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welcome to android authority on air no lag edition I'm dare cross I'm Scott Anderson and this week we are joined for round two of android authority on air and in the second round we have returning special guest dan Charlton dan welcome back to the show get developing and those those colonel Japan anything out a while let's go to call me lazy thanks all right so sad and the lazy chrome developer thanks for coming out we appreciate all your wonderful insight so Scott what are we going to talk about this week well first of all I'll point out den cuz I don't move sure it is it is an android authority sherry Oh what would close that again read ret did it say right on the website I'm pretty sure its than something like I don't know periwinkle nonsense of something is so amazingly like that thumb print like I've seen cars with less ridiculous color names all right Android news so that was kinda rude news but we'll we'll get started here so this week we're going to be going over some act Android ecosystem update some news surrounding that we're also gonna be going over some app updates um basically it was google app update all the things this week which is kind of cool we got some device updates and new releases and also upcoming releases as well as some rumored devices and rumored devices plural next I huh um we're going over some routing and Robin stuff and that carrier news and we will end it with some patent war stuff by damn alright so let's talk a little bit about the Android ecosystem Scott made a whole bunch of neat stuff happened this week yep basically they're resilient documented said Google sent out a letter to developers Android developers about in an ongoing FBI investigation on just give developers a heads up and the FBI said that shouldn't have been sent and developers don't need to worry which I question that because there are some apps that I know if I were the FBI I'd be looking into I think the investigation was not so much into the apps it's more into it it's developers who the FBI suspects their applications have been sold on other sort of fringe markets without that developers knowledge okay so there's not like any suspicion that any developers did anything wrong this is the FBI looking into some other criminals more or less on the behalf of these developers which is why they didn't really want to have to send out this email and sort of browse panic but panic has been stirred yes yes um and then later earlier this week we had google past microsoft is becoming the second largest tech company in the united states um pretty far behind after the world it's actually the world but isn't that you guys I'm pretty sure that the two or three largest technology for us are the two or three largest innocent the same if you compared to the world but they're still considerably far behind an apple um but that's because they charge less for their advices and yeah so I was pretty cool news um and then we have a glimpse possibly kind of a rumor um but kind of an ongoing rumor the Nexus certification program and basically any manufacturer can enter as long as they meet the hardware requirements that are set by Google and use something like a customization center or a theme manager um the rumors have been going out like that what do you guys think about this I think it's awesome you know for four years we at least i know i've been saying that skins are okay it's just for the simple fact that carriers manufacturers whatever yeah manufacturers need to differentiate themselves somehow so they try to do with skins but not everybody likes them is not everybody wants them it's not everybody wants to be you know boxed into using that so we needed some type of solution and you for all ever people been saying probably be so cool but if a UI if the skin can be downloaded from the Play Store yeah if it was an add-on well it looks like this rumor pans out to be true that you're gonna actually able to do that you're gonna be able to go to it you know system settings go there or something like that go to a notification customization center and in the customization center you'll be able to you know choose a UI maybe I if you have an HTC phone you'll be able to have stock Android or choose sense if you have a motorola phone you know you'll be able to stock android or choose you know blur not a whole lot of details are out there of what is it a full-blown you know you I and also apps as well or is it just know a little bit of bells and whistles it just it's a skin you know or is it a full-blown you know overhaul like we don't know yet but the fact that that's even a rumor is interest is very very cool in yeah yeah I mean I think that the thing that hasn't been specified is if any kind of open sourced pneus is a contingency of the certification right like if manufacturers can continue to release closed sourced Forks where they're rewriting the framework and making changes all over the place it it's really going to tarnish the Nexus program yeah so yeah so does that mean that since why I guess there is open sans the sense isn't the best example of that but TouchWiz does that means you have to be a touch with no a open source version 80 then you know for no no because I'm not saying that they need to open source their themes or their their skin that they're using right like right now in cyanogenmod there's a theme manager the theme manager is open sourced the whole raw is open sourced you Scott could go and make your own theme and release it and have that be totally closed source and potentially sell it as an app on the market if you wanted to write like the full rom is still open sourced if they're releasing Nexus devices that aren't open source it's going to piss off pretty much anybody who's ever bought an accent yeah I I agree they're gonna have to know step around that very lightly and make sure they do it properly so they can still keep the the Nexus you know name on tarick so they can still carry them song yeah i mean the biggest thing that i think that her that i frown upon is if there's a theme manager and it you know somehow bogs down or runs in the background with something going on that's not stock I just want stock then I get stock um also I look I look into like the integration of each theme is each theme gonna have really deep integration that differs from a different theme I mean that might be interesting if if they do it well and i'll use use me you i as an example because the theme manager that they packaged in is is really quite fantastic um with a theme manager that's that's sophisticated you can literally change any image any font any color anywhere throughout the device and I mean you can just bundle that up as a theme and add it after the fact well I think that's something that we have to try to figure out you know it is it just going to be through this do it can anybody you know put up and store and download and we don't know the details of it yes maybe obviously the possibility here is is endless and then if these are thrown into AOSP imagine how easy it's going to be to have you know a native fee manager in Iran its mother the other big thing that'll come out of this I mean and the thing is you can keep it open source and keep the core you know the core operating system open source but still let the manufacturers replace just straight-up applications problem right now is that they aren't replacing applications that replacing the core framework and then writing new applications that rely on that different core framework if they're staying within the stock android framework and just replacing the dialer or replacing the contacts app or any of the other applications wait like you can go to the market and get go contacts and go launcher and go everything and basically have it basically a go overlay with just apps that you can get on any device rooted or not and so if the OEM manufacturers repackage their skins into that kind of a setup there's no reason why update from Google needs to go through 47,000 layers of nonsense right like you can just roll it out to everybody yeah but then I guess the argument from device manufacturers would be how do we God why we have to do less work but no how do we set ourselves apart it is truly you can get the same experience on every single type of hardware and they're going to be bringing those apps that you can only get samsung s voice if you really love s voice on a samsung device from the things you like that yeah right like if you want to root your device and do customizations that's great you can get Samsung's open sourced Fork of Android that will build but it won't have a dialer and it won't have contacts that happen it won't have s voice it'll boot and that'll probably be about it and then you have to just like flashing google apps right like they might release that as an additional flashable as sort of their proprietary with these or they might not and say you're on your own yeah um so Android for dot to uh jelly bean or key lime pie but yeah well part of that rumor that part of the made of rumors that came out this week you know was saying that the next version of android will be four point two key lime pie um and some people you know initially you know grab pitchforks and torches saying oh look supposed to version 5 well you know what version numbers really honestly don't really mean a whole lot oh my goodness they mean so much to me you know in honeycomb in honeycomb 3.08 high country 103.2 even declare was what to 2 point 0 and 2 11 so it's been done it's not a big deal ah its chances are you know fingers crossed confident I that my sources are correct it's gonna be key lime pie and it's gonna be four point two so yeah I plumbing I think this good general consensus from what I've seen is that 4.2 is just salad yeah the name is still somewhat flexible and we'll get around to that little bit later we talk about some of the Nexus Nexus devices that are letter rumored but for now and said what what's the what's the name going to be a chances are like I said if my sources are true it'll be key lime pie and 4.2 but uh so Android has a whole bunch of a market share and tablets more than I thought huh Scott yeah more than I wouldn't beg to believe I don't know if I'm the source on that okay so go Hornets earlier earlier this week we posted an article that forty-eight percent of the tablet market here in the US is actually owned by by Android and I live those as an end of q2 and yeah and now that that's a lot higher than I thought I mean twenty-two percent of that makes up the kindle fire which makes perfect sense cuz kindle fires you know the best selling that twenty-two percent of the whole market not twenty two percent of the ambulance yes yeah yeah that's roughly half of all android tablets in the end of q2 were kindle fires and mexico in which is why google one off the success of the kindle fire to release you know and make the nexus s but it's also important to note that these numbers do not include the nexus 7 or the new kindle fires that is there is one hundred percent correct they're only off of uh leave the end of key to so the other so there are three month old numbers yeah and what do we know we won't have to three into meq three just ended so we won't have that for another day another two or three months the spectacular thing though is how far Apple has fallen how quickly well I mean it's really not i mean with the onslaught of devices that are in runtime surprising I'm just saying it's impressive about a year ago last time they were at eighty-nine percent of the market and they've dropped 252 they lost thirty percent of the market in a year well the planets are vastly out selling ipads over the last year vastly outselling yeah i mean they were the first people in there that majorly in there majorly in there um that pushed that type of device and was and were successful with it okay so no I I understand but like that they were an extremely extremely successful with that and now people are starting to you know look for cheaper options that still have the same features if not way more features so more bang for your buck yeah I think consumers are getting a little bit smarter in that sense well I mean that's it it's getting back to sort of apples core problems may be other reasons why Apple computers have never sold that well is bang for your buck they're expensive computers and you can get a similarly capable non-apple machine for half the price and then you can argue that you get what you pay for which in some cases is true as yeah I mean there are definitely cheap makers of brock's house now okay and then uh Android for dot whatever you want um basically android for is on ICS and jelly bean together yeah so Scott just say in case you in case you weren't sure so Android 4.0 1203 no.4 as well as jellybean 4.1 point one is all included those numbers to twenty-five percent of all android right now is using at least android is a year old or newer yeah that's an eighth of a billion people are using jelly bean or ICS right now no it's not enough yeah I mean Apple may like to brag about how fast they can update and they do update fast and this is a problem in Android the fact that you know jelly bean has been out for a month or not a month I'm sorry since July they open sourced it and ICS has been out for almost a year now and only a quarter of the market has the update that's ridiculous that's also 125 million devices that's true I mean I just think that these statistics need to get bigger and bigger it needs to be they do huge problem I really can't wait to the point where and maybe this won't even happen but the day of release a quarter of all devices will be able to upgrade yeah that would be cool that'd be nice I mean I think that's kind of what they're pushing for potentially with this nexus program Leah they're going to be able to update more devices faster that's the whole reason that that's the endgame but we have that Alliance Program which you know people forgot about it and that's going to do anything and nebula understand that but I mean you can say something and not do it I mean I just have hope it looks like a more solid program well they're coming out you have five amino minimum five you know they more eventually different companies selling nexus devices you're going to have you know five times the amount you assume of Nexus devices out there you're going to draw are even more than that you're going to drastically increase the footprint of Nexus devices you're going to drastically increase the footprint of devices that get updates faster some devices you're going to be cdma some aren't going to get them as fast as their gsm you know counterparts but you know what we're still going to get them faster than non vanilla Angela and I would argue that there any longer I would argue that you're going to get that updates longer than you would with oh you've got a Atrix 4G ok you get one update it's an incremental update but it's not the next version of android you know I mean actually there's a petition around right now to take it beyond night because ice cream sandwich was cancelled for theatrics yeah but that's later on all right so uh to finish up the Android ecosystem here uh there's a new poll going around customer satisfaction on android 4.1 iOS 6 which that makes sense because iOS 6 came out in the world ended you know they didn't have a you couldn't get to your destination he couldn't use Wi-Fi Siri was yelling at you from the lock screen it's i'm just going to lake somewhere it's missing cities like number two x two I mean but but maps aside um not society r you can't tell you your whether your battery doesn't last your wife I can't connect and you click your ice chips all the time and it chews through data on verizon and AT&T like that's its job when you're holding it wrong if you take a picture of the Sun listen below yeah not just the Sun indoor lighting works just as well up it works just as well so does it don't worry what if you were holding it you know inside right I wonder if Google's going to release a native app or if they're just gonna chill with the UH browser version because they just announced with their health quality Anglia browser version for a while but eventually they're gonna build a nap I think there's not and for it I wonder how much Apple will have to pay them you know that might be what they're trying to do is for somebody the browser version and force Apple back to the negotiating table on that Apple you won't like that Google way to sit on worldwide mapping on the fly definitely all right so we had a whole bunch of app updates this week especially from google Scott will talk about some app updates yeah um we had a lot of app updates from google on first log Google Wallet not did some bug bug fixes as well as gesture support which what do you think that is going to be four years our roof Escher's I didn't know I don't know I could wave my NFC enabled phone that has to be a millimeter away from a you know an NFC tag in a gesture to buy so what I'm gonna be like hold it up in the yeah I don't know what you know like what we'll see sorry you can only make purchases here if you do the Macarena with your phone first we had some other updates we had google music just some bug fixes on there um it's a pretty solid app from my experience and people more people just need to go on I think it's just the the amount of songs that they have is really just kind of fingering it right now um then we had a docs update backs um we need google docs update and it was a pretty big update via tablet support on you i support on Cloud Print yeah car works and it works great I tested it actually earlier even now cloud from from google doc now you have to hit open in browser is and then hit the little down arrow and then hit print so it's still in the app but it's not in the app yep hit open browser but still works it works great i printed to my printer right here a little bit ago so yeah it doesn't that's nice you don't have to install a third party app to be able to do it anymore yep you can filter folder contents by file type you can give the option to auto sync pinned content lon three T or rat um also like i said before basics basic tablet editor you can create reply and resolve comments in the document editor you can also change font you can also pinch-to-zoom pinch-to-zoom improved drastically the support for it before was it was laggy and it had issues and it is very very nice now if you haven't used it um not tonight all of this affect the nexus 7 or is it just for the full-size tablets know it affects it actually all devices Oh excellent that had it so it's really nice um also you have the option to resume interrupted uploads which is also nice that is very nice and then we also had updates to gesture detection which I guess there are gesturing all the things I'm updates so hey so for fifty bucks you can buy a map app right or you can use google maps don't buy it if you have a device that's even remotely modern so Tom Tom you know now Hector of Apple maps yeah it tom toms trap dog sir is that not a selling point if you wish to get lost and find gas stations and airports on top of City skyscrapers for fifty bucks Tom Tom can be yours in the app and the google play store but not if you have an HD screen so not your nexus 7 probably not really any tablet not your Galaxy Nexus your one extra Voyager but it's 50 bucks so it have for a nap I know that's ridiculous oh um ok so this this just in Google Translate updated and it has a did you mean suggestion which I like that's awesome eyes um so you you like because you actually use Google Translate before Scott that's cool details but um I use it to basically show all my people that have I devices that I can do it quicker than they can Oh so actually if you actually have used it and not know I'm used it it's actually quite nice okay all right that's cool so uh i'm updating right now good good good besides google wallet like app updates um did a little Google Wallet update i said it's part of the whole google we go system here google wallet now is able to power online micropayment so you can pay for content for websites using your Google Wallet account which is nice you know it in time people that want to be more and more intertwined in the people's ecosystem it allows you to do that so that's nice to be able to have that big stiff against take out yeah it is so let's talk about device update so we have a whole mess information this week because you know it's fall you know we have new versions of phones coming out new versions of operating systems coming out and year old devices getting your old android update so uh or or not getting them so the jelly bean for the Korean version of the samsung galaxy s3 is coming here in a few days on the 9th so if you're one of our Korean viewers search spam Annette off update button in a few days for jelly bean um ice cream sandwich you know announced a year ago in two weeks is not coming for the year old Atrix 4G or photon and that's a little bit of a sad face for a bunch of people that have a year old from the uh you know so there's actually an online petition right now saying hey google me or a motorola your company right whatever you have done on the Atrix 4G or photon to get it up to speed on ice cream sandwich and then decide to scrap it don't throw it away release what you've done so far so developers can do something with it or at least give us a workable kernel that will work on Ice Cream Sandwich and jelly bean and we'll take it from there the developer community is crying out saying okay that's cool for you release it but don't leave us in the dark we'll go ahead and take it from there and do what we do best will hack android so that's cool way I mean so people that are into you know routing and ramen you know uh you at least have you least have that option available for jelly bean or ice cream sandwich if if anything ever happens to that so look for that petition sign it posted share it you know get some get some traction on it um the acer iconia a500 my first android tablet as well as its little brother and sister of the 100 and 200 were announced this week to not get jelly bean officially it doesn't mean doesn't work I've been running jelly bean online for a while but but officially you're not getting it so if you do not route do not run you will not be getting ice cream sandwich on old icon yes but however new icon is or getting jelly bean and actually this the new 700 actually yes but shipra fit i believe right or than 110 new 110 sorry um Ice Cream Sandwich for the pantech element and burst is a is coming out jelly bean has been released by asus for all of their tablets except for the original transformer prime but they original transport pride said soon you know soon just the original transform I'm sorry there it yet you're in the original transformers soon it's coming next week or so you know but who knows I mean they pushed out the infinity and the Treasury hundred team in the prime in the few of the pad 300 already so they're they're jelly bean and all things and their devices you know they're doing they're doing it right my opinion the other contain your tablets very quickly so if you have an original and og transformer one of the original best-selling tablets I mean you're gonna get in jelly bean soon very very soon jelly bean the for the HTC x + 1 ass international you're getting it however if you have a V you're gonna have a sad face honestly though that's not surprising yeah i mean the V is the low-end mala it's the cheapy you know so you get what you pay for i guess the wasn't spectacular just began I mean yeah you pay for you pay for very little for something it's hard to support it into the gym I mean it's roughly the same Hardware just what was in the desire HD that came out in 2010 so on to Nexus rumors my favorite part of the show it's not I I love talking about nexus rumors not a lot no lastly create a lot this week we have a lot and i'm assuming punch in the next three weeks until one of these damn things actually comes out and as announced we're going to keep getting more leaks and more news and more speculation so 32 gigabyte nexus is showing up and so far two different sales retail sales systems the price no pressure doesn't matter yet we don't really know anything but but we are seeing a 32 gig Nexus 7 so if you have an eight gig or a 16 gig you might might be a little upset about that six months later they come out the larger version because a lot of people to get them originally because they only had little storage and you know you could argue I argued well to cloud device doesn't need the storage go to yoga but still I mean not more storage is nice so soon that we should know more on that if that's actually going to happen now following on that there last weekend we talked about the $99 nexus 7 that might be coming out here soon x7 just anonymous Nexus tablet anonymous Nexus tablet it was pegged as being a nexus 10 lessons is it what I mean you tag it that way should not be writing for any sort of professional organization it's a it's a low-end nexus 7 maybe we don't know how about that we call that a low-end Nexus em back yeah that's like saying and what about the wheel with a low-end evo 4g also with your rumors maybe it maybe it's going to be the nexus 7 it's just TouchWiz 4G key lime pie five point 0 wishin we don't know yeah only time will tell always time with that price book for the Tegra 3 alright so let's talk about it let's talk about another necklace friend you were so wrong you dropped out now that I was so wrong i dropped out alright so the LG optimus Nexus is pretty much all but confirmed at this point if you like to believe rumors and if you'd like to believe inside sources um I like to believe my inside sources so yeah so the LG optimus Nexus is coming out soon most likely to be announced the end of the month with a November launch date it might be announced by andy rubin when he talks up in all things d here in the near future it's a mobile conference the end of october maybe that is when it will be announced or maybe even the nexus program will be announced then you know and then we'll see a phone announced you know week or two later but either way any route a few weeks so for him not to say anything is going to be highly unlikely in my opinion um rumors are speculating that google hopes to have five Nexus devices the thing that Wall Street Journal talked about many many moons ago now look now earlier we are talking about yeah Nexus rumors and you know key lime pie jelly bean version numbers yada yada yada so the next version of android is speculated to basically look and feel like jelly bean obviously because tell me it looks and feels like ice cream sandwich separate soul faster I mean they got everything right now they're just polishing their tweaking you know they're not adding major features or just you know building on something good and supposedly we're gonna see improved power management you know some type of new fascinating awesome google play store edition they're going to be laying the groundwork for five point 0 for when the major changes happen um we're going to have maybe home screens is that is tabs so home screens are going to go away and you're going to hit a tab at the top to move around between your different home screens but you're not going to spike around maybe we don't really know um then is well what we talked about earlier the big thing in my opinion is the nexus customization center what uh what do you guys think about those speculations about the upcoming versions Android and the LG optimus Nexus I mean it's it's interesting i'm not really gonna take too seriously any UI change rumors until i see them um i mean it's it's so hard to rumor about a UI change until you actually know like what you're looking at you and your wooden is not gets it's fairly i mean it makes sense i think it would be a step in the right direction i think changing something right now would be would be good and new and fresh and all my check times google change the android market now we know it's being the google play store I mean they like changing things and I think Google users like change um you know especially when it's better in the right direction to something that is more concise and better so I I'm liking it so continuing with Nexus rumors you know once again you know we had a report on the samsung galaxy s2 the HTC dicks face device the droid incredible x um in non Nexus device news though uh the LG optimus G on which the the Nexus LG is supposed to be based appears behind most sprint and AT&T with you know absolutely no information at all when that's going to be but apparently the AT&T version will only have an 8 megapixel camera because I don't know AT&T doesn't really like their customers um terror firmer severe alia of a samsung galaxy s3 mini by which they mean a 4 inch device which is yeah that's good me I was kind of funny did 15 just went up to being four inches and when Samsung makes a phone at that size it's a mini I know I that would be actually kind of like a nobody by this but it's just a fu to Apple yeah and like that be so funny if they decided to make like a limited supply of them so they could just make fun I that be a step in the wrong direction I mean yeah I think they're doing it just to do it like you said the iPhone 5 is a 4 inch device and Natalie hey look we can offer for two because why we have number one selling Android phone why not why not experiment and you know what what screw lawsuits we don't care we'll just we'll just make something for throwing more devices on the market until people buy them yep we're gonna have 87 4-inch devices so that your users have way more choice than you well it's not like Samsung has four-inch twice before oh no I understand that and I the one x+ appears to be exclusively going to ATT yeah exclusive icity with a loss I I hate that I really really did I like it but that's how they throw around their money and that's how they make a lot of money that's how they guarantee to sell devices for certain manufacturers yeah all part of carrier politics speaking of carriers we had two major major carrier news this week yeah we had a misclick t-mobile is going to merge with metropcs and by merger i mean they're gonna operate as two separate companies but t-mobile is going to unload no no no which means no that is that he actually doesn't mean that now is actually a test to see if Danna we're paying attention hahaha actually operate as t-mobile that is if sprint doesn't actually buy them because sprint now jump down this is this ain't this is now just pending government approval today well today sprint announced they'd like an opportunity to buy them though uh presumably that ends after metropcs has already signed paperwork allowing somebody else to buy de yeah yeah there were the Sprint was in talks with metropcs and tried to buy them and Sprint's board said no sprint really doesn't get the opportunity to come back six months later and say no our board was lying we really do want to buy you and particularly not after they're already signed the deal plus let your pcs is going to get a way better deal out of this than they were ever going to get from sprint because this is what's good for sprays sprays you know spring is just starting to roll out LTE and metropcs already has an established LTE network with voice over LTE capabilities so that's good that's a very tiny footprint you know that that's great that's great news yeah but I mean it's it's a good deal for metropcs because well the brand operate as t-mobile really metropcs is getting t-mobile out of this yeah it's a reverse merger so Deutsche Telekom the owner of t-mobile USA is going to own 70 foot six percent of the new entity and mesh row basically is going to home twenty-four percent and then they're just going to start selling back the shares so then it will be a standalone company and not part of Deutsche Telekom anymore and their girls mentor is getting one and a half billion dollars out of the deal they're going to eventually then phase out the metropcs cdma a few years yeah good yes I'm not sure one of the things that they said was that most of their users the vast majority of their users replace devices every 12 to 18 months so they can just atrophy people off the network fairly quickly yeah that'll be good and exchange t-mobile gets a lot more spectrum a lot of AWS spectrum to build out either their LTE or their hspa+ and then a lot of other 2g again I mean and that's great for t-mobile is you know they're they're a very popular small for their size they're great they're great carrier i mean i wish i had t-mobile service here i would probably drop verizon in a second for them but you know i don't you exactly in in the data plans i mean that there are very good every night i have tmobile I I like the carrier a lot you know what kind of spectrum are they gaining out of this deal a lot of AWS spectrum uh and really the big benefit is going to be not so much in in new stuff as it's going to be in stacking on top of what they already have so they'll be able to one of Sprint's problems but their LTE is that they're delivering it over a very narrow band I believe it's on five megahertz compared to verizon an 1880s 10 megahertz of like each individual block ltu that's going out wrong I mean that's that's not a very good way of describing it and that's not technically very accurate ah but because verizon and AT&T are using a wider band that can basically provide higher speeds this is a little out tmobile to together they're 5 plus metros 5 in a lot of areas where they can do the wider bands when they would not have otherwise been able to uh it's also going to allow them to pick up a lot of coverage in specific geographic areas where Metro has a lot of spectrum and a lot of coverage and team up with doesn't particular than Northeast and a couple of other random places like mid michigan and dallas and florida Metrozone a lot of weird places yeah company should be interesting coverage wise to see if t-mobile will increase their coverage I mean around where I am I've heard good and bad kind of a hit-or-miss where I am yeah I was so 0 points mother carrying news a few things here and there um II is set to turn on that's everything everywhere everywhere yeah they're set the hook what is it orange and t-mobile UK yeah yeah they're they're UK carrier by ten-thirty they're going to start turned on LTE and they hope to have a nationwide rollout by the summer 2013 so a little less than a year from now in the UK that's the first of their kind right yes yes yes in the UK they're still waiting for an auction of spectrum that everybody else wants to use for LTE a tmobile and you and I think it's orange and basically are merging together and forming everything everywhere and using repurposing old spectrum of theirs into an LTE frequency so they're pushing LTE before any of their competitors have even purchased the spectrum to do it on so a no perspective on why they can roll out so fast the UK is not a very large country is it a good version or good based version of LTE to start rolling upon because I know that you know I don't know enough the tech details on it ok because I know sprint is starting off on a good area expandability wise and I don't know the network architecture that they're using for it and then LightSquared Oh LightSquared let's weird white square d looks good on paper yeah LightSquared is trying again reframing pieces of their spectrum holdings note that they can maybe get some kind of something out of it or else they're gonna owe a lot of people a lot of money I hope they're successful I mean it's another competitor to the high-speed mobile data networks you know you calm down I mean I said I like I follow what they're doing I think it's a good initiative but so far that you know they just can't seem to get it off the ground yeah I mean LightSquared really I think kind of got shafted by the government on this one cuz the problem isn't that there's something wrong with light squared spectrum the problem is that GPS makers are building shoddy devices by that right like if or if AT&T bill devices that spilled over onto verizon's network verizon be pissed yeah and yet it wouldn't be verizon's probably be a tease problem to fix it right like this is basically the late square getting told oh no these other people are doing their jobs so badly that you know you doing yours within your own rights would infringe on theirs so you can't actually you know use this stuff that you own because these people that don't omit are using it but with the GPS be the carriers or would that be the manufacturers it's not Coors its manufacturers of GPS equipment okay and ultimately that can't be reversed I mean I mean it can't if there's a lot of options I mean one thing that has been suggested is basically forced the government to buy back chunks of light squared spectrum because they're basically saying this spectrum is reserved for duty yes yeah if you're going to say it's reserved for GPS then you better be willing to buy it back yeah the reason why that's not going to happen is because it's technically the spectrum that they home is approved for satellite communications and they're trying to get authorized to repurpose it for a terrestrial network when it is being used for satellite purposes it's not a problem for jerkass which is one of the reasons why I was originally you know slated for satellite here so let's talk about our favorite thing patent wars I believe Dan's favorite female judge did did some interesting things this week yes so in in Samsung's filing to set aside the jury perfect as more details are coming out on it there at this point pretty much accusing the jury foreman a frog so evidently the jury foreman used to work for I think it's seagate yes and it got into some kind of legal kerfuffle with his one-time employer and the the problem here would be that the majority owner seagate is Samsung technically he didn't break any rules because the litigation was far enough back that it like it didn't violate any disclosure rules but that is certainly something that you know you'd think is kind of biased he basically got sued by Samsung in the past and when i croaked because of it one that said he was the jury foreman he's the one that yeah I'm hatnin said everybody yep they're back yep yep very good can other jurors back that up and he was previously sued by Samsung lost and went bankrupt no he has no motive back at Samsung her all I saw him whether wasn't disclosed yeah that's one of the things that Samsung saying why wasn't this disclosed it's very also in the courtroom of Lucy Coe um he has no rescinded her babe galaxy tab 10.1 after saying that she liked the jurisdiction to do so because i really don't know why she thought that the appeals court disagreed with her and told her no no really you do need to make a decision and you do have the authority to revoke your own injunction um and it's the way device in preliminary injunctions work is the person asking for it in this case Apple has to put up a bond to secure the injunction basically saying in the event that you enjoying this on our say so and it's found not to be infringing were coughing up all this money to pay for damages Apple is definitely on the hook for their 2.6 million dollar bond but potentially more than that for you know every not sold device during the time that they were banned realistically we're talking about the galaxy tab 10.1 so you know what they're five hundred dollars pop we're talking about maybe maybe five thousand dollars good and it's it's very small Pyramus I think right yeah um and in other patent news Motorola's big case against well absolutely everything that Apple makes has been withdrawn for no reason whatsoever yes so the question is is you know there's a rumor back a few weeks ago that Tim Cook in and Larry Page were good meat did they meet I don't know I can tell you that quid pro quo like that in an explicit sense of like we've said if the if there is a signed deal the fact that there is any kind of a sign deal not being disclosed well withdrawing the case would be a legal problem for both parties so I would assume at this point there has been no formal agreement one here ever why they dropped it thing however one party suggesting that the other one dropping their litigation might allow for more favorable negotiating position is totally fun which is probably why motorola hasn't really given any details on why they've pulled this this this violate they've also though not done it with prejudice so they are free to refile at anytime they want so it was cooking for this could be for a lot of reasons right like motorola could have realized that there was something wrong filing documentation and just decided to pull the case altogether so they can refile it later properly without whatever error it was rather than allow that to be the reason the case gets tossed it could be that you know they want it they decided a certain Patton wasn't very strong and they want to rework the arguments I mean there could be any number of not like peaceful reasons to it could have like determined that maybe they were overreaching and trying to make other devices infringe on too many things I mean it could be that I mean it's a lot if it were something that mundane of saying oh you know we're not actually going to use this patent or we're not going to search this one against these devices that's a simple amendment to the filing ok I would think that there had to be something more fundamentally wrong with the with the filing or I'm gonna withdraw it to refil if that's if that's their strategy I suspect it's more likely that they withdraw it for other political reasons you know potentially trying to settle things down with Apple I see but they can also refile it anytime they want we have a question earlier mystic that dared more asked we find it here hbu wanted to know and and I'm going to defer to you on this he won't dare more ask most of Android patches have been merged into the mainline kernel and armed vice street patches just got merged into the 3.7 colonel this past week do you think that will help it update any lag problem on Android I mean Android right now is still on 3-point oh that's not true how does it not for Brooks commander hi the Galaxy Nexus no on jelly bean yeah that's gonna be a TI problem really more than anything else but it but I'm still correct though that that the Galaxy Nexus is still andrew is still on the three-point Oh Colonel I i mean i don't know i don't have a galaxy nexus i can tell you the nexus 7 us on a 3.1 it is next Devin is on 3.1 we got to Nexus is on I mean in either case android kernels on like actual living devices are still vastly behind where the current linux kernel a sense I think 3.6 came out just a couple of weeks ago very recently and I know 3.7 is moving along rapidly so we not less not unless we see three points extra 3.7 on the next Nexus right right i mean that's the other thing as android does tend to make leaps to catch up but even when they do that they're still pretty behind and y lo exposed to be grateful will cherry pick you know the little cherry pick new no updates and backport them yeah i mean as far as the update process I don't think it's the colonel that's holding it back I mean I the transition to ICS had a lot of things that needed to get changed in in the kernel transition from ICS to jellybean a lot less so I mean there's some things for project butter that need to get ported in for vsync but by and large it just isn't a significant so I mean once in a while like getting getting these devices over that that hump to ICS 24 point X once they're past that I think that slow updates from there is just slow manufacturers and there's not a lot we can do about that well hopefully uh no III hope hopefully a much more advanced version comes out the next next batch of Nexus devices Alicia I mean a lot of it's on the the manufacture the chip manufacturers right like Qualcomm I'm pretty sure is not building on a 3.6 kernel for their frankly there just isn't 3.6 code for Qualcomm chips it doesn't exist last time I looked they were working on 3.4 which is still well ahead of anything in a device but so the crumpled is basically a base level for chips too poor certain curl attributes not just chips it's really sort of the thing that is the layer between the physical hardware and the device and the operating system running on the device so it's controlling your your image processor it's controlling your voltage regulators it's controlling your CPU regulation it's controlling you know all those low level functions low level function that can ultimately make your device awesome or totally broke or totally yeah or totally not even workable yeah yeah I mean the colonel is is doing very little level things like saying give this much voltage to this specific power rail in your Wi-Fi module to turn it on at that frequency right like you see and you go and you touch new tap turn on Wi-Fi the operating system use is basically a kernel API to say that that intense has been sent and then the colonel actually execute the you know the physical telling the Wi-Fi module to go and do that yeah I just started running Franco girl and I'm experimenting with some of those did you wow you know Scott hit a monster Derek you are an animal you're rooting your ramen your kernel and oh the hell say we got flash next you know oh no I don't like really all soft to change I even flash some random APK a random ma zip file that will change random things you more more customization you know like me at all dude I know inverted G apps there you go that's your next thing okay well basically a inverted G apps you know regular G apps are all white let's say you have a black theme in you want black GF to match so basically somebody went out wider device to use less power oh yeah that too so somebody without haryana have a lot screen come it's a nexus rest my explanation danner knows someone's pretend i can talk good talk man no all right so okay all right uh so in Virgie app somebody decompile like gmail basically and went in there and changed all the XML go from white to black on black to later or whatever whatever color they decide to make it very compilat but uh yes and as Dan said it's actually better for your battery life because you know white is white and light is depends on the type of screen that's true in any of it it's a super amoled type display blacks basically aren't using any power whatsoever whereas on an LCD it's still illuminated oh it still trying to make that black red right like it's illuminating a black color yeah is very fine just turned off yeah so less the last thing interrelated I want to talk about before we get out of here tonight is uh uh the big Android BBQ is now two weeks away um I'll be there in two weeks and somehow a joke went horribly wrong and turned into this thing that people are now donating money to a fund for me to wear a pink gorilla suit that's fantastic um where do i donate yeah so yeah I made a few jokes about how I would wear a pink gorilla suit at the pool party at the big Android BBQ and my loving friends and fans decided what he said you better do it and it may created that he has to do you have a link I don't have a link but I but there it's already been posted in the comments and you know if they actually raise the money I'm gonna have to do it because that's a real yeah that's a real one that's a real jerk thing to do and am sorry if you didn't do it I know so I'm not saying to do it but yes you are but there's already money in there so I'm saying you should do it um you know what there's free beer from a local microbrewery at the pool party a guy's gonna be there may be in a gorilla suit is pink for breast cancer awareness uh sounds like a good plan i guess yeah I mean I'm just pushing all the money goes to charity too I'm all about this now don't get a chick way it goes to the ghost of the suit charity and maybe just maybe if it can't cost that much uh it was like a 180 bucks i think but apparently the guy that is in charge with jody he said he found cheaper versions of the suit someone even suggested a pink furry bikini I'm not doing that okay I don't care how much money you raise I'm not doing that but uh earlier and he said that you would do it hahaha yeah but anyway so yeah so that's going on so I'm dealing with that um that's about it two weeks can't wait anything else any other questions before we fantastic before we sign out for this evening here I'm not seeing anything we do have a volunteer for the pink furry bikini that I see now okay well we'll see when we r get a donation link I'm for up for that well what what will be the pink furry suit couple I guess all right so uh thanks for watching and have a good night