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welcome to android authority on air the original android hangout show on google+ I'm derrick rose and I'm Scott Anderson this week we're joined with Dan Charlton Jon Kerley and John Franklin thanks guys for being here thanks for having us I'm gonna be here alright so let's see we're going to talk about this week we're gonna hit up some Android ecosystem news talk about some new devices that are leaving the market coming onto the market it has been a whole ton of app updates this week google updated but won't say everything but for argument's say we really updated every stance end devices we have some devices getting jellybean devices getting unlocked carrier news you know LTE all the things pretty much everywhere you know every carriers give an LTE all i got except for tmobile but their hspa+ all the things and well as usual we'll hit up some patent wars before we call it a night so so let's talk about some Android ecosystem updates those of you that are watching across the pond which we know some of you are over in the UK you'll be happy to know that play magazines is now available in the UK so if you wanted to check out some magazines in Google Play now you can if you're watching from Russia which we know that some of you are play books and magazines are now available in Russia so you can go ahead and check those out get books and magazines over Russia that's cool oh you know global domination phase two dr. yeah oh poor Derek will wait for Derek to come back right now I don't think they're just going to come back that's that's that 2g network for you oh you got rid of the teaching our hangouts on air does this I don't know why usually happens during his introduction as well yeah and he's back and I'm back you know this is this that's getting annoying all right so do you guys say anything you just like say damn it Derek left now we were yeah that pretty much sums up yeah alright so the hangouts messed up is sometimes as the usual sometimes not um right so so Dell is officially leaving the android smartphone market if you uh interesting enough you know the only smartphones that the DoD was allowed to use were smartphones made by dell so now the dell was officially not making anymore I wonder what they're going to do what vendor they're gonna approve next um the nook in the Nook HD+ are now available at Walmart for 199 and 269 respectively um you know Walmart's largest retailer in the world are one of the largest I'm not sure their sales numbers but there that's that's great for you know for barnes and noble the nook devices and get more exposure for them and on the android nexus front nexus 4 images without a word or actually there was a word jbq said i cannot comment on that the nexus 4 images disappear from the google download site and apparently the nexus 10 images actually we're never there and people didn't care or didn't notice because the next score was there a but so nexus 10 binaries were there well they're not there now so they this is just the nexus 4 that was affected the nexus 4 binaries were never there but the images were sinless reporting that both were taken down but only one was ever actually there one was ever actually I than the nexus 4 was the only one that was ever actually there yes so people were wondering you know speculating why were the nexus 4 images remove was it is it because in licensing is it because of LTE is it because of something we don't know is it because the Android 4.2 point2 is coming out I mean there's a lot of reasons uh dan what what do you want to add to the rumor mill as to why you think they were removed some of the rumors that I've seen and I think that this is is potentially has some Samara to it is the hit after people hacked it to run on a couple of places that ATT actually has ltd to play it on AWS it's running into some sec problems so in order to actually be allowed to operate on any particular frequency in this country you have to get approved to do so by the FCC and the next four is not approved to do so on LTE / AWS and so some enterprising XD I users made it do that and the government tends to frown on that and so complete not going to do anything I mean it's all in the software didn't require any special software hacks or anything if they just found out it works exactly and so I think Google is likely to update things such that that is disabled in the hardware or in the software app yeah so those of you don't remember are one hundred percent shore in the process they just brought up the phone testing menu with its and entering a bunch of pound signs asterisk numbers into the phone it brings up the phone testing menu and there's also a nap you get the Play Store to bring up the phone testing menu you may be able to do that and Android for you know since time began it's something you can do it on most phones yeah so when you bring that up you have the option to then switch bands and you know and since the nexus 4 technically has kind of sort of has LTE when use when you select alt it uses band 4 and found out there's off argument's sake maybe ten places AT&T has banned for AWS here in the US and if you just happen to live in one of those ten cities it has a very small deployment you're going to get LTE you're not supposed to but it's it the hardware supports it I said there's not too many people that can actually do that like you know like dan and I said it's only very very very select few places in the US well that's going to change when he rolls out their LTE but in general yeah right now there's not a lot places you can do that but still it's not licensed to do that at all and so Google probably had to stop distributing software that it's allowed to do things that the government says it can't yeah I I agree with that I think that was probably the case there's one point brought up in the comments by John likes the the nexus 10 images were removed because they were formatted for 16 gigabyte version ah well that's more of a maintenance thing my smells like so that does make perfect sense yeah they found an issue with the images that release so they took him down uh yes so um some of you that are watching right now may have may have noticed that the past couple weeks I didn't get disconnected during the show and now one of those viewers is back it hasn't watched in a couple weeks and I randomly get disconnected i think it's a conspiracy theory um so so let's move on here let's uh let's talk about some exciting news that is part of the Android ecosystem it also affects our very own dan Charlton as you could if you're an avid here the show I used to introduce Dan as from diamond team it is a colonel used to be were also roms to but now it's a minute mainly mainly Colonel uh that Dan has been doing for quite some time he develops kernels for I'm gonna just make it easy and saving pretty much every HTC device there is so I got to the point when I would do introductions I started feeling bad that Dan doesn't do colonels anymore you know so well dan doesn't do kernels and publicly release them anymore because he's busy what life happens you know job moving being awesome I mean he uh he didn't have time he didn't want a lesson is awesome to get back into curl developing until recently dan has made a nexus for kernel and he's also correct me from wrong working on its sister the optimus G huh working with a couple of other developers on that one and some some breaking news that somehow somebody in this hangout Ross might be the maintainer for the team it Colonel for the DNA as of last night dan and I were working on the teaneck kernel for that I well I have a lot of work to do still but fingers crossed confident I'm gonna be running a team it Colonel compiled and chciala all the gift commits cherry picked and pulled into the kernel and run that here very very shortly so I'm excited that I'm gonna be running my own kernel with the help of Dan and we're gonna bring team it back from back from the grave I still resent the implication that it was dead but yes I really haven't done a lot of public work lately I've been doing a lot of behind-the-scenes work with other developers here and there but been just generally busy with life and not really not really working on it and a lot of the HTC devices lately have been such a pain in the neck to work on that I've just not been motivated so what would change that you decided to you said hey I want to get back into you know a little bit of Colonel diving that you decided to do with the nexus 4 well I noticed that uh even on stock it will do this it has a issue where it basically idols about about blingy guards on the single core which I mean that's less than a hundred percent of one out of four cores so really not a whole lot in the total processing potential but that's a lot to do just sitting around idling on it all the time so there's a lot of ways where there's extra battery power to be saved and tweaks here and there to make things better and so I mean now that now that I have a Nexus device and it's much easier to actually do these things on it I don't have to fight with it all the time I'm killing a lot more motivation there yeah it's fun you know I'm excited I'm gonna you know be a maintainer for the device that I have which we'll get to talking about a little bit later in the show cuz apparently everyone needs to know why I'm not using the Nexus device and I'm using an HTC device the horror alright so let's talk about some after news that's gonna get off the ecosystem in T&T Matt news all right so uh Google's been on a tear with updates lately um a big tear and some of them have been small update some of them have been very significant updates and complete overhauls so let's start off with play magazines basically it got support for future in our activity um listen what that means maybe different types of places that they can get it not quite sure the search google search got updated it was a minor update well we don't really know because there's no changelog but they pushed a big one and then they had a small one so we're not really sure what that update entails um shame on you for no changelog drive I got bug fixes and other improvements I've noticed a lot smoother and less bugs it's nice other improvements is not a changelog people need to understand what a change log is um just people right like some random developer Diaries can change log okay fine got that guy needs to learn how to really this is google come on get it together at least a freaking changelog it's not that hard it takes you five minutes to sit down and really do an epidemic is think about it how many apps that have been updated in the past so many months have the old changelog when they're update yeah it's like they're generalizing it way too much a few things you know lots of people well no but ever but even when they're allocated you know like I I really wanted to know about one of the updates this week that came out with Google search you know and it didn't say anything I was upset about it he has ever looked at a google chrome for a desktop they're stable Channel I mean it gives pretty great detail of the fixes and stuff and the holes that were you know closed right like I don't hear bug fixes I don't know what bugs were fixed yeah how it affects me Rick I i am not a huge current user google currents dan you are i'm excited i saw the new UI and I'm excited I'm thing when I start using it a little bit more so I tell us a little bit more about what went on in that update it was a pretty significant update it brought in a new widget which is very nice more of the cards kind of you I that they've been going towards that adds an addition sidebar so it's a lot easier to navigate through your different news outlets some scanning improvements you can mark different stories more easily for read and unread including having it automatically hide things you've already read saving stories for future reference basically just starring and favoriting them as well as breaking stories ranked by google news so it's definitely a big update I've noticed it being a lot faster than it had been previously and kind of chugged before um I mean it definitely is a huge improvement on Curren yeah that's deal I think it's interesting how it integrates with Google News it pulls in you know breaking stories from there uh yeah I wish that that integration with the other directions like when I went to Google News on my desktop it was pulling from my like current sources for it actually looked like google currents instead of his care so much about the UI I care about the random nonsensical news outlets that google news feeds me that aren't like aren't outlets that I care about never the best let's warm water just like them odds a little bit yeah yeah yeah like currents under subscribing to particular like particular publications I'm obviously selecting my news in that regard but you'd think that they then in a news aggregator pull from the obligations that they know i'm selecting well basically from day one of currents release it was slow and now it is a lot faster so great job google on that in that respect it's definitely improved there's this one place that that's one place they could afford to consolidate a little bit more to google reader and have it all readers is dying a slow death it is greater because of the simplicity and the low data usage it's phenomenal in my personal view for what i use it for I whenever I got my nexus 7 I stopped using reader and I started to use currents is my main news aggregate and I love currents now I I use it all the time I you know I like reader because I obviously i still use that every day in the desktop but uh I I like current has turned into a beautiful app you know it it's it a lot better than it was when i first got released and I I really like it hey uh YouTube viewer wants to see your phone ah Dirk my phone okay yeah so uh HTC droid DNA and I have a cruzerlite TPU enduro defied case that I got on it I'm not normally a case user I haven't used a case uh ever in my mom will say ever I may be used one ten years ago who knows how to use a case in a long time I don't like cases because nowadays no manufacturers spend so much research and development to make these things light thin sexy and what do we do we bastardized and put a case on it right away Joe knocks yeah yeah but uh you know what did this phone is so thin that this case doesn't increase its footprint really at all and it's a little slippery and plus I picked the damn thing up and I don't know which way i picked it up if it's upside down right side up and it really annoys me and I was like well you know I'm gonna get a case they're only nine bucks um look at why cuz there's a person's on one end wasn't a giveaway okay when it when this then when you pick this thing up and the alarms going off you know I don't want to sit there and feel around it you know trying to find the hole you know I let those go by no but um it's a Electra fun you know I hate the UI I hate sense fences garbage but I love this film I really do Russell Holly he's a smart guy should listen to him the beginning when he told me not to buy the nexus 4 not to try to use it on future that I was gonna hate it I thought I told her to yeah but I tried to make you believe opponents want you to get instead i prime used the nexus 4 on 2g in my area cuz that's all i have here for two weeks i use this the hell out of that thing and you know what I I can't do it 2g sucks so I went with the next best thing it has the same process or enter the nexus 4 does has a 1080p screen sure anchoress looks a little weird that's because the screen is too awesome for ingress you know like that's the first time I've ever heard Derrick Rose dish ingress ingress ingress is a good time I like the phone I do and crews were like you know we've had them on the show before they're they're good people I'll plug them for a second you know go ahead and their cases are cheap ten bucks or so maybe you know 15 bucks uh they're nice they're it's TPU no it's not rubber it's not plastic you know it's some space-age material you know it's a it's not bad um it's it's it's not too hard it's not to solve it I like the case and I got one for my wife on she has my galaxy nexus now she loves it she likes the case and she's not really a case person either oh I'm not watching one either i had one on the nexus 7 l will say they pay a lot of attention to details for the cutouts for them you know where a lot of cases kind of fall short especially with a USB ports and headphone jacks they pay a lot of attention to detail I'd go a good question your old devices do you guys just sell them right away or do you give them to other people um close to you I sell them he's alone I normally sell them but my wife was my wife was stuck with this guy here the my original phone which she got a different she had one of her own but the HTC incredible and I couldn't let my wife use this old dinosaur anymore so I gave her my what gave her my galaxy nexus so it's still being used in a year from now whenever that phones ready to be sold i'll sell it i'll give her the DNA and i'll get the nexus 5 or whatever yeah yeah i've got the three that i just picked up plus two more that I've either loaned or give it away to other people it dan has an arsenal phonesat usual item ok let's move on what employers we go off on a tangent there sir yeah so let's move on to some more app updates youtube is another one I got a revamped UI for tenish Hamlet tablets finally um it's just kind of like the other one but a little bit more features kind of things look better it's nice UI overhaul and it has bug fixes for all devices it is general but I on my current phone galaxy nexus that's just for the mail um I sense that it is less buggy which is nice especially on a data connection with a carrier then sound search it made its first debut in the Play Store pretty cool a personal opinion it's really slow but it is accurate from what I've used it for comparing it to other services like Shazam and SoundCloud or soundhound um it doesn't compare and speed at all alright so Scott like Shazam and SoundCloud and they do sound hound sorry they don't take you to the google play store to buy music for Google Play they don't burrito if you're in a sound will link you to other places even if you're under Google's uh ecosystem you know I sound search is great I use it all the time um like what's significant about this being released on the Play Store is that not all phones had it I mean it's a google app most phones had it but for example the HTC DNA did not have it and because of it the latest Google place um I'm sorry the latest Google now Google search update where you could do the voice command and say what song is this it didn't work on the DNA because stock DNA doesn't include that APK it doesn't include that application that sound search so google released it to play stores now everybody can install it if your rom is missing it no big deal it's just a gap to install from the store um sound search still doesn't work with the voice command it still says that your device is unsupported i'm assuming the this is a big assumption on my part but i'm assuming the search update that happened this week yesterday i believe that is going to fix that i assume that the last part is they have to basically just update the server-side patch that says this device is no longer supported make that say you need to have XYZ application installed in this case sound search and if you have it give the result back if you don't say if you want this to work you must go here and download this app I think the update is probably just the linking to the Play Store because they were able to fix the DNA with a server-side fix so they can turn it back on with a server-side fixed yeah so if they turn that back on then hopefully search will just say you need to install this app if you don't matter and that's I mean that's our gas it I still can't use it I don't know if I would ever use it besides one or two times because honestly it's easier just attack the widget instead of you know hitting the microphone button Todd anything and then talking to it when I could just tap the widget info but but hey I want to be able to do it damn it because it's a feature and samantha mclean my main phone is a Galaxy Nexus right now um in a couple of days it will be a nexus 4 but what you okay moving on a Google Calendar got updated um the Play Store version right not the Play Store version AOSP version yep and basically it has the features of a call and go to map directly from notifications location suggestion on event creation very nice and quick event creation from month view which I believe that was in the AOSP version create quick event I think so no that's a new addition amina not in the month of you oh yeah ok so it's specific to the money ok yeah when you switch to the month you a tip them on the way ok and then placed or movies got updated it's now available in 11 countries also the master updates when new TV episodes are available and it fixes to make downloads more resilient is that 11 more countries or 11 total countries now available in 11 total countries wow they're they're moving along though no that's five percent of the world's countries you know it doesn't I'm sure of google 15 percent I'm sure Google wants to have movies available everywhere but it's not google's fault it's you know licensing regulations you know it's the movie industry saying you know we want money damn it a lot I'm sure it's not google being evil here it's not their fault John on Google+ state so we need an IRC channel I agree with him you know what we do have more you can go there right now I'm not there but it's a register channel on freenode android authority all one word go there talk amongst yourselves maybe uh I'll load up X chat and join a few seconds go I i would so move on our google or actually implement that you know I made that our channel like I really gonna do I mean I made it six months ago and then we never used it maybe we start using it just you know whether you ops in that channel that's awesome let ya buddy let's use it and next week you know and see if it works and works will continue to use it yeah we go you can join now if you want give a test drive alright so google earth again generic bug fixes I haven't noticed anything on google offers got a greatly improved purchase purchase experience which is true although there is still have some faults and then it has some assorted bug fixes not just bug fixes assorted they have two edition knows me um Google Shopper bug fixes UI enhancements and performance improvements it is a lot faster and they still need to do some stuff with picture picture cash it's not as good as it needs to be and then the Play Store got updated as well you've got some bug fixes we assume there's no real change log for it and maps for iOS google maps for iOS got released which is okay news used for people in iOS getting lost now you know and have them come and save you in Australia yeah so I mean that's big news um comparison between the Android version and the Apple version I haven't seen an article that compares them directly I mean I haven't either so I I mean if anybody is writing articles i would love to see a comparison because that would be interesting because then I would know what they have in what we have yeah I mean it looks like there's a lot of new UI drawing pretty heavily from the google now style um which person I think looks great and there's a lot cleaner than the Android version yeah i understand it still has a feature deficit compared to the android version it does the firt the verge did a pre they mentioned Android Maps in their review of iOS maps I do like the look of iOS maps better but they did have the benefit of starting from scratch so yeah me you know you're talking about an android situation from bringing changes that have to also work for Gingerbread and for your users and you know they're not building onto an existing platforms so the thing the main thing that Android has over still is along the lines of like a places and location share whether I mean they have most of that but uh like latitude know that I can I can't verify was meant as there and also immediate controls if you want to do stuff it's you know pretty much there um that was I've written article about that and that made a lot of sense okay and then you know how you know Facebook one of the biggest social networks in the world they say they had a shitty android app just it was horrible they added a little bit of features and stuff then today they added a brand new app no html5 it's all native java it is a lot faster and it is actually usable um even I haven't used it for like an old phone but for my galaxy nexus it's like night and day oh no I have a grab a question for those of you watching right now on do you still use facebook on your phone i uninstalled it a year and a half ago when Google+ launched and I haven't had it on any phone since plea use facebook anymore at awesome dude I'm just curious you know wha what are what our viewers you know are you are you into the end of the fbook you know there's no i have it installed for the sole purpose of me watching for updates yeah cuz i'm curious to see if they ever improve it um until it drains your battery yeah I mean you can turn this often it's really hard to do but whatever but yeah and they also do have like a when you click on a photo it's a kind of a cool animation um Google+ kind of need to copy that and or something like that your picture viewing sucks ok I think all right let's move on alright so devices um if you are if you're rocking the verizon galaxy s3 on stock you'll be happy to know that jellybean is going to come out tomorrow so sometime tomorrow start smashing that ff5 start smashing that check for system update and a little trick that works from time to time is to go in and clear the Android services framework for stop it clear data cache on and reboot your phone sometimes that does that help sometimes it doesn't it there the road out in batches you know so it might not be available for your device so Monday who knows but you know what if you're bored and you want to tap check update do it to your heart's content um to continue jellybeans jellybeans all the things sprint's HTC evo 4g LTE which is just an awesome name for a phone HTC evo 4g LTE like anyways it's getting jellybean started that started today and and uh Motorola's razr HD is getting jelly bean on telstra so congratulations users of those devices on those carriers your you're getting some jelly bean good you know good six months after it was released um he doing all with devices there was some note 3 rumors this week so some of the rumors said that it was going to be a six point three inch screen so all about that our initial thoughts were wow that is huge can you handle a six point three incher you know that that's free that's pretty big give me 7 i'm happy yeah oh yeah and some of us carry around you know the the nexus 7 which you know is a 7 inch or so you can handle that fine so you know is it really that big of a deal you know some of us put the nexus 7 in our front pocket our back pocket um and then you look into a little bit more and you think well is it really going to be actually that much bigger than the current note 2 and i'm guessing probably not so let's talk about that's a lot at some point 8 inches well it will look at it here so the note the original note was point seven eight inches by three point two seven inches okay and had five inches of viewable now the note 2 is 5.94 which is only about an eighth of an inch difference by 3.17 which is actually a little bit smaller so and they got an extra half of an inch out of that sao paulo jewish is actually it was 5.3 on the note one yeah do what did i say five okay yes so the 55.3 okay so so yeah they got its 22 inches different so on the note 3 what if they got rid of the bezel mayor or you know an edge it made it much smaller made a judge like John said and that's how you're getting that's how you're getting me know six point three inches you know could that could that happen but what if they did like Apple be made taller but not licensed oh not oh my god stop that but you know I don't like because 6 10 or 12 aspect ratio yeah I mean when you get into the bezel and a larger device like with the nexus 7 it has a bezel and I would not like it if it didn't have a vessel because it is actually really nice because I don't interact with my device when I pick it up and I personally think that on a bigger device like when you get past the note tues size a bezel is kind of nice to have actually whether you get uh you know less screen real estate yeah usability I think it's better yeah I know what when I was debating whether divide the note 2 or the DNA I put the two side by side and there's a good half inch difference between the two and yet they're both while the ones up you know the screen slightly bigger but in terms of width which that doesn't have anything you know that where that doesn't have anything to do with the actual well it does but that's not the actual 5.5 inches of screen but but the width is about a half an inch difference right there those are the same roughly the same length so it looks like a microphone compared to it but they have the same roughly in the same 5-inch screen so i think that i think that we're not going to notice a difference really notice if they just get rid of the bezel that that's my fellow that's a big difference to hide out of just the bezel you're talking about point 8 inches you don't have that much bezel on the note 2 to begin with so what if they'll they made it right down the footprint so it's only just a little bit larger that makes a difference in terms of holding in your hands but that massive difference in like usable area there's not a remote chance that you're going to be able to reach the far corner of the screen with your thumb and you know what that's why it has a stylist yeah but it means you absolutely have to use it as to hand with yeah I know good thank you I was gonna say i was using the galaxy tab the original as my phone hacked up so I mean you take away the bezel and seven inches is just right fits in the pocket take away the thickness of the galaxy tab also and seven inches 6.3 it's not that big nowadays that's average make it was smaller all the time I you know I walk around with a nexus 7 in my front pocket in my back pocket you know and it feels fine people ask you if that's the nexus 7 in your pocket actually today we had a discussion about that on google+ and i took a picture of the phone in my pocket and got all sorts of comments about that because i was trying to go through the comparison is that the DNA in your pocket or is that the nexus 7 in your pocket that's done a google+ community or alright so so what up next on device is the galaxy note 2 and we keep talking about it here uh well we're comparing it to the rumored note 3 Adam out ler famed XDA Android hacker did his awesome things that he does and he unlocked the bootloader for the galaxy note 2 this week and John Franklin Johnny Frank he has actually gone through the steps to unlock the bootloader and uh John you want to tell us a little bit about that was your experience unlocking the reloader this pretty shameless i did wait until this morning to do it because i didn't want to be the guinea pig for the first the first run of this but it is it is important to know that this is not just a bootloader lock it's an eye rom I'm lock which is actually higher so Adam put out a post today reminding people that this thing is basically development board kind of unlocked and you could flash anything under the Sun on top of them so make sure that you if you do flash flash the unlocked stock bootloader that they provide or a verizon stock do not Babu motor feminine and realistically you won't have a lot of reason or justification to flash a boot lower form of the carrier but just to cover it don't do it don't do it okay do not use odin to flash any roms anymore unless you're flashing back to stop as far as the exploit goes is pretty seamless the team of people that he worked with basically came up with the pit file they injected it into a partition and what you're going to do is load up his revision rom in addition to the pit file and flash that to you phone by Odin then you're going to it's going to reboot your phone adam has his casual it's a Java applicable Java applet this step for cross-platform atb scripting universal Android loader and that's how you deploys the exploits you're going to boot up and put it into USB debugging mode and load that up with the phone another thing to note is if you're on windows 7 64-bit to right click and go to properties on the applications hit unblock for everything to make sure that you have that the application has the privileges to because it's going to pull files off of your device to cash them for later to put back on there after you get done with this you're going to run the casual scriveners upon a boot your phone back into download mode and this is actually an insecure download mode that allows you to pile this boot loader on and the package is you're going to load the pit file again in the sukkot verizon odin package which takes about 10 seconds and you're going to run through this you want to keep casual open during the entirety of this and you're going to reboot the phone it will load back to make sure you have LTE all the files it's cached and will give you a notification that your unlock and after that you're good to go it takes if you're paying attention it takes less than 10 minutes a lot of people had issues with it and I would say that if you're having issues you should make video look at the documentation watch his videos both times to make sure you're doing every single step correctly like Alexis you definitely want to watch those videos before you start not like oh I'll just follow along yeah make sure you understand what's going on before you start messing around with us this is not at all something you want to do based upon a quick glance in a form or fly by the seat of your pants because there's no guarantee that you'll be able to go back to stock and I'll end up with a freak device so make absolutely sure you follow every direction to the T and once you do it's going to boot you back into team win recovery and you know that's team win recovery is the point you're going to reboot system have casual hoping this call notify your urine lot and you're good to go um you know it's pretty much gone from a lot bail secure device to development board status you're gonna see roms kind of start pouring in now yeah John so are there any uh you know d bloated rom start at least for starting on it didn't really deep load it but beings town put out an initial rum and of course he's going to come out with his own themed and modified version that's basically just a do decks and quit all the typical modifications nice nice insecurities insecurities now you we've obviously all unlocked multiple devices before you know compared to well compared to the Nexus device mean Nexus device you look at it and unlocked itself no one the DNA was a the DNA was a little bit of pain in the ass to to unlock it um for me I think it was easy i evil empire what's that get away from the evil I'm I gotta get away from the old car I'll get away from the evil empire whenever another Empire comes in puts up towers here but it was a pain in the ass but it wasn't hard um you know same type of thing John yo wasn't hard just a pain in the ass to go through all the steps yeah um it's one of those things where the more you want to reading about it and getting yourself hyped up about it kind of helps you because the more the more you know the less frustration you're going to have so just make sure that your informed before you try because that's when you're going to start wanna throw something against the wall when you get to methods like this and speaking of getting away from the evil empire so so uh Scott you're on your Galaxy Nexus is part of the evil empire right now I can't believe calling verizon that I like Verizon so what which carrier you go into with a nexus 4 i'm leaning towards t-mobile just because i'm looking at HSPA networks and t-mobile's is better flat out no you know hands down and I'm in a big metropolitan area Minneapolis so t-mobile i think is going to be the way to go yeah well John not um I assume your curly Jon Kerley I assume your nexus 4 is on AT&T right yes it is 3g as the house there i'll just say hey do you have hspa+ down my in your neck of the woods in PA i have LTE in my area and uh uh let's just say that my top is seven megabits per second I've seen all my nexus 4 oh that's sad I've seen 21 I t-mobile and it's not bad here in the here in center in state college area on hspa+ I saw three one day yeah wait let me go get my s3 and I forgot 30 2 megabits for a second oh honey 42 42 okay just wait two more people join the network that's because it's you and that other guy on the other set of town pretty much oh wait we got enough of wilkes-barre to now I mean if ever go up there so speaking of carriers let's talk about how they keep you know growing the their networks doing things to make their customers hopefully happy happy relatively speaking cutie um is actually having six more markets to their LTE coverage zone in Allentown I saw which is about two and a half hours from each that doesn't help me out I just want wilkes-barre is up there too right yeah yeah you have a good enough places um and several others verizon is adding 16 more the twentieth of December they're all out west yeah they're all out west in Colorado Wyoming Oregon Washington um so yeah they saw 18 keys and raised them ten more and tmobile those morons yeah is officially lighting up there a iphone friendly pcs hspa+ in five more markets bringing it to 23 total and covering a hundred million people which puts them at their your end goal which is great for t-mobile it'll be nicer when they start building LTE but small steps um but uh the bigger news with t-mobile is their plans for next year not just their their you know their network concerns but they are going to start carrying the iphone sometimes they're the only major carrier in the US that hasn't been but unlike all of the other carriers they are going to stop using carrier subsidies and start selling the iphone and all other devices at full price they're just going to kill them well I don't think you're right about that because what they're doing is basically going to a plan that they currently have where you get a discounted plan rate monthly plan rate and then you pay on top of that it's like ten or fifteen dollars a month for your the full price of your phone spread out for however many months it takes to pay n it to 10 or 15 bucks a month so you aren't necessarily gonna have to pay six hundred dollars to get your phone it'll be you know three hundred dollars with another three hundred dollars spread out over the next several hots that's what they have right now they're chanting they're going to fully on subsidized no no they're going to keep that because it's it's still be fully on the subsidized price they're just allowing you to amortize it across six months but you're directly paying a fee for the phone ah that is separate from your monthly bill for service it is paid off on a different term that's gonna be fun it's gonna be interesting I that that I think is gonna stir things up a little bit yeah I mean I think for consumers nobody wants to pay six seven dollars per phone but on the other hand I think it will do good for the market if people realize that a six-hundred-dollar phone is worth six hundred dollars and that the crappy tracfone that you see at Walmart that's one hundred and twenty dollars off contract isn't really competing with your two hundred dollar brand new Android and iPhones right like yeah sure that's only eighty dollars apart but they're not in the same league it would be interesting he might see a a big push there for consumer awareness anyway but with Google coming in with a $350 device if people start competing in that market is going to become a lot more viable to talk consumers into it yeah I mean especially with Google or computing at the three hundred price point right leg that's the same price as a lot of brand new devices subsidized on verizon yeah I'm excited about the shake up and just kind of doing in a different way I like it yeah i mean i think that the real reason behind it is the in order to get the iphone you basically have to pay apple in advance for the next five years of all of those subsidies and then you actually have to meet the sales goals otherwise you're just screwed out of the money that you spent and t-mobile is pretty much saying screw you know we can buy them wholesale to break from the manufacturer just go online and buy 10,000 iPhones and resell them at full price without dealing with all of your contract and so this is more or less their way to sell the iphone and not have to deal with the Apple crap mm-hmm no they're really the only carrier with a network that they could do this yep yeah so other carrier news sprint is going to try and buy out the rest of clearwire so the other 49 point six percent that they don't already own for a little over two billion dollars but only on the condition that Softbank gets to complete their or seventy percent take over sprint for twenty billion dollars in change anything so we know where the first ten percent of that investment is going and in Europe everything everywhere is targeting 17 more markets for LTE rollout Wow day they're moving pretty quickly in the UK and this is still all before the Ofcom auction so they are the only game in town so to speak so good news for four people in the UK who use everything everywhere in the I've heard relatively narrow areas that they actually cover um and then in patent news that really hasn't been a whole lot this week but a patent troll company called mobile media it's got a lot of sony and nokia own patents won a small victory over apple patents a potential injunction and damages hearings to come so this is nokia and sony basically hiding behind their little shell company patent troll to go after Apple without any retribution from Apple so kind of a win for Android but kind of a dull dirty mess in them from top to bottom I don't think we really ever say that pet no patents and patent trolling anything involved with that is ever anything not but a dirty mess yeah any of those yeah and we never say and and in patent news something was this awesome patent troll today yeah I mean it's always it's always pretty shitty quite frank yeah yeah yeah hopefully one of these days reform comes yeah in entertaining not quite patent news but I guess licensing Apple and Microsoft are apparently had a spat over the in-app purchasing policies through iTunes so apparently Microsoft in their SkyDrive application for iOS have made it so in app you can purchase additional storage problem is if you ever run your service through itunes for an in-app purchase all future made by that end user have to go through apple so if you on your iPhone buy more storage on SkyDrive and then later on and your desktop computer go and buy more storage that second transaction still has to get piped through apple and an apple still wants a thirty percent cut unsurprisingly Microsoft's not willing to give Apple a thirty percent cut for sales that aren't actually made through apple and so Apple is evidently frozen their app block it all updates them in the App Store and Microsoft is it so yet more developers getting annoyed with apples ridiculous in-app purchasing policies it's it does I don't see where they have any right to they don't you know so they don't like I give this guy driving storage I'm what about a sale made through our service for in-app purchases on the iPhone but it's really offensive to then turn around and demand another thirty percent cut off of sales made elsewhere like that is just really really arrogant and as much as people used to complain of them it was like you know Microsoft like Microsoft's getting mayor's but as much as people used to complain about Microsoft with antitrust getting mad because they used to put a browser on an operating system in Europe and apples dictating so much of their own operating system yeah hawaii's come after because I mean the problem that people haven't realized is they look at oh there's competition in the smartphone market and it's open and you know you consumers are free to choose Apple Android Windows Phone blackberry whatever that is relatively open but what's not open is the app is the market for iOS applications right that is a market unto itself and Apple has absolute dictatorial control over it in an absolute monopolistic fashion the most ill app developers start going after them for it it's you know it's not going to be until really the core see app development as its own market so one thing we didn't talk about earlier when we did ecosystem kind of its Android related it's google related and we're all here because you know where we like elgoog a little bit so Google announced that they they aren't going to join the the windows RT the windows ecosystem they're not going to put out google apps for for windows RT so that means you know there's not gonna be an official you know Maps or earth or Gmail which you can use all those in the browser well except for Earth I guess but that's pretty much Maps anyways so um big news not a big deal who cares a bad move what do you guys think I think I'm gonna side with Darryl Barnes to say google on that one whoa yeah I mean they're right until there's actually users and people who want the apps it's not worth their time to develop it but they also said if that changes if people start using these things and if there's a market for it sure will enter that market but right now the market doesn't exist so why are we gonna waste your time well boil windows RT has a giant question mark on it I don't think there's any doubt that the x86 version windows 8 is going to get adoption the hearty version on the other hand right now is garbage yeah even they say no windows 8 support they mean windows 8/rt they the modern UI the Metro all that crap the thing that nobody's like in the first place until I use windows every day and use Google products in desktop mode in Chrome yeah it works just fine nobody worried chrome is still gonna be there yeah well and there is a Windows RT uh um chrome yeah it just sucks because they don't actually because Microsoft doesn't allow them access to the AP the operating system api's yeah it's I just don't see Artie as a platform competing that much on the tablet space oh I don't either I mean x86 legacy tablet they can support you know backwards applications I could see that if Intel gets a legit mogul competitor power consumption wise but other than that I crammed in your tablet that's taking us we see what happened to yours in that early life give it some times you take off I don't think it's gonna take off but let's see what the adoption rate is in a year and then if it's viable then yeah then why the national rate seems to be the ones that Microsoft paid for itself to give to its own employees or they are people accidentally bought it because it was cheap because I thought it was an iPad and then they realized oh wait nothing i have actually works on it oh right ya know they were misled into thinking that it was a windows machine crazy so Windows RT is the exact whose windows 8 oh yeah yeah Chuck no wait you mean I can't run anything that I can run on the other platform oh okay and that's a big marketing fail or or it's not a marketing fail and they know what they're doing they're just trying to push people towards it Virginia's is it making people accidentally buy our products I sweet have any questions here well you wouldn't need to wrap up I know it wasn't anything extremely exciting this week there were there wasn't any major news I mean actually there was some exciting news dare cross is gonna become a team it colonel maintainer for the DNA that that's pretty damn exciting i'm up in a lot where do I get one of those cool little like graphics for my profile at you and like Randall and BRD have or what no comment no badge I got five guy who made it I don't need one man I'm just busting yelling oh but I yeah auto shopping and whatnot then you view the original but I don't know my idea of graphics is microsoft paint anything should make a month ever listen to us that that's your homework assignment for next week make me a Microsoft Paint team it colonel logo and i'll use it for the DNA and that'll be the official tiamat DNA love ene okay what's up wrap up your um so if you guys are watching us and want to listen to us later we are available on soundcloud we are also on stitcher radio also on podbean we've been thinking about going exclusively on some cloud but we'll see how that works out in the future but we're pretty excited about that um to go to android authority calm and you scroll down to the bottom right there's a second called on air and that will be our RSS feed and you can stay in tune with oliver goodies their comment on youtube comment on the Google+ page android authority google+ page we see all the comments and we are going to be newly implementing the IRC channel which will 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