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welcome to android authority on air the original android hangout show on google+ I'm Derek Ross and I'm Scott Anderson this week we're joined with returning guest dan Charlton and returning gasps Johnathan Franklin and returning guest Jeff Ribeiro and also Joshua munos from android authority welcome guys okay so guys glad to have you here so so this week on the show we're going to talk a little bit about the Android ecosystem here and begin ten seconds into it we're gonna edit that out so okay so you didn't see any of that people are just joining right now anyways alright so welcome to android authority on air that original hangout show for android on google+ I'm Derek Ross and I'm Scott Anderson and this week we're joined by returning guest dan Charlton returning guest Jeff Ribeiro and returning guest Johnathan Franklin we're also joined by Joshua munos from android authority welcome guys hey made it through that one good okay so so this week we have a few things to talk about besides some giveaways you heard maybe some details and some Nexus to health industry google play music in some play store updates and so forth we're gonna talk about some other apps such as ingress which is an incredibly addicting and fun augmented reality game we're also going to talk about some devices such as the HTC droid DNA its bootloader being unlocked recently and in the nexus 4 has working LTE for some of you interesting over root and rom and we're going to hit up some CM 10.1 information and then Dan's going to come in and hit hard on patent wars and tell us a little bit about you know HTC's deal with apple with the you know proposed six to ten dollars per device and Samsung's doing some fun stuff too with carrier news 8 t-mobile is continuing to HP SAR hspa+ all the things unless you're me and I said we're going to get into the nexus 10 giveaway in ingress invites later on the show so we're a little bit late this week / supposed to be on Thursday but as all you know thursday was it was Thanksgiving here in the US so uh as you guys thanksgiving Deanna actually I met damn it for the first time earlier today on his way home from from Thanksgiving he was traveling to DC and on his way home through PA I took about an hour drive to meet him this morning I was a lot of fun little bit of Android geeking out over some quiznos yeah yeah it's nice good lunch finally you know actually get you in person sit around talking about it I'm sure hey I know we talked about so rarely yeah so what's a Jeff how was your thanksgiving yours good work no dealing with family yeah yeah how about you John a little not well and not outside the normal I mean I'm my family's about 30 minutes away from ease go see the little family he's a little bit of bird and nothing well as good a little bit bird yeah hurt in there No so it's a Josh how was your thanksgiving it was good a really interesting thing talking about meeting another android fanatic i was at in plano texas hanging out with some old high school buds and i went to go pick up nexus 4 from t-mobile the guy ringing me out recognize me from google plus you know i never met each other yeah James Jody Barnes and he just looks me go Oh Joey's Jody's actually one of our friends Joey right now that's yeah I met Jody at the big Android BBQ with John a few weeks back yeah Jody's one of our buddies that yeah it was a trip I was like I'm from Austin I'm a teacher he goes are you on google+ I go yeah I am because you're uh you're Josh I'm when you assess like uh yes he's a stalker it's cool that's that's pretty awesome said Jodi usually turns into the show so he's probably watching right now very cool yeah and then Scott how about a but up north there anything exciting thanksgiving i went down south to Iowa for a couple days I had a good time with the family the Android numbers in relatives is growing so I oh I OS devices are definitely you know some people of the five but uh Android devices are growing and we had a lot of talk about it's those fun you know my two little cousins were walking around their iPads and I was there with with my nexus 4 and my uncle had a kindle fire and we were fine using the Wi-Fi there but my little cousins like we can't go Wi-Fi they came up to me they're they're older cousin to help them out I looked at as a consequence an iOS device and I said Uncle Jim you know how house your house your android device go my spot you know it was a big laugh at house nice guy and helped milk humorously cut a couple of close friends of mine and family have converted from iOS to Android this year keep fighting the good fight you know okay by me as I am I am outnumbered probably ten to one right word it's like me to other band directors and all of our private lesson teachers everybody uses apple and every time I start talking about Android they go oh um so when are you going to get an iphone like normal people never just remember just remember real almost as if you soft market yeah alright so let's get into into the meat of the show here so this goddess I'm a Android ecosystem information yeah google play music google basically reached a deal with armonia i think that's how you spell it or say it on a european publishing group and this adds 5.5 million songs to the Play Store and what's really big about this is Google's not really taking it country by country um they're trying to do this all in one big swoop which in the future I hope it continues to be like this but it'll be a little bit more delayed but they got it up and running in 35 different countries which is awesome and I'm excited about that yeah yeah google is sort of trying to change the paradigm in the music industry where they're trying this sort of method it we're going to license your music period but like no further qualifications on that we're licensing it to sell it all around the world because we work and you know we're business all around the world where is everybody else that does online sales like this Amazon Apple all of that could piece it together country by country it's it's a lot of hassle just to get the licenses in place to be able to sell all the music let alone actually running the store look at how long it took for Spotify to come to America because of having to make that was nine years in cali a while and I wonder what at what point google said hey we should really just attack everything as opposed to you know label by label we got our free you know I'm sure Google doesn't doesn't seek out a recording industry recording studio to to not bring into the Play Store now they gotta reach a deal to you know I mean it ultimately they want to have the best content system the best ecosystem available it's only a matter of dollars and cents and in coming up with the right contract I'm sure yeah especially coming into it as late in the game technically speaking as they did you know and you had iTunes totally turned the music industry on its head when it came out and finally somebody's trying to like you said change of paradigm further so they can be you know on top of the heap yet again because they've got a lot of room to make up they've got a lot of ground that they need to catch up to especially against amazon and itunes and there's no moving on we gotta kind of a tear down by the android police they did a teardown of the google play store the APK and it looks like we're going to have to be required to have a Google+ account to do app reviews um a couple things i like about this no more anonymous reviews actually i mean some people like anonymous reviews other people don't because they can actually see who did the review and they can actually you know it means something as opposed to a whole bunch of people spamming and just go in one star 1 star things like that i'm pretty excited about this i mean this is a big push for Google+ what are you guys think from a developer aspect it means you can actually follow up with that guy had color did something negative follow up with that person and say hey look you know I did changes or what can we do to to find out what your problem is or talk to person through how to get some logs about it so good developers means to actually get some real meaningful feedback balance plus you have to have a facebook account to comment on all kinds of crap all over the internet so i really don't see a problem with this and you know what i think it's going to be great for if i actually like a nap really well i can just share a little review feedback in directly with my circles on google+ versus having to go write a separate review elsewhere you know so further real quick and dirty hey I like this for these reasons you know don't need a full-blown blog article about yeah I think that's great I think it's a I think it's a step in the right direction and you know it cuts down on anonymous spam comments or unhelpful comments you know if only we could do away with some of those on YouTube you know I think the world is our place yeah you're not just the the sort of the anonymous anyone's but the you know the app maker who fills out 47 review saying how awesome the app is I would be able to do that either I think this is great just cuz you know they haven't used google plus for a really long time you know when you get a new phone and it asks you sign up for google plus it's important that google finally tries to tie all the services truly together like we just saw them roll out where you can invite or share a nap so people can install it straight from your stream requiring you to have Google+ to review and comment things like that only further pushes their their social aspect which is something that a lot of people you know despite having met a guy that I've never met in real life in a city that I never go to all of my other friends still say 0 google+ is a failed service and I just disagree with that on merit and so the more that they can get people to use the ecosystem the better it's going to benefit them and then hopefully the network users as well so you can finally start seeing some real uptick in involvement and stuff like that yeah um also moving on we got some black friday deals over the weekend basically they're ongoing I don't know when they're gonna end but uh officesuite pro usually 1499 is 699 quickoffice pro is 1499 it's now 99 cents swiftkey for phone or tablet it's usually 399 and it's 99 cents groove IP is 499 ants on sale for 249 reddit sync pro is two dollars and it's on sale for one dollar and there are a lot of apps there are also big deals on money off of in-app purchases which is kind of nice if you guys do in app purchases I don't but I'm actually finally you bought the the full version of groove IP due to the sale I've I've also used the free lite version payment yeah but it wasn't you know it was down to 250 you know from five bucks I figured why not I mean there's there's probably another probably hundred apps out there that are only how many there's so many games and you know productivity apps as well it's got a really look for them yeah I think they also have discounts on books movies and music in the Play Store yeah they got some really good deals on also there's a couple of TV seasons TV show seasons that are ten dollars on fifth seasons which is actually pretty good um like there's eighty percent off books and music there are some really good deals too so let's talk about ingress you're probably here for ingress ingress uh recently launched and if you don't know what it is real quick and dirty virgin is it's a augmented reality game and there is a high demand for you know it's gone you know almost viral I think especially on google+ for the past week it's been the number one or at least the top five trending topic every single day all day long like people are sharing ingress information they're asking for invites they're asking for codes there you know sharing tips and tricks and people are forming their own little like social pockets of resistance or enlightened around the world but so so what what is real quick um it's an augmented reality game so that means you hold your your phone out in front of you and you see something on your phone that you don't see with with with your eye and in real life so you look on your phone and you see little dots of energy you see portals you see fields that people created but obviously the other they're not really there or if you or if you buy into the role playing enough you know they are there is a lot of people are really getting heavily involved in it and that's awesome I think that's very cool so anyways CERN did some stuff and with a large hadron collider and all sorts of weird funky stuff happened to now there's new energy particles coming all over the world and there's portals appearing you know by places of interest landmarks post office part of our Mina's things like that museums and where these portals are people go and capture the portal they drop down devices to make it their own and then you link other portals together and create big fields basically to try to harness the minds that are maybe being corrupted maybe not that's a part of part of the game the one group of people called the enlightened think that this new energy is good and it's the next you know its evolutionary human race it's good for the humans and the resistance says hold on wait a second this has changed in humanity you know we don't want to do this so you choose a faction choose a side and it's a global game that is you know real time you can chat with people in your region and your and your locally and in work with people you really have to work with people locally especially when you start to grow your your fields your your grid when you want to take over more territory you have to work with people in the next town over you know the next region over as your you know portals get bigger and bigger so it's fun to play um I think Jeff is playing it right now or somebody or somebodies playing better job ended up just I just heard Josh get some XM's he's leveling right now yeah god but yeah it's fun um and you know what it's gonna get you some exercise or spend gas depending on which way you do it you know but you know you're not really allowed to drive and look at your phone it's legal a lot of states yeah so uh get caught so right now it's invite only you can request an invite from anger scom you can you know maybe wait a week or so or more depending on you know how many people are signing up for this game some people are getting invites early some people are still waiting and waiting and waiting other people are getting very creative and asking for invites and special ways on google+ in other they're they're getting recognized by Googlers that are handing out invites and you know they're making a copies artwork or there are cool graphic or they're telling a neat story to invoke interest in the game and in various Googlers are then giving them invites for for their participation and also for helping the hashtag continue to trend so so they're getting invites that way but if you aren't lucky enough if you're not talented enough to do artwork you're not creative enough to we're just lazy we have the solution for you we have a handful codes to give away for ingress we're going to give away to this week and we're going away to next week and maybe to the week after or so we're keep tuning in to the show if you don't win tonight so I'm gonna defer to Jeff here my buddy that is going to hook you guys up with the first code now later in the show we're going to give away another code so if you don't win this code now don't worry keep watching keep paying attention you might want to open up your ingress app now you might want to get to the section where it says enter your passcode and we'll give you a few seconds you like I said if you don't win this code we're gonna later in the show we're going to give you another chance to win your ingress invite and then if you do win please let us know let us know in the comments here on YouTube if you're watching there if you're watching all hopefully on Google+ we can interact with you let us know there that you won the code and how awesome Jeff is and all that good stuff so so Jeff we ready ready alright so so what so so take take over to take control dry for a second alright so basically I'm going to read out the coat and the first one to successfully enter it wins it um so how long is the code what's that how long is the code Cody is way seven characters long oh the suspense is killing me okay son to the first code is is a case sensitive it's not case-sensitive you can enter it does alphanumeric it's alphanumeric i'm gonna read out letters like alpha for a Bravo for be um so I'm not gonna read them out just like that so first code is whiskey bravo kilo-alpha x-ray Victor Charlie Juliet have at it do do do not do so uh any chance you'll get a code that's like 12 to 4 1 2 3 4 have we exhausted all those options already yeah those codes have went away the first day I'll tell you what uh what uh there was a thread on google+ about a week ago where codes are being given out and man to fight fight for those codes was tough I I tried all night long and then get one but I eventually got one from sharing it an android with the ingress logo on his on his chest and and I i guess i was craving hough to get fingers invite i've been playing ever since all right so while we're waiting uh guys are guys are requesting it to be repeated alright repeater i said just also do it again in case you missed it is whiskey bravo kilo-alpha x-ray Victor Charlie Juliet that's Juliette with a J crap I thought I was doing it with an R oh that's a great comment what is in ingress it what are it is an ingress so alright so either one the code is bad or you're not you're not typing it incorrectly or Jeff messed up which it could be Jeff it could be jeff's full yes I don't think it's Jeff oh my god yeah ok if it's uh if it's already used up I mean yeah its shape is it does not work for you then somebody already got it some money oh yeah it's it's a one-time code so one person out there one viewer is going to get the code it's gonna be the first one who enters it so chances are somebody already snagged because that was a brand new code that has never been used so congrats to the be lucky winner let us know you are so weak bursa it let us know you are so we can high-five you virtually enjoy the resistance because it's situation join you evil aura stones haha or enlightenment you know whatever if you do another giveaway later it's nice yeah yeah so I so continuing on let's talk about another app here so uh sign engine mods Apollo music app was released to the Play Store beginning of the week last week or this week I'm sorry on monday is in the Apollo app is cyanogenmod open source music app and up until recently it was only available through cyanogenmod and they said well you know this app is awesome it should be available to anybody they don't have to root their phone to be able to use it they don't have to be running a CM rom to use it let's make it available to the Play Store so they did and it was a hit and then it was removed later in the week and the developer released a statement saying hey just to let those if you notice that the Apollo and the Apollo plus a poor no longer available in the Play Store musicmatch filed a complaint and had them removed for alleged copyright infringement due to the way that Apollo fetches song lyrics the developers currently says he's looking into the best way to handle this and he'll try to get it back up there as soon as possible that's only knows for now so hopefully he can get that resolved and get it back up there was nice to have a nice you know open source music Apple they're available for people to get that aren't rock and CM currently can I ask something real quick yeah this is just just to you guys do any of you use music locally on your phone or does everybody stream Pandora Google Play sometimes I cash it um like depending on if i want to or not but i have about three albums or the equivalent to that many songs cached on my phone i still consider that cloud based up yeah cuz it's cash from for me the big thing is I really like Apollo and I like how it looks and I like how it functions and i've been using see him for a while but if Google's never going to open up a music API then then that makes it dead on arrival for me makes Apollo yes I agree completely well um I hope it doesn't this is the unofficial music API that allows you but yea I'd love to see something Google just go and get up I used the app a few times when it first came out and CM roms like both of our ICS c n9 i guess there's one when it first came out and I used it then for a little bit though that's cool but wait a second I have no music locally anymore it's all on haha through google music and then since then I've been removing the CM bloatware as i like to call it every single time i flash new nightly I'd go in the first thing I did was remove Apollo the second thing I removed with browser and the second thing i removed was Trey vishay I didn't want those apps and I'll use them so i deleted them every time i flashed new night um it's a great app but it's useless to me like you said josh i have all my music in the cloud but through google so that's it's no point of you having it yeah so they'll asleep but you know not everybody has clap yeah maybe they live in an area with edge only and they need to download all of their their music locally edges player to stream music you know what then it was on the way home today from from breezewood until i lost service you want the next five of course no service is not sufficient to stay just lost I lost service and you want five or six songs played it was great I loved it and I'm sufficient to stream it but then i looked at my galaxy nexus beside me and I and I looked at my speed test on the 4g LTE that got 18 you know Meg down and I looked at my nexus 4 in the other hand that had zero service and a little part of me died is this but that's a ranch relay didn't show if we have dinner yeah it's just interesting to be like I I totally agree with what you're saying but like if we look at sample sizes and people who only use music locally who are also using cm10 so they can use Apollo like I feel like streaming in google music google play music is is kind of a power user thing which is also kind of a what a person who flashes does so yeah I kind of get torn up like well if you're using music local you're probably not using google play music anyways you probably still using cents on your phone or something like that alright so one last app here then we'll move on to some more exciting stuff if you are an Amazon shopper and you wanted a better tablet experience now you have that the Amazon mobile app it was updated to a really nice tablet UI actually it makes shopping easier if you wanted to use the tablet UI for for shopping there you go so uh so Scott tell us about some devices some interesting information I just proposed reduction what somebody on YouTube does say that they nab the code no I apologize in advance I butcher this name looks like oh hey kale um we'll just say okay actually the initials are okay so congrats okay um via we are glad we're glad you want o + watchers who aren't seeing somebody in the comments so it really did clay that it wasn't a fake code with rigorous the Amazon mobile I complained about it and two days later they change it so you know I move us forward guys thank you Scott you're very appreciative somebody has to and I'm glad you took that role your job is not even though Google would prefer that you used google shopper squad sorry nah you keep you know doing things like that you're gonna redeem yourself from that Nexus back door thing the other week oh we're talking about like a blacked out alright so let's talk about some devices okay Galaxy Nexus ya q android for dot to November 20th began rolling out over the air and you can also manually download it as a factory much for the OTA update you can own you can apply that VA TB side load if you didn't get it yet you know and you're waiting to get it ok and then with regards to LTE that was rumored for a long time the nexus 4 does have some type of LTE support it supports LTE on AWS Canadian LTT providers right now are able to get it some carriers in south and Latin America and t-mobile a thousand thirteen metro pcs and Verizon um also AT&T there are there are a couple markets I believe that they are running that uh the Bell I think they were behind on rolling out AWS there and then they failed to buy a tmobile and had to pay them five billion dollars and a crapload of AWS spectrum right which is all that just by AT&T is not doing anything with the remaining AWS mobile is going to put their LTE there a metro pcs already has ltd there but alongside a cdma backbone that's not gonna help you with the nexus 4 and horizon has some that they may or may not use to put LTE on down the road um but again you've got to see the my problem and they have no like immediate plans to use that spectrum so so the big thing about this is is we slow in in the eye fix a teardown is that it was lacking a amplifier so how how how well does it actually work I wonder work I wonder do you have to have great signal for it to work if you think so if you move outside of the four-bar range let's say and you're down to like the one bar range is it going to be 0 service you know what I mean like how well is it that's definitely a frame the hell out of your battery oh yeah yeah anything also doesn't have a date I would be a lie fa it might be a long jig it does have a dedicated antenna for it either so it's kind of bleaching around the hspa+ that's an essay bad and you God also remember which I'm sure it doesn't really affect too many people watching this but it's a it's actually illegal to do since it's not a ratified banda unity to use regulators actually care about that but no no no I'm not saying they're gonna come knock on your door or anything in Canada not me I don't think any Mounties are gonna come in a knock on your door but listen we're doing you know we were doing tomorrow there's some some frequency scans here we noticed an unregistered device in the Vista your house was you know using a an LTE service from an unknown young to my room yeah I don't think that's gonna happen but yeah as we're saying yeah I mean your battery's gonna probably suffer and you I'm just assuming you move far enough away from the from the tower and you know you're not gonna yeah yeah you're not gonna you're gonna lose service no obviously I don't know this and matches my assumption I could be talking out my but not talking about do not yours and see how long your battery lasts well first I got to go visit cali wsl TV around now I wonder um would carriers at all be able to sense that you're doing it Oh or it I mean you by the data pole I guess they could whoa this is pulling way faster than our typical Network polls um it'd be difficult for them to isolate that if they weren't looking for it okay um nexus 4 went on sale on tmobile their webpage and what yeah and it sold out hours after the google play store yes and so so Google said hey we don't have it for sale but we know somebody who does and they link to it and then deep-fried butter took the f5 button took over and t-mobile skoda they are the really bizarre thing I don't know what the status was of their online sales but like here in Austin only two stores even got inventory on the launch day so I mean it kind of calls into question like that inventory it sounds like they did not anticipate the demand but I mean yeah what I called this this t-mobile place in Frisco and said hey do you guys have any in stock and they actually said yes I said well can you hold one for me i'll be there in 15 minutes and I said well or selling out pretty quick so you need to get here immediately yeah it's somebody's gonna buy it in 15 minutes before I can get there look this is ridiculous so one of the users in the comments just said they heard i fix it was wrong and the amplifier was actually there under the heatsink OLG actually came out and said that it's missing the filter and the amplifier so I'm not sure if that's accurate it's no it is definitely not there it's not hidden under they take it all they didn't put it in because it's expensive and you know you got to lose some things like an expensive amplifier if you want to sell at three hundred dollar device and you know the in the whole reason that it does have this limited support is because it's virtually the same bored it's in the optimus G they always so if you're going to stamp out boards you're not going to make it you're trying to save money you're not going to give a whole new schematics only design you're going to use one that but the least amount of changes as possible to save money that's that's most likely what happened or you can go there conspiracy theory and say in a year from now you'll be able to use it on tmobile you know I would be honest put on your tinfoil hats right now you know the waiting game begins again um HTC droid DNA or the dicks dicks DLX um Josh we refer to it as the HTC dicks for the longest time the Dei acts the DLX you know I said we have so many acronyms for that's crazy um let it was unlocked prior to its release the unlocker was pulled at the device launched and now it is community unlocked now so basically the unlock that's out there for it you know you through some Android hackery it you can fake it to be a different device basically you doin aight you do you do anything you do a some android hacker ethos may t be command a TB restore and you can then trick the device into being able to be unlocked through it doesn't actually say on the HTC dev com it doesn't say you know droid DNA it says uh when other unsupported devices right it can now be unlocked through the other end okay okay so it's similar to what they did with the AT&T one x where they spoofed it into being a rogers 1x and then unlock it that way right i think that's still possible like HTC hasn't shut that down uh I like shutting down SS yet you thought it back door bitch slap at the carriers that could be true yeah so we actually have a comment talk about the samsung galaxy s4 eight-core processor that's coming out because oh so odd we have that actually slated but uh coming up right now quince identity obsidian what Dan being our resident hardware guru what do you think about that rumor yeah i mean it's it's people say eight core cpu and you think oh my god a course that's fantastic the part that you don't notice what that is that's eight cores in a big little formation so it's two clusters of four cores they're not simultaneously active it's one relatively lower power and less by which i made more power efficient but less actually powerful quad-core ARM processor that handles menial tasks and then when you need actual like of it hands up to a quad-core cortex a15 processor this has a samsung is planning to announce the chip in the fall by which they're saying we're gonna have like the spec together and be ready to you know kind of talk about how awesome is going to be not ready to like show it off in a you know test device review talk about how awesome it's gonna be down the road so people wondering about this being in the s4 not even a remote chance in hell if i don't know real thing I would think I'm tablet before phone yet the only cortex a15 that they can build it all right now is in the nexus 10 had the new Chromebook and it's in those devices and not phones because they can't get the powerful print loan out to put it in phones and that's not going to change anytime soon adding two more cores and then for more on top of that isn't going to fix that problem for them and make that more phone friendly though they'll target these these big little a core processors for tablets and for servers probably couldn't the diffuse like last year's course and potato them together yeah I guess they weren't as efficient as the ones are now oh yeah just yeah so the smaller set of course would not even be comparable to like a 9 the sort of previous generation it's a small one i think it's a 5 actually which is a smaller in terms of power and output processor but it's a good you know sort of well refined specification that's very efficient and used in a lot of other things it's just didn't be a pretty similar thing to what in videos doing with the Tegra 3 right now it is similar in concept yes so the big.little architecture kind of stay after stud I mean that the quorum stills aren't inherently efficient but it's a race to idle configuration which that you get the task done you drop down to the low power footprint quicker and then switch to the lower power processor to Eidolon so those of you that didn't get a nexus 10 um it's actually available in play store right now the 16 gig and 32 gig became available the other day I thought you said Nexus 4 and I was about to go there no but uh they speak indexes for the winner was announced earlier in the week for the the Tyler Idol members name and write it down Tyler something so congrats Tyler something on winning the nexus 4 is it Tyler realizing him from fight club yeah but so said yeah so he won the device and speaking of giveaways and so forth we're gonna get to that nexus 10 giveaway details here in a little bit but first let's talk about some carrier information dan so t-mobile as you mentioned is spreading their hspa+ on the iPhone friendly pcs fans that's the 1900 megahertz I until recently t-mobile has just had edge on this and so I phone users who are skirting away from AT&T and going to tmobile have been pretty much just stuck on that that particular band what parole the edge Dan I mean nothing from you all up your end of that sort of thing it's but they have been working to roll out hspa+ and this is the same dual channel 42 mega bed that they have on their AWS spectrum so they've been working to spread that which means that iphones on their network will be capable of much much faster data speeds than iphones without LTE on agencies network um so they're adding another ten metro areas mostly in California Arizona and Florida and they're also planning a lot more to come soon including I think Los Angeles and Chicago and New York where basically what they're doing is letting out the hspa+ and then doing a lot of testing and then making sure they're ready to actually say it's official and then making a press release about it so people right now in New York and LA and Chicago and a lot of other places are probably already getting these pastors beings so great for them I mean it's still not LTE but it's gonna put tmobile in much stronger position when they go to aldi and then everything everywhere the t-mobile UK and I think it's orange a sort of joint venture the one and only LTE carrier in the UK right now they finally gone live with their LTE and we finally got some actual speed test back out of it let's be comparable to about where verizon's wasn't watch where you're getting peaks in the mid 20s and higher ah so it's it's definitely about double the speed of the hspa+ carriers in the UK right now so I can you Jonas is not as fast as wet everything everywhere is saying it's going to be and it's still pretty patchy so where you get coverage from it it's pretty good but there's still a lot of places where you just don't get there's still a lot of places in the UK where they're only getting edge yeah I mean that's true too people are probably surprised with how well it's doing indoors because it is on a higher frequency so it should theoretically it should not penetrate walls as easily as a lower frequency like we're safer eisner 18 tease ltd ends but they've been getting really really great test results indoors so good for the UK and so yeah in addition to the ingress good ways we're also giving away a code for nexus 10 Scott's going to talk about that giveaway hopefully I don't butcher this time oh we made it a code that you could not mess up this time just ok just let you guys know the code is not back door um and we use a doc to look over the notes for the show and the code is in size 64 font oh did you did you make it bigger sake you wouldn't mess it up alright so was it so uh ok so we're giving away a Galaxy Nexus 10 Nexus 10 we're not giving away in that galaxies oh my god i butchered every single time calm down calm down okay nexus 10 give it away internationally so everybody can join in on the fun it is a gigabyte nexus 10 wondering yes it's a system where we're gonna revoke your contest I agree privileges your content privileges all right so anyways Scott okay so how you enter is on the website on the top an authority com I'm from the top there's the article out the next ten and if you scroll on the bottom there's a rafflecopter and you can get points I doing certain things 14 points in total doing things like tweeting about the contest subscribing to the YouTube page following them on google+ plus one in the page you can actually get two chances to win from using the code that we're going to give away here tonight and then another two chances to win from the code will go away next week and is it going to be a completely different code so don't enter it twice it won't count okay so holding it lots and lots of chances to wet ok so the code for this week is going to be ingress i ng r e SS ok good job Scott alright so the code is ingress for the 16 gig Nexus 10 giveaway on let's continue on here for for routing and ramen this week I said we had some sneak peek information from the CM team over the past few days and they've been posting on google+ and I teasing you know what what they have done so far so the theme engine for 10.1 which is Android 4.2 has been updated and it's up and running and we have seen screenshots for the galaxy tab to the galaxy s the i 9000 the galaxy w the Sprint Galaxy Nexus so sprint galaxy nexus users you haven't been forgotten about the transformer prime the epic 4g it's still kickin the galaxy tab 10.1 and we also saw a screenshot for the galaxy s2 running cm 10.1 so those devices obviously there's going to be plenty plenty more running cm 10.1 but right now we've seen leaks for those so as well you know keep us interested is it just me or does CM seem to have something of a samsung bias since I wonder what is one of their developers went to work for sams haha yeah I think bootloaders help to a tail yeah I definitely but you don't see the the nexus 4 you don't see so yeah but well obviously the next ever gonna work you know obviously the galaxy Nexus is going to work you know they're posting devices that don't normally get a lot of love right away that's at least what I think we keep our way o SP for nexus for yet right father they're merging is it totally in well just have the prop files which you can rip off the device you can just rip them off the device yeah I mean you can do it wrong without you know without the binaries people were already doing it stop stop doing that stop ruining the device right and so uh that's really it for reading and ramen this week I mean I you know apps have been updated to Ted unlock the bootloader if you're a point-and-click type person and you know you need to point and click to unlock your bootloader on the Nexus 10 or the Nexus 4 and you need to put a custom recovery on it you don't know how apps have been updated this past week fully working with custom recovery and all that good stuff but really yeah not nothing major this week in my opinion so what sort of sicken it these cribs if anybody wants to Tevin a lot i'm on to google drive for you Oh in it and it d arnot dot T both okay alright so let's talk about some uh some carrier news dan also known as Dan's whiny time you ain't Pat Morris yeah um so more details about the HTC Apple licensing agreement have come out for one thing HT n seek very much vehemently denied the idea that they're paying six to eight dollars per device and suggested that that was outrageous and ridiculous so they're definitely paying something less than that we still don't know what that amount kids there was also recently an article on foss patents that said that as part of that agreement both parties were giving up all their claims against each other with prejudice and that is not true HTC is giving up all their claims with prejudice which means basically HTC is backing out of all of their claims against Apple without leave to file them again later in contrast apple is releasing their claims without prejudice so if Apple chooses to they can decide to sue HTC again for all the same stuff again later so you know that's probably something that HTC decided to just eat because they're getting it you know a licensing agreement that pretty much prevents them from getting sued in that fashion and they're getting it for less than six to eight dollars to device Soho considering Apple is asking 30 to 40 for these patents sounds like HTC is getting away with a steal on this um more on that same agreement though Samsung is going to get to see an unredacted copy complete with all of the dollar amounts and the specific patents that are included they've seen a redacted version previously that was cut down by Apple to a whopping 33 words the entire agreement 33 words were not blacked out ah but Apple has been claiming that not only do they need the 1 billion dollars that the jury awarded that they need the judge to triple those damages and they need the judge to ban all of Samsung's devices they've been saying that they need all of these things because just the money monetary damages aren't enough to make us whole because we would we have would never ever ever dream of licensing these patents they're too important to us and the day after they filed that the news broke that they'd signed this licensing agreement with HTC so pretty clearly they are willing to license those things and that really really undermines their entire argument for banning import of Samsung's devices after the big you know their big loss so that's that's not shaping up good for Apple um and then in sampling an apples other case in California both parties are trying to add a bunch of more devices into it we saw recently Apple was able to add the the jelly gain running Galaxy Nexus they're now trying to add the jelly bean running galaxy s3 along with the new to the sgs3 mini and the tab too I mean while Samsung forget to add the ipad mini and the new new ipad so basically every mobile device that Apple makes is is added on their side and just about every mobile device that samsung cells in the u.s. is on their list is that the official title the new new iPad the iPad Mini right didn't have no they are smaller just the new I've had again the smaller I Paul laundry name like five yeah yeah starting to sound like an Android device now you don't know what though I heard somebody say when I was out and about the other day they asked what phone that i had and i said i had the nexus 4 and they said oh why I'm gonna get the iphone 5 because it's the it's the five it's you know better than a 40 I was like well I mean tech really i'm thinking i was like well I mean technically if you're going by number I'm not as high earnings by some call it the 47 million beat that I mean technically they're right that five is larger than I don't know if that makes it any that's right that's how I was like I mean um kinda like the ones do so good because it was the iphone fourth i'm gonna have 4g yeah yeah that a year ago everybody thought they had 4g on their iphone yeah apple's entire business model works on that whole idea people even bigger the bigger model number is better yeah that's how this mozilla all is this multi they get away with that though Jeff when they start when they came out with you know the new iPad the new new way you know you'll the fall room didn't yeah nobody nobody knew what to call it is it the ipad 3 it's not the ipad 3 it's a new ipad whatever well now you can walk into the apple store and always say is that the new ipad they say yes and you just buy it great because it's always in your life always the new ipad brilliant please you've got six ipad fours they're all the same and each one is better than the next i started selling ipad 2 is it full cost of the new new ipad yeah what yeah and then they shrink it down and call it the mini right I'm charged almost as much I'm saying in stores right that'd be fun yeah fill in more apple patent litigation um so google / Motorola and Apple are apparently considering binding arbitration to resolve all of their friend patent issues but apple's terms for this art have been pretty ridiculous they're basically saying we want to have binding arbitration that's going to bind your patents but only on the condition that we can keep seeing you for everything else and none of our things are actually gonna be part of the discussion to which Google more or less respond but hey we're happy to talk about arbitration but we actually want to you know arbitrate the whole problem not just you know this little piece of it that's going to make it easier for you to come after us in other directions later cuz that's pretty much what happen was trying to do with elemental the fran issues so they can continue to go after google and all the other android makers on design and utility patents i think apple is i don't know they live in their own reality they very much do live in their own reality and continuing that that theme um in more apple vs motorola issues google suppose be able to review some of apple's source code more or less decide whether or not they believe certain things are infringing on certain patents and there's a pending deadline for file and coming up in december so not just a few weeks now and goo our apple apparently has been withholding that code from that which for for legally minded people that's basically the same thing as withholding evidence right they are legally obligated to provide this discovery material to opposing counsel and they're refusing to do so that's the sort of thing that can get lawyers held in contempt of court right like this is not smart legal strategy by Apple this is more of the same crap that they pulled in the UK that got judges very very angry at them very very quickly so I don't know who at Apple is running their legal department that somebody should remind them the pissing off judges is not a good way to win cases it's well it's been working for them so far right so they're so just like oh that just say okay uh whatever you say by all means continue yes when you had your creditor or early I can't remember the name of the other one who say no really even if we let this go forward there's not actually any remedy other than you sitting around whining like a little girl so get out of my courtroom like I said alternate reality Apple right yes somebody make that a meme go we can make a game out of that too so we were like is it s'alright so I want to see somebody make a lost mashup with Apple go what season not quite patent news apparently the german federal Environment agent and save just I guess they're kind of vpa is calling for a ban on sealed batteries and cell phones it's basically non removable batteries for environmental reasons basically the big issue is they're very difficult to recycle people you know replace their phone every two years and if it doesn't have a removable battery the phone just goes in the trash lithium-ion batteries really ought not go into the trash that's that's not good so that's the like the razr maxx the lot for the iphones yeah yeah yeah and when they say BAM we aren't really talking about the same kind of ban as you know injunction sales bands we're more talking like this is going to affect regulations on how those sorts of phones after you've built this but it's going to probably have to become easier for the backs to come off and for those non removable batteries to be removed I don't see how that's any different than having a removable battery right if you're going to make a non removable back still difficult to remove but less difficult right we should just make it more easily removable I'm curious I mean so the onus is on the person who owns the device to recycle it right there's recycling bins at best buy and Verizon and t-mobile do you do that I just throw them in the garbage I've never actually thrown away cellphone know what Jeff I care about my environment so I bought a package get the risin okay all right if you are you ever recycled motor oil yeah I do i I'd see it's not feasible well I don't change my own oil uh in situations where people dude you got to haul a big glob of all the way up town to resign right don't live in the country like you and I that's true but ya know even when you live in suburbia if you're changing your own oil you still gotta drive across town to somewhere you can recycle yeah yo just have a longer version dotting partner because you're in spurts come on you little bit yes yes like we're gonna be if you only had a car you gonna stick it in your trunk and just towed it up that no right cuz it's gonna spell one that's not up to it all disappears from the ng on the word goes you know oh so back to this battery thing on the you know I think we got off on a tangent but I mean do you think that this is the potential to you know actually start affecting the way the manufacturers are designing their phones to the point that we reverse the trend I mean I'd removable batteries I think it depends on sort of where Germany goes with it if they affect it as more or less a hard man where you can't sell their product here unless has a removable battery it's definitely an effect changes because nobody's gonna make a German device and then a rest of the world device sure oh they're just not gonna make a German device all right that's a fair point it's not a big enough market to swing that right so the only I mean the only reason the only way that that would have any impact as if Jeremy persuade the entire EU to adopt the same policies yeah if if Germany doing it forces the entire economic community that is new to do the same thing that will definitely force a change sure what are the benefits that we've seen from having on removable batteries a lot of people say that you know it gives us like thinner phones and stuff like that you can get a thinner phone or you can get a larger battery without sacrificing having a thicker phone okay okay well I wouldn't mind a little bit of thicker phone if I could swap some bad Rancic yeah and not some things that you can make batteries in very irregular shapes right being able to come out of the device the other one seemed a big build quality and that's really a decision based on what the manufacturers do because they put flimsy plastic doors instead of something that's a little bit more starting I've seen high quality backs that arm yeah sure I just not them not really the status quo unfortunately but well looking at like the HTC DNA the droid DNA is that the one that's got the battery right behind the display like that so that they've changed the order of the parts oh yeah likin that gave Adam is pretty challenging because their site in the back in the battery right so then that kind of you know I can see how it opens up this entire can of worms but I'm curious to see because it's difficult Nexus 4 2 because when we pull them back off it's got a whole mess of antennas attached to it right speaking of the nexus 4 battery man this battery rocks i just had to toss that out there oh my goodness it's leaps and bounds better than the garret houses how does your battery lasts on edge what I'll tell you what I have a segment of the show reserved for me for a five minute anytime as Dan calls it so I'll talk about it in a minute but let's get to the part everybody's waiting for and let's let's move on and get to the ingress giveaway number to Jeff and then I'll get to my whiny time how about that okay so this time I'm going to ask a question it's actually a pretty easy question you're gonna have to go to the android authority google+ page and your ghosts refer little in the original post yep the first person to correctly answer the question i will send you the code in a private post alright so let's give everybody a second if you're watching on YouTube to find it so it's google com / + android authority all in word so if you're watching on YouTube that's where you go to view it if you're viewing on my stream Scott's or somebody else's that happen to share this make sure you go to the android authority post that had the original post so that way you are participating in the same comments that we're watching we're not watching any other comments so do do do everybody should be on your way there yadda yadda yadda okay so you should be there when out right and that's fast enough okay all right Jeff without further ado what is your what is your question for the ingress code the question is what was the first commercially available android device who's going to be a father that was that was a harrowing silence after you finish the question everybody waited with bated breath seal in case people having streaming issues Dean hear it again the question is what was the first commercially available and star Aaron star congratulations the g1 also known as the HTC dream that's right way to go Aaron star you're gonna get an ingress you invite all right so Jeff is going to private message you on google+ and give you your code let us know if it if it is if it works for you please and or if it doesn't work as well alright so while you're getting your code let's go to Derek's whiny time cuz I've had a bunch of questions about it so uh trying to spend too much time in this live first I want to talk about my Nexus 7 sadly my nexus 7 died um it died thanksgiving day i had plugged it in the night before because it was it was dead actually i used it now that afternoon until it died and I I plugged it in when I got home let it charge all night my left did thanksgiving pre-thanksgiving stuff came home next morning woke up unplugged it went to turn it on and wouldn't turn on huh that's weird I was like well this happened to me recently before I let it charge overnight and actually did in charge so I plugged it back in hit the power button and it turned on but it did wasn't a normal you know Google logo that I saw I wasn't the Nexus boot animation I saw a black screen with a bunch of snow on it like seeing a sparkling flashing and after after a few minutes yeah after a few minutes the the device actually booted and as soon as I saw the unlock screen it shut back down and rinse and repeat it went all snowy for a few minutes oh I'm sorry whenever it shut down every single color of the rainbow was visible across my screen in a mad dash of flashing frenzy and it hissed and made a pop did you ran it hissed and made a pop it happen is it possess I'll tell you what I actually do have a video it's not the greatest because I was so so I'll get down a minute so I mess with a little bit more thought well you know what something's really bad but I have the factory images downloaded so let me go ahead and try to flash them I tried to get into the bootloader by pressing the power and volume buttons and that didn't work so I unplugged it plugged it back in try to press the power buttons and nothing you know the bootloader the Google screen never actually appears so I can't actually get into the bootloader it just immediately starts booting up you know I see the nexus logo so after a few times with it doing that and me trying everything under the Sun to get into fastboot mode I realized it it was probably a hardware issue and I called google play and they picked up right away I talked a very nice guy there by the name a lance he's very helpful they're sending me a new Nexus 7 and probably here um I'm I'm betting I'm Monday or Tuesday depending on shipping I got a shipping notification the next year free oh yeah yeah it's so it's advanced RMA so that means I give them a credit card they charge me well they put two hundred dollars on hold they hold two hundred bucks and then I they send me a new one I get an RMA number which i already printed out and a free shipping tag and I put that on the box and ship it to them they're shipping center looks at it and says yep he didn't smash this down the steps or yep it's you know looks like he physically damaged it but obviously I didn't so they're going to credit me the two hundred bucks once they get it and realized it you know it wasn't my fault that the device bro they even actually have to analyze advice they just keep the hold until they receive it well that's what that's what he told him he told me they're gonna look at it make sure there's no physical damage the device and if it looks like it was the devices fault and not my own then I'll get my 200 bucks back though they'll release the hold and the funds yeah yeah yeah so they actually in charge money it's just you know there's a hold on 200 bucks which which is it is fair because I'm sure somebody could drop their device and break it and send it to him say oh I didn't break it it broken incentive me don't you you know every RMA I've dealt with for the past 10 years in the IT industry does this Yul's not doing anything out of the ordinary hand all the big guys do it every month workman is if you they send you a new one before you send your broken one back yeah but but that's because they tacked only charged me two hundred all for it so yeah yeah but but either way are they have to wait three weeks yeah yeah so only I'm gonna get it monday or tuesday uh I'll check my shipping information but yeah so here it is it unfortunately does not does not work but anyway so I did make a video a test yeah not i can use if her drop test no I I did do a video of Phil I was filming it as I was actually on the phone with the representative and he he put me on hold for a minute while he entered some information and I was doing a quick video and I didn't finish the video because he came back to tell me they're going to replace it so uh it's like a minute not even a minute long i'll post it later so you can look at it's not very professional so anyways so that's my nexus 7 story now i have an x 4 story but i'll try to cut it short here cuz we're running out of time um so yeah I had a nexus 7 for a little over a week now and for not I'm sorry Nexus 4 for a little over a week now and the big thing for me was I was not going to get it because I have horrible horrible horrible gsm coverage here it's a verizon dominated area the gsm here is basically like an island with verizon surrounding it is the sea in that's just how it is um but I thought unfortunately you know I have this shirt that says android on this hat has android on all this android stuff back behind me and all that stuff overpowered me the my fanboy ism to buy the device and test it out anyways um I found out my voice coverage is pretty much the same as verizon when I have one bar I can't make a phone call when I have one bar and Verizon I can make a phone call it's great on my galaxy nexus I don't need full signal um data yeah edge is slow four bars of it hey but you know what I could play ingress on four bars of edge and I can post on Google+ and interact on google+ it's a little slower but for full bars of edge is doable it's like one bar of 3g so it's not bad um I think edge goes up to 170 k doesn't I did it because I than that but not a lot yeah it's not yeah it's not the greatest um I I don't know I I did speed tests at work where I have hspa+ i'm on a tease network with straight talk and and i have HSPA at work and i did a speedtest and I was getting between three and six meg down coming over um that was with for four bars you know it written you know sometimes I get you know but then don't average was between three and six you know and that's really slow compared to what I'm used to then the next day I was in another town that had hspa+ and I did it all i'm sorry i did a speedtest on my galaxy nexus on verizon's LTE and i got nine down so it was those you know three times as fast or depending on we know the results so it was a lot faster but that was okay no 36 is fast enough from the majority of stuff I want to do I was able to stream a video and you know whatever that's fine and then the next day I was in a different town that has hspa+ and I got 17 down with verizon LTE and I got one down with hspa+ and a little part part of me died and then today when I went to to drive to meet Dan on the way down i noticed i had because i was being safe in my car and doing a speed test i noticed i had a you know i had four bars of LTE is like oh let's do a speedtest got got 18 Meg down picked up my nexus 4 to do a comparable test oops no service you know that was that was sad um um well I was on gee maybe no just cheap I'm still not sure what I'm gonna do i mean i have my variety might technically my verizon contract runs out in the month so i have a month to figure out what i want to do I don't know what I'm gonna do yet if I'm going to stay with the phone and other phones amazing I mean it's the build quality is great i absolutely love it it feels great my hand it's it's so much lighter than one used to mean it don't know III love holding it it's a great phone it's an amazing phone it's probably best friend of our own dumb I said I i love this thing and it's it's great it's really going to be really hard to give up something i love but if i can't use it to its fullest i don't know i'm trying to find more Wi-Fi you know i'm using Wi-Fi more than i used to use so we'll see what happens um you know in another week maybe i'll come back and say yeah I decided I can't do it especially you know when verizon's look into complete der LTE network in about seven months my area right now is 3g i'll probably have LTE in in the next you know three to six months so no need Verizon's coverage like because are the only place that covers you yeah yeah where I live Verizon's da middle of nowhere right is so I got the joy what about the Droid DNA aligner and slap some cm on it whenever it's known it and that's what and that's what I'm really thinking about but if I get the droid DNA then I have to renew my verizon contract or spend 650 bucks so I i don't i don't know i don't know it's a big decision and i'm going to go back and forth on at least six more times before I figure out what I'm doing because that's that's what I do so uh you do we could had a couple questions I want to hit on real quick on YouTube um so acer chromebook yeah i mean that's not entirely android related but scuba relating we're all Google fans um yeah it's fifty dollars cheaper than the Samsung counterpart and has a massive hard drive in it but I would go for the the the Sami in math exam song for sure hate Samsung's I'd still recommend the samsung we actually had me at two different same guy asked two questions about that and then another guy on YouTube asked about would you say the samsung galaxy note 2 for sprint would be good I mean the note tuza the hell of a phone on any carrier ah yeah he seems like it's a very solid device is he asking if it's objectively good or if it's good compared to why you didn't heard what is it objectively good matter yeah it's a good phone yeah very powerful big the one thing you've gotta take into consideration is how big your hand is yeah if you want to be a lot of here you're a hunter found girls yeah yeah you need to have huge hands but it's just me a little bit difficult with smaller hands but I mean if you want the bigger sign screen it's an awesome phone for that yeah I'll bake it up with it in in my last week so I'll it wants to know something with it yeah yeah don't be one of those creepy guys going around with the Bluetooth headset him dang it talking on cell phones yeah do it or not on with what and last comment here we have another youtuber saying that they're they're basically upset with this being a biased channel you know when we talk about android vs apple we're biased well it's not called smart phone authority no and I guarantee you that the people running running 9to5 mac or anything like that or not objectively talking about Android you know I mean it's just a little biased yeah well I think you're biased when you say things like Apple stole their notification system well I just wanted you reckless litigious course that's outrageous and unprecedented these are biased statements these are objective statements yeah I'm sorry animal fat and your think you're being slighted by that but those are objectively favor statements to make we can what maybe we'll start next week with a disclaimer like hey you know disclaimer we like yeah we like Android so we're gonna say things that we like about it the end with the android authority we're going to bash them for 45 minutes I'd be curious to uh once the dust settles with all this news lately happening um get some iOS people on here and we battle it out talking about it I think I'd be interesting sure I've got oh there's some great people I've got in mind whoo yes let's do that that's what it sounds like an interesting conversation haha we'll keep it civil yeah we'll take him out for a nice seafood dinners and we won't call them back the next day I love that movie all right well if there's no uh further questions Jeff did you send your code out to the winner I did he got it in those working guys until he didn't reply to me all right so he's probably playing ingress right now hey Ari he already left his house and he's packing portals all right so uh who won here Aaron star please let us know please reply to Jeff's post Rob our post something let us know if it worked if it work for if not you know we'll we'll figure something out all right thank you guys very much you know if you guys want to listen to us during the week or if you can't make our live show at all you can find us on soundcloud bean suture radio itunes RSS feed if you go to the website andhra thority com if you scroll on the bottom right there's section called on air click on that and that will be all their posts and all of our episodes into a nice little feed there also you can just check us out on youtube the audio links will be there as well alright house and as I was saying earlier thanks guys for for showing up good luck on the Nexus 10 and congrats to those who won your ingress invites viva la response remember the world is not what it seems heyo good night guys thanks for coming hey