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welcome to android authority on air the original android hangouts show on google+ I'm Derek Ross i'm scott anderson and this week we're joined with returning guest dan Charlton of timett kernels he hasn't developed one in a while but once he's not busy anymore he's going to start Colonel all the things in the very near future and we have a very special guest with us this evening you may recognize him from certain YouTube drop test videos he is the co-owner of android authority welcome Darcy lack of a Darcy pleasure to be here thank you so so tell us about these these YouTube drop test videos you know we've seen you destroy beautiful android phones and beautiful iphones uh you know you're you're a you're pretty popular guy getting millions and millions and millions of views what that drop test is like 15 million views alone that's problems ii you know the demand sort of went up crazy and at one point it was doing almost two million views a day and it kind of slowed down the stern around 50,000 views a day people are still interested I think you know because the iphone 4s was and all iphones previously in fact they just were not durable you know just one drop they would break but the iphone five they improved on the build quality in such a way that the device is probably one of the most high quality devices I've ever tested so we just went to Hong Kong it was one of the first marks to be available we bought on the grey market they had a really really close tight-knit thing you had to be a Hong Kong resident to get it so we kind of had to pay a little bit extra yeah that were yakking on the black market center my clothes but the black mark is like illegal it's called the gray market actually the grey market it's a little bit more ethical I suppose so we just like we went to the event and there was just lineups the year previously there are so many sculptures that is just broken in a riot set like this high-end mall in Hong Kong with the police get in there and people punching each other and stuff and the mall didn't like that so they had a much more control thing this time so we bought it off a guy and we had a videographer there and we just went to the the Bay of Hong Kong and we decided to drop it and you know captured in slow motion we're really curious to see cuz we actually thought that it was gonna break but it just it didn't break he couldn't break it's the merged it in a fish tank you you drove over with a car you hit it with a hammer yeah that's a damned horrible phone I believe it got some coffee at one point then we get some coffee yeah we we dropped a whole big cup of fresh android authority spinous on that bad boy and it still kept working see did you know the downfall of it is that the battery wasn't removable so we weren't able to power down quickly enough after the fish tank test essentially water tests so that that led to its demise yeah I mean no phone could withstand 15 seconds submerged that's just a pause oh yeah and I'll actually fujitsu and sharp and Sony they all have waterproof devices now so I think it's something that will catch on maybe now out of all the devices you've been testing you know dropped task for viewing and so forth what you're you know you did the note to you did obviously not the galaxy s3 and then a couple others what's your what's your favorite one so far definitely the Galaxy Note 2 is that is that your daily driver now that's why the driver right now and it was tough going from the s3 to it because the s3 to solve for such intuitive one-handed operation and it's just at the the breaking point of what a one-handed device could be you know that 4.8 in but you know since I made the transition I've really started to like it you know jelly bean out-of-the-box so it's just extremely fluid the performance is fantastic and you know for someone like me I can see why having it yes 5 & a pinch me is a big phone it feels ridiculous to put off to the side of face and you one-handed at all oh you can yeah actually if you kind of you figure out what you do a lot of like taking pictures or you know just checking the side or whatever um if you can put the the icons you know on the launcher you can get it but even still it requires a little bit of finesse in terms of using like your pinky to balance it you're pushing it yeah so it's almost like we've gone back to the the old Zack Morris phones yeah promise yeah it's gonna be popular I love those akash ganga more like a horse was being up there in Canada uh not that I mean I was a big fan of Saved by the Bell back in the dog hell yeah man I'm 80s kid like you brother 8bit all the way man I want to hear everything in a pit I want I want to go back I'm being told that our hangout is echoing like crazy why are we acting I don't you're in the echoing I don't hear any equity well you know what I don't hear any echoing so that we will try to work on that and your monster will continue on I mean we're all using these new mics maybe it's a new Mike's fault I don't know some people gain down there a little bit all right so so any uh any new big news over there that any new bombs at the binders of Android binders and Nexus devices like to be dropped on us in the near future from my end like what I'm seeing ya anything you see coming over there you know I've been thinking a lot about the nexus program you know what Google's really trying to do here you know what their talk to your partners and for me you know just looking forward the specs that are coming out and the ones even of yesteryear like a dual core Exynos of 1.2 gigs these are more than sufficient to to run android 4.1 really really well so i think a lot of manufacturers are very concerned about be just being commodity commoditize having their devices you know not be able to command a sort of pricing premium that they're hoping for and we're seeing devices out of China already with jelly bean on them selling for like 200 bucks 200 bucks and maybe they don't have like the best build quality but it's only a matter of time before we start seeing like really good quality a droids for for two hundred dollars unlocked like no carry on I agree with that yeah I can't wait to yeah what else we got in our plate this week Scott well we got some Android ecosystem stuff some events around Google and we have a lot of app updates we have device updates and some rumors we also have some controversial carrier news and some patent wars um Apple loses again good news sites all right so uh let's talk a little about a bit about Android you know we've been hearing for a few weeks now that Google was going to be holding an event scheduled for october 29th you know that official date first came out for me a French publication no like oh you know they don't normally leaked android news but you know it might be might be um 29th the you know the few reports start coming out that was going to be the day that was going to be the date and then this week Google sent out an official invitation letting us know that there was going to be an Android event in new york city at ten a.m. eastern time on october twenty ninth and that the playground was open so is that going to be you know the binders of android or we're gonna have binders and nexus devices release there i I don't know well what we do know is there is a new version of Android coming and we do know that there are at least one confirmed well unofficially confirmed will say I mean if this nozzle nozzle call confirmed knee here damn near confirmed new Nexus phone coming so so let's talk about possibly a new version of Android they will be announced in the near future as some of you know android police recently obtained a system dump from the LG Nexus 4 / LG optimus Nexus / you know and no official name yet and on their system dump they obtained they did a little bit of a teardown you know a little bit of looking into some some strings and so forth to see exactly you know what is going to be coming in the near future with Android and there's there's a few security enhancements for those of you that are security conscious those of you that you know hear the rumors fly around the web the foot you know the fear uncertainty and doubt that Android is you know plagued with malware or an unsecured well you know the media eats that stuff up with Android and you know it makes sense you always got attacked a big guy you know you always got to try to knock the big guy down so Google's coming back and told them basically to be quiet because they're going to be implementing SMS shortcode confirmation which right now let's say you get well you get a get an app and the app wants to send a message to an SMS shortcode that ends up costing you money we're going to get a confirmation in the future if these rumors a pan out to be true that will let you know that hey this text message you're going to be sending is going to cost you money it's going to show up on your bill do you want to do that and you're going to be able to say yes I do or no I do not so you know there have been cases of malware in the past or ornaments too much malware but apps that are doing things they shouldn't be such as sending those type of codes out there and yeah so that's going to put a hinderance on that um also there's going to be a basically a VPN always on like right now if you're on a VPN the VPN disconnects or internet dies and entry in USA you switch Wi-Fi you went from maybe LTE Wi-Fi or so forth your VPN dropped while did that maybe and you keep browsing the web and while you're browsing the web since you didn't know you're in your network connection dropped you could be browsing the web in securely and that's going to be slightly changed it looks like where it's going to all the VPN is going to always try to be connected or you're going to be able to specify you know only always always use a VPN for my connection those details are a little bit fuzzy but something along the lines of having a VPN always for network access is in the pipeline it looks like at this time and the big thing is se Android which is based off of selinux and selinux has been around for a number of years now security enhanced clinics was originally developed by the NSA to harden linux to to make it more secure it's a bunch of user add-ons uh Colonel add-ons to enforce security policies basically it means that when the user runs a program and you know system services apps so forth they run with a bare minimum of security privileges based on defined security policies and permissions there really is no true concept of a root user being able to do every and have you know full access to to everything it's if it's there but it's not there and the the system dump that android police got said it was going to come in in three modes you're going to have it being on all the time so you know security all the time not letting anything run that shouldn't run or logging which it's turned off but if you have some type of you know breach you could look back and look at the log and see what could have been prevented and then lastly you know you could turn it completely off so that may still come down the line with those three options but earlier in the week there was some new commits submitted to Android that basically removed that functionality so if it does come to Android 4.2 as of now it might come fully enabled without the ability to turn off meanness is all still you know based on speculation who really knows this is basically just looking at the code and saying yep the code that was submitted takes away that option do we know how it's going to be implemented no this is just me looking at it and saying okay I know what that means so your guess is really as good as my on that but but the the bottom of line here besides you know all the technical you know geeky mumbo jumbo stuff that some of you might not really care about or understand it's basically very secure and it's going to drastically cut down on the amount of potential malware that could run on the system it you can't stop everything you know a piece of malware could run in its own context and have access to its own its own files that are have the same permissions but it won't be able to jump from you know from context to context as easily so it's very very very good i mean servers uh you know linux installations been using this for many many years I've used selinux on you know web servers and mail servers for years hard in the system so it's tell you what's confusing as hell for me but I understand the baseline of it so it makes it makes it all that much better I mean it's good I mean who doesn't want more security right and in the last not excuse me last but not least two layer notifications so right now you pull down on the notification the status bar for notifications all your notifications are hitting their custom roms and TouchWiz have toggles up there well with jelly bean with expanded notifications you know and then you have you know toggles and then so forth you put in landscape mode now your screen in real estate has gone to nothing so Google has an answer for that and also the addition of their own power toggles or notification toggles called quick settings don't really know exactly what that is going to entail but it looks like it's two layered so you swipe down one layer to pull down your normal notifications and then once that windows pull down you swipe down a second time for your quick setting so that you know is that can be Power toggles you configure it who knows but the fact that it's going to be baked into AOSP right now without having to have a custom rom or custom UI that's pretty damn cool I know a lot of people that route just for the fact that have toggles enough so yeah that's very cool I don't know about the double swipe I think they can implement it better um such as my point of view the double swipe seems like something that is kind of unnecessary and you know they had the expandable notifications the first way that they implemented it was not amazing and that's why they changed it so I think that'll change how they do that in the future if that's even implemented and you gotta remember that this is just a placeholder when the more just basing this off of a placeholder image so right now if you swipe down the second time you see a image that says future home of quick settings so there's no actual quick settings they're just an image is so I mean it this is an alpha system dump obviously so a lot of things can happen in the future it could be not implemented at all it could be something that they couldn't get ready in time by production eight and decided okay that's common in 4.3 or 5.8 or something like that and then get some more information about malware yes so the FBI put out a warning about Android malware um and when people actually started looking into the morning is based largely on two applications one of which has been installed on approximately 30 devices anywhere in the world oh I don't be weird I've million hundred devices 30 really not a big problem the other one is not even really malware it's sort of a gray area of malware where it's kind of like um uh what was the carrier tracking things that everybody went crazy about yeah carrier ID yeah I like you it's like you when it does so mean yeah it is tracking you and doing stuff you probably don't want it to do but in the event that its installed it was probably your local government that installed it or character or company I'm just gonna get my pimple that's not something yeah well I mean part of the problem and it's not entirely you know their fault part of the problem is that they can't really have a Google market for it because they can't sell applications there is that that for a lot of Eastern Europe in Asia you know most people go excuse these shady other markets to pop up around it's pretty easy to Reno reverse decompile some code and just chuck in some stuff yeah yeah but I mean realistically is it big people think about malware in like in a computer oh god I open that email and follow the link and now I'm infected it's not like that any Android you click the link and it can't just install something it's gonna have to pop up and give you warning about you don't have the permissions to turn on to to sideload applications go through a malware warning to enable that then it's good you're gonna have to download a file browser navigate to find this application and install it go through another warning about permissions and that's installed like this isn't something that just whoops I got Malware maybe they're asleep at the wheel you know yeah I think a lot of people that are still scared by system permissions you know consumers that don't have a lot of knowledge it could be a sort of a daunting thing like you're giving up your location and access to all your contacts and and so forth right so we're absolutely just the binder skater put on up to a period of time yeah I mean Google does a pretty good job of laying out what nap can do um it's just not everybody pays attention to it so I guess people just don't happen without what the same as you know that the end-user license agreements people don't really do but they don't want to make us back yet past it tap past it get to the thing they bought or the ravioli beta 5 cases that say that people really aren't actually like legally bound to those because nobody reads them exactly to spec the box then I guess you know that kind of plays along the lines of people not actually looking at permissions well with the new play store that's happen to me it's in the code right now to say Google doesn't think you should install this app or this app permissions are you know kind of interesting you might want to double-check you know so it's going to give it I'm assuming it's gonna be another type of pop up when you click to install it's going to say wait a second you might not want to do that so if you're not reading permissions Google's gonna read them for you exactly okay so let's move on to some new app updates and new released apps first let's start off with netflix i got updated and it is now available in sweden denmark norway and finland it has new subtitle support improved subtitle support for android version 4 and up and also it does fix at least for me it fixed a lag issue that i had with streaming on the next app update is a google calendar it's actually a new release they released it to the place to look yeah Google Calendar got released its for android devices 403 and higher on this is big because it allows android phones that have skins let's say if i touch with i have a different form of google calendar and in order to get a unified one exact experience over all devices google has released a calendar app that anybody can really download and yet what you guys think about this is this is a step in the right direction I suppose it depends on how far they take it if they release basically all of the core applications calendar contacts camera bulbs all of us put it all in the Play Store and then the core android code is just the platform no apps nothing but in the past email used to be you know gmail used to be an only google app you know maps used to be an only Google App YouTube all these apps you couldn't get download from the Play Store so that means they were they worth getting updated on phones timely right now the calendar is play app it can get updated in a timely manner and but and like what you said if you have a custom rom or sorry well that too if you have a custom nuts you know skin you I you can you can actually have Google's direct calendar you don't have to have a third-party OEM made you manufacture calendar or you don't have to if you're on a custom rom you don't have to install G apps to get calendar and frankly if you did if you're running a G apps version right now and you install this you'll have two calendars so you can go ahead and go into your system directory and delete the calendar and then install the one from the Play Store now I did that just just an FYI yeah yeah well I mean it also people don't realize for a lot of the core applications there are sort of extra services running behind them beyond just the application rates to look for calendar there's a whole bunch of calendar synchronization agents that means that is sort of what is packaged into gaps that's why it's so big right it's got all of the the contact calendar all the Google synchronization stuff fix behind the scenes and then once you flash it right you just get the market you're the Play Store you don't get all of those applications but you need all that extra stuff to make contact and calendar and everything else work with Google and that's all stuff that it was they used to be proprietary and that's what you know you weren't a loud kisser yeah and it's still proprietary but this means they're breaking it out instead of packing yet yeah it's it's it's not propriety it's not technically I mean in reality it's borderline illegal to include that he doesn't mean yeah that's why you know saiyajin water you got in trouble for you know years ago the year they won't allow the pack package google apps with with the rocks and it looks like google's moving into that phase where they're releasing more of their apps to allow people to have the definitely know anything not only that but it allows them to basically say anybody on any device with any skin from any OEM can have the totally stock experience yeah and a unified and doesn't change um okay so moving on we have an update for nova launcher um it's packaged with my realm that i'm running so that's what i'm talking about it busy oh good launch it yeah um basically a lot of bug fixes a lot of bug fixes and also notifications for apps that got updated supporting more apps like google voice and different apps like that you can see how many notifications you have on the icon itself um that's nice well they also emerged changes from android 4.1 22 as well they update the launcher with the the latest launcher code from AOSP mm-hmm and then a chameleon launcher updated to version 1 dot one on the biggest updates for this was a the native android widget support which was kind of nice um chameleon the widget sdk was released to 1.1 and twitter widget and a improved calendar widget which i'm certainly uses a little bit more for those you don't know what chameleon launcher is it is a app that was started through kickstarter on was funded and got a lot of funding how much funding is they get again 50 grand but then they had the whole controversy somebody and then it lost it and it got more yeah yeah okay and then we got a lot of Google Play Store updates a lot arm first we have wish lists which is now available and wish list basically allows you to go to a nap and add it to a wish list or add a bookmark to it basically how I look at it there's no way to sort wish list like let's say i added a book to a wish list and i added a android app there's no way for me to decipher just show me all of my wish list items that are books or things like that so that's kind of disappointing arm nor face to see it what is there any way to see it on the web portal I haven't checked it on the web portal but I know that on the intro damage this web portal I'll tell you what while you're talking about that I would just bring up my web browser here to them now also notice you're on the web portal credits are now available to purchase directly from Google you can buy five dollars $10 $15 twenty-five dollars and fifty dollars from the place first so that's cool too also developers from India can now sell paid apps in the Play Store and supporting more countries is good and is it allows them to create some stuff arm then Derek there was something about google now on google talk would yeah so was it yesterday maybe today bunch android blogs covered the fact that including ours so I'm going to bust on ourselves because hey you have to be you have to be you know you have to be fair and balanced isn't that what fox news's they are so bad so so it's a fair and balanced I'm gonna bust on us and I'm gonna bust on the whole bunch of other Android blogs to the covered this so about a year and a half ago Google came out with guru at the AG talk account it was the google guru and you could send the google guru messages you know say what's the weather the movies sports scores you could do Google searches you know and since all android phones allow you to do voice to text so you hit the Google Talk contact and you say what's the weather and it types it out and voice to text you hit Send and in a few seconds you'll get the weather that's actually been out for about a year and a half um but bunch Android blogs ran it is you know hey look you can now get google now for nan Chi jellybean phones you just have to use a little hack with the google talk well and this is this has been around for year and a half like i said and and also i gotta ran on this subject for a second it's not google now because it's google search google voice search we're going to call it is not Google now Google now pops up card notifications this does not pop up card notifications it's just google search but but yes that functionality has been there for a year and a half if you want to find out the weather by using your voice and you want to do it by google talk well you can google talk if i push the search button on my phone come on now then ask you to message I it was going to go to a browser and give me the answer exactly exactly so it's just another avenue for people to do it you can send it to the Guru I mean everybody remember smarter child from years and years ago with with AOL Instant Messenger well when when the Google guru came out that's what everybody called and everybody said hey look google is bringing back the smarter child but it's always been there it's that's nothing new but move along nothing to see here no binders no binders no binders Oh make me know maybe we should do we should send the Guru a question just ask the Guru binders and women see what he says okay come back with a wise response and so uh so it's a lot of school stuff but still gotta got some some ICS you know it's live been out for a year now and some some jelly bean updates this past week asus asus is a company that updates their damn tablets I mean they've updated nearly every tablet they have we're still waiting for the OG the original to get to get jelly bean but besides that they've been on the ball with all their other flavors of the transformer line they posted firmware for the transformer pad infinity so if you didn't get the OTA you can go ahead and snag that and flash to your heart's content over there updates on verizon will verizon the other ICS and all the things a year later the droid bionic is going to start getting it as of tomorrow actually so if you have a bionic first of all I'm sorry and second of all things outdoors a.m. and start spamming that update button and you know it's gonna be available tomorrow the LG Lucid the the cheap favors you fudge as he was going on next Wow yeah oh yeah it was what 80 bucks and the loose it first came out I was it was a decent deal for it you know a cheap phone it's getting ICS finally huh now and the droid razr HD and RAZR MAXX HD they are announced and they are on verizon and amazon for 199 with the two-year contract so you can go ahead and go ahead and place your pre-order and get those devices now and then the maxx HD is 299 on with a two-year contract and off contract from verizon 649 and from amazon at 729 three nines not for the non max what you should the verizon process at the non max they might be 646 4999 in yeah it's funny that they can call it a max you know when it has a smaller battery you know from the original max ya know better it battery looks as a more efficient processor true yeah i mean acknowledgment the dirty work out better I don't know Gotye yes worth of extra hundred dollars though oh it is to the manufacturer that's really true I know that it's worth it to the consumer well now you know what if you can have a phone that can last for days then and yes it is in my opinion that's right like I'm I hate to say it you know I'm traveling tomorrow to the okay I'm sorry I love to say I'm traveling to Mars to the go the big Android BBQ but I am literally scared to death that that my phone is going to be dead by the end of the day is that because I'm going to be in an area with with 4G i'm gonna be using 4g the whole time i'm there and my phone is not going to make it to the end of the day and that sucks I get great battery life right now but that's because 75% of my time is on Wi-Fi honestly yeah you know what I do what's up I got a nice little 7300 milliamp little battery portable battery unit and it has two USBs on an LED flashlights and i just used so much data and i'm on the device so much that i just keep it in my pocket you know when I when I'm rocking at the club yeah it feels like it feels like selling back like one here you happy see me it's like massively that's like the size of like to a carton of smokes in my pocket but yeah i mean at least i can continue to pull down data and I'll never have to be worried you know it's twice the size of the Galaxy Notes battery galaxy note 2 so no matter what I always have juice on the go you definitely want to get one well it's um the note says reviewers if the nexus 4 came out and was priced at let's say six hundred dollars off contract would you pay a hundred dollars extra for a oversized battery or would you go out and buy a cheaper one third party style let us know in the Google+ page comments because we're watching those so while you're letting us know if you'd spend a hundred bucks for a better battery the HTC butterfly j yeah i i'm not a fan of that name not gonna lie yeah i mean it's it's basically the it's the HTC dicks which we've talked about on the phone a lot or the phone the show a lot it's the HTC droid incredible x or you know what are the you know the droid x l I mean no one really knows what the other names works they were all rumored and speculated but but yeah so so that phone is coming out in Japan arm is it going to be rebranded and come out on verizon as the HTC droid x el the HTC di x is it going to be the HTC nexus 5 there's all sorts of rumors and speculations I personally would love and I've said it before I would love for the HTC nexus 5 rumors to be true for to come out on verizon and for me to buy it on the day that it's released now i'm kinda i'm gonna have to watch japan because the battery I don't remember how many milliamp hours it has the battery is kind of small in my opinion in HD and that's basically what HTC has done in the past HTC has a history of under sizing their batteries and in my opinion they always have done that so you vote for Jenna yeah yeah oh man I can cry live my evo 4g really yeah that is that possible I was also running a very highly tuned kernel for it yeah will you I do this but how to turn aligned in what you make it can imagine yeah exactly like maybe she's hardly too Curt I'll tell you what damn time I think I said well the reason why I get all the battery life out of my one axis fun if your job baby trigger nice are selling is the HTC nexus 5 turns out to be true dan I better be running your damn colonel within a week that's all I'm saying yeah i won I don't don't work the line i'll be your beta tester developed for blowing your really real colonel death I don't need no hardware are you talking about you mean like the what 97 x 30 plant form devices that I've never haven't been yeah yeah you don't own 30 HTC phones yet you make kernels from you i'm sorry you used to make kernels for every single damn HTC phone out there so um i'm bringing you back you know i'm bringing you back back from the dead alright so let's talk about some carrier info here huh Scott so so Isis is coming out right yeah like are rumored to come out the 22nd um this is gonna be interesting to see how this goes um I'm curious to see what the reaction will be and I mean right now it's just really a lot of unknowns and it's a platform that's really knew that has hindered a lot of other platforms in adoption of NFC in general I wish them the best of luck but I don't know how the adoption is going to be if they force it on people and that's kind of what they're doing in the sense of taking other apps and not allowing them in the app store or not allowing people to use other things and restricting them so I don't like this walled garden version of it but it is nice to have more competition because then Google will increase you know they'll innovate with google wallet and add new features and so I guess this is good in the end but want to see how the success of Isis is actually going to be and they're doing a little different there do nfc-enabled Sims mean after that's a little different you know then the current you know Google Wallet NFC devices right now I mean it's actually a piece of hardware on the actual device versus you know you slap in a sin to use it then that's interesting well see what that does better uses lots of devices very quickly mm-hmm that's better for you in the city so much at stake with regards to all of this you know there's the fights going to continue raging on you know and there's you know also when you consider like the Geographic limitations there's still a lot of Industry incumbents you know in the financial payments industry obviously banks and others you know they're investing a lot of resources into this to try and get their piece of the pie yeah yeah because they want people to pay from something that they always have um and make it you know less and less of carrying a wallet and credit cards and snow around and just hey I've my phone out because I like looking at my phone and I'm talking with people oh you make so much like in Hong Kong or in Japan or South Korea people don't even carry women okay purses and then don't really have wallets it's just all on their phone so all you have to do is look to these more mature sort of smartphone economies that have had this technology in place for a long time and to know it is inevitable and that consumers are comfortable with there it's just there's still a lot of fighting that has to be done in the West thanks for related fighting or another all is gonna play you know you know I mean that that's basically going on right now you know 80 who would have thunk it is not impressed that that remember the percentage but a very large percentage of the u.s. spectrum is now owned by one company because yeah sprint sprint actually is now 50 point eight percent so it basically based basically you know almost 51% almost a controlling majority of clearwire controlling majority that is a controlling majority it did well if the point point anything percent is a controlling majority they control more more shares than anybody out a lot a lot of foreign ownership surprisingly too well yeah seventy percent owned by Japan yeah well some thank you so thank you though so yeah well not owns them yet it's obviously not the FCC year your ft CEO let me well you know that yes ma releases that report saying Americans are paying like what four to five times the rest of the world is paying for per gigabyte on when you milk will have some of the other stuff and like just downed away your anchor ltd it was only double with the differences then they're really really gouging Americans for texts and phone calls whereas they are that everywhere else well the ending up to right now because I mean it's all going to be in data they're trying to squeeze out all of the things that they have left because it you know eventually they're gonna be you know obsolete and SMS will be no longer and all those different things will they won't its data yeah they won't have to charge for them because people won't want them at all so it'll just be over data and it'll be fast and it'll be nice but they're trying to penny pinch people right now the thing is is that so back to that clearwire on there there oh they're a wimax solution and if I'm out there not I mean yes they are but because it take part in our dinner art thing they currently run a wimax network that his sprint's 4g wimax they are also currently building a net against tdd-lte affinity ddm could use the only such network in america and one of I don't know why all of the sudden got the idea that wasn't gonna buy out clearwire it looked from the start like one of softbank's conditions was sprint buys out clearwire because clear what herb softbank runs a TDD LTE network in Japan so they want to be able to basically do a massive economy of scale one device that can run on their networks in the US and in Japan and anywhere else that they work with and now they're going to send this yeah the thing about td-lte is that infrastructure Lee it's a lot less expensive like once they already have the infrastructure path established look you know it's not going to be expensive for them to recoup their investment you know and yeah and hopefully North American carriers they stop doubting people because it's gonna get pretty cheap for them from here on it ya know and especially with all the work this print is done with their network vision yeah with like to build out Clearwire's TDD LTE network it's not going to be oh god we have to wait forever for fewer where to go put up tower put out our put up tower they're just gonna roll into the sprint towers add a box to the very modular setup that they have exactly the switch and it's up and they can put the aggregate all of clearwire spectrum holdings which are substantial on top of sprint's so they can go from the five by five LTE that they're running right now which is why it's so slow and boosted out to 10 by 10 or even 20 by 20 to go up to what Verizon and AT&T hat or further is no thank you i 5 10 by 10 that's spending hurt blocks okay gotcha so it's the imagine it it's sort of the width of the tube um data so it's more data a very low diameter sort of amount that can go through there's currently which is why it's slow whereas 18 T and Verizon running on 10 by 10 which is a lot a lot bigger I have a question for you Dan I mean obviously a lot of a lot of news about huawei and ZTE and you know those are the largest some of the largest carrier telecom equipment factures in the world and they produce like pretty good stuff in his cheap but uh you know this sort of politicized for Porsche demonizing them you know saying that there's a secret packets of data going back to the Chinese government would you think about all that I think it's a lot of American political um I think that they're not for the ziti devices that were actually found to do the head but not phones actually we're talking just the attackers okay okay okay Justin yes Carrie very device we're talking about art like hard work not something that he is you know number two in the world for that kind of stuff yeah you're like into all these other big players right ya know the White House let leaked a report basically saying there's absolutely no evidence backing that up we there's no problems with these things we don't know what anybody's talkin about I think it's reasonable to believe that there are people in American politics who would like to cast China and Chinese manufacturers in America and a very negative light mm-hmm I think it's an interesting subject to bring up you know what happens if some overseas company tries to do that and it would be detrimental to all of our data on getting sent over and you know there are extreme cases but I think it's a very interesting topic uh yeah I mean I'm not saying that it's not worthwhile to be cautious but I be confident of anything fun attractions to what your the White House is it on your cyber warrior honest yeah the State Department does said you know no purchasing lenovo laptops no but I mean we have to consider where all are met Oh technology's made and we know why you know cuz the cost of labor so exactly on the political element and it's like what are you guys doing you know you're trying to bite the hand that feeds yeah I think it has a lot more to do with politics than any kind of reality yeah maybe so uh we get a little off topic here so let's bounce back here so the last thing a care your news i want to yell about for a second is in in the Play Store billing is coming to verizon which is almost shocking because verizon doesn't like to do these type of things but you'll be able to buy things on from the play store content from the store and have it be build up to a certain amount directly to your verizon bill no that's that's that's cool mom and that's nice for four kids in my opinion that you know don't have credit cards their parents uh parents give them a little allotment so you know which me oh it was just hard blocked by verizon don't go over you can set them out so they can go ahead and buy a they can go ahead and buy apps and music and songs and everything don't have to worry about it I think I've done just off a lot of parents crazy but you know what for it's gonna make verizon make money somehow you know they're going oh yeah their earnings came out saying they make more money yet they're still finding ways to screw their customers so um yeah why not you know let's keep it up you know more money money's good American why even will get the american way it is American Way um so so let's talk about some miscellaneous news here so tomorrow is the first day of the big Android BBQ in hurst texas o yours truly yours truly will be there definitely excited if you have me paying attention and you're watching or listening to this tonight or tomorrow on your way there a gum download the show the podcast when jimmy and you have your airplane flight you know most people fly more in an hour right bring us to the only the plane with you slap it on your phone stop it on your tablet headphones and listen to it offline if that is it's perfect i'll kill an hour we weren't that exciting tonight but you know oh no that's fine we're just getting started but we still have we covered when we covered a whole bunch of topics right so as always so so so yeah so the the barcrawl the saturday night event where well you walked around the bars more crawled it as a light coat night goes on you may have actually crawled a barge but uh the official bar crawl has been officially canceled but have no fear it's cancelled for a good reason HTC and nvidia are here ah HTC is going to have a one party at the actual Hearst conference center and vendor parties and knock a lot been too many of them before vendor party are great and they're going to be giving away a whole bunch of stuff so let's see it's going to be from 732 1130 on Saturday night they're gonna have a cash bar but Nvidia's rumored to be doing something drink'll ring cries wow it's a big boom a little bit of thunder going on here so I can't disconnect with my apologies um so I say yeah so Nvidia is going to come drop drop some drinks on us don't know the details on that they're coming music there's gonna be prizes and all sorts a good time so if you're there at the barbecue definitely stop it stop by the HTC one party with nvidia on saturday night said it ends 1130 if you want to your own bar crawl afterwards and that's uh that's perfectly fine to making me jealous here dare i know you should be going yo you just hop on a plane right now you know i'm excited right now you'll probably get here by what saturday unless inside my room my request is that can you get a GoPro camera strapped your head and then maybe you can hack it so we can get a live beautiful glasses yeah that's what i want to say i want to be there well um there's going to be actually a whole bunch of people live streaming this event as well as the actual barbecue folks themselves they're gonna be live streaming a lot of the sessions and but a lot of the the fun socializing from what I hear I'm talking to various people is going to be streamed via hangout on air so there's going to be you'll be able to tune in there's me pictures posted videos posted yeah you'll be able to you know see what we're getting into down there for all from the internet you're gonna have a great time all the address osseous you know when that part of the world are gonna be there so you're gonna be able to represent don't be there gorilla suit to Dan did you touch on kittens at all uh no there wasn't a whole lot of news on that this week I just apples appeal of the heat galaxy tab yeah united kingdom uh they lost their appeal which now means they're going to have to put on their UK website and in the press in the UK public apologies for accusing samsung of being a copycat and publicly acknowledging that Samsung is not copying them in any way it's gonna be really interesting to see how they try and play that one their PR people are the wheels are spinning in the mud I can feel it yeah that's the top spin then yeah I think that's a spectacular like punishment for patent trolls oh man one thing I do watch on um is the new Chromebook it was really ever get some questions about that from Stevie I sell yea though neutral esta made by samsung it is $249 and you get a hundred gigabytes of free google drive storage for two years arm that's awesome that is all has two gigs of ram has a an ARM processor that's actually how they're able to get the pricing down a lot more from the previous models it had the previous models came with various Intel CPUs and this has a Exynos processor processor and it actually so it's a little bit different that doesn't mean it's not fast though I've seen you know demo videos of it it's it's nice and fast yeah I what's interesting no sorry this is like an ideal device for grandparents people that use you know minimal stuff also people that watch videos and things like that arm also if you have more than one google device so let's say you have a whole bunch of android devices across your family or whatever and want to share a google account cingular one that's a hundred gigabytes of free storage for two years that's cheap yeah yeah I mean that's really cool if you've because I have a tablet phone may be getting another tablet maybe get another phone here and at some hundred gigabytes over all those devices I can back up a lot of different things you have fun with that you know what's what's an interesting note about this uh Russell Holly a former show guests as well as a writer for geek calm was talking about this earlier today that you can buy a new Chromebook in the the 250 Chromebook and a nexus 7 android tablet for 450 bucks so to him for four hundred fifty dollars and to get like oh that's a good deal it does a similar functionality out of the new microsoft surface tablets that are coming out with a keyboard that's 600 bucks so you get two devices for the price of one and save $150 if you look at it now it's ineffective I mean in tellers intel has dominated the space for a while you know they're scrambling to get mobile and obviously we're seeing really good performance out of single core processors but just how much they charge you know just for the actual technology that they're giving manufacturers you know arm has never done that even Apple if you go really deep into the supply line rumors even Apple is uh apparently carrying out for an arm-based arm-based notebook so yeah it'll be interesting to see how things shake up I mean we know that you can do it if they just strip down the colonel and they create something custom daddy that's was there until just squeezed out yes that's mean that's why I Apple is starting to push their own architecture the intersecting with this Chromebook is actually exactly what arm chip is in it it is the cortex a15 XE knows 5253 what is they do dual core Exynos 5 oh it's the big guy yeah yeah that's powerful like I'm just beginning to see like the future of how powerful these things are that is the chip that is finally finally Samsung's answer to the the Qualcomm has for granted at yelling at the same time as the s4 pro making it a little less impressive but whatever but I mean a lot of guys are saying though is you know the spec wars is almost close to that I mean 20 megapixel cameras you know obviously more efficient architecture but I mean really like for most people I think that we're beginning is the beginning of the end kind of thing yeah I also do want to point out that with regards to storage um it's 5988 for a year of 100 gigabytes okay take that as x 2 that's about 120 bucks and I'm 49 minus 120 is a keep device you got one hundred and twenty nine dollars but Google builds our own data centers man you know I'm they're an y mean ya better supported yeah very minuscule cost to them but the thing is 129 dollars for laptop yeah yeah I'm gonna probably go pick one up I mean after they get their advertising well I made one for my wife for christmas I'll tell you that right now my wife used to use the cr-48 until her husband decided to put android on the cr-48 and I mean you know that was a fun fun filled day for me I you know like that points went up I had a lot of fun but functionality went way down so so my old uh you know my old demo chromebook i got from google basically has been sitting here on my desk for the past three months just not doing a damn thing and it's not mom my wife uses the tablet she gets on my computer when she needs to but i'm really i'm gonna be getting her a Chromebook for christmas definitely there is that price to fit steel yeah how about uh viewers are you gonna buy one or are you gonna wait for another release because this is pretty cheap and this is one hundred twenty nine dollars i mean that's that's gay people still have to pay to 49 but it's very cheap for hit us packing and I mean why review the notebook for most use cases oh sure I just I don't see a need for it in my life that's like I just forgot skate another device so i have a 7-inch i have a cell phone I have a 7-inch tablet I have a 10 inch tablet with a keyboard I have a laptop and a desktop like I just don't see space for another device in my life no I understand well Darcy I'd like to thank you again for being on the show is nice to have you on here maybe we'll get you back here and then another time develop skill are you being over there now saw the world right now literally uh 12 hours ahead of us so it's okay so thank you very much or having me it supposedly we have you again I will be back with videos other questions here we'll go and check the comments here real quick see if anybody has any other questions for us here okay so uh we're good as usual you can find us at the same same bat-time same bat-channel whoa oh yeah those are there's a where Scott every thursday night at eight-thirty central dirty what time was it when we start started it for you 830 in the morning here is a 30 the morning ok so oh yes that's okay it's 12 hours and hit that I said 830 p.m. on thursday nights and if you guys are watching us on our youtube channel android authority um if you want to participate in the show and add comments and enter perspective um check out our google+ page because that's where we broadcast this and to look at most of the comments also if you don't want to watch us on video because we are ugly um or no or if you just don't want to meet a man with the videos a lot of thing yeah if you just want the audio and go to soundcloud um it's an android app also stitcher radio you'll also find us on iTunes for all you I fans and we also do have an RSS feed for audio and news and also on android authority com if you scroll down to the bottom right side of the page there's a section called on air and all of our posts and shows go into there all right Darcy thanks for coming buddy and Dan as always we loved having you here have you met everybody and we'll be back next week and I'll be reporting all sorts of debauchery from the the big Android BBQ every mile fun I know have fun this weekend I'm sure going to have a great time yep