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ok welcome then android authority on air the first google+ hangout show about android stuff I am Scott Anderson and this is dan Carlton Darcy I do use your left hand it's a lack of a lot cuvee i always put through that that's all right Johnathan Franklin how you guys go today good nice to be here good stuff good day okay so damn what we got on the docket for tonight so we got some app updates tonight we also have a contest for in nexus for an international giveaway Darcy's going to talk a bit more about that later on how to win we've got some big news in patent wars as well as new carrier news as always some advice news and device updates as well as a little bit of written and ramen noodles cool cool well to start out with a pup dates we got a titanium backup that got updated basically the big feature and a feature that people have been waiting for is you can create a flashable zip of selected apps and their data um this is really nice so you don't have to make a nandroid and have to flash it all over and have to get the data and everything I mean it'll save a lot of time oh absolutely i mean this is this is something that it should have had that ages ago I mean it's yeah it's wrong card of software features for a backup application yeah I mean yeah it's difficult and it's mean it's Curtis them for being able to implement it but it's certainly something that I think people have wanted for a very long time it's especially for people that flash roms all the time it's a huge time saver yeah also they added the functionality of having the ability to upload to dropbox files that are bigger than 150 megabytes so that's nice as well to get your app updates and all of your backups in the cloud and not being limited by how big the file sizes is really nice next app update is Google Shopper basically it has a brand new UI it kind of reminds me of Google Plus on a tablet with their tile features it's a nice nice UI it's mostly picture oriented so if you think Google Plus pictures and also you have some ratings from google guide it's basically more streamlined app and interesting and you also get some notifications that are built into and then app a rumor microsoft office for android and iOS is rumored for may 2013 release i like the fact that they're coming to android what do you guys think about this do you think this is going to be an app that's going to be used widely or is it something that too little too late i think it's definitely going to be used widely i mean i think there's a lot of people that are are very locked into microsoft especially microsoft office in a way where you make sure they're there are bunches of apps that you can use to work with office documents on android and iOS right now but there's a lot of people that just are very locked into the I need Microsoft in order to work with this right it's the leftover relic of the 90s where you had to have microsoft office to work with the microsoft office document words you know no it is you can work with it with libre office or you know I work or Google Docs or zoho or any number of others but people still think I need office it needs to come from Microsoft for it to work and especially in enterprise I think that this help android in particular get its foot learning to the door of a global enterprise in a way that you know I t in enterprise we're willing to accept when it's back with the same microsoft security and software assurance and integration with all the other services um they're trying to legacy support base region central yeah and they're tying it very heavily into their office 365 and their SkyDrive platform which makes sense because the you know the standalone office 2013 for for desktop is time very heavily in SkyDrive as well so trying to unify that across across everything this is this is Microsoft's new big thing is pushing for unified everything across mobile and desktop and make it all the same oh um it's a bit limited though because it doesn't have editing ability unless you also have a 365 subscription though with the new sort of subscription model for office 2013 I'm sure that'll become less of a problem um for a lot of people though that don't have 365 or kind of turned off by the subscribing to desktop client software uh I think that they're going to go past this and get a little turned off by the fact they can't actually yeah I think Google really has a big opportunity here to actually you know keep innovating in Google Docs and all of their online suites of tools that people use every day and offered for free and I think it'll be interesting to see what how Google respond to this and there's been so many competitors that have come into this market segment but yeah yeah I'm excited a little bit of foresight buying a quick office as far as a fan thing that realize how important mobile office features I'm going to be in the future so yeah yeah the Microsoft is obviously that the player in office suites I mean there there are other players but when it comes to especially to business microsoft office is it it is the beginning in the end so I don't recognize even if it does the exact same thing is another client right right right after yeah even if there are competitors people always go to office first so I think it'll definitely get a lot of use how good it's going to be I think remains to be seen okay so let's move on to some Google Wallet goody myths the Google Wallet physical card that is confirmed to work on the support page it was confirmed that non NFC app compatibility will work with 2.3 Gingerbread Plus which is exciting and I like the legacy roots support here yeah it's also a way for them to get google wallet into sort of consumer use without having to deal with all the carrier and I've see blocking it bullcrap right so if unit verizon or tmobile or AT&T says though you can't use google wallets and of c ab you'd still be able to get the non out of c version the molecular very least control the physical card control your the new mobile wallet stuff and you know pick which card is LinkedIn is the primary car and all check out your balances do all the management and stuff like that and you know get around the carrier blocks mmm those you want that are wondering where Derek is derrick is in Mountain View and he is at Google for a google TV ambassador meeting so he's having fun there and just want to give you as an update of where he is okay let's move on to a Verizon Verizon is completely closing their V CAST app store thank goodness yep unless thing is about 19 other bloatware apps to go and they were in the clear so yeah ballston to take a lot yeah especially like the easy navigator come on but yeah but I mean with a monthly subscription of like 8 to 16 bucks they're probably definitely making bank on it so oh yeah only how much it cost them up yeah that's a good point I wonder how the API that they tap into to get this navigation to probably google maps yes all yes I mean small steps for verizon any progress from them i think is good for consumers but we have one less and we just added the amazon suite of applications to most verizon devices so it's one one step forward and by the lives back without yeah so some rumors suggest that google maps for iOS may get blocked by Apple interesting and lightly built the longer that Google goes with it not being on iOS the better for google hmm yes and no mean people not using their services not a good thing but to sort of built up anticipation is is sort of the same thing Apple was raving about with verizon before it had the iphone right like once we bring the iphone to verizon everybody's going to love it and everybody's gonna rush out by it so once i'm like get it there it's going to be huge but I'm looking at it like if you're on iOS and you don't have something like Google Maps that is a deterrent for iOS making people deep you know deflect to Android yeah so and that's the way I'm looking at it yes they lose the searches initially but the thing is they may make up for it when they have a huger you know market share and ultimately more reliable and trustworthy customers yeah I mean part of the problem here is just apples apples strange approval process and they're very hitter attitude towards Google I mean I get that the two are fighting each other all over the place but when it comes to app approvals they really really target at Google in a very specific way I mean we saw the the updated voice search app just came out I'm shocked it even made it through like that but it took a long harlot yeah google I talked about it months in advance it was just sitting in Apple's approval q now there's some rumors that suggests that the recently let go apple senior vice president was head of iOS with the sticking point on that and it was the day that he was let go that it finally went into the App Store so there might be some truth to that but what is this isn't new behavior from a low right they did the same thing with google voice their big thing is oh well it's conflicting with built-in functionality it's not even just Google um a recent Google purchase sparrow email the popular iOS email client is going to get blocked in iOS version 5 because they bring in some feature I think it's true type text that's new to iOS 6 and they basically trick it to work on iOS 5 but that breaks apples terms of service how dare you build an application that does something better than what Apple can yeah and so it's just not good for consumers this is really the bottom line and it's unfortunate they've blocked third party developers and used their ideas on the turned it around on going base filed patents for it yeah without acquiring the company but without my exact file patents for someone else's idea that they blocked from the store it's sad I'm a flip side you got a google that acquires and implements but you know forgets that I feel better argument for another great artists do all right okay let's go move on to Dan's favorite section we got some patent wars information yes of society the big development in the the motorolla cases so both Apple and Microsoft have been suing motorola um this these cases are a little bit different from the Samsung ones these aren't actually about infringement these are specifically about licensing basically both Apple and Motorola or excuse me I'm Microsoft her accusing Motorola of violating their fair reasonable and non-discriminatory obligations on patent licensing saying that they're demanding unreasonable licensing fees well they're demanding tuna quarter percent which shakes out to about six dollars a device for perspective apple says that their standards essential patents are worth thirty to forty dollars per device though their argument already seems a little weak um but the the case against Motorola from apples specifically get tossed out with prejudice and for pretty much the same reasons that the last Apple Motorola case got tossed out by Judge Posner basically the judge ruled that among other things there's there's no win here no matter what the outcome of any kind of licensing trial is nobody actually gets any kind of remedy right like if you want to file a lawsuit in America there has to be a problem and filing a lawsuit has to be able to lead to some solution if there's no actual solution it you can't file a lawsuit it's pretty much what the ruling says there are a lot of other problems with it too like Apple pretty much saying well you know we're submitting to this this case to set a fair reasonable and non-discriminatory rate but if we don't like what that rate is we're just going to ignore it so the judge was a little bit pissed off that Apple is basically saying we want you to waste all of your time to give us a advisory opinion well yet the courts not really there to give you an advisory opinion they're there to give you a legally binding it again that's what the court does so yeah the the judges were pretty pissed at Apple and threw it out pretty pretty strongly um epple really really trying to get back and do it by making a lot of compromises and if you even still just didn't get anywhere with it uh meanwhile on that front the motorola case from microsoft is still proceeding this one's in seattle so microsoft's home turf and the judge is i'd say more than a little bit biased mmm this this judge has ordered the two parties to ignore the findings of other judges from other nations and to not in not implement those other judges you know court orders because apparently this district court judge in seattle thinks that they had jurisdiction over the Mannheim court in germany I don't really know where they think they get that authority they definitely don't have it legally but here we are with you know judge in Microsoft's backyard ruling left and right for Microsoft so this case is not getting thrown out um it is getting shrouded a lot of secrecy on google seems to be taking a lot of flak for that the press but really it's a lot of joint motions to suppress we're both Motorola and Microsoft are signing off together and going to the judge and saying what all of these filings redacted so it's not you know one side trying to hide anything both sides you're trying to hide everything which is pretty standard especially for a licensing trial right this isn't about infringing this is about how do we determine how you know how we value our standards essential patents and so that's a lot of really you know really internal negotiations negotiations with a vast amount of other unrelated companies so there really is a lot of confidential and proprietary information um in other patent news Apple is going to have to pay 368 million dollars to what amounts to basically a patent troll a company called vernet X for infringement of facetime protocols basically they have patents over a technology that more or less establishes a VPN in advance and oliver video connection uh they've been running around suing Microsoft I think they got 100 million from Microsoft they're also going after cisco systems and a bunch of other big-name video conference and type software's so they've been they've been winning everywhere they're filing so they definitely of strong claims and during the case Apple pretty much made the argument that well this is such a small feature of the phone that this infringement really shouldn't matter meanwhile rounded corners should be worth thirty to forty dollars of device all mall a round on are extremely innovative and their guests what's been out there yeah so apples pretty much been been losing pretty rehabbing the patents they even had to have their senior vice president Phil Schiller go back in for more questioning after the first Samsung trial this for the problem is things that he said under oath in the first trial are not quite matching up with things that he said in sworn affidavits that for the second Samsung trial so there there are definitely some questions there and it's highly unusual for witness to be called back in for a case especially after the verdict is already come back on that case um so I mean they aren't saying it's perjury outright and they're never going to have enough like actual evidence to do that but there's definitely substantial suspicion over to the validity of his testimony the spouts speaking of losing duh you guys checked out Apple stock lately oh yeah yeah in the last month i think it's dropped at least a hundred points yeah yes like twenty percent down from its peak yo yeah that's like a hundred billion dollars of value get lost yeah and yet people this brokers and other people are still quoting it as a potential nine hundred dollar stock which 11 line develops document yeah i mean it's ridiculous the most famous one is that Brian White from tobeco capital apparently needs like vemos zeroed in on Apple's business the supply line and everything and he says now it's never been a better time to buy yeah it is true keep right now my BS but I mean so could Google I mean you could look at Google 20 years from now that could be three thousand dollars so oh yeah I mean I've seen lots places that are saying Google's worth a thousand dollars Microsoft's worth 500 it's at 30 right now so that's a huge difference in higher exactly right the market is a finicky thing but I mean everyone has such high expectations towards Apple that even a slight misstep with Foxconn not being able to produce enough iphone so they don't produce an extra 5 million iphones for the quarter that's coming on a slant present to get beaten up in the market yeah slake my steps like selling 5 million iphones in the opening weekend your house is your stock to tumble and having raining sales is it as well yeah and having ipad mini sales that are not in a little bit lackluster boom you mean I've had many sales that are so lackluster that they don't even actually mention them they just lump them together with the sales the ipad 4 I didn't I did it with all of their same type devices oh yeah they did okay so like all iphone sales belong together pretty much yeah yeah okay no no usually on launch weekends they'll say we sold this many of the brand new one this week yeah but you know on earnings calls and stuff they're not going to say anything they're saying iphones this is how many we saw riven right but no for the for the opening weekend announcement it was just iPad so long together which is a little unusual travel ok they doing on earnings Kosta yeah yeah let's move on to some carrier news oh we got some big carrier news sprint buys 480 million dollars of us sell your cellular and then do they do this for customers only did they do it for a spectral probably a little bit of both um they're picking about a little shy of six hundred thousand five hundred eighty-five thousand customers which that's a lot of people but sprint has many things like 40 million customers it's not really a big difference when you're talking about companies that size um really what the picking up is 20 megahertz of PCs spectrum across midwest we got illinois indiana chicago area st. louis area so it's just the whole Middle swath of the country there and this is where they are currently deploying LTE on their plan is to use it for LTE the 20 megahertz block of it means that they're going to be able to build out their LTE substantially more than what they're giving right now no other building it on a five by five blocks and so it's you know for anybody has sprint LTE you know it's a lot slower than verizon or AT&T reason for that it's not a five by five connection instead of 10 my tab now these blocks of spectrum how big is 20 makers I mean it is at a substantial piece of spectrum can they do a lot of damage and offer a lot better service with this spectrum yeah yeah the smell out them to put 10 by 10 ltd in these markets okay that's that's a huge difference versus the five by five that they were looking at before um usually you'll see blocks of sort of ten at a time going so they're getting two chunks of that and a black of 10 megahertz across a market is enough to cover that market at least minimally so 20 mega 20 megahertz of spectrum in that band is a is a big chunk so they're gonna be able to put LTE there which is definitely good for customers in those regions once I can get it up and running okay and on tmobile turns on iphone friendly hspa+ on pcs e baltimore and houston yeah so this is the 1900 megahertz the pcs band which t-mobile has always had service on they've just had edge coverage which is why the iPhone that doesn't have t-mobile's AWS where their hspa+ has been in the past it's why the iPhone only gets edge data is very slow 2g data t-mobile is there their brief framing their 1900 megahertz their pcs deployment and moving a lot of the edge up to hspa+ and this is the same hspa+ that they already have the same 42 megabit so a lot faster than ITT's so people have been checking out the speeds with their iphones in those areas and they're getting two to three times but you can get on a tts so definitely a huge improvement for for t-mobile's 1 million iphone users um just three markets for starters but it's going to be a lot easier for them to do this rollout than it is to do the LTE rollout that a lot of other dumplings you're doing because the reason less expensive yeah the difference between the the you know the edge g-pen GPRS or GPRS GM or UMTS tax just not that much different from HS no it's a very glenn HS your existential yeah where's the jump from that to LTE requires a whole new set of technology lay ahead okay Allison moving on to AT&T I mean AT&T is trying to join the big boys with their LTE rollout they're investing 14 billion dollars into network build out now that's not over there just their wireless but a roll out that is actually their wireless and their wireline yeah I have a back haul you know so they're doing a lot of fibre rollout for businesses and wireless they're doing a lot of the LTE investment that they should have been doing before but they're you know they have the hspa+ to fall back on which is good it's a better fall back than cdma or three yeah it's better than what yeah it's doesn't better than cdma yeah so um it's a huge investment that I think the and their plan to have LTE for 300 million by 2014 I think that they'll hit that towards the end of 2014 yeah but they're like a year behind um when it comes to LTE rollout I mean yeah yeah they're it's I think it's seventy seven or eight markets right now and verizon said something like 400 yeah it's ridiculous verizon I think covers runner-up 215 million people right now he's not going to be to that point until like the end of 2013 so because i tend to use revision ators of revision nine i think its nine and t-mobile's is actually edit at so that does kind of give AT&T a little bit of an advantage over verizon for not having to go back upgrade as much think that but really the only difference in revision nine verses eight is the addition of support for the bass that ate that ATT is used otherwise it's the same tech yeah Tim Tims computers Terry yeah okay and uh also eat EMTs offering like a hundred dollars off for tablets on contracts so they're trying as much as they can to get people on their network and it's a more parent in even more than before and also 18t was fined seven thousand dollars for overcharging customers and that was kind of interesting yeah yeah individual customers are going to get twenty or thirty dollars off on a future bill it has to do with some like weird snafu that they had where they were randomly moving people from one plan to another without telling them this is yeah seven hundred thousand dollars is really very much a slap on the wrist for a company like a that's nothing that's not a lot of money um but their else this was a relatively small case it was this relatively small group of people that were affected by some clerical problem they had and then we have verizon to complete their LTE rollout by mid-2013 and their coverage will be 300 million people currently around 250 right mm-hm and so I mean more rural areas will get it and I mean all the main places have it now um Derek doesn't have it thank goodness um yeah and he'll tell you about it ah oh yeah yeah people um but this is big 2030 mmm um it's ahead of projection oh yeah oh yeah they've thrown a lot of money down yes they are yeah they're about six months ahead of schedule when they stay complete they mean basically their LTE footprint will match they're cdma footprint so if it once once that happens is really when we'll start to see the real transition LTE it's right now everything real realistically still works on cdma and gsm and that LTE is kind of a bolt-on extra and there's some inherent problems with that once we progress the point where things are on LTE and then cdma or gsm is the bolt on back mm-hmm as opposed to the other way around we'll see devices sort of strict to develop in a lot more interesting ways you know metropcs is probably gonna be the first carrier that actually goes that way they're planning to shut down their cdma network by the end of 2013 regardless of the t-mobile buyout um for this is verizon saying that they're going to complete their LTE network doesn't mean that they're going to touch their CVMA they won't even think about starting to roll this down for four probably three to five years after that because they have to make sure that they get every single person on their network off of a cdma only advice on to an LTE device then once they get everybody using you know dual-mode LTE ctmas then they can start dialing that back and they have to wait until they get ever going on to LTE only devices before they ever start shutting it off though so that's the best case there's just two hope you're able to get voice over LTE across the country yeah and I mean Express bleed off all the legacy devices all together and hope people upgrade so yeah and and and I know we've talked about this in previous episodes but the let's say they get their full rollout by mid-2013 and they want to take their LTE to the next level how easy is it for them to upgrade their existing towers is it very you know it is it cost-effective is it is it cheap is it hardware is it software you know I don't know enough about verizon's network architecture to a really detailed answer in lab um it can be set up in a way that it's relatively easy where you just make some software changes and maybe potentially a couple of minimal hardware changes and then flip a switch it can be it can be a lot harder we have to flavor place everything which tends to me that you don't actually replace it you bring up the new thing alongside get to transfer everything very slowly from one to the other do a lot of testing on it and fries and lots to do lots and lots and lots of tests on testing yes that you finally start to decommission the old line so for for example the move from ltd to lte-advanced could be a lot more problematic for some carriers okay and then the shoulder moved lte-advanced might be problematic how about the move to voice over LTE will that be a simple switch um that has to do with the spec Jonathan I mention this earlier LT a spec 9 vs 10 versus the different specifications of an LTE is very much to like developing technology it's not as as firmly standardized as gsm there's something like 17 different revisions of LTE and voice over LTE doesn't come into it until some of the later ones so for verizon for example they don't have voice over LTE at all implementing it and theory should be relatively simple and should be mostly software side but I mean we've seen verizon stroll with a lot of their network in plantations and they're still having a lot of problems with the LTE to cdma handoffs so giving voice over LTE to hand off to see the MA was only done for the first time and demonstration just at last year's CES by qualcomm it still isn't really widely used on metro pcs has voice over LTE but they I don't think they actually do a cdma hand off of that a poner right like if you're on a voice over LTE connection you drop your L to eat you drop your call ok i would so move on to from carrie renewals move on to some devices jonathan yet some information for us yeah first on the table is the HTC droid DNA which if you've been following this particular device it's been previously rumored to be the DLX like the deluxe or the droid incredible x of the dicks so whichever one you were hoping it was going to be the droid DNA appears to be your final name there's a November 13th event that is a joint event between HTC and Verizon in new york city that will announce this device that's this is the nexus devices right same day that the nexus 10 and the others will being released and it has gotten FCC approval for verizon cdma and lt so this device is coming now is this going to be HTC's i'm coming let's face the facts HTC has been torn apart as a company they are losing lot me you know a lot of money it is this going to be a device that people are going to swap up I mean on paper good very wealthy it's got its got it operates let's hope they market it well but you know they're they're beating Samsung and others to a 1080p screen to a quad-core processor on a newer architecture than what's there they're beating them to a lot of different hardware specifications and the battery life is a little bit of a question mark but it's got it where it counts though display the display on the One X is beautiful and it's this is going to be you know a step up from that I mean I don't know it's like a 440 pics ppi pixel this so you're not gonna be able to see that but this should be some improvements I mean it's well beyond what you're going to see with the naked eye yeah it is the best panel on the market right now for a mobile but a lot of stuff that's not talked about with regard to those panels toshiba ng Japan display and they both demonstrated no 1080p displays of this caliber so apparently though there's going to be two revisions of the panel that's used some tennis it felt itself is going to come from Toshiba which is the one that's going to be on the devices headed towards the states and the other panel is going to be destined for international markets so there will be a little bit of difference probably with regards to brightness but either way I mean they hit it out of a Part B on second thought is I think at this point with these type of display the pics on this the only the biggest ? now it's just the color balance it's getting that right because you're not going to get individual pixels on a 5-inch screen or even a even a larger screen you get in 1080p resolution you're not going to see the pixels you're going to see the color balance and accuracy of that make it up maybe you don't mention the data you don't just for being able to fire to actually fully take advantage of that is just absolutely take advantage like an ALICE it's the arguments are going to come down to color balance and visibility in daylight and viewing angles and yeah that nature at this point then than it is seeing individual pixels anymore yeah likes to use their retina branding for marketing purposes and the sort of the definition that is supposed to be more pixels than what you can see with the naked eye um realistically there are 3 26 in the iphone in the iphones anything about 260 it does not mean for for most practical people yes it is more than what you can distinguish for somebody with perfect 2020 vision you can distinguish pixels at that density it has to be over about 350 to actually get that far and we're talking about something that's into the 400 range this is well beyond what the human eye is Kate way distinguishing I wouldn't think the real question is is this device you know along with verizon massive marketing push that setting up is it gonna be enough to reverse HTC fortunes on the other words kind of rooting for HTC we know we want to come need to succeed to produce great party okay yeah I mean it certainly could be they they built their brand on the back of the droid incredible had the HTC even the any Motorola no I let's not be good i'm sure i think the back to that i've heard with those two devices and built up and then the desire series in trash they mean they've got it they've got to recapture that if they want to get back on their feet verizon they really kind of shot themselves in the foot with the thunderbolt in the result and they were bound to the Thunder ball gets a lot of hate but realistically the Thunderbolt wasn't the droid charge which is was a disaster T worse it was much worse than a thunderbolt you know now now the Thunderbolts usable the charges just had so many hardware issues and yeah in a long streak of this horrible devices the the x on it was probably the only you know but that was Motorola's first shot as Elton that was probably the only one that didn't have major major it still had signal issues but you know HTC got better with the resound as far as implementation and not your own 2nd gen LT hardware these arguments are out the window ya heard what the thunderbolt and and there yeah the problem there was the tech and like you said I mean verizon just had this string of crappy devices because the tech just wasn't there to back him up in all the cross they were a little fuzzy up to you HTC all of them were just cracked devices just they were pretty bad and even the incredible 4G LTE is you know verizon's cheap and down Verena would have been a one ass it really just should have been what a semi these things aren't really helping HTC's reputation but now Oh HTC really just gets burned basically because there they own pretty much every major u.s. care did the first one to introduce a new network technology they've just gotten burned for they had the what the heavily to attend imax the first LTE device on EMTs the higher AT&T the first hspa+ 42 device on mobile I mean they work with carriers closely but sometimes it just becomes meant to get you you know the fact that they innovate like that and our first to the you know to the game I think that's why people are rooting it for them and the fact of the matter is we want more competition so I mean I hope that they pull out of it we don't want to see a two horse race between said oh yeah I mean we already are but it's just standing so close able to see some how to care should be taken up by two players in the market yes let me just tell me to see Linda Linda if we look at the role of you know he has three this time it represented like the first time that you know internet for pumping like Samsung was able to have a pretty considered bullet on a global basis and it was only a month you know after the actual events in London at the st that it went on sale international and then a month later he looks on say on the state's about a month depending on the carrier that's helps your marketing substantially because you can pop online Sam something with the Olympic Games and galaxy s3 whatever carries your own Otranto get yourself a little basis right yep yeah you don't need that if rehydrate CN a stalker so so speaking of Mexico so speaking of the motorola razr HD is going to be Mexico's first LTE smartphone via tell cells so yeah not a bad device to start yourself off with its mmm the razr HD wait around with one and Verizon assalam she really saw the phone well built has a good feel in the hand and then just lead over for customer south of the border finally getting LTE yeah definitely hungry sauna it's a good time for them to get an LT so long as the carrier holds up their end of it yeah definitely it's definitely especially as a lot of newer places are rolling out LTE and Europe is kind of coming to the day anyway again a lot of HS still just now getting on over three months through now yeah it's I mean there are a lot of advantages to that because it's it's more established now and so they kind of know how to do it right learn for US military saints yeah verizon I heard I heard from some people that work with Motorola out of Asia that they typically don't really prioritize devices outside of the United States we've always known that you know motor oil has been very much a North American focus um but Google is making a big push you know to expand their reach on an international basis so I think we'll see a lot more device off yourself and actually to know the road soon there is land outside of the United States ya know I realize it more a lot more people live was def assignable look a lot harder it focusing on the international community in terms of device purchasers and wireless thumbing their noses at verizon and AT&T and sprint as device purchasers it's so much easier to hit an international push to to hit so many young users because i'm a technologist so i get the device updates so much match they don't ya know and they're they're targeting their consumers to be consumers not yet companies that then turn around and resell to the consumers yeah ok so speaking of germany oh yeah german galaxy note 10.1 is going to be dealing jellybean 4.1 all that rolling out now is that rolling out that's one out now growing up so just being is this jelly bean is to be had on the more clearly being goodness that stuff we see nice to feed that market or go up of that bump it up I don't get another half a percentage point or so on that is a big improvement over I CSI oh man really is you know you know you don't realize until they use a device on a daily basis and they just kind of hit hit you just how much yeah and in addition to the notes s-pen I think it also has the samsung picture in picture mode so it doesn't especially in a tablet i think that gets a lot more use than aneya yeah okay modified the great a multi window mode if they fix the multi window mode issues that's worth the upgrade in itself because the first time you guys have used better the over screen browser before i'll give you use that real find that they actually have an updated it to to jelly bean you know and if you look at some some sort of pop up play which they have you know in all the places the reason once a week jelly bean doesn't work with over screen you know but they're for browsers living in functionality you can't resize if you can't do a lot of things with it so Samsung basically just forward the idea made it less functional and the developers have enough data yet let's give a little taste yeah yeah more to come not exactly where we go multi window it's inherently limited and you can only using you know a small set of circumstances person knows mambi HTC one sv another one s variant is a coming off Australia Singapore and maybe Europe as ice itself is very similar to the one s and kind of like almost closer between a1 S and an incredible 4G yeah it doesn't have the debt image sense super camera processing stuff that the 1s and the ex have which is pretty good pretty soon why the HTC shots and then the expert on the cameras and yeah it still has the same camera sensor so the actual like the quality films were the same it just cannot do the fancy processing that the others can be with them um and it's also got the same down clocked one point to hear its dual core Krait that the ink for jihad as posts the 1.5 that's and the others so definitely a mid-range device um I think it's 4.3 inches and qhd so definitely not yeah not anything to write home about these days but yeah is associated technology has come to the point that we're saying this yeah yeah definitely where this is honey you're shining a device with a you know pretty solid processor in a qhd screen and just labeling it as just run-of-the-mill than this I'd say we're in a much better place and we're two years ago so okay and then even when Erica yeah yeah M&S is going to be available in ceramic black for free t-mobile USA yes that's the fancy international arc welded ceramic were they like flesh well lit it some ridiculous way basically strike it with lightning to ceramicist this metal so I a lot of us make someone and earth to go to that trouble if they couldn't just powder coat the metal yeah that's it doesn't sound it's cool yeah it was nice but you can look at school you can hit powder coating with a hammer ooh not even chip it but I guess how long too much of a shock I fog out in the details and brings me on to the fact that colors and being carrier exclusive is pissing me off the fact that some cash maroon colors some carriers have black some here garnet red ridiculous yeah it is get a case make it whatever color you want make a thin case because cases are annoying yes but you want you to color get case yeah the last little bit for devices Motorola has added the electrify m to their device unlocked program so if you're on US cellular then you can get an unlockable motorola device now yeah I think that's basically a clone of the razor ab just yes very slightly it's honestly shocking because most of the smaller carriers like that don't even get phones they're that good so yeah a lot of a lot of the smaller lot of the smaller carriers are still getting new phones with Gingerbread and two year old hardware so yeah it's kind of that's what they make their money they make a ton on it yeah so I the first time good tell us a little bit more about nexus 4 giveaway right yeah absolutely yeah so obviously uh thanks for checking out the Hangout guys you know for visiting android authority this is all we do you live to serve you guys trying to make the site as good as possible you know make youtube or production our device reviews the vs and really cover everything about the android ecosystem because we're really passionate about it so with that in mind we always love to get back and we're going to be giving away nexus 4 for international audience and so obviously for those of you guys who have tuned in right now you've probably been waiting for the secret code anyway so the code for the hippos extra point for this time around it's going to be a a loves nexus 4 and so that's a a lov es n e x us for just remember to punch that in on the rafflecopter little widget there and the article and you will get those points no gainers to know does capitalization matter on that it doesn't matter though okay so we're just going to go to join so basically you'll just see at the top of the sites go to android authority calm and there will be a nexus for international giveaway just there for talk we've made the post acquisto no matter what day or time you go you'll see it there you just scroll down about two thirds down the page and you'll see the rafflecopter widget and from there you can just enter the secret code and you can't just like people that i gave you and there we on our end will see that you've 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specific listeners you also have an Indian version of android authority which is just I end on android authority calm when we cover Android news android device releases and all that other stuff related specifically to Indian market where we actually have another nexus point giveaway there too you know we don't want you guys to get infected so we have a separate giveaway for you guys said to you sir check out that site also excellent sweet so again the code is AAA loves nexus 4 that's right that is the code okay loves nexus for that all right so let's move on to rootin and ramen and then with wrap up here so cyanogenmod they built in a root root capable file explorer yeah that's that's def I huge fur for people that especially for people they're doing testing I know personally one of the biggest annoyances I have is I flash gapps on something I'm just putting it up to test and I can't get access the file system because I have to download a file browser I know senator mud used to package a file explorer that was kind of mediocre uh this one definitely looks a lot nicer plus it has built-in root capability that's all integrated with the last rest of their development options so you don't need to get root explorer or solid explorer beta or any other route capable I'll explorers it's just built into the realm right there for you which realistically is how it should be it's Italy it's nice but the fact of the matter is that a solid explorer beta 2 it has a you know you you know root file explorer that's fine that's great but it also has dual windows that you can initiate your cloud services and literally copy and paste your files your cloud into your device it is the easiest way to view files and copy stuff and oh it's great yes I like science and by the signs it kinda has an obligation to know people still don't really separate the difference between AOSP and Google proprietary applications and they have somewhat of an obligation to have a phone that could stand by itself usage wise without having the Play Store tied to it so right you have applications like that it's pretty useful that to have something that's usable and you don't have to you know you don't want to flash the software on there just desperately have to track down apks online or something to be able to to get something that's fully functional so I think their biggest kind of like the Apollo music versus having google play music you know they accomplish the same functions but one of them is open source and you don't have to tie in technical services to use it so right and then the jelly bean for not to core app updater Dan well yes so some different organizations or I guess individuals and the latter community put together basically a flashable zip with all the core jelly bean 4.2 applications um so it lets you flash the new swipeable keyboard together with the new pinch to zoom enable the total email the video camera and gallery that's all built in it I think there's a couple of other tweaked applications and there as well bundle them all up and flash them together I've heard those issues with it it's apparently still using an older version of the new gmail that doesn't updates for the icons and still has some problems is actually associated with the Play Store ah yeah because I'm running the photosphere and the new keyboard keyboard has been great and had no problems with it but photosphere I gallery crashes probably a couple times a day yeah I've heard that the the packaged app the the flash before it is using some older versions of the keyboard and smaller versions of the camera in the gallery so it might not be the latest and greatest fixed up once but obviously this is all still moving target is 4.2 is not even really out yet when is Google going to release it well there I mean the I don't know if the device is go on sale or just go up for pre-order on the 13th I guess we'll find out in five days um but my guess would be that the code will go up on for the devices probably almost simultaneously before and you know it the latest usually the latest had been is probably what two days later or so yeah i think that i may just about it's like two days after they were in customers hands yeah okay well um so for those of you guys watching you guys can watch us on youtube you can subscribe to us on youtube you can subscribe and listen to us on soundcloud if you don't want to deal with the video bandwidth or if you just don't like looking at us I understand dan sometimes i just cannot look at him but a soundcloud also we have an RSS feed were available on podbean we are available on itunes also stitcher radio and if you want to find all the posts we do a post after every show the day after we have all the streaming content up the night of and the next day we have the article if you go to android authority calm and scroll down to the bottom right there is a section on the bottom called on here and you can get all that good eNOS stuff and figure out 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