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welcome to android authority on air the original android hangout show on google+ I'm dare cross I'm Scott Anderson this week we have returning special guest dan Charlton of TM it kernels you may or may not be running one of his Colonels right now if you are on a custom rom and you have an HTC device chances are you may know who he is welcomed and thanks for stopping by again always good to be here so Scott what are we yeah can about this week well we got a lot of different types of app updates we also have new and upcoming devices from IFA in Germany we also have some ICS and jelly bean updates and also some leaks and then we're going to be finishing up with some Pat more information all right good let's dive into some of these app updates here before we talk about all the devices that dropped this week at IFA so the google play store no harm our bread and butter had a little bit of an update this week recommendations which is great so now you can see recommendations personalized for you based on apps that are popular with people that have downloaded them popular based on usage popular based on the area that you're in is also popular with users have similar use habits such as yourself as well as in the past know people you can +1 apps and then so forth and those are all tied into recommendations it's very nice i i i noticed it then checked it out i was able to see you know whoa i use for example fancy widgets and look it's tell me it's recommending you know beautiful widgets because people that use fancy widgets that have used beautiful widgets you know i thought that was a nice addition you know help me find a napper too much likely find a gamer so yeah I the only thing i don't like about it necessarily is it would be nice to get a number of how many people have +1 that yes my friends or the people that I circle on Google+ have recommended it but it'd be nice to get a number yeah I agree with that I get what I'm looking do you yeah top item on my list is nova launcher dare cross and seven other people have +1 this I'm dare cross guy he Plus Ones all the things he does next one Sentinel three homeworld dare across and five other people appear across once that guy's each plus wanted everything yeah that actually gets pretty funny if you're following a personal Plus Ones all the things yes okay I'm not gonna lie I don't plus 1 all the things but a traitor across and sicker okay no no you have to go into the recommended apps quick thick Scott Anderson and two other people plus 1 this there you go Scott's plus one and all the things minus is plus 1 by your friends interesting alright so Google Play got some updates for recommendations tied to your use habits and your friends so it's very cool let's talk a little bit about Google now people search google search AKA google now got an update this week those of you that are rocking jelly bean on your devices will notice that now movie showtimes are now included based on days that you generally search for movies um which is a very cool i have yet to find that uh have that card pop up because I guess I don't really search for a whole lot of movies yeah I say I just don't search for movies right now what I want to know is is if let's say I go to the movies a lot on certain days like in I check in there and Google knows that that's a movie theater war also when I'm near that movie theater why get the car to pop up to you know if it knows him at AKA you know local cinema what pop up then you know oh look he's a block away from the cinema let's show him what's playing this stuff like that L becoming a guy says it to ya I mean I just don't go to the movies very often so I not something I find useful but I can see why for people that are big movies moviegoers that's great yeah definitely so Google now also got a sports update you can now just go ahead and add your team's you don't have to you know search for your team to have it show up he just go ahead and add whatever teams you want to have show up as a car unfortunately that asterisk on me whatever team yeah unfortunately if you're a huge college football fan I'm assuming also basketballs and so forth but the college football just started the this past week you can't add any college teams that's that's kind of sad yes but but maybe it'll come in the future but still you know whatever major league major national teams and so forth you can go ahead add those as well as international and I like no football depending on what what area of the world here I'll be the other four I got bored so I find it very disappointing yeah and also public service announcement so you know if there's a tornado hurricane earthquake Amber Alert you know things like that you know there will be in your area the a card will pop up so that's actually very much yeah yeah yeah very very neat I I want to see more of these types of you input something and it'll give you inputs to where it is uh with me I use public transport at transportation and if it knows that I go to work at a certain time it gives me all of the relevant times to work and publicize it would it would be nice to input something that just gives me to and from not like if I'm at work why would it tell me to go home if I'm still at work until a certain time I find that in an annoyance but hopefully look at it tells you all day long how how long it takes documents then just popping up the end of the day yeah yeah yeah I guess but however it is smart enough to know that I only play golf on Tuesdays in a golf leg and on Tuesdays I get the card to drive to the golf course I don't get it on wednesday or monday i don't get any other day of the week so it's smart enough to know that I what day I play golf on so it uh you think maybe that you know might be added in the future yeah bill for people that don't have a very regular schedule right like you go off every Tuesday and not wednesday thursday or friday i feel like for people that you know sometimes it's Tuesday's sometimes it's friday sometimes it's wednesday right like it's not a consistent thing it's a lot less helpful it more just kind of to annoy well yeah I mean also I played that golf course you know most of my life yeah I played it for the past 20 years on how to get there how many directions you but uh anyway so let's talk about another google app update this week we had google maps those of you that are bikers you can rejoice there is now turn-by-turn navigation for bikes by Krauss and if the recent the previous recent google map update growth your HTC device made it randomly reboot oh this should fix that this should resolve that so thumbs up for HTC devices not rebooting happen to my friends s3 and would be update okay what is given yeah oh that's not an HTC device no I'm aware of that but it actually broke a comparative I was a pilot I made the galaxy s3 you actually have it was just voicing I have this reward you know your device was fine yeah but then again I'm not exactly running HTC software on it so why not is that a trick question okay alright so moving on those of you that use HBO an HBO GO once again thumbs up if you're on jellybean device HBO GO now officially supports the latest and greatest version of Android yeah I like the UI it's a free pool hey there big paypal user I know you know I've been hazed occasionally but if he checked out the latest update that came out this past week whether it's a complete you I makeover I know they've just recently redid the UI on the website no but they did on the mobile app and the funny thing is it broke probably three times so late they initiated app updates like three times within an hour and it was pretty funny but that respect is the big massive update then like a bug fix a bug fix the note about it at least I didn't let it sit and I have given up palms with it I mean I like the fact that people update the wrap with bug fixes so I mean that's good yeah yeah that's that's one of the nice things with the sort of the delivery process of app updates it's so easy you might as well just go ahead and push out the fixes don't bother waiting if it's something that's important exactly also in a car scanning which I'm not her % sure i didn't use it I don't know what card scanning in it I think that's support for their square rival isn't it oh we out that could be yeah I don't think it's like using the camera to scan credit cards that would be impressive don't then we had another rob a bit tags like that let me have another appt tablet SMS Derek you want to take this one yeah katal SMS those of you that are familiar with clockworkmod which pretty much if you've ever rooted your phone before you know or have heard of couche and clockworkmod so or everyone's managed ahmad since it comes bundled with ya anyways uh while ago he came out with a desk SMS which allows you to you stall the app on your phone and connects to website basically and then via your desktop an app on your desktop browser extension whatever have you you can send and receive text messages well since you know devices such as the nexus 7 are extremely portable you can put in your pocket it's basically like a bigger version of the galaxy note maybe it's just a it's a it's a big tablet but I'm sorry it's a big big phone basically except for the fact that doesn't have phone capabilities so you know yeah you can make calls on it with you know groove IP yeah you can send text messages with google voice but that doesn't help you God doesn't have a microphone yeah but I would hope so ammonia of course you ran out clear kala for video chats haha nope no Mike that's right it's got out of my god so um yeah that dirt just made me leave to check okay so uh yes Qasim era tan SMS does the same thing his desk a semester does it allows you to send text messages and mms from said device so you install desk SMS on your phone then you still tablet SMS on your tablet and by the good guys over it clockworkmod it talks to a server out there on the interwebs and sends all your text messages back and forth you can reply and compose messages right from your nexus 7 or any tablet for that matter i just use nexus 7 because it's the flavor of the month and it's extremely portable like a big phone so just yeah I've used it I do use it a preemie I enjoy it now Derek is there a use case for this if you are a strictly google voice like a lot of Google people are I mean is there a use case for this at all oh yeah a lot of I mean some people are strictly you down question was if you're not already using google voice is there a use case if you're not already using google voice is your main number that know if everybody if you're all your friends and family members have your carrier what your carrier line number well these trends 4x message the other one emeka number and they send you text messages on that number than yet you're gonna need something like this of you but net but as yeah as you guys are hinting at if you're already a google voice user problems or one-half get it everywhere yeah some people don't you know don't want to port their number or don't want to give people a different number it is nice to girl calligraphic it earlier text messages through 14 different servers and remember now until recently Google Voice didn't play nicely with SMS or mms messages I think it still doesn't do mms I thought they were all done it does but it emails that basically yeah okay okay all right but either way both apps are free so check it out if you're not a google voice user I recommend it remember backhoe a few months back google i/o when the nexus 7 was demoed and they were showing how awesome it was they demoed a game called horn & horn wasn't available yet but caught everyone's attention and looked absolutely amazing Oh 3d masterpiece adventure game and it showed the gaming capability of the upcoming Nexus 7 so we've been anxiously waiting for it for the past few months well it was released just a few days ago on August 30th costs 699 thanks to xanga and you get on the google play store right now and typical of games that from zenga you can you know up do upgrades in gaming game purchases if you want you know upgrade your guy a little bit your character horn himself making a little more powerful at a few stats here and there if you want but you don't have to it's not needed um it's just as easy not you know not doing it but it is very fun game and it's a beautiful game as i said the graphics are amazing it shows the real true gaming capability of a Tegra 3 device now I've only played on my Nexus 7 I haven't tried to play it on anything else how's the length of the game is it one of those games it has an ending or is it an ongoing type game well I'm not only I'm only twelve percent into the game so I'm assuming it's gonna be a long ways telling you that you're a certain percentage into the game i'm assuming there's an end point yeah hundred percent um yeah at least all the world the world that I'm in right now has a nice little twelve percent by and I said I a lot of free time over the past few days having issues in an airport so I've become accustomed to the game and all about it's pretty neat um you know if you still have some people play money left over from your next 27 your you know go ahead and give it a try at seven boxing plate for a little bit you don't like it you can always no redeem it would you recommend it if you had no google play money left from your nexus 7 purchase would you produce it with your own I am NOT an Android gamer I'm a gamer anymore I don't have time time to be right now you know all my game sitting over on this side of mirror crying in the closet but yeah I um I was gonna buy it anyways after i saw a demo i was like wow this is going to make me want to play it I mean the only other game I play that's a true game besides the casual gamer games I I play dead trigger you know something i can play five minutes of time if i want to go shoot some zombies but I I would have bought it anyways just because i was doing odd at Google i/o they know they did their marketing right they hooked me alright moving on we have a microsoft skydrive was officially released in the Play Store um I liked the interface of it but it kind of blacks a lot of features well uh SkyDrive kind of likes a lot of features no I missed Emily by his flock yeah um but it was nice i like the interface and hopefully they improve upon it yeah no I mean as much i guess- dresses Microsoft's getting about Windows 8 the interfaces do look very clean mm-hmm but if you note a fan of SkyDrive another cloud storage device had their app updated right Scott uh yeah it was actually an experimental built by Dropbox and basically they're releasing a type of two step verification it's available in their experimental built and you can find all their experimental built on their blog so i like the effect of their security um now they did have they do have a password authentication if you want for booting up the app i personally think that's nice and enough for me but to step size to you know if you are storing a lot of information out on dropbox especially personal information you're just using it to store crap to download that's one thing but if you're using it for PII personally identifiable information yeah you better be you better be protecting it and thanks to the drop box allows you to do that now I mean I don't worry about mine but everything that's there is also publicly available elsewhere yeah and I see this useful for enterprise people they're storing a terabytes of information yeah yeah I'm gonna want to step because they may get access to it then I've got problems yes for the drop box for James users don't want a IFA 2012 the the germany berlin technology conference of the past week saw a lot of devices now men slaughtered devices pop up that we were expecting as well as so at least i wasn't expecting uh let's get home with the galaxy note 2 that was officially announced earlier this week it's going to be rocking a 1280 x 720 display on a 5.5 inch screen so it grew just a little bit over the original note 3100 mAh battery become a jelly bean there you go with Jamie and 1.6 gigahertz quad-core Exynos processor so this little beefier the galaxy camera was announced as well it is a camera just blown away by the camera with the quad core processor I mean I get putting a full touchscreen operating system on a camera but you really need a quad core processor in your camera you know what yes you do you do need a quad core processor in your camera that way you can process the images faster and and get the quad core processors that's in the International s3 can't process a faster than the single core image processor in HTC's image sense chip okay oh yeah that's right Oh Dawn has it and you know what it's gonna be able to process all the things and do all the things you know I don't know you're gonna apply filters to on Instagram faster you know I oh boy yeah you know what else can do that my original HTC evo well you know what with a 0 which makes it feel core one nigga there's of some reason to play a gig storage not a whole lot of be the quad core processor would be like 32 gigabytes of on-board storage well actually the kicker with this device is the fact that you get um I think it's 25 or 50 gigabytes of dropbox storage yeah and I mean Sam some of these days what you could you get that with us three as well I think that's not a you have to verizon they frown upon that mouth yep going on uprising sorry yeah no I'm arrived but I'm with to be nice like any other non verizon samsung you get that so that I mean that's not like a big special thing if you're getting a samsung you're getting that yeah I mean it's just add a feature that is nice so unless unless you feel like wasting CPU cycles you shouldn't get this I guess according to dan no it does have a 16 mega camera and wasting lots of CPU cycles Oh spoken like a you know what when it comes out then I want you to make a custom kernel for that you know under the underclocked risky knows what's up let me make a girl for that crap exe how's that okay so you won't okay calling our developer hahaha yes or no yet oh yeah doesn't like those I'm sure I can find you on how much does a 16 megabyte I mean a 16 megapixel uh image file in bread costs you know how big is a file is that decent size i guess probably around with five megabytes at least yeah I don't a pic of megapixels usually 12 and a half yep so I would assume it's about 500 txt fox roughly five neg / image more than I think it more than doubles to double the mega pixel size well either way I usually your CPU cycles are not a pure Android cameras coming out there and Samsung basically have external storage with that little on board um I mean like for a camera right I can see wanting a lot of storage space no it does it does yeah you can you can that they they had that in mind so they could make people like you happy so let's talk about the next device you know archos archos hasn't been the greatest in popularity for android tablets over now we're long past two years year and a half whatever her third quality of hats and hitter mrs. maybe they've been slowing getting updates out here we've actually been talked about them getting updates in the past from for jellybean on some of their devices I'm sorry not jelly bean ice cream sandwich on some of their devices well hard to be impressed but an almost two year old operating system at this point sorry uh down negative nancy hold on a second so the archos gamepad was announced it's now you may use all your cpu cores on this one and all of your cpu cycles it's a 1.5 gigahertz quad-core android gaming device it has hardware-specific buttons on the left on the right side specifically for gaming oh you know gamepad buttons so you don't have to use software keys you know software buttons which we do now on tablets and phones so it is specifically built for gaming um there's no release date yet for here in the US but across the pond over in Europe look for this device to come out towards the end of October I like the artwork buttons for gaming and it's opera but knows i am not a fan of for agreed other types of devices this might be the future of android gaming who knows yeah but the thing is if you buy the hardware harbor buttons you're kind of limited to that yeah just kind of way if you're a gamer awesome if you're not a live with the autumn screen i guess yeah ok the next device rumor we'll talk about here the aside from IFA 2012 motorola released a flyer inviting people from the press to come to a new event of theirs on September 18th they asked people to join Motorola on September 18 for an event that will let us take you to the edge Bloomberg then reported that Motorola was getting ready to release a phone with zero bezel the bezel does you that don't know is the thin or thick depending on your device usually black strip around your scrip you buleria on your screen to this date there isn't a device that is bezel less you know completely screened from edge to edge there's always a bezel on the styths on the top you know it's a waste screen space basically so Motorola has a flyer out there that says let us take you to the edge an intel inside logo is on the flyer so it's a joint event between Motorola and Intel and it's a bloomberg reports that they're going to be announcing a zero bezel device not know what what's also yet to follow up on this rumor the the flyer the text on the flyer goes to the actual edge of the flyer there's no margin like you know most Flyers to have a one inch margin around it it goes completely to the edge so this might actually happen so is this the upcoming razr HD is it a completely different device all I know is this will be the first device that has officially launched after Google took over Motorola so this might actually be possible also on the bottom of the flyer they had a hashtag on there that had hash moto edge so is the device let me called Motorola edge I mean is it who knows what's gonna call but it sounds like something something big is gonna happen here in a few days so we'll find out in the 18th the mall with them inside what's that in the thing that makes me skeptical is the Intel Inside if they're gonna do an edge lyst display I don't think they're gonna do it with something as sort of untested unproven as a medfield chip but why would Intel's logo be on the flyer that's what's interesting that's what I'm saying makes me skeptical skeptical the rumors are skeptical of the Ferger show the hardware I don't think that they would do something as big and splashy as an edge list display with something as risky as the Intel so maybe then it is the first first motorola phone with an intel core and it is called motorola edge all there is it's not a bezel this phone that's rumored that rude and still pan out in the future but for now is that rumor a lot of times before yeah maybe the device is just called the motorola edge I mean I think we've heard that with what every device Samsung has released in the last 18 months yeah yeah when we heard about shrinking bezels no bezels yes just the edge list it was not the Narrows what's interesting about this though if you couple this with the patent that Google was awarded with in the past maybe a little over a month ago we had talked about on the show before where they were awarded a patent that no matter if you held a phone right side up upside down you can talk into and listening to it so there would be some type of speaker microphone sensor on each end and depending on the orientation the device you software to determine you know yeah which speaker to activate which mike to activate so if the device is edge to edge screen and you throw in that hardware patent software pattern that that could all I mean that can become you know a super device a game-changing device yeah I mean we are we are still talking about there being a bezel then at the top and the bottom at very least for a speaker prefer speaker battle react very large also potentially for a front-facing camera so you're probably still going to get some bezel at very least a top but especially with on-screen keys nowadays you can strip away the bezel at the Sun to left the right the bottom without you know having any problems other than obviously building that device so if you're watching the show right now sorry listeners that you can't watch the listen to this later but if you're watching and listening live here what do you think is going to come out of this rumor you think we're going to see a yeah a device just called the motorola edge do you think it's going to be a bezel this device taking it to the edge the screen to the edge no let us know what your thoughts are on here come back to this a little bit all since we're talking about rumors let's talk about HTC is latest rumor there HTC is rumored to be coming out with a 5-inch you know mega device because that's that's the popular thing to do with Samsung did it LG did it now HTC is looking to do it at least according to latest rumor pictures surfaced this past week with a black device with red along the side which resembles you know verizon's colors for the HTC incredible line you could you can see hardware keys on the device which are similarly located to other HTC incredible devices so is it the new incredible is that the rumor five incher or is it the HTC one x+ you know don't know but okay we have a new HTC device coming out but we have no clue what it is right now well I doubt it's the one x+ since that was rumored to be going to t-mobile that's when it's red and red is generally a verizon thing generally generally and the original neva was biking around bed yeah so let's a move on to our last rumor of the week here this is a big one now I mean did it the motorola had no bezel things bit too but this is big too so paul bryant romanik hill reported earlier that google and asus are ramping up production on a device that's about six weeks away from cumbia being announced it's going to be the nexus 7 3g so a lot of people have said I and outs of great tablet i love it but I wish it had cellular data they want mobile data they want to be able to use the 3g 4g whatever a mobile data plan with it so it can truly be used everywhere instead of just places that have a Wi-Fi hotspot which personally the places i've used it I've never said door and I wish I had Wi-Fi could every where I use the add Wi-Fi but that's just me and me maybe I'd like to use in the car then maybe I don't want to tether my down or I'm at the beach you want to use it whatever but anyways can't face Olerud there is a 3g rumor coming out now speculation on this a 3g radio cost about 8 to 10 bucks so it might cost twenty thirty dollars more than the 199 virgin guess it'll be 250 yeah 2 304 for a 16 yeah so so we a we don't know on prices but it I'd say 50 most you know they'll make a little bit of money on it but it doesn't coffee itself doesn't cost much now this is all speculation of course if this rumor does pan out to be true I'm betting it actually you know hearing 3g not hearing anything else I'm betting it'll be hspa+ you know we're not going to see a verizon 4g LTE version we probably won't even see in here we won't see it a sprint or AT&T LTE birds and it will follow Google's suit of Nexus devices it'll be an unlock you know it will be an hspa+ device that you can put on pretty much any character except cdma carriers all part of this hardware right they can't just bolt on a 4G LTE chip next to the to the license yeah I understand so those of you that are on you know sprint or verizon here in the US you can unfortunately go ahead and start frowning now if this does come out you're not you have to activate this from another network but city even if that doesn't even happen is well no one knows it's a rumor right now but those of you that are on a 3g plan or no no I'm starting up 3g plan rrna hspa+ plan in this 3g nexus 7 does pan out well there you go personally I just don't wanna pay for more data you know I'm fine with my tethering yes yeah you're right you're right but then again you know uh the if you have the new share everything plans coming out from eighteen t or um verizon it's really not that at verizon what I said well not verizon we just discussed the fact that this will have to go a resident yeah yeah oh yeah did this yeah this won't come risin this will come to verizon basically verizon is unofficially burned Google with Nexus devices they big birthday at Bridge so this won't become an uprisin in my opinion i I've been wrong way twice before in my life so it's not just that they aren't going to put LTE on it resins not and release any more devices that don't have LT heat so at that point there's I'm gonna point of putting just a cdma radio in it all right so it looks like we have a few comments here device named edge not a cop so if the device named edge isn't copyrighted right now the smart thing to do according to comments is to is to go and go and copyright right now try to bank on a few bucks right mark not a copyright but yeah yeah Nexus edge would be neat uh yeah I agree you know call it Nexus edge I doubt it'll be they use a Nexus device though but you know you know anything's possible and it's possible let's talk about some ICS and jelly bean weeks and updates here well an IFA will go back to IFA news here and IFA 2012 samsung said that the galaxy s three jellybean was coming soon which we know we see every four days you could see a new leak so yeah we know it's coming soon and speaking of leaks there was a week this week more bug fixes yadda yadda added a few features here and there and boom it you can go ahead and download it and flash it if you want to venture down that route if you are rooted already if not keep your fingers crossed that it comes very very soon samsung also announced that the note 10.1 the new tablet from them as well as the original note would be getting jellybean soon and just a side note on the note 10.1 this past week i was at vmworld on the san francisco and for whatever reason samsung mobile was there because is their devices are good to monitor and use virtualization uh I don't know how that a phone company to come there there's no text often you know they were there you know they sell the best monitors for viewing vSphere you know I either way they were there they had that the note 10.1 I used it for good 10 minutes talked a couple the sales engineers about it they looked at me like I had three heads when I was asking questions no I just said okay I'm gonna go about my own thing and I just wouldn't i just went click with it myself all right yeah I there's a lot of doom and gloom about that device but it's not that bad mia has touch with TouchWiz is the smoothest stop Android no is it the worst time whatever know what i use it i don't like TouchWiz no but for those of you this blank / group it won an FN you might use the tablet but you just wouldn't use it with TouchWiz on it for very long I would wipe and ROM that thing faster than any other planet it's a beast it is it's not that bad all right so let's get in the big guy here at least for that Italy Scott and I hold near and dear to our hearts were verizon God's and Nexus owners so a little bit of light was shed on that subject this past week a build for jellybean for the verizon galaxy nexus was leaked and from now we're able to steal the radios from it so we have a new cdma radio new LTE radio for your flashing pleasure you can go and flash those chances are if this bill comes to fruition and near future those radios will be the radios you all be running I've been running them this past week no I have no issues with them speed is just the same batteries I can't tell the difference people are reporting better battery life and people are reporting faster Wi-Fi to 4G transition and 3G to 4G transition faster I haven't paid that much attention to it well you cannot have LTE where you live bill to notice that one yeah yeah jack but that's what I mean I just blew all week I Delta there and at work you know I MLT so I'll tested more work this coming week um the OTA or the over the air leaked leaked build was turned into a flashable wrong so those of you that want to flash you know as close to sleek stock Android as possible on your Verizon Galaxy Nexus that rom is available for your flashing pleasure you can download it from various places such as XDA routes wiki so forth in and get your jellybeans on if you're wanting to run that you have to wonder these things are being leaked on purpose at this point we are horizon where somebody's just like you know what I'm so freaking fed up with verizon and their stall like fine we're just Malika I I honestly don't think there really are leaks anymores is there okay we've internally tested the hell out of this now let's leak it and have tech beta testers yeah manchester's yeah exactly all the bone is beta testing radios and roms forum because we find bugs then their engineers go out there and look at all the Android blog news site so it look with all these problems people are finding you know like that's all it is it's there's no such thing as a leak people don't leave smartphones and bars you know it was the way that when is the iphone 5 gonna show up in a bar soon you know i don't think at all okay alright so that you joined stuff and talk about that apple stuff least for an hour 30 seconds when we talk about patent wars that's uh so the HTC HTC Thunderbolt del on the last show you talked about how it received a ice cream sandwich you know almost your OS week well it was supposed to drop by the end of august and my calendar that was three days ago and it did not drop so Thunderbolt owners keep your fingers crossed that you come in the near future hopefully here's logo yep hey and last but up though we have two things let's talk about four devices uh till ice cream sandwich for the t-mobile galaxy 10.1 is available via kies so go ahead and get ice yes for your tab 10.1 if you're on t-mobile BF it put me at ease it's not coming over the air update so yeah grab the USB cable download go to samsung's website download keys install it download be updating and flash it that way last but not least let's talk about kindle fire rumors so here in a few days we're going to hear about some kindle fires next week or this week then the week we're gonna be talking about them so far rumors are putting it as 27 inch devices no 10 inch devices so far but the neatest thing in my opinion is one of those going to be ad based similar to the e-readers so we're going to have an ad based kindle fire where the whenever you turn on the display an ad will pop up when the tablet wakes up you know so I don't think about that it's supposedly it's going to be it's going to be the cheapest the cheapest 7-inch tablet to date so it maybe it'll be a hundred bucks because it's add support and they would be 150 bucks because ad-supported who knows but it's a very interesting concept would you be willing to spend fifty dollars or a hundred dollars less to see an advertisement taking them you know taking up your screen for on how many seconds you may be in five seconds three so one just to strictly get the hard work yeah I was gonna say get the memory of the hardware put us right yeah well I think that's a by watching at the the as important morning then just don't you by the hundred dollars off yeah it's important version wipe that bad boy in put jelly on you know exactly wait a month somebody will put jelly bean on it you know I think that's a wise choice you know what Scott I would never thought you thinking that you know now that you're running voices that are routing wrong you're all about the the routing in Roman aren't you a ruler Robin my god you have to edit that out the wasn't the people CEO that said something about five tablets from Kindle or from yeah that was an initial rumor there was a rumor that we're getting like a 10 inch version an LTE version uh you know a 7-inch like very very version and then a 7-inch like HD screen version like there's all sorts of rumors but I guess we'll find out about three days I there for me too I think two is a much more realistic target of them I mean amazon Kelly please baby blanketing the market like Samsung does it's gonna be six out no one knows they're going to be successful doing it people that already have a kindle fire are gonna want to get the latest and greatest one maybe no you know we'll see I think people on the market for Twitter dollar device aren't necessarily looking for the latest and greatest unlike let me upgrade over year kind of asos you're okay you're right you're right well Emma's on did announced last week the beginning a week that the kindle fire original version had completely sold out and it was complete success capturing twenty-two percent of the tablet market that's impressive for one device manufacturer yeah definitely and one Android especially for Android because the Android tablets aren't as popular is uh iOS tablets yet yet yeah so so let's talk sense we talked about iOS let's let's talk about patent wars here Dan's favorite subject so we're going to hear ranting there's not not yet alright so Apple added the samsung galaxy s3 the Galaxy Nexus the note 10.1 and note 2 to the infringement list so they're seeking injunction about devices that just came out we're bound to come out and what that would do is it would temporarily ban said devices from selling being imported here in the US until the actual court hearing and my first initial thought that is so they're going after the Galaxy Nexus which is stalk and drawing so they're going after Android and some of the patents were around data tapping which is why HTC's devices were blocked a few months ago but jellybean I thought resolved that issue completely so I'm curious as to how that'll how that will pan out you have any thoughts on that banner Scott well it's important to realize that this isn't some kind of change to the case that Apple just won a couple of weeks ago it was a totally separate case that is confusingly being handled by the exact same judge Craig the exact same court it is a totally separate set of patents that are an issue this is the one where they didn't add the Galaxy Nexus to it the Galaxy Nexus was on the list all along this is the case where they got the preliminary injunction on the Galaxy Nexus that then got tossed all that they're doing is adding the sgs3 and these newer devices to the lens yeah in the note note to you the only reason these weren't on the list in the first place is because they would have had to wait to file the case at all until now until the devices came out so everybody knew they were going to add these to them when they filed the case months ago because they had been on the list when they filed the case months ago and then we're basically told well you can't add these because they don't exist you know this is just following the same argument with the design patents know what what patents are they attacking these are all software patents okay this is the the data tapping two of them are universal search related one of them works towards Syria and one of them were sort of just generically searching everything across the device um and a couple of other odds and ends of software that's not design patents okay this one should be interesting though yeah it's also worth noting that the Galaxy Nexus is only at issue for a couple of them not all of them okay so I think about half of the patents are just touch with specific and then the others are potentially core android okay all right so let's talk about the possibility of an iphone 5 with LTE well let's stop right there and not think that it's a possibility question the next iPhone is going to have LTE or they're going to lose their two biggest carriers exactly 18teen verizon will not release another device that does not have LTE they have made that very clear from very long time if they're so one if you're still wondering then you're just yeah we're doing so they are going to have a refugee from rising will flat out refuse to sell it if it doesn't have LTE so later this week we're going to find out the iPhone 5 has ltd samsung samsung has said that they own roughly ten percent of all of the 4g LTE pads and Apple has repeatedly argued that the certain patents that Samsung does own on 4G LTE should be made industry standards due to their broad sweeping nature now I think we've heard that before going the other direction but we'll get to that second so fast yes that's right Paddington rectangle is not broad and sweeping in nature but patenting a very specific radio technology that's too broad sorry though Samsung Robin really is that Apple didn't invent any single part of any of their I devices that allow them to connect to anything else their innovation has been in product design and to a lesser extent within the operating system anything that allows any of those devices to in any way shape or form connect to anything else in the world was built by somebody else exactly so so Samsung has confirmed that they will seek immediate legal action if Apple releases an iphone 5 with LTE since they own a large portion of those paths so the problem Samson's going to have here is the Apple is legitimately buying its LTE products right like they are just infringing and making their own illegal infringing te radio they're buying it from somebody that mixels earrings I would assume qualcomm because they're really the only option well done sangel and confirm that but there's actually going to go after it iphone 5 in and you know if the iPad Mini is announced you know time if they're going to go after that now apparently the wording is they didn't go after the ipad LTE version because they then feel they needed to they but now after recent recent developments but you know the billion-dollar lawsuit they decided that they're you know they're gonna fight back there they're not have any more of it I'm not sure about that strategy on Samsungs part I mean if you look at the the new iPad with LTE right the chip that it's using to habits ltd compatibility built by Qualcomm I'm sure Apple has some agreement whereby they buy these chicks from Qualcomm with the understanding that they sort of get well cons IP from it too great lake I don't see Samsung going after every other device that's been released with that same chip which the list starts with the Thunderbolt so there's a lot of LTE devices using that exact same ship from you and I'm not a lawyer but if you go after one device you'd have to get your company to have to go after them all correct but not necessarily but if you're saying that Apple's LTE is infringing and all of apple's LTE is encompassed within their agreement with Qualcomm to buy those physical chips I mean I don't know if that's if that's the case right there might be some sort of other gray area of for genus that's not covered by the hardware I just don't see those being likely wait I mean they're getting their their hardware from the same place that everybody else in the industry is getting their ltd hardware they're getting a Qualcomm and I I just don't see Qualcomm not being in a position to have the ipod back up that product samsung may hold ten percent of all the patents on 4G LTE good Qualcomm has a big chunk to ya uh Eric Kaufmann has a question won't know what data tapping dad is capping is the intense so when you click on a phone number it pops up and says do you want to open this with phone or with google voice or with groove IP are you tapping a Lincoln pops up and asked you want to use Chrome browser or Firefox oh my god are they going to attack their iOS platform for or actually uh Chrome on iOS four heading up well reply you know oddly enough a google search you know the new jelly bean Google search was supposed to come to iOS and for some reason it's still a lot there so yeah he said we mean sitting in Apple Apple approval hell yeah but thrives that chroma was allowed to do that now that's time Joe and I wonder if Apple will tout the Google search if they do accept it into the App Store if they will tout it as one of their features of their phones well it's better than their own search it's better than series agreed but women's if they just help that as a feature and say hey we just released the amount it might add is a feature then they gotta pay Google every time they say Google's name okay what are they gonna say that they have a new search up I mean they could say something like hundreds of other voice storage apps including yeah and like just show a panel of search results that include the google voice thing you'll ever show up in the store I do just because at some point Apple's obstinance will draw the ire of higher powers yeah Apple tried to to keep google voice out of the market for quite some time as well until basically became clear their choice was allow this in or watch the FCC beat the crap out of here yeah I mean when your flat said it well you're not allowed to sell anything in this market that we have hedge amount of control over because it competes with us it's pretty hard to stand up to head anti-competition suit when your entire purpose for not allowing it as saying I don't want there to be competition makes it pretty clear that you're behaving in an again too competitive way yeah I agree well I have one last thing to say about Pat Wars there's a there's been some talk around the bay area that apples Tim Cook and Google's Larry Page about patents so they're those rumors that they're playing meet playing to sit down talk to figure out you know where to go from here what to do is remember google is also our ramsaran motorolla which is it which is google it is fighting back as well they are seeking injunction against every device but how do they offer you every device that uh that apple owns no wait I think not the what is it the mac mini and the tower max they're still making them yeah if they're still making the edge with mobile devices would throw the ipod touch the i bring back the power and air every ipod every iphone or ipad that is on the market so there yeah in my opinion if Apple is willing to talk they think they may they may lose that suit so that's good you know we need to get rid of software patents or change the system or something so finding a common ground the settlement a resolution outside the court system that's what we need to do a great yeah well uh let's do some wrap up on this holiday um you guys enjoy your weekends you know what I do enough you notice how long weekend you guys get work off yeah over stuff like a five or six day weekend and I had a problem with not an airline so that's why we didn't air the show friday night it happened well basically I got I got stuck at the airport because the the first officer decided not to show up for work so so you know 250 people on how many people on the plane you know decided to mijita he decided to screw everybody over right now shut up for work and backup pilots for that kind of thing yeah I would assume I would assume our backup pilot or the other so there's you know a dude you can call we know but not that flight was delayed for like two hours so I missed my connecting flight and was stuck in the year old stomping grounds dan I was down DC area stuck at Dulles Airport i couldnt get a flight home to the next day so that was awesome um so yeah so we didn't do the new show friday night because the United Airlines now interesting enough United Airlines just released a google play app so yeah maybe your problems would have been 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