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hello everybody and welcome to the Friday debate podcast by android authority discussing topics in android every single week i am of course your host for the fdp Joshua Vergara what's going on everybody and once again I am joined by the usual panel of hosts andrew grush Jonathan Feist and Joe Hindy as we take on a very device centric look at some particular devices that came out or as we learned in the beginning of the podcast haven't even come out yet in the case of the Apple watch but we did talk about the samsung galaxy s6 and the s6 edge along with the HTC One m9 of which are really close to being released and out to the public and of course you can find the reviews for all of those devices on android authority calm but nonetheless we talked at length about our thoughts on the Apple watch and even smartwatches in general and then get into which of the two flagship devices that just came out we would want to buy with our own money as always you can follow android authority across 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she said haha tasers I love that one that's from from one of my favorite podcasts anyone here to listen to harm in town no community creator Dan Harmon oh man my favorite one and they that's the song that they always use whenever it's like the end of a movie where everything has been resolved and there's like that freeze frame like breakfast club style of the guy with his arm in the air I need to do it's in the way that she used it oh man oh man so has everybody been since last week we had a double future last week so i hope everybody got a very nice dose of the fdp last week that almost sounds wrong if you took out the f I'm pretty sure I to marcus's as explicit we just got flags by I by apple right sorry guys i'm on team are not talking about the apple watch yet and we were no no oh man that's gonna be this is gonna be a fun podcast guys I can feel it in my bones yeah has everybody been since the last week's double feature I've been good very a very concise and succinct response from Joe for once look at that yeah just just been uh going through the motions doing my stuff it's gonna slowly get shorter and shorter and one day I'm gonna ask how how are you doing Joe each other yeah man good cool how are you crushing um yeah doing good its it it's been very rainy around here so that's been kind of sucky I've been stuck in the house a lot more than I'm like hmm so but otherwise yeah it's been pretty much same as usual hopefully not too much cabin fever I as opposed no I try to try to get out when it's not right ok and then Phi see if I'm not mistaken you're coming to us from an N 9 no no oh you're gonna spoil it all I had to turn it right off because it keeps crashing the router with skype oh so I'm going to play from an ipad mini oh no no narc side click which leads into how my week has been you know I've been with tap times I've got the ipad sorry the ipad air to the iPad Mini 3 you know I've been putting him through their paces and I've just been finally getting all of my verses articles out so I did the ipad air 2 versus the Nexus 9 last week and I just put out kind of a side by side of the ipad air 2 and the iPad Mini 3 here last night and sorry at the time that you are listening to this podcast it would be two days ago I you know it's been it's been exciting putting these things through their paces and it's been an awful lot of work to put the works together but you guys know that especially with all the galaxy s6 and at one m9 stuff you've been putting together lately yeah definitely I mean there are there's there's almost endless amounts of content that we're trying to get out but you know we obligations are always kind of mixed up when it comes to being like the ones with the devices so a lot still coming I have like a camera shoot out that's very close to being done which actually I'm actually kind of happy that I held off on the galaxy s6 camera shoot out because ever since I first put together the batch of photos and videos that I want it I took even more so I'm even more familiar with the camera than before and I'm gonna do the same thing with the one m9 most likely while I'm out in Seattle over this weekend I'm actually going to be going up there with my girlfriend to see my best friend and yeah this is kind of a habit that I'm kind of not too happy about these days I've done it for the last however so long had been with Andrew authority but when I go somewhere for like a siesta or some sort of break I tend to bring my work with me anyway but yeah maybe one day I'll finally like be able to not do that but that's gonna happen this week so the one m9 is is the phone i'll be using throughout my four days in seattle and her is pretty cold up there so hopefully uh the the cold touch of the metal won't kill me oh it's so cold let me tell you oh boy yeah if that metal gets too cold just pick up the one m9 it'll heat your hands right up or I'll just plug it in yeah the thing about the m9 it's like this one's plugged in that it gets like really warm so I'll just bring an external battery with me hope to cold it's almost like having to plug in your car just don't get to the morbid this is why I will never survive in snow but if if it's not obvious to all of our listeners just yet we're already jumping into it just without even knowing it's a very device centric episode of the friday to be a podcast this week we're going to revisit a couple of topics that we have kind of talked about in the past but now that the releases I've actually happened by the time this podcast comes out or is released rather we have a few devices to talk about but we're going to go ahead and get one out of the way first feisty kind of give us a segue we all got talk about the Apple watch a little bit a lot of reviews are coming out people are getting them on the wrist actually I was out in about an LA downtown LA today I did notice a lot of people wearing it and I expected there to be a line outside of Apple that doesn't seem like there was um I don't know if anyone has a full pulse on how the Apple watch is doing but does it look like its it has the clout that the iphone does or there are people clamoring for this this product does anybody have a have a bead on that no aside from the obvious reasons why that would be a nobody but yeah what were you guys I krushi well I mean uh I don't think I mean I've heard a lot of granted I most of my friends and people I associate with our uh use Android or actually have a couple believe not that use Windows Phone ah but the Apple people that I do have in my life didn't they really aren't that excited for it so from my end no I haven't heard a lot but even if there isn't a lot it doesn't really say much this point because if you remember the iphone initially wasn't like a super hot seller in its first generation it was at my beer but we're talking about a company that didn't have then we're talking about a company that up until that point was kind of unknown I mean oh yeah that's not true yeah we had a coffee huge okay that's true the iPod the iPod was huge and so this is the whole new product category for Apple and Apple consumers have to be you know I think it's going to take a few generations for will decay her it should have been like enough I just kind of feel like there should be enough momentum behind quite literally everything that they had already that everyone was just going to flock to it I mean obviously at the announcement I mean I remember watching the entire thing I even live tweeted the thing and just giving my opinions I'm just all of the information there I just remember thinking to myself that everyone is gonna buy this just because it's apple and I'm kind of unsure of whether or not that's still true and from what I observed down in downtown LA it doesn't seem like it is yet what'd I just say yet you you know that you don't see a lot of advertising yeah I mean yeah I've seen a little advertising but it's not been like blasted everywhere least not for what from where I've seen have you guys seen a lot of advertising I think I saw one thing on TV the other day oh I've seen the end quite a few times by now really I guess I don't watch a lot of TV TV cific or gutter okay um I I mean I've been watching TV pretty I mean a lot of last couple days like watching like agents of Shield's if I haven't seen anything on television about the Apple watch yet I didn't even know it uh it was released until I saw that the you know the Virgin a couple other places had reviews up today like I didn't even know it was out and actually I didn't even know it was released like to the public until josh said he saw people in la wearing them not I'm saying I haven't really seen anybody Oh haven't ok I have has it been released to the public I thought it was by now but I could be wrong but the reviews definitely are coming out um then it just shows you had just how just about my android authority is not yet so yeah yeah I know I'm listening to you guys talking I'm like everything you guys are saying is like brand new information to me oh well you know I mean I'm a tech blogger I should know this stuff but usually I you know I know when since yeah we're totally off base here there's a reason we haven't seen anything lining up the reviews are out but the watch itself doesn't come out till you 24 Oh 24 oh well ok if I could I could say I know brushy said that he hasn't seen much of the advertising yet but I have seen so much that it made me think that it was out already I guess I kind of assumed with all the reviews and stuff that but I guess Apple does tend to let the reviews happen earlier you know then the release on some of their stuff and their because it's a new product category two they're trying to drum up you know get up a little bit about a little over a little off be off to a bad start didn't even know nobody's check that oops but before we uh we started recording I said there's gonna be a really good podcast I've been wrong so far it's been entertaining yeah we're proving we're not Apple fanboys at least yeah no no one could ever say that we're Apple fanboys ever except for maybe feisty over there I'm waiting for I'm definitely waiting for a youtube comment on the YouTube side of things was like oh they lost all credibility when it comes to Apple products were like good like so you guys want me to abuse a relationship of mine and give you some insider information on the Apple watch yes for this yeah my wife's cousin actually works at the local apple store and chatting with him the other day just general conversation I wasn't specifically asking about the watch but he and the rest of the employees they're getting some rather intense training look for the watch coming up and not just general device you know here's the specifications but they're actually kind of taking a jewelry approach he said mMmmm so they're you know they're gonna be pushing the wad I shouldn't say pushing the watch but you know marketing the watch in store from a jewelry and accessory perspective instead of a device perspective I mean that that sounds a little bit smart but at the same time it's going to be weird seeing those kinds of jewel cases and stuff and the apple store and much less have that that I bet you they're gonna get like a model some dude in this some dude in a suit standing outside of the apple store psycho have you seen the Apple watch various a very successful looking woman in her mid 30s wearing a pantsuit like you notice my gosh wink like it with mincha literati sorry gone yeah I was adding on to the nonsense I was just bouta go ahead that's all I was gonna do I was gonna say there gonna be some guy standing up front possibly me wearing an Android wear watch me like all you see in the new Apple watch all right not to totally derail this but have any of you seen the of what was that it was on one of the late night I came from what show where that was the Apple pocket watch didn't know no but that sounds hilarious I can't remember who it was maybe it was I don't remember i watched so many late night you know the skits and stuff but anyway it was just it was just an iphone with a one of those like staying with you one of those Clips you know that useful a clipboard clip to it and then it was a a wallet chain it was pretty funny i wish i had a link but about a week ago but it just popped in my head when he said that the apple yeah they called the apple pocket watch yeah and it's like it's like it's more than just a clip and a wallet chain it's it was some ridiculous price like 2,000 something you know it was but it was pretty funny but an apple got 300 pre-orders that night for a product it didn't exist so I do ask well you know while we're on the topic even if we uh this isn't the released week for it but it is the review released week I guess for this device amparo it's the embargo embargo firm yeah so uh I guess does anyone think that I mean I can see some rich people buying the the expensive $10,000 edition 17 but I guess for me the thing is people spend that much on watches yes but those watches last many years I would think you know I don't you know I'm sure there are between who trade out their watches every year but usually when you invest 10 grand and a watch you're keeping it for a long time do you think Apple huh I mean I haven't heard anything from Apple but do you think they have any kind of you almost think they'd have to have some kind of like contingency like hey we'll replace you know we'll be able to replace the band you don't look through the watch internals for so many years you know Apple show them something along those lines because the fact is spending ten thousand dollars or something to be obsolete next year seems pretty crazy then we'll see that's that's an assumption that we're making that it will be obsolete the thing that we've seen with smartwatches up until this point is that as long as the intern as long as the software itself doesn't massively evolve the internals can remain the same and there's so many Android wear applications and iterations out there that all kind of basically follow the same type of specification sheet that you know I want to be surprised if the Apple watch was a standalone product and they never refreshed it of course that's that's a little Christie say and imagine but i think that the release cycle for an Apple watch is not going to be something that makes ten thousand dollars a waste that's what I keep thinking well I suppose it's true to an extent because they're probably doesn't need for a brand new one every year but as bad or technology hopefully some day gets better that would make a difference you know true and that also assumes and I don't like assuming but that also assumes that Apple uh things that they got the design of this first one so right don't know i don't agree with that at all oh yeah do you guys like the looks of this thing i mean at all up i actually don't mind it so much i don't think it's that bad click shut the nonbeliever sorry yeah don't hang up on me but you know as far as a SmartWatch goes having a display on it it you know it's not too until you turn it on and look at the US that's another story but physical build I can live with it as a SmartWatch you know I did kind of agree it was one the review started coming out that I started really reading up on the build quality of the thing and I I do kind of agree it does seem to have a nice Sheen to it you know and it has this this this air of build quality that's quite nice and I will admit that I've seen the videos from particular websites of the occult a crown I believe the knob yeah that's rolls through everything that's actually not a bad idea I like it I'll admit I like that aspect I thought that was cool but I called a crown for real yeah it's called the crowd narcissistic bastard zzz's that's actually the term for that I look at an apple specific term Oh am I thought it is a watch term real watch term I think yeah that's that's what it's always been called on a watcher I did not know that I just it just seems so like ridiculous Apple calls all the crown recall the watch face the jewels so you can have the crowning jewels all the time feel like a king when you buyer 10 another smart watch like yeah it just sounds like something Apple would do I'm sorry if it's actually going around that is my bad yeah yeah everyone feels like a king when they have the Apple watching the first time the watch goes on the silence well yeah I guess I guess our sophisticated cells probably just refer to it it's like a knob but it is technically called a crown just to be fair that's not an apple thing and it does know that I agree with jose i like to call something like a knob that just doesn't sound like apples thing like it all sound it doesn't sound regal enough if we're gonna continue with this whole royalty analogy um well yeah I 2.5 d glass is what it's usually called but that's you know the shape of the top the rear of it aside from just being an optical sensor for heart rate monitoring it actually looks like what the back of expensive watch would look like and I can't help but think that most of these review units happen to be at least the mid-range ones because I imagine the 349 one is not going to really have that same that same look then you know you got to give credit where credit to do we I obviously looked at a couple of high-end websites that are kind of around our level on in terms of video production if not higher the obvious one being the verge and you know they they obviously have their filmmaking creating the image of this watch so what looks incredibly nice and very very shiny on video might end up looking like a dud in real life to me through some but ya know I I agree that I guess when I first saw the Apple watch and ever since then it wasn't that's ugly I mean at first it kind of like it's not that it's ugly it's the Apple usually tries to you know not just do another me too they try to outdo their design in some way and the Apple watch if you didn't know it was an Apple watch you would just think it was any other smart watch you know mm-hmm so there's something wrong with the design in my opinion there's just nothing special about it either if that makes sense you know sure but it has been a crown come on exactly presently shoulda called it was the I crowd holy crap I would have fit right in this opportunity the thing that's getting me about all the reviews though is at it feels like the HTC One m9 thing all over again words it probably has pre-release software um I was reading yeah Burgess why I made it down to the point where he said it was like oh yeah you know we reached out to apple and they said that they were gonna update it to fix a lot of these issues and I stopped reading the review right there it's like what the hell is the point of continuing to read if the whole experience is going to be different in the next 14 to 21 days you know so it's the same thing with Android wear if you guys remember when Android worth where first came out like oh my god it was terrible like I remember like turning on my watch and screen tearing all the time like apps wouldn't open properly I turned off the Google fit step counter because it thought that me typing was me walking so I had like a hundred thousand steps every day I was like I can't do this I need to turn this off so congratulations you've walked a hundred thousand steps today I was like congratulations you're being disabled forever so like you know and then you see like the results from that like you know was been you know 810 months later and you know it's the OS is almost in theming it's got the same basic core functionality stuff but it's you know so much better it's got a lot more polish and like even my you know the LG G watch that I have you know on me it works so much better there's less drops it's faster you know the apps work better the the faces apply better and work better no more screen tearing and it you know like a josh was saying like you know that the specs probably don't need to change you know 12 months from now once Apple gets a few of these updates down the line you know it's going to be I think that it's gonna work a little bit better than it does now so I think you know I think it's going to be a one of those things it's a wait-and-see kind of thing I think it's too early to say whether the watch is actually good or bad right now well you know bowl it's right now that obviously reviews are going to focus on and right now that we're going to hopefully get our own versions hopefully 23 49 versions who knows I really do hope the entra thority doesn't go too crazy on the Apple watch out against the mid-range ones or anything we don't need the super expensive ones always need to be able to compare the UI we don't exactly we care about the bill call you maybe we can even go to a store and just look at it and compare it to a couple things like for example like did you watch more the urbane and stuff um or the while we watch you know whatever but it's it's the right now that people are going to be focusing on and it does seem like everything so basic still you know it's still a full-on Notification Center and this was this is the one that I that I saw pretty much across the board everyone was unhappy about it's a catch-all for all notifications so you're literally getting a beep and vibrate for every single little thing that happens on on your phone and it's that's obviously where a lot of these smartwatches kind of fail because a lot of people don't want to be reminded of just how much they're missing and that's the kind of the reason why Anna and I we don't have to bring it up like fully right now and talk about it but that's the reason why I really enjoy the pebble ecosystem yeah i was gonna ask pop quiz for everyone except for phi since he doesn't have android wear um are all of you using your Android wear watch right now is on you uh no i have my fitbit on right now yeah i have a Fitbit on right now is what I go and then feisty you don't do you have any any of you to purchase none at all at this time no not at all i got a Fitbit in the mail but and this is because you're joining our our fit group or whatever what do we call it no it's officially called but yeah okay i am carrying my weight a little bit inappropriately at the moment yes i'm joining the curl the club yeah see that's the other side of the coin is the fact that some of the functions that these smart watches have i've given up on on these smart watches as being a viable fitness tracking platform I just can't I just don't think that they are um I have very specific needs when it comes to my health obviously with you know diabetes tracking blood sugar but also i like i like i really like to track my heart rate as accurately as possible and see the progress that I make thrown a workout I don't have a Fitbit but I have a polar and for a hundred and I i used the heart rate monitor strap that goes under your your war on your torso I should say and yeah I like having that and it does activity tracking why not I actually haven't worn any of my android wear or even my pebble since i got this polar and I guess that's where my idea what the Apple watch comes in is that you know even though I did order the pebble time and i can't wait for it to come because i actually really like the pebble ecosystem because it's very customizable those issues of like catch all notifications can be fixed with third-party software that users create based on user needs I love that but you know I just for my basic needs i I really don't need something that tries to be everything hey I've learned that too I I like I still like my Moto 360 right now my wife's using it I still like it but I guess after a while I mean what about I don't want time I miss it was if I'm out and about for a long period of time and you know it was kind of nice to get certain emails and stuff on my wrist it was you know at home it's not really useful at all um and then the whole battery issue I just got sick of charging all the time and granted the Moto 360 is not nearly as bad I'm battery life as people believe it which actually that was the point I was gonna make earlier it's the bad thing about and this isn't just the Apple watch or the Moto 360 this is pretty much applies to all technology unfortunately a lot of the times the software is not perfect at the gate when you get to give you units and but those impressions last forever you know yeah definitely oh and trust me do I know the day I got my HTC one a9 I got like 37 did you wear oven mitts when you grabbed a comment yeah exactly lets you get you anything kidding are you having kidding me did you not read any of the 90,000 reviews that all debunked that stupid claim nope first impressions last forever and apparently the HTC One m9 can cook bread if you lay it on top of it right one day we're gonna do a segment on the channel where Joe responds to everyone's terrible YouTube comments I'm just gonna use that voice the whole video oh did you wear my babies I'm so down cuz that's how I answer them in my head anyway so I want one place I wanted to revert back to feisty mentioned the software in Apple watch I kind of wanted to get your thoughts on it like obviously none of us have actually used the software that will be on the Apple watch but it sounded like you had some opinions on it you want to kind of elaborate on that face you know Joe just mentioned it those first impressions one of the absolute first pictures i saw the Apple watch like after the official announcement was kind of that home screen with all of those bubbles and I honestly bent over laughing it was to me it was absolutely horrid and I haven't gotten over that mmm you know man just got like this image of who's the guy that does the design for Apple Johnny I've right I met in like that guy like having like a kid and the kids at home blowing bubbles in his chocolate milky looks in there goes oh you i I've got it got it was electric car and drove to Apple headquarters like I got it guys I got it bubbles it's hard to make a it's right it's hard to make a scene in a movie really dramatic when you're speeding off in a car when you're driving a Prius um did you guys see that video by the way on on YouTube created originally by are you know a friend of android authority or mando ferrara is uh where he got that that Spanish video of that guy laughing about telling a story and he put subtitles about how the macbook the new macbook was created oh yes I'll so good I give him props for putting that out there that was such a great great comedic video if you haven't seen it you guys totally should Joe and Andrew I look yeah definitely take take a look take a look at it after the recording um so uh Apple I had one more thought about the Apple watch and I'm totally blanking right now um do you wanna do do do they're not happy thoughts on trying to piece it together right now trying to because i think it's darcy message me on slack and i'm totally til you put me out of whack um man what was it that i wanted to say oh um I remember live tweeting the event and when the Apple watch was announced and they said that up to seventeen thousand dollars thing I I guess the one thing that kind of gets me about the whole Apple ecosystem in general is that people are going to pay as much as they want for the version that they want that's perfectly fine but but the one that gets me the tweet that I put out that got like the most retweets and favorites or whatever was I swear to God if I hear kids begging their parents for the most expensive one usually well seventeen thousand dollars that's like that's like one year's tuition at an average college and that's that blows my mind I cannot believe that and it just can't turns me off to the entire thing in general the fact that if I see this super expensive version out in the wild I wonder where human weren't mankind's priorities lie so now what you said especially when I mean yeah people spend this much on like I said before people spend this much on watches you know people who have money but when they do it you know to be fair they're talking you know it's a 10 plus year investment I mean that's still a lot of money more money that I would ever spent on a watch but if you have the money so be it but to spend money on something that's technology that you know like you said it may not go obsolete as quickly as you know we might think but it's still gonna go obsolete eventually you know yeah it's unlikely muscles go chime in that was out you feisty ya knows me i was going to channel the apple haters just for a moment here but you know and and you brought up this video about the new macbook and it kind of plays off of that as well we're in the video spoiler alert basically the guys are laughing off the fact that they're ripping off the customers and i can't help but feel that a little bit with the expensive watch here we're in you know it's different material different experience you know you're getting something for what you pay but at the same time it feels a little bit like you know what let's just charge 17,000 for it maybe maybe 18,000 you know just uh you extra service you get a free t-shirt you know whatever it may be but it's like they were playing craps and yeah I'm just gonna like it to rolling like Dungeons and Dragons dice oh that's oh yeah there you go 10d 20s and just add them up well you know one thing to think about I remember reading this while ago and I kind of uh you know when it comes to these watches you know real watches that cost that money money you have to realize it like a lot of the times they're made by some like one person who spends like six months hain't you know six months hand making them every little component you know putting it together you know intricately whereas the seventeen thousand dollar Apple watch is not handmade obviously well yeah it's handmade but it's you know like 1700 Chinese kids well yeah yeah but it's not you know it's it so I guess I'm saying at least there's you know some value to be said that well this is this you know some of these famous watchmakers might only make two or three watches a year you know and so you're buying their time you know you're not just buying a product you're buying their time your bank oh you're supporting their life you know life's work but that's not the same case with a techno with a digital device that it's not because when you because when you buy an iphone or ipad or an Apple watch the those factories in China those workers never get they don't feel that I remember that reminds me of the love the tweet that I put out during the announcement they were showing the like the procedure putting together the new macbook or putting together than you watch and they're all these like die casting and all this metal and stuff like that I remember tweeting out is this what a Chinese factory looks like and then Michael Fisher yeah he tweeted he responded to me and he was like totally including all of the all of the dramatic lighting and oh man oh they did mr. they missed the part where the disgruntled Chinese workers are hocking loogies into the product as it's being assembled that's what I would freaking do oh my god here's the diecast metal and there's the screen crystal nothing Leila yeah I mean it'sit's kind of harsh we are might be being a little bit harsh on apple with all that stuff but honestly it's this is how you might be channeling what a lot of people are thinking you know cuz the the way that Apple has created this Commerce when it comes to their own products you know i I've I can't help but think about just what it's like to be if you you know if you haven't been out of the u.s. to see just what Commerce is like in other countries i really recommend you you you try like going to like hong kong and just realizing that the entire city revolves around things and whenever there's a new thing that comes out you could just go to a corner store and they have a bunch of those things for sale right there at at marked up prices cuz you know because what they do is they they get it themselves and then mark them up because just that's just how much people want it people will pay that much for four items just to be ahead of the curve so to speak and it's almost as if Apple is playing into that and I don't think the u.s. is quite on that level but I'd be afraid of that being the case so and you know it's that um set mentality especially amongst Apple fans cuz you know Apple fans by Apple things you know almost regardless of its actual value just because it's Apple things yeah and I think that's why the Apple watch is ultimately going to be popular eight if it's just like the cheaper ones you know the three you know the 349 ones like I think that's that's how I hate to say it because you know the floor all four of us except for feisty has a all three of us except professor whatever I wasn't it has an android wear smartwatch and it's like you know it's that they can't seem to break into the mainstream with it but you know Apple you know can leverage its culture because android doesn't have a culture like that like people don't walk around and go I got the latest Android because no one knows what the hell the latest Android is anymore but you know with Apple's I got the latest Apple watch there is only one Apple watch yeah i mean the outside we should I don't know this on top of my head cuz I don't deal with devices like you guys do but I don't even know the latest Android wear watch is right now mmm like I know is your abano out about the urbane you means whatever say this is this is why I'm really bad in these kinds of device centric podcast it I'm a software guy don't know this stuff now those photos are still on their way so she yeah i see like i want in the huawei won the waba which i like the huawei watch see I didn't even know the wall we watching like that's the problem everybody knows the Apple watch is coming everybody knows the Apple watch you know there is no the Android wear wash there's like 16 of them and some of them are out and some of them aren't and some of them around or some of them are square and while you do get that like variety you don't get that like punch you look at that the Android wear smart watch the boom the big the thing that you advertised on television like an apple has that and they have the culture of people that will buy the shit out of it for like no reason whatsoever so I think that like in terms of like mainstream popularity I think apple is gonna win I'm not sure about mainstream popularity buying yes but I don't know i don't think i would not be shocked if the same thing happens that we're seeing with every other wearable device and that's that they say statistically no one uses a wearable whether it be a fitness tracker or a watch for more than six months before they get bored and they move on and i wouldn't be surprised of Apple watches the same way you know yeah I'd say people were going to continue using it I just said all about them it was gonna be a thing that people know about easy like the average consumer knows that there's kind of sort of like an Android where's where do you even buy the damn things well this is a desolated this is a culture that was cultivated by Google and it was because you know look at what happened when Samsung started to kind of butt heads with all the other manufacturers like HTC and LG saying that they were the phone they were the android phone or they were the one to get whether or not that's still true is up for debate but look what Google did they start pulling the reins on Android and now there's there's kind of now now they have this whole campaign and you see the weird commercials all the time on you I'll be together not the same which I love that campaign to be honest but that's the thing like it's also going to cultivate this culture of we're not going to have any one device in Android that is the definitive device and that's I think what Apple knew coming into the ecosystem coming into the market was that they had to create the one thing the one platform and you know in that sense they've succeeded they haven't you know but it also makes them a very closed-off company it makes them booty key in that way you know it makes them the montblanc of pens you know like like in that sense it all so that's kind of so they can charge seventeen thousand dollars for watching exactly yeah look at the point though isn't it like that that's kind of their whole shtick is to be like you know we are Apple you know nothing outside of Apple is Apple you can only get Apple if you buy Apple example up Apple Apple Apple Apple Apple Apple Apple orange no get the hell out Apple our podcast so it turns into us i'll be coming begins at forty five is not all just chanting it Apple Wow seafight she's got to be careful I know he's been a little quiet you know he's got to be careful because he says too many negative Apple things his ipad is going to explode how do you like I turned that function off okay I say what do you talk about you can't disable features in iOS you can call ever they tell you so having I want to I want to come on here from Phi C then if do how do you feel about because because Andrew Joe and I we've all been speaking at length about the implications behind having a platform like this you know having used you know you're you're now in the tablet world with the iPads ipad air ipad mini whatnot um how how do you what do you fall in what we're talking about this this commerce idea that apple's created for its far as consumers you know i totally agree you know that they've kind of got that lockdown on their products and there's no question that there's kind of a cult following to the apple and you know the whole iOS system I do think that they overcharge sometimes in some cases i do believe they're ripping off the customers just because they can pay off for the most part don't get me wrong it's still early days that I've really never used ipads before i've only had these things for a short time but they are very solid devices and they are yeah i haven't pushed them hard but they're good units and i'm okay with them hmm not get on the watch again i haven't touched the haven't dug deep into apps yet i'm still so ingrained into android that I haven't thought about it I haven't really needed to you know I'm trying to do all of the things that what I assume a basic user would you know would want out of an ipad but and I haven't pushed it like every thursday i do my android customization post and i'm always you know digging deep using you know Tasker zooper widget to build my own home screen I haven't done any of that on there on iOS yet and and I have no idea how to do it now watch from a consumer level now Joe was talking about how is it you know Android wear isn't gone you know hasn't gone big very much and I think a lot of that has to do with no like he was saying just the availability in the marketing behind it where it's kind of us it nerds tech geeks and stuff that that know about the watches where's on the Apple side exactly what Joe was saying is it's going to be the average Joe if you will now finds out about this watch they're gonna walk into the apple store for you know support or whatnot you can still laughing at my joke joke the other day yep average average user average joe's gonna walk into the apple store but like hey they've got to watch and they're gonna buy one you know budget pending of course but one other aspect something that we've been really looking at in tabtimes anyways is the business side of it um now I don't know if you guys remember what it's like to go to it a day job I'm not going to say a real job but you know report to somebody at a specific time every day there's a lot of bring-your-own-device going on in the in the corporate world where you know people are getting to use their own android devices their own iPhones what have you and I think I'm taking a wild guess here but when watches make it into these corporate inventory I think it's going to be the Apple watch not an Android wear watch that's fair I think I think there's a little bit more room in the third party application space for an Apple watch to have especially when you consider all the different security applications or even certain certain apps that that people on the corporate work space would be able to use I kind of agree with that because Android wear for all intents and purposes now is a notification center it doesn't really give you too much else so um but yeah let's all agree with that all right we have been talking for Apple for quite a while at this point and quite honestly I've had a lot of fun going up and down that particular road because we we had we don't have some peaks and valleys with that topic but yeah a little bit but because think I've had a great foot not a foot not even knowing when it releases yeah so are we coming eventually yesterday 409 loosing I swear to god though I've seen that adds so many times that I thought had come out already but anyway um so we this is a device centric episode of the debate and we are revisiting particular topics which is why we're kind of loosey-goosey buy it right now so our our second half of the podcast is going to be devoted to what has been or will be very soon released around the time of this podcast release the samsung galaxy s6 s6 edge and of course the HTC One m9 now I of course have the s6 and the s6 edge Joe if I'm not mistaken you just got your m9 right damn Skippy you did mention it earlier and Joe was the one that said I don't care what anybody says I'm getting the m9 I think you were you were all in from the get-go right Joe dude I got that thing two days after the pre-orders opened it isn't only not supposed to be really released in stores for like another two days or something they just sent the pre-orders out early something like that yeah that they yeah they released the pre pre that release too pretty yeah so like I mean I had my before April even started yeah I said I was getting one and I got one like I woke up super early it was like sitting there's f5 f5 oh yeah there it is nice got it I did he reports that people on like if they pre ordered it some people got it that day cuz I think they were able to get it from particular carrier stores if i'm not mistaken because some like t-mobile or AT&T stores had them in stock so if you hadn't ordered it that day and called your local store and they happen to have it you could just drive right over and get it um so I heard that and a lot of people were happy about that so obviously I have me with the s6 lon with the s6 edge we've done extensive coverage on it already with even more to come I'm very interested to hear some sort of like mini review from Joe on the m9 like so what are your thoughts so far on your brand new purchase okay i'm getting ready to write up something on probably google+ sometime next few days about it um first first impressions are really really good um there are some applications that for some reason don't seem to like the HTC One I then like a swiftkey for instance likes to skip button presses like it doesn't happen on the HTC keyboard or any other keyboard I've tested just swiftkey were like it skips a button every now and again or Final Fantasy a record keeper feels unwise for some reason but like overall like you know using the interface using social media browsing all that stuff even blink feed blink I had the one m7 because I was really excited about that one too and I used bling feedback then and I was like man it needs more customization there's some sites that i really don't want to look at you know blah de blah de blah and like that they seemed to have fixed all the problems that i originally had with blinkfeed to the point where i actually uninstalled feedly and i don't use it anymore um i will admit yeah blinkfeed has really made some leaps forward and I I do enjoy reading it it's just I don't think that ok so do you actively go to blink feed on a regular basis to catch up on news oh yeah during pretty much all of the lacs not during all of the lacs parts of my day but during all the five to ten-minute lacks parts of my day ok cuz it strikes me as that thing you have when there's nothing else to do it's not necessarily like oh I need to figure out what's happening now I do you know um I think that's how I am with Google now with the the briefing on samsung phones like it's just there when there's literally nothing else to do I know exactly like it is it's the smoke break take a poo app you know yeah it's it's the best one for news to I I mean but uh they just say it's it's a good phone like it's one of these like I had this conversation with one of you guys I think it was when you guys were we were talking about how the HTC One didn't have anything that was really exceptional or was that Sony no we were saying that about Sony how there was really nothing truly exceptional about it and like the the one of nine is kind of the same way like there's nothing like except for the speakers obviously the boomsound speakers are still the best smartphone speakers hands down period ever but there's really nothing about the phone that makes it like oh my god it's like the s6 edge where it's super unique or you know it's something ridiculous it is just a really solid smartphone like the battery life isn't amazing but it's solid you know like that the performance is actually pretty amazing most of the time except for the apps that don't play nice with it yet but you know it's got a lollipop thing I bet though to be is between the lollipop thing in the octa core 64 bit processor you know is probably just like a mixture of those things it's like you know what my Rams not being used that much but it's just that the missing the taps on the swiftkey keyboard is the only thing that's driven me insane at this point oh that's something like I actually applaud you for a wine and put a different keyboard on no cuz I think that's one of the worst experiences I had on that phone I don't like the HTC keyboard it's so horrid and I that was a good written review but it wasn't the video but I yeah I don't know what I did it really is bad like i was i was typing okay and i typed it Oh Meg because I hit the M instead of the L and it like auto corrected it to like souffle I was like okay HTC we need to have a conversation one of the one of the most fundamental aspects of a keyboard then every keyboard needs to have is when you press space it should change the word that you misspell to the word that's correct and more often than not when I hit space the word that I had misspelled remained and I that's the part that I hate a lot it so it's only when you did like spelling issues in it because I like I use a that's a lie I never use punctuation when I actually type so like apostrophes or something that I make the keyboard add in when i type in a th 80s it'll put the apostrophe and for that but when i type in th BTS it won't auto correct anything yeah like not even add the alligator out of the apostrophe I get it would be funny but like tolerable amounts of funny but it doesn't correct anything so it's like but I totally get that and then the only other thing that I add that I've had a gripe with is the camera software yes not the camera itself because the sensor is actually I've I post some pictures on google+ and on twitter uh the sensor is actually really good like it especially a surprisingly good in low light like it's not again it's not amazing it's not phenomenal but it's really really solid way more solid than i thought it was going to be the post processing is garbage yep holy balls and up did you see that thread that i posted and slacked the other day Josh I did I did I did I did take a look at it and it feels nice to have my thoughts validated in that way because that's that's really where I think the whole has been for android is in how it processes the data that the sensors create because for the longest time we've been blaming the camera the camera this this this ambiguous entity called the camera when in reality all of these sensors whether or not they come from Sony or from any other sensor company you know the majority of them obviously being from Sony how what we're doing is when we're saying the cameras bad we're saying Sony effed up and Sony just doesn't do that with imaging they're one of the best imaging company out there the sensor is able to capture all the data it's just a matter of what the software does to that data in post-processing and people don't realize that the term noise reduction should actually be said a lot more often and camera reviews for smartphones because they were it's been used way too often and the m9 is very guilty of it yeah by a pro tip if you have an HTC One and under you're planning on getting one here's how to fix at least one of the problems are two of the problems one cap your ISO at 800 do not let it go higher than 800 for the love of God if you want to see black it all in your photo don't let it go higher than 800 and then the other thing is a go into the settings and turn up the sharpness to negative 2 which totally just at least from what i've read totally disables HTC's smoothening sharpening pros processing yeah and gets a writ gets rid of pretty much all of that like inky not solid line e thing that happens when you take photos and non perfect light and like just those two things alone have like elevated the camera to like at least twice as good as I thought it was going to be see that's the thing it perplexes me that this company that had they basically took their that the same exact settings that they used for the ultrapixel is now given that the ultrapixels were far less mega pixels per se than what they have now at 20 megapixels it seemed to me that they took the software and the settings from the ultrapixels and put it into this 20 points a 20 megapixel sensor one that we they really didn't have to do that they have started from scratch bad idea yeah oh can you can do you have to do noise reduction when a when a photo is kind of small and you're going to blow it up but now that the photo was blown up enough then they shouldn't need to use all the old software the other thing that i read that helps out is to set it from the the image quality set it from high to medium because it's it turns it down to I think 16 megapixels instead of 20 and then you get a little bit of additional detail yeah detail from the down sampling yeah and then the last thing that i read that helps out is to change the aspect ratio to 10 7 instead of 16 9 because that is the natural size of the sensor so HTC doesn't screw with the you know the image at all it's pretty much is the the camera sensor itself with the with the most minimal amount of HTC processing available without knowing to go to places like the internet for example to find out those little tips and I hope that I hope that we've helped some some m9 users I hope you're listening and you try those out let us know how the results go in the comments but yeah the average user is not going to know to be able to turn those things off and whenever I review a camera I i use it as an auto iteration i I do do some manual stuff and mess with the settings a little bit here and there but for the most part I'm looking at it from the eyes of a consumer that just wants to turn on the camera try to get a good shot and that's the reason why the s6 has been so good to me is because it's camera to be honest is probably the best Android camera that has come out in recent years and or recently I should say and that's why you know now that we've heard Joe's thoughts on it and obviously I have my review and lon has his review out now I want to pose the question to feisty and brush do you guys think you're going to go one way or the other in this in this little battle between HTC and Samsung or are you waiting for something better go ahead crush well um as far as am I going to actually buy one of their probably not but if I had to choose Samsung which is actually really shocking for me because I've been criticizing Samsung to everyone I know uh I've been pretty much a samsung hate her for a while I thought that I'm not gay crew later but I haven't been very impressed by the software I've been very impressed by the aesthetics i want to say the hardware cuz so Samsung has always had decent hardware it's just the way it looks you know yeah but I guess for me the galaxy s6 edge is I like the way it looks I know that's kind of a yes I know that the edge features are pretty much useless to be honest well this is the thing i will say about the edge features and i'm sure lon will will would would would support me on this particular claim the edge features you almost never even notice them because they even there whereas on the note edge when you would turn on the screen every now and that like like for example the thing I hated the most about the note edge I know you can turn this off okay but when the camera controls would move to the edge it was the worst idea ever and it just made that camera so hard to use and then every now and then you would have the edge pop up and show you like hey look a new story came on and Yahoo News who gives a crap and but on the s6 edge none of that absolutely none of that it's just a screen that happens to slope downward on both sides well yeah and it comes down to basically the only reason to really buy an edge is aesthetics you're not buying it for the special features i mean if you are you're doing it wrong you know it's there's not enough there you know but i actually have had the opportunity now to uh today to mess with all three of them um because i have a friend who runs a verizon store and so i got about an hour with all three of them and so obviously that's not anywhere near the time that you've got him with them but enough to least get an idea for how they feel in the hand and stuff you know and i really liked the amine yeah it wasn't a lot different but i was surprised i guess i thought it would be I thought the edge screen we get in the way of handling it really didn't know it almost helps honest yeah it helps well and you're touching yeah you're just touching the metal frame basically I mean you're not like yeah I yeah if they actually felt a little better than that in the standard galaxy s6 and it just looks cool and that's for me though the real reason I mean the real reasons why I'm not that impressed with the m9 though is I know that I know that there that the overheating has been exaggerated Joe but I do know it does get hot you know will ring ain't NCOs you get you warm okay yeah I guess hot probably the right way in all fairness read all of the HTC One series device it is true get warmer than most because of the metal frame you know a of the all aluminum design i guess would be better i think that's probably a thing to do it you know i got i had the my had the one m7 and I you know having it outside in a case on a summer day I could really get it like pretty warm like hot warm like hot or he goes he like you could be like that teenage girl that burned hold in her chest bye did you hear that what yeah her her iphone 6 was under a pillow and she was in her her her upper chest was lying like you know you could you hug a pillow ah you fall asleep in that particular the the phone was I think running some sort of task overnight and and it was plugged in so I it heated up so much and the the cotton of the of the pillow allotted to heat up so much that it actually like sort of burned that portion of the pillow which then burned like her chest yeah she she Tony Stark yourself that is hilarious and obviously you know on the local news everyone went nuts is like are these phones being young I'm gonna kill us all or something like that but yes that's the thing every phone is gonna kill us all apparently um maybe I have they done any been test yet I determined that the s6 or the s6 edge bend and bass in a bent at the same what's the term the resistance the same resistance that the iphone 6 did yeah but it was a different point they were bending it from so really behind 6 or 6 plus because the six didn't Bend that badly was the 6 plus that had the problem oh I don't remember which one of us I think the tested against okay I talk to Jace about this because he's doing a video about it right now and I I had to make sure to ask him about that too or well he asked me about it when I asked him but it's like the iphone 6 didn't bend it didn't have the bendy problem it was the 6 plus yeah and then like it was found out that like the note 3 could bend it like the same resistance so it's it's like the big super thin flat phones seemed to have the problem with the bending but I was just waiting for like someone to be like oh I drove my car over this thing and it bends and gate 2015 because that's the way the internet is now and it's extremely disappointing people don't even realize why we put gate at the end of certain things they just played sarcasm to make it it is sarcasm to mock people that's why we use the gate thing guys and gates is us going head with all these idiots complaining about bending and no offense you know it's an idiotic thing to do i'm sorry like she's like oh my god if you put enough pressure on something at bens huh it'll be is the laws of physics oh my god it's a freaking disaster oh yeah so the heat uh really isn't that big of a deal but I guess I do know that they've had that you know there's been benchmarks only proved so much but there's an benchmarks kind of showing that the new throttle the HTC 19 down a bit oh they do yeah and so I guess to me it just seems like X nose is the better option this time which once again is something I never thought I'd be saying I'm actually really impressed by Samsung you know cuz I've had a lot of criticisms about the ex knows processing packages over the years to you know I never thought they were that great and I've had a lot of criticism about Samsung's design and the only thing I really don't like about samsung now is I'm still not a fan of TouchWiz but I played around with a little bit I think I could live with it if I was actually too it's so much better now and I think I could live with it I still couldn't say I would love it but I I think there are some legitimate added features that TouchWiz has now that it doesn't have performances an issue well I think you know that i think i could find it worthwhile i do think that it will and we have to remind our listeners and viewers that obviously if I this is not something that's very easy to say in a review because obviously you want to you want to review a phone based on the marriage that it gives you the mayor said it's a given rather at the outset but it kind of remains that any one of these phones be given that the performance is at an all-time high now with all these phone you're not going to get like stutters or a lot of crashes all the time now if you don't like software that's on there be like lon and he said right after the review was done he put the Google now launcher on there and it was it was gangbusters he loved it so much and so that's you know there are options out there so oh yeah well and there's you can even go further than that you know you can get you know seijin mod you know there's things you can do sure well not yet not yet not only yeah yeah be I just think that will be if you're willing to wait until next year Oh Bart yeah here's the thing the community the the the actual maintainer is like Rama community is actually far more efficient and quick these things than the actual company yeah i agree i guarantee you there's gonna be there's going to be an alpha cyanogenmod 12 for the s6 and s6 edge n HTC One m9 before summer well before the end of summer I would I guarantee it and it's cyanogen themselves are still going to be working on whatever the hell they need to be working on right now but yeah I mean uh really though am I am like would I buy them I would almost by I actually almost considered buying the galaxy s6 probably not the edge just because I'm a cheapskate so I'd go with the cheaper options are basically the same thing I do like the edge better but once again I'm cheap um but I guess for me since I have kids i don't think i could buy the s6 even if i wanted because of the glass design you know because that's what happened to my nexus 4 was it went the way of yeah my kids destroyed well back then just one kid destroyed my and my nexus 4 so I don't think I want to go glass back again you know okay and uh that's why I kind of like you know but then metal is the same issue because metal you can get dent and I don't know I kind of like plastic for the fact when you have when you're a family man plastics kind of useful because you can drop that thing and have it be a naked cased phone and you're not going to have any issue yeah it used to be a feature when you drop the phone and the plastic back fluo I know yeah it was fun yes alright so feisty oh yeah let's uh let's hear your side of the story on s6 or edge or m9 when it comes to my wallet none of them to your own book over here nah so here's the the big thing for me and this is gonna boil down to some just little things and possibly stupid you might shake your head at me but we usually do yeah I'm used to it it's a good thing this is an audio call I can't see you I am not in love with HTC right now I've had some little things mostly just the screen sensitivity and screen alignment issues with a few devices at celeb yeah it's a little thing and it's other devices but I'm not in love with HTC right now just a rough patch feisty Oh it'll blow over yes no as we go back a long way trust me thanks about the nexus 9 and then you got like some budget HTC stuff right correct yes yeah but you know even going way way back back to windows mobile with the first full screen that the HTC touch it was like a four no sorry like a three point two or three point four inch full touchscreen device it was crazy you know before the even the iphone was out but yeah anyways we got two of them one was perfect the other one screen or the screen touch orientation was just it was toast it was garbage and yeah just the accumulation of little things up having a hard time trusting HTC right now that I need to put one of their devices in hand I need to touch the m9 and I guess that's the moral my story here is is you know the advice I give anybody is if you can do not purchase a phone before you can touch it before you can put it in your hand and push a few buttons see if you like it now I really like the look of the s6 edge I can't deny it it looks great but I also use phones a lot one-handed and the the base of my thumb touches the side of the screen a lot again I have to touch the edge but just looking at it I think it will not work for me which leaves the s6 and again another little thing I do not like hardware home buttons I'd I was against offer button in the beginning but you know sorry what was that Ozma say like someone told me recently that that's the reason why they never buy samsung phones and I kind of don't understand why what what is it about a tactile home button that is so bad I do not have a mount right behind my steering wheel in my car or maybe I do a cell phone mount right there with the phone in view while I'm driving it honest I don't have that the mount itself holds you know it holds a phone fairly gently if I have a software home button I can touch that without device falling out of the holder if you know all of the phones I've tried with a hardware button I've got a few LG devices I've tried when I have to push that home button the phone falls out of the hole dirt into my lap or down onto the floor underneath me and that's just not safe when you're driving never mind having a phone there that's that's perfectly fine so yeah it's situations like that or you know if you're just you know laying there for example and you're just using your index finger and you've got your phone resting say on your knee which is exactly what I'm doing right now I have to readjust the phone so that it's in a place that I can put enough pressure to push that hardware button instead of just the electrostatic you know touch of the the touchscreen home button it's a little thing but you know there's options up there and these three phones I'm afraid are not the right fit for me okay all right well I mean it looks like we have a lot of a lot of different opinions on different sides of the coin I mean obviously Joe is very happy with xem nine and then found ways of making the camera experience a little bit better one quick question Joe um you have the m7 and yet i'm thinking you may have had a little bit of time with the m8 maybe you didn't own it but you had the m8 for you you know what it's like to use the m8 nope oh no no I went from i went from the m7 to the note 3 and then I didn't upgrade it all in 2014 got it so you might be the case scenario that a lot of people were expecting with the m9 where if you had the m8 going to the m9 is not necessarily the best choice because the m9 has such a similar build and feel to the m8 but you might be the kind of person that we all as reviewers when we were all there at HTC frequencies we on we all thought you know if you have the m7 you haven't upgraded at all like this would be the next logical step so okay so if you if you never had the m8 then that's fine um does the m9 give enough of a different change for you coming from the m7 definitely oh definitely um it first of all I mean it's point 3 inches bigger and that's very noticeable especially when you're coming down from a five-point can I went from a 4.7 inch screen to what was the note 3 a 5.7 inch screen yep a bunch of them you know and then coming back down to five was a much it's it at that point 3 inches means more than you think it would you know just like an organ ah maclee um thing is it's really difficult to judge something based on it like from like a software's perspective yes there is a lot different than when I cuz i only made it to jelly bean I didn't get the anyway for the lollipop update on the one m7 because I don't have it anymore but um it's just you know the way I look at things like that is you know I have a laptop when I upgrade my laptop it's going to have a 15.6 inch screen it's going to have a keyboard and a back in the front and a battery and some ports on the sides of it all laptops are designed invariably the same way and like when I look at cell phones it's the same thing like I'm going from a glass metal plastic brick to another glass / metal / plastic brick and I think the idea that it's you know like that upgrades are worth it you know based on whether or not they're worth it i mean like i went from a 32-bit architecture to a 64-bit architecture i think that's going to play eventually you know that's gonna matter eventually um you know i went from having to root my device to get lollipop to just having lollipop which has been a different experience believe it or not like having a root enabled you know having like a rom because i had i had to run a note for port to get lollipop on my note 3 and that thing ran like garbage terrible rom if you have an 03 don't flash a note for port they're terrible we like having it like you know without having to root it and having it is nice um like it I can't I never tell people to buy phones like that is just a policy of mine need don't ever listen to me if you're going to buy a phone I'm the person listen to what you've decided on whether or not you're going to buy phone um but you know the way I look at it is you know the camera is better you know you're going from four cores to eight cores 32-bit to 64-bit same ram probably close enough to the same OS close enough to the same speakers you know I would people know what they really want in an upgrade whether I want something ridiculously different or something that's pretty much the same but works a little bit better but in my mind's eye it's worth the upgrade from the m7 and the m8 uh strictly for the updated specs in mime in my opinion that is my opinion ok I will pretty much I think people were are it's pretty obvious where I stand on this particular side I am a big s6 fan and I have warmed up to the edge after not really knowing it knowing what it was it didn't really make sense to me at mwc but after using it for a week now about two weeks I do really enjoy it it's really the camera that gets me though like having to fiddle through so many options just to get a decent shot of the m9 whereas on the s6 I can I can be pretty sure that I'm getting a good looking photo every time not every time but most times that kind of does it for me I'm obviously I'm coming from the video / photo creative side so if it's a good camera that's gonna be the first thing that I flocked to but these are not the only phones that were going to have this year obviously it is only now April and LG g4 exactly the g-force coming out I wait endure I'd love this one upmanship than LG is doing with their phone it's like oh you're back as a glass horse is gonna be littered oh 1.9 f 1.9 aperture 1.8 like well i would have been that i would have been a G flex 2 owner i will tell you that much if it would have been as good as it looked at sea yes it's gotta beat you and it wasn't honest it wasn't yeah exactly but I was really hyped I was willing to buy it but then you know the reviews came you know you're doing everything that again I guess they have to do that's that's LG's thing they have to do something great with the software or else I'm still not going to buy in you know the tattoo was great the g3 was pretty great it wasn't it wasn't so revolutionary that I would have bought it in a heartbeat the way that I kind of feel the s6 in the edge are but really it's it's all about that software if there if there are cameras gonna be that good and have laser-guided out of focus I do like that idea but if the software is as clunky as it was in the G flex 2 i'm not gonna be very happy with it i really do think that then of course we have sony a couple other manufacturers who knows what the chinese manufacturers are gonna come out with this year they are gonna be some great stuff so obviously this is not the only debate we're going to have this is just focusing on this particular dichotomy between HTC and samsung so it's nice to get 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