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hello everybody and welcome to the android authority podcast discussing topics in android every single week I'm in-house Joshua Vergara and you have been hopefully enjoying the CES episodes that we've been doing of the podcast here two of them of which have already been released but this third one is actually really special in your dear to my heart I get to interview in this podcast Patrick Norton one of the original more OG pioneers of the tech world being on a network called tech TV on the show called the screen savers is probably where you remember him from back in the day and nowadays he's on tech thing calm with Shannon Morse so it was really an honor for me to be able to interview him for this podcast but unfortunately the camera cut out in just a few minutes after we started the podcast so you're going to see the android authority podcast logo when that happens and then you can just listen to the rest of our wonderful conversation that centers around audio for a good portion of it and also dives into android for a little bit as he had quite a few questions attack to ask me so keep it tuned to the android 30 podcast for you more and we have one or two more podcasts here at CES that we're going to bring you before it's all over here at the Consumer Electronics Show of 27 this is just about the coolest thing that I think I've ever done at CES cuz you and I met like two years ago no no you we met my foot oh that's the story I gave you last night we were eating tacos where I came up to you and Veronica Belmont and I'm so close to my god forgot veronica belmont that's awesome and I said hi to her and then she was like have you seen Patrick and now and then for some reason it didn't register my head that she said Patrick because I still came up to and said oh my god Edward Norton oh it's so great to meet you I've been called much worse and in traffic I've been called things that would make you know most people either blush or pass out unconscious with fears so Edward Norton's kind of a compliment man can act well a 25th hour great film sorry well you know what Edward doesn't have the like you almost like a legend to me is the thing because like the tech did not become a thing in my life until we finally got what was it at the time directv and we found this cute channel called tech TV and it was just about the coolest thing that I had ever watched because I was slowly getting into tech at the time and you were like a pioneer I always I feel like one of those punk rock bands at to word for years and years like they used to say about the velvet underground like velvet underground sold a thousand albums but those thousand albums like the thousand people that bought them each started a band and they were all amazing and it was like I'm always I'm actually I mean I'm blown away because I run into people all the time and I mean one of those powerful things that leave and I ever ran into is somebody came up to his like you know I was a I was a conductor you know on Jersey Transit I hated my job you know I would come home your show is on nothing else is on at that time of day and I started really like getting into the idea and you guys weren't talking down to me and yeah and the dude you know God certifications got a job moved in the IT and was incredibly happy and party I was like oh man I hope he wasn't you know replaced by a you know Indian import you know hp1 vit worker because that's really popular these days but it was also it was kind of like oh my god there really is somebody at the other the camera and I actually care yeah it was mind-blowing is there wasn't you know the the the web was still relatively new nobody was doing video on the web there was no YouTube people were barely offering you know like 'ok yusuf stream of somebody like jumping a rock was like really amazing video back then yeah definitely it was it was you know it was this center for enthusiasm and we also we weren't talking we know we didn't talk crap about geeks we were celebrating the culturally that was part about it it was mind-blowing you realize how much impact that had for a lot of people well you know it's uh and you know maybe we can start off our discussion here with this this notion that I kind of came up with the day or two ago that one of the biggest problems with the tech world right now is that we only use the mediums that we use right to educate the masses that's the reason why something like tech TV or afterwards became g4 or anything like that was so important because it actually reached people who wouldn't normally be on an iPad or on a phone you know because television as we learned we're not getting political I'm just using this I'm just using this detail one thing we learned in this last election is that the majority of people in America still get their news literally from television but a lot of people in America are profoundly influenced by Facebook back to ya I got a buddy who who runs a very very very very very very very very large tech website and ed you know they make money death they make bank and you know talking to him he was basically like yeah websites are dead it's Facebook because Facebook is 1.8 billion people it's this huge attractor they're kind of taking it's kind of amazing these watches media vols right because you've got YouTube you got facebook you know I love Twitter but Twitter's not you know really good way to communicate you can kind of you know is very limited yeah i mean is 140 characters is very intentionally limited and and that's a you know when you're getting your little haiku on they can be you know they're obviously you know again referring the election like tweets apparently are much more powerful than we thought yeah from you know in the hole I did how people communicate where the information and what information they trust I mean part of its like okay I'm 3,000 years old I started working in magazines right i did my you know i was sitting with you know briefing with AMD this morning i'm really excited about rising because competition for intel and they're really about desktop enthusiasts and serious gaming performance for sure they've made a bunch of decisions that are around that in a way that that Intel just isn't doing any more or at least not this year and I was sitting there as like oh man or delete exploit I don't know if you curse on this podcast so I'll stay clean we do just not too much to access exactly the the you know but like I reviewed my first desktop processor in nineteen like my first amv desktop processor in like nineteen ninety-five you know so I've been watching this for so long and it's always been there's always been so many things like oh it's going to replace it's going to replace brick and mortar is dead well obviously brick and mortar isn't dead right everybody's still shopping okay amazon may have finally killed brick and mortar but they did it by delivering a better product I I guess I'm taking a thousand words too many to say it's always evolving there's always people to hold on to the old ways and it always gets really really confusing until everybody just kind of settles around it which is true but I feel like we've lost that in a way especially in terms of the colon call older media obviously newspapers and magazines are kind of their their waning for sure absolutely television is still so powerful and I think I think that we we don't have any tech on television broadcast or cable well they don't want a cable you know cable especially to a lesser degree broadcast like the reason so much reality TV became such a huge part of cable television is because it's cheap true it is you know unbelievably cheap you know if you know the the reason like so many great things come up like you know Brody's really like that show on Showtime that the television series on showtime yeah you know that cost a lot of money to make and so they have to have they have to make a lot of eyeballs off of that for them to justify that expenditure and it's even worse in like you know if you're you know ABC CBS NBC still have a huge amount of revenue and a huge audience but if you're like in the if you're a cable channel in the digital tears man you're running infomercials at 1am registry with advertising you're figuring out what the cheapest content you can put up there and that was already starting when we were at at tech TV and this is like you know 16 17 years ago we're looking around it's like okay the arts and entertainment channel a sophisticated venue for advancing the culture of whatever you know even nose in the air kind of you know thing they were trying to at you it was like them or one of the other like you know we're a cultural channel for sophisticated people and like I looked around one day and I'm like wait a minute you got a show about I do twenty somethings that are running tuners on import cars and it's like their lifestyle and great entertainment but I didn't really understand how it fit into the brand's yeah exactly channel and the this is you know that's been going on it's like at one point it went from like you know we're a cable channel that does this to we're a cable channel that does whatever the delete expletive makes money and we're cable channel it's going to do the cheapest way to make money you know there's still a tremendous amount of advertising revenue in cable and broadcast television card to online and it's also in some way still easier to find but like even to you know be most people like they may skim 20 channels but almost the vast majority of cable users they have like five channels yeah yeah they go to those four or five channels maybe they skim 20 on an irregular basis but like if you have 470 channels man you spend effectively no time on 460 of them that's one of the problems is we get more options right because cable is now competing not only with you know consoles and the internet and video games and oh yeah going out getting drunk and dancing and chasing bands or whatever else out there right but it's also got a deal with the internet and the Internet has such a low barrier for entry for people to create websites or video exactly how you have you know i mean there's a giant audience on YouTube there's a you know third of the closing it on a quarter or a third of the planet has access to facebook i mean now definitely mind-boggling yeah so of course we have to go where we have to go where the is and what the eyeballs are basically yeah but do you think that your coverage and we'll get to our coverage of CES in a second but do you think that your coverage will be vastly different if you're medium was still what you had before um if we were like you know if we're going back to like doing cable television yeah like it would have to be vastly different because there's not enough there wasn't enough money in the advertising like there isn't enough money in the advertising today like you know it's a real what if game okay because you know that that show started in 98 so it would be like 19 years old that guy right so that would be a pretty mature show probably the pretty big audience um you know the when you look around what's going on like youtubers don't make any money for the most part you know websites with banner ads are struggling to find revenue and so much about CES is covered is completely defined by what the you know what the you know the website or the video show or the television program enemy like you know WXYZ from Paducah Wyoming bombs in here and you know the tech reporter for you know he goes and he gets the b-roll the shiny television the b-roll of the cars and he does like a 90 second package and maybe he meets a couple things and get some headphones from somebody any ties back you know somebody who's you know i'm from android authority i cover this beat i'm looking for these things exactly uh you know my buddy robert comes in here he avoids the press days and then he he comes in here for uh you know some meetings with samsung and LG get photos of the television to write up for his website and you know he may or may not be getting some backroom briefings on what's going on or more information on release dates and stuff right but that's all he does is like home theater and he is one of the best they always have a focus on the new media because yeah you can just be a jack of all trades yeah well I'm a jack of all trades but I'm stupid that way we have so much do you have decades of experience basically and also for us I mean for our audience like look I'm never going to be better android than you are I'm they were going to be better at processors than Ryan shroud is I'm never going to be better at HD TVs then the you know Robert Herron is by the way a V Excel awesome podcast you know I mean I'm never going to be better at me like I know that but I can also come in here and think like okay my audience they give me 30-40 minutes a week to show them a whole bunch of useful stuff yeah and what do they care about it CES you know okay cars are going to be unhinged in two to five years you know if you're a millennial you're being targeted by everything yeah 4k monitors are doing us with phones did which is getting too thin which is you know a weird mixture of like that looks amazing and holy crap it falls apart or oh wait let's look at the LG wallpaper TV which looks magnificent at 2.3 millimeters thin yeah they're talking about how like you know for Total Immersion that it had to be less than four millimeters to make it a window like experience into the soul it's amazing it's awesome and look at how incredible this is and you know it so LED and and we got the guy that did kylo Ren's helmet to design the sound bar which is real big and sticks way out and there's a ribbon cable and we spent a whole bunch of money on creating gradients on every piece of glass I mean I'm just like really you couldn't just on a small break out Bob does it does it require all of that the whole delete expletive sound bar has there in order for you to get hdmi and picture to the hdmi and power to the screen so there's that big thing pop-ups for the dolby atmos yeah and then when you look at all the pictures of right there's this big huge beautiful flat panel this 2.3 millimeter stayed magnetically mounted to your wall it's badass and and then there's just like gradient of like a stripe and then thinner thinner hitter stripes behind that is the ribbon cable that goes from the monitor down to the bars and the same thing with the Q LEDs the big beautiful q LEDs from Samsung we just say that a little fiber optic you know cable or a little power cable that runs down to the breakout box for that Sony would a different path they put all of it if they basically created a stand and I find it fascinating because of one hand like the the i'm not sure i want you know a you know double digit 0 LED television that seven th is big on the floor of my house because you know I have a small child of a four-year-old nine-year-old they 10 over just like that I feel like it's so fragile like it you almost to put it behind glass yeah I am and that's why I mean I remember thinking like man I live in an old house and the walls are kind of wavy what's going to happen when that LG tries to clamp itself down to the plaster and lath crack who turns out there's some flexibility in it but when we're in California so even a small earthquake could probably do something terrible to those super thin TVs yeah I mean you know but it's so odd to watch some of this right cuz you know they they're like you know they were spending all this money all this engineering effort to make these incredibly thin flat panels and then they do really stupid stuff like make you put a giant ribbon care ribbon cable like oh I feel like a cable really I really do feel like we we try to move way too fast sometimes when it comes to tech that the actual physical tech that we have I mean just think about I mean I have to mention it but just think about everything that they were trying to do in the galaxy note 7 right that was such a thin beautifully designed phone but we realized that the problem in that phone was out there was no room for the battery to actually do what it had to do which was expanding the track and not even me I should be a smart ass white but you know the irony of Samsung's had one of its best financial years ever because memory sales are off hook exactly what I mean what they take a four billion dollar hit on that they didn't know you know I mean it's like you know that was just projected it could be way more than that you know I mean I was talking about the you know the iphone 6 I bought you know I bent that I bet the iphone 6 in the first six days I had it my in my hands or my pocket in this case and I'm just like I am I am profoundly over everything being thinner yeah because you know more often than not they you know I want things that aren't gonna fall apart but on the flip side like I look around at CEA and I Ciara CES and I see so many products that are you know they're transitional they're leading edge the early adopter there you know future land fill material in a lot of cases and it gets kind of depressing when you're like wow I bet all of that I but none of that still ain't nobody nobody's using this in like two years it's a gondola likes X yeah he's great now there's not even anybody has gone to light he's doing a great job he's advertising yeah yeah definitely he's working the available medium to maximize revenue and keep himself in a job is just like he's on the web except he's on a water a water web yes liquid network as it were a liquid network i love that this is just like the coolest thing ever but the okay so so you obviously deal with a lot of different I've detecting and all that you deal with a lot of forms of tech so how much of Android like to kind of bring it back to our podcast like how much of Android are you really familiar with I mean being an iphone user and you know oh by the way we don't pariah iphone users I 30 minutes and I know really well people think that just because I'm the head of production at android authority that I ate iphones no that's so not the case like I love all tech all the phones yeah I'm equal opportunity tech know I know that feeling the I mean we're talked about the other day you know if the camera was better on the the moto g 4g yeah I'd still be running it ok but the camera on that was atrocious and I'm you know and I decided that so really what we would call the mid-tier like yes really what it is because an iphone land it's all the same thing yeah pretty much and it's it's you know I've this this one wasn't exactly a treat but I was in the situation where i was using it constantly so i got 128 gigabyte phone hmm and because i've been used in iOS since version 1 and i bought some really weird mapping apps and stuff I got a few hundred dollars in software tied up in the phone um you know but there was i three issues with Android one is is is you know feel free to be irritated with me at patrick norton calm you know at patrick norton the calm doesn't belong there be yeah you know the update situation especially because i work really closely with the crew from hak5 and a lot of people who do security the update situation in android really freaks me out yeah and also you know I remember like I had the the one thing that drove me nuts about the moto g 4g is like yeah you can use you know class 1030 do gigabyte SD cards with our micro SD cards with it but there's a glitch so it's gonna you know me and and the software had been repaired but i couldn't download it hideaway for eighteen t to download it exactly i was about it the next week i figured out it couldn't run microsd cards on it at least under the micro SD cards that i already own and i was going to buy a slower micro SD card so i could run it in my what the hell yeah you know and then it was like 10 or 15 weeks before the update was finally available yeah you know I mean it that's a big big issue yeah it's a big issue fragmentation is a big big issue for developers what's funny we mentioned this on I did a I did a live Q&A using Instagram live on a podcast right before the end of the year right and someone said like how do you feel about fragmentation and I realized it's what Google wanted and then realize they did in because they created an open-source platform that all these OEMs were able to sort of take and create and Google was always going to get a cut of that but then they realize we can do it just as well as they can and we want to write so now they're feeding into the same system that they kind of wanted in the first place so I don't know it's a weird catch-22 when it comes to the way Google did things I mean it's it's it's frustrating because there's there's not and it's the same problem with routers right you know I sold you a router I get an update so now it turns on thanks for the money you should buy oh there's a security problem with that you should buy a new router oh there's a video games are having a bit of the problem too because you get a day one edition of the game and then there's already a bunch of updates they have to wait five hours for so you when you buy the game you expect to be able to go with it what are the funniest series of text messages have ever gotten my life was a really close friend of mine he would i cant rember what game he was waiting for you know but he was like you know he loaded up the game he's excited he's guys you know you got a six-pack of beer and he's giving head on and he's like and like I got this series of text messages over six hours while the game like you know took these horrible downloads and restarts and downloads and restarts and and like I mean that's like the gaming industry at this point and we'll fix it after put it in the box will fix it after a chips bleeding edge is is one hundred percent the reason why I say we're moving way too fast in tech yeah cuz even just today I'm not gonna I'm not going to talk about the product because i'm under NDA but i will say that there are certain things I couldn't do right in order to capture the device because the software wasn't ready and I'm like well how do you expect us to as reporters right how do you expect us to properly give a good look at this phone when you haven't even finished yet yeah you know so it's worse when they ship it to you and they're like oh yeah we know this is the problem this is a problem this is a problem but will be fixing that before it launches exactly it's like but the India is up tomorrow when we prefer if you didn't mention that yeah the the software update is to technology what the training exercise is to the military if something bad happens like oh you have been doing a training exercises I yeah I mean it's I mean it's interesting right because there's a you know long-term supports in endemic issue with so many products i mean like soon ologies interesting company they make nasty ox's they started doing routers and their routers are typically getting security updates every six weeks yeah and there's there's one way like the Apple version of that is like you don't need software updates because you're on OS 10 you're not going to get hacked you know and the the flip side of that is like you know I'm not even gonna mention Adobe but Microsoft you know neither we closed 18 critical vulnerabilities in this patch tuesday and you know it's just did you get caught by that Windows 10 update that like all sony turned it on it as almost as if you just bought the ad the laptop though definitely freaked me the hell out yeah cuz a-you I blend up my computer and it said hello and I'm like what happened on my data no it was just updated thank God one of the worst windows in updates i had was you know we're supposed to be in studio and i had left and come back and it had restarted and applied the updates and it was 22 minutes before it finished doing this crazy series of modifications to the night no and I'm sitting there and Shannon's like are you done yet oh are you kidding me no um you know so maybe I should turn off the automatic updates but then i will get the automatic updates and i got to remember to go on patch tuesday get all those i don't mean i don't know i mean is it frustrating i mean when you look at it it's like how many phones have nougat how many phones have marshmallow county phones have it's frustrating because I want to be able to get the latest operating system with the coolest stuff but I also feel like so many of the Android vendors are dragging their feet well I don't know it's hard to tell i mean maybe that's one of the things it's it maybe i'll ask you is that a criteria when you're recommending a phone you know does this vendor have a track record for maintaining update one hundred percent it's not something that i mentioned all the time because i've been told this before i'm not them okay i'm gonna i'm gonna self deprecating reviewer okay my what i want to do is present a phone the real user experience of a phone based upon what is in it and 2 i'm a content creator like we were just about to get into this conversation earlier that i'm less about the products and just the sheer amount of technology that's out there i'm more about showing it in a fun way more about content creating I'm a youtuber before I'm a journalist that's why I tell people so my case even though it is a factor like whether or not if if something's on Android 5 yes I'm gonna say this sucks but because we're on seven now right but at the same time if it still provides you the experience that you would need on the daily right there's no reason to detriment it for that my boy still routinely use an iPad 1 and eventually Netflix will break compatibility with the iPad had some of their favorite games the locomotive games will start working but until then damn thing works yeah I will save it to our tour point earlier Google adding to the fragmentation that they sort of wanted in the first place yeah yeah if you want the best software you would be going for a Google pixel right cuz it comes straight from google so i don't know that could be your way out right i'll use the work term way out from the update hell that is out there because google will send an OTA via the Wi-Fi one it won't have to go through verizon unless it's a verizon activated phone right um but yeah I mean that would be probably the main way to do it so Oh David is actually asking if we have a time in place for the podcast tonight yes please oh yeah go for it yeah thanks man David's checking on the podcast for tonight I'm like I gotta I'm doing it right now I'll tell him after we're done um well yeah I think that I don't know it's a it's a it's a double-edged sword for me that I love what Samsung does with Android i love what LG does with android i love what a lot of chinese companies do with android but if I really want to just have a good experience every day that's reliable I have to go straight to google and that destroys what the original purpose of Android walk right well I mean was it was that the original purpose or they trying to be it seems like what really attractive USP that is yeah I mean they were there trying to be incredibly attracted to hardware manufacturers that we pick it up yeah it's free do whatever you want to it it's open source yeah you know and you know they are they needed to get in on the cash I feel like the whole update thing through the carriers with something the carrier's extracted it's just you know for allowing Android to work with the carrier's more than likely for sure which is frustrating because it just takes so long for the carrier's to get through what's up I mean from a you know self-deprecating content creator / you know technical resource arree I mean what's the thing it's got you most excited about android right now right now Google assistant yeah one hundred percent everyone's going AI and I'm not gonna say that I like AI per se um but I like this idea doing it Skynet yes kinda basically I do like this idea though that the way to get things done on a device it's sort of shifting so i could say i don't have it on right now but I could be like ok Google and something will happen on the phone and I just ask it something it's just this voice command type of navigation and communication with the device and I i use google assistant way more than i thought i would really way more i was making a coconut low carb oh he's gotta be going I was using I was trying to make for Christmas right coconut low-carb eggnog and I didn't know how to convert tablespoons two ounces or something like that I know the feelings I was early layer like mixing it up in the pot and then I'm like okay Google how many ounces is in five tablespoons or something like that and it just gave it to me right away I like the assistant part of a guy I don't really like the intelligent part of a I because of its learning things about me that's a little bit scary it's gonna Wednesday and you're usually near mcdonalds at this time not a mcdonalds now have you considered trying a whopper from Burger King and tasty alternative it'll look alert my closest friends and family that I'm somewhere at 2am when really I'm actually out on a date or something I don't want anybody to know that like that's where this the fears can come in but the assistant part of Google a sister i think is it's it's amazing to me it's been fascinating to watch my my co-host on tech thing Shannon bought in Amazon Alexa media leak she wanted to review it and it just it's become this staple in her house and it's really funny to me in part because she comes out of hacker culture first and she's extremely aware of information privacy and security and to have her like this have this always on thing that records snippets of conversation and sends them up to amazon's cloud or you know i mean it's like it's always so funny to me obliged you got a microphone in your house that the NSA can decide to make amazon give them available to the recordings on and give them a gag order she's like that's a little tin foil hat I'm like oh I'm the one with the tin foil hat today but yeah right it's like a game we play back and forth because we know so many people in security and then you hear something and you're like wow just when i thought my tin foil hat wasn't thick enough it turns out there's even more horrible stuff going on you know online somewhere in the world but the it's been amazing to watch how Amazon thank you you know how Amazon Aleksei like Amazon Alexa was everywhere here and one things like oh Amazon's winning and Google home is lost my google home started three months ago twenty bucks says Google homes going to be here with a vengeance it's es 2018 well they kind of shot themselves in the foot because to make a amazon app to make an Amazon Alexa uh that's a competitor right they didn't make it do all the same things as Amazon Alexa you know then what's the running joke we always have about Google is that all of its users are beta testers so we were were the ones that are testing out the new features as they come along we never get a fully finished product when I comes or Microsoft got that for Windows 10 exactly um well yeah how do you feel about that God you feel about this whole AI movement because you're right Alexa is starting to be put into things I mean on one hand and Google system but I was reading entirely too much science fiction is a very small child or a young man or still today so there's some part of me that it it I you know I think it's going to be a tool for good or a tool for you know my personal nightmare is the scene in Minority Report we're like Tom Cruise is chuck it down this hallway and all of these you know advertisements are scanning his iris all I don't know you know you'd look great in a pair of jeans the gap is around the community like he's trying to like evade a murder charge and even without black mirrors your biggest fear is oh yeah pretty much yeah you know someday I'll finish getting through episode 1 of that show it's tough it's tough right but it's like you know you you look at the you know on one hand I you know use theirs you know just the the revelations from the Snowden report the the giant data warehouses in Utah and all this crazy stuff you're like wow man the Soviets would love this back in the sixties and seventies and eighties right you know it's funny this is a very different conversation than when we had when I first met you because I remember we went to a we're at a Philip DeFranco meet up and I was talking to you there because I didn't owe anybody else right um and you were telling me about how there's so much technology out there that's going to make the lives of like your kids better all this stuff and that's what gets you jazz you must not be one of the hopeful days I mean exactly it also it swings back and forth reassure the pendulum for sure I mean it is like you know this thing that fate this is mind-blowing I said there's a few years ago when somebody's you know to me it's like you know what what are your predictions one of the future your years and I'm just like you know is just like screw jetpacks you know I was I was dry it you know I was using my you know eight ounce you know screen with a crumb it was just like I was I was I was bombed the Sacramento's I had to pick up like a truck part or something and I heard that you know this this the the singer this punk rock band had passed you know and like I hit two buttons i was downloading my favorite song from the band and I'm singing it along while I'm being guided to my destination by a global you know a global satellite positioning system yeah you know while receiving you know messages from my friends and have the ability to search what basically amounts to most of the world's total some knowledge of information and a lot of really cranky YouTube comments to be like these things are amazing they are you know but I also got to teach my kids that you know you get you actually do have to learn how to make your bed you can't just wake up and grab the iPad and spend three hours watching video you have to do your homework exactly you know maybe part of it also is like watching you know the four-year-old and the 9 year olds relationship to the to the two tablets especially is a little trippy to watch because like you know they get down there those games and they want to stay there for six or twelve hours have to explain to my wife like no no many of our closest friends of this family grew up playing video games for hours and you like them and they're perfectly well-adjusted adults but she also came out of a family with no video games and had like the ex-boyfriend who you know would it had a tight relationship to bonds and first-person shooters and just wasted a lot of time so yeah I was the final fantasy kid I just played final fantasy all the time that took up all my time but you know it would hope at least that growing up makes you a more well-rounded person because you learn more things and one of the things that helps you experience and want to try new things is the Internet yeah you know you're saying like you know good Google how many ounces are in a cop yeah like my son's like he wants to make a bow because he he's been going to this like camp and one of the things they do is they do archery and you know he wanted to make a bow and we got a boat kid and it's amazing kid but he's not ready to take like a 72-inch hickory stave and use a spokeshave to bring it down to the right size and volume ii like Willy get to that point absolutely might you know we can do we get to PVC from home depot and paracord or I got some like you know 300-pound string and we can make you a bow yeah out of stuff we can buy a home depot in like 25 minutes and they're actually really effective most of course was like nine YouTube videos 30 websites like so I'm I'm blown away like I learned how to iron a shirt on YouTube you know are you wondering what temperature your meat should be at exactly i mean like all it's it's I mean I'm still yeah I'm still blow the Gutenberg Project hot tip Australian copyright laws like in the United States basically Disney decided they had to protect the mouse at all costs so they basically screwed up public domain for everybody for approximately forever and then some anyway you know you could have just trademarked the mouse and then nobody could use it you wouldn't have had to a screw-up copyright they went oh okay well comrades already screwed up so we'll take the trademark and but copyright law is different basically like no book after eight 1987 fundamentally is going to enter public domain in any reasonable amount of time but it turns out project gutenberg which the online depository of books mm-hmm I like in Australia if go to like Project Gutenberg in Australia it has all the books because they're copyright laws are completely different Wow and it's you know not like BitTorrent Cody in that case so what was the sort of shifting back to CES I got what was the but what was what did get you jazz here i'm using a phrase a lot actually what was your favorite thing that you saw so far um we're not even done yet yeah I mean I've I man um Sony's o le T bravia LED TVs oh sure all right and and then frustrates so weird on those well you know it's always I know if the refresh rate is so weird or what we do with the extreme HD are processing but what kind of blew my mind about that is there they've engineered the speaker so that the panel is essentially radiating the sound oh wow yeah and I mean I still want like 5.1 surround sound cuz of an audio geek but it was really effective and really cool you know as dumb as I think the sound bar is that the the LG the LG super you HD televisions that wallpaper TV is kind of trippy to look at so I mean you know I do a podcast about home theater with Robert Herron like maybe excel so obviously I'm come on look at the shiny screens they're so pretty you know there's still no affordable 4k projectors you know the the the new two terabyte kingston USB Drive I'm really down I'm sure like i have two hard drives in my bag so the idea of having like a two terabyte drive that's my third of the size of one of those and it looks like it came out of hand solos toolbox of the Millennium Falcon it's not the most elegant design um you know looking all the Alexa stuff and being like curry like Shannon was all over the curry robot which is essentially Alexa built into a robot that can run around your house and has a face to react to what you're saying oh yeah sorry clip on that yeah you know I don't get excited about autonomous lawnmowers you know like you know there's like six command there's six Alexa commands you can use with LG's new refrigerator with a 29 inch tablet in the front which I'm just like no you know buy an android tablet glue it to the front by by a you know buy an ipad and glue it to you know get a magnetic mount for the front of your fridge think of the cameras on the inside that show you what you have or don't have I know I keep like I got two kids that are eating me out of house and home and their combined weight is still under 150 pounds and I still don't particularly need the ability to access the interior contents of my refrigerator at all times 24 hours a day like don't get me wrong i'm sure it's wonderful to have your refrigerator take a snapshot of the interior so you know the contents at all times or like you know you if you touch the flat panel on the right way on the LG it basically goes transparent so you can see the stuff behind it which is so you know hiding amplifiers and my friends BMW in 1989 but i just like some of this stuff i giggle a lot about I mean the speakers get me really excited oh sure there's more amazing headphones right now you know it's an interesting that you bring that up I gotta ask this and this probably be one of the last things we'll talk about as an audio geek as you said your words how do you feel about the trend of losing headphone jacks on phones this is this phrase a friend of mine who grew up in Boston uses that i will not do because it's profoundly offensive and he doesn't miss out the accent so it's particularly amusing about my defensive i hate it i mean on one hand i'll be honest with you like Bluetooth Bluetooth was atrocious Bluetooth is fantastic for the vast majority of people that are listening to audio including myself there's a bunch of stuff I do over Bluetooth and I don't think I could a be tell the difference between like the Bluetooth song or the song hardwired my issue with bluetooth is is is I get really frustrated by having to have batteries or to recharge my headphones true right I get frustrated by not being able to plug anything I want to in to the phone I also own like nine pair of headphones because I'm a freak so obviously I'm sort of at the far end of the spectrum on that what's your top headphone what's your favorite one I'm really really in love with audioquest Nighthawks Wow okay they started the carbon Nighthawk it's it's not the tuning on it will not appeal to all people okay but it is profoundly natural sounding it is the most comfortable headphone of war okay the the original Nighthawks they're closing us out for 350 and they've got a new one that came out it's like seven hundred dollars expensive headphone see right now Adam oh you know who's our sound guy is person species listen to this as heads exploding oh my god is the coolest thing I've ever heard oh man I was like it's amazing to hear because there's been this battle between what you call dynamic headphones like speakers next year and played our magnetic switch you take this incredibly thin piece of plastic you put you know electro like traces on it you run you put a magnet a big powerful neodymium magnet on other side of it you run the audio signal through the traces on the surface of the plastic and allow big giant piece of plastic was a great giant amount of air you know and I heard I had this this company called JDS labs I was testing the element and it's a it's a DAC and a power amp for headphones and it's gorgeous it's a big giant knob floats there above the the base unit and it it goes like 1 watt of power which is like eight times more power than you need for the vast majority of headphones on the planet so I was like oh wow I want to really test the seine and drive it and i picked up a set of planar magnetic fostex japanese company been around forever because people like monoprice is a pair of you know hundred on you dollar played our magnetics like go by the Foss texts like the fostex trt 50 RP mark three yeah and they're really really in headphone community like people of the bottom they've been playing around them for a while but you know you listen to it and you're like this is what a cymbal sounds like this is what you know it doesn't go down like a lot of played on magnetics they go down to like 20 or 10 hertz which is an unbelievable experience if you have had you know not just EDM but classical music or like I was in the like Preservation Hall Jazz Band where they have a couple tubas tubas go down like 31 hurts man Wow and these the really good headphones you feel it it's not like feeling it in your chest because you're inside the club but it's a pretty good approximation but like these Foss texts and I'm like ok these fostex is these trp trp 5050 RPS he's down amazing and they're like 140 bucks like and then I like found I went on ebay and I found the poor like used on amazon from audio authority or somebody i found a pair of what was then like the next big step up and a high five man 'he 480 400s which two different models like the wire cutters pick for the best over your headphone and emotional those sell for like I think they sell for three hundred dollars that's a price point that just can't really fathom babe I get it I totally get it like dude like sony MDR 7506 ssl for 75 bucks you probably can't find anything better for less than 150 bucks or you know for less than 200 bucks probably the I love one more's triple driver they just came out with a quad driver the triple driver normally sells for ninety-nine dollars got a microphone built in they sound amazing I mean really really good they you know they don't have they did or not boo me in the low end there's not just ridin door hissy in the high-end you actually get some sound stage you can feel somebody they sound fantastic pretty much any type of music and you got to spend a lot more money before you get something it sounds appreciably better than hundred dollar set of earbuds which is funny because all of that they are talking about it just doesn't translate from a smartphone and now we're actually losing what the headphone jacks yeah I mean it's great but part of that right is is uh uh you know when you when you look at something like a four-hundred-dollar set of headphones or this really intense stuff like you know mr. speakers which they sell like they're a Southern California company they make you know planar magnetics in-house down in socal you know they're like they started like 13 15 18 hundred dollars right you know vocals utopia that's a four thousand dollar headphone they they basically like I was talking to the one of the marketing directors at rockin on audio fest earlier this year you know they make the they make the speaker out of beryllium like you got to wear hazmat suits and respirators or like Graham it's incredibly toxic but it's also the stiffest lightest thing they can they found that they can make a driver out of so remember this stuff Adam we got do it for some guys either and then you get this you the performance on this driver is insane and you put in there four thousand dollars that it's ridiculous yeah like you know half the cars alone in my life cost less than four thousand dollars and but you put these on and if you have a quality you know if you've got like lossless audio and a decent headphone amplifier you're there i'm hearing everything that's in the music right but the flip side is like you know the the Sennheiser Momentum's came out a few years ago at the same time the Sennheiser momentum came out at CES they brought the first like Orpheus Orpheus was this crazy moon shot from sennheiser it's like $20,000 blah blah blah umpteen tubes crazy you know and i'm listening to this what you know the the momentum sell for like 150 bucks now they launched it like 300 bucks and I'm listen to this three hundred dollar headphone and I'm listening like this headphone you know amp combination i just seen sell on ebay for like 20 grand and and I'm like because he didn't make it any more and Mike you know the 300 are headphones got me like ninety-four percent of the way to the 28 thousand dollar headphone that's good to know no but I when you start listening this stuff and you start learning what it sounds like or you go from like you know best thing you can do for audio is like pay for premium Spotify you know if you got if you're in a Spotify pay for premium Spotify because there is it deflect right isn't flat files there's there's an audible difference between the higher resolution stuff the lowers naw not like high resolution audio like we have a hundred ninety-two 24-bit audio that's going to really blow your mind because as all the like I I hear some people and I I want to believe that they're hearing you know airier symbols in more of the yada yada huh but I don't know anybody who can a be me the difference between like a high resolution audio track and a CD audio track or maybe I just haven't found the right person but I feel like it might be a little rare yeah yeah but when you when you're looking at Spotify or title it's worth paying for the premium version because you're losing a lot of them like like Pandora like don't get me wrong man Bob Marley on an AM radio in a pickup truck with one janked out speaker it's still Bob Morley man it's awesome but you know i would rather you know pandora on like even a sonos box at home drives me nuts because you know it's a little trashy that you know so you have that intonation you're not into nation you have the I guess I'll uses palette the palette for the year you know how to find I probably saw two hundred bands a year I was like you know I was in colleges in New York and we're back a little bit the battery on here I have to remember to always have the power bank on hand because it's nice to be a power it that way batteries just aren't doing it like like a double a's gigafactory came online Tesla's gigafactory came online I did yeah this week like the you know they just happen to flip the switch on the Panasonic Tesla battery production facility outside of Reno oddly enough this week how amazing there you go but it's like it's a tiny footprint of what it's going to be so I keep dreaming at like lithium ion battery prices are gonna drop going with everything because especially the the solar panels on the roof that the right that they're planning on like I can't wait to put get my own house to do that I gotta make enough money for that first but I know that feeling the UH but we were talking for like it is that's what's I don't have special years or particular palette but at one point of my life you know I was in I was in school in New York City it was it was when you you could still actually go there were a lot of music venues like you could have two slices of pizza or go to CBGB's and see six bands or the continental or a bunch of other places so we went to you know I probably saw two hundred bands a year at that point much that's awesome you know and and that was like the stages were like three feet high if they weren't like eight inches high and I'm standing like you know six feet from somebody's ride cymbal I get a really good idea what a ride cymbal sounds like her mic wats base coming out of a gallien-krueger cabinet man you know I was four feet from that thing I know exactly what it sounds like and when you start when you start like really really listening you know you go with like hey you know it's bob marley singing it's like hey it's it's bob marley singing it wow man i really like the way that and then you start hearing more and more of the music and at some level when you have a good recording you're not really hearing the music you're hearing the music in the place it was recorded and how it was engineered and that's really crazy cuz like really good stereo speakers you're sitting there and like you're staring at a wall or a picture of your mom or the fireplace or whatever is between those two speakers you know but but you know wow man that's Adele sitting there the bass player and whoever is over you mean like you get this this idea of a sound stage yeah exactly it's crazy because like you know two tracks can basically give you a vivid you know image of everything that was going on and it's crazy right there's so many good headphones out right now that are cheap like what what eel axe do and designer named Andrew Jones is now we're going to elac and the dude has been making speakers forever he started out in measurements in one point he was making like fifty thousand dollar pair of bookshelf speakers and he turned around and went to pioneer and made these incredibly inexpensive speakers that sound amazing and then when he left pioneer you went to elac like the elac debuts or 279 a pair you're not finding anything better for the money wow you know the unifies are like five hundred dollar pair i can't find like the next jump up for me is like $1,500 for a set of calf LS 50s wow so that's crazy cause like I've always I've always used and heard the term audio file I've never truly experienced what that meant like audio until right here well I don't get as good to you because file so kind of a weird and the board well I'll you looking for sure but yeah you clearly personify that and like but that's really awesome yeah I can bring it back to Android before we go if you want to so I want to say pioneer and onkyo or pioneer the home audio stuff reminder Thomas yeah and they came out with Android powered audiophile music players right like they do balanced audio out to headphones they do all of the Lost solicitude DSD they're like seven hundred dollars so they're coming out with an inexpensive one that is not Android but they're also instead of like doing the v 20 thing and adding in better audio circuitry into an android phone you're taking an Android a high-end Android audio player and adding a modem into it and turning it into a cell phone you know I mean so that's like I'm like yeah by starting where you guys been how much yeah for real audio starting in the right place and then doing the rest I mean of each one is is pretty smart the reality is it's like you know what most of these are pretty good HTC 10 gave me a slightly better audio experience to be honest the v 20 is awesome don't get me wrong but the HTC 10 was the most fun I had listening to just about anything yeah you know so well yeah definitely um I know you got to go pretty much yeah we're pretty much both have to go at this point but yeah I just want to thank you again Patrick thank you so much for coming around me and I can't wait honestly like you Europe in doing tech thing up in a norcal right so what would you be California in Richmond okay you know what I can come up there I've been on yeah I would love to of course if you wanna skype in from Mobile World Congress we should get you guys to skype in you that would be awesome hi well I would love to like the collaborations like this I want we talked about this to the last time we touch our that collaboration was once a year it has been yeah collaboration has been not really waning in the tech space but I feel like there's a resurgence of it and I want to be really competitive between a lot of people exactly they got the whole sort of YouTube Insider E backstabbing thing and then everybody started to chill out be friends again exactly you know which is what I hope this podcast is illustrating on because we we had we had pocket now yesterday we had pretty much everybody the day before and then I have you here and I'm just so humbled you know by having one dude so okay one last question should then I scroll stop yeah mid-range phone yeah Motorola's pretty much their stuffs been out for a while you had honor 6x you've got ZTE v8 which one looks like the best one wow that's a good question um as of right now I would have to say honors been doing some really great stuff and if you're able if you're able to sort of bump up the price just a little bit you can go from on or 6x up to on or eight and the honor 8 is an exceptional phone at its price because I hate the way they market it because they literally use the word millennial in every sentence one day were like anything at CES this year starting with the very first presentation the Fiat Chrysler yeah portal and you're thinking like porno good yeah you're like it's an electric meeting man for millennial families yeah all right I do think that honor has been doing a really good job and it's one of the easiest phones to get because it's it's like front page center on amazon and it's super easy to get same thing with the honor 6 x so i would say honor but the ZTE Blade v8 pro uh-huh not bad so far not bad so far there's definitely some good features on there the what what is a hang time on when you hit the button on the camera on that horse snaps and I'm just if that's the one thing it's like everything else looks fantastic and it feels good in the hand I mean click and like em wonder if they're gonna fix this takes the picture in firmware it's on board that's always going to be the the Achilles heel is that just a little bit of polish because obviously they're using like a Snapdragon 635 or something like that or 6 20 or whatever the case may be so of course it's gonna be a little bit of slowness to it but I'll you know the main thing I would say our phone of the year for 26 in was the one plus 3t and if you're able to add just one hundred more dollars to your price point to make it about 2 3 99 to make you 399 you could get one of the best phones on the market right now all right hold on it all right love you an Android so bad our Android tablets dead sorry I thought I was gonna stop asking questions you're totally fine um there is no no installed android tablets have just stall completely stalled and there's one really good reason for it uh actually one really horrible reason for it but one one reason for it androids not made for tablets Android as a whole is just not made for a large screen right you don't have the window side of things even iOS to some extent is not really made for a huge square but they've done a good job of catering it um now I have to give a shout-out because I didn't get to see these guys at CES this year but remix OS basically takes the Android back end puts a windows front end on Oh funny and it's so it's awesome you can have a window on the left and look at your calendar and look at your slack and all that stuff via and they all look like the android app there's just in separate windows and on the right side you could be playing clash your clients so it's all at the same time it does require pretty powerful with machine and those do exist like the nexus tablets or stuff like that but yeah that's what's needed or else otherwise Windows tablets are at the LA auto show we saw a Porsche that literally had chinese tablets on the back of headrests and they were like look we have android nothing and that's really all that android tablets are kind of good for it this way i'm not only video I mean they work good for a whole bunch of stuff most elegant say I one of these to be dealing with his I've been testing this this this rune audio player it's a it's kind of like you know it's it's an audio system and they runs on android or iOS but iOS disconnects android won't disconnect so doesn't it doesn't have reconnected the rune player every time you relaunch or go come back from sleep with the application and I'm like wow man I can't find a 10 inch tablet with better specs in the one I already own from 2014 like well yeah i would say tablets do need a resurgence i do think that they're still useful in a lot of cases it's just that when the phone has more capabilities than even the tablet and what's the point of having two phablets kill the tablet fragmentation killed the template is and then and phablets are exactly part of that reason you know why would you make a 6-inch phone why would you make a section 6 inch phone no sir is better not for me six-inch that sounded terrible i'm not gonna be good 6-inch phones are an abomination in my in my opinion I've never liked a 6-inch phone look it's not like my hands are small but yeah somebody's like why didn't you get the 6s and I'm like cuz it won't fit my pocket yeah the if I had the smaller pixel right I wouldn't need this pop socket on the back to hold it easier but other than that I remember oh the Sony Xperia Z ultra three years ago I remember there's a segment on that video where I gave it to some of my friends and they were like that's not a phone and that's the thing the general public doesn't understand why the companies do that kind of thing and I'm like why they make the phone general why they make the television thinner and why they and they think it's cool right what they would ever buy it yeah you have it yeah so that's why I mean I kind of bringing it full circle that's my whole point is that I'm afraid that the tech community and obviously many communities in general we've gone to use the preaching to the choir it'll be interesting to see whether Apple can look outside for for their customers rather than keep doing what they think their customers or what they need to tell their customers to do oh yeah that's what I've got people have been using macbook pros for you know since before window like since like windows 98 or like I'm thinking about moving back to Windows cuz i hate the macbook pro I'm like whoa dude yeah you were like OS 10 on a raging stick and he's like the specs suck i'm not paying that much for it i was like wow i mean i wanna i want to see like i don't know you know it's been a rough year for samsung but like man a lot of people were pissed off about the iphone 7 to ya there but that's the pistol is still selling yeah well Samsung's diving a little bit more into uh some places that i would love to see them dominate not dominate i shouldn't say dominate but succeed succeed to the one word I want to see them I want to see them actually be a part of it my guess is why I'm saying high-end gaming laptops the odd see laptops look so good yeah I should think they're amazing there's a lot I mean dell announced gaming laptops I really want to see if the I really want to see if LG's I can't think of the name of it they're there to point 16 pound 14-inch laptop they're living 21 hours ago so you know I want to call it the Grail but obviously that's not the name yeah but the yeah it's it's I don't know it's it's at some point I'm feeling like you know thinner and thinner bezels and thinner devices man we've said this like six times in this show you know i would i would like to see more products that are ya built for how people use them mm-hmm you know and not for you can have this amazing thing but if you have children you're gonna hate your life because there's been your entire time talking the amazing thing that is incredibly delicate from the creatures that you have you know bread I don't know man specialization is very underrated in tech yes everybody wants to do the that everyone wants that one product that every single person will use but well I don't know this but that CES like especially go into sands or if you look at some of the vendors where it's like you know people are like building you know little tiny sensors and all they do is like detect temperature or there's it's amazing like how much very very you know narrowly focused stuff you can find if you look around especially the edges are over at the sands that's worth do it no I've been able to go to the sands yet um I'm she's right I should get my badge first yeah you probably need that which means you probably go in there tomorrow say oh my goodness I should get going BSF kept you an extra 13 minutes no you know I good run upstairs just want to make sure that I get just one pic of us cuz i got got commemorate this momentous moment form up for me seriously though like we gotta wait for the gondola so we're gonna lean in and just wait for him to he stopped oh yeah all right there you go so close he's so close on 3 1 2 n awesome I can't wait for that to be the thumbnail on youtube I will thank you again so much and I you guys are still recording I don't know yeah but yeah thank you again so much and you can find all the Patrick's links in the show notes or if you're watching the youtubes virgin it'll be in the description below but seriously this is probably one of my favorite moments I've ever had in the tech world I'm honored thank you so much for having me oh yeah no you humble World Congress skype in detecting TK thi ng com youtube.com slash technic all right we'll see if we make that happen alright cool so stay tuned for the last podcast I think we have maybe one or two more and it's just going to be the team so I think we're good to go on that so thank you so much for watching and Patrick Norton guys