well we'll talk yeah we won't hold that against you but last week we kind of talked about maybe on this week's upcoming show we would be rooting Scott's devices for him and put new jelly bean on them and because he's never rooted an Android device before but all that talk we had last week he just he just couldn't handle it I got a message from scott Monday night saying I need jelly bean on my galaxy nexus verizon please help me and it has something along those lines you know I and we don't have a lot of news next week I'd be up for routing my nexus 7 because I actually see some benefits in doing that so you see some benefits in reading oh my we you know what we have changed Scott Anderson because of this guy letters in about two weeks ago Reno routing was bad it was evil you never wanted to do it ya ever said that I never said believe I just said that it was the nature of the device in the way that Verizon intended it not Google all right verizon because that's perfectly viable the roof we've never like you'd like a group of darkside justify would have words in the nexus 7 0 thing yeah there are some apps that i think i'd like to use with nexus 7 but so real quick announcement here for those of you watching before we get into the second half of the show um android authority is right now having a contest for a giveaway and the giveaway is going to be the international galaxy note 2 so if you're interested in a free phone a free flagship phone it's not even an ally adobe announced here a few days we're giving one away and to get all your invite codes or get all your entry sorry all your entry foods all you do is you go to Andhra 30.com you do you follow the instructions on the post which is the general things for social media you know like us on Twitter like us on facebook follow us on twitter google+ comment here do this post yada yada yada but oh wait there's more during the show tonight later in the show I'm not going to tell you when so you have to watch to find out so once again you're just tuning in later in the show we're going to give you a special code a special word special freeze and you're going to take that you're going to go to android authority calm you're going to find the giveaway post you're gonna go to the rafflecopter your get out of the bottom and where it says android authority on air code entry you're going to put that code in there and give you a one additional entry for the gout tunic galaxy note to give away so we'll give you that special code here in a little bit and said you can go on edit suite I gotta run guys I just want to thank you for having me on the show yeah yeah it was it was great thank you for talking all things google TV for us and letting us know what action we should definitely check out that's uh it's very helpful in said love to have you back again in the future yeah if you need help you know how to get in touch with me definitely definitely thank you very much Chris thank you guys have a good night okay yeah okay so let's talk about some small news this week before we get into the big guy here the samsung vs apple trial that just has me so happy ah so next Nexus rumors right we're getting the end of song you know it's the end of August falls just right around the corner and that means Nexus devices right so it's about that time to rumors to stuff so earlier this week to not let anybody down we had some Nexus rumors remember a few months back I believe in may not hold that against me if I'm wrong we heard that Google might be partnering with multiple vendors this time around for multiple Nexus devices so to further confirm that rumor I guess to play along with that rumor to help push it around the rumor mill we heard about the Xperia Nexus possibly coming out which would be made by sony we heard about the Galaxy Nexus to possibly coming out obviously I by Samsung and the Optimus Nexus which would be made by LG now those three devices were will say leaked on a spec sheet for upcoming devices in the upcoming fall upcoming winter from a major carrier in Japan so take them however you wish but three devices from three major manufacturers one carrier yeah well I mean they're on their way to five devices now we could we could further speculate and say well you know there might be a motorola one and that would be you know for you know there might be an HTC one lb five but let's say there's just three phones we have a nexus 7 that makes the fourth Nexus device if that's true and then we have the rumored Nexus 10 tablet which would make five devices no that's my take on it I don't know you know I'm just guessing but we might see that two different tablets and three different phones so i guess my question is for those of you watching listening later watching listening now what would you want your neck next Nexus device to be who do you want who do you want to to make it what what manufacturer what vendor you want are you going to be looking for you know the Experian excellence you know you big Sony fan or the Galaxy Nexus which we'll talk about that in a second you know is the current phone now it's just a slight bump or you know the Optimus Nexus you know G fan you want the LG version so personally I have zero problems with my galaxy nexus now even though the next one the rumor is it's just a slight bump inspection a little better screen it's a Super AMOLED HD screen processors just a very slight jumped 1.5 gigahertz over the 1.2 right now no just a little bit better camera a little front-facing and rear camera a little bit bigger become megapixel ability to 84 the rear end was a 1.9 or two point O for the front-facing camera so it's a little bump in specs I'm okay with that it doesn't need to be you know something amazingly awesome that if I show somebody they're gonna have a heart attack because the specs are so cool no we're really at a point where he can make it mind so fast but and again I do like my specs so you know maybe i would want done optimus Nexus or nxp react to something that has a little more power to it but then that brings me to my next point is that generally Nexus have been you know powerhouse thumbs so how's me have three powerhouse phones are we going to have a are we gonna have a super duper high end phone a mid-range phone and then I I don't know you know I mean it seems kind of weird how we're going to gauge them this you know we could have a three different tiers and Nexus phones are they all going to be the same specs just made by different manufacturers name oh I think I'm I've heard it before obviously there's no way to really know what goes on behind the scenes when it happens but when it comes around for the presentations I think all the manufacturers actually present to Google a rumored you know what they would produce it for a nexus and kind of compete with each other quietly above mean obviously not in the same room at the same time but maybe Google came to the point where they just said okay well we just go ahead and let it you know let all of them make one you know just like they planned on doing and they were competing with each other is just what would just turn them loose yeah curious you know my biggest concern is carriers you know what my great you know I want to want to make sure that my carrier verizon is getting another nexus which after the last yea after the current debacle that's going on right now I don't know if that's going to happen I'd like to have I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed you know confidence how I but I don't know if that will happen like the two things that are going to be huge selling points is the stock google experience that's one so spec sir okay um but it'll be that and battery life I think the biggest battery would would win for me would because thus the one that's the only thing I would change about the Galaxy Nexus and a lot of this because the first generation he'll te hardware but a just having the same phone let's say a Snapdragon s4 it would be a gigantic improvement yeah as empty reefer stimulation LTE is just terrible I agree Derek what would you need in your next one but what I needed my next phone yeah if it was a it was a nexus well I I'm perfectly happy with my phone right now my my galaxy nexus I mean a better camera and better battery life I it I really don't need to get any faster it already is fast and does everything i need to do in terms of speed a better screen you know a little higher you know pics a little higher DPI maybe so a better screen better battery life which might boil down to you know LTE radio code or a bump in the camera megapixel so the galaxy nexus two of those specs are right as long as battery holds up I'm okay with that better screen better camera yeah I'd be okay with it I'd buy into that again I would I would I don't have any problems with my card phone but you know I mean for a better camera and better battery life yeah so well so if you have the option between let's say oh you know something magical happens and verizon just happens to get all five and these rumored phones which was they get well thats hot person personally i would take a motorola or sony nexus first period rolla probing the top well I've never held it seems kind of liberated me I've never had a next period device or any sony phone in my hand because the last sony phone i held my hand was an ericsson from like eight years ago so i don't know what their android phones are like I personally never used one I would compare them to a somewhere between HTC and motorola feel wise uh hardware wise I guess no I'm not talking about the software because the software's up to you as far as whether you like it but as far as it they generally go with Paul calm they journey have good build quality they have good quick good cameras but it's a i'd say somewhere between motorola and HTC as far as how the phone is hardware implemented good radio from here so let it move one knot to a few couple more tidbits android news this week and then we'll we'll wrap up the last 20 minutes or so talking about the trial verdict so i don't use facebook i haven't in over a year because there's new social network out there people plus do a lot of letters yeah we don't know what that is but apparently the facebook app is bad um do do those do they use it you might know what I'm talking about maybe you Scott John maybe we do apparently apparently it's so bad facebook they're making all of their employees switch over to android phones so they see actually how bad it is an actual dog food you know and use it so they're taking dog look dog food to an extreme which is very cool i mean i mean that that if i was a facebook user i would i'd be a big fan of that a company knows they have a problem and the only way to really determine what their problem is to is to actively use it to experience it to go through it so that that's good news for for you Facebook addicts out there on I'm happy for you I thing i think that uh they can solve that very quickly through and just like Fran castor does a great job just buy it out fix the bugs put your name on it and be done with it I think they gotta make it from the ground up if they want it to be their experience performing experience is horrible only enjoyed me it's just I agree but I want to take them a long time yeah you come up with a new too bad that's salvageable all right so the galaxy note came out about two weeks ago on t mobile tmobile fans were happy they're able to get that the phablet the phone tablet whatever people are calling it and then after two weeks t-mobile said well the next ones coming out soon it's right around the corner we're gonna we're gonna remove it from our website we're not going to be actively selling it anymore so gonna get the note sorry about your luck but hey there's none coming students may be tmobile be a carrier for that in the beginning and not have to wait an extremely long time for it to show up on that carrier like it last time let's talk about a couple weeks for phones and then we'll get into the trial so we still have an Ice Cream Sandwich leaks no phone no which is funny because ice cream sandwich came out was announced October 15th it don't got no butter so those of you that have the HTC incredible too I can guarantee you that ice cream sandwich is coming because this week a ice cream sandwich firmware was leaked for it and people installed it in loved it and rejoiced that ice cream sandwich was coming following that the HTC Thunderbolt verizon's bastard LTE phone latest stepchild redheaded not only their very first LTE phone is getting ice cream sandwich soon and a rom was leaked for it this week people installed it of it it got both HTC phones got a major bumpkin sense from was it what sense 2.1 a sense 3.6 i believe so they got a major you i bump as well as ice cream sandwiches UI changes and then last but not least the samsung galaxy s3 is rumored to get jelly bean very very very soon and it was a it's been having multiple leaks like three or four now over the past two weeks the latest ones this week click on a new jelly bean rom for the international version as well as the t-mobile version so if you have the t-mo or the international version you can go ahead and sample those at your own risk obviously be careful um anytime you do something like that no be extra careful make sure you know what you're doing good doing that isn't for everybody so let's get into the samsung vs apple trial that's been going on for the past few weeks and blew up the internet a few hours ago um John what are your initial thoughts on that isn't it have I mixed in some areas um as far as Apple's claims to a lot of intellectual property I think are bogus and but on the other hand I think there are a lot of things that Samsung has done to just kind of stir the pot there um a good example my mom has a samsung fascinate which is basically a galaxy s clone that Verizon made even worse by slapping being on top of it other things but as far as a lot of the verdict from the trial is relative to Hurley touch with that doesn't exist in touch with now how like the rounded icons the square icons the belts back um this if you use a phone like that the Galaxy S series in general there are similarities and there are some things that Samsung still does that makes you question kinda like s voice things like this it's almost like they're just provoking Apple to come after them even even in situations where google gave them warning to not kind of look at trade dress yeah they did now beyond that I think that the patents and apples arguments for the most part are complete most of it should be invalid completely software patents I don't agree with Microsoft and Apple a bit bullying the biggest problem I guess I have is you have samsung and your Motorola's and your Qualcomm's and your nokia has come along and they spend billions of dollars of researching and getting cell technology where it is today and then make that standards-essential which is true it should be standards-essential then companies like Microsoft and Apple come in late and then act as if what you've done in the past 15 years is completely you know of no value whatsoever and they put in to me it takes a lot more effort to come up with a cell radio then it doesn't touch gesture yeah Scott what are your thoughts on on the villainy verdict initial reactions initial thoughts um my initial thoughts were and throughout the trial my thoughts were Samsung why are you doing this and it just kind of became apparent that Samsung in certain aspects is trying to you know not necessarily copy but try to mimic other products and I mean with the icon design I don't agree with that that's ridiculous you know people have become accustomed to a certain looking Hall icon and you know like a universal call icon so I don't know I Samsung did a lot of that a lot of this for themselves and they they kind of dug their own hole I think you know yes there's similar products because in terms of looks because that's that that's what the consumer wants I mean I really think samsung said it best today and i'm going to read their the reaction statement they said today's verdict should not be viewed as a win for Apple which they're gonna play on the people's feelings here saying that but it was a loss for the American consumer which that is true they said it will lead to fewer choices West innovation and potentially higher prices which when a company is allowed to create a monopoly and ruled that they're allowed to have a monopoly then yes this does happen they continue to say is unfortunate that patent law can be been manipulated to give a company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners and and yeah that that is a hundred percent it I mean are we gonna start am I gonna walk around with the trapezoid is a phone from now on I mean do i or am I gonna go for triangle as a phone maybe maybe for google glass doesn't shape like that and I mean Peter people want I mean here's my wallet this is pretty much the standard wallet it's a rectangle so it's it's it's the standard wallet I mean for hundreds of years is the 100-year people use you know saddlebags and stuff 100 years ago but what I mean on your show i'm saying so leather wallets haven't really changed a lot I don't see you know Coach suing louis vuitton every single day that they designed the same rectangular leather wallet it's it's a standard so alright so they continue to say that i lost my place consumers have the right to choices and they know what they're buying into when they purchase stamp set of products they're not getting duped you know they're not walking into a store walking into a best behind coming out with a galaxy tab 10.1 getting home and sad huh this isn't an iPad oh that's just that's just consumer education right there and that's also because right now when I go blow my nose i say i wanna i want a Kleenex I don't say i want to tissue i say i want to clean it clinics is actually a brand name I want to clean my ears I don't use a I know what it's calling with cotton swab I don't use a cotton swab you know I use a q-tip you know I eat popsicles you know you know that these are all name brands that when I want to make copies of something you know I sell it gave Xerox that for me these are name brands in America have become synonymous to their their products it's a social to get your hands to push exactly the very first one became popular so I have all the time people send me all is that an iPad and they're not really actually saying is that an iPad computer made by apple that's just what it's called because it was the first one so everything's that ipad ipad means tablet so that's what I did with my galaxy nexus asked me if it's one of those iphones but this journalist i'm here today it's what came out first that's so that's what people call it all is that an iphone oh yeah yeah it's similar to an aqua know it's a it's a then you say some crazy long android games that makes you hang your head and change I'm comin oh no this is the HTC photon q 4g LTE okay you know but but names aside names me all night well I think the perception and it's kind of funny because they're making it out as if Samsung is a cheap knockoff and it's really not the case because if you look at the historically look at all the mp3 players that try to copy the ipod and get nothing for sale it's not the fact that it's subpar or anything that's affecting that it's the fact that they're putting out a product that is at least as good is their product and they're getting sales based upon their if it was just a cheap knockoff that wasn't that wasn't worth anything then the consumer wouldn't react on it at all and that's really where the big issue that from Apple sign of it that's because they're just not getting out innovated by everybody and that's open source that's the speed of open source working against them but so Samsung continues to say that this is not the final word in this case ruskin chattering continues orang-orang battles being waged in the courts and tribunals around the world which we know that patent wars continue patent wars continue in South Korea where Samsung was actually recently you know they were found to not infringe so the you know and as well in New York and these cases are going to continue and they said that some of which have been already rejected of apples claims which yes in many parts of the world apples planes have been rejected and they they closed it by saying that samsung will continue to innovate and offer choices for the consumer and we can see that they're already starting to change that with the galaxy s3 which you know looks nothing like an iPhone they and maybe the net the next major tablet from samsung will look nothing like you know an ipad they're getting yelled exactly notice you to use to that's a different that's a different topic i think i think that the note is probably the first example of a tablet that they designed with that in mind yeah i think that they're gonna just completely go after them um using moral yes good yeah yeah i think more role and Google's going to use them to their advantage and hopefully they do um and hopefully motorola comes up with some good devices on I know that they've used some devices in the past that have been yeah and they've made some bad decisions with the razr maxx i'll tell you that the band is the razr maxx aside from the display is a pretty good phone yeah but the amount of variations that they made to that phone yeah yeah yeahs coming out with you know different fault like it's not cool well i can raise our buyer you were just absolutely livid when they came out with the max two months later exactly i mean you can't do that to your consumers yeah just completely you know oh there's a better one out now i will give them the credit they have been doing this long and haven't put out a device where is back when it was a droid 3 android for never coming out with something every three months and it's been a good almost a year we're coming up on a year since they put a device out so i think they're finally kind of starting to put their money where their mouth is and I wonder if and that's what makes me wonder about the next Nexus device that if if more role will be contributing to that because they need to come up with a bang and they need to say hey we're still in it and we're in it the way you know I think that and if they unlocked a bootloader on verizon I'm all over that device period because I am just that's me I have a zoom it's probably you mean it's older now but the thing to tank I can't say that about you know when my Nexus is well built too but Motorola just has built quality down to yeah i will definitely give them that no it's not the prettiest girl the primary aim but i don't even care about that so yeah definitely well built devices and hopefully they can bring that the next access that'd be really cool now the last thing about patent wars that i want to talk about is google / motorola last Friday filed suit against Apple to ban a slew of Apple devices ipad the iphone ipod touch as well as mount a mac the netbooks for for patent infringement we didn't actually know what patents uh seven different ones were outlined this this week some light was finally shed on the subject so Google is fighting back to help android we'll see what happens in Anyang this coming week with that in the UH that injunction see if it actually happens um it would be nice for Apple to get a taste their own medicine and in my opinion but it would I don't see it happening kind of like a motor world I have that injunction ban on the Xbox and yeah did really good band or and to me fair's fair you know they blunt the One X you know things on those lines it may not be HTC's only device or anything but it was a significant device for them that they delay to release on well my opinion being nowhere near a lawyer nor understanding patent law but my opinion would be to patent attempt to patent everything though anything and everything if you can patent a shape then you can patent anything in my opinion so no matter how many spoilers any managers need to do that and in OEM s need to do that to ward off somebody deciding well because this this rectangle is now has rounded corners well we designed that so whoever's going to make the first trapezoid android phone I want you to patent it so Apple does not do that does not come out with this awesome that's quite a feat I think Google is kind of a newer company to the legal side of that we're Apple in Microsoft a very old school I think they're finally realizing how seriously they have to take it so I think they're starting to escalate down a little bit hey guys so 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