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welcome to android authority on air the original hangout show for android on google+ I'm Derek Ross and I'm Scott Anderson this week we're joined by returning guest dan Charlton of teammate dan thanks for coming again as usual we appreciate it nice to be here Isis Scott we had a hurricane this week but you know what we still have a whole lot of Android to talk about dylan so what's on the show yeah we got a google actually just released October Android ecosystem numbers we're gonna go over that to begin with then we're gonna be going over some app updates some major app updates and then we're going to do some more information about nexus devices we're gonna have some little rants about nexus for not having LTE things like that then we're going to be going over jelly bean 4.2 features and kind of what has leaked and what has been said about all the different type of features and then we're going to wrap up with patent wars which is Dan's favorite section all right so let's just get started talking about some Android ecosystem numbers before we get into the ultimate Android all the things segment of the show here so just just very very recently you know it's beginning of a new month another month has passed so we get numbers from google on exactly how widespread android is in terms of their distribution version numbers and jelly bean is still climbing growing very very slowly but it is growing we're at 2.7% right now um Ice Cream Sandwich you know ice cream sandwich is now a year old and it's sitting there at about just under just under thirty percent so that's nice but unfortunately gingerbread still rocks fifty-four percent of the Android ecosystem so that's that's a shame in my opinion since it's so old and so many things have been improved upon but a three percent for jelly bean and year old ice cream sandwiches about said twenty-eight twenty-nine percent um so let's talk about what's that Scott we getting there yes oh yeah yeah it's slowly getting there I so let's talk about the Android Android ecosystem here a little bit play music continues to grow you know google keeps continue to grow the the play content to play store and now they have every major record label on board the this past week they added Warner Brothers content so anybody that was under contract with Warner Brothers those music groups are now available through the play store will be added shortly and that's great and speaking of music just today a little bit ago music Explorer launched and that's just a music discovery tool it's actually pretty cool if you have an Android tablet you should check it out it's not available for your phone i'm guessing us because there's a lot going on and maybe it's hard to view on your phone i don't i don't know but uh it's pretty cool so what you do is you open up no to put the Play Store and you search for an artist once you find that artist maybe it's one yard have you find them and you select the artist and you see a little couple little spheres a couple little circles you tap on those and you start exploring similar artists from there you can explore similar artists and similar band similar singers and so forth and it's like a spiderweb keeps keeps going and going going from one artist to the next the next the next the next and eventually you know you I'm sure you'll find something is pretty pretty interesting i also whenever you first view a new artist the music starts playing right away so for example um I chose uh on a dead mouse deadmau5 however you want to say it everybody says it differently I chose them a little bit ago as a for example I opened up explore similar artists and it showed me rose a similar artist so I tapped on Nero and boom one of their songs started playing and then the next similar artists I tapped on and that song started playing then you can select that that song then it takes you back to the Play Store and you have the option to buy then so it's just a neat neat way to find new music and they like it um and getting a getting file matching is actually coming to to Europe here in the in the very near future and then soon in the u.s. I'm actually not very sure what that actually means Danner Scott a little bit more about that yes so it's a a sort of a process by which right now they just store your music your music all of it is stored in some separate individual storage just for you then everybody else's music isn't some other individual piece of storage this will allow them to basically have one copy one master copy of every song that everybody just gets their own strange to them when they want so when you're uploading your content to Google Music the first time everything that's also in its databases it's just going to file match and give you a copy of its verge which is good probably be a higher quality than whatever you happen to have um and it also means that like you don't actually have to do all of that uploading transfer so then you don't have to do all of that downloading transfer when you try and match them back up on the other end so it's way for them to cut down on the amount of storage it takes for them to do it it's also worth noting that they are giving this away for free and both Apple and Amazon charge I think its monthly or annual fees to get access to their file matching features well very good to know so Scott what do we go for app updates this week we got just today chrome of for Android got updated personally I see that there's a little bit of a speed improvement and the release said that there was speed improvement and some bug fixes things like that basic update nothing to schnazzy then we got an update to field trip Derek you want to go into detail about that well I actually stopped using field trip because I felt that it was killing my battery now I know Dan had better experiences with field trip so he actually kept it around longer than I did I I used it for about a week when it came out a few weeks back um and it's definitely neat concept you know field trip allows you to find things to do locally where you're at now so if maybe if you're I don't know you're visiting an area and you walk by a museum and it says hey here's this exhibit at this museum you know check it out you know it allows you to plan events or helps you plan events and it helps you see different things when you're visiting a new area I mean obviously locally it wouldn't be that interesting because chances are you know everything that's going on locally but unless they're in a big city and I should have no no we're like me where nothing ever happens so I know exactly what's going on here so it's not too useful for me but if I go on vacation somewhere I'm sure it's pretty cool but said danda did you actually update field trip this week I got the update but to be honest I don't really use the application it's just sort of thing it's there matters that me at random times when I don't really care about them I mean there were some minor updates who would just improved application settings which some of the settings were lacking before it fixed some crashes on the motorola xoom and just also had some other bug fixes so I mean was really that big of an update so you know what I'm curious you know since it's still a fairly new app and I'm trying to find actually uses for so if you're watching right now on either youtube or google+ let us know if you use field trip if you actually use it to what it was intended for besides just installing it to see what it was about was pretty much what i did let us know well revisit that healing a little bit next we got Google Earth Google Earth today got an update um basically just bug fixes you guys notice anything really big um with the update yeah I just saw bug fixes opened it up yeah run around looked a few things you know just trying to see if there's anything new I was wanting if there's gonna be any type of integration you know cuz Maps was was updated this past week for android 4.2 and more specifically a Google now actually it was updated for for better integration with with that but um those are some app updates we can talk about as well yeah and then another app update a long time coming it's been a while since this app and got update but adw.launcher got updated with a massive overhaul and yeah that adw.launcher used to be extremely popular and then i would i'm gonna say what ice cream sandwich came out and they just stops yeah yeah I mean it was one of the most popular launchers a year ago and they just didn't do anything with it but thankfully others stepped off you know like nova launcher which is that's what i use um but it's nice to see you know them come out of nowhere zombie you know being revived yeah yeah we got a question about the rumors of the Google Wallet physical card Scott you were talking a lot about that before the show and how useful that be for you do you think the rumors are realistic and how exactly do you think that it work yeah well let's uh add that into our conversation because I think it is a very big thing that google is releasing or rumored to be released personally I believe that Google needs your information in order to serve you better ads if Google is the middleman for all of your purchases they get all of your purchases all of your histories of what you've purchased and also the location and if you choose to show where you purchased it that in return is extremely valuable to google and they will use it to serve you better ads as well as serving better google offers now this is just the beginning of google actually stepping up to the plate and being a amazon like store people are not going to go to google now in the future to just search it'll be more so thought it will be interesting because they will turn more into amazon and actually be the searching center of the internet as well as searching searching and purchasing and Google will know everything and I think that hopefully they can serve us better ads and better offers related to where we're at and I personally I use public transit so the rumor of having public transit cards in there as well as credit cards as well as rewards cards that is awesome in one card well I definitely like the the rumor speculation or actually I mean it was another Android blog site out there ripped apart the apk and saw some interesting information a few weeks back that basically says that you'll be able to send people money from your phone so 55 bet Dan 20 bucks that his colonel won't run on my phone and he and he loses and you know he can my phone that your phone is broke Deacon's you know allah paypal but you know google wallet just send me 20 bucks um yeah so that's neat um I don't use that um yeah and another thing that the google was saying is you know people don't really find or don't really purchase things on mobile on mobile websites and with their recent rollout of click to purchase but with Google Wallet makes it very simple and it streamlines it I think better than paypal and it is just a middleman it's not like it doesn't hold any of your money um but it's very interesting and I I'm very curious to see what actually gets released and when it gets released yeah you know and I think this is a common answer for any time Google releases an admin similar to another app we're already all embedded in Google's ecosystem androids ecosystem whatever you wanna call it so adding another service to their portfolio that i don't have to go outside them i mean that's that's good for me in my opinion because it's easier and it's good for them because they get more of my data they can give me more ads and make more money because that's how they make their money with you know advertising so it I don't know some people don't like to put all their eggs in one basket some people are Google fanboys and don't care you know yeah yeah I okay with that so uh let's uh let's talk about a couple more apps that God updated here um this kind of goes into what we'll talk about later but since we're talking about apps here let's talk about Google now and he received a major major update I'll get into the details later but Google now like I said that that's a that's android 4.2 comin at you without even having to update your your device right now so if you have an update to the latest version of Google search which includes Google now you should do that we'll get into that later when we talk about Android 4.2 but there's if you thought it was cool before but you thought it was lacking a getting it needed a few more cards well it got man it got so many more cards so much more you know tighter integration to the knowledge graph and I love it it keeps getting better it's google nails it's a platform you know it's it's more than just an act it's really turning into its own platform and whatever whenever google glasses come out which is basically going to be a front end for google now but um it's gonna be pretty darn cool i I'm excited for that but anyways us let's talk about let's talk about nexus devices so so Scott standee didn't let us sit down completely like sandy cancelled the actual physical event but Google decided in the middle of nowhere huh we're just gonna release everything and hope people start to take notice yeah I I don't personally at all it was the best decision but I do like the slow trickle out but I would really like to see a live demo to see if the demo gods are good or not that's always fun and it's always awesome to see like an hour-long event yeah and you know touting all the features and all that stuff so I kind of Miss that hopefully they do do it event that'd be cool but yeah the nexus 4 8 gigabyte version for 299 unlocked and 16 gigabyte version for 349 unlocked I actually crazy cheap yeah I actually talked to two people that I work with and they asked me what fun to get I said wait and they're gonna be getting those phones so I mean it's definitely a phone i'm going to recommend ones on t-mobile and the others on 18t so she will know it's the same device it will work on either t-mobile or AT&T I mean the people that were gone sorry I'm sorry and then they gave my version 4 199 on a two-year contract with tmobile yeah but not even with Wi-Fi calling so really all you're doing is wasting extra money to have a contract I agree okay so I know last show we went over a lot of the features and rumored features and all of that stuff and since then we've had releases of actual specs of these devices nexus 4nexus 10 all these devices so wonder than the solid features that we know of that we weren't released before there were just rumors uh well they confirm that it's got corning gorilla glass 2 on both the front and the back so that's a that's a big improvement over say other glass backed phones that were just ordinary glass on the back um I remember her mom Martius Duarte was asked is it gonna break his glass breaks and he goes well we designed it differently so I mean it'll be interesting to see we'll do some drop tests maybe oh yeah and figure out if it actually lives up to what they say mmm other than that I think the only thing that we didn't know was the the cellular support that it was going to have with it so the hspa+ gsm-only no LTE no cdma Penta ban 3g quad band gsm so that's hspa+ 42 for t-mobile and HSPA+ 21 on the rest world that doesn't actually have a 42 network anyway so um but this way they can build just the one device and sell it all over the world and i'm gonna talk about that in a few minutes because i have a lot of things to say about that and you know it's mainly personal but I'm sure I'm not the only damn person that cares about it so anyway we'll continue continue back there last week oh go ahead dan I know last week we talked about processors um and this one you know confirmed 1.5 gigahertz quad-core krait Qualcomm Snapdragon s4 pro how does it stack up to currently what's out there uh well i think was Matthew Stewart a who said it is the fastest mobile processor on the market in a phone today he said in a phone today I don't know how it stacks up against the Exynos 5 that's in the nexus 10 ah but realistically that's the only other chip of the market to compete with it ok and then wireless charging support that's yep good from that and they have a little sphere to go with it that's all a palm tree touchdown you know what and and that's pretty cool yeah i would buy one if how much would you buy for because you know you gotta buy more than one what buy one for work by one from home yep that's what i would do buy one for taking vacations if there are twenty thirty dollars or less which i don't think they're gonna be but yeah they had to be thirty bucks or less for me yeah i mean i would definitely swap up to a be is there 50 i might buy just one yeah i don't care how much it was i would buy one just cuz you know you know Oh although when Matthias was doing the demo of putting it on there um he said that they were not released a hardware devices yet the wireless charging because it looked like it was a little cumbersome but hopefully the final build they you know figure out some stuff with that yeah um I think the only other thing that we didn't know is that it's gonna have a barometer it's like the Galaxy Nexus did just an unusual feature for our cell phone but actually not if they're not have an unusual feature at all it's very useful to know what like they are useful yeah hey there aren't a lot of devices that have them very true so we use it we use didn't want to check the weather right no it helps determine the altitude which gives you one of the three coordinates that you need to get a GPS lock and so it's not a sensitive nut barometer to actually do any kind of like weathered aging so go buy an any crazy spam apps on the market that say otherwise um but Allah beautiful potential of your Nexus 4 and Galaxy Nexus be able to tell the weather it will give very accurate readings of altitude and that's what it's there for cuz it helps with GPS lock actually a third of the GPS lock games Samsung Galaxy Nexus needs time so I'm wondering that that's going to be an issue with the LG Nexus they just they threw it in there to help it out you know where assume that's are there to help it out the GPS has built onto the the die with the Wi-Fi and the rest of the modems in this case uh but moving on we also had some Nexus 7 News sambo with actually they uh they saw this all the hell hell of a lot of these devices no it wasn't google that really sees statistics it was actually yeah yes oh hey sue said that they've sold approximately 3 million so far and that number keeps growing month per month per month and right now they're they're very fastly approaching 1 million units per month now compared the competition we were talking about that earlier what's apples numbers look like Dan um I mean they sold what 19 million iPads last quarter so I mean that's a lot compared to only three million in just under a quarter but there's no more than one tablet maker in the Android world and you're selecting about and you also have to think about the fact that Apple has more than one tablet so you know they have 45 now five um tablets and you know all those count for the numbers so you know they're still selling and but what Android is definitely catching up with them in a specific tablet that is you know hitting the floor running which is nice we haven't seen many tablets do that from the Android ecosystem but that's good news all right so we got some price drops is on the Nexus 7 the new flavors of the Nexus 7 don't you dare call it the new Nexus 7 you know you like that huh okay so uh the 16 gig version dropped 50 bucks it's it's now 199 the eight gigabyte version is it's gone um this is going to come back who knows but as of right now it's gone it's not there the new 32 gig version is selling for what the old 16 gig was at $249 and the unlocked hspa+ version only comes in 32 gig and its cost Nia 299 so 300 bucks and you can get a hspa+ variant of the Nexus 7 that's but that's that's it I mean nothing else was announced new about it just new new storage new HSPA Claudia no this is new we we had this leaked all over the place but now it's just you know we had price and that's one thing you weren't a hundred percent sure I wonder if they had a 16 gigabyte version with an hspa+ radio how much that would cost well we know the radio doesn't cost fifty bucks we know I don't wanna be interesting what they would prices at president I mean I that's just to make money you know they they're selling the cheap the 16 gig version for next enough and there doesn't cost fifty bucks to add another eight gig of flash memory you know that's all it was seven dollars i think that i fix it said costs yeah so they're just doing it to me there don't take money i mean they're they're in business to make money so you know that's okay somebody I'd asked earlier for just casual use would you recommend the 16 year the 32 well I'll tell you what um I have the eight gigabyte version and I swore by because I have everything that I do in the cloud you know all my music I stream from google play videos I'll stream from google play four plex I don't store anything locally i really don't now when the game horn came out I decided you know it was hyped up enough I don't play that many games but sure I'll download it doesn't like a couple bucks I'll play it it's a two gigabyte game um I'm a few other apps on there not a whole lot and then an update for horn came out and I had 1.5 gig free I couldn't update horn and that kind of annoyed me I had to uninstall dead trigger 2 update horn and then reinstall dead trigger which was pretty much yes and I in my opinion but I had to do it and I I don't really play games you know it wasn't a big deal to me because I don't play don't use my nexus 7 to play game so I guess my point is is that the 16 gig is probably plenty unless you want to store things locally the eight gig you know I ran into some issues 16 is probably the sweet spot for the majority of people if you're storing a lot of stuff locally 32 gig you know um and let's go back to the 32 gig Galaxy Nexus that I have I have like twenty six gig free on that thing you know and so I it all depends what your use case is average you so I'd say 16 gig is good to get you're good to go yeah I'm timey I don't even use all of the eight but I have online yeah so let's talk about the big guy The Big Brother the nexus 10 that you know that that screen that we knew it was going to be amazing you know we just didn't we just didn't hear a whole lot about it so anyways uh Nexus 10 Scott you want to talk about that a little bit yeah well we got a 16 or 32 gigabyte version 16 gigabyte version for 399 32 gigabyte four hundred dollars more at 499 oh that's van this is extremely competitive competitively priced oh it's extremely competitively priced I would still say unless you desperately need the extra storage space don't waste your money on the 32 right on the nexus 7 you go from 16 to 32 for 50 extra dollars for a hundred dollars you get the devil storage space and gsm why pay an extra hundred dollars just for 16 gigabytes of storage x is 10 very true um I just can't believe that they hit this price point at this with this type of tablet I mean the screen resolution is ridiculous and it's uh I mean better than the new new iPad the new iPad yeah it's definitely now you know some iOS fans out there you know we're looking at the chris Rizzo I'm talking to you if you're listening and watching us some on some iOS fans out there are looking at the Play Store and seeing only like five hundred plus ones on the Nexus 10 and take it home android fans must not care about it well you know I've we might not plus 1 all the things but we're damn excited for this thing that screen is amazing it blows your your new new iPad out of the water like the this is this is an amazing device you know and and coupled with android 4.2 features which we'll get into you know for multiple user accounts this button this is this is a great device for for people that have multiple people in their household and need to use a tablet ya can't do that on my ped all that and you get an Exynos 5 which i would say is probably as good or better than the DA 6x in the new new ipad better screen plus gorilla glass 2 plus a better front-facing camera i'll say better operating system alright so if you're getting the nexus 10 let us know let us know in the comments of interesting to see how many of you are interested in getting one not and and then let me know if you already have a nexus 7 if you're looking to get rid of the nexus 7 or you don't have a tear you don't have one yet you know what are you looking to buy wanna to replace something else and what are you replacing it with let it let us know i i'd be curious just ask you know what are your thoughts i mean we all have nexus evans and okay yeah what are your thoughts on the edges and if you have a nexus 7 tablet yeah so so I rock the nexus 7 I use this thing every day and why do I use it every day because it's it's ultra portable I mean it does the 7-inch form factor is my favorite thing about it it's light it's you know it's been coined it you know the only tablets you know that has throwability which she notes I don't throw my nexus 7 but but uh you could you know you could chuck it on the bed check on the couch is I'm going to break uh you can I dropped mine accidentally about a week after I had it right on its face arm I wasn't happy until I picked it up and saw was okay and then and then I rejoiced but uh yeah I was but anyways uh it's it's light it's easy to hold and with a 10 inch tablet it which I had before you know you're laying there and bad you're sitting on the couch or sit in a chair you know you're holding it you know like you hold it like this for a while right and you're like okay now this hand hurts then you hold it in his hand for a little bit then you changed now maybe you're laying on your side this and if you're just listening I'm basically moving around so just you don't know what I'm doing right now so but uh okay sorry baby you understand i'm saying though you know with a 10 inch tablet yeah after 10-15 minutes 20 minutes half hour or whatever you're gonna change positions it gets heavy it's awkward I never have to do that I have to sit there and roll over or you know sit a different way with my nexus 7 it it's light it's easy it fits my hand I love it I'm not getting the nexus 10 even though it's absolutely amazing oh I don't get it if I didn't have another tablet but I know I don't need it so I'm not gonna get it yeah I I I mean my nexus 7 did not replace my transformer prime they had different use cases and i still use the transformer prime but I don't need to replace it and I like that's what's holding me back from the nexus 10 is 2 prime still a great tablet I don't need to get rid of it from your instant unless he wants to buy one for four hundred dollars in which case ok now let's say a person that does not have a tablet and is looking at the tablet market would you recommend the nexus 10 definitely I'm gonna say it all depends on what your I mean coughs tanya is that there's money differences tutor at all or difference hundred dollar difference in depending on what version you're going for so yeah I mean money plays a factor in that if you can afford to in a box and that's all you can get and that's all you can afford obviously get you can afford if your budgets a little bit more you know get the big guy get dick if there's I'm going to blow everything away if you're in the market for a premium tablet a premium full-size tablet I would definitely give the nexus 10 yet very long block fercho so uh earlier we said the nexus 4 was gsm only being only sold through the Play Store well that's not entirely true 02 is going to have exclusive in the UK and what t-mobile's selling it for 12 hundred bucks on to your contract so it's not entirely true but I'm sure it's good its majority is is l is only sold by google so google we know wants to have it to be used anywhere in the world have it be unlocked have anybody be able to use it so it's tits gsm because gsm is pretty much available anywhere unless you live in certain places of the world such as huntington pennsylvania so celeb minute so this is a personal rant but i but i know i'm not alone in this i know a lot of people were upset that the the nexus 4 doesn't have LTE and I'm really not concerned about LTE I mean I I don't really care about that it's more along the lines of CDMA but you know verizon's not going to put out a cdma only device so that's a moot point so I I want this film because the build quality is absolutely amazing it's setting the bar for other manufacturers it it's has amazing hardware and i'm a android fanboy of course i'm gonna want it even if it was even if it didn't have amazing specs and hardware and I mean it's it is the build quality is so much better than the Galaxy Nexus it's rock solid I mean is a nice device so I want it and and I can't have it simply for the fact that verizon is my best choice of my best service provider my best carrier and people's you know don't don't really understand that and I think it's that way from what I've been you know I wouldn't say researching I'll say more along the lines of bitching the past couple days and and people people comment everyone smile saying oh me too but but most people just don't understand saying how can you not have good gsm services like well you know I live no nowhere and verizon has amazing 3g coverage here i got to drive 20 minutes in three different directions to get LTE but let's do I can drive 20 minutes one way and get LTE 25 minutes another way and get LTE and I have 3g coverage everywhere I want to go here um I do not have that with AT&T or don't even have tmobile here but t-mobile will piggyback off of a tease towers here so what does AT&T have AT&T has the awesome edge network running at 2g um I barely have that at my house I i I'm actually trying to test that now but that's another and that's another topic so how can google alienate 112 million subscribers that and you know people argue saying that it's going to cost money you gotta test able to put on another device and I understand and I really do but my whole argument all along was Google can't let their largest competitor the iphone run unchecked on the largest amount barely largest the largest neo network in in the United States and it that for for business that's how I'm confused and plus the fact that i don't have gsm service here pisses me off because i want this phone and I've been trying to figure out for two days now how I can talk myself into living with horrible surface just to get it and through some help earlier today I decided that I I can't do it but I would love to do it but I I guess III think that there are a couple main points the first one I think is Google needs to take power away from the carriers for example verizon because verizon decides like we all learned with the Galaxy Nexus on verizon they decide when to update the device okay so hoo that's not for you go on to the next point my Mairi but we do this like a debate my rebuttal on that is the average user people that basically aren't watching this show don't care about updates don't care when they get them just the fact that they actually get them and most people don't even know that there's an update available in my opinion that's the part that you're missing though with this device Google doesn't care if those people don't get to buy the device so so Dan the GALEX not our target market the Galaxy Nexus received updates faster than any other phone to jelly bean on veut the verizon variant did no other phone had jelly bean before it did pretty sure no other phone has elegant at all on verizon I i bet you google was uh really no jelly bean faster than any other device and still three months after it got jelly bean on every other carrier okay so that was my first point the fact they need to take power away from dick carriers and i think that's a rightfully so it's i agree not just I do it's not just in the purse the consumers see like these things with the Galaxy Nexus there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes that we don't see the manufacturers have to pay the carrier's to carry the devices that makes the device is more expensive that's how you can sell an unlocked phone for three hundred dollars yeah and you know what it is a side thought on that how can you sell that an unlocked phone for 300 bucks well as i said earlier when i was ranting that i've been trying to trying to figure out if i can get this phone so I went into my local AT&T rapper very nice guy I have known him for many many many years I told him the phone I wanted he'd never heard of it and and uh I I told him that it was going to cost 300 bucks and his very next response was oh well that's probably not going to go to the phone if it only costs 300 bucks without a contract I mean are our best phone the s3 cost 600 bucks without a contract so that phone is probably junk why do you want a junk phone as I can see they that's where the problem lies obviously carriers are doing something if if they can cell phone for double the cost well the big asterisk on that is 18 he's not going to sell you an unlocked anything yeah they're gonna sell you an off-contract but still definitely lock to AT&T yeah device and it's not an unlocked device that you can just pop in whatever sim card you want it'll work on AT&T and that's it I understand that but I just thought was funny that that how you know a gay carrier said well the device costs 300 bucks so it's obviously junk and that's not that's not the case so I understand what Google's doing a wide Google needs to do it uh life is about my second point yeah so say your second player sorry Scott gun okay so second point when the Nexus line started and has continued the ultimate goal was to make it open and to make it very open and pure Google and with verizon and again it's taking power away from carriers but it can't be truly open if some carrier decides when to push an update so they're trying to hold true to the actual pure Google experience i believe ya know i completely agree i think that google is going to tell you well if you really want AT&T LTE or sprint's LTE or sprint cdma you should get the LG optimus G just like when they have the next one mission and the HTC incredible oh wait Verizon's not going to have the next the nexus one that's a complaint on agent surprise you know and i did i did buy the HTC incredible yep but this is a complaint you should have verizon why is it verizon picking up the optimus G I'll tell you what I'm gonna do it I'm not gonna get the Galaxy Nexus you know i'll tell you the day AOSP 4.2 is released not maybe two days you know i'll give you know i'm not going to put any pressure on anybody some amazing developers out there going to have a rom up for the Galaxy Nexus on verizon and I'm gonna be running for point to the next day so then I personally don't care I just wanted a better quality phone but the Galaxy Nexus is still a great phone I will continue to rock it until eight EMT says hey we ran fiber lines in your area two years ago before they rot we're actually going to do something with them and they put up hspa+ you know um until then um i'm just gonna you know you that I'm moving you know we're so where was a good place in the country to move you know well that's a city apparently Kansas City they have hspa+ they have google fiber fiber they probably have some LTE to that Mike's rills out there I mean there's also you and I one more point that I think that they did for when verizon got a bad rap for slow updates and you saw that all over the news you're saying well okay would you recommend this device what carrier you on you're on Verizon well I don't know you know I wouldn't recommend it that much just because of the slow updates but the thing is that plays a big part into public view of the phone and the carrier if the phone is on verizon it is going to get slower updates and that deters people um you know they don't really care that much about the updates because they just don't know about him but the thing is when they hear that and they hear that they're going to be getting less updates and less features then it really does affect that they're you know mental state and I really does develop that's true all right so it also does another personal example here my dad has the Galaxy Nexus he got it whenever best buy had it for free for the two-year contract I told him he should get it cuz he needed a new phone so he got it and the jelly bean update came out and do too in my opinion it running IMM 76 q he couldn't install a jelly bean update because apparently the the mms APK was corrupt on the on the stock rom and every time it tried to install the updated failed i actually had to unlock the bootloader flash the jellybean factory images and then give it but anyway that's not my point my point is is that he read for almost a month without the jelly bean update and he didn't care his phone worked he used his phone he didn't care that you know every once in a while he did say to me hey what am I gonna get that thing that the thing that's better than Cirie and I said I'll come up and do it one of these days no but the only reason he knew about that because as soon as the day I got it as a dad you gotta check us out you know I showed him so he didn't care he know but the thing is he but the thing is he wanted it because I tell him about it no but the thing is we always talk about it so people around us are always gonna want it you know what I mean yeah I guarantee you i just did 20 on a week ago if I won't have done it six months from now he'd be like yep still using my phone still browsing the internet still use an app still making phone calls it yeah well it doesn't mean that he's getting the best possible experience out of that device and it doesn't mean that he doesn't know that it could be better yeah my my whole thought process is is that unfortunately end users the average end user doesn't care they just want it to work and it did if it's not if it's not broken then why not then they don't want it fixed agreed let's move on because we have a lot of for dad to stuff to talk about and I'm excited about a lot of it so let's start off with the released features um let's start off with multi user accounts excited about that for talent only for tablets only yeah and that's great you know tablets are more of a multi-user a family computer let's say you know you have you have mom dad kids whatever have a have a tablet you you really gonna buy a tablet for all your everybody in your family well some people do but not everybody can do that that's expensive so now you have a think of it as a a couch a coffee table tablet you know it just hits in the coffee table who ever sits down to couch can pick it up and do whatever it have accessed their own personal stuff I mean I think it's gonna be great for tablets oh yeah I think it's been good for wrecking homes people with kids right like I know Derek you gave your extra tablet to your kids but before that you were sharing it and i'll tell you what for the longest time I still say I still stayed signed into my google account on that tablet until he started G talking like friends and my accident you know and and doing all sorts of stuff mean I disabled that he couldn't buy apps but it was a pain to do all this stuff and then and then I was like well you know I don't I don't want to stay signed in to this tablet you know I under my account I want him to have his own account you know so okay so we got a lot of talk about what would be great for families okay so uh gesture keyboard I've been using this for the past couple days I really like it because I don't have to change my keyboard in order use it nice very nice so you can type like a regular keyboard and then you can use you know the gesture typing whenever you please and I really like that yeah it's it's not bad I'm not a big fan of swype I'm not either but the thing is we got a really long word it's actually kind of handy and the biggest thing for me is you don't have to switch keyboards in India you know it's generally the predictive text one isn't that bad ah I've been using it off and on and I like the fact that I can you know use or not use it without having to switch different keyboard now I know swipe you can type without actually swiping but I don't like I swipe much more for typing though okay so next we got lock screen widgets um I'm excited about some of it I mean I don't know the form implementation of it I mean I did we don't you know we didn't get a full demo event because of Hurricane sandy so right now you know various places around the web or starting to get these devices and play with them and start to release information but really on and we know so far as you can put lock screens on our sorry with widgets on your lock screen or do you want to put some lock screens on your lock screen so you seeking put a calendar on your lock screen right so you swipe to the left or swipe to the right and there's your calendar but think it'll be cool and I kind of want to see how it's gonna be implemented to judge it for what it is both excited about like I don't want someone to see my someone to see my personal calendar yeah but other people may like me I really got the implementation on then definitely something I want to use but I want to know how its implemented you know for privacy for four people that you know what if I as it you know say I don't get in there alright next we got a daydream it's basically kind of like a screensaver for your phone um things like photo slideshows and you would have news headlines and really anything that just aggregates into a screensaver so if you doc your phone or you doc your tablet when it's not in use which some people do is like a desk clock or you know or if or if you're sitting there because it's right on the wireless charger you know if it's on the little the little half orb charger its kind of hang it up and sit in there so while it's charging maybe the screens on and you want to be a screen saver it's going to flow news headlines your photos i think that's cool I'm use it um and then it also has wireless display support for miracast um basically with miracast you can a lot of the tvs and all of the tvs that LG is releasing in 2013 are all going to have support for them which is really big and i think that you know them making the device really gets them ready for their ecosystem um but basically what near guest is as you can stream audio video directly from your device to any TV that supports it and also once connected the TV will mirror everything happening on your phone or tablet so I think that's a great standard that is being implemented and it has something to compete with airplane right um so then so we had the uh I'm sorry Scott dead um next we got quick settings um they're basically tiles um the quick settings from what I've seen I am a fan of the quick settings and you from any screen you can swipe down two fingers and get your quick settings that are right away we're just nice but the fact that the tiles for the settings are so big and it frustrates me you guys know the big tiles yeah I don't like that it takes up the like the entire yummy I don't either um okay so let's let's talk about some 4.2 features you can get right now there's an updated camera just pretty fun to use yeah it's fun um I yeah it's fun so there's a new camera UI a new function of the camera called photosphere there's a better filters and editing has changed a little bit and there's there's a new gallery and the biggest thing there is the camera UI change like you can control all of the different settings like your flash your uh yeah all sorts of camera setting all the camera settings yeah Gator project is the touch of a button you say you push in on the button you hold are you pushing on the screen you hold it in a little ring pops up and you swipe left right up down a bee select start you know whichever direction and you can do it all from there you don't have to deal with two fingers I'm to do with two hands it is all mine three videos yeah yeah I like it I definitely like instances but so the big feature yeah new you I knew a new gallery the big new feature is photosphere which basically mimics what we've seen in Street View for google maps where you hold your hold your camera up you take a picture and you keep moving all around in a 360 degree uh you know pattern taking all your pictures and it then meshes everything together an awesome skier now or we can do how you can do 180 degrees if you want to not do a full circle but but anyways it meshes everything together and this awesome 3d orb of a picture of a picture that you can then viewing your phone you can post it on google plus you can post it on two maps actually so if you're on vacation somewhere you know it and you took an awesome scene you know there's a beautiful scenery you took an awesome photo you can post it there so other people can then can view it because the photos are a geotag so it's very cool it's fine I'm hearing it from mobile to google plus and it wouldn't allow me to then you are mad sir because I've shared a couple really yeah sure well we'll talk about that there's been a couple iterations of this you know it was first released oh hey look new camera new new UI oh my god everybody installed it Oh a second photosphere doesn't work so then the guys went back to work again and released uh you know a couple lids I had to put in his system lib directory and then Hey look photosphere works oh my god first four works you know and then you couldn't edit photos and and view them and that was fixed in the last class thing added view so you can actually view the photosphere pictures mobile you don't actually have to post them to Google+ or maps and to view them to that so yeah so if you were though you know you jumped on it yesterday morning maybe the first thing there's a couple updates throughout the day and then late last night I believe it like ten o'clock or so a final version came out which fixes everything so you can find them various places around the internet androidcentral actually released the majority of those on their forums so uh thanks Dylan for up for all of your work we appreciate it oh not another features 4.2 available now you know we've been using it for a while now gmail 4.2 it was a leaked a while ago which you know has zoom and swipe to delete um just your keyboard actually which we were just talking about a early earlier that the keyboard worked it was leaked you can go and install if you're rooted installed on your device and go ahead and rock gestures and if you don't like swipe you can try gesture keyboard it's not bad I like it as I said and lastly uh the the new google now / google search you know that is available from the Play Store you don't have to worry about leaks to get that you just downloaded and slap it on your phone it it's awesome so I said earlier to added a whole bunch of new car drink so it adds a pedometer on which we didn't know about until last night till midnight you know you look at your phone hey November first new month Oh what's this tell me how many miles I've walked or biked over the last two months you know it is interesting so Google now can tell you you need to exercise which um as well as stock your portfolio so if you use google finance and you have stock tickers in there they're automatically pulled over now anytime there's a you know one percent change its going to show you news update so earlier in the week whenever you know we were i live in the area where hurricane sandy was coming through so i started i saw news headlines about hurricane sandy in their photos nearby so if you're out and about somewhere and somebody who has a posted photos online maybe on maps or so forth you'll be able to see those concerts and Google will tell you when your birthday is if you didn't know which that's another mini rant and run on time so I won't go too far into that basically Google already tells us when we our friends birthdays are by going to google com and through google plus it says hey these are your friends birthdays tell him happy birthday google already knows when our friends birth is our why can't we have that feature as a card then you can configure which circles should show up that's my opinion and last gmail is now part of you know the knowledge graph and you know it's been rolling out for a while so if you label no I'm excited about the Google now features yeah ah the pedometer is pretty cool hey how many how many miles heavy did you guys walk class 111 went say 1610 I don't remember right so you got so trusted just what you sow so gmail gmail knowledge graph so it will tell you when packages it'll read your email anytime you get like from amazon you ship a package somewhere and it'll say hey here's the tracking number one out google now reads that it scans that and then tells you when you wear your package is at when it's been delivered and picked up and so forth flights hotels is is now pulled from gmail concerts um you know event bookings you know things like that restaurant bookings and so anything that comes into your any type of event that comes into an email now Google's up scanning it and going to show it a realm check check various places online you can get a little bit of 4.2 right now without having to wait for it to come out here in about about two weeks so Dan thought about patent so yeah there's been some interesting developments this week in in the patent wars um Abalos we know was ordered to apologize to Samsung for lying about Kat accusing them of copying on the copying the ipad with the net what was it tab 10.1 um they put up a pretty snarky response on some very tiny little link in their footnote on their homepage which the judges and he can't work very displeased with they basically said the things in the statement are not true in the first place and even if they were the way in which they presented doesn't comply with the order and they ordered Apple to change it to a chapel responded insisting that they were going to need 14 days to do so the judges pretty much left in their faces and gave them 48 hours so by Saturday morning they will need to have changed that notice and more prominently displayed on their homepage um in more bad news for Apple they lost their request for preliminary injunction against amazon for the use of the term App Store so they've been suing amazon for infringement on the App Store trademark Amazon's more or less responded by saying app stores a general term like grocery store which is pretty obvious and that's pretty much what the judge agreed with and really really just did not take seriously any of that those arguments at all and then in more really bad news brachle they sued Mexican telecommunication company iphone that's I fon he um for trademark infringement on their iPhone product problem with that is they developed and Trademark the iphone in 2009 and iphone the company has existed in Mexico as a trademarked entity since 2003 won't want one yeah so Apple I quickly got countersued and predictably is losing all of this everywhere including they're now going to lose the I phone trademark in Mexico and potentially have to pay restitution so like forty percent of the profit of every iphone sold in Mexico ever so bad news for Apple all around on the patent front and that's and that's just great yes yes it really really is I mean they're their argument in the Amazon case it's actually two different claims one is an infringement then the other is a false advertisement claimed we're basically their claim boils down to apple's app store is such an unbelievably amazing product that anybody else even using the term app store to describe something that isn't our App Store tarnishes the awesomeness that is apple's app store I agree yeah okay so we have any questions from the audience any comments that people want to discuss I'd like to hear your thoughts if you're gonna get the nexus 4 or any new Nexus devices I'm not getting the nexus 4 you still didn't do more testing on your coverage issues yeah this is this inspire 4G is a it's broken if you go i'll claim the carrier for your broken phone well you know what I get what I i get what i can get my coworker gave this to me to test out the network i routed it I rom did it still reboots every time it connects to a definitive with some not that device hack kit no it's for that device what are you talking about yes whatever we moved fight about this all later then the hack it was for that the DHD her PhD and it was and then it was ported over to the inspire Christine oh this sounds brilliant let's port a hack you know what then the hacks in a custom age for you just upset because I don't have a curl for this phone anymore I do have a kernel for that oath okay for everybody watching everybody watching we can be found on YouTube we also do have integration to see all the comments from YouTube and Google Plus which wherever you want to comment we will see it so comment away um questions comments whatever whatever you have and then if you go to android authority com if you scroll down to the bottom right you'll see a section called on air that's where we post all of our shows and all of our articles of which we talk about also we post our show to SoundCloud so you can download our podcast if you look at us or use the bandwidth we're also on stitcher radio itunes and like i said before the RSS feed of the on-air is available for your listening / viewing pleasure / / you have to do both but will my little one no you don't have to be both at all okay so everybody have a good night and hopefully in two weeks from now we'll be saying how AOSP 4.2 has been released the next four is available for order the nexus 7's available for order nexus 10 is available for order we'll find out how many of you guys are going to start ordering those devices have a good have a good weekend have a good weekend guys