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welcome to android authority on air the original android hangout show on google+ I'm Derek Ross not I'm Dan Charlton I'm Johnathan Franklin and as you can tell Scott Anderson is not with us this evening unfortunately he couldn't be here but he's here in spirit I'm sure so so let's get started and find out what we're gonna talk about this evening well as you know pretty much the mecca of all Google and all Android things is happening in a few days in San Francisco it's pretty much Christmas in well this year it's Christmas in May and we're going to talk about what predictions thoughts expectations you know what we want to see or what we think we're going to see in a few days from google at i/o 13 and who will find out that bill gates thinks that we're frustrated or frustrated and that sucks because we can't create documents on our android devices that he thinks we can so we'll talk about that uh we got some app updates as usuals we're gonna yell about some carrier stuff you know they're doing LTE you know because they've been doing that forever now and we've hit some devices we talked about some cool root stuff I have cm 10.1 on my HTC droid DNA and we'll talk about some patents so so let's say yes let's let's get started here all right so as we said I of 13 is in a few days so what are we looking to see what do we think we're gonna see what what rumors and speculations you know can we put together in hell what do we want to see that we might not see so Android 4.3 chances are it's coming in that chances are that's the version number but version numbers really don't matter yeah it could be could be version 4.7 2.3 I don't really care version numbers don't mean anything but we've seen various logs Oh on our website as well as other Android news sites show android 4.3 in the web blog so chances are that's gonna be the version number but like I said that doesn't really matter so so what what what do we think we're going to see with Android 4.3 well we know that a few months back on code google com bluetooth low energy or Bluetooth smart was referenced and that that's a big thing because what uses and what needs bluetooth low energy or ble google glass and right now there's no official support for Androids that's a big thing I mean HTC has their own you know Bluetooth Low Energy stack Samsung's doing it so just their own Bluetooth stack yes and Samsung's doing it but no they're not the same they don't work the same so to have you know a unified stance on it that's great so we'll be able to have more Android devices support this down the roads and throw chances are they'll be using similar or the same code so that that's awesome I'm excited for that you know so we can highly speculate that thats coming since it was mentioned it might maybe possibly be supported down the road um one thing I'd love to see that you know unfortunately we can say that iOS does it better you know iOS does do a thing or two better not very many but right now iOS backs up your your app data so there isn't there isn't an official solution from google to do this sure you know your wife i'll be backed up it'll automatically restore all your apps from the Play Store but you know when you're on level 72 of Angry Birds that's not going to be backed up unless you download a third-party app and do it yourself so it'd be nice to see you an official stance on that what do you guys think is that something that you want to have your ear your data automatically being backed up yeah i mean i'd like to see a bit more of a unified approach from google in terms of all of their data storage right you get usually around 10 gigabytes of storage in your gmail you get 5 gigabytes origin your drive you get unloaded storage in your pictures through google plus you get another unlimited amount of storage for your contacts you get another 20,000 songs worth of songs it'd be nice if all of this was unified into drive just as separate special folders for each of these things that adhered to all the different data limits that way you could unify all that stuff and have all of your data back ups and have a lot more control over those backups because right now they sink sometimes but it's not really clear when or how or where that data goes and you don't really have any access to it after the fact so if they exposed all of that and made it more you know user-friendly and controllable that would really give people all that back of ability they need as well as a unified access to everything to be dry that's a that's a big point another thing in it that even Chrome OS does better than android does there in terms of drive is just a android is a really good file manager from you know to we think about how files are done you know most of your desktop operating systems if they had a file manager then really manage music and pictures and does is right now you're really depending on the independent apps to manager media that we're a really good file manager would alleviate a lot of that problem absolutely if it had like an open API where even companies like Dropbox the fuse box or something else I in it at one place yeah would be a big really good thing for Android to have just as a stock option for anybody yeah could be huge alright so you know androids huge obviously we have no clue what's coming what awesomeness is going to be bestowed upon us but we do know something so we do know that an android gaming center is coming you know there's there's a million signs out there Google hired you know a gaming industry a bigwig you know and his title on linkedin was android place to do you know header manager you know for a while and then got changed you know we've seen leak from the myglass app that had all sorts of code referencing Google games thanks to android police is amazing APK teardown and thanks to a new APK teardown the new google services app that the google services after those you don't know is the little green g icon it has all of your google services inside it such as google for google apps yeah yeah for for your google app that it's a one-stop shop for all your google apps settings basically and the Google+ sign-in and stuff like that so a new version started rolling out to people and when you rip it apart d compile it and start digging into it enjoy police found out that there's all sorts of game stuff out there and that's how chances are that's how it's going to be delivered to you that you know they found stuff for notifications matchmaking leaderboards achievements invitations and even cloud syncing your game data so that's kind of what we are talking about but it's it's another way to do it so if it's not a game well you can't sink it so anyways uh what we still do need some type of the app backup to the cloud but so will we see multiple wait you know leaks speculations about games so we know there's something coming around a google game studio a google games play games you know but there seems to be something missing so a piece of the puzzle you know we see everything lining up in a row surrounding something but it's not complete yet so is it going to be a separate app is it going to be a piece of hardware um and that brings me to the next speculation that that i have and that we have here in android authority um we think there's going to be a google TV reboot I don't know what to call it so we'll call it that um feel free to buy thank you call it a new platform right isn't there a session titled the new Google TV platform well yeah yeah yeah we see a session at i/o called the the future of Android TV and in it's a it's a google TV session called called the future of android TV so that makes a lot of sense and when you read the description it says learn how to develop on the new Google TV platform so so right there that basically means that a new platform is coming and it's maybe going to be Android it's not gonna be for Tony comb anymore and welcome was Android well yeah android though so you start so you start digging you start thinking a little bit anymore you know there's tons of companies that have these little hdmi sticks they call them google TV but it's not then we have we know it and Nvidia and and then their gaming device you know and then you have oh yah and their gaming console you have you have all these android games with in sexual hardware so i don't think that if the android game studio or game center or play games is going to be all software i think we're going to see a hardware device and it's going to be a google TV reboot I mean all the signs are pointing in that direction um you know I I think that that's going to be Google's answer to that and I think we're going to find out here in a few days and we're going to be pretty excited that that you know we're gonna that Google is going to take over the living room that way since Google TV is awesome as it is it hasn't been adopted by the masses and you know what is adopted by the masses console games you know every everybody has xbox playstation you know whatever so I I think I think that's really going with that um I still think that's going to be difficult for them to accomplish if they want to go after the console market they're gonna have to do so by producing console level games you have console level games you have to have console little hardware to run those games I don't care how good the Snapdragon 800 and the Tegra 4 and the Exodus whatever comes after the octa are they aren't going to be good enough to run what you can run on an i7 and you know a top-end nvidia graphics card and android really supports x86 there's no reason that they shouldn't try to attack a higher-end console what there's there's still a slight hole and I don't know if I can say this universally about Android but I know that I can say this about all of the hardware that Android has two day to run on its 32 bit oh yeah so yes it runs on x86 but I don't know if it runs on 64-bit is Android itself capable of addressing more than 4 gigabytes of RAM I don't know find out I guess we'll find out you know here in the future what what's actually happening so some of their speculations beside Android itself and besides no new google TV hardware um we know that Babel is pretty much coming and it chances are it's it's not going to be called Babel anymore it's gonna be called hangouts and you know that makes sense the name makes sense I really don't care what it's called I've said you know publicly before it can be called well I won't say what I said it would be called it can be called poop messenger you know in the and I don't really care i'm gonna use it the name really doesn't matter to me it matters to other people but that's just me so but calling it hangouts makes a lot of sense because google is heavily driving um google+ you know heavily driving google+ services home to users so calling it something that already exists or expanding upon hangouts even further to make it a unified messaging platform then that makes perfect sense to me um but you guys think about that you know think that make sense until i mean you have to build off of your previous you know reputation there and it's not like there's anything wrong with google's current services they're just too they're just too many Oh what I'm curious about it is what will happen with talk that's what I'm you know I'm curious about well the thing is talk and hangouts are kind of already sort of half acidly integrated in that you can launched hangouts now from talk right like you use feel to do video chats and audio chats through talk and now they've replaced that functionality with hangouts so I don't think that it'd be really difficult to replace talk with just like the chat box that comes in hangouts and have that just be- the video right for just a chat only the thing is you've already got integrated into hangouts phone calls so why aren't the integrating voice all right is that it's also interesting because talk is the one google at the of all the Google's core application suite on phones is locked into the system partition on phone some that's not in the market hopefully they have the foresight to make it able to be updated on the market easily for anyone I would hope that any unified messaging comes just as an update to talk even if it's renamed and as a new icon just builds off about because talk well I think that they would distribute in a fashion it allows the talk app to be suppressed no as the app itself would be downloadable from the mark from the Play Store the one I think that movie on the handle it I mean cuz right right now think about it so all these android devices have talked installed and now people go out and maybe it comes with up maybe it comes with Google+ is part of the you know Google+ messenger or it's a separate app who knows however it's going to be deployed but so and then now people have talked you know it might be confusing for people you know what what is overcome well you say that but you're also smarter than the average bear yes but so is Google right all they have to do is distribute via the market have them have the Play Store look at it as an update to talk and as a standalone app if that's if that's how it downloads itself automatically for the user it suppresses the the talk app that's in the system they can't remove at that point that man know then that makes sense if their placement app if it's going to be in an upgrade to the current existing talk app yeah I mean it'll be a standalone new app and replacement but it'll be kind of the same way that drive just suddenly replaced as an update google docs yeah I'm hoping it really takes that route because yeah google knows how to code for the platform that they freaking design right like they they can make this happen pretty easily well I guess we'll find out so let's talk about some other apps uh gmail gmail gmail could be a lot better um it could it could looks similar and acts similar to Google Plus you know with slide-out navigation you know so you're seeing all of your folders listed and they hide when you're not using them and you know could be you know that's slightly more colorful it could be more hollow fide you know if you will so I'd like to see a little you know do gmail is very simple i'd like to see it change a lot like those renders we saw you know maybe a month or so ago where a fan put together some artwork and it looked in all up a lot like Google+ but it was gmail I was a big fan of that and John I think you're going to talk about in here a minute some things that happened along those lines updating existing apps such as Google Shopper and Google Earth but before we get to that um maps google maps you know great extremely powerful we'll use it every day we love it but the iOS version is gorgeous not to say that the android version isn't gorgeous but the Iowas version looks a little bit better so maybe we'll get a more Hollow esque in more holo design with maps I'd like to see some type of updated design with it the music is worth mentioning to light the last of the honeycomb Tron yeah how how is this house music still look music hasn't been updated besides functionality since since Tron honeycomb you'd be fed of bats know that it needs it needs to get beautified it needs it needs cards it needs to look like Google now you know theythey you know and it needs to look like the new play store yeah yeah it also needs better functionality it kind of sucks right now and the last update to it actually made it worse all right so google recently pushed updates for Google Earth and Google Shopper and in these new new versions have the new slide-out menu similar to Google Plus so it looks like they're starting to update apps maybe to have that but there's some menu inconsistencies that exist in current apps and these new apps address you know some of that problem so we're going to see more of this get it fixed in the future so right now current problems with slide outs are nobody can really decide whether the action bar should stay anchored or should stay you know when the curves I'm sorry so the action bar stay will anchor when the slide-out menu is open so you should you always have the action bar there or not you know as the menus you know sliding in and out slide men now now some applications move the list out of the way as if the menu is underneath it's hidden and some make the menu appear as if it hovers over the the main app so there's a different implementation then we really don't know you know we need a guideline Google we need to say this is how you do it always do it this way um the up arrow the up carrot is used as a visual indicator for both slide out menus and also for navigating back the previous way so you don't really know is if you hit back is it going to you know go back or is it gonna you know just pop the slide-out menu back you know there needs to be a like some type of unification there some someone say yep this is how you do it always do it this way um so the solution to get rid of some of these inconsistencies Google pushed an update like I said to earth and to shopper that showcase a three-line menu icon similar to what you see on web sites and also the chrome overflow menu I'm just holding it up emotion let me out alright so those are you watching right now hold that there for a minute let's focus it's really semi it looks just like the what they change the chrome menu to after the ranch it's exactly am I menu that looks just like the action overflow tunes it's pretty yeah that you know I think you said it all felt it looks like it looks like chrome it looks like chrome and that means that there's a menu under there and if you slide it there's a sub little animation that actually makes the menu appear almost like the three dots smaller to indicate this it's it's really cool it hovers over instead of just popping the list out of the way it just hover straight over like that and nice it's a lot yeah so it it it's nice it looks it's looks similar to Google Plus but better because the the menu the menu lives menu yeah the menu is a menu the menus a menu so you know when you're gonna bring out the menu when you're not so maybe we'll see this new design come to you know Gmail maybe we'll see it come to everything everything yeah i mean i'd like to see you come to everything I'd like them to pick something and bring it to everything not just to some things for most things but taking everything well you know I already elapsed have their own like it it seems like every different you know development team our designer has their own slight interpretation of the holo UI and you know and each each app is slightly different on depending on what they want to do it'd be nice to have a guideline I hope they put a library out for developers to take advantage of this like the day that they show these applications off because it needs to be you know you can't fix facebook and other ones like that but you can at least get your other developers on board for one thing so let's move on here you know besides apps what else we going to see it I oh well I think we're wearable tech is going to be popular I mean obviously glass is a big craze right now and I think Google will show us some nice use cases for glass such as apps you'll make it more than just notifications and sharing a little bit of data here and there maybe we'll get you know some nice demos or some nice information about some some new apps that are coming out specifically for glass to make glass more attractive to the general public and there's also been some rumors about an android smart watch coming from the Android team so that's that's interesting um I'm curious to see to see if that rumor comes to fruition about you guys when you think about a android smart watch at il hmm I'm not really wild about the SmartWatch idea the reason half the reason I don't wear a watch is because I have a smartphone but if I do wear watch it's going to be an Omega Seamaster so I'm not gonna put a digital device on my hand again I mean I just like the simplicity of having one device to have to manage instead of having multiple yeah I don't even an accessory that's just a front end to my phone it's not that hard to get my phone out it reminds me of the days when you had an mp3 player and the phone and yeah you handle laptop and all that you know I mean it's almost like they're trying to circle back around to that just because the hard oh the hardware vendors are trying to dig to find something to make money all right so I so I see you're saying you don't want you don't want a pebble cuz pebble was you know notifications and not a whole lot more than that so what if it was stock Android and it did more you could run apps on and you know it was more than Google now I gotta run on something that's a freaking inch and a half across maybe you wanna look at your tasks you will look at the the weather yeah but this is all still just basic front-end great like it's still Gary pulling the data off my phone well we don't know that I would assume so it would pull it off your phone otherwise Jesus now have an other data plan for some freak another device so okay so you know i'd like i'd really like to see a SUV you guys are saying i would like to see in the future the SmartWatch do away with the phone the SmartWatch has my cell radios in it it has you know GPS and it has Wi-Fi in it it is my phone and then I use glass to make all my phone call so I don't need I don't need a third device you know I don't need the a smart phone in my pocket I i have my SmartWater and my google glass and and that does everything for me see and like what I'd like to see is one one device that's potentially not a smart anything like not even something you can interact with necessarily just a box you carry with you that is your computing device for everything and then you have your watch and your glasses and your tablet and your phone or really not even the phone because you have headphones through the glasses but your computer and everything else just runs off that box by proximity you're a little power cube yeah so you're always working on the same day it's always unified because everything else is just a terminal it's just a front end for it okay all right so which would also make all of those endpoints a lot cheaper because they don't need to carry all the sensors and all the everything else so in terms of hardware chances are rumors speculate that there's going to be at some type of nexus 7 refresh a new Nexus 7 Nexus 7 reboot dear God do not call it a nexus 8 for that matter don't say Nexus 5 and don't say Nexus 11 because those numbers are those numbers don't mean a damn thing besides a speculation on artwork and you like you know the internal numbering scheme for Google devices and Nexus devices you know so I'm sayin new Nexus 7 because I don't know anything else besides that and chanted what's that saying yeah no calling it the nexus 8 because it's the next number is just dumb dumb because then what happens when you know okay so if the next Nexus phone is the 5 and the one after that's the 6 is there then going to be a nexus 7 phone well yeah so what do you know it's the next what happens when the seven eight nine runs up to 10 well that's cuz you know 6 is afraid of seven to seven right like obviously they're going to have to do something to like to start duplicating numbers because they can't just keep incrementing them when they've already used ones in front of each other yeah I I think it's a silly uh yeah and then people saying is based on size only know because the nexus 4 is a four-point something what sort of Phi that is for but whatever in the nexus 7 27 inch and then 10 inch for nexus 10 but that doesn't mean they were the Nexus 11 is good 11 inch to I you know if this this conversation is making us more dumb right now talking about it so let's get back to nexus 7 reboot rumors but specs and leaks in spec sheets showing up online so we're hearing rumors saying it might be a tenant screen and it might have a Snapdragon processor now then you some yeah I think there's some things you want to say about this nexus 7 Snapdragon processor am i right well we've been seeing rumors for a pretty long time not that this device is going to have a Snapdragon processor and I've seen a lot of different rumors as to which Snapdragon processor it's going to have just the other day I saw some we're running a headline about it having an s4 pro or the same thing that's in the nexus 4 um I've seen rumors but having a Snapdragon 600 same thing that's in the HTC One and the s4 and I've seen rumors very recently that say it's going to have an 800 I'm kind of skeptical about it having a Snapdragon 800 processor though because that is going to be a very top end processor and this is going to be a very priced low-end device so I'd be very surprised to see the Snapdragon 800 debut in a two-hundred-dollar device other than it does that would be processed through huge slap in the face of nvidia i mean that that processor is coming out you know the you know this is just as Todd supposed to be coming out in devices that you can buy early third quarter so two in july august and let's say the new Nexus 7 isn't available until june or july well that which makes it a year past the last one the original Nexus 7 so that could make sense it once availability but still you're not going to get talk to your high-end you know processor straight off the shelf the exact same day the budget tablet launches you know it could it could show up in a nexus 10 in the fall but seeing it I I just don't yet know yeah I one of our commoners making this uh I'm never going to try it the last name there I asked which Snapdragon doesn't include a modem and that's the s4 pro which is why I think that's actually a pretty legitimate rumor because it doesn't include a broadband modem it just includes Wi-Fi so I mean that's to give them the freedom that pretty easily add any network sport that they want but it would also give them the ability to sell a cheaper version of it just by not having that hardware yeah I want to call one of our commenters you know saying I did they like the Nexus 7 HD you know if it comes with a higher res screen and that's that's cool and all but you know I I think a simpler name is better you know we don't need to start taxing on numbers to the end of it I swear the kerwin is HD yeah it's just 720p yeah and then we start you know getting into things like you know asus nexus 7 4g LTE HD like yeah we don't need to do that to the Nexus all let's keep it simple let's keep it clean let's keep it sexy and yeah in fact I actually think that's something that Apple has done well with their branding where they've done away with the numbers on the iPads right it's just the new iPad every time under me yeah you know we laugh at that but it i like that you know yeah hey here is one device for releasing it every year it's always called the same thing and if you want the cheapest version you know that you're getting last year's model with someone selling you an ipad for cheaper yeah you're getting the you know 2012 the 2013 right just like you're getting a camry it's always a port it's always a toyota camry it's just what model year exactly a you don't want it oh so what camera you do you draw i drive a camry 74 oh right obviously not the same thing as one that was made in 2012 00 so you driving a car that's 30 years old no no this is uh the 74th edition of my in well the other side is even if you buy the same tablet four times that year you're always getting a new one yeah it's a new one every single time you talk it doesn't matter if it's before or not is the next comes always newer than the last one you add yep so besides a Nexus device I think we'll see um chances are it'll be a new nexus 7 just because then the previous the current Nexus 7 is up is almost a year old so we have to see something to refresh it and I want Google to let us know make us want to buy the pixel you know I think the pixel is very expensive and it's not a device that everybody can afford so make us want it want it do something with chrome OS that is going to shock and awe us into wanting to buy the pixel you know have all those bloggers out there that rent you know that wrote the pixel off about how it was horrible have them eat their words and say wow when they said this device was for what's next they were they were right this device is for what's next I want that that shock and awe to come with crema less because so I think we've talked a lot about what we'll see what you know we think we'll see some speculations and rumors and thoughts on google i/o so what I want you guys do that are watching live right now or if you're watching later doesn't matter let us know in the comments what you would like to see at Google i/o if you think we missed something or if you think we're absolutely crazy and we will see a nexus 5 damn it and we will see a nexus 8 and everyone is going to buy the nexus 11 or maybe you think it's the nexus or something I'm sorry I'm still gunning for the nexus 4 20's where I am guess he that post i made earlier anyways um so so Bill Gates he everyone knows who Bill Gates says he needs no introduction he took to the news media and he said Android users you're frustrated so what exactly do you mean by that well I'm gonna read you the quote here he said a lot of those users are frustrated they can't type they can't create documents they don't have office there so we're providing them with the benefits of something they've seen and made that a big category but without giving up what they expect in a PC a little bit later he goes on to say Windows 8 Windows 8 is revolutionary in that it takes benefits of a tablet and the benefits of a pc and it's able to support both of those so if you have surface all four of you surface pro you've got that portability of a tablet and the richness of a pc in terms of the keyboard microsoft office and of a pc so Dan how do you feel that you've never been able to create a document on Android no I can't say that's true in fact I've done that my transformer prime is quite good for content creation and hey wait supports a keyboard it doesn't necessarily support microsoft office but it supports formats that Microsoft Office also supports so such as Google Drive right google docs right it's interoperable with Microsoft Office it's not necessarily a full replacement I can't do things like PowerPoint or a vizio or a lot of other but for basic word processing this w base consumer is going to use yeah it works pretty soso a John are you frustrated that you can't create documents with Android yes well I mean there are so many platforms that can create documents but Windows Phone 8 is the perfect example of how irrelevant the Microsoft Office argument is becoming to the average consumer they don't even give a cut to be to be completely honest it's not a selling point anymore at all and the people are running to tablets because they don't have bloated software suites that confuse them because most people when Microsoft asked them what they would like to see come to the next version of office people will rattle off features that office already had that they had no clue how to get to so it's nice to say oh you can create this kind of stuff on there but people just don't want to they're not buying it for that so yeah he wasn't buying it so they can read the emails not so they can write the you know five page report yeah i'm going to you that is not about how many features you know excel has or word has or powerpoint has it they are loaded with an insane amount of features now think about how many features you actually use on your day-to-day basis the average everyday functions can be done in google docs and sheets and slides and well the other thing is it's pretty easy to break the capacity of spirit google spreadsheets yeah its surface area surface is a decent compromise there but it's not a laptop i'm sorry but the keyboard is not a laptop keyboard it is not the same it doesn't feel as good but if i want to do a lot of typing in a lot of creation i'm getting a laptop or a desktop to do it i'm not doing yeah in-betweener that's not as good as one or the other at do it you know and people have shown with devices like ipad or android tablets or cones that they're willing to pay for simpler devices that are catered to a singular purpose people are willing to shell out money if it does that in a really good way yeah it's not and i think good james williams one of our friends here on google+ said it best a while ago when talking about windows 8 in surface pro he said that it doesn't do either of the functions that you know that it can do very well it's like a half-ass tablet and a half assed desktop in one you know if it can't do either one great but it could have to ask each one of them yeah they overreacted to the problem in half assed at the exact same time alright so android users that are watching and listening are you frustrated but you can't create documents do you need windows 8 to come in and save the day is windows 8 the revolutionary product at the end of the tunnel let us know in comments um don't get me wrong I actually like Windows 8 I just don't think that it's any kind of a huge step forward so so John we have some apps that got updated and uh you know without born us into the ground look let's talk about some of these apps io 13 since anybody that may be going in the upcoming week you'll probably be interested in getting this when you can scan attendee badges via NFC you can schedule changes immediately you know they're immediately synchronized between all of your devices you have a lock screen widget for viewing your agenda on the go you have Victor mate vector-based maps you have dedicated hdmi output for live streaming automatic Wi-Fi setup for attendees that will probably be very nice there's an off-site attendee mode for live stream only viewers you can use Google+ for login it has support for viewing office hour sessions and you have improved support for devices with rtl locales so if you go on Io make sure you update your application it's got a lot of goodies in there so you can make the most out of the conference um Spotify got a pretty significant update with the biggest one being that you can filter and sort out your playlists and tracks better alphabetically you know a to z war z da it also remembers what you were listening to the last time you logged out um another one is viber which is a common histon messaging application and it got a very major very good-looking hollow redesign so if you're you know if part of the community that uses viber for doing messaging over data that one's definitely worth looking into all right you know I haven't uh haven't tried viber yet i I've heard a little bit about it but I don't ly know a lot about I want to try one of these days I just I can't get excited for messaging solutions that require you to have to spam your friends and ask them to join well yeah that that's why I never gonna know what's app you know cuz ya it's only as cool as the six people that you know that use it so if I'm not gonna go out there and beg everybody I know to use another app so that yeah that's why I'm looking forward to to babble so day in carriers they do all sorts of cool stuff right yes so 18 he's been doing a lot lately they launched LTE in some 16 more markets so pretty big expansion on their ltd footprint trying of course to catch up to verizon additionally everybody's been a little surprised by t-mobile's all uncarrier no contract approach and so AT&T is responding with their own no contract subsidiary i guess called a 0 or aio wireless except it's no LTE it's going to be capped at for megan's per second on their relatively paltry hspa+ network uh and you can get for the low low price of four dollars a month i'm going to talk text and 250 megabytes of data megabytes of data megabytes so that's not huh so for $55 you can step that up to 2 gigabytes and then seventy dollars gets you seven gigabytes so that's their answer to t-mobile's much more affordable contract no contracts because there you'll get seventy dollars i think is there totally unlimited everything with you know actual 4G speeds if this included LTE those wouldn't really be bad prices no it wouldn't be bad prices given a little team right and also i don't get lost I'm if their hspa+ was as good as t-mobile's I mean the other thing is LT cost them a lot less money to operate the network so it doesn't make sense what I would put it on net worth it cuz they can keep crying but despite from crunch and charge people are so white hot here's your plan for the three people that will buy into this then yeah so uh John what update says come out I know you have a galaxy note right and your device get updated or was it another new ironically uh on the fifth verizon pushed a four-point 1.2 update to the galaxy note 2 but in canada the galaxy note the one that's a year older just got four point one point two so about what verizon's on pace with this year old devices I Canada so if you have the original Galaxy Note you're going to get jelly bean 4.1 point to which includes a lot of improvements to Samsung's own applications like you get the pop-up video browser a lot of their premium suite and you know even more important than that you give the jellybean features like Google now on expendable notifications in them it's a lot more buttery than what you have so generously now be worth grabbing does that nation ladder is it specific carriers that is a good question it just looks only have Canada I've listed here so i would guess it probably um i would guess the majority of canadian carriers are probably starting to get how imagine the note was probably like it was here where it was limited on what carriers it was carried on to being with anyway not too familiar with kenneth oh sorry I guess we're gonna have to get a Canadian correspondent that what we'll do is we'll talk to the guys over at Android Coliseum and will those guys are ya pretty awesome and we'll start bringing them in here we have Canada carrier updates and they can cover that segment for us also a hockey news section for them and I am in canada news uh here's Ryan Moore with the hockey update so what other device gives as a bad job we've got a rumor because he has an announcement tag for May thirtieth and its imagination begins with a capital G on the banner so second edition of the optimus G may be coming up it'd be interesting to see what they have to announce because the optimus g pro is a very competent device now so it'll be interesting to see what their and the g2's had some pretty monster spec rumors with a Snapdragon 800 and a 1080p screen and a 13 megapixel camera and all the other bells and whistles that you can imagine oh jeez really jumped on getting the hardware out quicker than a lot of other yeah that helps a lot in this market mmm on the root for routing arrahman a paranoid android chat heads multi-window support this is a their edition of it called halo if you haven't seen the YouTube videos on that definitely look around find it because it's really cool how they do it this is what they consider to be how you do multi window on Android it's available for every single application as a notification replacement and it's very similar to facebook's chat ads where you can move it around anywhere on the screen you can be in the middle of a game if you check a notification it pauses the foreground applications you can handle it and it uses their I bird engine to only take up a fraction of the screen kind of as an overlay you do what you got to do and you go right back to the foreground app and start it right back up um the developments really coming you know pretty fast they're pushing how fuzz out um they haven't really put the source code out for everybody that ports from my nexus but if you have a Nexus device you can try this out and it's really coming along very quickly and it's the best multitasking solution on Android and I've seen so far it's a lot better than things like Samsung's multi window because it's it's static you know it it's not you're not send your controlling different parts of the screen this is in one place it's consistent and its really really convenient it's nice to see that the innovation that's coming out of the custom rom community in some of the ways that they're pushing the Android stack to do so much more than then you know what it does out of the box whoever does paranoid Android's like the names for what they come up with really needs a job with an oem because halo just made sense and it's just really cool you know if that was on a sheet advertising in a carrier that would just seem like a really cool feature yeah no that's true so in in other routing news cyanogenmod 10.1 has rolled out RC 12 some 40 devices and RC 2 is now starting to roll out as well or I guess soon we'll be rolling out this is this is really very very ridiculous they're basically pushing a release candidate release so that way they can have one out before Android 4.3 or five point 0 or whatever new version it is comes out on Wednesday Wednesday they've been working on 10.1 for six months now and are finally getting a release candidate I get it they support some 40 devices and that's ridiculous I don't think anybody else supports that many devices right like I'm not trying to knock how hard that is I worked on cyanogenmod projects in the past I totally understand what it takes to get all these devices merged in and working together in one code base it's a pain but that's also made worse by all the extra stuff that cyanogenmod does now that used to be a lot more streamlined and simple and it was a lot more about getting more and more devices support basic almost straight up AOSP support with some very light modifications on top they've gone very much the same with a lot of the OEMs have where it's such a heavy level of customization that it takes so long updated for all of these to my sins and so as they keep trying to support more more it's just going to slow things down more I mean seriously pushing out an RC just in time for the next version of android to come out like what you didn't know there was going to be another version of android google has said for quite some time one release every six months two per year right like this isn't news then kept people in the dark about it they've been saying it for years well cm9 and CM 10.1 also hit hit their final release stage a few days before the same day that is becoming a habit I forget what it was but the day it must have been when 4.1 came out so so it have been cm9 finally hits table the day of io last year because nobody believed the new version of android was coming out and then the day that it came out cm9 became stable I remember but now it was stable for a while I would get me wrong it you know there might even a bug or two but and they wanted to clean up as many bugs as possible before saying it was stable and I'm sure that's the same way that it is now you know its board it's stable enough there's a bug or two that isn't a showstopper that they were just trying to tweak here and there yeah but you know what china jamaat used to be the cutting edge of the custom rom community and when they're struggling to put out a release candidate not even a you know 10.1 release but over RC two days before I oh yeah their thing that is not a batch you remember OMG be you know ha yeah you know what was rumored we go MX I think there's a market for a rom like that now that's just straight up from source google you know yeah compatibility modifications only you know and you know i think that i think this is why paranoid android remember we had them on the show of things like they switch to their own Fork because waiters engine mod becomes such a pain now yet they didn't want to deal with you know they're you know bugs and they didn't want to wait for night leads to become stable and early candidates and you know monthly bill didn't want to do that they wanted to do their own thing so now they're based off a OSP and and they're tearing up haha I mean they're doing a look I they're doing the most innovative things out of any custom rom right now no I have degree and I mean I don't want to sound like I'm dissing the cyanogenmod desk because they do a lot of really hard work and I'm friends with a lot of those developers and I'm not saying that they aren't working our asses off they are but I think that if they had some better project management and some better organization in terms of the way they they control the process broke out some of the customization abstracted that away in terms of development not just in terms of you know abstracted encode but the actual management and lifecycle of an abstract away from the rest of the Brawn development they could move things along a lot smoother and a lot faster right you don't need to have your entire rom at a release candidate stage because this one happens and done everywhere that sounds like the roms fine it's just this one half that's not yet ready to RC so don't release them at the same time right you don't need to either way cm does amazing work they do they absolutely no it would be nice to have things hits table faster but there's always things such as running unofficial unstable builds on your phone such as the HTC droid DNA which today finally got a working camera so I actually flashed it on my phone for the first time um it's we've had a bastardized rom and i'll call text that's what it was for a long long time but you know there was no sound or the salmon work and then you could you could make a phone call but phone calls sound didn't work you know and slowly it's been getting more and more and more stable and finally today Chad you remember Chad from the HTC incredible days dan yeah well he got he got the DNA uh I'm gonna say two months ago and he basically said I'm not messing around we're getting you guys a stable rom and he just was busting his ass and he got camera working today and you know what I can take pictures front facing rear I took like 100 literally a hundred photos earlier just trying to break it I did get a camera force close i rebooted it was fine but you know I don't let me take a hundred pictures in a day so I'm happy and it's AOSP you know you know it's AOSP for my DNA I like this phone now I I have hated this phone for the past couple months but I actually like it now and it wears the rolls around no Thursday rolls around and you know something happens and we on you know a new Nexus or the motorola x phone rumors become confirmed and and then I'm like no I need this phone but but but this I can okay let me say this now that the DNA has CM 10.1 this can safely last me until I get the next phone because I was getting scared I know what I was going to do you know I I can't you know I I didn't know what I was going to do I couldn't go to a samsung touchwiz phone you know I need a OSP or our phone that has supports you know AOSP based rom so now I'm happy with this film I love this phone it can make it I can make it last I may I don't love it but I can make it last until the X phone or some who knows whatever comes out even if I'm still hopeful that the X phone comes down and Verizon anyways enough rambling about me um II and uh anything patent worthy this week to yell about yes so the the FTC in the dr j been taking comments on patent trolls basically they call them non-practicing entities or npe he's a nice happy acronym but that's a term that newegg for one doesn't really think applies in fact they were hood in a brief and said no these are patent trolls and it went pretty into detail about why they are trolls and the definition of the word troll and how what these companies do is exactly that and then proceeded to call them trolls throughout the rest of the brief in mean it was a pretty well written brief beyond just the troll part like they they raised some very good points and really we're expressing why patent trolls are not just making it hard for the likes of samsung and google and HTC and motorola but for newegg because some control has some obscure patent on some piece of some web technology and then runs around suing people like Newegg for having it on their website as though all of new eggs profits is because of some button somewhere on one page of their website and so they have to defend themselves or else settle because it's cheaper than trying to defend themselves this isn't the way the company should have to do business and I for one agree with newegg so hopefully the FTC in the DOJ you know start listening to all of these companies that are writing these briefs and do something about the problem meanwhile in the apples a samsung case google along with redhead HTC SI p and rackspace are trying to file an amicus carry brief in the case Apple unsurprisingly has opposed it complaining that Google as an interested party which on the one hand is kind of true but on the other hand Apple has been very careful up to now to exclude Google from its legal underhandedness so it's interesting now to see them jumping out and saying no no no wait Google is an interested party here there and essentially in their filing they quite Google to a co-defendant so it's a little interesting to see Apple take that position the other problem there though is even if you take Google off that list HTC is the only other company that has a hand in the mobile software business at all rackspace SI p and redhat aren't making mobile phones or mobile operating systems so the the brief is still going to come in even if google's name doesn't end up on it so Apple is kind of wasting their time on opposing it but they like to do that a lot really other than that there hasn't been a lot of this in the last week or so well well that's good you know the less patent wars the better yes it's almost like a segment we have to report on but we don't want to you know I wish author to be no new yeah exactly well yeah we want the last news to say okay and this this uh you know State Department the Justice Department rolling is going to alleviate all patent trolls and fix everything no I want to see the appeals courts hand on rulings and sake stop acting like petulant children and go see her binding arbitration deal with it negotiate the contract and swing it okay so i think i think that wraps it wraps up for the week so remember a few days from now google i/o all sorts of candy is coming your way if you want to check out the sessions and you're not sure you know when a session is 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