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welcome to android authority on air the original android hangout show on google+ I'm dare cross I'm Scott Anderson I'm Dan Charleston I'm nothing Franklin this week we are bringing you an exclusive giveaway for the galaxy s3 so all you galaxy s3 owners that are interested in cases for your s3 will get information in a little bit we're also going to talk about is Android a mess microsoft says it is we're going to have a little debate style go back and forth about that and we're going to get into some devices some Samsung news Motorola news as usual hit up some new apps talk about glass for a little bit we got some root and rom and stuff with aokp and we'll wrap up with carriers and patents as well alright so so let's talk about this giveaway right now well we have these exclusive galaxy s3 cases they are officially licensed art by tats cru the mural kings and tats cru is actually pretty famous they're the world-famous they are bronx-based mural street artists that have been around doing public graffiti since the 1980s tax crews iconic work has been commissioned for New York institutions museum schools and major corporations and the interesting thing about these cases for the galaxy s3 is that you can't buy them they're pretty exclusive you can't buy them online you can buy them for the iphone 5 and for the fifth-generation iPod touch but the s4 and soon for the s4 but you cannot buy these for the galaxy s3 so if you have a galaxy s3 and you want something that you can't get anywhere and they would normally run you thirty dollars we're giving these away to we have we have 10 of them to give away and to enter the contest it's very simple all you have to do is share this post on Google+ with hashtag android authority so we can easily and then after the show we will tally up all the shares with hashtag android authority and we will contact the winner and ship this exclusive street art design and case now this is just a snap on case it's there it's not a front protective cover it it's a said it's just a snap on case for the back so to help you grip your device and provide a little bit more a little bit more plastic for your plastic galaxy s3 how about that but I said it the main thing about this is the famous design the exclusive street art so once again if you have a galaxy s3 you want to win one or you want to win something exclusively you can't get anywhere else hashtag android authority share this post moving on alright so we'll come back to that a little bit for people that are tuning in late okay so moving on to to some news this week so at dive into mobile earlier this week Microsoft's Terry Myerson who is the VP of Windows Phone had something to say he said that Android is kind of a mess look at Samsung there's clearly mutiny going on the only OEM making money off of Android is Samsung which we all know that Samsung is making a lot of money there they're selling tons of devices so that's true the main point of discussion on this is Microsoft's VP of windows phone saying Android is a mess and there's there's been a debate going back and forth about this throughout the week you know is Android a mess is it not a mess so what I want you to do is let us know in the comments if you think Android is a mess or if it's not a mess and you know just give us your thoughts on that and we're going to go back and forth here we're going to talk about you know compare it to iOS compare it to Windows Phone is it the carrier's fault OEM samsung what actually is Google's job what does Google's role with Android and ultimately you know do we think android is a mess so I'm going to ask Dan Charlton here dan do you think android is a mess and what is your response to Terry's accusation I think yes and no is the answer to that question and really it depends on what you're talking about when you say Android when I tell you about Android I'm talking about AOSP the platform itself I don't think it's less at all I think it works just like Linux works right you've got a group of people to contribute to the core code they release regular updates I'd like for them to release more regular updates right like Linux is constantly being updated in public and Android as you know just incrementally done in public like that I'd like to see it faster than that but I get that it isn't in that respect though no it's not all a mess the platform is perfectly stable perfectly fine evolving quickly being well maintained what's a mess is all the people who are not really maintaining their own forks of Android despite the fact that they're running their own forks of android right Samsung forks Android to make it run on other devices they don't put that information back into Google's code and then they build their own framework on top of it they're shipping TouchWiz for samsung devices is their very own Fork of Android but the problem is they don't support it they don't treat it like a forked a Detroit they don't actually maintain it they expect the carrier's to support it that's the big difference in my opinion between Apple and Android in this respect Apple supports every iPhone on every carrier you have a verizon iphone you have a problem with it you call verizon they're going to direct you to an apple representative same thing on AT&T or sprint or t-mobile or anywhere else in the world you have a samsung phone you call verizon verizon's dealing with it you have one from AT&T 18 tease deal if one from t-mobile they're dealing with it so it's a big contrast there ok so the counter-argument to this is well to rehash what you said so you're saying that you know it's the it's the OEMs and the carrier's fault because they're they're customizing Android so the argument is as well whenever we look at the success of Android we say that Android is worldwide you know seventy to seventy-five percent whatever the numbers the latest numbers are of the the market it's you know is Android we look at this massive dominating force of android yet what you just mentioned and what you just talked about wasn't that massive seventy seventy-five percent that was I'm gonna say a number i don't even know but world to say that's probably a single digit number is what you probably just mentioned you know that your nexus devices AOSP supportive devices so that's what the people on the other side of the fence are saying how do you respond to that i'd say that android is that entire seventy percent that's underneath of all of it that's the foundation that all of those little things are built on right it's not that androids a mess because Samsung can't get their crap together and support their phones agreed agreed not so it's not a fault of Android that's not a symptom of Android that Samsung not being good at their business I agrees that crap load of phones and in that regard they're doing good business but they aren't treating their customers well Apple sells crapload of phones but they can get the absurd margins they do and the people willing to fork over crab loads of money for them like they do because they're going to follow that up with the customer service right that's why every apple store is always freaking packed with the Apple fanboys because they love going in and getting that service Samsung's not providing that they're expecting verizon to provide that for them or sprint to provide that for them they're gonna get themselves all right now now John do you have anything that you would like to to add to that you know is this is this google's fault you know that they are putting out code and then whatever anybody wants to do with it you know they have no control over it but but the other side of the fence here is saying that that's the that's the problem that Google has no control once they put the code out there it's not a product that was the intent you know it's not necessarily a problem that's open because as a development platform android has worked very well for them because even with the Nexus even before the Nexus you had the code and by the time really developers have had their hands on you know developers generally buy nexus devices or even I are given Nexus devices but I'm Samsung comes out with their version of four point to point to the developers apps are up to snuff it's stable you don't have to worry about even iOS suffers from development um you know everybody jumps on the nuke left formal taneously we were developers haven't had that much time to work with it and you have more issues with applications force closing and giving us so from the perspective of development it works well from the perspective of the users I don't think it necessarily is a bad thing that like what dan was talking about with Samsung if the person is happy with their phone you know I have somebody like say my mom and she's perfectly happy she has a galaxy s3 they don't really think about whether they're on the latest version of the software that is care that it works the thing is the the people that do care about it should have the option to get a pure you know if they want a Nexus device that that needs to be available to them everywhere on every carrier globally you know if as long as the consumers get what they want that's really all that all of the boils down to it matters and you know if the consumers have that choice but don't have the choice that they want that's when it becomes a mess or a problem in my eyes I mean if you know obviously they got some much market share that it's working it's just a question of is everybody happy or is everybody know what they want I be capable of being happy if that question what kind of maine's yes then that's all that matters all right Scott in regards to everything that John and Dan had said in what I had had said you have anything you wish to add to this discussion yeah going back to the initial comment of you know mutiny with Samsung and Android the take over the whole like take over mutiny of the whole ecosystem of Android from Samsung is kind of far-fetched it can't happen because they have to have some underlying features in order to you know have it the Play Store you know all the google apps so ideally you know it's working for google but the issue is basically update time and that in lies you know the biggest problem that definitely people have the choice whether to buy a device that is updated or not but the thing is in order to do that you have to be somewhat educated on what phone to buy and who to buy it from so there are lies kind of the problem i guess i agree that that that is a problem that you shouldn't have you a consumer should be able to buy relatively any phone and assume they're going to get the support that they desire and and that just doesn't happen all the time unfortunately and you know Google can do their best to help mitigate this by relief releasing such things as the platform development kit and they can have OEM manufacturers use this and and help you know which will help them get you know code available before publicly release to help them get updates out in a timely manner um if an oem doesn't use this or doesn't take advantage of this tool then I mean that's really not google's fault they're maintaining their line of devices Nexus devices so my this really isn't an answer but but my thoughts is let's see what happens with the new upcoming versions of devices from Motorola now that you know Google is technically run the show let's see how they react to this let's see if they also fall susceptible to the carrier you know is is that is the carrier still going to bog down the release time frame the same way that they have in the past now let's see what actually happens I'm uh I'm I don't know you know I can't tell the future I would like to assume that since rumors are that it's going to you know new Motorola phones are him just be stock Android then it's going to be easier in Google's behind the wheel they're going to be timely updates but that but that still doesn't solve the entire problem that's just one manufacturer you know that's motorola you know which is a tiny sliver compared to what samsung is able to do so I don't know how Google can tighten this up a little bit when they're not in charge of anything after the code leaves them and you know I I don't think that they can do that one one thing I was going to UM when you compare saying iOS release versus an Android release Google doesn't have that control but the reason Apple has that control is also because they make sure that they get all the necessary carrier approval prior to a phone release so it's not necessarily that the process for them is faster it's more that they hold back the process so it becomes invisible to the consumer and then they handle all the updates after that but they make sure ahead of time that Verizon Sprint AT&T global carriers are on board before they even put the phone on the market so the only option realistically because Apple suffers from this carrier problem two is either google holds back and doesn't release an android version and tries to get OEM s onboard kind of simultaneously prior to the next Android release or they just keep moving forward and keep moving platform for so it's really you're stuck between a rock and a hard place as to where you take it and really I think that's that they've gone about it and about the best way that they can considering the circumstances because they have a lot more OEMs to keep on board than you know obviously someone's hardware control but that is a big factor in it then there's no reason to hold back android just for the sake of a novia that would be like Microsoft holding back windows in for a second how am yeah yeah I mean one of the problems with what meyerson's little rant went on about I mean he talked about how androids a problem because Google's you know Google's going to move away from the closed or open and start closing things down to get control over it and to back that up claimed that's why they hate Facebook home and are going to try and block it meanwhile at the exact same conference Eric Schmidt was praising Facebook home and I think the reason why Google likes Facebook home is because it's showing the rest of the OEM because at this point Facebook essentially is the OEM of the Facebook first phone right HTC in that capacity is going back to what they used to do for windows and and polym and just contract make the phone so that's Facebook's offering it is stocking Android with one application they didn't break apart the android framework to make it do what they want it to you they wrote one application runs on top of the core framework so you can't say that Google isn't putting out a stable platform that all of these other companies just have to do all of this crap too in order to make it work because they don't Google's putting out a stable platform everybody else is still stuck in this once that they're on donut and that they need to do that so it's a problem these other OEMs everything in touch wiz could be boiled down to a highly customized launcher and then additional plugin apps those apps don't need Corp TouchWiz framework to run at least they shouldn't they do now but all of that framework could be broken out into the app okay all right so if you have any additional points you'd like to add to this discussion let us know in the comments here on YouTube or Google Plus and we'll check it out here a little bit we're going to mention our giveaway this week for those of you that are just tuning in now to being a little bit late ah so if you have a galaxy s3 or you know somebody that does you want to hook them up with something that's unique we are giving away 10 of these special clip on snap on cases they are officially licensed art by tats cru tats cru but it shortly is a graffiti artist professional graffiti artist they've been doing it for 30 years or so and they've been commissioned by institutions in New York Museum schools and major companies um said these one-of-a-kind you can't get them anywhere else they're only for the galaxy s3 we have 10 of them to give away and if you do share this post or share a new post with hashtag android authority we will add that to the queue in pick a winner after the show at some point and we'll let you know if any of you for those of you watching on YouTube that are wondering what post the Google+ page and earth or android authority google+ page the youtube link on that that post look at that Scott's on top of things he is that that's why he's that's why he's in this hangout right now Derek can you keep that thing there the whole time just so we don't you know so I could hold you so you'll see that I like that well I like over here we give best of both worlds you know all right so anyways enough about this we'll talk about this one more time we don't we don't need to hold up in front of my beautiful face the entire time of Scott said all right so let's let's yell about some some other news Oh going well let's talk constructively ooh I like that better so Dan had some Sam's on the infos for yes so Samsung has gotten into some hot water in Taiwan apparently after people found out that they have been paying people to anonymously write negative reviews about HTC all over the web they didn't necessarily admit to doing this but they did promise to no longer do it the future so the kind of implied that it was going on without saying oh yes creepin during this yeah won't do that anymore I mean we didn't do it in the Prairie but we're not gonna do it anymore yes know what in Samsung's defense i would bet money that they aren't the only company has ever done this i'm certainly although most companies do it proactively most companies pay bloggers to rate positive stuff about them they don't pay bloggers to write negative stuff about their coop Oh someone now what about Furion molar Florian Miller there are some exceptions but by and large it's a PR proactive it's not just a smear campaign yeah it's not always scroogled scroogled right so we have some other a device news dance so yeah they're they're big flagship phone everybody i know is waiting to note here when it's coming to them when coming to their carrier in particular and so we've gotten official dates from four of the six largest carriers on that's t-mobile is going to be the first of them it will be available on May twenty-fourth which is what Tuesday Thursday next week so next week you can get it for $150 down payment with two years of twenty dollar monthly payments which actually shakes out to six hundred and thirty dollars over the course two years versus a 648 our list price for the phone so really not bad financing on the phone um and obviously that's separate from the contract and you can sell the phone back to tmobile with their uncarrier strategy a sprint is going to be the next one out you can get it from them on the twenty-seventh of april it'll be two hundred fifty dollars with a two-year contract but you can get a one hundred dollar discount if you're switching to sprint from another carrier I don't know how they verify that you're switching to sprint from another carrier you may have to port your number or something but you can get a first always cry until maybe yeah you can get as low as 150 there so that's good um one of the bigger unconfirmed still is verizon they've confirmed that it will be in May which is rather late but they haven't specified a date there are various rumors suggesting it could be the 30th of May based on staples internal document but they're also called a press conference for the 22nd of may so that also seems like a likely date AT&T meanwhile has announced officially the 30th of April for two hundred dollars on a two-year contract or 450 on a one-year contract and US cellular has also confirmed the 14th of May for two hundred dollars on a two-year contract so if you want the s4 you can get it HTC One dates are still very nebulous rumor suggests that will be launching on tmobile at least the same day as the s for other carriers it's still murkier when or if it will appear okay so John what about motorola for some other OEM news here yeah not so much for motorola themselves but Eric Schmidt and Larry Page both spoke at different conferences this week and they both pretty heavily praised moat Motorola's upcoming lineup Schmidt was at the All Things D mobile conference and he called the lineup phenomenal and Larry Page stated that and this was during Google's earnings called it was pretty enthusiastic about the upcoming lineup and layered he specifically said think about your device battery life is a challenge for most people you should need to carry around a charger to make it through the day if your kid spills a drink on your tablet the screen and die and when you drop your phone it shouldn't shatter he said having just seen Motorola's upcoming products myself I'm really excited about the potential there in just under a year they've accomplished a lot and have impressive velocity in execution so some pretty encouraging words coming from that and news this week that Motorola is going to be pushing stock Android in the you know upcoming future it does make me wonder a little bit when I say upcoming lineup if they're talking about something that's this year they mean roo because it typically takes a lot longer to get a phone on the market than something like a tablet but then again when they made the Nexus 7 you remember them talking about google and asus working day and night for i think a four month timeframe to me it was a very short time where you know there's it's going to be interesting to see what motor oil has been able to accomplish even with a kind of what already was a hardware cycle that was in the works before google acquired them but you know things could happen maybe they've got something really compelling coming out this year that you should expect to see and definitely keep your eye on motorola this year reckon I do think even without it being a hundred percent Google influence they're going to come out swinging dad definitely nice to see something you know positive and energetic coming into Motorola fridge I'm excited I you know I'm excited I can't wait for the next possible rumor to unfold alright so let's talk about some ecosystem news here and we'll talk about some apps everybody's favorite boring section on the show right I so uh amazon they're lacking something major compared to Google when it comes to voice search they don't have it and compare compared to to iOS you know they they just don't they don't they don't have the same the same features I know Google Google now and you know all that good stuff so they are there's evidence showing that they are looking to buy a serie alternative now do we say is Evie Evie Evie I will call ed okay ed so they're looking to buy a serie alternative so that that's interesting about for those of you that are embedded in the Amazon ecosystem and have kindle fires you might be getting some neat stuff for voice in the future and the Google Play Store app revenue is up ninety percent in first quarter 2013 so that's awesome you know yeah making money here maybe we'll play store which you know the Play Store has been under scrutiny in the past that it doesn't make any money so it you know having it be op ninety percent after the holiday when typically loud people don't spend money you know because they spent tons of money over the holiday in q4 of last year so that's great that it's up that much the first quarter I find that very very respectable support your developers because this is why we're getting compelling really good applications lately is because developers need to know that they can monetize the platform yeah and so if you're into giving money to charities and you wanted to do it with Android maturities the companies they're selling your product nonprofits I'm sorry I'm profits their companies okay anyways if you want to donate money to the charity of your choice oh this woody did that you're still talking about I told all right did this this is where Dan you were wrong on a show everybody document is the first aid is for 18 2013 8 10 01 p.m. um when a year comes around I'm gonna mention it and you're gonna start crying oh so so unbeknownst to Dan there is a new app on the google play store I maybe I should have entered with that unbeknownst to dan I just did so that this mute this new app allows you to donate to the charity of your choice not nonprofits it's limited beta app you have to sign in the app and request to be put on the waiting list but you can donate a doll or directly to a charity of your choice and you can do it through a new app from Google it's called one today so when you say a charity of my choice is that as sure to my choice off of some list that's been pretty established or is that just any charity that I name I believe it is off a pre-configured lift so how does it Cheryl how can um but that is the that is the question I guess um since this app was just released like this is like breaking app news I'm not sure uh just mentioning it because it's a worthy mentioned so new google app on just let you know there's a one nine percent credit card fee okay it's so Chrome Beta you know chrome beta gets update every week and whatever chrome babe yeah it's getting better and faster and bigger and stronger and we love it um WordPress gets a little bit of hollow so those of you that have a blog wordpress blog and you use your android device to do some wordpress action you you've probably already updated you know what I'm talking about right now but it's a little bit of hollow you know it's good major UI overhaul and speaking of doing some hollow linkedin gets a hollow ask app a completely newly redesigned the UI so if you're into LinkedIn for business social networking connections you can now do it properly I guess with a nice nicer you I now on the opposite side of this spectrum here out Microsoft's outlook.com was updated it doesn't look like you know Android 1.5 anymore yeah it was pretty bad yeah so it doesn't look like you know Android from five years ago anymore it doesn't look like really Android at all it actually looks like it actually looks like office 2013 so if you're using all if you're using outlook 2013 right now that's pro pretty much what the outlook com app looks like or if you have an Outlook com email address it yeah it looks all the same and yeah so some people might say oh it's on Android it doesn't have an Android UI well you know what it's microsoft's UI and their unifying it across devices and platforms and that's that's awesome so the hats are happening something across platforms round of applause please yeah you know that hats off to bed that's cool i'm glad doing it so then they've been crying for that forever maybe they would get it so uh google voice um get ready for it google voice was actually updated yeah i mean you know it's an epson hat but never gets updated you know like we had google TV remote get updated you know like wasn't a couple weeks ago and and now you know google voice like it's nice to see some love for some apps that never never get updated um oh my god the update you know what did it do I'm not a whole lot so SMS delivery improvements may be related to integration to glass who knows but you know anything that's an improvement is obviously good so let's talk about glass real quick so new app launched this week and it wasn't a charity app it was for glass called my glass and my glass allows you to set up Wi-Fi for your glass manager glass you create a QR code and you hold the phone up with your glass and you look at the QR code and hey you connect to your you that's how glass connects to Wi-Fi through looking at a QR code um if you want to send messages to your two contacts or hang out with contacts you need to manage those contacts you can do it through the myglass Android app or the myglass website but you can like I said you can do through the app manage your contacts interesting it has permissions for google voice so it actually has you know google voice some type of google voice integration and related to that glass will use my glass to send text messages and if you don't have my glass installed or you're on a device that like you know an iphone whenever you say ok glass message contact it'll actually be an email it won't be SMS you actually need my glass to do that my glass is actually you know surprisingly it's actually very very dependent or glass is very very dependent on my glass you know it gets your location data you know in GPS through the app as well since glass doesn't have well the FCC filing said it had GPS but official tech specs do not mention GPS so glass gets the location data from the app that's actually a pretty pretty relevant so that means it right now there is no iOS app so that means that you can't do a lot of the features and what what's interesting is to see people mention mentioning this that are currently you know iphone users saying huh looks like I'm switching to android because they want the integration for you know navigation and they want the integration for you no text messaging and stuff like that who knows what else is going to come down the line that is only going to be available android so that that's interesting that you find that out they won this week arm android police did a APK teardown you know they extract the APK they looked through all the code strings and folders and everything and that they found some neat stuff apparently google games is looks like very close to being you know launched you know if google games was initially i'll say mentioned a year or so ago where they said you know good a Googler said you know a year from now we won't talk about chrome games and android games and google+ games we're just going to say google games and we said oh that's neat wonder what that means and finally we know we have some more insight into that so what's the what did I Ron from android police find out when he found out that there's going to be real-time multiplayer games in this game center or game service ah there's going to be turn-based multiplayer games there's going to be in game chat as well as a no lobby in games yet yet another chat from google Oh God anything we try to go the other direction maybe maybe it's going to be a you know I'll basics check yeah maybe it'll be babble based who knows but uh integrated that'd be pretty cool so there's going to be achievements and leaderboards and of course you can invite your friends to a game so those of you that do android gaming google gaming whatever i'm gonna call it oh that's neat I don't do a lot of it but I know a lot of you do so congratulations Android gamers who knows when it's coming maybe uh maybe I oh it will find out something in I oh uh if you like to do news news save stuff for later uh you know press got some major updates this week with widgets so Scott as our resident aokp fan the man down with the pink unicorn aokp had some some news this week will tell us what's uh what's on a ok peace front I so first they released jelly bean Mr one milestone one this is a first milestone that they've had for jelly bean which is basically a whole bunch of bug fixes and also new toggles reboot and screenshot from the toggles which is kind of nice and very organized from there a lot of bug fixes no reboots things like that just nice and clean they have 1 million downloads which is a milestone I think that's why they released a milestone they also released an app called a okay push and basically what that is is you can subscribe it's an app that's a basically kind of like a donate app you can subscribe to feeds the fees that you can subscribe to our the nightly feed a test feed and a milestone feed and there's also a fun feat um so basically they have a new release cycle nightlies are going to be released every four days which hasn't happened before it hasn't been this quick for release cycle which is awesome and then milestones at least once a month and yeah some awesome stuff so quicker releases it's what I wanted so we have Joe Hindy right now watching this he's the Andhra thority app guy and you know Joe when I said the boring part of the show was was apps I didn't mean that you know your whole entire you know what you do is boring I just meant our show your app reviews are great you do a good job you know yeah we weren't I wasn't laying the smackdown on you know i'm kidding HUD we were we were no jijou yeah i really like your uh i like how you go out there you find the underdog you know that the diamonds in the rough you know the apps that you know art on the top 50 you know downwards you know that people have sometimes a tendency to to not find so thats that's nice help give some lonely developers a few bucks maybe you can you know maybe interview some of these lonely developers in future segments not with that so with that simply see this see this show the show is good this segment is actually good for you Jill anyway is there enough rambling Alana you guys don't even care about I'm talking about all right so let's move on to some news dan carriers do LTE and other things right yeah so so last week we mentioned that sprint was rumored to be launching LTE in some 21 cities today they made that official they also that actually brings so much for total 88 cities that they cover so it's kind of a lot kind of that really they're promising some hundred and seventy plus in the next few months and they also today named 33 of those so that's a pretty big chunk on there they're building it's slow their LTE is slow kind of a bummer for sprint users can deny 3g phone yeah I prefer edge yeah okay only get us because it's best when I XLT v8 but verizon is also expanding their LTE footprint Derek Ross is finally on the list and you can whine about that in his focus on G+ all on his own um but meanwhile some 90,000 people have cited online petition asking verizon to end their contracts um I believe doubt that's gonna go anywhere but that is a crapload of people yeah it's not going to happen but that's fine that's what that's what there's the CEO Verizon actually said he's like if people want to get rid of a contract yeah let us know and then boom yeah boom 90,000 dv8000 people like we call it ignored so what they're gonna do is keep the share plans it simply be like prepaid they're just gonna stop subsidizing phones and think that's what people really want ya know they're gonna let you pay full price for the phone and then charge more for the service yeah exactly then pay exact same prices that you're paying now yeah exactly no it's gonna be terrible um meanwhile though verizon is rumored to be trying to lease or potentially buy some 1.5 billion dollars with the spectrum from clearwire which could certainly help them out of their financial woes if sprint ends up not having the cash to keep bailing them out um and speaking of sprint and getting bailed out we all know that Softbank had made a little over a twenty billion dollar offer to buy sprint they still claim that that deal is gonna close by July first of this year uh but Dish Network surprised everybody by dropping a 25 point five billion dollar bid on sprint so there's certainly some competition to buy sprint now that it's clear that they're on the market um so yeah Dish Network desperately trying to buy their way into the cell phone market meanwhile softbank trying to buy their way into the u.s. they have suggested that they are willing to pony up some extra cash since their bid is about five billion five and a half billion dollars short of dishes even if softbank's losses though they stand to make about four billion dollars off the deal only it's not like the AT&T t-mobile by out where 18t had to fork over tons of cash Sprint's only going to lose about 600 million out of that and then there are other sort of related things that Softbank will do to make a crapload of additional money off of it so either way softbank is going to be fine but it'd definitely be interesting to see Dish Network jump into into the carrier market like that and then in some other entertaining industry news in the world of patents in the neverending appleby Samsung trial the first one Apple has filed yet more briefs arguing why they need to move forward immediately with the retrial on damages and why it would be a horribly prejudicial to Apple if they didn't basically Apple's argument boils down to even if our patents get invalidated by the and trade office we still deserve to get paid for the infringement because the jury found it to be infringing so even if these patents are totally and completely bogus stam some should still have to pass mine and they're arguing it's about protecting their at intellectual property no it's obviously about hurting their competition this is really just getting ridiculous how obvious it is that Apple is just about to hurt this competition is it that surprising though I'm sorry is it that surprising I mean the other companies that they're attacking our you know ultimately hurting them by taking their market share and they're just trying to stop the bleeding and this is basically all they can do because they're not gonna release another product you know more than once a year well I mean they could though they have that opportunity to say they couldn't do anything else is ridiculous because they could they're sitting on a hundred Billy plus billion dollars in cash they could do whatever they want your like sitting on it sure but don't blame my need to set on more more cash than the entire United States government has on hand as the reason why I couldn't possibly some release another device triple has other options and really the terrible thing of this is Apple spending an exorbitant amount of money to go after all of these other companies and the end result is going to be Apple losing patents and losing trademarks on things that never should have been granted in the first place right up until the point when all of these companies went on this rampage of soon crap out of each other for patents people got patents on ridiculous crap because everybody knew the US patent trade office just rubber stamped every piece of paper that comes through the office but people weren't going around suing on them because they knew that they were crap right somebody's going to challenge this patent we're going to lose pen we stand in a better position by sticking here saying oh we hold that on this and not suing people about it Apple chose to buck that trend and they're going to lose the patents for it right they they lost slide to unlock injury they're losing bounce back here losing slide to unlock here they're losing most of their other gesture related or shape related patents here it's gonna end up with Apple not having the ammunition that they think they do I don't think about what Apple could have bought with that amount of money they could I've bought their own foundries and made their own hardware by now made hey ludicrous amount of profit they could by Qualcomm yeah in hard cash they could buy out every stock of Gotham they can launch a hostile takeover of Intel I don't want them to so so then we have a question here from Shane more what what do you think of the ACLU sued against carriers and phone companies against Androids update progression I mean I think they're getting really to the crux of the problem the carriers are saying that we have to do all this stuff in order to support these devices and the carriers have a legitimate position here because verizon shouldn't need to support Samsung's 47,000 devices that they're selling tomorrow HTC is 12 Motorola's three or four ZTE far away you know you've got how many different android oems and you're asking verizon to support all and all of their different devices that is an unrealistic expectation of russ and of ATT and Sprint and t-mobile it's unrealistic to expect them to do that nobody expects them to that with with iOS that's why Apple can roll out the updates faster because they're doing the testing they're doing the Quality Assurance they aren't relying on verizon to do that they aren't relying on verizon for that 1st level support and so you know when the carriers make these claims about needing to protect their network and needing to do all this crap to support all their users there right because they're being expected to offer all of that support right when you have a problem with Windows you go to microsoft support if you have a problem with the physical hardware in your computer you go to the dell for support you don't go to you know whoever's providing your internet because you know your computer is not working well today right it's not yeah I'm cast fault that your Ethernet card died it's whoever major ethernet card sir I'm on the subject of carrier updates no it almost makes you wonder because of the process of it and update queues you know they're taking that on themselves whether it might not be better in the long run that care is kind of outsourced that testing we're like a third party where to take care of it to a third party they're really invested in having the resources to crank out really fast instead of you know verizon does it kind of as a prioritized you know yet the s3 is a really good selling phone so the s3 is going to be ahead of sale a razr HD probably or things like that whether if they outsource did they could really have a third point that gets this stuff done a lot quicker than verizon or anyone elses capable oh yeah now I mean the OEM is make it harder for the everybody to because look at sams as an example just because they make so many different devices the version of Android the chips on the note 2 is not the same as the version of Android the chips on the s4 he is not the same as a version of chips on the s3 mini is not the same as the version that ships on any one of their other devices you look at Apple they should one operating system that runs on all of them samsung doesn't maintain one cohesive TouchWiz code base that is you know everything just branches out of it they build a different one for each device it's too compartmentalized within their company the software stack bill everybody's building their own instead of everybody using the one samsung android and it being pervasive across all samsung devices same thing the same thing with motorola same thing with all of them we have a user comment and mark assets if they can't support the updates and support then the android name then remove the android name and go back to being a closed ecosystem just sell nexus and nobody will claim android as a mess but now that gets you know that completely defeats the purpose of Android there the initial you know you thought of Android was to be open do it as open source and get on as many devices as possible yeah that that defeats one of the original visions in missions and goals with Android yeah I mean the point is to allow companies like Samsung or legs I owe me for example as a you know a niche company that's hoping to sell 10 million devices this year right they build their very own very highly customized version of Android they put it on their own devices that they manufacture and they sell them and then do so successfully right but they maintain a cohesive platform the same version of miui that runs on the my two runs on the Maya one it's cohesive they maintain their software stack Samsung is free to make their own version and ship it than they do but they don't take appropriate care for their product so Dan would you agree with me saying that androids greatest strength is also androids greatest weakness that don't mean that being open source sure and I think that that's true of any open source software is that being open source is both a strength and a weakness I think that's also true proprietary software though I mean I had not to brush off the comment but I think that it's true all over the place of course bad things can happen because of open source software but you know that's typically because somebody's not maintaining it so people were doing their job then they'd lesson had that chance of happening yeah and when it comes down to it is you have to look at whose job is it i bought a device from HTC is it google's job to maintain the code for the device that they don't know anything about specifications on they didn't build it that wine or should they be get responsible for it you know the enemy i have a great verizon they didn't build the device they're not software engineers they're not device engineers why are people going to HTC and saying you're not providing me with a suit work of Android so Dan so AOSP yeah the garden the Nexus line doesn't have a lock screen bug various Samsung devices had a lock screen bug that you know and Samsung source is closed source you know so that that you know but obviously besides the colonel but yes so that that that solidifies that argument right there that you know that but you can be clearly close source and you can still have the those exact same you know it's exact same issues that just because it wasn't it watch just closely or maintained as closely yeah and but the difference there is Samsung is faced with this problem we need to catch this bug in order to do that they have to patch the code of 47 different devices and then push those out get all 47 of them approved by hundreds of carriers all over the world then get them rolled out to users and deal with all the hassle that as opposed to Google maintaining AOSP they push the update to a OSP they push it to the source and it boom it's filtered to all AOSP based devices goes to the nicest for coast the nexus 7 goes so the Nexus 10 goes to the galaxy in essence goes to nexus s goes to all of them at once same thing with iOS same thing with me you I from dile me but that is the appropriate way to maintain your software and that's not what Samsung does they maintain 100 different silos for every individual project and so pushing out one update to a fixed and all of their underlying code requires a hundred different silos to do the exact same thing that's why you're getting slow updates it's because the companies that are building these custom overlays aren't maintaining their software and then you the consumer are left with you know the fallout from that and the argument is why maintain it when you know the lifespan of a toys is so short and you know and then you go to the fact that the contracts are long and you know they have to keep the devices will tough luck go with somebody that has a no carrier you know fork you're running over right away I mean it's all avoidable if you really want to but you have to be somewhat educated in order to actually do it because nobody you know oh I believe John you wanted to say say something about this it's an interesting situation of being it's probably the first time in a software experience that this expectation has been put because Microsoft if you look at Windows people are happy to be on XP for people are still on XP yep um you look at him the this Hardware controlled model with phones is really the first example Android is often equated to Linux in terms of that whole deal but the thing with Linux is linux unlike android doesn't have the advantage of applications that are compatible across the board Linux is big Achilles heel has been the lack of a package manager that will work universally on say you bun to fedora or so you know if Android was Linux it doesn't matter if samsung or HTC or whoever's it does it because it still runs the applications so when you don't break third-party applications that part of it still works so where does open source come into play it gets modified and kind of like the lockscreen boat like was mentioned because it affects Samsung it only affects samsung users it doesn't affect the whole ecosystem whereas what iOS which also has a lot of screen bug it affects every single user in that ecosystem so there's some obscurity that comes with open source that can i you could say helps in that sense kind of like with a linux distribution if you're running slackware there's a you're probably not going to get a virus and you're probably not ever going to get a virus because nobody's going to invest effort to specifically exploit something that's so small are so broken from the rest out of it so when you kind of have everything a fully stacked deck in one investor downside of closed source is that when everybody is on this exact same thing it's so much easier to target when it comes to vulnerabilities when it comes to things like that so yeah yeah I mean I do agree androids biggest strength is also its biggest weakness but it's also our processional thing because this is really the first time that an open source operating system has reached the consumer love yeah where it just has existed before at all and the expectations and the perception of it is completely different than what you've seen from anything in the past okay um let me talk about this giveaway real quick here I know if you've already watched me same twice well you know you're gonna watch me do it one more time right so actually no you're not gonna hide my face so we have these exclusive rare limited edition run that you can't get anywhere else uh galaxy s3 graffiti cases they are officially licensed art by tats cru tats cru has been doing professional world famous bronx-based murals and street graffiti streetart since the 1980s they've been commissioned by New York institutions museum schools and major corporations these are slip-on clip-on cases for the galaxy s3 the retail price in them is thirty dollars because it's it's all about 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but people start getting glass this week um very cool interesting conversation next week yeah I said you know a handful people got already more and more people are going to be getting it over L you know the next few days and ultimately they'll be thousands and thousands of people to get it probably over the next month or two to see that video the go-kart above Joshua Maria you know that was pretty cool yeah very cool I've been been watching it I'm excited I johnathan franklin dyer if i had glass contest winners and so we don't know when we're going to be able to get it yet i'm going to guess based on completely nothing and say june first because that that way it's a few weeks after i/o and things can die down a little bit for google but that's just me who knows when it'll be but it's exciting times uh all sorts in a glass information is coming out you know got the official specs you know we got you know how that you know just some insights and how glass actually works I you know how you can use it for voice commands and the trackpad and recording videos and you know taking pictures and so forth with people's consent you know all sorts of neat stuff so yeah we will obviously we talk more about glass as more and more develops in the near future and as special especially with John and I doing here like you're like a month and a half or a month like we're gonna have like hangout ception like John and I are going to be joining from our webcam out and it's never going to join from glass too so you could you'll be like hangouts it glass ception hangout ception or something yeah that are we can do a myspace style we John I could go to the bathroom and stand there in front of the mirror so you guys could you guys could see us in front of a mirror and just do the show through glass now the only thing is that we got to uh but we got to practice our duck faces no John yeah we can do that okay alright so I'm being told to shut up so I guys have a good night thanks for watching 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