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welcome to android authority on air the original android hangout show on google+ I'm Derek Ross i'm scott anderson dan Charlton and I'm Johnathan Franklin this week we're going to talk to you about Motorola's new logo and what that means for google we're gonna hit up some developer news we're gonna hit up the google play edition devices let us know in the comments what you think about them if you're going to buy them we're gonna hit up some contest information we're giving away a galaxy note 8.0 we have another special edition to give you a special code for the giveaway we're gonna talk about some devices from sony some app updates from google search google now is doing some awesome new stuff people play movies is getting a little more hollow with the new layout and we just love its root and rom and stuff over it's an engine mod that just protects our privacy a little bit more and Dan's gonna talk about what Dan does best some carrier news some LTE information and some patent wars that judges denied the samsung galaxy s4 on something which is cool alright guys so uh so let's get started here let's talk about Motorola's new logo ok it's a logo why we making a big deal out of it well cuz Google wants it right alright so so for tech week at the bottom of the website which motorola is a sponsor of we noticed that a new logo appeared and the traditional logo that you know we've come to know and love it with a bright red circle with an M in the middle it's been it's been updated a little bit so the new logo wraps the traditional m logo with a segmented color wheel that you know it feels very googley you know that's the google colors but most importantly underneath the traditional m that we're used to seeing it says a google company so why is this a big deal well google has google bought motorola you know roughly a year ago a long time ago and just now you know year and a half later we are seeing the fruits of that labor come to fruition we're seeing Google saying all right Motorola is ready for a change here's their new logo but more importantly we are ready to tell the world that Motorola is a google company because remember you know they've been following along with most likely with devices that they've had in the pipeline over the past year year and a half you know it's been devices that were already planned out already contracts already made agreements already had so they're there they're saying okay this is our Motorola let let's move let's move forward with it so with that said I think Motorola is in need of a tire change and in and needs to let the world know who they are hello we're Motorola this is a new awesome this is the new motorola i thought you know i think google coming out and saying that in their logo and reading a lot of intuitive is is good that's what do you guys think about that it's a logo but i mean it says a lot in a logo right yeah i really could carry much it's not bad i certainly seen wheres logos I've seen cooler ones so you could only her don't know the big deal that Google actually says hey we all motorola in the logo letting everybody know that i think it's a good up publicity it's good publicity for the company and you know God knows they they need that because of where they came from and you know your devices they haven't come out with a device in a little while um I think it's not a googly device I like the fact that they're putting the Google into Motorola yeah the thing is making right the brain where name not that you know the name doesn't make the brand the logo doesn't make the brand the brand makes the name so rebadge is awesome just make it count all right all right so so John speaking of making it count talks let us know about what developers can now do on the google play store yeah so we saw a little bit of an i/o when they dimension that when they mentioned it but developers are now able to mark their applications for Google Play for education and as you can expect this is something that's going to go out to kids and it's going to be a little bit different than the typical play policies where it's going to be very heavily monitored and curated is it necessarily for kids or is it for google apps for education Oh are there places a lot more universities a little bit of both I mean I'm sure there's I think there's going to be a part of the market where you can you know as a consumer you'll get to see part of it to the way they're going to do it is they're going to the developer is going to mark it out to place it in into a queue for evaluation you know by a third party network of educators and then the educators are actually going to assign the apps to the appropriate subject I mean grade level you know an applicable common core standards like the meta-data part of it so this is going to be very professionally done compared to you know what you would see with a normal submission you know just not the developers aren't just going to throw it out there and you know get it stamped as a educational app it's going to be yet very monitored very curated to something very specific for kids to and that's really how it should be especially for young children anyway you don't want you don't want crap ending up in that category all right so let's continue talking about Google Play stuff let's talk about the big news this week yesterday the news that we've heard for a month and a half you know since google i/o finally happened the samsung galaxy s4 finally dropped on the Play Store as well as the HTC One in their pure Android goodness their google play edition this is it is what it's officially being called your your pure exportation quotation right now before you know before we call these devices Nexus user experience you know and various people around the web of said these devices were Nexus devices they're like Nexus devices and we've heard you know a lot of speculation on what they actually call so actually call Google Play editions they're not a Nexus device and they shouldn't be treated as a Nexus device now a little bit of history here I believe everybody here you know Dan John Scott this is something that you know we have wanted that we know losses android fans have wanted to see the talk phones from the top manufacturers come with with stock and roy you know we don't want their skins we don't want their apps we just want a powerful phone from the big guys run stock android right sure but unfortunately we're still waiting for that okay okay i will get to that we'll get to that so this has been something for years that the Android enthusiasts such as us have wanted you know we we root and we've wronged our devices to get rid of TouchWiz to get rid of sense and when google announced this is like wow this is almost unbelievable this is something that you know we've been waiting for so so let's talk about that and before we move on let us know what you think of these google play edition devices in the comments have you bought one which one did you buy why did you buy it or why do you hate it why should we bring out our pitchforks why should we kill it with fire you know a lot of people don't like these right so so let's move into some talking points about this soap hugo barra during the IO 13 keynote said that these devices will receive you know timely updates and everyone applauded and that's a great because one of the big things with Android is you know timely updates Nexus devices are the only ones to get updated right away hey at the previous I Oh didn't they form some common alliance for timely updates yeah it i io io 2011 the year but Betty alliances that have been formed that have not necessarily held up their end of the bargain yeah so that android alliance actually never did anything in the year was actually around but hey last year the platform developers kit you know became available to OEMs and and yeah we're waiting to see a lot of big changes that too so that has helped with new devices though because you're saying new devices with the newest version a lot more than okay all right I'll give them that I'll give them that John okay so so OEM OEM zar going to update the Play edition devices so HTC is going to update their device Samsung is going to update their device and a lot of people were really upset about this thinking that Google should be pushing out these updates to these devices but you remember that these devices Google didn't build you know with the LG Nexus 4 Google was there along the way building the Nexus device you know they were there saying you know we want this we want that you know they they are involved in the process where Google Google didn't build the HTC One you know they didn't build a galaxy s4 you know so obviously when kernel updates which include you know direct contact with the hardware kernels interface with the hardware right Dan I mean that's that's what the colonel does is our steered you know kernel developer in here so the colonel has to come from the guys that make the device because they're the ones that knows how the hardware works so having the colonel come from them isn't that big of a deal they've already released the kernel source you can go ahead and download it you can hack and slash you can do whatever you want with it now another thing it is people are saying so if these updates are going to be timely Google came out and said once again these updates are going to be timely what does timely mean I mean this is going to be within a week of the Nexus devices getting updates going to be a month it's gonna be three months but it's still going to be for their sense device or their TouchWiz device so before we move on you know I don't say Dan you know what do you think about the OEMs being in charge of the updates you know is is that a deal breaker for you or is that we know what these devices were designed for no I think that's the sort of way things need to happen with this arrangement I think my problem is less to do with the updating process because the you're right this more or less is just the way it has to happen my problem is with everything else okay okay so John is it it if you were to buy one of these is that a deal breaker for you that Google is not directly pushing out the updates for you that you know that the OEMs are reviewing the code they're putting it together and they're pushing it out it would make me a little bit nervous because you remember when the Galaxy Nexus came out you had different versions you had to google maintain versions and you had the samsung maintain versions and that was a yak jus the that one was for a long time behind even the verizon galaxy nexus on updates so you know and they were pushing pretty much an identical device and identical software stack and they just didn't push the updates and it was you know some cases it was carriers but still makes you worry a little bit because the OEMs just have been they would just have to prove that to me so so the sky let's say you bought one of these devices right you bought the galaxy s4 for example you get an update in it is it going to make or break the device that Samsung is okaying that update before Google releases it you know is that a big deal to you not a big deal just happy that the carrier is not there um and you know what and I think you just hit the nail on the head this is taking the carrier's out of the equation remember the carries the ones that that have like let's say I hate to save verizon because i'm on verizon but that doesn't matter the carriers in the united states are the ones that have to certify the software have to certify the updates have to certify the radio changes have to certify everything and guarantee that it's going to work 10 times over sign all sorts of paper and then push the to push the update out or okay the update to be pushed out so we're taking one major chunk away from this update debacle here you know it's coming from the people that make the device the carrier doesn't have to approve it you know like I think that's a big deal don't you guys so it's gonna speed things up it's gonna speed up updates are they gonna get them a week later who knows find out 14.3 drops and I wonder it didn't carriers do anything about this nothing it's not you know it's not bought through them it's not directly tied to their network in terms of you know that how you would thank you because they're not the ones that that supplied it so yeah I don't think they can and that's great yeah it boils down to the same thing we talked we talked about a couple of weeks ago boils down to support because the Play Store is managing the warranty handling in the software support for this so that part is the part that taste the carrier's out of the equation because they don't have to guarantee it okay so so it's good that carriers don't happen it's good the carrier's can't muddy the waters because we know they do that here in the US because that's what they do they they you know they they do a great service to us because they allow us to use our devices but they also skirt some things up from time to time I it so one thing to add to this is this puts a lot more pressure on OEM to seat to shoulder this will eventually you know will know this in a couple months this will show their true colors you know are they supporting their device are they doing timely updates and will kind of know you know who's who and you know who decide with all right so before we move on Scott you brought up a good talking point so the s4 is going to sell dozens and dozens of millions of devices the HTC one is going to sell not a variable but it's going to sell dozens of millions of devices they want to support their 10 million their 50 million customers whatever that number is they really carry about care about you know ten thousand five you know what would it you know fifty thousand whatever that number turns out to be that buy it from the Play Store you know what I mean like that's a very small fraction of their market you know did it but the things that the things that they're updating can they be used on both platforms since they don't both have the same framework underline in them dan dan you're shaking your IDs you know what can you explain yeah I mean one of the one of the things that I kind of just like about these devices is that it's not really pure Android it's basically TouchWiz or sense strip back down to looking like stock Android but it still got the sense and the TouchWiz framework embedded it in so realistically there's no reason I can think of technically why it shouldn't give it a run since apps just fine or toes so the the TouchWiz or the sense framework that is still that is still relevant to the device in the colonel yeah that's I mean that's another reason why did oh yeah is have to be involved with the releases and the update process because they aren't just writing the you know bringing the hardware and writing the hardware abstraction layers they're writing the whole software stack okay okay all right so so let's let's talk about the next talking point here so people are flipping out that these devices aren't Nexus devices yeah so so so what does that mean well they're not being updated by Google Google isn't providing the factory images like they do for Nexus devices there may never be a factory image provided nobody supplies factory images but there probably will be factory images provided because pick your samsung or HTC device I bet you we can find some factory images for your device whether the belief for direct at the blatt this time there is no direct factory image provided right from Samsung rendering the colonel because they have to comply with GPL but they're not providing and in a you know an image file that you can download to these devices and you can flash oh that isn't available yet there is no requirement that that is ever going to come it might and that's awesome if it does but that doesn't mean that that that doesn't mean that they have to do it just because we want it or just because other devices sold on the Play Store you know Nexus devices have that capability now another differentiating you know factor here is factory you know binaries obviously you know we kind of have that we don't really have the source code and we have the colonel but we don't have the we don't have the operating system source code besides the AOSP we know it runs AOSP we know we have the the colonel but there's obviously a few things here and there that are different on these devices right you know we're just talking about how the the framework is modified so are we going to see that source code like we do from you know a Nexus device there's no requirement to do that you know are we gonna see the binary so you can download AOSP you can get the binaries you can pop them in and compile your own rom probably not that they might but you gotta remember these aren't Nexus devices what these devices are is they are stock Android you know from from the outside its stock Android for people that don't want to root their phones and want to run the latest device its stock Android for people that don't want to avoid their carrier warranty and run stock Android it's for people that don't want buggy software that run you know paranoid android are cyanogenmod and run this crap for six months and then they go take a picture and their camera force closes it's for people that want their phone to work and run AOSP it's nothing more than that that's my opinion without all the extra raises that raises one question and what is that John how many average consumers do you think we're going to go to a store like Google Play pay six hundred and fifty dollars for a device that stock Android for all of its merits really probably accounts for less than one percent of the entire Android user base tackling so it's kind of like a question of the business model it may be it's meant for that type of consumer but is that consumer really even gonna use that Avenue to begin with you know who's this really target and you know I'm confused about that because the average person does not know that you can go to play google.com and buy a phone so so who are who are these play edition devices as John said who are they targeted towards who are they supposed to be four chances are if you're watching this or you're listening to this you have rooted your device you're on your device if you own one of these devices you can already run up sent you know sign engine mod or paranoid android or AOKP something like that you can already run an AOSP based wrong but but but I'm still going to say that you know those are buggy from time to time you have to wait a long time for them to become stable and these devices provide a stable build out of the box you don't have to wait three or four six months for somebody to give that to you and you know it's going to be supported you know a year a year and a half from now so true so I think in closing here to talk about these devices I think that the Play Store edition device is the markets little confusing but they're not going to sell a whole lot but I think for people that want their phone to work that one stock Android it's a good choice I'm happy the way that it turned out I think only good things can come from it i I'm not sure you know uh anything else besides that dan what's your what's your 30-second recap on the Play Store devices what what do you think about them well throughout everything you just said you probably said AOSP a dozen times and that's the worst thing you possibly could have done because these aren't AOSP you're not gonna get the wrong code it is all proprietary there is nothing open source about it it is not stock Android it's sense with sent straight back off of it just like the HTC first is sense with sent straight back off of it and then facebook home dumped on top it's still all HTC framework and still all HTC code it's still all HTC's problems it's going to look like a USP but if you really want that and your basic consumer get nova launcher okay so nova launcher fixes the launcher but doesn't fix everything else you won't know that HTC has their hands in the mix unless you're a developer unless you're a tinkerer unless you download the colonel and you look actually look at the colonel the average person isn't going to know that hey look HTC's still tinkered with the colonel the average person also is gonna care about the stock look and feel the person who's going to care about the stock look and feel is gonna care about it being stock that's true no matter if root HTC is overlaid crap strip back down to kind of maybe being sort of almost there all right so John about these devices what's your thoughts I think the people that get them will get them you know they'll get a good device I mean because you're talking about the two top flagship devices on the market but you know and the software they'll probably be very happy with it to the development community is going to be pretty much exactly the same as what you're seeing for the current devices now and probably the only disappointing side is that what I was excited for was not so much the devices but what it could have done to the development community had it been open you know would have given them a clean slate for the you know from not having to have projects like San gym workout Bluetooth and sound and Arielle's and you know all of the stuff that takes months to try to get right before they can move forward with the project it could have been erased you know day one with these devices and just really did that's the only disappointing aspect of it to me because the people that you know there are a lot of people that get carrier phones they're going to root their devices and want to push something like this and they didn't really benefit from this you know I think one of our viewers I think Matt wallabee clarks pretty much said it best that the market is is is the same it coincides with people that are already going to do this you know people that are already going to go to XDA or or insert random website here to download this to modify their devices they're just doing it for you you know it but then again the people the people that can do it why won't things they can buy the device for two hundred dollars on contract versus six hundred and they can do it themselves so it's although confused it's cool don't get me wrong it's cool but it's a little confusing you know it's the tiniest step in the right direction no yeah yeah that does true a step in the right direction no matter how small it is it's still a step in the right direction it's like a like a half like trip like you're like walking along trip like the OEMs got drunk and fell down and got that much further forward well not entirely drunk there's a little bit tipsy that's drunk and tipsy I can I want to be interesting though is if if HTC and Samsung can get any kind of user data off of this versus the user data that they would get off of their typical you know and feedback from the users themselves you know if you're talking about that average type of user you know something they find confusing in Samsung's software stack versus AOSP being easier you know maybe we'll give them some kind of metric to go off of the oh we need to work on this yes like oh my god my eyes are on fire stop with the assault upon something around those lines maybe it'll help a little bit I really hope Scott go ahead let's move on lets you say your last comment about this I really hope one device manufacturer comes out with a flagship phone that is strictly AOSP that would be cool and I think HTC kind of needs to just because you know their sales that are having issues yeah mom and they need to do something so why not side with AOSP and just kind of blow it out of you know because they're they're build quality is awesome and yeah like dent like Jen said step in the right direction I like the fact that they're cutting out the carrier's but it is one of many steps that need to be taken yeah it's just you can fire all of their sense developers save all of that money and just porn AOSP to their and push it and I bet they would sell it on more devices all right so so if you're into ruin and ramen which we'll get to in a little bit system dumps from these devices are available and people are already taking the system dump supporting them to the international versions or AT&T mobile versions of of these devices you you can find those threads on your favorite routes wiki or xda-developers forum as yours on the International s4 that would be a healthy versions only and in Europe in your quest to get more information about the Google Play devices if you're like me you don't own HTC One or an s 40 anyone advise you hate anyway sorry sorry those are going to getting ready to go off on a tangent um if not if you own a non s4 from the google play store and on acc one and you want your device to have that wallpaper that live wallpaper if you want the boot animation if you want that new android 4.3 camera because remember the 4.3 camera that comes with the google play edition devices was leaked or shown at trade shows over in the Middle East a few weeks back so if you want that new camera you can go and download it and put it on almost any device I'm seeing a lot of people put this camera and getting photosphere and devices it didn't previously support it I'm seeing a lot of uncle get this new camera on a lot of different devices and the main thing about this different is is that how you access the camera functions and features and options the wallpaper is the phase beam wallpaper only it's red and it's called sunbeam and it's awesome um and what else i say all the boot animation now you can install the boot animation if those are you watching here on youtube or live that is the Sun beam live wallpaper that I have on my HTC DNA not going to show you the boot animation because that takes too long to show but the boot animation is cool I like it alright so let's move on to I'm sure most of your here watchin our listen for this let's move on to why you're here right we are giving away a samsung galaxy note 2 thanks to the guys at natural motion behind CSR racing check out that app it's pretty actually i installed on my Nexus 7 as i'm not a big game and it's actually pretty cool game I good risk up it's actually not bad like i said i'm not a big gamer but i enjoyed it for the few minutes i was playing it um so last week on episode 69 we gave you a special code that allowed you to visit android authority com go to the contest another special code and get one additional chance as promised this week on episode 70 will give you the second special code to enter and that special code is hold on hold on this is the episode 70 we've been doing this for 70 episodes pretty cool yeah where have you been the past few weeks continue what Scott I'm happy to have you back I'm happy to be back alright so oh by the way I made my bed if you guys can see you for the viewers that are giving me crap about Scott this isn't even your house your girlfriend's place of course you have to make the better you're gonna be able to go to bed that's very true what if what he's saying is she kicked him out and put him on the couch yeah she's sleeping right now okay I so Scott is in this God is on the couch hashtag Scott on couch let us know what you think dirty bugger so this week our code is h2g2 h2g2 that's H the number two letter G and the number two and I and I'll explain why we used h2g2 because shortly a little bit while a little bit ago the wall street journal reported on a few tidbits of android and google information The Wall Street Journal confirmed our previous reports that Google is making a SmartWatch they also confirmed our reports that Android or Google is focusing on an android game console or aim a media streaming device that will also be a android game console and we reported a while back then this device was called the h2g2 and it was a media streaming device that would focus on gaming so that's why that code is being used and they also said that these would be available this fall and they'll be much less expensive than the three hundred dollar Nexus Q that never really made it out of the play store so that's exciting we've known this based on sources and reports we don't know when they're going to be available don't know prices I think it's awesome I can't wait to buy a Google media streaming device to see you wrote the changes for Google TV because well no the Google TV hasn't really gained a major foothold I think that this is going to be google's new attempt to capture the living room they're streaming device they're streaming device their console device that's their new take on the living room i don't think google TV is that but that's my opinion okay so I've been talking for a while John let us know what devices are out in about this week so in case you were wondering about the big phone trend he calling it a phablet but the kind of in between er devices on sizes it's not going away anytime soon and sony has just put their entry on the table is the xperia z ultra or xperia z ultra however you wanna pronounce it and right now this thing is probably one of the largest the hybrids it has a six point four inch 1080p display and Sony is calling this their new triluminos display which is you know they're promising better contrast a more vibrant color balance and then it's got a lot of the bravia TV technology and then it's an ex reality you know they've merged that software in which kind of analyzes the videos and reproduces liking pixels so you know one of the biggest complaints with the Z was the display just bitten I live up to the hype of it so it's good to see they're stepping up there you can ride on the display with any pencil stylus or pin so i guess it's kind of their shot at samsung but it doesn't come with an integrated stylus Snapdragon 800 it's probably the first real device we've seen with the 800 and is clocked at 2.2 gigahertz but they're they're marketing it as the world's fastest mobile processor which they be right that's going to be screaming and it's also one of the thinnest devices on the market is six point five millimeters thin and and is the same water and dust resistant design as the Xperia Z comes with a three thousand million milliamp hour battery 16 gigabytes of storage with an SD slot the camera is an eight megapixel rear camera with two megapixel front it doesn't come with a flash I would guess the reason it doesn't is because the reason they probably went with eight instead the 13 is because of the thinness of the device i would think but uh oh flash no flash interestingly but um i would that's because they were trying to trim the device size down the weight down because the device is huge but uh how'd i can't say that i would want to get a phone that pic and a lot of they're pushing a bluetooth accessory which is a headset kind of like a handset but it's not when you put in your ear it's actually held almost like you would hold a phone and then it connects via bluetooth you can see notifications on it you can plug a headset into it naturally listen to music through and clip it to your shirt you have to get separate votes manage your phone yeah basically it's like a little remote for your phone which actually looks really cool it would be nice to have as an individual thing it i would say that one exciting part about it is this is probably the first Sony device we've seen in a while it's kind of ahead of the market on hardware yeah which you know I mean they're usually six months late to the party on hardware but you know this one's kind of jumping the gun a little bit so I that part of it makes me excited to see what Sony's got down the pipeline I can't say I really want this device because it's huge but i'm sure some people will but it's exciting to see Sony's really kind of pushing the boundaries of what they've been doing with mobile for the last couple years how big the note 2 again 5.5 inches so this is an inch bigger really it's gigantic I wouldn't ask what he said yeah I don't know what little stop you know what's god I don't know but I know you tell us about some app updates that happen this week they made you feel a little bit more excited than last week so Google now Google search a long time going for a nap this one seems to get updated a lot love it and yeah so so one of the neat features that the new google now the new google search added this week yeah voice action tips you get new voice actions play music from your phone or on the Play Store you can also specify what app you want to play it on so like if you say like play Britney Spears you can do YouTube plant magic curious as to why your example was the first example that came to your head was Britney Spears for my childhood I'm having a flashback okay saved offers from google offers when nearby a redemption location which is nice also information about shows that you're watching on your internet connected TV us only I don't understand this one fully uh Derek do you know if it's google TV or any same TV that is on your network is so what so what it does is it uses them it uses a basic protocol and scans your network to see if you have a supported device so it queries your network it says hey we're using the simple discovery method and look here's here's a device named insert internet TV name here and it says oh look this is a device name model number samsung 6500 UEF 72 oh that model number is a internet TV okay so he's watching TV at home and then you hit the listen to TV button which is just sound search but only it specifically looks for TVs and it does a sound search on the TV program that you're watching and then it tries to determine what show you're watching then i'll show you actor information TV show information yada yada yada so now the question is is why couldn't you just sound search and have the TV show up well because it doesn't you know the TV card shouldn't show up all the time it should only show up you know when there's actually a TV that's turned on and if you're TV isn't turned on the card isn't going to show up so that's why it looks at your network and says look there's a TV on are you watching TV versus always doing a sound search or you know you're saying oh I'm watching TV let me go do a sound search so I can get more information that's one how you know you will now works it knows that you're watching TV therefore it asks you if you want to find out more information see I'd like it to be able to sort of program your shows into it so I'm gonna pop up with reminders about that more like highlights from yesterday's or stuff like that ya like like how you do with you know pick your sports teams I want to pick my TV show and you know show me new episodes or show me recurring episodes or that would be sweet yeah I mean I I like how they rolled out the sports and everything but you can really play off of that if you want to without green water different things the right now on a new movie or a new TV show that you're interested in that you searched for or played before is available on Google Play you get a card notification saying the latest doctor who episode is now available for example right but I that information in some way that Google knows of those yeah so what about if so what about if so you're saying you wanted to just pop up on Saturday nights at seven o'clock or wherever you know three in the afternoon if you show on walks look doctor who's on we know you like Doctor Who yeah I agree I it would be nice to be a little more proactive with the TV and movie notifications or are they good to be like set up not necessarily like I had to search for it therefore it knows it'd be nice to just like preset it as well just like your sports teams I mean you can disallow certain teams to be on your thing to follow so that'd be nice to have that and and in your case Scott you know maybe you don't want your TV recommendations to show up everywhere so like you know if you're at your girlfriend's house you may not want certain shows to pop up as being the recommended show you know me oral I don't want popping up good show all right so it's a John let's uh Arden actually no there's more information about apps so speaking of google play movies movies gotta refresh it's a nice refresh got that sidebar ownage that's out yeah the sidebar the visual design you can all it also allows quick access for what you're likely to watch next it's kind of cool and then if you look at the comments on in the Play Store you can find that our people are kind of pissed off because the personal videos is no longer like a tab it's in the overflow button which is I think nice but it's kind of hidden for all those people I guess yeah so people are pissed off about that but personal video is still there it's just in the open full button and Facebook comes out swing in with a beta program now this is something that you know there they stated that you know they're one of the most downloaded apps and the Play Store which is pretty much true because you know a lot there's a lot of people on facebook and they lot of people use the mobile app and the mobile app is so they're driving desire to make it better on more devices and actually you know usable they developed a beta program that goes through google groups which is awesome you know what's unique about that is this beta program got announced at IL and every single 1 i've seen has been available through google plus so it seems funny and obvious that Facebook uses Google Groups a private google group that you have to join and be a member of similar to a community to be part of the beta program but why would Facebook want their users have the wyldwood facebook want their users to sign up for google plus to use a Facebook beta they're not gonna do that you know no really cool so obviously they're using groups which nobody uses Google should really make it mandatory yeah I have Google Plus the way to distribute the Bezos well they can automatically urge google groups with us but in my sorghum mr oops you're gonna become Google+ communities that Facebook's me straight faces would be like wait what do we do we just built this huge community in google groups yeah Facebook's gonna announce do you want to test our new beta program please join the social network Google+ to do so oh man but in all like Facebook was trying to push the updates for themselves inside the app and then a google said uh-uh no now this could be the same story uh-uh you ain't gonna use google groups you're gonna use google plus google allows you to use scripts they know i know what could be really funny yeah yeah mines now though yeah we know i would i would definitely go back on all right so so root root in ramen so signage in mod did some neat stuff this week John yeah you won't call it stable or final Tim you know 10.1 point 0 finals drop two devices that qualify for that means devices that are of good quality source are stable enough to be considered final um they also gave some clarification on the Exynos for platform in which is not really a secret but it's going to remain on Knightley's it's not going to get official stable because of the lack of documentation for the ex knows platform and all kinds of issues with the binaries in the source that they provided and also so it basically applies to an international galaxy s3 or any variant of the galaxy note 2 or s2 yeah um next most three devices which are the hummingbird based devices like the Nexus S and the ex knows five devices which are Nexus 10 above like the galaxy s4 those are not going to be impacted because the nexus s already gives them a solid base for the ex those three platform and then the Nexus 10 gives them a base for the ex those five so that's going to remain as it is those will be stable eventually the gas has forged it to newer phones they're still both fixing it um one other thing that showed off this week was a mini-camera tile that actually is able to be added to quick settings so you'll be able to pull your Quick Settings panel down tap and then you'll get a live view finder and then you can take a quick snapshot with your phone that way so it's a little bit quicker way to get into your camera while you're using the device if you need to take a quick picture because the one screen is so difficult enough yeah it looked pretty cool but I don't know how much I would use it but it's nice to have the option I mean since that it's pervasive as opposed to black screen where you have to turn it off and back on yeah the the biggest thing I guess newswise to come out of them is that their next big feature there's really a big privacy and security push from them anyway they've already merged privacy guard into the nightlies and the next thing is that couche is actually writing a secure device to device push messaging which he described it as being kind of similar to how I message does it but um basically what it's going to be between to cyanogenmod devices and going to be incorporated into framework so it's going to be encrypted in the end and they'll be sent over Google Cloud messaging so it works pretty transparently you know even if it's with third-party applications it's PPP so it's in Christian Post authenticity for text messages is built into the system if you're sending this mind without a cyanogenmod device then it's going to be pretty much as normal if we're saying from cyanogen to cyanogen there's going to be you know secured once what's interesting about that John is it right type of notification you know to to say hey the person you're you're messaging is on CM so it's going to be secure you know otherwise you have to know that that person is running CM yeah there are many people I know personally on see them that I mrs. normally but it'll be a nice thing to have for geeks between each other and so so all of us can like text message each other and we're safe and if we text message the majority of the people we know we're screwed okay when you flash another wrong or doctor or when I tried something else is I mean it's a cool feature don't get me wrong it's cool but it's neat and its innovative but as big a Santa janata is and they are by far the largest custom rom in the community they're not that big so for a proprietary internal to CM anything is just silly and arrogant I love you Dan I mean it's just area there's really just no other way to describe it I mean I get that they can't really control the interaction between 1cm device on a non cm device so i get the practical reasons why they're doing it this way but it's just arrogant to assume that cm is that big and that important that a CM 2 cm transfer protocol is even worth wasting your time on it's bad enough when Samsung build Samsung the Samsung transfer protocols for Apple does the same instead of just using a universally available protocol for device to device of fill in the blank manufacturer or type or other specifics it's just arrogant I somewhat I group them it's just air there's really just no other way to spend we like looking for old the internet once twice and nuns and I expected that's right there look what you did I don't think he can come back from that period so rise about my dad the hair covering 500 markets in America which covers ninety-five percent of the population that about 99 percent of their 3g network is covered so they're saying that their LTE network is now substantially finished that said they're still looking forward to rolling out a to the u.s. LTE and voice over LTE both which they plan to start sometime next year though actually seeing that stuff devices probably not until late next to your live ear after that so definitely good news for Verizon customers if you want LTE you probably have a number isin if you have Verizon coverage in general also in carrier LTE news t-mobile said that they are planning on rolling out LTE advanced features before the end of the year they were not very specific about what they need my features a lot of the tech blogs around have been talking about how it was not gonna be full lte-advanced and realistically that's that's really true but realistically nobody anywhere is going to be building a real full LTE Advanced Network anytime in the near future full lte-advanced has a three gigabit downlink capacity and also takes a hundred megahertz block of spectrum no carrier has that much spectrum to spare so nobody's going to be rolling out full-blown lte-advanced I'll to mostly focusing on so the bigger features though carrier aggregation which is going to allow them to piece together non-continuous blocks of spectrum to come up with 20 megahertz or more blocks and they're also going to be pushing the downlink capacity up to 150 megabits per second up from the current 100 megabit packs so the other nice thing the t-mobile has going for them is they've already laid the hardware for those updates just matter of testing about getting embattled devices on the network and then flipping a switch to make it go live so should be a lot faster rollout for tmobile than it is for verizon who's not even starting until next year and then in patent news Apple had been trying to replace a device in their second case against Samsung with the sgs4 previously the judge had ordered them to limit the number of devices and they scoped it down to a specific number an apple is basically just trying to bait and switch and pull one of these devices that's not really on the market anymore off the list in favor of the sgs4 the administrative law judge on the case said no to that that is not complying with the order and apples defense about it was basically oh this is just going to force us to do more litigation to which the administrative law judge responded we've already forced you to kick dozens of devices out of this case that you're obviously going to bring back to litigation anyway so just add this to your next case and move on so it's definitely a bit of a slap in the face for Apple on that one but in other patent nonsense the ITC had granted a inch ocean on Apple products the iphone 4 and below for Samsung and Apple is appealing that to a different governmental agency that basically is answerable to the White House so basically they're hoping that they can get the White House and their newfound anti patent troll you know to strike it down yeah well enough that happens is really anybody's guess really though apples being the patent troll here and has outright refused to pay a royalty the ITC granted the injunction not because of the Fran it's Fran patents in question but Apple is flat-out said we don't care what price you put on these patents we will not pay for them under any circumstances whatsoever nothing the channeling my house is going to strike that down is pretty small because really apples acting like the troll here yeah oh definitely would act apple doesn't roll dance yeah I mean these are standards essentials patents these aren't patents that should have been granted in the first place these are standards essential patents that led to the creation of 3g standards that the entire industry uses and has coalesced around that apple simply refuses to pay for everybody notes in the world pays for them or contributes to them and gets them by way of contributing Apple refuses to contribute and refuses to pay so they'll probably not be able to get the head over turn but then again they aren't selling hey those devices all right so let's uh check out a few 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recently owned an iphone so welcome to the galaxy s4 version of Android to freedom well it's that it's not true freedom yet Danny working the more options well could have more options on your Samsung device congratulations you in the you and Stacey I'm glad to have you aboard um Joe met said earlier we talked about the Ouya I said isn't the yeah actually we are talking about the h 2 G 2 and he said isn't the Ouya an android gaming console why yes yes it is I actually own this piece of oh and he lost absolutely loves it oh my dick so so that's my only net pay for so that's my two-second review I'm but wait Oh your son likes it my son is four years old and he loves the Ouya he play he plays on it all the time he loves it so that's it I mean potentially a cheap alternative to buy it you know I'm not gonna lie I it allows you to install a rom emulator for playing old like nintendo super nintendo games my wife is excited to play Super Mario Brothers 3 yeah teaching so now today I had a really I don't see anything wrong with it I know I know so Sammy says what do you expect the price be the Xperia Z ultra you know 626 50 I'll gonna say I think it's actually more than that I think was uh in the sixth it was six hundred and something euros which I can't remember that translation but devices of similar price in similar stature or they're all about 650 700 dollars sep you know I it's gonna be a flagship device pricing you know I mean we don't really know it's going to be precious and in the States but uh or even international I would say the same price as the note to when it first came out or the same price as the LG optimus pro you know those type of big devices they're all going to be roughly the same a few dollars euros here and there um yes Scott was in the doghouse and you know it we're gonna pick up Scott so now that Scott is at his girlfriend's he doesn't have to make his bed he has to make the couch he's got the major cash you need to make this couch you made that couch right so speaking of weird just mentioned the note 2 so a YouTube commenter says he heard the note 3 will be 5.7 inch in it was going to be 6.3 but there was too many complaints about a fitting in pockets well that very well mean very well may be the case you know this device is going to be available for a few months chances are we don't have a lot of information on and who knows how big it's going to be all the other yet up on that very well may be the case John you have a note to it's 5.5 inches plus some bezel it fits in your pocket write the note 2 yeah I mean uh let's see the bezel itself could be if you can see the edges of it it does fit my pocket pretty well I mean it depends on I'm a guy being guys have bigger pockets and girls so I mean whose pocket are you talking about earlier than HTC incredible oh gee would not fit in a lot of girls pocket exactly i mean it's all relative i think they could keep the same form factor and maybe bump it up you know maybe a fractions of an inch but not that much um you know are they going to jump on the magnet I think the mega is kind of a testing bed for that but I don't I don't see it going so big that they because they were pretty successful with the note 2 I don't see any reason for them to branch too far from that mega mega to be a little bit bigger it'll retain the stylus capability and the software is most likely going to be exactly the same as the s4 you know plus pin features I don't expect it to be you know the the rumor mill tends to boost it up to be bigger than it is it's going to be a super-sized galaxy s4 with a pen mega I so a few episodes ago and the the mega devices were launched that was a thing um it's probably still thing so anyways God mega let us know where people can find out all about android authority on there I don't even when this a while can you do this google+ page Google+ page if you want to go there and comment along with our show ask us questions give your input things like that you 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