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welcome to android authority on here the original android hangouts show on google+ I'm Derek Ross and I'm Scott Emerson and this week we are returning guest Johnathan Franklin fellow android enthusiast and our resident ranter Dan Charlton you love him you hate him he hates various CPUs he codes he does all sorts of crazy stuff dan welcome to show John welcome to the show what's up guys it's a crazier introduction every single week it does continue to have to build off of previous experience eventually we have an entire show just introducing Dan so was the skull are we talking about besides that I'd and this week we're going to talking about the number of Android device activations that was released at a motorola event um we're going to be going over some ICS and jelly bean updates for phones and carriers also some app updates / releases also some new devices and rumored upcoming devices and we are going to be giving away an Android thority odd t-shirt so yeah alright so if you're watching this right now it may be a little bit of deja vu yesterday we tried to do it it had some technical difficulties but we're back we're back in action here so let's get started Scylla is is scotts away a little bit of Android activation news so if you want to go back in June Andy Rubin announced that there was nine hundred thousand Android devices being activated per day just under a million about a month later at google io 2012 google announced that over a million devices were being activated daily fast forward til this past week and motorola's on display event in New York City Eric Schmidt announced that the total number of device activations had now surpassed 1.3 million per day and out of those 1.3 million 70,000 of them were tablets to date there is almost half a billion 480 million Zach Android devices that have been activated around the world that's pretty crazy that's a lot of devices Android is is a is a freight train that cannot be stopped so following activations we say well all these activations yes what are they running all these devices running well jelly bean is starting to slowly creep up there jelly bean has one-point-two percent you know what though that's not bad and it's been out what six weeks yeah and and those are mainly Nexus devices you know only Nexus devices yeah yeah so that you know that that's not that um faster than I see us was yeah yeah Ice Cream Sandwich was John said ice cream sandwich is still slowly gaining traction it's sitting at about twenty one percent right now um it's been out for what was announced last October first devices came out in November so it's going it's going on close to a year right now it's only about twenty one percent honeycomb is still in there about two percent for someone known reason manufacturers update your tablets please and gingerbread is still rocking 57% I don't expect the the progression of Ice Cream Sandwich to be somewhat similar to I think was Claire we're sort of it took a while for it to start catching on and then sort of picked up a little ground and then was just eaten alive by froze domination very quickly right like I think this might be the high water mark for ice cream sandwich and ice cream sandwich is gonna start disappearing to jelly jelly beans more of a latter one never let lateral move it's a minor step up with the framework yes not nearly as major as gender Brett gingerbread ice cream sandwiches by far the most you know even Erin Android yeah even from Android zone beginning it's more significant than anything we've ever seen for PGL drivers and stuff yep so Scott speaking of device activations in Ice Cream Sandwich and jelly bean updates a few devices that updated this week not as much as we'd like but if you did right yeah for Springs we got the Galaxy Nexus on the nexus s 4g they're getting jelly bean this was announced yesterday as a phased rollout and this is kind of a you it's an over-the-air update which is great don't have to use Kai's but 480 ICS update for the Samsung Captivate Glide not started yesterday as well but that is an update through kies or keys however you want to put onto it whatever floats your boat I think he's jesus i can set the carry us we're some player update because they don't want to have to put the data transfer bill let's talk about keys are quick and android updates all these devices that are getting ice cream sandwich from samsung via keys or causes God says you know they're they're only being updated in my opinion by the tech savvy the average person isn't going to know to download software put another computer plug your device in to see if there's an update unless they're being told by their carrier you know getting a message and email a text message or whatever you know i mean it most people aren't going to know that and then plus most people don't want to have to go through that hassle all just to give up big most people don't care about updates so i think the problem with your your argument about it being just for the tech savvy is the tech savvy right first of all don't have samsung passive glides and second of all already have rooted vices yeah oh really this is for the consumer that happens to want to look and is complaining about not getting an update yeah a buddy of mine i working today oh well no you need to plug it in and do all this crap to get your update like oh it's out there Joe playing loss yeah well that's like a buddy of mine I work with he uh he has a samsung tablet and he had to get it through keys and he was talking with me about it he basically said you know if you wouldn't have told me about it and told me I had to go do this I would have never done yeah you know and said so that your job as a tech savvy person though if you know somebody has a samsung tablet and the updates coming through keys or phones going through keys you know let them know no get their ice cream sandwich on form I think it's just Samsung's cheaping out on that one cuz Epton deming baby your bed bet to pay the carriers to push the OTA update i think is just a way for them to try to circumvent having to pay that I don't know that they have to pay our carriers for it I like I don't know that that's the hold up i think the carriers are are sort of the problem in this not so much samsung i finished still have to go through the approval process but i don't know if there's a separate fee to actually you know bandwidth wise push the OTA or not I don't know how that factors in because you're going to tie up their own people to test the software you might as well go ahead and push it through and just get it over with but they're also pushing Keys based updates for Wi-Fi only devices yeah we cannot new is that does take the whole carrier aspect out of the equation because for the tablets that are Wi-Fi only it's not a carrier issue it's just Samsung being lazy so is it them not wanting to you know download a massive update over Wi-Fi thinking that somebody might be downloading an update and then walk away from their hot spot and then have the download be corrupt or something now it's not that hard to have the download self check for complete oh I know they could definitely do an integrity check all right so let's uh let's talk about some app updates here this week we had one big one for some people ah Scott uh utorrent utorrent beta hit the Play Store basically it's a torrent a searcher and downloader and it's popular on desktops and laptops and it's kind of nice having it come to the phone so you said we've done is it actually a torrent client percent to our client yeah it's a hundred percent of our client which is really awesome but the search functionality just searches google which is kind of funny yeah so but you can recharge this has been taken down for dmca reasons yeah and this you can subscribe to RSS feeds if you got things that you want to download something to release every week or something like that they also you can set upload and download limits which is nice as well so I it's in beta it's strongly in bed right now um but it's getting there that's pretty cool for a tablet that you have mentally definitely previous BitTorrent based apps i've seen have just been sort of controllers for a desktop app yep always seemed pretty stupid to me yep yeah that the utorrent uh remote or whatever you know that I've used before to log into my desktop and control it you know control the torrent actions from there it was helpful from time to time but no I wish the whole thing on earth yeah but there will I mean will I want to download torrents to my phone then you know what I mean like I need to do this but hey you can if you want to remember a few episodes back about Hayes a server in your pocket or you decided to baby well enter utorrent it's all we're saying yeah that's true I mean if your alts units point your distribution of linux to put on it yeah yeah so uh devices this week amazon scott came out with a whole bunch of new players of the game huh yeah kindle fire one $149 kindle fire HD 7-inch for 199 which ships September 14th that's a in all about a week little less than a week's is yeah and then kindle fire HD 8.9 inch two hundred ninety nine dollars and ships sometime in november and there's an LTE version for 499 dollars yeah they thing comes with a fifty dollar a year subscription to 250 megabytes of data a month on AT&T LTE only that's just weird yeah Yello whole thing of this is weird these are also all three of them ad-supported so it basically turns your lock screen into an amazon advertisement screensaver page and the 250 megabyte allowance goes good to download all those ass nice high resolution image and everything here you are okay Don extremely small LTE footprint you get all of the ads that Amazon can throw your way yeah okay so to be to be you know a realist on this here we're making fun of it cuz they're only giving you 250 mega month but it only costs 50 bucks and for the most part everywhere you're using it for the majority of time most people use a tablet you're at home your work your hotel at airport coffee shop restaurant you're somewhere that has Wi-Fi so for the few times that you just need to check something yep 250 250 mega for a couple times a month really isn't that bad it only cost you fifty bucks you also have to be in one of the 12 AT&T LTE places Wow well that was it was Chromebooks Chromebooks were giving you a hundred megabytes of verizon 3g for free yeah and not only that the female readers give you 250 megs a month for free dan you don't have to use LTE it'll romana clearly network my understanding was that it was LTE only no no it'll know there's 10 radios than that thing if it's 10 billion 10 bands it'll it'll work on three teams AT&T only I'm not busy I don't know but if it fits because that's who they got to make their deal with but it will work on 3g it's not just not just Forgione so you can you can use it in areas without you get other data plans or you just stuck with this fifty dollar a year or Twitter 50 megabytes and that's it I'm not a hundred percent sure how that works but that you do any amazon isn't exactly forthcoming with details about all the little hidden caches in these much like they didn't bother mentioning they had supported nature of all threads yes how you can't opt out of that yet yeah yet long and when you can you have to basically tack an extra unknown maybe 20 maybe 30 maybe fifty dollars on to the sale price of all of these more we're assuming it's going to be somehow unsubsidized but it mean that's just our assumption yeah I mean it's the assumption based on what their previous prod Tibetan right like I had supported you readers that you pay 30 bucks to get rid of the ads on them and then move on so yes we had thirty dollars i'm gonna cost of all these all three of these tablets Oh Dustin brand 250 megs it isn't 50 bucks a month it's fifty dollars a year yeah for 250 a month Turner 50 megabytes month I don't know I think it's nothing I if I had that on my Nexus 7 I would lie pay 50 bucks right now to use to 50 meg of of mobile data in a jam if i can tell you downloaded your three songs then what are you gonna do next what kind of funds you don't go in my car and I need to do something real quick people write a lot to look and it was done with the long symphonies so you know the rim is known for daddy right 310 it's not meant for content consumption over 3g it's meant for quick no that's exactly what it's meant for Jeff Bezos made it very clear these aren't gadgets their entire purpose is to provide you with a service that is correct with it with a 4g 3g the motivator HD movie a month well think about it though what you're praying for your carrier you're getting literally 3 gigabytes of data a year for 50 bucks which is a year yeah I mean you're paying 50 bucks a year but still you can pay fifty dollars say a month on the carrier and get five gigabytes worth of data so yeah they know and for me Birdman it's not is it a deal I mean I was a different use case for me personally I don't need five gig on my Nexus 7 of mobile data I need good I need the few times i'm out somewhere maybe and I don't you know I've never tested it because I haven't needed it yet so what does i just i just made comparatively about the value of it 3 gigabytes worth of data 450 bucks is not exactly that much of a deal no for 35 a month you can get unlimited from t-mobile yeah okay oh who adds would it be given the hardware and we'll go over that would it be worthwhile to flash and just your own rom on it and get rid of those ads would it be worth while at the prices that they're offered right now to just buy the hard work so no no no on all three editions dan you you're not a fan go now I know that the the little guy that the revamped the new kindle fire minutes it's rocking the roughly the same hardware you know the Galaxy Nexus hello not even the same hardware as the Galaxy Nexus not even good it's using a lesser 000 during that process or correct yeah yeah so and and that technology is a year old right now so it put its hundred fifty nine bucks it was it worth 150 nine bucks I'm pretty sure you can get a Galaxy Nexus 4 about that price in remember well remember the Nexus 7 it is uh oh that's right what he'd get something that's mother Joyce is good I did well we're just dollars or hardware and come with you know a $25 credit so that brings it to price down plus it depend on google wallet which brings the price down and it's a free yeah its head free which brings the price down further and the software implementation is 50 gazillion times better oh yeah and the list goes on but the thing is one thing I do like is do micro HDMI out on the the new kindle or the house the new fire on the new fire HD right yeah I'm high quality nice things it has more storage space I don't know if it has expandable storage but I know it does have more space only other than that it's got absolutely nothing that even compares to the quality of the Nexus 7 it's got the same resolution screen but it's LCD which is not as high-quality as the IPS that's in the Nexus 7 hi it's got the same processor that's in the galaxy nexus we keep referring to the little guy the the right the kindle fire about it let's talk about now let's talk about the HD then the 7 inch HD for 199 yeah LCD screen so not as good as the one in the nexus 7 the same ship that's in the galaxy nexus s so not i mean a good processor when it came out a year ago yeah but it's not exactly impressive anymore now what about the whole marketing ploy about how it has the Wi-Fi antennas demanded my mobile support my mode means multiple in multiple out so basically it can connect multiple times to the same access points you get faster connections so it was what that means like right now if you have a say a wireless-n network your Galaxy Nexus or your nexus 7 will only connected like 65 megabit I believe even if you you're sitting right beside you're not gonna connect any faster than that but what they're saying is you'll be able to connect a lot faster up to what's what's wireless-n 250 Meg to something like that long enough so you will well I said I know it worked i connect to 250 megabit on the end on my laptop so you'll be able to connect it at least that now you so so that they're selling that is their marketing plan with this that you can connect so much faster well remember what the neat thing about internet access is is you're only as fast as your weakest link so most of the country is sitting there it thought an average okay pils 8 megabit per second project action in the country is the average let's even talk about me for I comcast I have 30 mega bit so the 65 megabit that my nexus 7 connects that is still twice as fast as what something can be thrown at me so then you could argue all the weight maybe they're talking about local networks but these are devices meant to download stuff from Amazon's Cloud yeah that that's just a bunch of fluff for people that don't really know what this needs it's really not that big of a deal okay it is this is pretty much the same thing as Samsung advertising for their as yet non-existent a 15 processor that it's going to have a camera what it is Wi-Fi display which is basically Samsung inventing some new title to put on something that absolutely everything else can already do yeah nothing special just something for Hammett on Amazon try and brag about to try and make people think that they're putting out good products when in fact they're really not it's nice to see them continue to use Android as their base though I do like that and they've improved it to ICS up from wasn't built on froyo before yep so the next one will be built on jellybean probably or you live among the key line will be I think key lime will probably be a more major a software update than jellybean know if they'll have really have time to do what they I don't know what key lon is gonna bring either okay well let's not get into that yes yea though i just made based on their slowness to react to what they have so let's recap here for everybody watching so even it no matter what what version the LTE version for 500 bucks g 8.9 inch for 299 the 7 inch HD for 199 of the 159 in dope regular kindle fire dan any of these uh you would recommend troops any people i'm in any case i'll circumstance know how about you John can't say that I'm necessarily would over a nexus 7 though what about if somebody is already on the the Amazon ecosystem you're already using Amazon's Cloud for music they're ready using amazon mp3 either their prime member you know they're already maybe they have amazon movies on their blu-ray player or TV or something I you there already part of the Amazon Cloud it don't work if your Prime member i think is the main advantages i don't think that it really has an advantage in that I think the question is not so much are you an Amazon user as are you only ever going to use Amazon if you only ever use Amazon the same way that iphone users only ever use itunes for any of their content that they want to consume ever then sure go ahead and get a kindle but if you want to have the option to use amazon and potentially any number of other content providers no i don't i wouldn't recommend getting the kindle reader app on any other android device you can get your kindle movies a pond that's the point Android allows you to access other content systems I'm sorry but Android that we know it allows you to access other content systems where as you know the kindle fires version of android again you can't do that without you know a little bit know how so you say yeah I I wouldn't be read and putting another version of Android on us oh yeah yeah exactly exactly I think anytime you've got the option of a equivalent operating system where you have one that treats a third party as a first class citizen versus one that tries to close you and lock you in you'd be dumb to recommend the one that just locks them down to one particular when they have an open ecosystem that gives them options yeah doesn't make sense why lock yourself into a company that might fall apart three years later right no right for somebody that is tied into the Amazon content community there's no reason why they can't use a nexus 7 to access that yeah but for somebody that's maybe a little bit in Amazon but also a little bit in Google's content system or a little bit into other smaller retailers they can't so much do that on the kindle fires so so the next question is because these things the previous edition version of these sold twenty two percent of the u.s. tablet market and they sold a ton of these so is it going to sell more than the nexus 7 you don't like a fix them because just because they I wouldn't be surprised when way or the other well I think it will because it's well known I mean it's a well known product everyone knows what a kindle fires not everybody knows what a nexus 7 is or a nexus or a nexus nexus endure what Google has done a better job advertising the Nexus 7 and they have nexus devices in the past and I have not done what I would think is good enough they need to give it in a retail store like a best buyer one of the most popular ones and stuff just was it staples and you know a couple of others I mean they need to get an outlet for them yeah I mean it's just they need to really do better making deals with retail partners well I mean the other thing is Google's still release him just getting into the con yep ethereal hardware producing sort of mode they're getting there you will the Nexus Q can be released again yeah I wonder if they're going to do another event for two I mean I think that will depend on when they do it it might just end up going sort of sitting on a shelf until next I out it might okay so let's move on to more to roll up Derek you want to take that I'll talk for a little bit i like to talk to my motorola yeah exactly so motorola did some neat stuff this week they in my opinion their announcement was hey look this is what google was doing with the company we are Google now this is the new motorola be excited for the new motorola you know Motorola's going to do things in my in my opinion the first few minutes of the speech or the first 10 minutes of the speech mean when Eric Schmidt was talking was basically throwing around Google's cloud in my opinion stating you know this is what this is what we're doing and I'm excited I am I would recommend these phones to people actually I have recently to two co-workers um to Motorola announced the finally the upgrade to the razor the razr HD and they announced the upgrade to the razr maxx which the razr maxx HD and they announced a new little guy which i'll actually very excited for the razr m I think out of all three of those devices I mean in my opinion don't even go for the the razr HD we'll get to that minute don't even talk about that guy you know if you're going to get a razr HD go for the one that has to bed battery life yeah and and then the raise our rent but they're all very very similar specs basically except for the battery and the screen um said we owe money to get into the majority of Oh mean they have 1.5 gigahertz dual-core s4 cesara get your ram 32 gig of internal storage till everybody you know there once storage with me at times on the device I think the regular razor and the hem are smaller but the max is bigger the men yeah exactly um you have an 8 megapixel camera 1.3 megapixel front-facing camera you know the the razr HD has a 2500 mAh battery and the milliamp hours on the on the amaz ittle bit smaller than that coming in at two thousand and the maxx HD is a little bit bigger coming in at 3,300 which gives you a hours of web browsing 32 hours of mixed usage so I hate those numbers those hours of usage if you're a heavy user you can suck that battery down as fast as you please so I take that with a grain of salt just like driving a car but miles per gallon is how fast you go so yeah it's the battery on those fingers are meant for the presentation is what 27 hours of talk time 21 and I don't know it's a fun it is I will give it credit as a friend of mine has the original RAZR MAXX and yet last forever yeah i mean the original RAZR MAXX is one of the longest lasting LTE devices on the market it's not hardware is it all it's all battery capacity because that's like things a home at just like the Galaxy Nexus hands and we know how bad it is all better now but these phones they kept touting about you know how fat how long the battery is going to last on all of them the main one of the main points of the the announcement was that they want a phone that lasts all day long they don't have to struggle at the end of the day hoping oh god I hope I make it home from work so I need to charge my phone these phones will you're gonna go to bed at night and you don't need to charge your phone until you know to the next day you know these though maybe on minimal usage will last for two or three days but it's triggered and we have to be able to browse the web using chrome for 48 hours straight I mean that's that's what the Nexus the next Nexus 7 does that it does 10 hours so it's almost as good as your nexus 7 owners it almost last as long as that for web browsing and that's LTE too I mean that's not using Wi-Fi it's using the big battery Corbin LTE is saying of self that that's not bad that's exciting um said they have the the you know Kevlar casing on it just like the previous uh razor devices corning gorilla glass yes you I'm sure we'll see some fun drop tests here in the near future but one of the most exciting things for me was the razr m which has a larger display even though it's only a 4.3 inch screen smaller display yeah they're so a smaller display or point 7 verse 4.3 4.3 being me out yes and it's lots of qhd rather than 720 and keep you in mind 4.3 doesn't include hardware keys either like if you think about a film 3 like a thunderbolt glad you got 4.3 plus hardware keys you got 4.3 including the software keys on the M so it's effectively closer to a 4-inch display as far as what you're yes don't forget that the lack of a bezel the screen its edge to edge it is not edge to edge but it is very close to that it is a smalls buzzle that's out but it is its first of all you know the average person is not going to no damn if there's a millimeter of the bezel there it's virtually the average person can tell ya it the average person isn't something good on that when they see space between getting along really entered the device they think gee I don't see an edge there now remember the bezel isn't the plastic on the side we're talking about the glass vessel you're never gonna have a display without some level of bezel on it yeah even as flexible displays for samsung have about three millimeters but there's definitely plastic on the side after say no but man maybe someone these days I guess yeah I can never say never yeah when we may have a project dryer sooner or later yeah technology surprises us all the time so similar series rarely it's barely wider than an iphone which is impressive enough weren't they saying it has what forty percent more screen than an iphone it's amazing song is longer than iphone obviously but it's like within was like within a millimeter of the width of an iphone with a 4.3 instruments are very when probably did they were telling you how they had seventy eight percent more pixels this is not the end but the the max and they know our percent more color saturation yeah yeah so it's been the iphone 4s oh yeah the iphone 4s is going to be replaced and but they use that is a comparison set the bar that it's seventeen eighty percent you know better characteristics for the screen yeah i think is also way for them highlighting the fact that these devices are in fact not look alikes yeah so bring it Apple try it to us this doesn't look like anything like your products okay so let's move on to their on Motorola's announced new exchange program basically this this is a program by motorola saying that if devices were made in 2011 and washing 2011 and they don't get updated to jellybean that customers will be offered a hundred dollar credit to buy a new motorola phone hannah cool yeah that's considering yeah i think i like it i mean if my demise listen get it i go on a par top that's that's nice yeah i mean it i suppose it's better than other carriers just say oh no we're gonna get to it we promise three years later yeah motorola gets slammed a lot for lack of updates but samsung is the jump substantially worse i mean i don't know wise Motorola's pinned out as being one of the worst one for the updates but up takes their outs of the loader locking mm-hmm and was even the galaxy s3 on verizon had a encrypted butta butta of course it got cracked but that's beside the point they're starting to lock them down now on verizon so that's a carry everything the not a yeah yeah just you're comparing with the razor would you know which is on verizon too so it's it's kind of a lateral thing but you know motorola has been better not not quite as good as HTC has been passed about updates but they're better than samsung and LG yeah and I wonder how hard verizon is going to push these razors cuz i know they push the razors before pretty hard like all the razor before was the number one marketing thing of all time by Verizon Wireless it also the iphone 4s during a corner so they they didn't know when the Galaxy Nexus came out you know they they didn't try to what we all know they didn't try and sell them yeah that when I was talking to the various verizon wraps multiple of them told me that that the razor was the number one marketed phone of all time they never in terms of money spent on advertising in the push for it so I'm trying to talk me out of buying our galaxy right now than ever before what's that Dan car that's just that the cost of advertising continues to go up so it costs more to get the same amount of advertising now than it did yesterday well yes but they also may be spent more money but they also spend more percentage of the money to on advertising for it well I'm not gonna push a Galaxy Nexus because it doesn't have v cast on it it doesn't have the carrier after they're making money off of it and like they try to talk me out of getting Galaxy Nexus you'd think that they're just actively sort of selling against it at least like it greatly Google support that yeah well yeah I mean I mean I they tried to talk me out of it and I got an own launch day it wasn't they know it wasn't like oh and we got this historical daddy that says you know it may be crappy as possible Nexus ever that's crazy I I just seen a couple customers getting talked out of the iphone 4s strictly because of the LTE but that's been a main decider as well as the battery life they've been pushing them towards the razor which I understand that I mean you're a customer more satisfied if they're in charge at last and it has all te spoor they're gonna be happier motorola hit the nail on the head with a RAZR MAXX for the average consumer because yeah but then they came out with eight different versions and then they kind of pasting from each other just smoking off all of the previous customers yeah so they need to come up with I would argue that they should not have the razr HD I agree with now I know people that chose to get the HD as opposed to the max because they didn't care about the extra battery life I don't think that it's a problem for them to have the two different offerings I think it's a problem for them to offer them at two different times okay Oh goners there's like a millimeter worth a difference between the two devices form factor wise now I don't think because of that I think most people wouldn't even notice but maybe gotta mean obviously you save a little bit of money i guess i mean it's 20 but 2500 milliamp hours is pretty generous even for a base offering that's much more than I mean that's more than the galaxy s3 has that's more than any other phone i can think of on the market has as a base option but 3300 you got a 3300 million power battery combined with a Snapdragon s4 it's gonna last a long time so it seemed so John Dan Scott I have a question for you a lot of people were yelling complaining that you know motorola which is now owned by google is putting out phones that don't have stock Android horns it all comes with blur down with motor oil comes the blur so my question to you is what do you think of what I'll call the new blur the the blur that was demoed on the phones have you watched any of the demo videos that are on YouTube other than it used to be which is nice I think that's I mean they sort of go on the same direction as HTC with lightening it up but also I mean as much as people keep going out about these are the first phones coming out for motorola after it's a google take over first of all that's demonstrable false because the motorola Photon Q with the first device to come out from Motorola after the takeover and second of all these devices are coming out too soon after the takeover to have had any significant Google influence in their developers I I'd say the next group of big phones yeah maybe might be considered the first homes but i'm thinking maybe after that even will be true hey this is what Google is doing with Motorola this is what our vision is for the operating system on motorola yeah calvin cycle on these devices is easily a year yeah so we've got some time to figure out what they're actually they're true visions going to be but right now I think that they've gone in the right direction for the for the time being yeah no I think they've made a big step in the right direction I'm not sort of staggeringly impressed with any of their devices I think they're roughly the same as the 1 series and coming out six months later but I don't think they're bad devices I think they're just as good as the other top end devices on the market i just think they're six months late to the party when these things don't have removable batteries correct no no okay there are the reasons why they can make them as thin as they do yeah we're clear the software is a marked improvement over what it honestly like the software on those better than I do touch with and sense right now they did add some cool stuff even with the current edition with the razr HD like you can swipe to the left and get your quick settings real quick that was about my favorites might be there left or swiping to the right to add a new screens it's out as obvious that they're paying attention I mean uh there's a stockist it's not stock but it's not offensive yeah now the clock widget how each of them don't you know does something different you know each of the three little circles like sets up your notifications and brings up settings and so forth and you know just wipe up on the phone icons and the other to peak until your phone calls and time in have added some stuff that's useful you know you got for our lock screen shortcuts I'll tell you what it's not a bloated skin in my opinion you know and I hate corners you know I just did that it's not a bloated the custom framework yeah yet because custom framework it isn't it's it's not bloated it's not bad I I run it I would have not disgusted looking at it or anything there have been like TouchWiz makes me the nature of us it was the most no yeah now I want earn it and you know stabbing the net with a knife but I mean uh and I actually I kind of like the fact that you're starting with home won home screen because i really don't populate all five home screens on the neck i usually use three yeah i have a widget or two but yeah i never use more than two or three I've got one that has all my settings and stuff and I've got one that has all my bein used apps and I've got my widgets it's I just don't see a need to have I mean I see need that some people might have that many by like the fact that you're not forced to use a set amount of home screen yes that is that underlying great thing about it and I do like the fact that the like Derek was talking about the multi-use widgets mm-hmm I do like that yeah I don't think of every time you look at a custom piece of software they kind of have to have a signature motorola used to have the swipe down contact widget but it's kind of sense you look at a flip call you know even if it's beautiful widgets and you look at a flip clock you think since you don't think that's just a cool android widget you just automatically think HTC sense yeah that's very true so I guess the question is is how many home screens do you have OD can you have now how many do you have well you can have seven on blood of the noogler servants and um so let's go around I mean OMG i so how many homeless on which device on my phone oh yeah you know what I I've gone for a stringent over a minimal know we're gonna talk I want a minimalistic effect in the past in the past year I'll say I i used to have all sorts of seen the widgets or the place you know app icons folders everywhere you know in multiple multiple home screens I only use three now and they're very barren they have each of them you know only the clock widget on the home screen a couple folders very clean you swipe left I have you know some folder shortcuts in one widget you swipe right I have widgets and some more folder shortcuts like I kind of have like you know work stuff on one side and Derek fun geek out stuff on the other side you know like and I like it clean and simple and my galaxy and that's my galaxy nexus my phone on my Nexus 7 for a while I actually ran stock UI with you know the play recommendations everywhere just just you know because I gave it to me why not and I got tired of it I had to go clean and and that's how it is now it's the same thing as my phone I have three screens have a widgets one way couple folders the other way you know to find them work and play you know one side the other net I like it clean and I'm like it I don't like it cluttered and dirty Scott how about you all right there I also have three my phone of my tablet source and I pretty much the same where I've got to calendar and google voice widgets on the main page and then full-page your email or Google+ on the to your sides but you got I'm the same way i use amount use a pretty stock compiled version of jelly bean but i only use three of the screens on the actual stock launcher i mean i just i have all my main applications and folders on the main screen and then i have the bookmarks widget and i've got a gmail widget on the other and that's pretty much it yeah i don't use a ton of applications though yeah i use three screens as well my last three is maylee settings and root apps then middle is just mainly used apps things I access more than 5 m's of 8 and then on the right I got my five wickets but I started out with android though I used seven plus i used a lot and I mean were you guys the same way that night I used to use all seven home screens on SBS it's kind of weird let you host all the screens because you know it's new and it's available to you but then you realize wait I can be way more efficient with my space here I mean I realized after a certain point I was just looking to find stuff to put on the home screens just to fill them up it was the same way bet was sense but the only thing was since back then was uh well it was an incredible 2 so 2 so it only had so much ram but you know you put seven widgets worth a home screens on there and they're gonna get kicked out of memory yeah I mean you're just like waiting on the widget of refresh every time you scroll to it so it's kind of useless yeah the famous three drop all right so let's uh let's get you a t-shirt giveaway here and then we're going to talk about two more things and we'll wrap up a Derek Moore requested us to talk about the intel based razor and it's going to be released in the UK here so we'll hit that here in a minute and then though it's a patent war stuff but let's do a t-shirt um if you were here for the technical difficulties addition is what we call last night chill Oh Ian so we're going to give away two t-shirts and they're both going to be the Andy Android nah man biting down chewing eating an apple and said nom on and Jody Barnes answered the correct question he won the Andy t-shirt it's already been sent to him he's going to be getting it but unfortunately the supplier has sold out of those t-shirts since then but so but we're still gonna give you a t-shirt it it's just not going to be an Andy nomming shirt because they're not available at this time so sorry we can't do it about that but we're going to give you a choice of actually a couple different t-shirt from give you android authority t-shirts so if you're watching this right now i'm going to put the link on the main post and you can check out those t-shirts there and the winner can pick out any of those any of those design sizes and colors and we will get one to you so they'll further ado if you're watching this means watching on the main android authority post because that's where the only comments that we're watching so when you answer this question foot make sure you're putting your answer in the comments on the main post if you're on YouTube on your buddy stream on monstering Scott's again John dan whoever we're not watching now we're only watching the main one so make sure you're commenting on the Maine coast where I just put that URL for the t-shirts okay so yesterday I had said this was going this question was going to be android statues so these statues that are in front of google building 44 at the Googleplex in Mountain View California there's a bunch of Android statues there for the various versions of Android and a few other things in android so the question is an Android dog model was once accompanied by the original android robot model until it was stolen in 2009 so the original android bugdroid robot used to have a dog model before was stolen 2009 it's no longer there the question is what is that dog's name what is the question what is the dog's name it used to be beside the android robot statue oh is it Clifford and no it wasn't a game is not every dog no was it was a green dog get matched it matched the android robot what was that dog's name he had a name Clifford it is not Clifford it is not Clifford it's awesome ok and yes Ben Begley it is us a u.s. only for the competition sorry about that international viewers I don't know if you're an international viewer actually let us know I'd be interested to see how many international museum the museum no do do do some jeopardy music why don't you let her know no let me copyright was named puppy no I was not named puppy alright so it it wasn't named puppy it was a puppy puppy is on the description of it but it had an actual name is the resource that we are using right now oh we have a winner we have a winner winner winner chicken dinner Ogden Guttridge le algorithm is though oh okay well she can't win so that none haha congrats alley I will contact you in a few minutes for your shirt size and your mailing address and which shirt you want the design a quelle heure yada yada yada and I will get that out to you thank you sorry to tustin just a moment too slow yeah man I really wish to type stirrups for seconds gotta see how close family where oh ok so let's let's talk about the rumored and now somewhat confirmed droid em are sorry razr m no it's just droid out yeah yes raisins razor are staying proprietary to verizon it will be the droid hem we have that backwards thing ya know the bruins rise of the rumors like frame all right so everybody mark mark this down this is first time Dan Charlton's ever been incorrect before and he's at your about anything Google to find it out verizon just as George Lucas in their back pocket it's drop yet the razr m is dropping the droid branding when it goes to the UK just going to be the razr m and is rude and now confirmed to have an Intel processor and this phone was somewhat announced demo talked about last year while the back at CES so actually around the beginning of the year at CES motorola announced a partnership with Intel that they're going to be producing Intel phones and a phone we'll see and so forth so this is the result of that partnership so what do you think about it you know I mean we've had a few very few I can think of two off top my head phones that have been dropped with intel processors running Android in China and in India if they're late to the game but they're very familiar with you know with processors with CPUs yeah they've been doing it for 40 years think it's the wrong time to get an intel-powered smartphone because they're coming out with silver mine as a architecture like next year did he drop out I think that I was physically well if that's the obligatory drop out of Derek every single hang out I don't I don't drop your regular hangouts and hangouts on air it's really nice to meet you I have a bug report for you um so another one yeah so my corner reporting issue intel chips yeah okay it's not under the exact same as the razr m it'll be the same shell but the insides will be different yeah so that we really don't know much did you wish should you get this phone being near the first major phone to the sport an Intel processor or should you wait to the second gen of Intel processors the color remember when the Thunderbolt was released that was a great fun jump on right no I mean I've been on were sex for the record this is not the first intel mobile chip no they did do in Google TV and they have deal with logitech for a while not only that one they tried putting other one out that I mean it was designed to be a mobile ship just all the mobile handset makers kind of laughed it out of existence because it was that bad it was it was pretty bad there I mean they're they're not half the performance production for quadruple the power consumption it was I mean they're they're working off a five year old architecture right now they don't have the compiler completely optimized if you know x86 is I mean they're they're working hard they're contributing a lot but now is not the time to get one yeah I mean they're they're moving very quickly and I think Intel in the the sort of in the arm space will be interesting but I don't think they're there yet silvermont maybe it's gonna be on a smaller lithography and it'll be the first actual atom that has out of water processing so it's I mean there there's a lot to like about what they have coming up but this one this one can't even run with current crates processor to process a 19 county-based man integration so yeah I mean when they put it out they were trying to show it off as competing against the previous generation of chips the problem with that was it was coming out at the same time actually behind the new generation of arm chips so it's it's just not nearly as good as the s4 or as the quad-core exynos or is the Tegra 3 I would like to think that they're going to be completely successful with it I mean they just for the fact that they know their architecture and they've been doing it for 40 years but they haven't been doing in the mobile space though for 40 years they've been doing in the mobile space for any years no no but the thing they're not a new company is my art oh they're not but they are a company getting into a new market so that's why i would say Ken wanna hear the bed field medfield processors my stuff not be the one gen 1 this is generation 2 well what was what was gin again one min the cedar trail I think the cedar trail I can't keep track of their reference names but whatever one didn't actually make itself into any handsets because it was so bad that nobody would actually buy it the men move it medfield Medfield's gen 2 i'm wrong yeah this one's just so bad that not a lot of people will buy it mommy Motorola is being the one to adopt it to assign to a multi-year agreement it gets kind of telling because motorola prior to google snatching up is pretty desperate and intel inside is a marketing / that I mean it counts I mean that's a good marketing to the person that doesn't know any better yeah because nobody if you tell somebody what an ARM processor is they wouldn't know what you're talking about you tell Intel it's already slapped on top of their laptop is a sticker so they know what you yeah so let's let's move on to our final topic of the night here long story short dan John say these things are gonna be jumping find out we'll find out in here this thing it's not as included at the american version with s4 it would have been awesome last year yes yes a year ago that coming out would have been a very good funnel we don't we don't also know what it's coming out the midfield processor here we don't know what architecture they're going to use uh will intel's only made just the one so yeah we pretty much dunno hasn't been confirmed so do be in what do you think of the latest round of patent wars news this past week with HTC you know countin some other patents surrounding ltd if what Apple comes out their iphone 5 here and then in a yawn yawn yawn things his way to go after HTTPS like what three patents on LTE they're actually making any of it I don't even know how they managed to get patents on it Boeing that's right because you don't actually have to make things in order to patent them you just to think of something no they bought them they bought them so even better they purchased hands too just for the simple fact to go after to use them against Apple you know that i did buy them before they release the vulnerable yeah exactly that's why they bought them they were releasing the Thunderbolt yeah I mean apples gonna have problems moving into the LTE space but all of the problems that they're gonna have our of their own making if they hadn't run around the world pissing off every single person that they rely on to do everything that they do they wouldn't have all of those people going wait a second we actually build everything that makes your phones cell phones and give it to you and now you're coming back suing us saying we're ripping you off please so you don't think do you think that that if Apple in HTC go to court over this do you think it's gonna hold up I don't think it'll matter you know bagel no I really don't think I'll matter yeah whatever Ltd technologies out there I'm from somebody presumably it's gonna be Qualcomm because that's who everybody's buying their LTS hardware firm right now and its patented by a Qualcomm and by buying it from Qualcomm Apple gets the protection of Qualcomm patents that's true and you buy more concrete very much easy buddy a wife Alex yeah hold on what after subway Hong Kong could shut down the entire cell phone market if they went out I mean there's a reason why they hold something like sixty eight percent of the mobile radio market and that's all radios when it comes down to LTE it's much more like ninety-eight percent and you better believe they have the IP to back up those products so when they sell it to apple it's not like Samsung can go and sue them for using a Qualcomm chip that somehow invalidate or somehow infringes on a samsung patent because it's a Qualcomm miss you it's not an apple issue yeah and you better believe that Qualcomm can back up their products against Samsung's relatively meager ten percent of the LTE patents or against HTC's handful of purchased ones so let's talk about a little bit about android authority on air we've now been doing this for a little over six months so if you guys just found out about it recently hey how you doing uh is if not you'll know that we've been growing over the past six months we're very happy to be where we're at have all of you watching us and listening to us with Scott and I came a long way we've we've done a lot of things and to get to where we're at a lot of aspects with hangouts on air youtube videos you know podcast yeah yada yada we we we've grown we have a very nice falling in we would we would like to thank all of you for your participation and watching us it if it wasn't for you we wouldn't be you know where we're at now um so so thank you we're going to continue giving away things from time to time you know yes what Android swagga to show our appreciation um you know a little contest you know such as answer a question or be the first to do this no such as and what we've done to know where to continue doing that to show our appreciation and we might even be a able to give away some devices you know maybe like a nexus 7 or something something here in the future so stay tuned for that med type information and we'll be sure to let you know when we give away something think like that if and when we do well handle right now the website we're giving away I go so no two oh yeah exactly much like that on the website it's definitely something that's not our show related but it's the site related so actually it is our show related Scott we forgot to do it alright so we're giving away a samsung galaxy note 2 for a few more days you can go in on android authority calm and find the contest and do everything in the rafflecopter to get tickets under to get the votes whatever call that submissions and into the the raffle one of the one there says android authority on air show so how do you get that that submission very simple you simply enter the word patent wars all in work patent wars in their pit go and your vote will be counted so the android authority on air submission item is patent wars onward go ahead and put that in there get one more vote for the contest that's that's about it Scott so if they want to find out what we've been doing for six months so yeah where can they go they can go to youtube and see us live streaming every week on friday 83 central 9 30 eastern what country do you live in Scott I look at Central out all the other times I mean they won't prove Eastern myself find some people in the mountain country okay so we got you dude we got some phone you can stream or download from there we have podbean we also do have an RSS feed on the site if you want to scroll down on the right side there's a section for on-air that'll be all the art on air posts um anything else no I think you hit it on the head so uh thanks guys for guys and gals congrats Ali Ogden for winning your t-shirt so don't get contact with you shortly gradual ations and we'll see you all in a week good night on Saturday a weekend take these guys