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welcome to android authority on air the original android hangout show on google+ I'm Derek Ross and I'm Scott Anderson we are joined with fellow android authority blogger nate swanner this week is a first-time guest on the show welcome Nate thank you as well as Johnathan Franklin and Dan Charlton our hardware guru / apple hater / you name it whatever he wants to yell about he has some stuff to yell about tonight too and we're joined with Aaron gascogne from paranoid android welcome Aaron who just dropped out that's our luck that's why I live shows are fun cuz you never know what's gonna happen all right so those are you watching live Aaron just left obviously he will be back in a minute fingers crossed confidence hi um he was out a little bit of internet connectivity issues ah so he's actually joining from his tablet because I his his laptop we're having some sound issues so hopefully he'll be back in a few seconds but we're going to get to the PA stuff a little bit later on in the show we have a bunch of questions lined up for him from our audience if you are to just tuning in now and you have some paranoid android questions for erin go ahead and add those to our comments either on youtube or on Google+ and we'll check those out and add those to the queue of our questions here in a little bit once Erin obviously comes back since uh you just disconnected but hey that's what that's what make live shows fun okay so so this week on the show well we're going to talk about some app updates you know they may be boring but hey there's some cool new apps that got updated in Vedas that came out this week we're going to talk about some nice rumors with devices is always maybe a big note we're going to talk about some root and rom and stuff such as HTC hatin on the dev scene we're going to do some ingress giveaways and some LG some HTC MCM all sorts of fun stuff this week so stay tuned for a good show so uh so Dan I hear we don't have a whole lot of you know Google ecosystem news this week but we do have some mobile industry you have to talk about yeah so I google and apple and really everybody else in the world has been posting their fourth quarter earnings except for Apple who keeps a very strange calendar which makes this their first quarter um and google posted there's a few days ago and their stock was up like forty or fifty dollars over the last two days afterwards in comparison Apple posted their earnings last night just after the closing bell had over my eight over the last 24 hours they've lost sixty five dollars per share in value which translates to roughly twelve and a half thirteen percent uh or sixty plus billion dollars in 24 hours putting that in a little bit bigger perspective back when they launched the iphone five they were at seven hundred dollars a share so in the time since they lost launched the iphone 5 they have lost 235 billion dollars that phone cost them 235 billion dollars or roughly the entire value of microsoft the iphone 5 costs Apple Microsoft you know what was really interesting watching it was good apples tanking and Google stock going up almost all of it happened after hours oh yeah they were pretty stagnant during the day and then after hours was when will give yourself any button after Alan that last quarter when Google posted their earnings in the middle of the day their stock plummeted right afterwards Deering's reports weren't bad or anything that it was just weird to get the reports that and so people freaked out typically companies post their earnings reports shortly after the closing bell specifically so that way everything does happen in after-hours trading yeah and in Google when they posted there after out there are their earnings call sorry they are after the earnings call and they talked about the third financials and everything the next day and after hours trading their their stock went up was like 50 bucks like forty-eight dollars or something like that it was like four dollars then another tendering trade next time yeah yeah so so if you own google stock you're loving it right now um and if you own apple stock yeah you're pretty much not loving it right now oh my god I'm interesting to see what happens over the next few months you know when rumored new devices are supposed to come out from each company I mean obviously anything can happen next week we could be on the show crying tears that Apple stock is up fifty dollars a share and Google's is down in who knows I'm sure you know the markets a guess in a gamble but it's interesting to see after the earrings call come out what each company's results were and to see how the market was affected by it absolutely absolute mess of profit their hugely profitable economy they sitting on 137 billion dollars in cash like they've got tons of tons of money they certainly aren't hurt it it's just you know schadenfreude to watch their stock fall apart now no other industry news so we heard that this week as well there's a whole lot of Android malware out there now now dan how much malware is that actually well there are analysts suggesting that there's going to be over 1 million Android malware applications and before people start freaking out let's remember that in North America roughly zero-point-three percent of people have ever been affected by Android malware ever so if you're not getting your applications from shady back alley Russian or Chinese intern at sorry corners of the Internet yeah then you don't have problems with Android bail but with a million Android malware applications that means there are more Android malware applications than there are applications for Windows 8 yeah so so there's more malware for Android and then there's total apps that exist for the windows phone so yes I mean there's also 500 million over 500 million devices running Android right now so when you say so we there's only a million apps that arm our but there's 500 million devices that numbers actually really really small when you look at the total amount of apps that people have installed mean it's very billions and billions of apps installed it's very very small it sounds like a lot and yes they're absolutely are more than a million different malware applications for windows out there floating around the internet everybody remembers droid raw hard are likely that you'll get one of those that you'll get an android health care all right so so so on to some Android news here Erin is coming back he had some internet connectivity issues she sent me a private message he's going to where the internet is plentiful and fast I wonder where those you know so he wasn't Zac you will be back shortly once he reaches the promised land there's me he's probably going to Kansas City I he's going Kansas City if he's going to get some google fiber or Dan or is he going to get some google wireless he might be getting some google wireless so so let's talk about that so so Google for a while has been rumored to be launching in conjunction with DISH Network their own wireless service you know we've heard people talk about it in the industry over the past few months a lot of speculation a lot of guessing a lot of fanboy hopes and fingers crossed ah and then today the wall street journal let the world know that aha they actually are building a wireless network thanks to some FCC's document snooping we know it's definitely the case but the interesting thing about it is it's not yellin a shin wide rollout Norwegian rollout nor a state or city rollout it's more of a few you know acres of land roll out maybe it's confined to the Google Mountain View campus arm the purpose of this well we don't know it's for some type of experiment some type of test and you know what I love it when Google tests and experiments stuff so far they're using the band that is I said if you care about band numbers and all that good stuff it's a 25-24 megahertz to 26 25 megahertz so that band there are somewhere around the 2.5 gigahertz band the only company in the country that uses them so yet 2.6 have 2.5 2.6 band gigahertz band the only company in the u.s. that actually has that spectrum is clearwire so speculation begin what is Google doing with clearwire are they doing something with clearwire are they going to work with clearwire to evolve a nationwide wireless service or nothing at all are they just playing around and that's what Googlers do what do what do you think dan what the what's it's going to turn into I think they're probably just playing around with it um clearwire spectrum one of the problems with it is that it is such a high frequency and so it has relatively low penetration um so my guess is they're probably doing some investigation for basically how to get those high frequency spectrums to work better in doing penetration testing and doing cell phone testing with it so I don't think that they're really planning to do like launch their own cell phone network and somehow steal all of clearwire spectrum um I think that they're just planning to do some testing probably specifically around penetration testing and probably working with basically working with spectrum and providing fiber back holes to that yeah um so I think that their interest in it is more just we need some spectrum to play with to do other stuff but not actually the cell phone parts of it I guess only time she'll tell you know uh or Aaron will when he gets back from using that service in a few minutes right yeah because he is out in California all right so uh so Scott do you want to talk about all these awesome android app updates since you're our resident app guy that wakes up in the morning it feels a little blue inside as he doesn't see his phone telling him there's an app update sure I don't feel blue I thought they'd over Christmas break when all the developers were spending time with their family you're waking up every day feeling sad because your phone wasn't saying every day without my family and feeling sad oh okay ah well Temple Run 2 is you know that game the original temple run a lot of downloads a lot of media lettuce came out with their second version and it's kind of cool as anybody tried it I know people that play it and like they just do it to past time and then I'm anything else do they're not like really enjoyed or anything um I've never really been particularly like I've seen it I'm just like it yeah well dumper run to that got released kind of a big app go test it out I'm gonna test out if the show as well reddit news got updated for those of you don't know read news I mean there are three or four big reddit apps but reddit news is really really nice in my opinion I know John you use it too mmhmm yeah Isles between reddit news and read it sink I think those are probably the top two most popular you know I really need to try ready to read it sink I hear all these good things about and I'm still a big bacon reader guy it's one of those things where that's the first one I found I liked it and I've just used it ever since but if you know if the grass is greener on the other side I need to try it yeah I would say that Arnott synchronous reddit is fun all those absurd so what okay since there are a whole bunch of reddit apps is to get the audience involved here let us know in the comments what reddit app you use if you use reddit if you're redditor you know there's four or five big ones out there what's your go-to reddit app of choice so read news got updated it was a pretty big update as slide-out navigation new improved design for posts load more comments multiple account support which is nice swipe comments to go back to the post list and overflow context menus for posts and comments also font size options that's really nice q1 really small or really big depending on what kind of device you're using double tap to zoom on a picture which is also a great addition and then hushed is basically an app that allows you to buy disposable anonymous phone numbers for a time frame right from your smartphone it's good for secret agents like Dan and police officers like John and stalkers like Derek I am a stalker but um who would otherwise have their number blocked or people that do some questionable things on phone calls it keeps you from having to buy a burner a burner phone that yet yes so Nate those things that we were talking about doing we got this cover now I don't think about burner anymore good cuz i was going to get expensive so who uses tasker just a little you know I put the guys here in the and the hang out here now um well you know and also if you're watching the show on YouTube and let us know or in Google+ let us know if you use tasker oh we have some interesting tasker news coming up here for you yeah um tasker I mean I wait did you use tester first of all yeah I haven't used to ask her in a long time ah back home when I have my galaxy nexus you know back when times were good and fun and then I'd enter the dark ages on the DNA uh I don't use tasker anymore but but i'll have to check out the new updated beta the holo UI i loved holla hall is great and tasker is awesome for automating pretty much anything based on location gesture time of day context I mean it's how about anybody use tasker like a like Scott said I use it off and on I used to do the same way back when it first came out so like a year a half ago yeah and was super impressed was at the time so I mean maybe I should give another try now but the other hand by device gets great battery life so I just don't see the point the one reason that I the beta I mean played around it still doesn't really feel like it's been designed you know so if you were disappointed with the UI it still has some it doesn't it's the same as it's always been as a it doesn't efficiently guide you through you know the context of the actions to actually create a task it feels like more work than it's worth when there but the tasker can go do some cool things to beside just save battery life so let's say you get the the google TV Tasker plugin alright so you come home you lay your phone down on your NFC tag let's say that you have somewhere maybe on your desk so that turns on your Wi-Fi it connects to Wi-Fi it pings your google tv turns on your google TV and puts it on the news because it's six o'clock and you watch the six o'clock news as you get home things you know neat little things like that now so there's all sorts of ways to have fun with it up but as Dan said 'yeah Tasker was really good for saving battery life back in the day and that's why I really don't use it anymore yeah um I mainly went off and on because of the UI but yeah one weather was updated to version two it brought a new improved UI and more compatible with ICS and also tablets pork which is awesome and a lock screen widget for for dot to and of and also improved ongoing notifications and few other things as well I'm so da dope pebble launched or started shipping products this week Scott not pebbles the Kickstarter SmartWatch that raised 10 million dollars in and sold sold out all their Kickstarter pre-orders and they ship they started shipping this week than their first 500 the first day the second day now another big batch and so forth and their their android app launched and what went live now smartwatches are a neat and I anike market I'm gonna say a neat product that maybe we're gonna see a lot of in the next year I you know there's already other products you know like metawatch or you know Sony and you know but but uh pebble was it was pretty cheap was a hundred a hundred dollars or a hundred fifty dollars now if you want one and it does basic things it's not I don't it's not that cool yet I mean it'll do let you know you have an incoming email a call messages the weather of the time you can download different clocks all that means it's cool stuff but is it enough to make you want to wear a watch again I mean I don't wanna watch in 20 years you know I how about you guys what do you think of you know smartwatches you know theres a river that Google's making a SmartWatch and you know Apple might be working on wine and then you know we have things like pebble hitting you know I mean if all these things are in conjunction with your current smartphone or tablet you know would it make you wear one again would you want to wear one no don't watch because I find it uncomfortable I'm you too and I guess well you wouldn't put anything under body that you're not used to I guess so it might be at something that you have to get used to if it does serve the purpose that you know outweighs the learning curve of getting used to it you know what I mean I mean if it did a lot then I've you up for it one of the things that people stopped wearing watches force because their phone can tell time this exactly the consolidation of utility in one place I mean why it's got me I can understand a blue bluetooth headset as a peripheral device because that has a single functionality but you know as far as just tethering multiple devices to tap into your smartphone I just don't see that as a market that's going to really expand that much yeah I i I'm curious what happens in the in the near future you know we'll we'll find out I mean I'll tell you what I might say one where watch but the mock-ups somebody made for Google time they're not real but basically it's google now interface running on your watch and it looks pretty neat you wear it you know pray for a week and then I'd trust not want to wear it anymore but we'll see what happens in the near future so Aaron's still not back yet for the Paranoid Android Q&A session we both sorts of stuff lined up form so we're going to go through a couple more boring segments here let's uh let's let's talk about some device news um we had we had some rumors this week about the Galaxy Note 8 for the longest time we're hearing is going to be the galaxy note 7 and then we saw some leaked images and specs of the Galaxy Note 8 and it really looks like a galaxy note 2 with galaxy s3 physical buttons I mean that's that's what I think it's who knows if it's good to it's real or not obviously it's a leaked image you know we'll probably find out more Mobile World Congress but why are they releasing an 8-inch know right we have a the original note we have a note to which is 5.5 inch screen which our buddy John here has and then we have the note 10.1 so now we're going to have a mid-sized note which I'm of mid-sized even the right words those things are damn big anyways so 7 makes more sense for that fact well these how big how BIG's the air the ipad mini 7.7 right that's almost eighty seven point eight seven point nine point eight okay so is that what that's target adapter is that targeted towards the ipad mini then I I really I think we've talked about this in previous shows but I don't really think it's targeted at anything necessarily I think they are just throwing things with Velcro at a semi velcro wall and they're trying to see if anything sticks and they have the money to do that and they have the user base to do that so I think currently they're the same hey why not and I think that's maybe why they did the note the original one and they'll come up why not and then it really caught on they were like hey yeah i really like bigger phones so i don't know what you guys think I mean I think that they've made an eight-point something inch tablet before so I don't think that the 8-inch note is is really a problem it fits nice sort of slot in their line between the five point whatever inched up to and the 10-point whatever inch note so I mean I think it makes sense I just worry that like they've got so many lines now they've got the galaxy ly they've got the note line like this is getting ridiculous out just how many freaking devices they're shoving out I met I made a post a while bad that I thought if they would have put out a note 7 that it would be probably the most popular 7-inch android tablet if they'd probably if they've priced it right yeah and you know I would say if they keep it at least under 300 but I aim for 250 or so but for students you know let's say that someone that didn't have the note 2 or felt like the note 2 was too big a 7-inch tablet that you could take into a class or a business meeting and write down your notes and everything on is kind of a big usage case for a lot of people that are using tablets in class or enterprise or you know it just kind of strikes a good balance of being pocketable enough to do that and yeah but I think that that size versus the multi-window I think that really works well for Portability and usability I'd actually like memo you know try one out just to see for multi window you know on it 7-inch tablet yeah i'm curious how that actually works out i think is you know you guys are saying you know for portability and usability i think it it might be the sweet spot for that yeah i mean the multi window works really nice on the note 2 is a phone sigh I mean it can only get better yeah probably a pretty useful device really you know and remember the nexus 7 fits in your pocket so it's not too big you know an 8-inch tablet you know tiny little bit bigger and might fit in some people's pockets still maybe a baptism oh yeah it depends on the bezel and it depends on a pole like a good strangely narrows so Dan if you're wearing your what dammit if you're wearing your skinny jeans you know you're not going to put in a nexus 7 in your in your pocket you know I can't fit a nexus 7 averey against pocket that I haven't but I'm saying but when you're wearing your you know your your sexy skinny jeans you know you're not gonna be able to do that you know you're assuming that I have any such genius all I've seen pictures dan I've seen pictures I doubt that i haven't seen pictures oh not a lot of pictures be available later right so so we have a question here in the comments any rumors on nexus for availability i once a so much as a rumor but a remark on larry page at the google earnings call basically said yeah that sucks he he he acknowledged that Google as a company needs to do better with device availability as a very political answer acknowledging yes its sucks that people can't buy devices from us they want it's a something that they need to work on their can continue to work on political answer left little answer right yadda yadda yadda so at least he acknowledged in the earnings call but additionally I think speaking of the earnings call I think he also hinted at Motorola coming out with this rumored Motorola X Google X whatever you want to call it phone talking about how phones shouldn't go splat when you drop them phone should be very durable you know battery should be the top priority battery should last forever and it should last all day long into the next day you shouldn't have to worry about it and those are things that Motorola has been rumored to be working on such as a ceramic phone that wants something is more durable a flexible display don't have display that bends and folds in your pocket but something that can give you know when you drop it it's not going to break those those are rumors do they mean anything is that what he was talking about I don't know but hey it's nice to speculate I'm excited for for google i/o to see what happens doesn't lock so moving on to additional devices on the lg optimus g pro which think of that as the nexus 4 pro since the optimus G is the same phone as the nexus 4 about you know besides the outside shell in a radio um you know exact same Hardware internally it looks like the g pro is going to be coming out in japan so it's going to be big in japan as the saying goes ah how's about you it's going to be it it's going to have a 5-inch screen 1080p yes then the nexus 4 in the optimus g2 currently doesn't do that they rock a 720p so it's going to have a bigger battery higher density screen a bigger battery bigger process or a bigger camera more storage so it's gonna it's a you know it's a pro edition it's off course it's going to be a little bit better all around um the end it's coming out as we said on NT doc calm l and uh think it all the good stuff they get the butterfly J without verizon bastardizing it you know I yeah all that all that good sir but speaking of the butterfly J so it's cousin the m7 leaked all over the place this week we had screenshots of the phone we had renders of the phone we had screenshots of the UI since five show up all over the web thanks to a charity trusted source on XDA and Twitter he posted images of what he says was the was the m7 and then he was posting images of sense 5 running on the HTC droid DNA and what the was the story behind that is that he had in his possession the sprint variant of the m7 and he is porting basically taking all the files working other the internal rom files importing it over to the droid DNA which would be running sense 5 then and android 4.1 point2 um he says he's working on it he hasn't released it yet because he doesn't want to get kicked in the face by HTC because they're doing some funny stuff right now which we'll talk about in a minute so what's interesting about this rumor evleaks a kind of trusted source on Twitter guys he said that the m7 was going to be released for verizon for sprint and AT&T and not not Teemo yet but what's it funny about that is the HTC m7 looks almost exactly like the droid DNA has almost exactly the same features so why would verizon's get to phone why would verizon get two phones that are this very very similar over the course of a couple months I don't believe that rumor that's just my thoughts about you guys no I think you're probably right OH get a lot more sense for it to go to tmobile AT&T en because it needs to replace the one the HTC once it's the successor yes I don't see that happening that's but since five I hate sin so you know I've said it before on the show I hate sense I hate sense i hate sense since five is a little more minimal i would I've loved it no but I'd like it better than sense for it you know it doesn't look bad if you guys seen the screenshots of it the Scott ornate or John mmhmm yeah that's how it looks like they changed up to the you know the classic clock widget that they've always had and put in what looks like a fairly nice actually I mean it almost looks like a sort of weather widget that you get out of a market app I think it looks less there's less animations only me that's my two obviously we haven't seen anything animated but it looks like there's less it's less graphically intense so it's on almost luring cleaner yeah there's there's not as much wow and pizzazz on an icon you know it's dumb down a little bit and then that's following me that's a direction that a lot of the industry me Google included has gone to in its work form is that they go a little bit less skeuomorphism like Mac OS X and iOS and it's kind of getting away from Apple's design and going with something that just brings you right into the content and doesn't you know the UI just doesn't get in to get in the way of you doing what you want to do and I had support the design direction because we've seen it with hollow I mean I personally like it better that way I've always liked that even with linux distributions where we had the option of a dumb down xfce versus que te or something i went for the lightweight one personally absolutely I like still so we had another rumor on this past week about a new Nexus 10 arm the new Nexus 10 basically is just going to have a better newer cpu and GPU I people have said in the past that you can max out the video on the Nexus 10 because it has four million pixels and the GPU can't handle it and if you try you can make it lag so there's a rumor now saying that hey google was a fix for that and it's going to be a nexus 10 with a new GPU and a new new new cpu so we'll see what happens at Google i/o obviously yeah i mean i think that releases of a google i/o is one thing that previous one was released months ago so refreshing it six months later it is it's pretty standard right yeah that's that's fairly standard and I think that they'll publish I move more towards a you know one or two sorel ESA's a year but they do one at i/o and then one in in october november but i don't know that they'll be fresh everything both of those times you know yeah the a bursting if they did nothing you're pushing in with it we have a lot of pics a little bit of a industry shake up here um go back up in and talk about something that's just happened very very recently John or scotter dan you want to talk about that for a little bit yeah and that is he is basically cracking down on since major arms in general um again the information was on Twitter and a couple other read it read it as well and James D software the owner he's the owner of HTC are you you calm there he was ordered by lawyers representing HTC to take talents and the websites basically a repository of sense based roms and they instructed him to take that down and hand over the domain could be overkill by lawyers stretching in or you know is at the beginning of HTC cracking down on roms that modify HTC's proprietary sense software we have yet to see but they've done this they've done this in the past other websites as well and I think the biggest concerns websites that leaked out pre-release roms more so than modifying finished drawings because ACC's generally taking a pretty hands-off approach with it yeah I mean the thing that they're going after is people who are distributing HTC software non people who are distributing modified versions of HTC software but people who are distributing HTC's software proprietary thought form they are proprietary software and keep in mind that they just signed a big deal with Apple so I would not be surprised if part of that agreement requires them to be more strict about going after their proprietary software which in this case is apple's proprietary software yeah or at least i'm quite certain that apple believes it's entirely their proprietary software the wrong chef developers I've you know because there's so many ways I it's like XD a root wiki Android forms that you never want to not put it to a stop and the biggest concern is if pre-release software there was a block and I'm not as for me with how it is now but in the case of HTC software even with finished phones they would you know like back when people used to customize the quick settings and I'm stuff those developers have done and have not enabled in finished software and current phones that you know the community kind of enabled and added on to and things like that where I mean there's I guess some threat of people seeing stuff that it's really not ready to come out yet or whatever by the community but then sense is really easy to port between versions as well and that's probably the bigger verte issue is because I don't really recall seeing as much of it with TouchWiz or blur but you it's pretty easy to take cell phone that was running since 2.1 and port 3.5 to it or others because there were really easy guides to sit there and say this is how you do it move these files and I think HTC just wants to put a stop to that that's inside of it I mean they're going after the developers on XDA and routes between two people that are redistributing their software yeah right this isn't about people who are modifying their software people who are cutting up and playing this is somebody that was hosting an ruu from HTC and it had HTC the name of the website right like even if they weren't going after what is distributing then going after the owner of HTC are you you DOM is not surprising they're going to be able to seize that domain pretty obviously mm-hmm I I think we'll find out more information over the next coming days or week so that you know HTC offers files to you know redo your phone from you know I'll think of it as like reflashing your phone from from a bricked phone then are you you file and HTC wants to be the only one posting those you know we're not as a consumer we're not really supposed to have them it's their proprietary software so do I agree with it yeah whatever i don't care i mean that sucks that it happened and we'll find out you know over the next coming weeks but remember you know HTC also doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds them as well because they're also very developer friendly and isn't you know since they did they they release their kernels sometimes timely but with HTC you can unlock pretty much said rarely rarely hey the DNA didn't it was shockingly fast but but with HTC dev though you can the HTC dev com you can unlock every single phone they'd ever made except for like two you know the one which happen to one asset the one asks are 1 X on AT&T and was even a legal ears you know this everything that's not on a chance here for us yeah yeah but there you know I I don't know i'm curious as to what happens in the next next few days or weeks so so Aaron went and found new internet just an update on him and we're actually trying to get him back in here uh he is unable to join he found fast internet he said he's on 10 megabit up and 10 megabit down the Internet's flow and it's the places that dreams are made of he said but he havin problems joining and I don't know what to do I've invited them back you just you can't join from where he's at so uh well we can kill the Hangout and restart it to try to get him back in here or we just continue what do you guys want to do get splice it together and then splice it together 40 it's doable alright so if you're watching on YouTube we love you if you're watching on google+ we love you um we're going to be living out quick this show the broadcast on YouTube to try to get the main man in here the whole reason we're doing this tonight and see if we can get him back in here and either way we're either way we're gonna spring we're gonna come back for a few minutes um wrap up the show so hopefully uh all of you come back sorry about that but you know technical difficulties you know at least we didn't blue screen on stage like Microsoft does we'll be back in a minute IE crashes oh okay and we're back we have technical difficulties resolved we have our main man here Aaron from paranoid and Lloyd we're ready to start all things paranoid android we're going to give you guys a second here to rejoin the show restart watching us here and then we're going to get into Q&A session one last thing of news here before we get into paranoid android one to mention that if you haven't registered your samsung galaxy s3 yet you can still get some free tectiles registering your phone and a free flip coming that's gotta go to the samsung's website and enter your I'm imie number and watch your inbox you get 6 free programmable tectiles and a flip cover so Mazel do that if you have a sammie device it's a pretty uh pretty nice free stuff ok you're paying mr. before we start Derek with a question for the audience thoughts on the upcoming Ubuntu and Firefox phones oh okay all right yeah we can hit on that real quick so I got to see the bunch of phone yeah at CES um very intuitive UI different than anything that we have available right now it's all gesture-based um besides being cool I don't know how we're that will go because ecosystem makes the product so it might take it two years before it's even mass used well we're not be going to see an official device for another year so who knows that I don't know it's a it's it's cool but is the average person going to use it yeah probably not that's my opinion well it took a bunch of desktop adoption even though it's by far the top linux distributions just nothing compared to windows and mac OS x yeah it could be as big as like the deaf community that the routing in rommerz out there no or it won't be that big it'll be just a small a smaller percentage of that I say some diehard about two fans you know we'll run it I don't know if they'll use it as a daily driver they find out there's no ecosystem that's just my opinion Aaron you're you're a big Linux guy what do you think on about ubuntu phone oh it's not going to take off if it doesn't have a driving force behind it their hardware is going to be behind and Android is too popular ya know and I think the same is true the Mozilla phone I mean it's seriously expect the same as the nexus one the nexus one yeah it said is milk or one gigahertz processor and a half a megabyte iraq yeah that's poor is only 1.5 gigahertz quad-core processor and 2 gigabytes of ram the other thing the only way these platforms has ever legit chance and getting development is you no html5 I mean once I mean html5 is pretty much the only way that any of them have a snowball's chance in hell of seeing applications yeah but look at facebook who just ran away from html5 because it didn't work very well for oh yeah well the manufacturers have to agree on standards to get html5 to interact with hardware better yeah until it at html5 is not done yet yeah exactly until that day comes they don't have a chance obviously that'll be when it really doesn't matter anymore as much anyway all right so let's uh let's talk about paranoid android the reason that everybody was here earlier and hopefully all came back after our our technical difficulties Aaron went to the promised land he got his his fast internet the audio is work and he's ready to answer are some questions so Aaron thank you for doing whatever you had to do to make it back to join us on the show I greatly appreciate that and a problem so so let's uh let's get started with paranoid android so my my first my earliest memory of paranoid android was back on the Galaxy Nexus shortly after rom started appearing for it I remember seeing this this thread called paranoid android in you know that somebody called moles or I mean her was talking about you know uh not tablet mode but a hybrid mode for the Galaxy Nexus and this was after somebody had already released a tablet mode for the Galaxy Nexus and everyone's like oh that's cool but you know sometimes it's hard to read then we see this new rom coming out that talked about a hybrid mode where you know it it was a not phone UI not tablet UI but it was you know it was half-and-half and and people were talking about oh you know if you run it with large fonts it's okay and then you know then the next week we heard this thing about you know her appt DPI and do a build up prop at its and then boom it just took off and then and then hybrid mode settings / in app settings in and you guys just uh you know have changed so much since then nah so it's how many guys are are on the team right now currently is for four of you okay okay and how long have you been on the team about hymens okay and you uh you maintain the the grouper the Nexus 7 and then the Colombian x 7 3g and the 3g ok and the tilapia okay nice okay very good and how many devices do you guys Paranoid Android officially support officially only Nexus devices but we have been ported to the galaxy s3 and the note 1 and 2 ok and now and that's a little different from from what i remember in the past you know you would find paranoid android on well basically if CM was on it there's a good chance somebody would be trying to pour an unofficial you know paranoid android to that and you guys you guys changed it at some point you you're basing the rom off of parent or I'm sorry off of cyanogenmod and then a while ago you guys decided to base it off of AOSP can you tell us a little bit about that why those changes took place the reason before that because as you added more phone features it's been harder and harder to read more to see I'm changes on top of it so the get murders were just a real pain so because when you go in our interaction is how to go sheriff asp I guess that makes sense you know you're so you because you're you know whatever they're changing week to week and you're changing week tweaked you know you you're having a you know fight for lack of better words you know to get things to work because you don't know what's coming in the pipeline you know and depending on what your cherry-picking from cm and if they're a release something did that change is something to break something and you got to fight with it and I mean is it was a creating issues for you guys just yeah it was the biggest issue but we'd have random things out a break we'd have random cm issues and then just the ticket murders were a real pain so it's a lot easier right now going off of straight off of AOSP and this time around we actually beat them to the punch RCM I mean our printer and we had beta before CM had CM 10.1 not this time oh I'm we're actually ahead of them well that's a bragging right because cm is a driving force in the Android ecosystem that that's nice to be able to no doubt that is hey you know we beat the big guys know that that's that's nice yeah so we had to wait on that way to push us back another two months or something to wait for CM temper I wanted to become stable before we can go on top of it so yeah that makes sense then so that's why you're moving to your own you know your own Fork of a OSP that way you don't have to wait for somebody else okay um so what do you uh you know city okay p will we usually talk about that for a second they have so many customizations I mean you can customize just almost too much in my opinion unless you're Scott Anderson he he loves aokp um CM you know there are more they're less customized but they're more stable than they okay p instead of in my opinion so we're in there would paranoid android fit you see you know even less customization or more customization more stable alternative bility we're very stable 24 straight a recipe we don't have any use other device modifications like a prince but that kind of thing terms of customizability hopefully right around cm but we have a different feature set so we're more about hybrid innovation unique features we don't have things like battery percentage um different lock screen options weather and status bar that kind of thing but but but some of your features are pretty awesome especially the new that everyone's ranting and raving about don't talk a little bit about some of the features that paranoid android has and is as well as this this new pie that we keep hearing all about our biggest feature would be the hybrid mode which allows you to do / at BPI / a play out which means you can have tablet layout with a smaller larger font and any app you choose like a good example would have been the old you to left the tablet you I had a 3d carousel so it's really nice effect and everything so we enable that and then on top of that we are perhaps color so you could change your navigation buttons to match themes and things like that a good example of that was on Google now the whole background was white total has stainless cleaner parents and then once you finish that we started the pie you I the pie UI is assisting our replacement so it's made to completely get rid of tablet UI or phone UI yeah but if that's too i call it and another way of navigation it's based on the ASP browser code which was a beef introduced in ICS but from then it's nowhere close to it that was maybe twelve hundred lines are this 2,500 lines and we read most of the original code well yeah I remember that whenever the ICS browser came out that had the labs feature that allows you to to have you know the pop out you know radio up nope i type controls and and all people like that that was neat say so so you guys took that as a base and then you could be rotating point but now we're a hundred and ten comic commits that 2500 lines later o ver easy so yeah no one can say that he just you know took that and ported you you know totally rewrote it and did it all you know it sounds like it's your own yes now we hear a lot of people talking about the LMT launcher ever since you know pi you know ever since paranoid android started coming out with the PI teasers and then then the PI betas you know I'll people start saying all that this is just like you know LMT launcher you don't need pie you know now and then people start getting in a war orabell which is better and did you take code from this and yada yada yada and you know you want to you know and then lighten us that there aren't aware what what that's all about well LMT is closed source for ones they have no code stillage it is also based on AOSP think ASV browser code well I can say we've completely rewritten it and I don't know if you noticed but resealing the newer betas they've been using features from us they now have a status bar thing with the clock and notifications and we also share some of our code with them the code for our Cubs targets we can go sat on axis we've shared that with the LMP developer and he's also implement that on his on his application so you guys are now working together then I wouldn't quite working together but we're open for collaboration good very very political I like that so yeah so some of the features of pie I I actually put it on my my nexus 7 here um put it on there last last Saturday night I was bored my city I keep I keep seeing this pie thing I gotta I gotta find out all about it you know so so I I went I put it on there and it first I was like ah this is kind of neat it it's cool it's it's a definitely something different and you know and then I said you know what there's a few features that I'm missing I want my toggles I want my notifications and then lo and behold you guys like you guys read my mind you know within a couple days you guys added that you added notifications you added an easy way to get to your settings to get to all your toggles you guys like totally rewrote that is that is that right correct yeah and there's still a little bit more work to be done the toggles need to be added to the chevron the second Chevron for the pie on that we have our own custom views for notification and quick toggles ltb expand a little bit but we're getting close yeah so if you can see here those you watching it well with the reflections going to be bad but when I let go on that they're gonna like they're gonna pop out from the side there so you yeah um and you can go in and you can customize those if I want sound their GPS their bluetooth and so forth so just like other roms allow you to customize that too but they they wrote their own code for that and i like i like how also reading are reading our minds i guess we also had talked about the ability to yeah be nice if if i wanted to flick the pie menu out from the right side or the left side of the top or the bottom you know no matter where i was that i could flick it out and when we talked last that feature wasn't available and now lo and behold you can now do that and that that's pretty cool why i like that and now when we talked last you would send out there might be some problems implementing yep you guys were able to get past that yeah we got around it but like that it is a touch target if you enable as possible can cause incompatible issues with certain apps and they have swipe gestures in them yeah I what was I doing I was uh I was swiping on my my desktop early a desktop my home screen and I was trying to go to a different screen in the pine then you popped out as a good but uh yeah I understand that what you're saying now that's all we have the option to have multiple sides you can have top and bottom you can do whatever you feel the most for your situation yeah and I changed it cuz i dont depending on how I hold my device you know I change it to cook from my fit I actually use it on the bottom and use it on the top I'm sorry on the bottom and on the on the learn the right now and it works really well for me I I like it now I'm still besides being cool i'm still trying to see what other uses i can find for that extra you know inch of inch of space but it I you know I i love it it looks awesome the fact that i can just flick out and you know i like i like might be able to see my battery percentage there the date and the time my notifications are right there i can swipe up to a month i like it if you guys are doing great things and it's getting a lot better for me i haven't used the regular nav bars in three or four days i have my on the right side i can use completely one-handed and i love it now I bet that's really what we're the breaking point is you'd have to use it for a few days because right now I know that if I'm in a nap and I want to get back to the home screen it seems it's almost like a little bit of a hassle to swipe up or swipe to the side to then hit home whereas before I could just tap a button you know soft key and it would take me to the home but as you get better with it I'm finding my it's it's easier in me well not easier but it's just as easy you know you get used to it now what John you said you had a question for Erin here yeah just with the last especially lately with the rom itself and the applications like the PI menu and paranoid preferences um under your for you know four man team as far as all that goes is software development kind of obviously this is a hobby for all of you but is it something that uh you do kind of as a career and just decide to do this in your spare time or is it like a hobbyist thing that got them kind of developing on android roms in general or because I mean it's quality code there you know I know it's a lot of lines of code you have to put out so um three of us Duke of our computer science screen sharing makers one of us electrical engineering major so we're all in the industry on to butcher students so this kind of our hobby for me it's very educational I learned more doing this and doing during school so are you looking to then pursue a career with Android development then after this since you've learned so much ideally but there's not many hiring opportunities for that ok well there you go will help android authority uh job services whoa uh well we'll let you know when uh when we know when we find us a staffing agency that is interested in um but yeah with that that's it no you got to use what resources you have available and you know we'll we'll let people know that you know these guys know what they're doing and you know they're talented young programmers they're doing innovative interesting things the PA preferences the Paranoid Android preferences app is awesome the fact you can customize completely almost seemed you know any app very very cool and like I said that's all open sourced any industry report that whatever I choose the only thing is that we ask is that you don't include it with any build prop tax or DPI changes or tablet mode or anything because it does conflict and it looks about in our image whether or not the coast will pull the open source and free to use you guys have a github available or something of this get some ways the PA prefs application is closed source or working with team pic and open source version now the dash that you brought that up there is a Play Store paid version available how much is the PA prefs a premium app all about 294 last time I checked okay you got you guys a plan to add some type of bonus features to that or maybe they're already there for people that are supporting the devs and everything like that right right now it's only appropriate viewers you can see all the athletes and edit their properties so instead of having to go for the entire list it's just a quick or easy way to do it we plan on adding beta features and not just looking to show that in time well good good and you know what this is a nice way to support the devs you know I mean you're you could always you know give them a few bucks on a paypal link but you know why not you know by their app if you're a fan of the ROM and you know you get a few extra features out of it as well you know there might not be groundbreaking features but the cool you know a little tiny little additions here and there you know yeah the planets not having a core feature tied to the pro version we considered having pi beta of Pi tied to it we decided that was the dance of community and decided just have it completely open now when not you know I know it's a it's against the law almost to say so what is this going to be out you know like no ETA s is the the patented cyanogenmod rule and how much I'm assuming you guys follow that as well when a stable version of you know paranoid android 3.0 is going to be available well the run itself is stable a hybrid engine is one hundred percent stay boil the rest of the rama stable so for the run itself i say where r see status when pi is more of a beta Sarah so what's pireas rrc sense we can look further into three point up okay everything else is done fully tested bed everything okay I is the last the last week what makes sense it's a it's big changes big changes now do you guys for see yourself doing you know a lot of popular roms do big roms you know have big followings they do nightly build so you know they have a bill bought that runs every day and commits a you know pulls down meal Garrett commits and builds them and says hey here's here's the latest thing you guys think you're going to get into doing something like that in the future um we do use the XA villa by which is have been a real big help because we know we're limited our computing power but for in terms of nightly since it's only four of us it's Ron without changing quick enough but you really need night leaves so on averages maybe four or five come in today and there anything major if there's a major bug or she will try to find a boat as soon as possible but for most things it can wait okay and our gear is actually down right now so we're kind of using our get as a in place code system sometimes you wouldn't really want to build a nightly like that but now Dan as a former re-emerging kernel developer as a convo for Dan you have any questions for Aaron you have any an insight of what what these guys are doing yeah so um we talked a little bit about this last week but I think they're still interesting questions um I'd ask you a little bit about how deep the changes are into the code um I know we talked about it being mostly framework related changes but can you speak a little bit more just sort of what are the challenges from a technical standpoint of doing this level of a change um compatibility we're trying to stay on the edge with the Google not breaking any apps and so far he's been successful so that probably the biggest thing and we use a whole bunch of undocumented or under documented ap is that's been a big issue but we have a really good team we know we're doing this is our second try at hybrid we've all read on a third time try hybrid two will be part of PA three point out that was completely written from scratch and all native code it's also thirty percent Master System it's very clean that one we reduce our code size are heap size it's a very more optimized experience and once we merge that in going forward the changes aren't that bad at first are used to be really messy and spread out but we've condensed it and gotten a minimum needed to function on hybrid popular good good but you to sort this to say Iran like CM or AOKP for your challenge to the baguette merges and things like that but the co's out there if you want to go for it I've been it personally I've ported it to different roms and things like that it's not impossible one thing I would really noticed with CM especially I know AOSP has to let you move a ton faster just because it took I mean especially with cm9 and Ice Cream Sandwich came out it about time they really got stable work even for the Nexus devices that's when Google dump jellybean out on everyone is they were adding so many more features every on a daily basis almost you know that it kind of slowed them down to a crawl almost yeah yeah because of that we're missing like key features like the weather things in the battery percent even focusing on are you innovative features once the point I was out and stable beacons are looking in implementing CM features and different rom community trysts then some can be overkill feature wise I mean so it's not some not such a bad thing to be close to stock a lot of people really prefer it yeah definitely I mean especially as a stockist but getting better so yeah ever since four-point-oh came out a lot of the stuff that's just really become unnecessary the one thing that we do miss the most is very person that's on the to do this is just there's so many other things to do um in terms of the community features our toggles we're more less creature can put on those on we have we implemented the CM version of the navbar editor so we have that in and we have a powerup color so we have all the navbar colors and like that we have our own version of black screen targets that we're not used to seeing more FB version we have our own which is more we wanted to preserve the Google always unlocked so you can unlike anyone the circle so we have more of a launcher row on the lock screen so we have our own version of that arm we will want to pioneer expanded desktop so we have that in Iran we also have our own implementation of a killer alden recents where we place a resource button with a new button that kills all your apps except the last one we double press to kill the last app so again that was one of our unique features that we had and weary after to the version 3 I actually have a question about expanded desktop and pod nope now currently from if I'm wrong here to enable pie I need to have expanded desktop enable correct on the current versions yes in the next version we do have the ability if you have the pie on the left or right side to keep the status bar okay because right now I was curious as to why it's it you have to go to two separate places to enable but if thats good those changes coming then that make that makes perfect sense then the reason we have like that now is we didn't want any UI clashes where if you brought down the notification or quick settings tray how would actually show up over the button so you can push push it up okay if you have it on the bottom things like that so we're trying to avoid that kind of thing okay well that's good explanation now I know because I also confused at first but now that I know that things are in the pipeline in in the build i have now super alpha beta secret double secret probation version yeah i'll have to check that out um but yeah I i flashed a new version right before the show here and I interesting off to check that out so I can see you're saying saying then on this version that i have now i can i enabled and have the bottom and turn off or turn off expanded desktop yeah the plan implementation is you'll set your you go to stock UI I and you put your navbar size 20 and then enable pie and the pie would be a bear pie with no that s information but you also have your size for up top interesting okay i will check that out and the next day we also fix all the keyboard issues where the keyboard wouldn't disappear and we fix motifs with lock screen issues where you have your status bar on the black screen and get your notifications and that kind of thing okay great also you mean you guys are constantly making changes fixes adding to it so yeah I'm curiously the next version will have a quick pop up for notifications where when you're enabled pie and expanded desktop a brief pop-up will show you car notification and I'll be clickable so you have quick access to that without having to pull up pike to your new notification that you know and that that that's actually great that that solves a lot of the the issues with not being able to easily as easy get to your notification so that that solves that right there yeah it's an ownership we're working on it yeah I like it that's good yet another Anglin and we working also working on a vertical text mode for pie some people don't like the circle text so it's in the two on the to-do list very good no k alright um if we don't have any other questions for Aaron here Aaron told us so what they have planned in the pipeline coming down in the future and the answered a whole bunch of questions about paranoid android if and as well as they're an innovative features such as pie and made Parappa settings um nobody has any other questions for him go ahead and wrap this up here dan nate scott jawn uh what's your website for paranoid android where can people go to find more information about it I'm roms fine downloads the official page is actually a google plus page okay we do have a website but we tend to use google plus marks it's just easier to have comments and that kind of thing that's just paranoid android on google + 0 + paranoid android correct and then to find your your rom you have to download it from like XD a routine XDA & goo that i am yeah actually I get mom we're actually good friends with other guys that more so Dan than me I guess but we know we we know them we've actually had the google the Gouda i am guys on the show in the past so I assume it's also in goo manager for people that wanna download it through that correct and it's yeah now Scott you've been running it on your your nexus 4 for the past hour and a half correct yes how is that hour and a half been little you know I'm so used to a different realm it's it's different and definitely the settings you can dive a lot more you know Mizer's my initial impressions I haven't dug real deep but I mean it seems like that there's a lot more to it and a lot more customizability with regards to setting it up I'm excited to dive a little bit deeper into it tomorrow and your bus ride to work going there to this / app settings and just start just start tapping on everything all the everything and break it no illegal items it keeps them back as the lack of that Live Paint unicorn wallpaper that he keeps on this phone all the time for every device we also have a prebuilt setup / app settings a certain apps on certain size to buy his work better so this also did pretty good default set in there so for like certain devices chrome for example you could have the UI with the tabs on top versus the full screen you I oh and gmail is probably the best example on phones gmail works so much better with a dual paying you I so that should be a default setup yeah I noticed that I I don't see all the cool stuff on the Nexus 7 because i already have tablet UI for all my apps it's really it's really cool for you know for phones for the nexus 4 and Galaxy Nexus worth really well know to just because the screen real estate and like eat I'd like Aaron said is gmails the most significant application it's just it doesn't even make sense the gmail navigates the way it does on phones after using it that okay I will Erin thank you for joining us again maybe we'll have you back on the show some other time when you guys release some more cool stuff for your rom and perhaps a big news you want to announce you're always welcome to come back anytime you want and talk about anything android related well hopefully next time we don't have as much technical difficulties getting here but it was great to have you it's all right thank you very much anything else you want to say any shoutouts or anything cheers oh there's the team you've been a lot of work than going in everyone should appreciate the effort by her pro app but really it really does help a lot there's only four of us so it's a lot it's a huge time commitment and that kind of stuff support your developers definitely starts all right Scott so where can everybody find us when they're not watching us live or listening to his live well every day after the show Andrew authority calm straw into the bottom right there's a little on-air section we posts / Derek posts a little summary of every episode also you can find us on soundcloud itunes youtube yeah all right and uh thanks again guys in and have a good night