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welcome to android authority on air the original android hang out chill on google+ I'm dare cross and this week I'm joined by fellow android authority writers in youtube sensation nurse Joshua Vergara and Christopher walk as well as Johnathan Franklin returning guests and returning long time guest dan Charlton what's up guys how you doing good to be here thanks for having us yeah well not everyone how's it going nowicki I love your backdrop I mean I got the androids in the back here you know my little google android shrine if you will and then I see your badass guitars in the back like you're doing it right you know what I mean like that is like that is a backdrop to have I love it it's actually just the background of my office like any of the videos i do on youtube it's just the cameras there and facing the other way and then everyone here is like you have an office that's that's where the magic comes from his video reviews in his articles that he writes and and Josh we see your backdrops you're you're a new camera you got for your going to Mobile World Congress aren't you yes I am I decided you know I needed to up my game because it's gonna be just three days of madness so I picked up picked up in your camera for the trip very nice very nice and uh as you guys can see Scott is not joining us this evening he's m.i.a hope all is well anyway so it's what we're gonna talk about this we go we normally go into app reviews talk about you know what's popular the past week when new apps and came out apps got updated all the same old dance every week but since the Super Bowl is tomorrow we're gonna start out by talking about you know some apps on Android to help you stay up to date with the Super Bowl if you're not able to watch your out in and out or if you need something to do while you're watching the Super Bowl although we're gonna hit some rumors because this this week had all sorts of rumors all over the place for various upcoming devices rumored devices it may or may not be illegal to do certain things with your mobile devices in the US now and we're going to talk about some ecosystem stuff little bit of root and rom and as usual and Dan's going to yell about something about patents as usual because Dan does and we love them for that so super bowl well what are you guys doing for the super bowl ban you have any big plans uh not really no I'm gonna go watch games and friends i don't know that i really call it a super bowl party just me and several friends i have that all live in one house together so just hang it out really alright how about you John any big of foosball plans Oh for the first part of the Super Bowl i'll actually be partaking in some of these apps because i have to work until eight o'clock and then i'll catch the rest of it when i get to the house alright how about you Josh any big super bowl plans for tomorrow I'm mostly staying home but aside from watching the game just two words wing stop so gonna probably get like a 50 pack and just go nuts on the food don't put the Atomics um maybe like flies yeah I have we don't you gotta have wings of wit is super bowl you know I'm a big fan of wings how about you wookie what he doin eating wings um maybe I literally actually didn't know these super bowl those are until you just said that was playing at rutecki you know what I will have to agree well since we had to reschedule the show from our normal night Thursday night I was talking to the guys say hey sh-sh-sh we do it you know Friday night Saturday Sunday night and my boy Johnny Frank here he's like well sunday is a super bowl was like huh I guess it is so yeah i'm not a huge super bowl fan I I always you know you gotta watch you know for the commercials right I love the super bowl commercials um yeah I'm not a big football fan and never have been i always played other sports in the fall such as soccer so I never really got into football but uh football i will i will pay attention a little bit you know so i can be a man and talk about it from time to time um so uh so let's get into some some apps that those of you that care about the superbowl well what can you do with you the mobile apps John well in my case I work on Sunday and used to work on saturday so a lot of kind of laugh a lot of times I had to improvise and kind of keep track of the games from apps so you really got a lot of good apps out there that lets you set up your own favorite teams and watch live feeds kind of on the go and the first one definitely the most popular one is going to be ESPN scorecenter and of course if you got a ESPN account it's going to sync up all of your teams and give you customized alerts and from there you can watch any kind of life you know game feed like you wouldn't a web browser directly from the application and you can get a notification straight from the app and you know get it on a widget too if that's your thing and uh they it was not long ago that I've got completely redesigned so it's pretty nice the second one is a CBS or caster and it's pretty similar to ESPN and that you can customize your own news feeds and your sports teens but you'll also pull in a Twitter feed of relevant commentators during the game that you can kind of keep track of the if you're not in a place where you can listen to it through radio or watch it any kind of way than uh do the commentators pretty much stay on top of the game in a sec to eat at hmm that sounds like you're pretty neat app so you it's just a feed of commentators people on Twitter you know talking about talking about the game you know that gives you both sides to and it gives you their opinions on even if a penalty is about to be overturned their their whining about it so it's always kinda gunfighter you keep you right in action right with them ah there's another one called throughs th uuz sports and you know all these apps can I have a common theme where you can customize your teams and get push notifications but uh this one's a little bit different in that it ranks your games by the level of excitement so if you got a team is just getting destroyed and blown out that it's going to rank pretty low and it's going to tell you that's a pretty boring game to watch a really close match of really exciting games going to get boosted up to the top and you know it's gonna John with it with thew sports a on an interruption here I actually talked to their app developer recently on the Thieu sports app comes on the Hisense pulse one of the newer of Google TV set-top box devices and whenever i wrote my review on the on it for some reason i called it the thews i call it thugs so they know they're like you know you know we will you know we're not entirely hardcore no we're not thugs but you know thanks for referring to us is that her he emailed me saying something like that I to go back and edit the article in the I'm always caught I don't know it's been in my head ever since I saw us all the app you know long time ago I've always called a thugs and apparently I was wrong all this time felt kind of merit but hey dream for them to yeah doe flattering right I thought I thought you guys were you know where Leo we're hardcore yeah your thugs you know yeah but the good thing about that does make sense for Google TV because it does give you a if you're on you know whatever your network provider you can actually put that into the app and they'll find a game for you if it finds a exciting game that's it's really good if you're kind of a casual fan that just really likes to see the really close matches and the ones that kind of have those down to the last second kind of finishes it's a good at the kind really keep a heads up for those kind of games does against it since connecting the TV so you can jump straight to like the live game if you get that channel that's a good question i haven't answered a question i will actually try that out just to say that I did it report back loaded in the comments yeah yeah so what is there any other is there an official app for the superbowl John you know official NFL sponsored to happen the official one is just NFL 2012 it wasn't really one better apps and most of these apps on here also let you track in any kind of sports that you could possibly want to watch um there is what used to be score mobile it's called the score now and it's pretty similar to the rest of it just got a holo UI update and different Navigation but it's good for lightweight there is one though called a super bowl 47 guide and it's provided by Verizon Wireless but you can you know get it on anything and it's actually for people that are touring in New Orleans and let you find events and local restaurants and nightlife and points of interests and you can create calendar events a book Arkham so it's good for the people traveling there alright alright so there there's a handful of different ways to you know find out get your sports information on Android obviously so these are a few choices uh if you have something else that you use to stay in tune with you know sports or the Super Bowl or football whoa you know let us know in the comments and I will be sure to add it to the list this work one more thrown in there just somebody wants to watch the live stream this first row one you because you can literally watch the streaming video online ok first row 1 dot EU I put a comment so if anybody wants to get it but ok I need you ever used or I guess really even heard of google's official sports app i remember it it's called scoreboard i think we pretty much never to use the team's you want to follow and we'll keep you up to date on it I don't know if anyways it's not a particularly popular app from Google considering some of their other ones like you know maps no I'm so I'm curious what Google now will do so let's say you you had a couple different football teams in your you know in your Google now sports card configuration even if one of your team's doesn't make it to the Super Bowl will you get a Super Bowl score just because it's football it probably will okay i guess i guess we'll find out tomorrow yeah i guess with google now if you can sort of pick sports that you care about right like i don't necessarily follow one team in football but I care about pro football well in and actually google now in sports related this week yeah random Lee people started noticing that you can actually put college sports teams in there oh you can finally yeah yes previously you were only able to put you know pro pro teams in there so if you were a you follow collegiate sports you know you were at not so not so happy but right now I have Penn State basketball listed in there and I had the Ohio go score pop up the other night so yeah I was not now one thing is I couldn't actually go into the sports car Dan configuration and add my own team I had to do you remember when Google now first came out you actually had to search for your team and then it became a card so that's how you have to do it now I tried to add it by the card earned by the card set up under settings and I searched for Penn State and it didn't work but so then I went to a google search i typed in penn state basketball and then i looked at my phone and huh it says the iowa games tonight you know so it okay to try the old-fashioned way that that worked for me so there must have been a server-side patch update in the past week but so those of you that like I said like collegiate sports congratulations you are now able to get those card notifications because Spartan basketball there you go so let's talk about some device rumors we had a lot this week and more about more rumors about the galaxy s4 from Samsung now the HTC m7 some more information about that Motorola X phone and Qualcomm and all sorts of stuff so uh let's talk about the big guy I mean they're all big but I think what a lot of people are excited for the upcoming samsung galaxy s4 um the most recent tidbit of information about this phone says that an internal contest by a mobile retailer in New Zealand but one of their flyers from their contest got out and it said that the winner of this contest is what is going to get there a galaxy s4 and the contest just happens to end on april eight so if the contest ends on a 48 and it says the winner is going to at a handset chances are it's going to be launched right around then and that kind of corresponds of the previous rumors saying that it was going to be available April fifteenth the week of april fifteenth so somewhere around there so i would definitely put that as you know second week of of april it's definitely gonna be available just because you know we've seen that a few different times now yeah i got like i said premio previous leaks said that there's going to be a mobile unpacked event here in the united states in march which one ounce the phone coming out a few weeks later sometime in april i don't know i think there's reason to doubt the advertisement that was dropped as well just given the language didn't even say galaxy s4 just said samsung s4 well I call it the s3 right now in the s2 right but there's an implied G in front of that you don't write it like that I don't know i right sgs3 or sgs2 or samsung gs2 i hope yeah but i hear people all the time say hey what phone he'll all I've the s3 you know it's just yeah you also hear people say they have a droid when they're holding it I don't know LG something Detroit ever well mostly obviously would happen the next few weeks but I'd like to think that because it's a mobile a flyer that people that are in the know you know the new they it was implied oh I think the timing is realistic I'm just questioning whether or not the people who wrote the advertisement earn the No or whether or not people who wrote the advertisement or just guessing that that's when it's going to come out because that's the else is saying it's going to come out that's sort of what it is to be honest because probably the timing corresponds yes and then in April we should be seeing something like a galaxy s4 or something big from Samsung coming up but whoever made that advertisement just knew nothing probably yes that's what I think yeah I just have this this isn't corroboration this is just everybody else's speculation leading to more stuff based on that speculation you know what that does make sense because I've seen people give away devices that aren't even announced when they are coming now yet you know hey we're gonna give us away you know I call you know but we have ever we can get our hands on one yeah yeah so so that that's entirely possible i will give you that they are just playing along with the rumor saying you know what we are going to give one away but i'd like to think with the amount of rumors we've been hearing about such as the screen size you know and the processor yeah but this time last year we heard a ton of absurd rumors about how the galaxy s3 was gonna have a transparent and flexible display it was gonna be edgeless and it was gonna be magnificent it was gloomy the most extraordinary thing since sliced bread and you know what they sold a whole how a lot of fun not saying it's a bad phone I'm just saying that we heard all of these ridiculous rumors and everybody got their hopes up but that it was gonna be this like magnificent manna from heaven and of course it was just you know a cell phone there's a point where it's just a cell phone well my argument a year ago was that they didn't sell us the specs day and they sold us the S package they sold us software their marketing was all about yes this ask that as this and as that yeah maybe and I think they're building their brand that way and I think they're they're gonna do that even further with the s4 they're gonna come out there and you know move more towards know there s platform if you want to call it that that's my thought so moving on to more rumors HTC is going to have a event here februari 19th interesting enough they're going to have one in London and in New York City usually you don't see two events happening on the same day in different cities different continents you know announcing the same device so maybe I don't know well what I mean there's the m7 as well as two other new devices right Dan yeah they also have built an m4 and ag2 um the m7 has been pretty well leaked in terms of what it's supposed to look like the m4 though is looking more like the 1s or a placement the sort of the middle of the road one it's supposed to have a 4.3 inch 720 display which is still extremely pixel density and on the map but it's probably pretty close to the 1085 inch ones in terms of density so you aren't losing a whole lot on that other than just physical real estate I suppose have a 1.2 gigahertz dual-core Qualcomm what I would soon is an s4 pro processor so that would be a dual core Krait not quite second generation but almost they are paired with the audrina 320 GPU so the same GPU that's in the quad cores but that's I mean that's speculation at this point and then a 13 megapixel camera that's supposed to also be an am-7 paired with the image sent sense chip I would assume and then the g2 is supposed to be the small or the you know the smaller one the budget end at three and a half inch hvga screen on a wonder your processor so certainly a very budget levels on there you know what in you know that does make sense to have additional phones out there besides just the m7 because you know there was three versions of the you know the one series initially so sure in these all and unlike save certain other platform manufacturers HTC wanted to compete every where they want to be able to sell phones in China they want to be able to sell phones in india they want to be able to sell phones in africa where people aren't going to pay six hundred and fifty dollars for the phone they're going to pay fifty dollars for phone and they're going to get whatever features you can get for fifty dollars for phone because that's what they can afford yeah the least if that's true with the mid-range i mean i've had a chance now to look at those dual core s fours that's not dragons a few times oh yeah they actually they do really well oh sure they're great processors the new the new budget crate processors great processors but we had sloshes rightly call comes just going to eat up the low-end market with those so I'm still I'm still a little confused about this the m7 you know we've seen pictures of it it looks like a droid DNA exactly what it looks like the DNA and there's a rumor still that it might come to verizon that just does not make i don't i don't believe that rumor that just doesn't make any sense to me no i totally agree i don't think that verizon is going to have to funds that clothes from the same manufacturer because they don't want to confuse people more than they already have with everything else i don't know i could see them going for it just because HTC might want to sever itself from that droid line so to speak just to roll out an m7 on every US carrier what if verizon has it on the slate to do essentially what they did with the DNA where AT&T and i'll get the one eggs and then verizon wants to rebadge it with a you know basically a version two it's slightly better hardware and throw it out at Christmas times they can make a ton of money on yeah I can see Verizon holding off and doing a droid sort of offset from the end that their primary line of ones or ms or what I call it the droid DNA to maybe it'll be the m7 I think the Thunderbolt has pretty much lost its legacy at this point you know what we're gonna talk about that right now cuz you brought it up John the Thunderbolt 16 months after ICS release this past week verizon rolled out the android 4.0 for update for that ancient beast you know android 4.1 has been out for 15 16 months verizon doesn't care they're getting it to the Thunderbolt you know a year and a half they're you know they're rolling it out where's my jelly bean burger I just want to point out Derek that I supported Android 4.1 Thunderbolt before Santa Jamaat did I probably long before HTC in verizon dead on your uh your team it ROM team at Colonel kernels yeah all right what's a 16 month old phone that's I mean if people got it when it first 16 months old I was it work both yeah yeah I was just saying 16 months ago android 4.0 was announced oh there yet the Thunderbolt is actually verizon's very first LTE film yep it's about oh yeah right so it's it's what two years old on I love you more mugs ish yeah so it is in so you know right around now is the time where people were getting upgrades anyway so they're gonna be getting a jellybean phone but hey you you got ice if you're not eligible yet you're getting ice cream sandwich on that Thun alright so back back to rumors sorry about that uh I want to talk about the motorola x phone because we had we had some juicy tidbits info come out about this phone this week so for those of you that aren't aware the X phone was originally brought up from The Wall Street Journal am going to say two months ago or so saying that Google was going to be working on an X phone and I'm sorry not it is google motorola / google was working on it an X phone and an X tablet and immediately everyone was like oh my god shut up and take my money so uh any time we hear rumors about this it makes us android fans a little giddy inside um so a little background on this before we get to the rumor on the q4 earnings call last week Larry Page said that phones shouldn't go splat when you drop them and he also said that phones should last through the entire day so what does that mean well phone should be you know not break easily and they should have a big-ass battery so following up what he said this past week we had some new rumors about the X phone we heard rumors saying that it's going to have a Kevlar chassis which obviously would help it not go splat um there's been previous rumors that Google is looking into like ceramics or something with a bender a bendable we're flexible type display so you know we didn't hear anything about that this week we didn't hear about a Kevlar chassis arm and we also heard that it's gonna have a huge battery think you know like razr maxx style here I got a huge battery interesting enough it's going to have a really good camera supposedly we heard that it's going to have a sony camera and a four point eight inch screen a micro SD card quad core processor and stock android now that that's the coolest thing you know and why paint stock android so my question to you guys is is is it is this a shut up and take my money device you know do you believe these rumors to be true what you know what are your thoughts on this if these rumors become I'd say rumors that they are going to become true today I would say yes because I've been waiting for a long time ever since of Google got acquired motorola i should say motorola mobility mobility and what I've been looking to see out of them just hasn't materialized until now and everything that you said like coming from like save me know okay we know that people hate it when there's a great phone out there and it's missing key features like batteries expandable memory something stuff like that Motorola's proven already that they can have all of that the razr maxx to me was a great phone that thing could last for gates and if that's gonna be in this phone expandable memory big screen stock Android I think that's a really big deal plus people go nuts for those sony camera sensors people young loves sony cameras yeah they make really good cameras I think the nexus can assess the software bar is a reference design and to me motorola needs to be google's way of showing OEMs that you can be competitive without making the software look like garbage basically you need to shut though a premium hardware device on the market that says look we'll give you everything that the s4 has will give you everything that HTC has to put out and we're going to do it with better looking software with faster updates and with a better overall user experience and just blow them out of the water and force them to catch up yeah I mean I think it's still important to note that there's a difference between releasing the device running stock Android and releasing a device that is part of a OSP yeah you can release a device that has customized proprietary hardware or software on it that is still running stock Android you put a customized camera app that still runs against the stock frame work you put in a customized calendar or email or whatever other applications you want that's still run against the stock framework and you have an advice that you can pretty much support from any Android based platform with easy updates where all you have to do is just roll out app updates quite quick question if I you guys sorry um yeah if Motorola is coming out with this or rather let's say motor rugal is coming out with criminals blood or something weekend um what did what were you guys have thoughts on motoblur do you think this is going to be the death of motoblur if this is the trend from now on with motorola and google keeping up i think it will depend on the market if this gives traction in a way that Motorola really hasn't been able to outside of the razor series on verizon then I think yeah it'll start a trend that they'll don't stick with but I don't think if it doesn't get traction I think they'll continue to explore other opportunities hmm they've been moving closer to stock as far as to look and feel anyway and I don't think it's that big of a change for them to really go all out stopped because they really haven't put a ton of customizations on top of it aside from some image assets you're here nothing really really major and they did they do have some useful stuff like Smart Actions no I I'm hoping that this does come to fruition I hope it comes to motorola's long time friend verizon uh I hope that it comes with an unlocked bootloader if not I'm sure somebody in the android community you know we'll make that that that problem go away but but I'm hoping that the you know we have to deal with that um I I'm excited i will buy it the moment that it's announced if these features are true if some people are saying oh it's a four point eight inch screen and you know the trend today is five inches well you know what two tenths of an inch with no bezel or in a very very small bezel is gonna be fine uh you're not gonna you're not gonna hate you nothing so so we'll see obviously I'll in a few months rumors you know may come true they may not we'll find out come google i/o I assume that's when this is supposed to be targeted now i'm going to one more thing to the rumor mill that I think the X phone is real and something back it up is this past week motorola mobility posted a job opening on linkedin for a manager a product manager for the motorola x film and then and then the job posting went away so either someone at motorola is trolling the hell out of everybody in you know posting a job a job for an unannounced device and then taking it down or the phone is definitely real and it's coming so i would highly doubt them to be trolling the world i think that would be great though if they were yes that would be hilarious yeah right now right now they're sitting there you know it's a Saturday night they're all out you know reading all the android blogs and you know a news blogs all over the world toasting and laughing and then we told them it was an actual job position you know oh yeah yeah that can happen but but i doubt it yeah so I'm vibing on the razr maxx so so what do I know so wiki you have a variety on verizon up yes um you're on verizon and john you on verizon is it if these things come out you you you buying it at a contract right away oh I don't know if I want to be tied down to a contract right away at that point to be honest I'm saying out of contract like it you know if it's whatever the you know retail price is yeah would you would you if you're not ready for an upgrade or you know what would you buy it do you my with verizon or to switch carriers well Josh well Josh was already on verizon and I'm saying as well yeah exactly so the phone comes out on verizon you aren't ready for an upgrade yet year you know would you spend 600 bucks if it costs 600 bucks off contract on it I usually never buy phones off contract to be honest the only one that I would would be the next explore for obvious reasons but yeah if if it was that good though I might try to find the deal maybe find someone on ebay who used it for a week and then grabbed it that way yeah well I have the DNA right here I would get rid of that in a heartbeat for the motorola x phone if these specs and features are all true and you know motorola makes great radios and great hardware that's already proven fact so I I'm excited i and i hope i hope it has strictly gonna be running qualcomm radio what's that Dan I said it's almost certainly gonna be running on a clock on radio so what you're saying is AOSP support for custom roms is going to be a big pain in the butt but you know what run stock Android I don't need a custom wrong the good thing with motorola's just antenna design well they did get in times long there AOSP give me that difficult because the nexus 4 also runs a qualcomm hey all right so same processor probably clocked up to 1.7 acres so since we're talking about qualcomm dan your your favorite chipset developer let's talk about a leak from them this past week so somebody got ahold of some documents they weren't supposed to and then Qualcomm said hey take those down and so there's there's nothing like you know to confirm a rumor when takedown requests are served so anything interesting from their roadmap Wow mean things that we can kind of already guess they say they said they would have a test device in q2 2013 for the unveiling of Android key lime pie that kind of makes sense because Google i/o is going to be in q2 chances are a new version of Android will be announced k is the next letter in the alphabet it's already been rumored to be key lime pie multiple times so having it come out of google i/o all those stars align correctly it looks like it's going to happen so what I'm most intrigued about is they said they were going they were going to have a device running key lime pie so is that just their internal test device or are they going to be testing a new device to launch on their new processor running key lime pie so what the lights are they talking about they talk about a new Nexus device or you know um I'm uh I'm interested I suspect they're talking about dozens of devices could they be talking about the motorola x phone damn i think that's possible i think they're probably talking about that and tons of other devices because the new Snapdragon six and eight hundred are supposed to be in the market around that time so and they've already said they've got what like 150 partners like devices lined up for those something ridiculous like that so yeah I'm sure they're talking about not just one device but tons of them I'm sure they'll probably also update their mobile phone reference I came up with a weird acronym they use for their phone reference device it recently updated their tablet and they usually do their phone in the spring yeah what what's the time frame for the PDK now three months ahead of the final software release I think when they get they basically giving vendors like Qualcomm time to get platform developer kit yeah it's usually between in one and a half in three months between when the job with her own phone makers actually have a phone ready yeah it probably would lose some form of code for oh yeah no no they're seeing them already out to to distribute their joels all right so let's talk about another another rumor speculation going oh it's pretty much confirmed at this point a white Nexus 4 showed up originally on picasa because that's where android phones go to leak all over the place once they pretty much come to picasa you know they're real I mean that unfortunately that that's how it goes but uh it was only one picture now then two days later a Vietnamese website posted a dozen Nexus 4 photos from various angles close-ups and everything so it's pretty it's real at this point so my question is is why are we seeing a white Nexus 4 when the black one can't even stand stock yeah anybody have any thoughts about that it's a little ridiculous they can't keep the one that got in stock and they're planning either one on the other hand I think that it shows that are planning on ramping up their production it very least to bring out another color means you no more supply of some kind if nothing else that's what I was thinking too I wonder if LG is putting together just a massive amount of devices black or white and they're all just going to come out of once at some point yeah you now I hate and it wasn't just LG or Nexus devices you know Samsung it did it before you know almost every manufacturer does this they released the standard color and then a few months later they released the cool colors you know the you know they released the whites the blues the reds or whatever so what the hell are that you supposed to do for the people that pre-ordered and bought it they won you know what and what if they wanted a cool color what if they wanted a white Nexus you know what so what are they supposed to do they supposed to try to sell their black one you know on swapper or ebay and then go out and buy a brand new and in end up probably losing money I mean why can't you released a white one and a black one at the same time I I don't understand great thing about the white Nexus once you've got it you can paint it any color you already at home so they need to be selling a nexus with it with a black paint kit or red paint kit yeah they'll just know you can buy the Paint separately for 75 expires you can change it every day might be hard to paint all the sparkly blast though well you know I'm sure you could take it to a nexus customization shop John and oh no get it done for that that'll be a nice little glitter sprinkle it on there though what is the rookies gonna start this up in New York he's gonna follow for articles of incorporation tomorrow Nexus sparkle it's already done it's already done well do it right there for you in the subway it took me like 20 bucks and maybe 15 minutes worth of work to replace the entire outside shell of my galaxy nexus to polish it up and why can't they just sell an entire shell kit and be done with it make it easy for the users of swap it out and that is exactly that's exactly what i was thinking am I I feel like the only one sometimes that mrs. those days when you would get phone and you can go to like an Asian market somewhere and they have like the entire shell available in different colors and you can customize your phone so easily I missed that so much um honestly I'm happy that this white Nexus is coming out I honestly sometimes I prefer white phones over the black ones in this case not so much but I like that they have a choice I would love to see them come out with more colors but I kind of miss the days when you would just be able to pop the back off and then place it with something else and also you have a different looking phone yeah I mean I get that you can't just pop it out and change it but it does seem stupid that they release them separately right like look at Apple as everybody always does right like they release white and black at the same time in all the different size variants all at once rolled out done one shot right okay so that's something apples I'm ready yeah with Android you get the black 16 gigabyte model and then three months later you get the 32 my model and then 32 three months later you get the white one and then three months later you get the white 32 gigabyte one and then you get them to max HD LTE 4G you know yeah yeah yeah all right so so let's move on to some devices that we actually know about instead of just speculating uh you know Dan you had an interesting tidbit about the asus padfone 2 yeah so the asus padfone 2 which isn't even on sale in the United States it's only in I think just Japan and Taiwan um has sold nearly 1 million units which is roughly the same number of surface RT's that Microsoft has sold to distributors not to end-users just a distributor Wow yeah yeah loves me loves me some surface RT you know yes so how's that for a unified mobile luffle compute platform microsoft and it costs probably right around the same mount get to buy the the tablet like holding thing and the dock for it and the phone i think is still less than the surface alright so the Sprint Galaxy Nexus it's not dead yet it received android 4.2 point 1 the latest version the up-to-date version of android this past week arm yeah then we get to its ugly cousin the verizon variant which you didn't receive an update this past week but the phone did reach end of life on verizon you you can't buy it anymore so that's that some news imma get it brightly edit results wings verizon can pretend it doesn't exist anymore yeah exactly fries it doesn't have to update it they can it'll kill it um i would assume fingers crossed confidence high then official over-the-air update would be coming soon it generally sprint and you know the verizon variants are not too far off when it comes to updating each other ah my breath yeah but yeah don't go snorkeling the whole like Dan said if Verizon forgets about it just everyone just get routing honestly just get get custom roms just get going like honestly it's the best one to do it for it and you're right you look at it you know Josh you look at the phone and it routes itself it's so easy because there's an access device types three words and you're done yep but but not everybody can do that nor should everybody do that you know what I mean you shouldn't have to do that that's where yet you chose to slave yourself to verizon you know what I have to slave myself to verizon dan i live in the middle of nowhere we only have verizon here or i could have to judge enters they're usually interested in people willing to privately host there yeah okay yeah so what AT&T or t-mobile you want to put a tower in my backyard awesome awesome a good morning yeah I will I will make for it too I know they do forever he's pure fun yeah go ahead and be going to put it you know get my since I it'll be like a jungle gym for my son to play on have you gonna climb the tower you know exactly there's no downside here yeah I know you know and it never Minds me that Simpsons episode from years ago when they put a cell phone tower and lisas bedroom because she liked technology guys remember that episode but yeah I I used to like the Simpsons a lot back in the day yeah uh anyways um so Verizon like we said updated the Thunderbolt this past week and they they they sent out an update for the three year old nearly three year old HTC droid incredible coming August I'm sorry coming up April 29th or April 27th I don't remember which the phone is officially three years old so you know another couple months verizon for yeah well and not the incredible to or the incredible 4G LTE the incredible yeah you're celebrating over there I got irritable that's it so Josh wired up and get your own boobs or update your head is as well the incredible over-the-air update aims to get this lesson random reboots which is not not eliminate just lesson promises here guys yeah yeah I'll pick it up you promised but who'd okay I'm sorry who still uses that they incredible as their i'm sure some people do but got work that works with me does so that mean they had their obviously has to be a lot of people still on the original incredib or that cuz they pushed out an update for it they're just look just a little bit about me this is honestly one of my favorite phones ever like this was one of the most sturdy phones I've ever owned oh so little hey i just sold one on swap the other day it was actually my wife's incredible while and i had an incredible as well we loved those phones yeah yeah they're great friends people were still people stretched and i sold mine for 40 bucks i think yeah until like a week ago i was in use by co-worker mine who had lost his phone yeah the incredibles enough incredible yeah my incredible didn't run danza team at curl ever it wouldn't even boot with his Colonel but my wife's a phone liked his colonel though I don't know what that means yeah I don't know what my I think it had to do with annalynne vs s LCD yeah that could have yeah that's right because verizon for the original ones came with mln right and then they then they had the slc yeah all right so uh let's move on to add an topic here Dan a few days ago it became technically illegal in the United States to carrier unlock your phones yes you want so so what does that mean we're talking about about that yes so the digital millennium copyright act basically says you can't do much of anything that could potentially lead to you illegally downloading copyrighted material or otherwise transcoding stealing transferring the media format in any way really in acquiring other than what the mpaa and RIAA tell you is acceptable um but because that's such a ridiculously broad standard they allow the library of congress to dictate exceptions every year or excuse me every three years and so exceptions are for things like saying it's okay to have books on tape for deaf people because every three years the lobbies for disabled people come and remind the Library of Congress that deaf people still can't hear right so they're going to need to have something in Braille and blind people can't see so they need books on tape and every three years everything else to go and lobby for these things because every three years they're still true three years ago the Library of Congress open the door for jailbreaking or rooting your device seeing them from Apple Apple controls the software Apple controls the hardware and they can tell you what you can and can't do with the software and hardware so that's six hundred fifty dollars you paid was just a nice tiny Brent yeah so this has nothing to do with actually like you know unlocking your bootloader rooting your phone like some people think it's no you know this doesn't affect you putting a custom rom on your phone this is going to affect you buying a locked AT&T device and trying to switch it to tmobile it's just confusing for some people because a lot of people say you know unlock a bootloader unlock and unlocking the phone or carrier unlock you know that because all you say unlocked it's not technically the same thing but yeah so it was a question of what are you unlocking right you say unlock do you in your car doors you mean your house to mean your bootloader do you mean your carrier blocking what do you mean when you say I'm lock there's lots of stuff to unlock and you can buy unlocked phones such as the white Nexus 4 potentially assuming it's not just sold by t-mobile yeah ocwen is only sold by t mobile right now and then in other usage case and you got like verizon which you can move a verizon phone to spread but it's gonna be limited by mean what you're going to buy a verizon which is the worst edition of any of the phones that we come to any carriers with a locked bootloader and move it sprint me no I can see a lot of people doing that so pain it's possible it's a pain it's possible it's just not worth it so I just don't see it being a huge use you know to me no I don't think it's going to affect a lot of people but it's still the legislature itself is crap but yeah you know speaking about the legislature being crap the same week that it became illegal to do this in the United States Canada are cousins up north decided that we should propose legislature to have all carriers unlock all devices for free if the users you know suggested so Canada's doing it right well obviously Canada just loves piracy that's the other thing that's the only explanation there there's steal our prescription drugs and now they want on movies and music to those kids and upstairs American Junior America's pro cap yeah actually as yes yeah that's you know you for calling heard Canada referred to as america's hat no it's America's troll cap you know that that's what it is all right so so let's talk about a little bit of ecosystem news here before we wrap up it's more along lines of you know Samsung and HTC news but it deals with Android as a whole so Samsung was announced to be the top mobile vendor in the US for 2012 they sold more mobile phones then and the any other manufacturer they actually remained king of the market with a mass of fifty-three percent market share so fifty-three percent of all mobile phones sold in 2012 world in the US or Samsung devices that includes dumb phones that does include dumb phones but still samsung is king yeah i mean that's massive I don't care mom sold in the country were made by samsung yeah and that includes dumb phones low-end phones midgrade phones as well as high-end phones and number two second place was Apple at forty three point seven percent so about a ten percent difference but Apple only sells you know high-end you know phones you know the iphone so as the old iPhones and pretends that they're low end phones up there you go okay you're right it's bigger they sell a crapload of those older ones too oh yeah because they they they knock the price down a lot when a new one comes out yes and they forced carriers to pick up the difference because they still charge the carriers the full price that they wear the day they went on sale so Samsung likes the stylist we know this because of the note the note to the note 10.1 and the rumored upcoming 8 the new the north 12 the hook fill in the blank number basically they're nosing all the things with a pen on and to continue their stance on long live the stylus they purchased five percent of wacom and what's that welcome i think a welcome i don't i said walk so walk home wacom whatever they purchased five percent them so so uh who is walk home might ask well they're pretty much what's considered the industry standard for digital drawing tablets basically if you're an artist and you draw digitally chances are you have one of these tablets yep linux you've seen a plugin for Wacom tablets too because it's there by default on ubuntu and several other districts that is so they're they're extremely useful actually it's a black slave you have a pen and it's very responsive so like you said drawing tablets you you can draw with those but they're also really good for really quick usage if you need to do things really quick like video edit so interesting you know they they purchased a five percent of the company obviously they have some motive behind it I mean they have tablets that you can draw on you know that there has to be some correlation there somebody was thinking something along those lines you guys have any thoughts on uh why they're backing this at all just saute you guys are doing it well we're gonna do it too we're gonna help you out throw some money your way it's the beginning of a very tiny it's a tiny beginning of a takeover mall steps okay yeah fine i think it's it's an investment in their future products they want to make sure that welcome has money because they want to make sure the tape have a reliable supply of these beasts I lon yeah if there's anybody that they could go to for really good stylist technology it is welcome it really is you know the thing is I should really remember this better because it was me who wrote a story on it but uh somebody was patenting basically what looked like an alternative to the s-pen that had a ball on the tip that would provide kind of tactile feedback to give you more of a feeling of writing on paper or I remember one of the things they mentioned in the patent was using it for games to be able to provide resistance from the stylist and maybe that could have something to do with Samsung's and dressed in a calm but I don't know about the other way around what's in it for them because they seem to be shooting pretty well anyway cashflow me another thing I think is who says no to billions of dollars so um desktop computers are going touch screen if not you know not necessarily primarily touchscreen one hundred percent yet but with Windows 8 you look at the all in ones and all of them are touchscreen enabled if we ever get to a world with us the standard you know your stylus is going to be for people using Photoshop that's going to be your precision to where it used to be a mouse so you know there's probably still a future for the stylus even in you know 10 years from now forget stuff like that yeah it's all speculation but I mean Samsung does have a computing division and if they in the future they make like yeah touch screens on computers are still not that great but if you have a good surface for a stylist to go nuts on then yeah something like this could lead to a partnership that creates a device so oh go ahead whoever was about to talk I was just going to move on to the next topic but you guys were still talk about Sammy in there there styluses or anything related that that's fine what I was going to say is I just I don't really see a list on a computer touchscreen just because of 41 ergonomic inserm like how hard is it to have a screen that you can look at and also draw up and with a pen that you can use for everyday work I mean I know for example artists will have a thing a display laid back well I can't really imagine for example typing or editing video on a display like that and if you have it up right I'm having a hard time imagining the stylist on that as well I guess I was I guess I was imagining like a yoga so good so it flips all the way back and then you can do what you need on it like kind of like a tablet yeah I know they've tried it before but it's not great so no that would make sense hmm it's nice how the second has come for a full circle back from you know a decade ago when tablets started being made now when the ipad came out contrary to what Apple would have you believe there were tablets before that decade before that when they all had styluses like this yep that was that was the interface mechanism well people criticized about the first note 2 is like wait a stylus again yeah good technology never dies I guess so let's move on and talk about another thing from the Android ecosystem the android community this week we had clarification about last week's decent assists takedown of HTC are you you calm and basically what we speculated on the show last week turns out to that that's kind of truthful um HTC was just protecting their name their trademark that it wasn't because the site in question provided custom roms or even are you used it was because the site had HTC in the domain name it used HTC logos and it was made to look like an official HTC site so they didn't want to confuse customers I mean it makes perfect sense i I'm okay with that explanation they didn't attack the dev community like so many people thought no absolutely i mean from the outset I've seen HTC are you calm before right like I'm familiar with the website from the outset when HTC one after them I wasn't surprised it was obviously trademark infringement yeah everyone is freaking out about how they're going after the deaf community they didn't care about the guy distributing the are you use they cared about the guy using their logo and using their name great distribute whatever you want it's freely accessible they destroyed it on their website and then making money off of that or you want that's fine but don't do it under their name that's illegal of course they're going to go after you for trademark infringement that's a lot of work but like really try to make your site look like an HTC official website to like yeah yeah why waste your time with that make it look like your own thing make it obvious what you're doing don't try and trade on their name I agree all right so let's talk about rune and ramen real quick so CM cyanogenmod released two updates that this week to existing apps the the phone app received a major update if it now gets call logs statistics a lot more than the stock statistics up it's pretty neat you want to check it out on latest nightly if you've got anything in the past couple days you probably actually have the new night new the new phone app with statistics of built-in and you also probably have the new Chronos which is the weather calendar clock widget all in one it's not called Chronos anymore it's called clock or seal off guys however you want to call the background on that is they got they were sent cease-and-desist to stop using Chronos because it was very similar to Cronus which was a trademarked name and they don't do anything similar they're not related at all no they're spelled similar and sound similar I thought that it was the same name just not at all the same thing no it was it was crowded there was an H versus not an H personally I think that should have just changed to do Chronos with a que yeah we're going Robbie's way not Greek but but you know what it makes sense now calling it clock or c-loc because it's off yeah that's a clock on a lockscreen it's kind of a play on words it's and you know it doesn't really matter what they call it in my opinion it's a it's a very cool widget that starts out as a clock if you expand it you know in you know you can drag you know around the screen and to expand the widget if you expand it make it bigger boom here comes whether you expand it even more boom here comes upcoming calendar reminder so it's a very cool widget you know what who cares what it's called me the way they got a new name I don't see why anybody was upset in the first place especially when you have 75 things called carbon right now and all of it to be getting along fine I know that because somebody had a trademark and wanted to feel special about them that's pretty much although that's all it was somebody somebody had a bad day and they want to feel good about yourself no different than Apple we're gonna whine because you over there are more popular than us and we feel sad and pathetic so I'm gonna run my mouth about these patents until you stop and you know admit that I'm better than you because I feel bad what myself somebody get something to their Cheerios no oh and last but not least on the root and rom in front be verizon galaxy note 2 and the Sprint Galaxy Note 2 now have official cyanogenmod 10.1 nightlies Johnathan Franklin are you running one not currently I'm a little bit more time to bake because okay hi welcome other versions using back and forth between 4.2 and 4.1 is kind of a pain because of the multi-user stuff so all right well let me know here in the near future you'll eventually flash it so let me know your number to it pretties I'll just cut all right okay all right so it's a Dan you want to wrap up here with hating on patents and are in our patent war segment as you always love to talk about yeah so we remember in ish alee there had been a preliminary injunction issued against the Galaxy Nexus and this is for the apple vs samsung to trial the one that is just starting now apple head had been issued that injunction and then samsung appealed the appeals court the way it works is they don't actually like the entire court doesn't hear every appeal they'll issue some smaller group to hear it and so the three-person panel that heard the original appeal unanimously decided to throw out the injunction Apple then appealed that decision to the full court basically asking for the entire panel all I think its nine or maybe 12 judges instead of just three to hear their case and that was resoundingly rejected they decided to not hear it at all basically Apple was suggesting that the appeals court was creating new precedent and so that deserved a further hearing and by rejecting that argument the full panel basically agreed with Samsung's view that no apples just dumb and doesn't understand the law here because the appeals court didn't create any new standards at all they just actually applied them which the original judge did not bother doing and that same standard that was set by the appeals court was used by that lesser that lower court judge in the apple one later post-trial bickering to uphold not expanding the damages that had to pay and to uphold not issuing injunctions for their unfriend so there's very sound legal ground it's just that Apple apparently doesn't understand the law you know I've thought for a wild and that they don't understand the law I'm not gonna lie yeah i mean that's that's it's quickly becoming that is that they just don't understand the law i mean when you look at google had to make this week deal with the FCC to get out of FTC to get out of potential antitrust stuff and what they gave up was saying that we're not going to seek infringement or seek injunctions on people infringing fran patents but there's still exceptions to that for example people that refuse to take a license at any fee you can still seek an injunction against them because they're refusing to take a license no matter what that license is G what did Apple say to the court just recently oh that's right they said that they refuse to take a license at any rate so Google still free to seek injunctions against apple for fran patents because apple refuses to follow the law mean it's it's just getting ridiculous and the crowd is quickly falling out from underneath of them as as they keep peeling these decisions it just gets worse for them if they try to peel this one again which they do have the right to do they can try and appeal it to the Supreme Court but that's not going to go their way and it's likely to go their way a lot more harshly than just not being heard well I I'm curious you know how that pans out and then in the near future I'd like to you know like to see Apple get to taste their own medicine but things we are we even on my time are even at all surprised that that's happening that the grounds kind of come out from under honestly because they try so hard to do something that everyone is honestly just becoming tired of you know yeah and the Supreme Court has a lot of leeway in terms of sort of what they can do with the case when they decide to hear it yeah the appeals court is deciding a relatively narrow whether or not this this particular injunction can stand for the particular reasons there in front of them if Apple appeals it to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court decides to pick it up pick it very well expand that to a much broader range of issues that are at hand in these trials and you know start going into patent validity questions and start going into particular litigation practices when it comes to patent cases and do something like say force a USPTO review on patents before allowing a trial to be held on those patents because otherwise you run into problems like the apple vs samsung one case where the jury or words you know nobody can really figure out how much money based on infringement on this particular patent that after the trial we come to find out was invalid in the first place okay so I like to on a personal note close up here by saying that wiki our droid DNA now has a quote on quote working cyanogenmod unofficial rom now it's called working rom but i'm just gonna say that means it boots nod yeah it should really be called a booting wrong because i'll give you a rundown of what works the display good to know oh I did I didn't freeze there that I know so the real with the radio interface library the radio radio doesn't work which means no data arm there's no sensors that work there's no Wi-Fi basically you boot it up you're like cool no no no that's about it but you have to start somewhere I'm not knocking the dev obviously you know drew drew X to keep doing everything you're doing and uh you and the everybody else working on all the other devs working on it keep doing everything you're doing I can't wait to run signage mod on the DNA on neither can I just it's just funny that people were flashing this and like hey I can't get you know stuff to work you know but you're right it means work-in-progress it's a work-in-progress you know hey I can't get Wi-Fi to work what do I need to flash up you know that no nothing nothing works yet like but give it another two weeks or so and what you know I'm sure they'll have everything working at that fingers crossed you know yeah I remember the first time I flashed the first quasi working AOSP base Rob on my EVO like two and a half years ago oh and nothing worked no data no Wi-Fi this play worried you could kind of get touched to work sometimes everything was broken that was like signed a pre cyanogenmod six yeah so eventually devs do what they do best no they get stuff to work we just gotta give him time so if you have the DNA you're watching this you're listening to this just wait i'll let you know trust me the moment it becomes workable it teases a daily driver I will scream from the heavens and let everybody know that it is time to flash it is time to have a senseless an AOSP rom for an amazing piece of hardware all right so where can you find us every week when we're not live on air you can find us at android authority calm you can find us on YouTube which is youtube.com / android authority you can find us on soundcloud which is alcohol calm / android authority on twitter android off as well as the place i hate facebook and the place i love google plus so find us on the internet find it somewhere listen to us on the show we are live every Thursday night normally except for this week the stars were not aligning so we couldn't do the show Thursday night but we're glad we can give you a show before the weekend was over John thanks for coming Dan thanks for coming josh great to see again my friend wiki hmm just kidding wolf you love you man great to see buddy I have tonight guys