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welcome to android authority on air the original android hangout show on google+ I'm Derek Ross I'm Scott Anderson and this week we're joined with Dan Charlton again dan thanks for joining us on the show we love having you always nice to be here so Scott what's on the agenda this week we had a lot of device news adding on to our rumors that we had last week we have a lot more nexus of rumors also apple released the ipad mini we're going to do a little comparison of the devices that are out now what kind of budget devices you can look into and what are the benefits of each device and how does it really stack up if it is this an invite innovative release or not there were me going into some routing and ramen and some patent wars good news for people who don't like the spring back and some OEM news and profit some earnings calls information alright so let's start with app updates a dead trigger I released a Halloween edition basically you get a graveyard area pumpkin-headed zombies and a crossbow and then swiftkey flow basically it's like swype but with more predictive text there's a video on YouTube that kind of demonstrates it it's pretty interesting what do you guys think of it biggest in that video yeah you know I'm not a fan of swype its novelty wears off on me and after the first day but I think it's niceness swiftkey is one of the number one if not one of the number one you know alternative keyboards out there to see them enter the swiping gesturing you know text you know it's going encroach on swype itself so i have more competition i think it's great i think yeah you know after i watch their little demonstration video that was pretty neat am I gonna try it more probably but I won't stick with it yeah I mean we'll swype and SwiftKey also had very different sort of approaches to the market right like individuals can't just yet swype by and large they're trying to sell to OEMs to bunt letting the htcs and bundle it into other manufacturers devices where's swipe lyst you know just there for anybody yeah now that we're on the topic of keyboards and rumored nexus keyboard with swype like features what you guys think about that would you guys be excited about that I wouldn't be surprised to see Google integrate some kind of gesture raced into their keyboard yeah I mean that was that was a rumored in the on which we'll talk about later in the show but it was rumored the that that was going to be coming out at least the text that was on a car from warehouse said gesture typing so it enough people like it enough people use it sure I mean you know I think it's a viable option it's just not something for everybody now so Derek since you're a huge fan of turntable and I just don't have the time for it ow what happened with that up up up there well turntable earlier in the week late last week came out an update for their app that allowed you to view Halloween habit are so you know on on turntable depending on how many points you have or how many points you don't have you can select your your various uh mice and or gorilla suits and you know and now based on your point allotment you can select Halloween avatars so that's all the the app update added the ability to see the new avatars not a major update just a festiva update for the season that we're in you know do they still have the monkey suit yes you can still be the gorilla you can still be the gorilla um I I however changed mine earlier i am not to knock the gorilla anymore i'll even know what i am he has like a red gas mask on Scotty brown and I picked the same one earlier where DJ and earlier today so had the his good taste and then are continuing on with app updates fxcamera had a big app update on it also had a price drop danby know more about that I know they added a bunch of actual features of the articles that i saw talking about it made sure to comment that I mean they added some filters too but they like to point out that filters or filters not features as much as Instagram might like you to think otherwise um but they added a lot of different uh sort of controls to it and higher level controls I mean I'm not really a big photography guy but a lot of different sorts of not zooms but balancing and like control and gamma control and some kind of weirds I role-based focus thing that I don't understand but it seemed really interesting especially if you're into photography at all I DeRay you won't talk about uh so uh jelly bean updates we don't really have a lot this week it's pretty much the galaxy s3 so the international version is rolling out still in our chances are you have it if you're across the pond somewhere if you're here in the good old US of a sprint started pushing out the jelly bean update for their variant of the galaxy s3 now unfortunately a whole lot of other galaxy s there are um jelly bean update news hopefully it's it start sketching on faster more more devices that you know start getting in here in the very near future but uh speaking of devices the Galaxy Note 2 launch event was this past week and right now you can snag it arms are you can you can snag it for tmobile and for sprint right now it's for sale however AT&T and verizon are a little bit different in US cellular is a little bit different as well as up north and canada so on verizon you can pre-order it starting today it'll ship on the venom burg 27th and unlike other variants out there you have a custom verizon branded home button just in case you didn't know what carrier you were on verizon is going to tell you buy the home button as i say eighteen t you can pre-order today as well you'll get a little bit sooner november seventh it's dropping on AT&T US cellular October 26th for pre-order and in Canada most carriers are going to allow you to pre-order it on October thirtieth such as or I'm sorry it's arriving October thirtieth like Telus bell rogers and so forth now if you've been watching the show in the past you've probably heard us talk about a rumored HTC devised a five inch device you know we've called the HTC di X's was rumored to be called the droid incredible X then last week you know as well maybe it's maybe that I isn't an L I'm sorry me and maybe the eye is an L you know maybe it's the the DLX and not the dicks so the DLX was called a deluxe there was a tall that's its final name but now we have some leaked information from verizon showing an HTC droid DNA so we don't know what that is chances are that will be the verizon name of the deluxe at least that's what rumors and speculation are pointing at now so if you're waiting for the 5-inch phone from HTC on verizon chances are it'll be called DNA at least that's like I said that's what we think now I wonder how they're gonna play off the DNA I wonder if it's going to be some type of remember the original atrix the finger uh thumbprint unlock maybe they're not play often I don't understand whether going with DNA I mean so at first I think God deed now obviously droid right HTC d so what's what's the na stand for I business you still need to be there yeah I might just be DNA as a whole yeah yeah so yeah well yeah I unos um I guess we'll find out in the very near future so the celexa boats are changed on those rumors and it's up to 2 gigabytes now or is originally they've been talking about the incredible X being delayed 1.5 gigs whereas they've set it up to two to match the butterfly J and pretty much the butterfly J spec says that's the phone that was you know released in japan those either don't know basically that's that's the phone we're talking about we just don't know what it's gonna be called whenever it comes up two different states here yet did you see those videos on YouTube about it no I had not have you Scott yeah there it looks like a really really nice device only the 1080p to screen I mean that's yeah over 400 pixels per inch that just blows the retina of all the things out of the water I just wish it was a nexus you know what and I said it all along if the the HTC nexus 5 rumor panned out that was gonna be my phone like that this is what I wanted to buy but now that it's not make sure i could probably really don't know that it's not i just think that it's not 11 next week it's it yeah it's no it's not yet yeah yeah where i will you we don't know but uh I I don't know I still want that phone I guess what is X is fun so speaking of Nexus murmur speaking Nexus rumors you know since you know there's a major event happening in just a few days here in the 29th we better start ramping up these rumors you know every single day having something new and we have a lot of Nexus information I just fear that we're all gonna be burned out before the 29th uh no no no no no don't you remember less actually yours that gives us something to talk about every single day scar true not like the election yeah all right so nexus 7 32 gig well that's pretty much a done deal considering the fact you can order it from office depot right now um they may have done it Jump Street firms yeah they may have jumped the gun but it's listed for 250 bucks which is the same price as the 16 gig variant so uh yeah so if you happen to buy one from from office depot make sure that you're not getting the same one is in stock is the 16 gig make sure you're getting the 32 gig version of that staples retail system also showed leaked screenshots of the 32 gig nexus 7 4 250 bucks and you know to continue to add to that rumor speculation that really is pretty much anything but confirmed from the source right now the the Play Store 8 gigabyte variant just says coming soon so is that going to be dropped completely is that going to be the $99 tablet you know we don't know is the 16 gig version going to go to two hundred dollars and then 250 for the 32 we don't know yeah I mean there's all sorts of speculation what do you guys think on that I mean I will see that I probably think that the eight gigabyte will go away it might come back as 3g only but I don't think you'll get the eight gig Wi-Fi anymore and then they'll make the 16 gig 200 yeah I really think that we will not see the egg gigabyte anymore I think it it it will just be phased out because they need to compete and all for a base that is compatible with other bases and comparable with a size hard drives are a hundred bucks an eight gig device that that's competing in nineteen oh my that's what I don't think that they'll drop the egg egg nexus 7 to one hundred dollars that's not gonna happen yeah yeah you know I I do agree with you there i think if the hundred-dollar rumor does turn out to be true that might be a it would be different hardware a three and that might be the 3g version which let's talk about that so just recently you know the nexus 7 3g rumors started running rampant again because why it passed through the FCC so what a device runs through the FCC here in the US that means it's coming uh necessarily but it did did give me to this case yes but not okay stuff so the device basically it's the same model number as the Wi-Fi version except as a G on the end of it and then in design schematics also point out various radios the radios that are on there supporting ATT and tmobile hspa+ bands so it's a gsm does that mean we're going to see an LTE version will not yet so question about the 3g arm i personally don't think it's a smart move just released 3g if it gets released but what would be their thoughts behind just releasing an old technology I mean what would they ever do it they're thought behind it would be that's what's functionally possible with the hardware in the device mmm and you know hspa+ 3g is just as fast as verizon's LTE is in most areas now ah not 18 case for tmobile says t-mobile's you you're right oyaji mobiles okay I don't know many people have tmobile but when I compared to AT&T LTE on verizon just blows them out of the water t-mobile is doing it right now there-there's is much faster so but but either way I mean I think they may be went with the lower technology you know a 3g maybe for price maybe I don't know but what about dumb carriers you know kiedy carrier subsidized or it would have to be bound to a carrier you know if they went to if they they had LTE possibly no I don't think so because I think that if Google is going to sell it they're going to do it in the same kind of way that Apple does where it's a we sell the tablet you the consumer can add on a you know lte-capable one and then the plan is all on you mm-hmm and I don't think it would be interesting though if it did have 3g or LTE being carrier subsidized and being free you know or maybe ninety nine dollars yea nor I think that they could subsidize it a little bit more um but a free device free free tablet for you know just adding on some data storage you know that's only like Wilfer verizon it's ten dollars per device on you guys yeah yeah that's pretty nice actually now Paul Brian from Monaco which generally seems to know what he's talking about since he added this device way back in September beginning a sep tember I believe he he said that the 32 gig version is the only version that is going to have 3g so we're not going to see a 16 gig 3g and maybe not an eight if they're completely doing with the eight they said that the that the 3g version is 32 gig so we'll see what happens with that here i guess in a few days but that's interesting that so it's the more expensive model so maybe we will see it subsidized someone who knows maybe yeah so let's move on to other devices other Nexus rumors so the Nexus 10 continue to leak a few different places this week we saw the famed the rite of passage the picasa leak and if you don't remember i know that is a pretty much you have to leak on picasa to be a Nexus device in my opinion every every Nexus device in the Nexus 4 on picasa yeah Nexus 4 is on there the Galaxy Nexus Nexus 7 Nexus S I mean they they all leaked picasa images you go to you log in the picasa you look at the exif data and you get down through and it says device name device type and it says no nexus 10 so it's showing up there it's also worth noting that it's very easy to take that data it is very easy to fake that data you are one hundred percent we're all getting excited about the rumors 229 exactly so so uh besides data that can't be faked images that could be faked but then they look pretty darn real I'll showed up on a Korean blog site today they were the paperback manuals for the nexus 10 and it gave us a little bit more information about the Nexus tendon we didn't officially have we found out about the micro USB port they might grow HDMI port which is interesting and an LED it kind of actually looks like a lot like a Galaxy Nexus and with the rounded corners and then the LED on it just like obviously 10 inches um has a rear camera and a front camera which we knew a little bit from the leaked information before but one thing that is interesting at least to me is it has a proprietary charging port like other Samsung devices do I you know that's usually not how a Nexus rules it usually is micro USB but maybe it has to have proprietary charging port for power reasons maybe USB just can't push the juice for that for the larger battery and then maybe it needs a larger battery for that jaw-dropping 2650 by 1600 Apple retina destroying display I actually find that hugely disappointing for a couple of reasons because if they can't do it over my car USB that means that they aren't able to use USB 3.0 they aren't able to use USB 3.0 means it's not connecting us 5 mm I guess we'll find out because it's supposed to have an exodus 5n so I guess we'll find out in the very near future all I can say is I may or may not have talked to somebody that played with it recently and they said it was phenomenal in terms of quality out so don't care why a picture on it was better than other 30 inch LCD TV oh yeah so okay I would have both micro USB and a proprietary or charging port what are you gonna do with micro USB port if you already have this proprietary cord how do you need the transfer data to what to something values this private military court is gonna do that meant the proprietary cords maybe it's just for charging so you have two cords that's even worse no I'm not saying it's good i'm just reading information that's on the that's on the the leaked manual mean who knows i I'm I'm fairly certain that that's what's gonna happen I mean may it makes it doesn't make sense but it makes sense off the images you have your charging cable no you're you're because you know apple doesn't right you have your charging cable and then you have your unlike Apple then you have a USB cable to transfer data so those are all in one so well they can because we know patents okay so all this hardware talk what do you guys think that they're gonna price it at that's that's actually very interesting i I'm gonna bet it's going to be a higher-end price it's not going to be able to base the base model for the ipad is 499 for the ipad yeah for the ipad is yeah 50 500 and the iPad Mini is 329 and do you think they're going to offer a premium tablet for comparable to like in the middle of that or do you think that they're going to go straight ahead and try to attack the ipad with full-blown high quality everything and like 450 I think that they will undercut the the retina iPad I think they'll I think they'll match the ipad to the four hundred dollar price 400 okay I I think that that would be a good price point 350 if they can do 350 and I'm just be no no I i know i don't know if it's possible but the thing is if they can sell it add cause for 350 and be just above the ipad mini and that would really really really get like they'd put a very big dent in apple's fourth quarter I don't know what happens I hope it I hope it does I do too but the thing is you know when people look at those two devices oh I have a you know tenant screen and though I have you know a smaller one at 7.9 um and it has an extremely high resolution it's ridiculous and I think it'd be very easy decision yeah definitely especially with that have a resolution that's way above what the even the the new new super new ipad 4th generation is alright so let's so we'll talk about the ipad here a little bit we go over the neck the almost said nexus many god someone punched me in the face we're going to talk about the ipad mini a little bit less taco let's tell ow sorry google let's uh yeah don't hate me Oh that's odd the nexus for a big imagination let's say that's actually geek a little bit talk a little bit about hardware with a nexus 4 because we know we know a lot or at least we assume we know a lot about it so who said you know Nexus 4 is like every other Nexus device we just mentioned is leaking all over the place it's going to be announced in a few days you know car from warehouse actually today had it up for pre-order and then apparently somebody said oops um the image that you're using isn't even the real image it's a fake image you shouldn't have it up here so they removed it what's that Dan the fake image was of a custom rom yay it wasn't just like a fake Nexus image it was a custom rom like the way damage that had that had that was three battery percentages on it or look a center that of the battery was 92 degrees and the temperature outside was 92 degrees something it was something was glad I was not like obviously fake oh yeah yeah I saw that thing as I yep that's not real why would they put third-party apps and the official yeah yeah but anyway so so it was taken down before was taken down we got to read it thoroughly and see a lot of interesting things on it so it said that it was coming with jelly bean Android 4.2 it didn't say 4.2 is called key lime pie and I'll just fine quite 1.2 somewhere in there yeah well now and then a little bit later actually in the in the header or in the big bold it said android 4.2 and then when you dug down in the overview like the technical specs the fine print it's an android 4.1 point2 so obviously they still know what exactly it's coming with there's a little bit of discrepancy there um but one thing I can tell you about the device man what we might not know what version of Android specifically it comes with and that's fine a numbers a number i really don't care but it is pretty awesome um it it's better build quality than the Galaxy Nexus meaning that it feels a lot more solid it doesn't creak or you know there's no play to it it's just a lot better built device and it looks exactly like the Galaxy Nexus a pro except for there's no curve glass-like and then we turn it over obviously the backs different but it's extremely solid and man it flies because of the hardware I mean the hardware is amazing it it you're going to want this device and sadly we haven't seen it popped through the FCC yet for an LTE version so I'm a little conflicted with that but let's uh let's get into some hardware here so so Dan you're my hardware guru so I see the Galaxy Nexus its GPU was 384 megahertz it was a power view our chip versus the Adreno 320 which runs at 400 megahertz how big of a difference is that in terms of like graphics those of us the one else took to gain you know is that massive massive now dan I know and I know that the the 384 that can be overclocked and what are the oh and I know that you can overclock it to like 500 something um yeah no I I know some kernels like franco.kernel can do that but what is the overclocking ability of the Adreno is there more I have absolutely no way of knowing that yet okay okay these are all obviously specs that are based off of the optimus G and then specs that have been leaked from various websites that have leaked the device and had a little bit of hardware specifications how I get a bunch of hardware specs we must get various websites my sources are the manufacturer and the code that they're putting into the check well good good that's why you're a hard work idea all right so so let's move also make 100 megahertz that's because that's what the code says it is all right so let's move a little bit talk about the CPU i can say we're gonna geek a little bit talk about hardware so the Galaxy Nexus right it's a 1.2 gigahertz dual-core processor cortex a9 the LG Nexus 4 1.5 gigahertz quad-core krait so it's almost a two more course but besides being a no-go core a9 CPU I mean that mean it's quite a different chip obviously it's a beast but but what but what's that what's the big difference there Dan well even if you were to ignore the two extra core works then you'll be talking about the the s4 right the 1s the 1x the s3 the the samsung galaxy s3 all of those devices versus the Galaxy Nexus that's already a huge difference in performance because the Quakers are that much better than the cortex a9 cores in the Nexus and it's not the ti built a bad chip it's just old at this point and putting four Krait cores and do it is it's just not even a fair competition it will crush the Galaxy Nexus and it's going to be substantially this this processor is substantially better than anything else that is currently available I don't know how it stacks up against the Exynos 5 because there isn't a realistic comparable I mean there's the Chromebook but I mean it's not running the same operating system so that exactly i saw some benchmarks on that trying to compare it and I was like that's impressive but there are two completely different offerings yes very out of contacts yeah and you can't get an accurate price on her or not price a comparison on that show up continue with our geek out here so Ram yeah double the RAM like to nexus one gig LG Nexus 4 to give me well it's also a higher clock speed ram and it not as fast as you're honest so even if it were just one gigabyte of ram it would still be better RAM and there's double higher clock speed memory and those of us that play games know that we wanting a lower latency memory faster memory i miss my gaming daisy or just have a lot of processes in the background or the more you can have running in the background is that it really helps out with project i'm sure people are still gonna complain about how oh my god i'm still using sixty percent of my ram but that's how i enjoyed west coast dear it's supposed to do that you're gonna have two gigs of ram and you're gonna complain they're using 1.5 oh my god such a memory hog no it's just cashing things that you racist stuff that you would have to reload in like hard processor time with our own yogurt banks stop comparing it to your desktop LS comes it up i say what's on your linux but not similar to windows so let's talk about the screen real quick trying to born but here's the Galaxy Nexus it uses super amoled screen with a 16.9 aspect ratio and 316 pixels per inch a little bit better on the LG Nexus 4 it's a actually so very very slightly saw screen bump it's coming from a 4.65 24.7 very very very slight bump the screen but the big thing about the screen it's an IPS LCD screen so it's a 318 pick the a and not pentile 318 pixels per inch so that's basically the same slightly different aspect ratio those 16 x 10 yeah um so so so so the difference between Super AMOLED and IPS LCD it's it's light years ahead in quality you know brightness and saturation the colors on it should be so much better it's just a lot better technology and for the screen and the battery you know since it doesn't have a removable replaceable battery the LG Nexus 4 people are saying oh you know we want to be able to buy a bigger battery for and like code for the Galaxy Nexus well remember remember the Galaxy Nexus the stock battery was seventeen hundred million bowers the LTE had in 1850 and it was replaceable so you get the big guy at the 2150 if you wanted to which a lot of people did the LG nexus 4 it comes to 2100 milliamp hour battery that's also LG's new battery technology that's supposed to be something like sixty percent more yes exactly LG said that they can get sixty percent more out of the same capacity than their competitors that's a bug is crazy price and how about the screen with power consumption how does the pentile compared to the IPS that's going to be in there I mean IPS is a very low power but nothing beats and will let in terms of power consumption I mean that's why Samsung like sitting this very low power R that's because when it's displaying black it's not using power right like most displays when it's displaying black it is displaying black it whereas on an AMOLED screen black is just the absence of display so I mean it uses less power particularly if you use a lot of dark themed applications backgrounds etc yeah so moving on the camera and a lot of people have gripes about the 5 megapixel camera but it had 5 megapixel autofocus single LED flash and 1080p video recording LG Nexus 4 nice bump to 8 megapixel autofocus single LED flash and 1080p video recording again I think that's becoming the standard and don't know why the Galaxy Nexus was released with five remember remember it doesn't really so much matter about the megapixels I mean it's nice to have more but it were really more concerned about the actual hardware the camera the actual lens and sensor no I agree but the one in the galaxy nexus isn't amazing feel they're using the same 8-megapixel focus or a sensor that they're using in the AT&T LG whatever it's called Optimus G I think it's actually the same one that HTC uses in the 1-series nobody that would be decent image so in such a pickle with a very high quality sensor ok I said when we've seen these pictures taken of the latte show up on picasa and it wasn't bad you know we also actually a the Belarusians site took a bunch of pictures with it and posted and now they were obviously using a beta device and all you know so you know quality you know comes to get better once you know binaries are updated drivers or you know perfected and everything like that so it looks uh let's you know let's stop talking about nexus rumors for a minute let's talk about the big guy or the little guy that was released this week that was revolutionary everyone's client it um yeah so so Scott tell me about the ipad minute you want one right you're by like six right I so the ipad mini Wi-Fi only version we're going to compare three different versions we're going to compare the ipad mini nexus 7 kindle fire HD all our Wi-Fi only we're going to go by base price based models and we're going to see who kind of wins here and where you should put your money and where we are going to put our money so the ipad mini seven point nine inches it's a 1024 x 768 aid that's a 163 DPI at the base model costs three hundred and twenty nine dollars and that has 16 gigabytes of storage it's a claim to get 10 hours of battery life it does not have NFC because apparently they don't think NFC is catching on it all Wi-Fi model doesn't go is it yeah um Wi-Fi model does not have GPS which is that's amazing which is completely I mean that's very well the thing is I don't think they need GPS because their Maps don't require me I guess that makes sense I mean if you can't figure out where you are on GPS then why have it yeah well so let's say you're the year at a coffee shop right because iPad users are you know the drinking coffee right so you're in there you're getting that you're getting the coffee made and you're like huh on the check in on foursquare what do you do well oh you can do Wi-Fi yeah but you can't position you within roughly a thousand meters no I mean well with Google and Android and how it remembers all that stuff like like location history it's gotten pretty dang good like I can literally get on the bus and it'll show my location as I go down the street just with Wi-Fi on it's actually kind of scary but it's getting more accurate and it's pretty cool so and that saves me battery life because I want to turn on the GPS but they don't have life I bouncing on and off and pulling all of those uses a crapload more battery than your GPS well you know why they know where all those Wi-Fi hotspots are Scott yeah I know because they drove around and yeah okay so um so basically uh Dirk you want to explain the meat to you do ice yeah so it I don't like iOS devices ah but I can appreciate good technology because I'm a tech geek at heart so I can appreciate if something's good and generally the ipad and the iphone have usually set the bar pretty high for comp for you know for other people to compete against for people to try to beat and when you compare a device android device everybody always says well that's compared to the ipad it's compared to the iphone that they do that because it's a benchmark that we know that those are damn good devices but with I mean the ipad mini just is not that type of device you know it is it's almost like they said seven inches taken off we need something smaller let's let's come up with something let's get it out quick and they got it out quick and it's using last year's see baby was just no it's not even using last year's if they just repackaged an ipad 2 into a smaller screen with a new connector and cut seventy dollars off the price better go through so they're using it all what will the ipad 2 processor in there using the ipad unit freeze resolution on I mean you what's amazing is is my whole life even though I haven't used apple products it's I've always known that Apple products have amazing screens that mean they did I mean that's why designers use de meo for code for video for inning of editing graph getting that they're amazing they're just clothes are top-notch so a company that's known for their display quality puts out this piece of in my opinion I mean seriously a 1024 x 768 display Hey look at this uh the goal of this was to compare three so let's move is doing the comparison Scott 1280 by 800 so it's less pixels in general plus it's over a larger screen which apparently is a feature cuz when you want a small tablet your big selling point is it being big yeah I can't believe that they actually put up a bullet point saying our screen is bigger than the nexus 7 well that's cuz you designed it bigger it's not a selling point no no if you want a bigger screen you're gonna get a bigger tablet if you're gonna get it anyways just like okay so moving on let's go over the specs of the other two tablets so NASA 7 Wi-Fi also so the nexus 7 scott compared compared force the ipad mini nexus 7 Wi-Fi only 7 inch tablet 1280 x 800 resolution and that's a 216 DPI uh that's roughly 50 DPI higher than the ipad mini mmm what is that thirty percent more pixels per inch there you go yeah also costs 199 dollars for the eight gig of I version or a hundred and thirty dollars less than five hundred and thirty dollars for something it has better better hardware and we have you seen anything extra for lesser hardware and the thing is we have yet to hear about the october 29th which it's rumored to drop lower so that price difference may be bigger and you may be able to buy more for less so it'll be very as 32 gig for 16 yeah for still eighty dollars less yeah and I think that's what they're going to do because realistically the Nexus 7 has to if everybody is releasing a base model of 16 gigabytes they kinda have to get on the bandwagon with 16 gigabytes but they're apo by entry was the initial let's get in let's really undercut everybody yeah as far as people being upset about the like oh I bought it early also aren't doing all the freebies anymore like if you buy a new nexus 7 today it doesn't come with $25 of play credit and it doesn't come with ten dollars of google wallet and it doesn't come with a free movie and free songs and all the other crap that they threw him before so yeah does it come with the those free play store content I wasn't aware that I knew that I think it comes with anything I know the google wallet in the $25 credit was gone but I'm surprised that it doesn't come with the content yeah I think it was just an initial let's get them a lot of stuff so then we can sell a lot of them and then we can figure out what we want to do with the price so then we don't have to give away the thing to make up for the price differentiator we just have to lower the actual device cost so moving on a 10 hour battery life about the same kindle fire HD Wi-Fi only again now this is more of a content consumption based tablet so it's it pretty much a different type of tablet compared to the ipad mini and the next 7 but it's seven inches as well the resolution is the same as the nexus 7 at 1280 x 800 216 DPI again better or higher resolution than the ipad mini also it does come in at one hundred ninety nine dollars for the 16 gigabyte version which is an interesting price point and is way less than the ipad mini and you do get double the storage of compared to a nexus 7 and it also does have 11 hours of battery life which is good when you're going to be using a tablet for content consumption strictly add because there's not much more you can I mean it's pretty much bread to be a content consumption so the list is the nook HD which actually has an even higher resolution 7-inch screen everybody always forgets about the look for some reason I don't know why the hardwood the hardware's better but nobody ever until they have talked about it yeah it's gonna 1440 x 900 screen which I think it's 264 DPI and it's the same 16 gigabytes had one hundred ninety nine dollars but I don't know it's battery life offhand I probably guess in the eight to twelve are probably right around the same mark okay so I have a question for you guys and our viewers / listeners if you had for two dollars and you had a decision to buy these tablets what would you buy and why yeah let's let us know in the comments what are you buying if you if you had foreigner bucks to spare out of those four three or four devices I mean don't get me wrong Apple is a hell of a marketing company they're gonna sell millions is called millions of them it you know they're gonna sell millions people are going to say how these this jumpstart the economy and all this other crazy stuff because they're gonna sell a lot there are a hell of a marketing company but I just can't believe that that that they're touting this is something amazing when it really isn't it's a little sad I'm disappointed I mean as i said i'm not an iOS device user never have been but I've always respected them they actually lost a little bit Derek points on this one yeah James Gray says that when you break it down it seriously seriously does not compete to the Nexus 7 I definitely do agree and if you gave me four dollars and now I'd buy to Nexus Evans I buy a nexus 7 of the nook yeah yeah yeah I I'd give away another nexus 7 though what's uh as gives let's talk about rooting and rom and there's a not a whole lot of news this week here but just two little titbits information so uh ruin and ramen uh or rude and Robin's ramen noodles noodles me Felicia yeah aokp released jelly bean version 5 jb 5 they added some new devices they added the AT&T galaxy s3 and the AT&T galaxy note some new features or custom navbar for tablets that's nice navbar widgets they're basically back from ICS a big bump in this update was bringing their ICS features to jelly bean also the addition of highly customized customizable lockscreen rings jb version 4 didn't have this which was kind of a bummer and I was kind of waiting for these features to come out but they released him in this build and they're implemented very nicely also you have a alternative default app picker kind of looks like the jelly bean version if menu you I overfly to overflow toggles which is nice also you have the option to disable vibration for notification expansion that was released in four dot one dot to also you do have a ram bar in the recent panel so when you click the recents on the bottom right on a Galaxy Nexus you'll see a ram bar on the top and i'll show you how much ram you're using kind of nice kind of nice to know what's going on with your device also you do have time out instant lock options for your slide to unlock and you have a whole bunch of new icon types or designs to look at and you have VPN traffic the amount of traffic in a readable format so darica what about cm well you know this is more like a honorable mention it's not a whole lot of major news but a lot of people freak out about it so we know we got to talk about it real quick so earlier this week a bug was found in the cm10 code what was happening was a piece of code was running and logging all of the screen unlock patterns that users were using and creating um the code was most likely left in there from you know debugging and testing purposes you know to get it to actually you know work and so forth testing something um how big of a deal is it well somebody would actually have to you know gain access to your phone to be able to do anything with it so not a big deal but you know rest assured if you were scared which you shouldn't have been cm once they found out about they had it patched within a few hours so the nightlies i think starting on the twenty-fourth of um had it patched i believe i might be off on a day on that but either way if you're running a recent nightly you should be fine and you know so why was it in there well if i said that it was in there probably for debugging and testing purposes remember cm10 is still in development they're just nightlies they're not stable build yet so these things will happen I mean it's a development-stage wrong so of course you're going to have development code in there not a big deal there see em team is doing a great job and keep up the good work guys nothing to see here you know move along yeah if that's my opinion on at least dan you think differently no no I mean good it's a log on your device yeah so I'm just gonna have to get past your screen unlock in order to get to the log that tells them how to get a screen on exactly you mean it I mean it's nice to have some added security it's like saying oh god no my keys are sitting out for anybody to take them inside of my locks house so this is my favorite part of the of the segment mrs. bird and talks about patent wars did they get down and dirty with the patents Oh and downs this week especially yeah I'm so gonna um so first the patent and Trade Office the US patent and Trade Office has rejected apples bells backpack the rubber banding patents for when you scroll too far in the list bounce back or in browsers bounce back and they actually rejected it on multiple grounds this is still a preliminary decision so it's subject to for the review and the appeal and the appeal an appeal but yeah it's it's not likely that it's going to come back at this point um so that's definitely good news for samsung since that was what patents that they lost on in the case in California um but in bad news for samsung the ITC has issued a preliminary ruling siding with apple and finding that Samsung infringes on five apple patents three for utilities and 24 designs and I don't know offhand specifically what all five of those are but yeah design patents have traditionally been very weak and their utility patents haven't been particularly strong either so not surprised but then again the ITC generally operates under the assumption that the patents are valid which is the same thing that the court system is forced to do and then after the courts have already done their thing the USPTO comes back and says oh no wait we're just kidding so this is certainly to keep going on then in the Netherlands a accord in The Hague found Samsung not infringing on yet another one of apples touchscreen patents which wasn't particularly surprising since one of the same patents that Apple's lost on all over Europe to samsung and motorola and HTC so they should have seen that one coming and then in more bad news for samsu the Department of Justice according to Apple is apparently investigating samsung for and violations for fair reasonable and non-discriminatory practice violations on their standards essentials patents basically what Samsung has been doing is saying we have these standards essentials patents if you want to license them your test point four percent of cost of device for the pad that shakes out to about six dollars a device apple meanwhile in documents that have been released has been going around telling everybody that they Apple are owed thirty to forty dollars per device in royalties for patents that Apple clearly believes you cannot build a touchscreen device without infringing on them which is pretty much the definition of a standards-essential patent so Samsung asking for six dollars advice is being a horribly violation violating of fair and reasonable and non-discriminatory practice but Apple turning around and asking for thirty to forty dollars totally fine Wow yeah we'll see how that goes I don't think the DOJ is actually gonna get involved because they don't have a lot of ability to institute what constitutes fair reasonable and non-discriminatory also one of the other salient details that a gram of the DOJ has forgotten is that even for very reasonable and non-discriminatory patents the owner is on under absolutely no obligation for the initial offer to be fair reasonable and non-discriminatory they have to negotiate in a way that is fair reasonable and non-discriminatory and come to an agreement on price that meets those standards but their initial offer of you owe as a million dollars of device is free game and Apple just refuses a carp Lodge every time whatever the offer is no we don't need to do that because we're Apple so I don't think it's gonna end up going their way because they just keep losing patents the tape put it up to sue over so let's move on to some huge news that was actually just released recently Samsung just released its financial results for quarter 3 2012 and it's a pretty big one basically the sales of smartphones and display panels drove up revenues to 51 or 52 point 118 trillion won which is about 40 7.5 billion dollars basically that's a twenty-six percent increase over the same time frame last year and operating profits they increased their basically 7.4 billion and that's basically an all-time high for samsung and that amounts to a whopping ninety one-percent increased from last year Wow so that 1 billion dollars they have to pay apple not a big deal yeah we'll be yeah it's go ridiculous I mean they'll fight tooth and nail and probably spend close to a billion dollars to avoid having to pay that billion dollars to Apple yeah but no if they had to pay it not really good yeah if their revenues up twenty-six percent to make fifty billion ya mean ya there okay there okay to lose that funny billion yeah so smart phones and display panels that was a combined 40 7.5 billion just their mobile communications wing of Samsung generated 23.9 billion in revenue just their mobile more than half of all of Samson's right and Samsung builds a lot of not smart phone products yummy things that aren't mobile they build tons of electronics they're the biggest electronics company in the world for more than half of their profits coming from mobile that's impressive a revenue excuse me not profit pretty ridiculous and I don't think that uh the court case hurt them at all if it still you know completely goes through know that all indications are that it's been great sales pitch for some devices yeah I mean they're just really it's crazy um I did want to touch on a comment that was made by yusuf islam he was talking about the nexus 4 and there was a leaked article or a pre-order page that had the Nexus 4 listed as a base model of 8 gigabytes internal storage and it's an interesting topic because you look at past Android devices and we call them lesser Android devices when they had partitioned heart of internal storage that people were just running out of space to store apps and a big nuisance and it kind of still is if people have older Android devices but what do you think about the nexus for offering a base model of 8 gigabytes if it happens all right so if the a gig version is true we don't know yet we won't know officially for a few days um that is I'll be honest that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my entire life when if somebody wants to play a game especially with new android games like high quality android games to take advantage of this amazing hardware right these high quality games are one and a half gig you get a couple of those somebody likes to play games you're screwed you can't do anything to put a space for apps now what about pictures you know having a gig on a tablet it's cool because you don't take pictures on tablet well at least you couldn't the nexus 7 it was only meant for hangouts and you know video chat but so you on our phone on about you but I take tons of pictures on my phone I take tons of video on my phone I have a lot of pictures online my phone I don't want to have to worry about having to go in and delete because i only have eight gig of storage that's that's stupid you know I store all my music on in google music so I don't need local storage for that but I do need storage for pictures in for it in four games I mean 80 gigs not gonna cut it I I am that's cool if an eight gig version is out there to be to be sold really cheap for somebody that can't you know can't needs to save 50 bucks but they need to have a lovely a 16-gauge I'm happy with 16 give me personally if you were to ask me about that uh the eight gigabytes is a step in the wrong direction a hundred percent wrong direction yeah it it allows people that may not know a whole bunch about phones still be pissed off about the fact that they can't hold them any apps not necessarily because it's cheaper but the fact that people just don't know why it's better to get 16 gigabytes as opposed to eight right now my google plus cash is at 1.2 gigs buh-bye so if I had in a gigabyte device right now I would have serious problems and I'd have to delete that cash and I have to keep reloading it and everything like that so 8 gigabytes step in the wrong direction if it's true but we don't know right now i'll open it's not and you know who knows maybe I'll never have a chance to be pissed off at this device cuz I haven't seen a verizon radio go through the FCC yet and I'm not switching care I'm not switching carriers because I can't there's nothing else in this area that I can use please give me a verizon version I'm begging you i will buy it the minute it drops yeah i mean i get that people want the extra storage space it's not something that i particularly need especially on the phone but I mean I get that a lot of people want it and when you're competing against apple and your choices there are 16 32 and 64 coming out with eight it just doesn't cut it I mean just 44 sharemarket reasons it's not smart yea high performance top-of-the-line device oh alright well there's no more questions we're gonna call it a night alright well just let you guys know if you guys what if you guys are watching us on youtube if you want to get in the conversation with us next time we are on live thursday nights at nine thirty um eise this beast retiring is James and how do you how do you not know the difference between sent you any I only know where I live and I've lived in Minnesota central time me or not so 830 central time 930 eastern time and if you want to join in the conversation Joe I check out our Google+ page andrew authority on google+ and you can post comments questions also things you want us to talk about and interact with us there we try to check youtube comments but where we don't want to go around in so many different places also if you guys don't want to watch us because you know we're not 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