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welcome to android authority on air the original android hangout show on google+ I'm derrick rose and I'm Scott Anderson I'm Dan Charlton I'm Johnathan Franklin and we are joined this week with Sebastian DeWitt from doubletwist Sebastian is the creep or decrease the chief creative officer for double twist he has worked for companies in the past such as Apple HP t-mobile HTC Sony EA originally from the Netherlands he's been featured in numerous Dutch newspapers for international design he's a frequent speaker at major design events he's led workshops he's basically a design badass it sounds like so Thank You Sebastian for joining us to talk this about double twist and the new magic radio service that you guys unveiled about a week ago yeah thanks so much reverence I think you guys it's been fun talking to a lot of people online that I drove into a gadget the comic to the bridge come within some point even and well let's say this one will be low I'm sure this will be a lot more pleasant than that it's been really fun to positive real never ever look at the comments yeah the comments especially there's a youtube comment so you guys watching on YouTube right now we only want to see good comments cuz no comments about my cat if you should my cat smashed and she always jumps up in the chair during the show you know I try to keep her out of that the people love it so you know the internet loves cats right so you know we don't mind it all right so like I said you guys uh you guys been around for a number of years uh is it music service for for Android and recently you pushed out magic radio and magic radio is a music discovery service a platform that allows you to stream music to your favorite android device so Sebastian can you tell us a little bit more about magic radio you know how it how it differs from what else is out there on the market you know like such as you know Spotify or Pandora things like that sure so we started magic radio initially because we felt like we were at a really good spot with a player that you know you could your existing library you know tiny to itunes or would be a player with the files you have but like everybody else you know i enjoyed using Spotify or Pandora for all the music don't have on my desk I don't want to store like I don't even give so we want to really get into that game sort of seemed like the natural place for us to go and one of the biggest frustrations I have my wife uses bendera all the time and when she plays madura it just it seems like the same closest keep repeating over and over again and it's actually because their libraries it's pretty small and magic radio we we partnered with a catalogue ever that's conservative politically be big like we both million small talk easily several 10 more than pandora so that that already gives us a big edge on them and we we also try to obviously were not like a huge flavor weekend like elbowing huge deals like giving people practically a little bit music with ads but we also wanted to make something that if I co a bad pre experience so we begin people you know a 970 a limited trial without any ads then you can play so like a small fee per month it's for continuing that yeah and then the fee actually that's what three ninety-nine a month that's very very reasonable yep yeah and some people are giving us flat because it's you know you have to sign up through google wallet to start a trial but it's actually the only integrated you're in a good way like it doesn't automatically cancel some people say oh you know that's kind of tricky behavior door trying to like weasel this any money but we want to make it easier to camp out of it look right now Google Wallet subscription api's are just not easy at all so we're going to add whatever working on that with Google as well but for now it gives it really really solid experience if you like it it's perfect if not yeah you know what I am I tried out it's actually not that bad i mean it pops up into a web browser for for google wallet and you you click to two buttons i mean you click buy you know it's not that bad i do it is yeah it's really not bad I can't believe you guys are getting complaints about that i mean i didn't have same problems at all yeah that's good alright so we are the big things oh sorry things i wanted to improve on Pandora and Spotify actually as well one of my major issues with that was simply sort of knowing what you want to listen to but the door itself usually really want to pick a certain artists or you know you have to start a station a very limited criteria and with Spotify you kind of build wrong playlister they're doing radio now which is nicer but it's still a little bit sometimes you just kind of feel like a certain mood or you want to have a certain you know genre and say and we really wanted that to be such a part of like our first part of the product so I know as always with soph rights with the arts pick what you put in that first version but for us is the tricky part was getting food base stations and genre base stations right in the first release so we have that I really like that yeah so I stick to cheat I picked a in a mood station you know because I'm not used to seeing you know play music by mood so I thought that was pretty neat so I picked the mood epic you know cuz I was like why not you know that it's supposed to be music sort of pump me up right and well oh you know I can't remember do you guys remember what was that first song that popped up when I was playing that it was a movie is from a movie Titanic well Titanic was my fake was won over that really wasn't a pump up that was what was the first one oh I don't remember a bit but it was it was like a pump up well yeah we were getting ready it was it was epic music I liked it offical I mean it was that most of the development that went into it like there was a lot of thinking behind the scenes of how to accurately describe and portray a mood and you know yes how did how did you guys come up with the mousse it would for the different you know kinds of music and I think we lost him oh let's see that that's what happens sometimes you know with with live broadcasts you just never know what's gonna happen such as your developer losing connection and freezing but he's back hey your your back but you're muted right now is not unmute whenever you join of a hangout it automatically meets you pepper too far to the right this is all part of the deal he'll be back you'll be back so so anyway so we'll talk about magic radio for a second so your use oh sorry guys hey that's fine you know live broadcasts always have hiccups from time to time you know you never know what you're gonna get and every once in while Google throws us a hip a hiccup as well and it's always fun whenever I get disconnected like in the middle of a rant it always happens I'm like yelling about something something and boom like I'm in the middle of I complain about something or really on a roll and just get disconnected so yeah just like yeah so well I don't know if you caught when I was asking before you got disconnected ah but i'm just wondering did a lot of the thought process go into how to portray a mood through song choice on how to accurately you know portray a mood with song I'm sorry could you beat that you broke up a little bit uh like portraying the mood so I did a lot of the I did a lot of work go into that yeah yeah I really did it's really funny too because it's the most hilarious testing you can have you know we had this persistent problem that we had a roulette relaxation base station it would not stop on inserting Swedish death metal you know for some people i'm sure that's super relaxing but we could change up the criteria a little bit so it doesn't do anymore and we managed to get that down what it says it's also you know kind of difficult you have to work with different parties like we have echo nest 7digital and these other providers and you know people that provide the music to us and a lot of the cool data to make those moon base stations so it's a work with them to get those kind of things resolved so if you still find some some death metal in a relaxation equation then we're working that's pretty funny this you going along it is it's really you know really really calm and everything that all of a sudden you know just move that meddling it's good because you know to test if you just pretty much all use it day to day yeah we phone any ideas on what but yeah you'll have that as you said she gets you guys first version it's only going to get better with time you know definitely and the more people who use it the better our data set gets well in this case it would be a cadets dataset as well okay um does leveraging do you leverage off of the good being that you have the unique advantage of kind of combined people's own native music and do you leverage that into predictive servers to yeah that's a huge thing for me that's those one of our major annoyance Spotify it integrated into my itunes library because i keep my music in itunes but then it's sort of like a dead part of it it is important permitted i'm going to make any suggestions i ended up just going to last that event to finding artists and it sort of manually like entering its to spotify to see if they were on there or not and putting the playlist and making clothes stuff i may like or not if you already have music and doubletwist we actually make a station of music you'll love very likely or music you want to discover like music you that's way more sort of out there but we think you might like and there's such a wealth of data there that you can even actually working on back there right now we can take an existing playlist and tell us hey Bob I want to destroy society nope can we do that and that's that's really nifty mean to we're just scratching the surface there we tried to degrade as well as we could and there's already some cool stuff in there but possibilities are still pretty pretty promising so it's pretty cool and they said you guys are definitely unique compared to you know to pandora or Spotify because you offer this is a recap here you can create a station based on an artist a song the album genre mood which is which is fun or or a search term it is so it gives you a variety of choices yeah yeah you can even base it on any kind of a word you want that you could say you can stick you know put some pretty funny two terms in and see what comes back but for now it's really useful for state music festivals you know Coachella's coming up so we made that like the default one of the default statement that you have right now to see you know a flexible that really is and then you have the ability to purchase the song as well I um now what what service does that go through is is that go through your own store your own service order to go outside it goes to yeah so that we on one sided SAT but we don't have for our music store the other side I cannot like believe to imagine the kind of headaches involved with that so read right now we're using 7digital for that they've got a really good quality during free tracks that are usually the lowest price that we should be tight so this seems like the best you know person to partner up good good and we sort of ahead Scott did available just in the u.s. because I know that I'm in the US but uh how about people across the sea yeah it's currently only available in the US were trying to negotiate you know with our content partners to see how far we can bring that you know two people and stuff but yeah well it's kind of hard apartment shoulder we're trying really hard to being out of the US but for an out something it's yes yeah with the Google products and you know everything we always hear you know us first and but it's good to hear that negotiations are you know do you think that was talking about do you think that is your your biggest hurdle for licensing and legal challenges is trying to get content available overseas yeah it's so tricky I mean it's a you know it's no no miracle of a lot of people don't want to get into this stuff because it's legally so tricky and we've already even with these great partners that we have fun to be pretty pretty challenging but we're doing everything we can like I said you know we're don't have a giant corporation elbows to elbow or salsa to market Oh char so besides legal legal mumbo jumbo you know uh what are some of the technical or design difficulties are hurdles that you guys had to cross how to get by to launch this once we got really well integrated with with echo nest and their data set it kind of became a big challenge design-wise to figure out what I we could show this amount of flexibility and we could push all the possibilities into one small package that would be overwhelming people and I think we did a pretty decent job at that one of the things we pushed around at some point it's used to have all these icons for different stations we could pick and now we let people sort of more type and then we suggest what you know what what comes up so you could say let's see magic and it would suggest oh you want to submit make a station out of animal magic which is an album by potable one of my favorite artists or do you want it you know based on magic carpet ride by step wolf or and I limitation on based on the magic food or are you you know whew there's there so many possibilities that it was pretty tricky to make that yeah not overwhelming apart from that just make it work across obviously differ i give android devices that are out there and testing it all of those over that period of time you know you want a radio station to work for longer than just two tracks so our typical test process definitely like draw out a bit nice cat by the if she's in her spot oh now the youtube comments are gonna start coming hey what about for a hardware perspective I mean what all does it take to run hun internet radio service I can't imagine it's it's easy yeah to be honest I'm not the perfect person to ask that we've John are you know resident attacker awesome engineers also CEO of the company did a lot to optimize to as many devices as possible I sadly can't provide very insightful commentary about what it really takes for a device to be good for streaming i more meant that the back end of you guys hosting servers running all this and stringing down are you renting space from you know an Amazon or Google type cloud provider or you run your own massive data set at this fortunately we don't have to worry about that too much thanks to our content providers the only thing we have to do we sort of creepy requests and you know intelligently tell their servers to stream it to our use more the middleman on the actual provider yeah nice all right so so I have a question for you that I think is more up your alley it's more of a design question being being an Android show and being the guys that we are we we like hollow apps we like Android apps that are of the holo design I'm sure you're familiar with that right now the doubletwist app is is not a a hollow app is there a reason that you haven't gone that way is are there plans to hollow fi if that's a word the app in the future what you know where where do you see that ever happening oh yeah doubletwist actually initially was very reluctant to adopt although because you know we we started on the Android platform really young we were there since version to you know making a solid out for the marketplace boom well anywhere I remember using it back on my incredible back in 2010 I I remember when when airplay came out I was one of the first people I I I think I got it when it was an in Baden got it for free before you became a purchasable a piii used it years ago I remember all remember those days that's awesome and you know we got pretty close to google and you know not to their discredit because i realize exactly why they went that way they're telling us hey you know you should really try and avoid little bit more by our guidelines you guys a match design but you know it's not quite following the direction we want to take platform and every time they did that six months later they would come up with designer kind of flipped with their old one because they were still certain places I'm find the look and feel of their platform and which made us a little bit you know well very thankful that we went with this sort of design director who chose we made our own visual language which looked you know native that was a native enough like it good and it felt good it didn't flop place they also didn't feel completely in place but it was you know solid make for a good experience now right now I feel like Android has really kind of found its visual identity it's good we've waited it out a little bit and you'll be delighted to know that I'm actually working on a really really nice updated visually doing that much more in line with hollow laughs and I'm not gonna lie it looks it looks a lot better you know it's awesome really simple it's really clean very nice and yeah it just took us you know some time to make sure that that's the direction we was going but also since we were just focusing so much making new products we're working on a really cool secret new desktop thing at the same time as well so yeah yeah that that that's cool because you know as android fans you know a lot of people are gonna you know that they're not gonna lie kappa like all I don't want to run double twist because it looks like looks like iTunes you know give us something that looks different so that that's cool you guys have that coming out of the pipeline so the green happens like that it brings up an interesting argument and since you actually have the statistics it seems like a lot of developers of seeing a lot more in terms of purchased applications and people that pay it seems like the four point oh and up users in terms of adoption of those type of applications tend to be a much higher percentage then even the gingerbread ones even though the platform's about half and half right now is that what y'all are singing to out of your specified the subscription service and things like that or yeah definitely without going into too much detail because i don't have the statistics right in front of me I know from what I've seen in tustin stats that pass that they're a much better good for a pleco that I work monetizing you know they're they're just people who tend to I think use their device more than old Pete you know and also i think the throwing faster devices absolutely more more often than not it's a little bit easier to consume content we got something that's not lagging around yeah yeah mostly muslims are newer or feature phones now so they're equivalent Lee yeah totally so it's it's it's hardly surprised but it's really good to see that and especially once we see that curve if you know adoption going up for that platform in that market segment expanding we're really happy to see people having you know enough trust the platform to buy apps and makes us happy we got into it so early you know to become a bad let's associate with its application so if you guys are watching live on youtube or google+ you have any questions about double twist magic radio for Sebastian go ahead and drop a comment and we're we're watching them will relay the question to him and he'll try to answer it for you epley um so he tell us a little bit more about how magic radio is going to be integrated into the magic play platform yeah for sure um for one I mean a little bit about you know magic play to begin with we have we now set at Mobile World Congress since essentially we saw airplay and I really did hear like like whole concept is you have this video here and need pass yet you know well you hack if you have an iPad you know exactly I works yes they get like three different dongles a daisy chain into each other and then I don't think the audio is working yet let me give this other thing and plug that in over here and it doesn't work at all and then mayor places you check this you took that in a boob it's on your screen it's really nice when I first thought I was like oh that's awesome in the end of course there's a whole set of deal on a complex abbreviations that the promising to same thing when in reality don't work that well and we we partnered with all come to make something that really go standard that really really work very well for that and we're trying to like right near that and use it extensively in our app now for magic radio just like pretty much anything else in our app we want to google for pulling with magic planche you know we really want to limit the abstraction of what can you play anything on and help you play anything on something and magic video fits into that as well very easily to type it over magic play to a device called supports it if you just play a right to your TV yeah awesome let's see if we have any questions in the comment tracker oh we have a question about it is it coming to Australia and Canada I think that that goes back to licensing issues that we were talking about earlier definitely um as far as countries go you know I'd say Europe and Canada are probably are easiest first ones it's not that we don't love Australians interested is really cool i was in melbourne you know last year super super cool country but i think it's really going to be a little bit more tricky but we're trying really hard ok a couple of other questions from viewers uh what do you think is your biggest struggle in making these apps and you're actually getting people to adopt them um I think I think it's been tricky to convince people this is a general acting like it's not limited to Android I think it's tricky to convince people that it's worth buying a nap or spending money enough that's one of the reasons where our base product is just free and really good regarding that our free product has progressively gotten a few more like little pop-up saying hey you you know you could upgrade and we're actually even getting rid of that because that's you know that has been absolutely hurting us it's it's it's a tricky market up there you know you have to really prove your worth they even then people will still start and playing me charge a dollar for it what has been you know a lot of like an office full of people's hard work for like six months so that's that's a major challenge to simply convincing people that you're worth money and establishing that trust is huge let's say second when its remains with Android and gets a bigger problem over time it's just design it for so many devices and making sure you get a really good experience in each I wrote a blog post about it at some point and it's it's a really really tough battle but we hope to actually share some insight to be gained in our testing and our design optimizations and engineering optimizations that we've learned in the last few years with people in our on our new blogs and as well done do you think that that fight will continue to get easier as people dot more version the newer versions of Android or do you think it was kind of get the same as you know the newer ones come out and they stay at like ice cream sandwich or jelly bean when we're already at you know Android sixer I I hope to see you consolidate a little bit I mean pretty selfish reasons as a designer I see less and less display technologies that makes me really happy you know Samson social including co-led but if we have something only have two different panels of you know display panels out there that already you can t helps me but I also think that we will see manufacturers getting better at you know updates and stuff but it's a competitive market out there and you have to you know gain a competitive edge and I think the market will serve regulate itself in that sense it's a hope I mean you know in the meantime we're just doing our best we can to just make it work everywhere no I think at least for me and probably some of some of our viewers and listeners part of the reason that I originally used doubletwist years ago was because of who one of the founding uh guys for the for the company is um DVD John media yeah so uh I don't know if everyone knows who that is but he's responsible for years ago decrypting descrambling the copyright protection on DVDs I mean it was pretty big deal we go ahead and just Google DVD John and you'll find out all sorts of neat stuff but uh I that was the whole reason that whenever doubletwist launched back in two thousand six I think yeah that's the whole reason i downloaded and start using i was like huh it's pretty cool all right i knew that guy is you know so that so for all the tech geeks out there that know who that is that that's that's a reason right there to give it a try you know that's true and we've always sort of kept that as one of our ideals you know what kind of like the small guy trying to fight the big big force at some point in a way we put a really big banner on the saxes guapas laramie ave downtown over here certain like they're big developer event was really amusing to see everybody freaked out over that i'm sure it was very angry phone calls being made by outfits people that day that's hilarious you're right the original doubletwist app used to i think i think the term was liberate music from the apple itunes uh yeah what was in balti oh that's hilarious alright so a couple more questions from our viewers is the magic play going to be free included in the description price or is going to be like an equalizer where it's a couple of bucks in-app purchase well no magic plays is completely free it'll be free for a free product that lead free for anything out there pretty much we're trying to make because we love the idea of airplay so much except the fact that it's limited to only Apple devices were trying to make something won't really work everything out there without having to worry about paying any fees to any company whatsoever it's just worth money very nice another question is where do you see total twist in five years what do you expect to come in and be doing then how do you think things will change since then well perhaps in five years we'll finally have a tablet app hey when a you know what whenever wherever you go Hollow you could work get in there yeah actually I'm secretly may or may not be sketching us of something but given the pressure to Google's been giving us something it's all that you know that that's good you know you gotta go you gotta go hollow you know definitely so yeah if I here's what we're adults with having more hollow ass having a you know we were really like we're in magic play for the long run you know we we want to make it we're considering things like you know perhaps we couldn't bring it to the web well again this is I can't promise anything because there's lots of technical and licensing yada yada behind it but I really like the service I would love to see you in different places we're working on completely making a new product to the desktop so for windows and mac was a really cool set new set of the apps coming that worked really well and honestly just really building on our strengths you know I mean we made a little alarm clock app at some point it was really nice and it was really cool to see through section to that as people said there were two types of comments you saw and one was why would I spend money in an alarm app when my phone already does it other people said well doses make it really nice apps and this one was no exception it's definitely like worth the buck and that was really cool and you know made a stink hey we can definitely a future make apps that sort of extend naturally from our player or if you know do like one thing do it right and I think will will definitely like build on our strengths and try it sort of create more things that make people's lives or fun or easier also so uh you know you love those YouTube comments you know so apparently they think this is like a cross between like you know reddits like ask me anything so you have questions like you know how'd you grow that mustache and it's a good time yeah we have another question about so you know what did you have for lunch today you know me this isn't an ask me anything guys I mean it could be but they're not bad questions just you know pick your battles and times so we do have a relevant question I don't know if you're privy to this uh so how do artists get paid through the the radiative service I mean that might be a question more for your content provider than that's actually super good question I I would love to ask our cons of provider about that but as far as I know it's very similar to the way that Spotify base their artists through video systems at the door phase it I think they're all connected to an artist interest organization that actually measures such an artist based on radio and pays them out of a certain amount that all these companies face it's fun it's a really complicated rear thing which is actually one of the reasons why we have to limit the amount of skips you can do in our app because otherwise a lot technically considered ratio anymore I'd rather use a very varied look you know specifically written laws in the US that you know could optimize for this and I'll try and figure it out up so they be fun they're taking a reddit AMA on it or something there you go so you know level let us know if you'll do it if you're gonna do an ama see if you do that then you'll have to answer the questions about what you had for lunch how'd you grow the mustache you know things like that Oh usually there's something about like duck-sized horses and horse I stocks in there as well so you know reddit all right so uh any other questions dan I'm not seeing any I don't see any other comments now okay well I have a question about the the Google+ kind of the new API that was released the social plugin um you're gonna integrate that into your app at all I know that you're getting you know kind of pushback google for hollow but i mean if you like it i could see that i'm currently listening to hears it to google plus yeah it's really funny actually because we introduced the sharing feature at some point and really want to integrate Google+ and be confident like hey how do we do this city said oh you can't we're trying to push your platform here guys so uh uh uh well you know what it was 30 minutes anyways you know that's about the halfway point to where we wrap things up with Sebastian so if he froze again that's some good timing oh hey look who's back yeah you froze again for a second I was just saying that you know I think we have any other questions uh I don't have any and looks like the users don't have any other questions so I think we're gonna wrap up but but you're back um you haven't you have any questions for us anything else you'd like to add about anything we didn't cover any plugs for anything oh I mean not awfully much again I really appreciate you you guys having us I know you yeah you know uh maybe you can give us some since you used to work for Apple we know you can give us some apple hate you know if you have any of that yeah I mean it's just you know I'll tell you one thing whatever kind of radio product Apple comes out with you'll soon see that you know by the time they get in shape for that will have something so much more awesome built out of double twist that very cool people switching to android for anything you gotta get down when they have their developer conference and hang another banner up and let them know what's right that's great all right Sebastian well thank you very much for joining us and talking to us about magic radio and doubletwist we greatly appreciate you having you on the show thanks okay um let's move on to some Android news of the week let's uh let's talk about what Eric Schmidt said you recently so for a while now a bunch of android fans and chrome fans have been reading in 20 things you know the speculating on things have been released speculating on some code found and everything saying that we think that chroma andhra were going to marry somehow and Eric Schmidt said this past week of the big tent in India that the Chrome OS and Android merging rumor is false it's not going to happen and he did say that they're gonna have more of a commonality which to me sounds like what we've talked about on the show might happen all along either you know that commonality is that going to be chrome OS will be able to run or just chrome itself will be able to run android apps or android will be able to run html5 apps you know through chrome one of the other of that that's my guess chrome will be the window the browser will be the window and that's I think that's that commonality cuz you didn't say although it's never gonna happen he just sit on yeah they're not merging cuz that's that's just silly oh you might pick and choose yeah certain features so that's well that's my take on that you guys have anything to say about that cherry picking and just pick some features that you know work well in a mobile setting and ones that you don't work well on a laptop setting well we know we know uh Chrome's coming or not crown we know Google now is coming to Chrome we know that that commonality definitely will happen in the near future yeah so that's a mobile feature that you know will come to the desktop I think it'll be interesting on the desktop I don't know how much it's going to be you know giving me location-based information when I'm in the same spot about your your Chromebook that you carry with you and your regular notebook running chrome that you take mobile you know its mobile it's not always sitting in the same spot agreed agreed I I agree with I think people get their hopes up a little bit too much about what they're going to see converge and that don't really get what chrome OS is about but if you merge in Android in the dalvik VM on top of Chrome OS and merging all the conventions that come along with Android all you did was turn chrome OS into Android and you negate all the advantages like having a really low resource really secure operating system for web technology so if anything I would say it being the other way around where it may be Chrome OS brings the web to Android but not that's the only way they can really deploy everywhere including windows and mac and linux its thing and that one might makes make more sense since you know Android is leaps and bounds more popular than Chrome OS is only a little bit all right so so let's talk about Google keep real quick we haven't heard of this google cheap you haven't heard of Google keep it just you know blew up the the interweb this week you know from whenever it appeared for 10 minutes and then disappeared and then you know two days later was released and that's in the web was all the rage talk about Google keep and if you've been in the cave or you're not a Google fan uh Google keep is Google's note-taking app you can access it at dr google.com / keep or you can download the android app and and use it and I I think it's awesome for somebody that wants to keep all their data on one ecosystem you know with Google you don't have to now use a third-party app such as Evernote or Springpad you know you can use it you can use you know Google's own solution and it's pretty awesome it allows you to record notes with audio you can say note hi you know remember to bring home eggs or something you know it and it'll transcribe it and put it in a note for you as well as save it save it in an audio format you can play back and listen to later you can do lists you can take photos and add them to a photo note um or as well as a regular note to just just random text and you can rearrange them you know if you have a note that's an old note but it's still relevant you can drag it up to the top you know it you can color code your notes I and it's simple I like it I used to take notes with Google Docs I just never really liked Evernote and taking notes with Google Docs sucked because now I have 400 different you know note docs every once in a while I go back in and try to consolidate them in the OneNote doc I just know but this is neat i've been using it so what do you guys think about note let us know in the comments and then you guys here in the Hangout you know have you used it do you like it I haven't used it yet but i think it's it's smart for google to do it's one of especially as they are increasingly competing with office or trying to compete with office it's one of the holes as compared to office they needed something that could compete with OneNote I definitely see them going forward and probably coming out with something similar to vizio as well that would be interesting cause I mean I use visio in in my eight to five job a lot a lot of businesses do and realistically then you can you can almost replace excel with google spreadsheets you can pretty much replace word with give them there and now what about Microsoft Access can we just get rid of that whole thing I'm just pretty much killed access any red no longer really a database program or a platform for developing SharePoint applications yeah so and you know I from from a design standpoint since we're talking about design with Sebastian earlier you know I i love it because it's a hollow app and it's well evernotes a hollow up as well but it's just a very clean simple simple app yeah and that's what I really like about it it's clean simple it operates a lot better in my opinion then Google+ when you open up Google+ posts and tablet it's not as quick as the note be nice further Google+ have to have it's very simplistic you got the swype decide to delete or archive I like the annotations and it saves your actual tidbit of audio that's pretty cool one thing i don't like about that is uh if you could enable an option to just record audio that'd be cool and you know cause like non-stop happen what so you see you you would like to save the audio note but don't transcribe it or for the transcription if it does jose like a dot dot dot if you hear some silence that'd be pretty cool um you know but mostly for the audio file I'd like to be able to NFC share notes somebody you know let's say you're out and about and you took notes on something now no maybe you're in class I don't know it or whatever you used it to jot down a few notes and then afterwards you want to share it to your buddy you just NFC you know NFC send them the note I think that would be interesting but uh I've had John course I'm a little bit lazy with most about note-taking relates to taking screenshots of stuff or saving a website for later so I would honestly like to see almost a kind of like a pocket kind of thing where you could leave loose you know share your website and the note-taking app actually parses the website for you to read offline later all right I think that would be neat so such as on google plus you know instead of sharing to your bookmark circle just or i read it or Mairi it later circle you know you click a button and it sends it to to keep young keeps it for later how about adding a picture from your gallery you can't do that you have to take a picture from your camera that's annoying then then just uploaded for from the desktop oh it's yeah to work a rest up party has actually in Drive yeah there's no link alright so let's talk about a leak this week with the google play store um droid-life got a hold of an APK this week that featured a completely revamped UI it's a little bit unfinished you know some things still need to be ironed out but it's completely different it it's even more Hollow then the current play store it's very simple very minimalistic and the colors and the categories all match the play webstore the actual website and you know pictures are much better in higher quality the images are better it's just a very very much needed and gorgeous redesign sebastian have you seen it um no I guess I didn't have I'm gonna give you a link and I wall Derek keeps talking about it because I'm curious to see what a developer's standpoint think so you know the place were because it's where people you know go to get their content and get your app well the fact that it looks more like the actual web store it's a seamless you know integration re Nia no matter where you're at if you're on the web app or you're on the Android app it looks similar and that's nice you know that way people don't get confused but one thing that that's funny is I saw people saying that it reminds them of the old school like pre I don't know ICS days place or you know like back on like gingerbread they say reminds them of that will see it does a little bit really like how so how do you how do you think that ever mind I mean I I just don't see it it does but you know it doesn't really good things about the old one where like if you go to install an app it doesn't take you to this you thank you for downloading this other person's out which is kind of useless to the developer and a google but i have no most beings just eliminate redundancy I mean it promotes more shopping I mean that's why they do that yeah um I like the cards though yeah it's very google now astic you know and that makes me and that makes me think right so we got google nail which is you know getting well it's improving it's becoming a very contextual platform on its own you know we have glass which is has google now type cards and now we have you know a newly redesigned to Google Plus which the you know their cards they look like cards that on your profile come on the iOS Google Maps app is that way yeah so these things are moving into a hollow card type design so if Google Play is designed that way the leaked version i'll i'm wondering you know what we're gonna see with android come io are we gonna see a new change in the design here kind of like an ocean back by like Sebastian said you know they get comfortable with something than six months a year later you know baby changing already will be my luck you know doubletwist pushes out that beautiful hollow app and then Google releases the next version android it's like okay now now this is how our design and stuff no gradients your load design guidelines but I you know it's still hollow APIs just has more much more card cardenas to what good if I could say anything I think that you know what I really love about google now like first time i thought i was like wow this is this is beautiful this is gorgeous what i really like about it is it's less intimidating because it just doesn't look as dark and like as you know i don't know foreboding graphic i guess it looks a bit more human yeah it's very very simple design like i really like it that you can brace things into digestible chunks instead of huge bear have to go through so the whites in the greys it's nice yeah in the swiping action that just makes it amazing for everything because it's very playful Oh we'll talk about another app update and we'll stop talking about apps cuz after I was born to continue to talk about it for long periods of time so google currents um now has the ability to play podcasts which is awesome I mean that functionality kind of existed before but it was nowhere near what it is now um you can play apps it pops up in the notification to just deposit and fast forward and so forth so it's now a podcast app so those of you that you know we're looking for a Google podcast app and you used to use listen which was which was just horrible you can you can now use a now use current stuff or podcast we don't have it in there yet cold our design yesterday to to get that in there and so probably later tonight or maybe even tomorrow morning we'll have our our podcast being able to be played through currents as well maybe you'll be listening to this right now through currents hello from currents um alright so uh let's talk about some apple rumors dan ah so Apple is rumored to be pushing a new flat design for iOS moving forward getting rid of their screw school morphism they make everything look like wood and leather and ugly design philosophy and moving towards a much cleaner simpler you know matte colors straight lines what some people might call tiles or cards or go windows or android so look for Apple fanboys to the very near future be telling us all that Apple invented this design trend rather than just followed along on it oh they don't do that no no never um in some hardware news and video went out to brag about the next two generations of the tegra chip why the chips code-named Logan and Parker's that be the Tegra five and six um they're bragging a lot that I don't really believe at all because they like to brag and never actually compete any of the things they brag about so they're telling us now that the Logan check the Tegra five will be available in early 2014 that's roughly the same time that the Tegra 4i will become available the same one that they promised in less than a year over a year ago well you remember early 2014 is literally a year from now yes reporters were I they promised at CES last year not a couple of months ago at CES in 2012 in January they said later this year we will be putting out the I Sarah 500 modem yeah that's not going to hit the shelves until early 2014 so I don't really buy their promises of Tegra five and twenty four teen because they haven't shown that they can meet any other timelines I don't believe they're going to do it this time when that chip does come out though they're saying it's going to be based on their new cal per GPU form our architecture so it should be pretty powerful it's going to have see you da compatibility GPU is going to have opengl 4.3 compatibility out of the box and then the parker chip which would be the the tiger 6 is going to be on an even newer maxwell platform so and it's also going to be a 64-bit ARM so that'll be a 57 or 54 chips so it should be a pretty advanced chip but don't hope for it to come out for another two to five years well that that's cool to look forward to because in two to five years I mean you know Qualcomm probably have like the god mode out or something I mean you know Qualcomm will be rocking some aprm 360 that they're launching later this year that's going to make the I 500 look like a worthless piece of crap does what it says a lot more Hardware races is vibrant right now yes yes it is and Nvidia likes to brag a lot in that race and struggles to actually yeah didn't Qualcomm put out a piece this week basically saying don't believe everything you read look at statistics look at numbers just because somebody says they're awesome doesn't mean they're yeah awesome yeah pretty much what does it tell you about a videos confidence with tegra 4 saying it's not on the market yet and there I'll get the next two chipsets it's still months away and all they can do is brag about the next generation that's over a year away that is not an impressive it'll be we'll be good to go in many years there's no the other thing became like well they're promising this chip for a year plus from now nobody wants to buy the one that they're promising in a month or so so so it may take a long time to get these new processors out there who knows when they're going to be asked but let's talk about something that is actually out there that should have been out there months ago such as the verizon galaxy nexus 4 point to point to update that is now live whoa this is celebration yeah rise rise you guys got the update out there months after everybody else got it out there well that i mean the the gsm version you are no longer for updates behind Android you are now up to date that's awesome you know but in verizon's defense the past couple months they've updated there's tons of funds Bob right now there is no defense they've updated a lot of phones they have that you know that the original droid razr maxx the HD droid razr HD as well the droid charge got an update if derek this isn't something that's in their defense this is basically saying oh gee they woke up one day and realize that manufacturers have left updates pending their approval for the last six months and finally decided to do there nobody said if the droid charge is in the update q ahead of the galaxy okay what's his email from from build bought at google com from four months ago exactly the fact that they're doing them all in this mass like this just makes it look that they like they said on them because i don't know they couldn't get it together or fell asleep or float so those part of their job those of you that a Down little bees so those of you that downloaded the leaked version of android 4.2 point2 for the verizon galaxy nexus a couple days ago or who couple weeks ago um you don't have to do anything it's nothing it's nothing new it's not a new leak or me it's not a new build of android so if you're already on that you're good to go you don't have to worry about if it's been there for at least two weeks well it's been there for a lot longer than that yeah so so you're good to go you now have android 4.2 point2 so you can do awesome things like dashclock uh uh check it out and then put them on your your lock screen and see the awesomeness that is dashclock i love it my droid DNA can't do that but when extra seven can I hate the droid you know what I'd say it every week so I'm gonna say it again the droid DNA is an awesome piece of hardware I just don't like sense HTC made a very good quality phone this is a good they always do bali phones than they were there so it's a it's a very good phone a lot of people love it I just like stock Android and I know I know I bought a phone hoping it would get stock Android and that's my fault hate me I'm bad so let's let's talk about some more android update so so uh John and I were talking about the Droid Charge got an update uh this week and it's it's got a head scratcher I mean I i yes it is I don't really understand oh so they didn't get jelly bean they didn't get ice cream sandwich what you'll be happy to know that you got a backported ICS feature into your gingerbread release you now have a face unlock and photo editor Congrats so instead of getting a platform update you just got you know an additional feature you didn't get no butter no renderscript or anything like that you can face a lot now you can get no butter verizon is trolling you officially mad yeah for samsung or both the job charge you know uh that that that's just that's a phone that had so many issues as much as people used to flame the Thunderbolt I can see why they did not update it because they're like if they got something that's halfway working their practice it no just leave it along yeah it's okay she's like yeah seriously don't even touch it with like a ten-foot dough on it don't touch it don't even look at it cross-eyed yeah so jelly bean is now being pushed out for the droid 4 which is great because they know a lot of people like a buddy of mine Chris Jenkins here on google+ he was so excited when that phone came out because he has real big man hands I guess and he he needs a keyboard he can't a pullout keyboard a physical keyboard he can't do soft keys so he will for the longest time he's like I want LTE I want dual core and I want a keyboard and when that phone came out he was extremely excited so those of you that fit that criteria you now have some butter how'd you say that Scott but I've got no butter but actually now they do remixed that before you go on Derek touching back on the video stuff for a minimum of our youtube viewers asked if anybody's announced me phones using the Tegra 4 so far the only manufacturer to announce that they're making phones with that ship is ZTE and China out of China yes a value manufacturer out of China which basically means ah here in the US you won't see that gonna be your yeah yeah yeah that's pretty much what that means and maybe bring it have ltd compatibility of any form whatsoever so it's not going to be distributed in a phone sold in the united states in a harley now yep currently now whenever I spoke with ZTE at CES you know they gave us the same as wall way they said you know hey we're trying to work with you as carriers were feeling we'll get pushback we'd love to release so you phone the u.s. yada yada yada so they're trying to do it that was a Tegra 4 though yeah talking about the manufacturers as a whole yo know I know they're trying to break in the US but they aren't gonna be able to do with a phone with tegra 4 because the American carriers aren't going to sell the phone if it doesn't have LTE so in the those of you that are that are rocking the droid 4 you'll be happy to know that it looks the same is the razr and razr maxx jelly bean update which is good because they're the jelly bean update you know removes all that crap that you don't need such as bloatware and motorola apps that aren't needed when Google Apps exists to do the same functionality so Dan my my resident hardware guy and my resident carrier news guru we have any carrier news to talk about this week yeah so t-mobile pushed out an update for the galaxy note 2 which most notably enabled LTE on the device that is their first LTE or enabled device courageous yes that is their first LTE enabled device they're still saying that LT is not available but will be coming soon they are having a press conference on I think it's the 26th maybe the 28th when they're also going to start selling the blackberry z10 which they have said will be an LTE enabled device on their network so the note 2 and the blackberry z10 are the first two LT enabled devices on t-mobile and presumably they will be flipping that network on on the 26 or soon thereafter so hopefully we'll be seeing LTE coming from t-mobile very very quickly they're still promising to cover 100 million people by mid-year so expect to see them lighting up tons of markets over the next three months um AT&T is also releasing some new plans for high data usage don't get too excited though because if you want 30 gigabytes of data for your family plan it's gonna cost you three hundred dollars a month plus thirty dollars per phone on the share plan you can bump that up to 40 or 50 gigabytes for an extra hundred dollars each so if you need 50 gigabytes a month of mobile data for you and your tablet and your spouse and tablet and your plethora of children that are using lots and lots and lots of data you can get that for a cool five hundred dollars a month now we have some verizon news it isn't on the show Doc that I that came out that way I think we need to talk about there's actually two tidbits of Verizon information to bit number one is verizon came out with a messaging app for tablets and for the desktop why so well according to the video when my when my girlfriends are out shopping for wedding dresses and I can't make it I can still text them from my tablet or my desktop which one you know it was just remembered that not everybody uses google voice yeah oh yeah exactly not everybody uses google voice um if you did use google voice you could you could do that but if you don't use google voice because you're on verizon and it's well we'll need to get into them that but google voice on verizon I know you can but I'm saying that they make it they make it harder to port your number and everything and to use the to use the google voice voicemail it's not integrated it's really not that hard yes i did all i did it really isn't it I know he looks a little bit rather not exactly harder to port your number out if they're making it hard to port your number out please call your Congressman because the reason that it's hard to port your number at how is because people that have grandfathered in data plans they've been on the service for a while and they want to transfer the number to google voice Oh see what you're complaining about is they're making it hard for people to want to port their numbers out not that they make it actually difficult to do yeah no it's very simple to do you can do it in a few seconds but when you do that it cancels your account and create a new account for the new number doing so you lose your grandfather and data plan which many people don't want to do so it's it's it's hard to come to terms with how above Brown no Derek God nice to have you back yeah no that was interesting it said my data connection was lost you know Sebastian had that problem earlier tonight well anyway so so verizon now allows you to send text messages from your tablet group text messages and you can do it from your desktop tool if to do that you install the app or go to my verizon what my verizon's web portal i have not tried it yet um all the other one record you've been able to send text messages from your desktop with just about every carrier via their website for quite some time yeah and you've been able to deal with verizon as well but but reading them you know you weren't able to do that um the other tidbit of a verizon news just on a personal note here in it's like it's a personal triumph I now have LTE where I live officially hooray for Derek while you were out of the Stone Age I know before the LTE was only partially covering my town because it was a tower from a mountain that was getting a larger area so it was like kind of shaky I mean I had it at my house but basically if i left my house went actually into town I didn't have LTE but now the towers in my town have actually been upgraded we've gotten taller they've gotten big their big-boy pants on and I now have LTE all over my little town of 11,000 people so I just know verizon you're doing stuff good you know keep it up keep using you keep giving us LTE um I guess that's it so to Scott do that wrap up then let it roll um butter you ain't got no butter you know I'm gonna call you know you know the show's gonna be called lie with doubletwist and you don't have no butter you got you ain't got no butter okay um so he is watching us on YouTube you guys can listen to us on stitcher radio itunes miro RSS feed and soon-to-be google currents from google currents and also soundcloud which just had a android and iOS update which is kind of cool it's a little bit better you can find us on an authority calm and go to the bottom right section called on air we do a post after every episode just kind of wrap it up what we talked about I also want to say thank you to Sebastian do wit and double twist for coming on tonight really appreciate it and really excited to see where doubletwist goes uh maybe hallows all the things pretty soon I'm excited to see what they come out with and yeah he has got anything else to add you ain't got no butter you ain't got no butter thank you guys have a good night