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welcome to android authority on air the original android hangout show on google+ I'm Derek Ross time scott henderson and we are joined by johnathan franklin and daniel Charlton thank you guys for joining us as usual great to have you here must be here alright so so this week on the show we have a lot to talk about we're talk about the Android ecosystem and how it's doing really well in China we're gonna go over a bunch of app updates as we all know android 4.2 came out a bunch of apps have to be updated for compatibility there's a whole bunch of device updates this week apparently a whole bunch of nexuses were sold and then sold out under root and ramen while we're going to talk about some cyanogenmod drama but it's been resolved unfortunately that had to happen uh we're gonna go over our nexus 4 giveaway we're gonna give a special code away so stay tuned to later in the show and for carrier news and OEM news later on the show and talk about how carriers are pretty much l teeing all the things right now it last but not least trying to talk about patent wars and how HTC and app will have come to some sort of agreement interesting and so as I said we're talking about the Android ecosystem real quick so apparently in China Android is huge over ninety percent market share that's crazy so pretty much China and Android are a match made in heaven android is kicking ass in China um and there don't bury well elsewhere in the world to right now Android accounts for nearly three out of four smartphone sales globally and in quarter three so I mean we knew already knew that we knew that it was huge but you know 75% of all smartphone sales and 23 we're Android mm-hmm that's pretty significant I mean well the iphone 5 ml is apple tree you know i think when you look at markets like China where Apple had a late start one of the biggest things that holds people back from going to Android or other platforms as though I've bought so many applications on this ecosystem about so many applications through itunes they'll have that you know holding them back or anything because they're you know android kind of caught up to iOS by the time that Apple even got a phone over there so yeah they have no justification whatsoever to lock themselves down to that ecosystem yeah no I mean 75% globally is still huge it's more than utah more than three times what apple's share is it's just it is crushing it though this is something we know we know androids dominating yeah that's why this is the android authority hangout show and not the the iOS authority handle or the android ketchup show yeah ketchup alright so so Scott we said a whole bunch of apps got updated this week yeah first like I want to start off um google released a lot of f updates this week and i'm getting sick and tired of just seeing in the what's new bug fixes or improvements I want them to elaborate just a little bit as to what they fixed what they improved I'd be I'd be very curious to know that I mean wouldn't you guys want to see a more in-depth what's new a changelog you know I mean it's been common practice for a while now especially like for Google+ which it was updated which'll you'll get to to update it and then to have the same damn change log for the past like for updates like I mean I understand if it's a bug fix if it is say it's a bug fix you know but but still I we don't need to have you know major new features every single time but it is nice to at least know what was what was done exactly Todd okay so let's start off with one that hasn't been updated for a long time and that's google voice the upgrade to android for that to basically had some issues with google voice and had some force closes and basically the update for me is still running for dot one dot to seems a lot faster also it does work on my seven which is not force closing and it's working beautifully this is a nap I think that they need to update way more often what was the last time you they updated it was he gone I think when it got hollow there was a marshal it was during ICS so it at ICS compatibility and now they just updated for jellybean I think that's a ridiculous amount of time but if you with it with it this still has some issues that need to work out to it's it's a compared to gmail and say you know messenger from Google+ or gtalk it's really a very slow laggy app the even being a little bit faster than it used to be that's not saying a lot because it runs pretty terribly yeah yeah it's a very glitchy app yeah I think that is going to cash a lot more data and then be less glitchy but you know whatever okay so let's move on to google play books bug fixes Google Play magazines minor fixes Google+ basically at the same changelog as before as derecho stating i personally am having a problem with just opening up google+ and going into the stream and it not refreshing for me and when i try to refresh then it doesn't show anything it just doesn't refresh but would I back out of the app then it notifies me that it's been updated its yeah I have that happen from time to time it's pretty annoying yeah it is um they still not fixed that so my google on the nova launcher got a four dot to compatibility same with Apex Launcher and in not a really android app update but kind of a Google+ integration update you can one-click install android apps through google plus links which is very convenient and a nice it's more than just apps you can do music you know as well I assume you can probably do books and magazines I haven't tried it but I've done it with with music and probably maybe you can even do it with movies too you just take it you take the URL yeah yeah so you're the Play Store on the one the web and you take the URL for set appt piece of music whatever and then you and paste that into a Google+ post as soon as you paste it in there it comes up with a nice pretty little google play you know click here to install click here to buy click here to listen you know whatever link it's really nice uh it's I'll tell you what it's going to do it's going to drastically increase app today's music sales you know it app installs whatever I mean the fact you can easily share that and you in it in everybody's stream they get a big fat install here button or a big fat by here button I think it's going to increase in sales that's great and that's great for you know people have content on Play Store yeah and i think that uh you know they're pushing so hard for Google+ to be a platform and if it becomes the central platform of you know social on the web if that ever happens then it's definitely going to increase a lot of stuff but they still haven't given us really a search function or a filter function for what kind of posts so if you want to see all the apps that your friends or people that you circled share that'd be kind of cool um okay let's move on to box for android you have the ability now to download entire folders for offline viewing that's very nice something that was limited in that app you also have an in-app file editor which is nice and then also ask astro file manager got updated given image viewer and you also have SkyDrive support like a lot of these lockers data lockers or sinkers are getting SkyDrive support work I think they're realizing that a lot of people do have windows and it will be soon one of the big players which is exciting yeah it's not just windows microsoft especially with office 2013 is making SkyDrive very essential to businesses now so it's for you know a lot of people in enterprise are going to need to have SkyDrive access yeah and speaking of you know lockers in the cloud on dropbox hit 100 million users yeah which that is a great milestone and i think that all these other companies are you know trying to innovate and trying to help better ideas in order to get more subscribers and more people that use their service because ideally they want your data yeah um then Google's blogger for Android a very big update a lot of user experience type stuff it is now hollow themed and just a lot of bug fixes and stuff gmail search improvements you can search by file size and but I don't know if that's for the Android version is it that's desktop yeah that's desktop that's the actual website no but that's pretty cool it's all related yeah that's a good update to talk about yeah like it also in the Android app because I saw several several places that were reporting on it we're showing off like during the search on an errand it might be a universal search function yeah yeah okay that make sense yeah like it's to the gmail back-end like the app just magically it doesn't now because they change the way search functions that's very cool very good to know dare we say it just works yes I up and then uh now that we're continuing on with apps the google apps for iOS is rumored it's rumored in beta testing this will be exciting to see what they offer iOS users if it's a fully baked type of service as opposed to kind of a have big thing that they did initially and then Apple got angry about and then they decided to do their own thing but I'm excited to see what they've been missing out on and I'm excited for them to see um you know what the advantages are of having a Universal navigation type thing for my turn I Derek device updates yes so apparently the HTC evo 4g LTE I love that device you notice a mouthful to say um barely it's getting jelly diverse and it's not getting uh you know the the new jelly bean 4.2 obviously it's it's just going to rock the old 4.11 for now but that looks like it's gonna be rolling out here very shortly if not already and other HTC devices uh made some headlines this week the HTC droid DNA was officially unveiled on Tuesday the same day as a bunch of other devices a in my opinion that was bad other people think that that was good they're playing off of the launch but that's that's besides the point we'll get to that later and the droid DNA has an international cousin we found out about today the HTC deluxe or the HTC DLX which sometimes is referred to as the HTC d lowercase L X the HTC di X you know what do we really don't know what what it uh was referred to in the past some call it the HTC dicks I'm called the HTC deluxe whatever so apparently it's finalized as the HTC deluxe for the international crowd cool um a little bit about the the DNA and we'll get to this one under root and ramen but it looks like the right now the DNA can be unlocked at least the demo models that people are getting can be unlocked from the HTC dev unlocker so that's very cool so it might actually you know get a bunch of AOSP support from developers and it's exciting so speaking of AOSP support let's talk about some Nexus devices that finally went on sale a couple days ago so the Nexus 10 yeah went on sale next is for went on sale and then brand spanking new Nexus 7 with hspa+ went on sale and the cool thing about those three devices I just named they're also out now so all versions oh no no baby Nexus 4 is both eXistenZ and the hspa+ Nexus 7 so basically every new device that they launch Jack's that do the three things had a high demand or they didn't have a whole lot in the first run or both or a little bit of element I think a little bit of both I think they overshot there so I wonder why they actually you know these advice launch first you know first launched in Australia and a bunch of Google+ friends in our posting hey I bought it I bought it and then like 35-40 minutes into it it was all sold out like huh okay alright see how it's gonna go next morning you wake up early in the morning and you find out the exact same thing happened in Europe pretty much they went on sale and you know 40 minutes later you know they're all out surfing okay it's going to turn into an all-out war here in a few hours so the rumor was at twelve o'clock eastern are 9 Pacific that you're going to be able to buy the the Nexus the new Nexus devices and there wasn't any official word it was all you know speculation rumor everybody assumed and then 830am happens uh or 1130 depending on where out in the country and all of a sudden you can start buying devices a half hour earlier than then people thought you could and man you know the servers were getting hammered people weren't able to add to cart their card items disappear they're getting server errors basically android fans hammered the hell out of the google play store and some people got devices some are shipping some will be here maybe tomorrow and the next day and a bunch of unlucky people got an email today saying that yeah um your device is on backorder it could be three weeks before you get it so i guess let us know in the comments did you buy a net a Nexus device which one did it ship did you get an email confirmation a tracking number is it on its way did did you get told oops sorry wait three weeks in did you pick up a bumper you know is that part of the delay some people are speculating that so that's a go around here so sedans you order any of the new Nexus devices I did ordered the eight gigabyte Nexus 4 I actually was able to get you order in at about one-thirty so pretty late but I got a purchase confirmation and then I had again anything sense that no you know no notification that my device is on backorder but also no shipping notification or any communication of any kind nice nice um I heard that um if you have a email that you got sent that said it was going to be delayed three or four weeks are they offering free shipping on those devices if usually some because you can still pull out and say that you don't want it but if you if you just be in you will get free shipping which is kind of cool how much was shipping on your device I think it's like six dollars okay so it's a yeah and that's sometimes they're gonna say yeah that's nice it you know and we're say in the comments you're some people are you know haven't heard anything yet no they don't have a tracking number confirmation or they don't have a poops we're sorry backorder email there in limbo so yeah I think that's one thing that's one thing to note about the entire launch is I know we're all Android and Google enthusiasts but we have to be honest about the fact that Google has to get better retail if they want to be a player in this marketing you know put devices out there not really competing with the samsungs and the university's models but they've got to get better at that they have to have better at in person type of customer support over the phone they have to adopt a retail mentality there over the phone support I had to get my Nexus forward place because that the first one I had the touch me without responsive but they're over the phone sporulation a nexus for the nexus 7 he was talking about yes sorry the nexus 7 so months ago but they're over the support was really really good it's awesome the support is good there's not a clear way to get to it reassured on you think that Google needs to step up their game because they sold out within under an hour and every market day BK it became available they sold out with under an hour under a half hour maybe even here in the US like some people put it like 20-25 minutes so big mahalo Jesus could have been solved had been taking pre-orders now okay because i anticipate the market does this not happen to do the online sales for iphones it the same thing happens the day they sell out in 30 minutes online and hits the fan it's this is a problem with big popular I don't have a problem with that's selling out that's perfectly fine the problem is part of the reason at least in us why it sold out so quickly is because they were having so much problems with their servers and this is Google Google server failing the people were ordering 16 and 20 devices because they kept tried to add it to their cart and then it didn't work and then the try it again and then it did work and then they get them like the confirmation and realize that they had like 16 devices on their cart yeah and so that's why people were able to get them later in the day as well because they cut you know people would go back and cancel 50 of those and free them back up for sale I so we're just asking about the giveaway just because we're talking about the devices we're not giving away yet we're gonna give away the the code in the details on the giveaway here a little bit later in the show so still stay tuned still you know still watch it live listen you know if you're doing something else that's fine we're we're still going to do it we're just talking about the the Nexus devices right now because a lot of stuff happened yeah yeah so so uh me uh yeah I succumb to I'm so much peer pressure tech pressured Android geekiness pressure I'm week I had decided that I was not going to get it because it does me that that watch the show that know me know that I have 2g GSM here where I live now at work and other you know other surrounding areas i frequent there's hspa+ 21 and work there's actually t-mobile as 42 and a couple other areas you know about half hour away or so have hspa+ so electron all lost so anyways I I did a big you know cool call research I did like a week or two ago and I decided that wasn't going to get it because i have for service here oh and then everybody i know started talking about it and then you know people that I know in Europe start talking about then people I know and Australia start talking about and then people that I'm friends with here start tell me up I'm watering it here in an hour yep I'm ordered here in a half hour and then some Frenchy I talked to uh the UH he he gave me some good advice and talked me into it but I wasn't all ham I one of my buddies and that's actually on the show sometimes Derek more he he told me he was getting in on say you know what if you're getting it now I have to get it too and then I decided there's such high demand for this phone that if I get it and in two weeks I me I'm gonna I'm gonna use it hard and then Thanksgiving vacation thanksgiving weekend holiday weekend we're here is coming no I'm going to be using a lot of mobile data and using my phone hard talking the family and everything that's gonna be a pretty big test so if it fails for me there's such high demand for the phone I'm gonna be able to sell it for what I paid for it and i'll be out a few bucks on my plan oh well you know and at least I'll know and I at least I'll know that I tried to use it and I can't or I can and that's the biggest thing if the demand wasn't so high and I wouldn't be able to sell it for what I paid for you're not gonna try to price craft anybody but someone wants to take it off my hands for me yeah I'll definitely do that already have a few offers on the table so so yeah I bought 10 by the tracking number I have a confirmation for those of you they're curious i ordered it about 1133 am I got my order in before the mad server crash or rush and I have a tracking number it says it left Kentucky this afternoon will be here tomorrow fingers crossed confidence hi I'm betting I'll be screwed and won't get it to monday though that's just me so let's talk about a couple other devices here we've spent a lot of time than the new Nexus is launched so other other big devices up kindle fire 8.9 is now shipping the LTE version is going to be starting next week remember the LTE version comes with it was a dumb eighties network and they give you a limited amount of a data usage for free it's actually not bad in my opinion prettier though yeah it's / it's per year but in a bind and it's not that bad um t-mobile's a galaxy s3 is getting a jellybean you can get it through keys or over the air update and Google TV not so much a film but it runs android so i'll talk about that google TV received a whole bunch of updates this week let's talk about some app so there is two major app updates the first one is you too well mean that that's fun so if you have a google TV and you have an android tablet or android phone you can now stand or fling q content movies yum TV shows you know whatever funny stuff music videos whatever you want of the millions and millions and millions of videos on the YouTube you can queue whatever you want to on your TV now now you can do some of this before through other methods or you can control it with the youtuber mode but it wasn't is fun it wasn't as intuitive as it is now so like I said you can you can do this from your Android device and the nice thing about it is is you can do it for multiple Android devices so if you have friends / family over whatever mom you know kids in the house whatever wife you know whoever all of you can add content to watch on on the TV and everybody can control what's currently playing so the videos playing that you played and somebody besides I don't wanna watch this yeah they they can make him pause it skip it choose to watch something else so uh but but uh it's still fun that everybody can control it I know I was testing it and I'm sitting there queuing up a whole bunch of videos and I wondered why the video I was watching us watching a lindsey stirling the one her dubstep violin videos and it kept stopping what the hell why'd it stop so I hit play and plays for like five more seconds and stopped it's like man this sucks this is buggy you know and I poked my head around the corner my wife's sitting there laughing like she's sitting here on her phone like like pause in the video but what was need is a on her phone since she had added things to the cue on her phone it popped up whatever was playing so you know she died like notification saying hey this is playing do you want to stop it you know look control the volume skip it add your own things and also on the YouTube app you can go to a TV q section where as you can see every single video that is in the queue so you can add as many as you want to uh know if there's a limit I've added dozens um now it was kind of hard for me to figure it out that you can actually remove those at first I didn't think you could I noticed on the the picture of the video thumbnail there's a little blue down arrow and I thought hey look that's not supposed to be there and I click on it and it didn't do anything but if you click right you mean you really have to be very very precise but if you click on the little down arrow it actually gives you the options to then remove the videos that are playing so if you decide you don't want them in the queue anymore you can remove them but it's a I think that needs to be made a little bit bigger most people probably will have problems with that until they tried out a few times or even maybe not even know it's there um so if you guys tried that all you try the YouTube flinging a YouTube sending queuing it all on your device's try to just me personally if another person with a different google account comes in and it's in no way associated with my google TV does that automatically get queued and they can control her as long as you're on the same Wi-Fi network yes you just had videos you just had to be on the same Wi-Fi network so if you have some YouTube you know content you know that you want to add back and forth yo Marcus at party or you want to have mean comedy night uh no but yeah you can do it I i think this functionality but will be great i I mean if you guys remember this is kind of like the Nexus Q remember the Nexus Q could do similar functionality so when you can do this to to music that you have through google music when you can do this through TV and movie app um chances are this is the first of many apps that will be able to do that now that's just a guess well but I would assume that once they realize that this takes off the google TV will add other functionality in the future i mean it it's great i I think it's fine you know it really is so another google TV update is uh the TV and movies app you know where you could search for content the minyan live shows movies and TV shows and then you went in and you customized it by your ratings and everything that hap has been renamed it's no longer you know a search at I it's called prime time and for me on my vizio I was not told to update the app I i went to the play store and saw there was an app update and updated it I'm I know other people had it pop up saying there was an update and other people didn't so just luck of the draw guess whenever it was pushed to your device and whenever you saw it so couldn't go an update that's called prime time now it's a there's a little bit of UI changes it's a little more intuitive and said uh the search features are a little bit better overall to it's a great update and the some of the features i haven't actually used yet that you're going to be able to see content related to what you're currently watching so you're watching a certain movie or certain TV show a certain sports a sporting event it'll come up with you related content that's immuno similar to that um or other things that are showing that are related to it so it's a heck of an update and last does that trickle down to the review I know you'd said that the YouTube updates due to the prime time change as well I'm a bad google TV ambassador I don't know the answer to that question I don't know if the review gets that I'm gonna say yes I um yes I'm gonna say it does because I I'm yes it does um I'm not too sure that it's going to get the next thing we're going to talk about though yeah um the next thing is is a platform 3 the google TV version 3 it's right now rolling out to the LG TV and that's a heck of an update that the biggest thing about it is is voice search so I believe we talked about this a few weeks ago on a show and that when the video was first leaked and we'll talk about it again just just real quick so voice search we all know what it is we use it you know google search voice search you know android has had it forever but now you know it ties into the knowledge graph and this is coming to Google TV so for example you say into your microphone that is built into your remote or you talk into the Android app and you say show me movies with Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale and it comes up with the dark knight you know some things you can do with Google now like if you said that into Google now right now so yeah it's very cool I me and you know you don't know the name of a TV show you don't name a movie you just speak about it talk about it and the voice search you know since it's built into the knowledge graph it will it will find it or try to to find it you can say you know channel you know I want to watch Fox yeah you not to say awww man what's Fox is it the 5327 my channel numbers anymore they change it around a few years ago and I don't know if they are yeah yeah yeah so you don't have to know that anywhere you can just tell your TV what you want and it's going to do it very cool i guess it's rolling out to the LG TV right now other devices are on other devices will get it soon no ETA s maybe by the end of the year fingers crossed confidence high and if you have questions about the microphone um current devices I think that the sony has a mic built in um other things like like the vizio co-star and review they don't have a mic built in um but future Google TV devices will come with Mike's built in to their remote and I said the Android app should should be able to take that off your shoulders for you it should be able to do it so you not to buy a new motor buy a new device yeah so they also are being Apple to the punch on Syria integration for Apple TV getting there people of voice TV right now do you remember all I I don't know how long ago so I'm just gonna say a long time ago maybe a year ago maybe six months ago there was a patent that was found by Google where you were going you were look you know that the diagram said you're going to talk into a device to be able to control everything and everyone's like wow this is Android at home this is Android at home well me you know I bet and it's not i'm betting it's actually you're talking to your advice and controlling your TV your entertainer it said you're going to control an entertainment device i have it that was a google TV pet not long as it sounds exactly like it all right so let's move on off of devices o said let us know if you're getting the nexus is as I said and you know if you had success or your raging or are you had fails um let's talk about rooting and ramen real quick so I don't spend a whole lot of time on this because I don't want to beat a dead horse or spread drama rumors but it's a big you know it cyanogenmod is huge in the Android world so just in this affects everybody so that's that is in the routing and roaming basically so it's worth mentioning so the cyanogenmod dot-com domain was was basically held for ransom you can go there website and read all the details we don't need to get into all that but the a few things that they found out what's happening was a stiva cyanogen himself was you know getting impersonated maybe two vendors or and so forth OEM saying hey I'm Steve Kondik you know give me this give me that may I say you can go then read all the details but uh the team is now regained control of all their social media accounts that and you know they they're they're getting control of cyanogenmod com in the meantime they transition to cyanogenmod org and you know and I actually noticed that yesterday maybe the day before before the announcement actually came out I went to cyanogenmod com I saw redirected to organize what the hell when did that happen so I started so I start looking around trying to find you know when that happened so I and then I you know the next day the blog post went up i was actually confused when i first saw that but apparently the the situation has been resolved amicably so you know the you can find all the all the information all the posts and say they're all over google+ over sine law com or double work um said yeah there and read it we all need to spread the drama but if you want to know a little bit more about it so the daughter TL DR version is is something bad happen now it's all good um um so the nexus 4nexus s motorola xoom hspa+ next 27 are all left out of a osa p for now yeah so it looks like the nexus s and the zoom aren't just aren't gonna get 4.2 yeah yeah yeahs there or they reached end of official end of life right the nexus 7 the hspa+ nexus 7 and the new york's brand new nexus 4 are still not in though and David you remember it's a still not and not ain't never going to be Dan do you remember about his last februari um you and I were talking to j BQ actually mainly you because you know a lot more about this than I do it with a quail calm about their licensing and the nexus 4 i'm sorry the nexus one and jb you came back and said that you know her for the past four years you know qualcomm has been the same way i mean to get the rills to radio code you know I mean everything from from them was a Hewitt is yes so it's interesting that knowing that that we have you know the same problem of four years later yeah no I mean it all indications are that Qualcomm is the holdup on that with some kind of licensing negotiation issues I know that it's certainly Google's goal to get them into AOSP my my suspicion is that it will get there it's just going to take a little bit of time which and in the nexus 7 I mean that's a radio licensing you know gsm radio licensing so it'll it doesn't have a Qualcomm Qualcomm processor so how many might have an awesome radio okay it could be um but they really aren't that many options anymore for open hardware no was with Texas Instruments and they were probably the most open out of all of them but Qualcomm and then what's your alternative you got samsung's new song and yet about it Samsung's a little bit better in testing is really the only user of Samson's products so that's kind of erupted block because you've got Intel which that's off the table right now and you know that you don't have a lot of really open hardware options even when you're so I mean and almost every device in the world right now is a Qualcomm radio so you're going to have to fight them regardless so you might as well just take the processor yeah maybe Nvidia's grey tigra great processor just supposed to have its own integrated radio built by a sarah maybe that'll change the game but they do that they haven't shown really the capacity to match qualcomm radio making ability all right so if you're you're into ruin and rom and you're gonna want to know about when's my device getting android 4.2 as a custom rom so those of us that are rocking the verizon galaxy nexus for at least another day or two another three weeks or for the next year um you're going to know when am I getting 4.2 well yeah verizon I give it to you yeah so so you rely on custom roms so right now there's three um did I know of three custom roms out there for the verizon galaxy nexus on AOSP 4.2 there's there's a mozzies of rom you might remember him he was one of the first devs to get jelly bean 4.1 out for the tour l.a last summer so and he's at it again 4.2 is a fully working too little fully working in quotes i say mean all the hardware works the for whatever reason the current build he has has the old leaked keyboard that has the the blue letters with the white with a white text though if you want the most up-to-date keyboard you gotta replace the keyboard no big deal you know it takes a second the flash a new keyboard or delete the APK and put a new one in reboot the big deal um and I I guess people are having force closes with daydream if they put it on the clock and I guess that has to deal with the AOSP desk clock versus the actual proprietary Google version them desk clock I don't know if that can be resolved or not but the the easy fix for that is to delete the desk clock APK the AOSP one and put in the proprietary google one the desk clock googled on a PK you put that in there and then it fixes that problem so two minor little inconveniences that can be fixed I don't know if the other two have those issues or not I actually having ran them I've seen people talk about em rom another one called pure jelly I don't know anything about those two I only went with a DAB that I was familiar with and it runs great I'll have any problems the location services and Google now works great all the apps run great it's you know it's not slow battery life is good I you know I'm I'm liking it you know for however long I need to play with it or indefinitely if GSM signal just doesn't love me and I have to give my nexus 4 back so yeah it's fine i'm happy with it for now eventually if I have to stay with it I'm probably gonna run bugless beast because you know what I I like bugless beast it's a basically stock um moving on to other 4.2 roms and then we'll get to the nexus 4 giveaway part 2 the acer iconia a500 my oh my old android tablet it was the first tablet to get jelly bean besides the Nexus 7 and the same developer random Blaine he's back he's at it again and he has a almost nearly working for point to build right now as of this morning and he may have fixed it since am but has it this morning there was no bluetooth no camera no audio and that's basically I think actually that's how it started out that's all started out when 4.1 came out I'm sure that's a list of things that aren't working mean those are all sort of expected to not be working you'll get that work in a couple days and you know what I can't wait to put it on my son actually uses that it that's his tablet so I can't wait to flash my son's tablet form it's kind of like a geek dad you know uh achievement unlocked for me oh and last but not least for root and rom and i can finally stop talking because i've been talking a lot um twerp it didn't support as well as a clockwork mod e i didn't support the new multiple user accounts with android 4.2 what it did is it android 4.2 moves the SD card into / SD cards you know / 04 the first user / 14 the second and so forth and so forth so since all your data is now located in SD card / 20 it had some issues couldn't didn't work properly you had to look for you had to poke around a little bit more to get stuff to work so uh not a big deal actually i mean i flash roms off without it you know even you don't need it but the compatibility issues have been resolved in three two point three point two is now available I'm i don't use clockworkmod I don't know if clockwork might have been updated Kosh is usually pretty good with that I would assume it is or will be extremely know most on google plus three was looking for a way to fix it just to an app update put a miniature the ISO impossible hotel manager in new recovery bill I don't know if they were able to come up with a way to do that though I suspect not just because I know what's involved with that kind of a change alright so so let's get to the part you're all waiting for scott anderson is going to talk he's going to tell us why his how he sleeps on bed that is covered in junk oh okay so I nexus 4 giveaway code part 2 how can i participate you're probably asking yourself well we have a given giveaway page it's actually the top article on android authority calm and basically use the widget to person participate in you have multiple chances to win multiple accounts to sign them with to give you multiple points towards or chances at winning and then also the contest ends in three days and this is an international giveaway by the way for all of you you as people thinking you're just going to be available nope anybody can can win it um and the secret code that you can put in is did a nexus back door back order order we we use as a long one word back order it's not if you type in nexus back door you will not you maggot another entry yes it will not help you win the prize Oh silly entry points Nexus back order and there are some 25,000 right now Nexus backorder will actually get you two points give you two points and yeah it's on the first article so if you guys won go there and check it out ends in three days okay so let's move on to some carrier and OEM news Sprint is letting up LTE networks in nine more cities basically that brings up the total 241 cities and 125 more to come um and then verizon is starting to preload the amazon appstore and ecosystem on android devices so hurting with the droid DNA which do you guys like this is in another form of bloatware yes it's bloat it's not as atrocious as some of the stuff they put on there in the past but it's good they're not putting the V CAST app store on and they're put another a story yeah we lost v cast and we gained five more apps to replace that one v cast at you know that may I guess know if we're better off or not because it's pre-loaded it's still preloaded with ton of apps in you if Verizon does that unlike all their upcoming devices I see that they're gonna get a lot of money and yeah yeah I'm sure of a run or I'm sure Emma's out of paying them a load for this yeah zzz Bryce is not hurting for money now either yeah they're just that Street here but verizon does love to make more money yeah I don't know that um the ability and Ice Cream Sandwich to disable these kind of applications isn't motivating them like well you know if you can figure this stuff out and we just preload some more stuff on there and they won't care yeah I still wish you could actually delete them how do to at least sprint has the decency to make their bloodline removable one can I want to make about my Nexus back door thing um I saw that somebody in the comments have to take it do not trim that there's no relevance to trim back well okay so Nexus back order is all one word there's no space not to worry about spaces Nexus back order all one word no spaces I'm actually going to ask darcy how many entries for nexus back door there are and you know if you want to if you want to create a mean with scott anderson and nexus back door i will share this feel free i'm i'm okay with that and actually i encourage you to share it i encourage you to do it scott ian is a nexus back door okay let's move on to other carrier news so verizon ads LTE to 20 new areas it now covers eighty percent of the population and not Derek and probably never Derek hey now right but you know in 6 months when I'm six months Verizon's gonna completely replace their LTE network 3g network with LTE they said so in six months I will have LTE at my house and I won't be able to use it if I'm on the nexus 4 yeah you bet you'll be on 2g GSM but but i'll be rocking 2g gsm so I'll be all right what that when they like your LTE up is gonna be the day that you leave them actually the day after you leave him that will be one that will be when they flip the switch on your arrow I'm not renewing my contract I call you can PA oh we're rolling that out with healthy tomorrow this is conveyed on here um and AT&T is adding LTE and eight new cities I know that Minneapolis where I am um got it and I was at work today look at her own you know in the AT&T tower looking around and they were like wow um it's it's fast because nobody is I mean there are a significant amount of ps3's there on it and I know at where I work I know 15 people that have them so a lot of people love that dog it's crazy but yeah there were given great speeds um anywhere from 15 to 30 megabits down so pretty fast for a big city to this for a bigger city yeah and then Qualcomm is now I'm worth more than intel and that's big news yeah yeah check Zilla just got surpassed by Qualcomm that is cool yeah it's good news to see I think intel has more of a fight in them than its perceived to be but oh I don't think they're going down without a fight but it or not I'm shooting past that I mean Qualcomm is really riding in the back of its radio more than its processors that's not but i think intel has a legitimate mobile strategy that we kind of underestimated times birthday they have a chance I've had a chance they certainly have more of a it's then then arm does getting into mobile or not armed that getting any servers yeah indeed I'm excited to see what they do to try to leapfrog if they can um it'd be kind of cool they did I'm up for innovation yeah is a they got a good road map so we'll find out and then in more exciting news Apple stock continues to slide down twenty-five percent from all-time high basically it started going down right before oh it was actually made out to the iphone went on sale was when the iphone 5 got released it started tank is typical apple huh yes Pam Allen stick in the stock peak and it actually came out and it's been downhill ever since yeah typically it peaks and then you know goes down but then comes back up but in this case it's been a steady roller coaster down and if I percent that's like a hundred and sixty six billion dollars in two months well you know in a lot of tech stocks are down Google's down over fifty bucks from what it was a month ago so sure it's not just Apple not a not a hundred and ten dollars though yeah that's true um and then another we're gonna say about the Apple oh yeah the apples given dividends of 2.5 billion um that's kind of interesting because that's what they got from Samsung so I think that was kind of funny yeah I mean typically they don't don't get a lot of defense so I'm sure that asleep they don't like three times in the past 17 years and I think the timing for this one I think was just a samsung we're giving away the money that you gave us you gotta pony come oh yeah okay let's move on to Dan's favorite section patent Boris naturally um so yeah HTC an apple have come to a cross-licensing agreement they lay down their arms against one another the details on it are still all very much a mystery different analysts are expecting it to be between six and eight dollars a device that's largely based on what HTC has said its annual cost is going to be for this agreement so six to eight dollars a device sounds like a lot but in the scheme of things it is not apple has been running around telling people that they are owed forty thirty to forty dollars per device so six to eight is a lot less than 30 to 40 per device and six to eight is actually very close to two point two five percent of the profit per device the same number that might that Google's Motorola has been asking for their patents so it seems like it's generally good that they've that they've resolved their problems but it's also looking like Apple capitulated for a lot less than what they've been asking everybody else for ah the flip side to that is Samsung is apparently completely unwilling to settle with that full on similar terms um I can't blame them though because all indications thus far have been that Apple is refusing to budge from the thirty to forty dollar mark for samsung um so why they did for HTC I don't know uh James HTC is her group because the science they're trying to kill the weak link here you know yeah they're giving a better deal to the weak link because they're hurting and then they know that they will take what they can get in order to have some security and it's kind of sad but that's what they're doing and they're preying on the weak they are hiding the wounded and they're tackling them I would love to see HTC see a rebound based upon the fact that they can pretty much run rampant now with innovation and not have to worry about exactly not not that Microsoft doesn't do the same but Microsoft generally just settles for licensing it's nice it's almost worth six to eight dollars a device just to shut Apple up yeah abbs I have to worry about import bans and not worry about stepping on small really insignificant patents and have your phone device launched completely held back for something that small yeah there is a 10-year license agreement and it is ongoing so any new patent that either company adds in the next ten years is covered so they don't have to worry about Apple inventing something tomorrow are getting some patent granted to them next week on something that they obviously didn't invent just now HTC doesn't have to worry about it so for the price that they're paying for this $68 device is probably worth it just to not have to deal with it yeah they're probably playing there's no telling what their pros and what okay knowledge device to fight yeah the legal fees are ridiculous yeah so Samsung while they're unwilling to settle they also we had heard jacked up the prices of their processors that they billed for Apple there's a lot of speculation that this was a retaliatory move by Samsung uh they're their executives come out and denied that they said more or less this was a completely scheduled hike like yes we did hike the prices but that's what the contract said we were going to do and we get it exactly when the contract said we were going to do it so Apple dever comments on their agreements with hardware vendors so we aren't going to get a whole lot more detail out of this um the fact that Apple hasn't been complaining loudly about it suggests that this probably was just what the contract said it's interesting that the twenty percent hike you know it's just that's a big it's a big hike I mean it's a big increase I mean I would suspect that part of that was factored in because Samsung spent a lot of money building a brand new fabrication facility more or less for Apple this is the cost of materials the raw materials to get this i would love to I would love to think that they were secretly being retaliatory toward Apple just burst upon but I just don't think that's the case I mean the cost to produce anything related to well like electronic components in general Silicon and metal prices have just gone through the roof absolutely you have to and that's been over the last decade they've just been gradually increasing so you can't expect them to keep it at the same price it's not a type of industry that's getting more that much more efficient with his calls over years to be able to compensate for that plus these devices keep getting better and these chips keep getting better and as they get better part of that is getting a lot more complex and a lot more difficult to physically build got a quad we got quad core chips right it's a smaller process or still producing the metal it's all installer it's it's expensive to make them so I'm not at all surprised by the idea that I was a contractual increase um but in in other schadenfreude news the UK judges that had ordered Apple to put up their apology and then ordered Apple to take down and replace their apology issued a good basically pitch slapped to Apple they're making apple cover all of Samsung's expenses um going a little bit above and beyond just typically when you lose a court case you're gonna have to cover your opponent's legal fees this is going a little bit above and beyond that covering things that aren't normally included with legal fees basically all of their expenses all the bills for all the Samsung witnesses and everybody that testify all they're like reimbursement fees and hotel fees the whole nine so Apple is gonna make it's certainly not a billion-dollar you know court decision but in what should have been hey you know coast an apology wash your hands walk away and you know live to fight another day this is turning into an actual drain on Apple resources so I'm just speaking Apple we have a question in the comments about some apple news here and we have a few minutes here to wrap up so but let's uh let's reflect on the recent rumored news that the iPhone 5 is going to begin though I saw iPhone 5s is going to begin production very shortly if not already now remember the iphone 5 just came out in September so so what do you think of that I think that should is struggling to produce enough iphone 5s right now that they can't possibly start building the iphone 5s in quantity it's time to wake up Derek why is it that what is it what is it what is it indicating for Apple that they would be that desperate that they feel like they need to adopt a six-month release cycle it's the onslaught of Android devices that come out every other week and they're realizing that once a year is not cutting it and they cannot unless they innovate their platform a lot they can't you know leapfrog or stay on top with hardware for more than a couple of weeks if that well the devices that they put out have consistently been behind dating all the way back to the iphone 4 vs evo 4g hilarious youtube video really like their hard work has been behind for a while but the only thing advantage was that they've had over the years has been like the graphics processors yep everything else they've been pretty much and sometimes rightfully so like with LTE and but on the other hand you know felt like they're even it doesn't cost nearly as much to even make an iphone 5 because it doesn't have an NFC radio it doesn't have a lot of other hardware features are making like a ridiculous profit margin yeah that's it's a hundred eighty dollars to produce that you're selling them for our 750 day it made it that's us you know this best be on profitable and approaching ludicrous and it you know I if they were to speed up the release cycles it's telling you that they're getting desperate um yeah I don't think that they'll necessarily put out a 5s that soon but if they did they really don't have a lot of time to improve on software by that point it's kind of like you look at the ipad 3 vs 4 and they could do some minor hardware guards but the people are already pissed off of that you know with me they're gonna add NFC you know i don't i don't think i have a way to really monetize it efficiently they i think i've invested too much into the past book and their technology and you hear all these different types of you know airlines that Arjun asking don't you remember the patents from a few weeks back that Apple had for NFC where they were going to use a mobile device on us that was it that was in air plant airports or subways you and I very well know just because you have a packet patent does not mean that you're going to use it it means that you are protected and you have something you know what I mean yeah except a lot it's a hit or miss they could they could or could not use it applicants in a very troll-like manner where it has absolutely no intention of ever using them for something like that it's gonna build it just goes back in the day HP was patenting something every day I understand that I mean that's the apples pending stuff for things along the lines of google glasses and yeah i don't i don't see where they have any kind of ecosystem to produce anything worth of though scram they're selling now the oakley goggles that have the head-up display that's powered by android right there on the apple website and is constantly a nice little better that is hilarious they're slowing android on the apple website but I and a machine also makes a good point on google+ that uh the iPad Mini is kind of a cry for we need to compete everywhere but we can't because there's so many there's such a big diversity with devices we covered that a few weeks ago on the show how it was this is a glue this whole advice there there this year from the iphone 5 and ipad mini was their first line up of reactionary devices i agree with that a nutshell okay so for all of you guys are listening and watching right now if you guys want to join in the conversation if you were watching us on youtube you can join in the conversation on google+ we also do see the comments from youtube but most of the majority of the conversation goes on on google+ just android authority on google+ page on comments whatever on there you can also find us on soundcloud if you want just want 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