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hello everybody and welcome to the Friday debate podcast by Android Authority discussing topics in Android every single week this is episode 11 of the FDP this time we're talking about Chrome OS now we did see a lot of announcements this past week around April Fool's Day about some chrome ecosystem products that are coming out including the chrome bit by a sous or with a partnership with a sous I should say and a couple of Chromebooks and an updated chrome OS that now we'll be able to take a tool that will alight to test Android on Chrome OS we talked about whether or not Chrome OS is a sustainable ecosystem especially for the types of people that we are in the world that we have with pcs and Adobe Photoshop and Premiere Pro and all these things and whether or not we would be able to convert to Chrome OS or to a Chromebook per se now the only person on the panel I'm joined by the usual panel this week is Jonathan vice that has a Chromebook he's the only one in the group that has one and he gives us a rundown of how he feels about the Chrome OS and how he uses it on the daily and then we kind of pontificate on whether or not we would be able to dive into that particular ecosystem we have a double feature today because last week's technical difficulties made me have to find some extra solutions and release last week's episode today as well so you're getting two episodes today and I hope you enjoy them some changes down the pipe are going to happen with the friday debate podcast nothing too drastic but we will let you know what that is in a specialized episode by me probably for about five minutes letting you know everything that you can do to add your voice to the FDP not only on social media but in plenty of other places across the Internet's with all of that if you're watching the YouTube version of this make sure you hit the card on the side and you'll be able to head on over to the Friday debate podcast post at Android or decom to find all of our social media links you'll also be able to find where you can get the podcast in other formats other than YouTube like on stitcher and iTunes and pocket casts and those are of course the best ways of listening to the friday debate podcast without any further ado this is episode 11 Chrome OS of the Friday debate podcast hope you guys enjoy you know guys I would love to change the world but they won't give me the source code every single week we're gonna get a nice start through Joe yes my new goal I'm going to start off the podcast every week with that with a really stupid joke I think we should have considered the weekly topic the to be why do they have to keep ruining you know TV shows and things from the 90s and making and remaking them I think that would be a great non Android related topics well that's also what they're doing with movies all the time right like they're yeah pretty much they're remaking a bunch of Disney movies and stuff like that I remember seeing Saturday Night Live they made fun of that whole notion that the rock did the rock oh my god yes that was hilarious basically a gun-toting Bambi like you're shooting everyone in the Freddie do so nice no I saw a post on Google+ so I was like oh man they're rebooting all these TV shows they should reboot Firefly and like the first comment was no actually be well what uh what TV show you would you want to see rebooted I don't know I don't know if anyone even has an answer to that because it's like I don't think I want to see anything we would have liked to see new things new ideas Yeah right did you hear that um yeah I think was yesterday uh Netflix is exploring I kid you not a spin-off of full house oh yeah fuller house yeah that's what made me think of this is like I read that earlier it's like are you serious and it's been really ridiculous I mean scream is being turned into a TV show if you guys didn't know that no no yeah we're turning scream into a television show um yeah it's just getting ridiculous I would I would be done for fuller house if they lent Sagat be himself he's actually a super vulgar guy like he's he's not the kind of guy you would you would want as your dad let's go that way like this is the bitter years after another 20 years that you just turned the other it should just be a brittle aged house it should just be super meta like all of the full house characters are acting like the actors who had to play the characters in full house and they're all bitter about being a part of full house there'd be a lot of drug use some actually be a reality TV show like you don't have all the different sitcom characters like get together in a house that could I could see that working yeah you know all the different things like some family matters and all of them and just put them all on a house together I think that's a good idea I think we should pitch that to someone rehashing a lot of ideas also not just like revamping or re or reviving them like isn't there a CSI now that's about the digital age like there's there's a CSI that deals with like hackers and stuff like that and gets like CSI yeah I'm trying to get the name of it yeah I am like uh and I showed her to think just how inaccurate they get with like tech pop culture like like how long order always mess it up you know like they always had freaking ice-t be the guy who didn't know what technology was like why would you put your why would you tag it on location on that photo main like the worst ice-t okay Josh you were on a ten-minute banned from doing impressions I will gladly take the cone of silence yes all right well we're back into it this week our topic as you may probably are seeing on the title of this and we have a double feature today because since I had trouble with the audio from last week's episode I'm actually just gonna release two episodes today so I hope all of you guys are really happy with that last week's episode was super fun it turned out to be like 90 minutes long and we just learned up this pageant all day about sci-fi stuff I listened to back it was your fest really a room full of nerds - talking about IT stuff or sci-fi stuff what else you think was gonna so this week we're actually going to delve deeper into a topic that last week we kind of touched upon and that was cloud computing but Google is obviously really going all not really all in but they're they're really supplementing the Chrome OS the Chrome ecosystem even though a lot of these announcements have been on April 1st which everyone was taking everything with a grain of salt I don't know if you guys got got got caught by any of the April Fool's jokes did you guys know I thought in that day snake I followed them but yeah I mean most of them are pretty obvious they don't know a job of making it up sorry Joe I'm sorry I came really close to believing one of them and that's because it was posted on April 2nd of that it was the The Walking Dead gets canceled for some reason or other I didn't read the whole post it was just like the the guy the director guy or something's like on Twitter Google+ something he's like oh yeah the Walking Dead is getting canceled but they like it was posted on April 2nd so I took it seriously for a second then I saw it was a repost I'm back at the post I was April 1st I was like screw you who host April Fool's jokes on April 2nd so just like that yeah so give me how Christmas presents on New Year's Christmas it's next year jerk well did you guys see the Motorola April Fool's joke I think that's hilarious I think they should have done that for real I think a lot of people would have bought it there are some there are some people who would buy those actually I'm sure there are what was it I did mr. dick I know I know Josh was disappointed he couldn't buy one no I hate selfie sticks with a passion like I said it okay the only thing you need to do is go to a to a museum and you'll see everyone with selfie sticks almost toppling over all of the artifacts or that definitely art but basically the the Motorola April Fool's joke was moto maker now has a selfie stick option and you can get like a bamboo customizable and it looked kind of cool like in leather like I thought that was kind of funny did you stick for all your beat BDSM selfie-stick there it is did you guys see the Samsung Swan no they call it obviously Note edge know that yes the Galaxy blade edge it was a knife it was a smart knife that had a sharp edge that could cut through things and supposedly was stronger than steel and some kind of ceramic and it was yeah it was crazy they actually went really detailed and like explaining the software and like it had NOx protection to make sure you don't cut your fingers and it was pretty good last year yeah they tend to be samsung tends to go really overboard Google does the most but Google's none of them are really that that's like they're all pretty quick you know they don't go into a lot of detail they're just here here it is all the little things Easter eggs you know like the pac-man thing on Google Maps over against a topic but did you guys want do you guys use time hop at all I used to I stopped because I just made you depressed yeah I posted from five-year do my post from five years ago were really bad I was looking at myself I'm like man I was everything I currently hate about the Internet five years ago oh yeah I know same here I was I was posting song quotes and vague booking oh this person made me so mad I wish I could walk back to five years ago and slap myself right across my face I think you were gonna grow up and get over this immediately the one that I had the one that I don't really like are the so when I was in college I had my first long-term girlfriend so some every now and then I'll see like five pictures of just me and my ex and they're like super corny and super campy and those are the ones where I'm just like I kind of think I want to uninstall this happen oh that's gotta hurt right deep down in the fields right not only not not just because of that but because you know I mean what who is this guy who's like super cheesy and wants to show the world like I'm so not that person anymore thank God and I'm and think of I'm dating somebody now who's not like that either just a real like a real but the time hop April Fool's joke was called time book and they said oh now there's a now there's a brand new way of looking through your past and then it showed just the link or the picture of you clicking on one of the years and the Facebook Timeline and they're just like this is time book everybody and I made like a huge deal about it I thought that was pretty funny all right so we are jumping into the Chrome OS ecosystem right now and so Chromebooks chromecast and now chrome bit a number of these aside from chromecast a number of these announcements did happen on April Fool's Day which is why we went on that tangent but they're real they are absolutely real and I will admit when it came to the chrome bit which we'll get into a little in a little bit the the the I actually thought that it was fake like to create a small little dongle like that for an HDMI TV HDMI capable TV TV rather and all of a sudden have a working PC there that's something we'll get into in a little bit but I personally did not think that that was like a viable like like like peripheral to have but the first thing I wanted to get into because I know that we're all gonna have positive feedback on this is you all have chromecast right yep yes all right don't cast yes chromecast is it not one of the greatest things google has ever invented unless someone's actually going to disagree with me on that I use mine all the time yeah and I actually got but you I'm a cable cutter yeah I never use mine either well but I like knowing that it's there it's used on rare occasion it's on the bedroom TV but we don't really use that TV that much well what do you guys undiluted then um Roku a person like that I like ooh III I don't know I just I like having a remote I'm sorry I just stick huh I can't get over the head I like remotes it's real lessons thank you with the it's like you Josh with the physical keyboards you know it's III like to have to I like to press the buttons on a remote okay fair enough but yeah well it's become like my lifeline you know i the TV in my room is used for ps4 which is funny because I don't really use the ps4 for like Netflix and Hulu and all that stuff mainly because it it heats up the room like a mother like it's but when that then is going the room just gets really hot so the chromecast is a much better solution for that but even then I didn't I didn't have my DirecTV connected to my TV for a long time and I didn't need it because I would just watch Hulu or watch Netflix on and it's just as easy as hitting that icon on the Android operating system you know but Joe you don't use your chromecast at all oh no not really I mean I use it to like test apps and stuff when you when the situation calls for it but like on my main TV I have my xbox one and a cable box and an Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii U so I mean if I can't get to what I'm going for using one of those devices chromecast isn't the solution I need a lobotomy and then you know my the other screens in my house you know I got my laptop or my yeah my laptop my computer upstairs my tablet which has you know it's the Nvidia shield tablet so I got that something just broke sorry about that I just drove it I was messing around with like a screw and it just dropped it but yeah everything you know I just I don't need it everything is already connected to the Internet in the ways that I need it to be and the one thing that I would wish what had chromecast support doesn't which is the Funimation app watch all of my anime you don't use like a crunchy roller yeah it's like crunchy roll but as smaller you know it's more specifics a fundamental you know they do a lot of dubbing and subbing and stuff so the stuff that they dub and sub they have licensed for so they camera it's the first time I'll ever be able to ask a anime related question dubbing or subbing what's better dubbing really yes and there's a reason there's a reason for it and I know like for the authentic experience you want the subs but the thing is is it you know if I'm sitting there and my you know eyes are at the bottom of the screen reading the text I'm missing what's going on at the top of the screen so like you know it might be like something subtle like you know a lot of animators do that little like subtle stuff sometimes or it's just like a quick wink or you know it's like three frames you just see the wink and but I'm missing it because he's saying something and I have to read what it freakin is so I like the Dubs at least when the doves are done well that in a compliment they aren't most the time but you know like Full Metal Alchemist had really good dubs Fairy Tail has really great dubs do Dragon Ball Z had really terrible dubs holy crap that show Joe has never sounded more gangster than right now how about you fuzzy so you are you are of the chromecast army like me oh I thought you're asking about dubs and subs the subs man come on stop screw yeah absolutely i use the chromecast all the time now here's the thing I'm still kind of in my my transition my move from Canada to the eunuch to the US so a lot of my stuff is still in storage in Canada my playstation my you know DVD player stereo system all that stuff is still up there so I've just got a little TV and a chromecast and for what little I use it and pretty much if the TV is on the chromecast is being used okay so obviously we have the chromecast taking so it okay the cloud which is such an odd term to you sometimes because it's like that movie that Jason sequel is it no one understands the cloud and that's it so essentially you have your smartphone you're already streaming from the cloud you're already streaming your media then you hit a button and then it sends that same signal to a different peripheral into your TV you know that's that's kind of the whole basis of cloud computing being able to have everything either stored in the cloud or coming from it now now we move into the PC base which is what the crux of our our topic is fiesty being the one person in this chat right now that has a Chromebook can you convince us as to why a Chromebook is a better solution than what pcs or Macs if it happens to be we have now no I cannot so I'm going to try okay but so here's the thing I found with Chromebooks and I spent a lot of time researching before I purchased mine I should have gone all out and gotten the pixel but you know budget dictated that wasn't in the cards if you get one of the low-end small like 11 inch 11.6 inch and I think they are and a Chromebooks unless you're looking for a tablet replacement it's not gonna suit any of your needs now the Chromebook I got is the HP Chromebook 14 and it's got one of the the newer bigger Intel processors I mean it's not much but you know 1.4 gig dual-core processor and it's enough to get by a plug it plays 1080p video I mean it's it's more than enough for daily usage but again I spent the extra time I spent the extra money I got a bigger unit it's a little bit more capable where did I go wrong I got one with two gigabytes of RAM and we'll let Jos jump in later and talk about RAM usage through Chrome but let's just say if you're buying a Chromebook get as much RAM as you possibly can if there were ever a hate portion of this device it's based on a lack of RAM okay well coming from the writing standpoint and I guess crushy you can you could give us your insight on this coming from the writing standpoint let's say you're not necessarily doing a whole lot of let's say video editing or photo editing or even gaming let's say gaming is this a viable this is a viable laptop or computing system for somebody who doesn't do those other things do you would you recommend someone use it over the locally processed you know like word processors or even like Evernote which in a way is a cloud computing platform is this a viable solution for anybody who doesn't do the creative types let me jump right back in there for one quick second although the Chromebook does focus on the cloud quite a bit it does not need I mean most of them come with for a year or two you know 100 gigabytes of free Google Drive storage I haven't activated that I don't really need it or want it I have other solutions but there's this misconception that Chromebook is strictly the web browser and strictly for cloud operations but it isn't it has its own built-in File Explorer media players calculator you know it has local apps that work offline it has a text editor and I mean I would I don't use it for writing for you know for Android authority I use blogger or you know our website for that but the text editors are there can be used locally off offline okay we go on well I mean even even with that in mind even the fact that and that's true there are some there are some local storage / local localized work that can be done on a Chromebook but even given what is available in the Chrome OS itself is it a viable solution for someone who's maybe used to the Microsoft Office ecosystem for example know if you're dedicated to and I encounter this all the time people in my world of Microsoft Excel there is nothing locally that comes even close to comparing to Excel you'd have to go online of course a Google Drive Google sheets whatever it's called now but nothing locally no okay so groshi' how do you feel about Chromebook and Chrome OS in general I guess because you are you are primarily a writer for us so it doesn't as a does a system like that appeal to you as someone who's not going to delve into anything graphically intensive um yes and no I mean I've I don't own a Chromebook like you know but I I have used them battery life for the most part tends to be I don't know on your model what's the life john-john on your particular model but I know it tends to be pretty good depending on what you get I get about 10 hours that's one aging yeah see to me yes as a writer especially like when we write like events like CES when my laptop was dying every like two hours yeah it sounds amazing for basic stuff and the reality is the cloud computing if you're in an area with reliable action most things you can do locally you can do on the cloud I mean if you're a Microsoft person there's what office 365 and you know there's there are solutions you can still enjoy a full computing experience if you're willing to put things in the cloud now not everyone's willing to do that obviously some people either don't have reliable connections all the time oh I think that's becoming for those of laced in major mark you know major countries you know you know developing countries you know in Europe and you know the United States it's probably less of an issue anymore honestly most of us probably have reliable access most of the time not all the time but most of the time but I think it comes the more down to like people fearing privacy concerns and things like that but to be honest you know mm-hmm so yeah would I would I use one yeah I've actually considered getting one um I uh and even though I'm a little bit leery about the whole Loram thing like first as mentioned like they have the new uh Isis it's a convertible that turns into a tablet basically you know folds back I think it's kind of cool for well I think it's only like 250 or 300 dollars or something you know like that it's pretty cool for what it is I mean yes technically Chrome OS isn't great for touch but yeah I don't know it kind of appealed to me I thought it looked interesting cuz I like I like the idea of convertible devices none of them have really worked out very well but I like the idea of you know being able to converge things you know okay Joe what do you what's your workhorse what's your main computing platform right now I use Windows currently and I think it's as I told the guys before we started the podcast I was like I really hope you guys can carry the lion's share because I really can't say much about Chrome OS I've never used it it's never been in my presence and that's mostly because you know I am a Windows user currently and it's I mean it's Windows I don't know I've never had a problem with Windows that other people have had and it actually boggles my mind like oh yeah I get like 60 besause a day like man I looked at your Google+ profile you have a bachelor's degree in freakin computer engineering and you get a blue screen of death on your computer and you don't know what's causing it like hmm I can I can speak to that actually I I did a I did IT support for faculty and staff at my college and from what I can tell even people who are very savvy with computers there it's that that's like that somehow that is separate from the part of people that will click on anything that looks cool I can't really understand it because the first thing I would do when I would go to computer science professors let's say like desktop computer in their office is I open up there first of all they're browsers Internet Explorer for God's sake and then they're like a dozen different toolbars on it it's like do you not read what comes on the screen before you click anything that's what I kind of realized so it's so I will speak to that in the sense that it seems like those two worlds are separate somehow and I don't really understand why so but uh yeah you know um so instead of like talking about actual Chrome OS like these you know yeah that you guys have I was gonna go from their perspective perspective of why I don't have a Chromebook yet and it's simply because you know the the unique nature of our work prevents me from doing so I spent a year in high school and a year in college learning Adobe Photoshop I'm not leaving Adobe Photoshop you know I know like oh you know giimpse better at this or giimpse free or you know f OSS and all that jazz it's cool and all if you have never used imaging software before but you know and and this is also true for you know Microsoft most college-educated people have taking courses on Microsoft Office anybody who's done in graphic design or video game design or you know video editing stuff in college has used you know Premiere Pro and Photoshop and these really big really heavy programs that you don't get on Chrome OS or even on Linux for that matter and you know so when people ask me like well how come you just don't switch it's because I have learned how to use this ecosystem and for me to change to a wholly different ecosystem without the tools that I you know currently use is literally a step backwards for me because I'm gonna have to relearn you know I don't even know is there even a video editor on Chrome OS no no yeah so I'd video I dare not his job I don't think yeah yeah it's um there's some online stuff but there's no local editor can YouTube editor you know the reality is if you have a specialized job yet that's not who Chromebooks Chromebooks are meant to be your casual device you know most people who use them on a daily basis have no you know major need and if they do then they have two devices one they use for business one they use for pleasure well he used to say that about Mac's also that for the creative types Mac's or the end-all-be-all type of ecosystem and then slowly Windows sort of got that backing from Adobe to the point where they got their own suite of great creative applications that aren't just for Mac so I don't know maybe Chrome OS is going to make that leap one day well obviously is not gonna happen yet well and to be fair I mean if you have light needs for professional needs you know if you're not doing like a bunch of YouTube videos if you're just like you know maybe quickly editing something you know uh image or something you know Adobe Photoshop does exist now on Chrome but it's it's a web-based version so it has almost all the same features though you know and some but you have no connection doesn't it also cost money like per month like you can't just buy a license for it I'm not I believe that's true I think yeah I think it is a much exact description I'm not a hundred venture on that yeah that's why I haven't gone to the Creative Cloud yet I still have the this I think yeah it is you have to have that correct it just looked at yeah so I mean and it's it's likes cheap either it's like what 20 bucks a month or something like ten to get like yeah it's it's not it's not user friendly especially if you're like me and you know you went through the trouble years ago of buying you know you know cs5 or cs6 or something and go yeah I switch to Chrome OS you can still use those tools online for $50 a month like nope sorry well I guess my point cost so much that it's isn't so much that it's where we need it to be yet but that it's possible no it's definitely possible and like you know once Chrome OS starts getting those you know those hard core tools I will be much less of a you know one of the people that are against it so much but you know currently has I mean I think we I came ever had this conversation with you guys on this very podcast or if I had it with somebody else but you know I hear this the thing that people say all the time it like most people can just switch to Chrome be okay and you know cuz like and and I think about that it's like well most people I know use Photoshop or they play games or you know they do something have iTunes or something that you absolutely cannot recreate on Chrome OS and I think you know the the way that statistic goes is you know if every person does ten things on a computer nine of them could be done on Chrome OS and one of them could not and it's that one of them could not part that really bugs me and that really you know that keeps me away from the Chrome OS ecosystem because like even when I'm not doing work you know I still game so like I still couldn't have a Chromebook because it it would be missing the one feature that I used on a personal thing that I you know that I can't also do on my desktop yeah definitely like is it kind of is out of line to say that Chrome OS or home books are somewhat supposed to be used as a supplementary piece come down to your let's say desktop computer your your hardcore desktop computer at home car you say true could we see Chrome OS becoming like a desktop solution I don't think that really no not right now or not in the way it's going either he's like even if it gets it because I know we're gonna talk about this eventually but I'm gonna bring it up now anyway even if it gets full Android integration Chrome OS still can't hold a torch to the kinds of things you could do on on an iMac or on a Windows desktop or even to some extent on the lace well I guess to a different extent on a Linux desktop because I mean you have just so many more tools and so many more things that you can do you know like putting Chrome OS on a desktop is kind of like putting a v8 engine on a tricycle like it's just like it doesn't make it easy v 8 engine needs to go in the car and kids ride tricycles so like it was just it just seemed wrong like on too many levels to have a chrome OS desktop at least right now the obviously version of me is seething right now like I'll be so cool I think the more pertinent question is you were riding tricycles at eight years old buzz it was it's a five whenever kindergarten I remember at my at my school they had like a shed and there were just tricycles in there and we would just ride around the whole school like that was really fine so yeah speaking to the Android let's say the having Android on Chrome OS as we say as we see here there is also the possibility or rather there's going to be tool that allows Android apps to be used on Chrome OS for testing before testing is the main word they're feisty do you have any Android based applications on your Chrome OS at this point no not at all why not I've had known because the ones that are there do not appeal to me I don't use them on my Android device why would I use them on the okay fair enough I didn't yeah that's that's a big issue a lot of the apps they have right now are that they're missing a lot of the big ones you know it's a lot of the small ones what do they have I thought they had Evernote and dang what else was there like like the Google apps right though they have most of those apps as native apps like Google keep for example has a native app it's not an Android app it's it's you know it's it's a Chrome OS app you know as far as I'm probably should have done a better job of looking at a time I'm trying to member what all they have for actual Android apps but they're it's limited a lot of the big things like you know if your Facebook's and stuff aren't there to my knowledge you know let's see available for ya okay well let's look at it while groceries looking that up there might be a a different angle to this that if Chrome OS Joe already said that even if Chrome OS becomes even more Android like it still won't hold a candle to the to the full on Windows and Mac desktops that we have or laptops for that matter but would that would that further appeal to someone like you Joe or even see any of you guys really if Android applications were natively supported in Chrome OS so if gaming was an issue maybe you might be able to throw on like shadow run on your on your Chromebook pixel or coat or you know you're not gonna get any of the super new games obviously but what if that was a part of the ecosystem by in like a year it would mitigate a lot of the the things I don't like about Chrome OS but I think I don't think it would completely you know get rid of I mean yeah I could still play games on that but I for me again I can't speak for it this is not speaking for Everest rickly me but I have one two three Android devices in my immediate right reach and one of them is a tablet if I want to play an Android game I have my choices at least two out of the three these devices are charged 100% at all times so you know a you know I don't see the point of getting a laptop that does what my tablet does already especially when I already have a laptop and a desktop you know it's just there's just no place for something like that to fit in because it's not really bringing anything new to the table I think that's part of the problem though is we're looking at it from our positions as you know super nerds know not everyone is going to have you know a billion phones you know that none of them have SIM cards inside that I you know you keep them next to you at all times I'm not jabbing at anyone in particular I have faced 25 smartphones all next to us at once and you know 80 tablets you know and so the reality is that if you're a consumer especially if you're consumer in a either emerging market which right now clouds out of grapes you know what's still you know depending on where you are in the emerging market you know a cloud-based solution isn't the right solution yet but it could be eventually anyway or even if you just have a low budget if you could get one device like that could convert into a tablet that could also be used as a laptop that would probably be a pretty good you know savings proposition if it could run everything that you that you need you know on the Android side and you can also have a little bit of desktop side because of Chrome OS I don't know I could be a good way to do everything at once and save yourself some money yeah I'm saying what uh what applications fiesty are you waiting for to take Chrome OS to that next level is on the Chromebook side of things good none I don't care I love explain but Grusha makes an excellent point that I haven't thought of is a you know if for example the entire Google Play Store were available for Chromebooks that would that certainly open up quite a bit but I've gone the opposite route and and this was my purpose when I originally purchased this specific Chromebook was I have installed and I run a little program called crouton what it does is it allows me to not quite dual-boot but we'll just for the sake of it will say dual boot with Chrome OS and then into just a Ubuntu you know there's different streams of Linux available but you know I'm using the precise penguin or whatever it's called so I've gone the opposite route is instead of trying to bring in Android apps and focus and try and find ones that work there or even just apps through the Chrome Web Store I've just got it you know it's a few keys on the keyboard shortcut and it and it jumps over and I'm into a full you know full OS environment and so I've got all the GIMP image editor and Skype for example Skype is a big one but if anybody was missing that and it's really hard to get Skype going on a Chrome OS if you even can nonetheless I mean there's this full OS in the Ubuntu and Linux there's the Chrome OS and then there's the Android apps these devices are really becoming quite appealing aren't they yeah well the problem though is that angle you're going with requires a lot of tinkering it's not out of the box you know and that's not gonna work for everyone and for some of us it might just be even those who might be able to do it just for convenience sake why do that when you can just buy yourself a Windows or whatever allene a laptop you know and so it gets down to that uh I do have a question though for you Feist uh so what would it take and that's kind of a you know what would it take for you to not want to boot into the abouttwo side what what would Chrome OS need to do differently basically as you guys have already stated it would need to support some more older and localized apps nah I didn't learn Photoshop like Joe did however I did learn the GIMP image editor and yeah that's you know I can't run it on the Chrome OS and then that's almost exclusively what I jump over to Ubuntu for so without with some you know again the Chrome OS oh one other thing that really is shortcoming on it is the file explorer it's there it works it functions you can you know can zip and unzip folders and files and stuff but yeah it's missing this one key little thing that I'm accustomed to doing is selecting a file or two or or 100 whatever right-clicking and saying properties it doesn't exist here it's just a basic basic file explorer it shows you your files and you can do some copy and pasting you know that sort of stuff that is really where it flash works for me can you get by without those I mean if you're comfortable in an Android device without a file explorer then this won't bother you if you're not doing any serious image editing or you're comfortable using the online ones there's one called Pixlr P IX l are a it's a great little app but I don't like it but it's a great little app works fine and its cloud-based and you know it's a Photoshop mini so to speak and they'll hate me for saying that because they believe they have more features than Photoshop but yet that's another start you guys feel about the chrome bit then it's it's it's extending the Chrome OS into a larger platform per se you just put in that little dongle as it's called and put it into the HDMI port on a TV and now you have a full working Chrome OS on there is saying I'm seeing that we understand the limitations of Chrome OS is this is this a move that needed to be made do you guys think let my channel Gary real quick sorry Gary would say the Raspberry Pi is out there and the a few other like MIPS power devices and stuff that already do this but sorry Guangzhou and I start channeling Gary there I guess next time try to the British accent thing alright sorry no good at that I won't even try the chrome bit of all the Chrome OS devices that have ever come out I think the chrome bit is the one that makes the most sense really I I think I like that a whole lot better than all of the other ones and the reason for it is because it's a form factor that is a that is incredibly weak I mean that you know yeah we have the chromecast and all that but can you guys name like an Android stick or like another stick computer that has the kind of Cape from it's one of those things were like you know when you look at a chrome Chromebook you know you look at it from you know being on a Windows laptop or being on a desktop and looking down at the Chromebook when you're looking at it from a computer stick perspective you're looking up at the chrome bit because the chrome bit is you know functionality-wise far and above like pretty much any other stick computer that you can probably think of so you know at least in my and that's just my opinion by the way but you know it might in my mind's eye you know if I'm gonna have you know Chrome OS anywhere it would be on a little stick that I could plug in everywhere because I mean that's essentially what you know the pen Linux or whatever it's called pen yeah something like that yeah something like that yeah you know I mean that that's the reason why those things exist is because you know is it being able to transfer your entire computing environment from one monitor to the next and you only have to carry your peripherals with you like that's something that seems like it's more suited for cloud computing than something like a laptop which you can take with you anywhere even in the offline places so yeah I'm kind of going in circles at this point so I'm gonna stop talking obviously has to do with your no it obviously has to do with your your your use case right cuz honestly when I think of a little stick that goes into the into the TV I'm thinking of the chromecast because what's the main thing I want to do on a TV is enjoy media and yes there would be nice to have maybe a few things that are better work-related on there but if I would have a chromecast and I have my smartphone already anyways on me then that would be my use cases to just turn on Netflix or Hulu or YouTube for that matter so I suppose to me the chrome bit just kind of seems like it's such a niche is what I think it seems like to me yes I know go ahead sorry go ahead yeah I was gonna say you know it I can't imagine a use case that couldn't use something like the chrome bit because I mean it's you know you have a little like say bluetooth keyboard or something you can type on with it you can still go to Netflix you can still engage in all of your media since it's all it says it already has to be on the cloud anyway so you know you just plug it in the back of the TV connect to Wi-Fi and boom you have all of your music and all your stuff like that no you have to do is carry on like a you know a little app there a little uh keyboard on you all the time which isn't that bad but uh you know I can't imagine like you know being able to take that out and go to a friend's house and plug it in and you know you still have hooli still have Netflix and all that stuff it just seems like it would be more convenient yeah you know regardless of the use case then having a lot a whole laptop to carry around you just have this little thing and maybe a keyboard yeah I did give a soos a lot of credit though eBay this really does seem to be the company that really believes in what Google's doing so there are usually the ones who first put out certain things like the Chromebook or in this case the chrome bit I could see it working as a replacement to my chromecast if I wanted that extra functionality I suppose but you know my own hope is that chrome OS evolves to the point where you have Android apps working natively on there for example so if I'm in like a hotel room I've been traveling a lot recently if I'm in a hotel room I'm just pop that thing into a HDMI port on the TV inside the hotel room and be able to do pretty much anything I want on that TV that does sound like a good time to me so but yeah Grusha you were gonna say something well yeah I guess to me I think well you're kind of I don't know say you're looking at wrong but I think that part of the point of chrome Bay isn't so much I think it basically is chrome boxes have not done well and they haven't done well because they're kind of pointless they're big they're bulky they really don't accomplish anything beds that special unique and so I think the chrome bits just an evolution on the idea basically it's saying hey now it's smaller now it's more convenient and you can take it with you where's that chromeboxes we're big enough that that wasn't really it you know and so pricing is not too much more I mean not too much yeah not too much less on the chrome bit then you know these chrome boxes but they're a lot more convenient and I you know Google has really I think that they're going after you know once again people who might have a monitor sitting around you know from their last computer but now that they have a tablet and a smartphone they don't really want to buy a new computer but every once in awhile they wouldn't mind word process you know using our word processors hype up a document or during tax time doing this or doing that well I have a monitor already I already have a keyboard in the mouse they're all USB compliant now I can just plug in this Chrome but bit to the back of my monitor and I have a cheap computer I can use for when I need it you know and so I think it's really more about appealing to those people who have you know cuz how many people have a monitor that would work an HDMI monitor I mean yeah maybe not as many but that they aren't using I know I have several I have two HDMI monitor so not being used now you know I will say that I've run into those people who have gotten like a chromecast and this was when the chromecast was first announced and I remember people calling me like how do I use this thing and then I went to you know basically be tech support for them and their TV did not then you know my ports blows it does happen yeah so I guess to me I just I think Google's just Google very much is trying to get you know this kind of trying to get their services to people who don't have them now and I think the crumpets crumpets just an extension of that you know opening up I have to agree with you completely it you know it's just a transition and a you know another option out there amongst other options now you don't need this device it does not fill a niche but it is a neat little unit to have and and if you're looking for something to you know to fill that empty slot on an unused monitor TV it sounds great but than that I mean right now I believe Best Buy has the of course that's gonna be dated by the time anybody hears this podcast but I mean there's a Chromebook on sale right now for like one hundred and twenty nine dollars yes and you can pick up an HDMI cable for five bucks and so essentially for just a few dollars more than you know this chromebit plus bluetooth keyboard you've got a portable device that is its own computer with screen that you can just hook into a computer and do the same stuff Touche you you win that one sir yeah not to uh not to if you don't mind Josh ever question I woulda might ask me both that cool yeah not to hijack the I just have a not at all we're co-hosts it's not I there was that like if Google was listening and you could give them and this is for anyone and you could give them tip this isn't on what they could do differently with with like what functionality would you like to see on like a chronic Chromebook or a Chrome OS would you like to see you know Google Play full store would you like to see you know support for Lana what what do you think that they should would add you know what what would you give them as advice to make chrome OS more appealing when compared to like Microsoft's you know windows and you know Mac and whatnot well I'm gonna take a bit of a off-base answer on this one because I haven't think invited since we were talking about like the Chromebook pixel and whatnot I was there when the Chromebook pixel was first announced and I remember seeing the specs on and I thought man that's a great looking laptop with some pretty good specs I want necessary to be able to get too much done on that not just because of carmelize but because the specs themselves are not really geared towards the hard core creator slash gamer type I want to see Chromebooks that have the specifications of a let's say ultra book like the one I have right now and perhaps maybe Google can start to push the idea that you know much like when Mac finally real oh when Apple finally realized you know there's certain things that out that that Windows will be able to do that our mac OS won't be able to and one of those main things was gaming and eventually they create boot camp I would love to see Google create some sort of that's a campaign or some sort of software that will allow you to dual boot from one to the other and wasn't there something where Chrome OS was a actually like you could try it out within your windows yeah if you have Windows 8 basically you you pretty much if you go into you know the Metro desk what do you want to call there you know Start menu and you uh and you boot it as there as a Start app it will come full screen it will basically have almost everything that you could do on a Chromebook other than like you can't change wallpaper and there's a few other little things that are not the same but it's bolstered that a little bit I would love a dual booting system where if I needed to do the creative stuff I could be in Windows but if I wanted to tap into Chrome OS without having to reboot then of course you could have that that simulator or whatever you want to call it and it will tap into the Chrome OS side of the partition I think they'll be awesome and then when I just want to get some work done and have you know cuz someone said back at an end WC I think it was Sascha over at mobile geeks when we were on the podcast together he said it's better to have a device that doesn't allow you to get distracted because it doesn't even have the capabilities of distracting you so if you have like the Chrome OS just for work I would be okay with that because I see the appeal of that but for times when I do just want to sit down and play something yeah as an experiment when at first when that functionality you know that you mentioned it first came out I started using that in in the metro desktop and exclusively like for like a week like I would not boot back it you know I was just using the interface and after a while you didn't notice it until you did you know main like like when it came to just loading up like you know doing things like on WordPress for work and you know Android authority you know just little stuff and just even personal stuff looking up social networks didn't notice at all until all of a sudden you get the urge to play a game or do something and that's when you notice then you notice hard but you get what they did a good job with the interfaces what I'm saying like it feels like any other operating system you know hmm uh but then it's not mine is really quick so I'll go um Josh you were talking about the ability to you know dual boot into other operating systems mine's kind of a copy of that idea but vice-versa instead of you know me having to buy google hardware and then you know go buy a copy of Windows and dual boot into Windows I would much rather I would much prefer to get a copy of Chrome OS and dual boot on my existing Windows hardware oh yeah I can't do that by the way I know I can't take my do that it's called Chrome browser and I know you can do that even more than that just like okay you know how Chrome has the open source side chromium right yes so does Chrome OS there's chromium OS oh good the problem is like many other Linux distros you can do it but like I tried it once on one of my old HP laptops it ran like crap exactly you know capably issue all right fine I will rephrase that for mr. I don't understand sarcasm they're a functioning well performing dual boot with my windows hardware because you know it's one of those things where it's difficult to even you know I mean yeah you can run the emulator you can get the chromium OS or you know I maintain that using Chrome browser is essentially using Chrome OS you know - a large features especially with all the RAM it takes up like you know you got 4 gigabytes of RAM swallowed up into a browser it's running a freaking operating system I don't care what anybody says but the idea that I can't test it I can't play with it I can't really do much with it unless I go and spend even if it's only a hundred and twenty dollars that's still a hundred and twenty dollars that I have to you know sit down before I can even decide if I like this this operating system or not and that's really the number one deterrent for me for trying out Chrome OS is that I don't have a means to do so reliably without actually buying the hardware and you know if I end up not liking it then I just wasted $120 on something I could have you know I could have gone to the movies like five times with that or something you know I could have done something enjoyable with that instead I'm gonna you know sit around with this you know if I if I don't like it this aging dust it does no Chrome book on my desk going why did I by you I hate you you know my mistake staring me in the face every day like this waterproof Bluetooth speaker that cost me $20 and doesn't work anymore does what you get for buying something at the checkout come on it was an Amazon add-on I you know that's exactly the same thing there you go guys there's your Joe's an idiot we are your Joe's an idiot thing for the week holy crap I didn't think about it that way if I want to try Linux I can download 40 50 different kinds of Linux and if I want to try you know a Mac I can I mean granted I'd have to do some stuff to my computer you know get some something different there but I mean I can build a hackintosh and you know get Mac for free and try it without I not know it's piracy I'm sorry I don't condone that behavior but I can try it before I go and spend $3,000 on a MacBook but with chrome you know there's no way to try there's no really way to really immerse yourself to get into that kind of experience unless you buy the hardware as well because mean like crushy said you know the software just doesn't run that well outside of chromebook hardware and I think that's really disappointing I'd like to you know well I mean to be fair though the same goes for hackintosh you have to build them you have to make sure you have specific parts and I'm sure you could have a great working chromium OS experience too with the right hardware you know I'd be okay with that but you know I don't know what the hardware is I don't know where they've built the drivers I mean you can go find the hackintosh specs it's really easy and Intel I bla with Ajith with the NVIDIA GeForce GTX bla with you know and then you just have to figure out though the motherboard and the you know yeah just the motherboard at that point cuz it'll accept pretty much any RAM in hard drive so you know it's like you have to go shopping for one parts otherwise you know I mean my five-year-old laptop downstairs is hackintosh compatible so you know it's not I mean yeah you do have to do some special stuff but it's not that difficult to even accident' Tilly build or own a computer that's hackintosh compliant I guess is what I'm saying yeah all right well we'll go ahead and head over to feisty then I am sorry crushy can you reiterate your you can you say your ears so basically if you give Google advice and you got touched on this with Feist to an extent but if you give them advice on how they could better either change it or market it or what they could do differently to make it more remain to give it more mainstream appeal what would be eat the big things I hesitate to say these words but I'm going to they need to be a little bit more user friendly now certainly Google user friendly you know and I mean our podcast shuts off okay yes okay the whole marketing campaign of the Chromebook is it's extreme simplicity but just step it up to go beyond the browser so to speak in Chrome OS it gets complicated I mean Linux people you know in the days of old Linux people that you know people used to be scared of it because you always had to go to the command line and you know it's difficult you have to remember these weird codes and do these odd things and create your own drivers and I don't think that's true anymore most you know the bigger streams I keep saying Ubuntu because that's where I get stuck at but you know it works out of the box you don't have to deal with all the stuff unless you want to however with the Chrome OS I'm going into the terminal so to speak quite a bit I'm running crash commands just to be able to get through and not so much for day-to-day browsing I mean you can open up a a tab and go to Facebook or Google+ whatever it is for you but if you want to do anything else it it takes a bit of nerdy tweaking to get there and I think that needs to be eliminated it just needs to be a little bit more user friendly to do more stuff on the device and then from there I echo what you guys were talking about a nerdy tweaking yes sorry comment here from one of the guys echoing what you guys said you know having that access the the dual boot kind of stuff whether you take Chrome OS and dual boot it into your other computer or or have this dual boot into Microsoft OS for most people let me quickly again explain how the the Linux sort of speak dual booting word works here and it's not an actual dual boot because again Chrome OS is Linux base it has that same Linux kernel this kirtan program lets you you again it's just a basically boots the new OS into a window if you will it's a little bit more than that but you know you just ctrl alt forward on your keyboard and you're into that entirely different environment and then ctrl alt back and you're back to the Chrome OS environment kind of like not that great you know that's a great way to explain it yes a virtual machine chroot if anybody is in the note cares it's a chroot so to speak virtual machine so I mean it's not requiring you to shut down the Machine and bring it back up as a dual boot setup it just I mean it's there and if the Windows programs that people are accustomed to and Nolan love we're also available that easy I think this thing would be killer however it doesn't have it and I end up slamming the lid closed and walking away from it quite often mm-hmm what's the worst feeling to have to do something like that slamming the same lid down saying I'm done with you for today we're going out or in Joe's case like why are you here I hate you that was a Josie you were here I hate you and I it's just like either way if I see explain it's almost like he has like it's like having a fight with your girlfriend or something like a you know what I'm gonna go near the room and cool down I'm not talking to you anymore you get asleep on the couch Chromebook go for a go for a walk yeah it's time for bed Chrome I oh that's great um all right awesome the UH we have talked at length about Chrome OS and it looks like were pretty succinct in what we all thought about Chrome in general personally I think that the chromecast was a very well it was almost a game changer and for the for the for the Chrome ecosystem and go forward obviously we're talking about something very different with Chrome OS and chrome looks compared to the chromecast but you know that they're taking that form factor and trying to put it into something like the chrome bit I don't know if brushing you had any more you wanted to cover on and the topic or if we kind of covered it pretty adequately I mean yeah I think we covered most the big things I mean there's definitely more that could be said but I mean yeah I guess I feel like for me I think Google's if I had to give Google advice I would just say that keep doing what they're doing I mean like they're I they're slowly bringing like they're slowly bringing Chrome App support to Android and they're relying more and more on web-based code and I think the idea of someday and I think that's where Google is heading is that you'll be able to run the same app on your Windows machine your Mac your uh your at your iPhone your you know Android phone your Chrome OS device because it will all be ran through Chrome you know and that's what that's what Google is aiming for they want the cloud to all run through Chrome and it's there already laid the groundwork and I think there just need to keep doing what they've been doing and I actually I thought that Chrome OS was a stupid idea I'll a minute I'll be probably quite frank it wasn't that was stupid I just didn't see it would have enough appeal I always liked the idea of cloud computing I just I thought it was too early and was probably right it was too early but Google wasn't Google didn't care about the media they cared about the long game you know yeah and so I think they're just laying all the pieces and I think each year we're gonna see just a little bit more of that vision come forward and I think eventually more and more people will say yeah they are going somewhere with this and it's kind of cool you know and so a Google does it alone what's that going oh I just gonna say that that Google has enough resources that they can wait about until it gets to where it needs to be and I think that the competition will continue to shoot themselves in the foot in other ways you know I think Microsoft has a good CEO finally so that's helping them a little but a lot of damage was done with Windows 8 even though I personally and I know Joe personally had no major issue with Windows a a lot of people did and so Microsoft has been you know for the consumer side for the business side it still is great but for the consumer side it's lost a lot of faith from people and people hate change yep that's the problem well and even on Mac I mean Macs have seen a lot of growth but I think that girls starting this it doesn't seem like it's as as crazy as it was for a few years seems like it's starting to you know it's the same thing with their iPhones the people who buy Mac books are going to buy Mac books forever and I don't think it's growing more people anymore so I'm saying for a while I was going through this you know nexus of change you know where the people were just jumping aboard and switching over and I think I think it's slowing down a bit and so I think that Google just needs to play play their long game and keep it going and so yeah I think we did a great great job you know I Jonathan I think you had some things you want to say though no I just wanted to add on kind of what you were saying there is and speaking to the hardware side of it which I know isn't really Google's control but and then I think there needs to be more options you had mentioned you know having a really high-end machine where the pixel is you know fairly high end as far as Chromebook goes but let's just look at a price point right now you can get pretty much every Chromebook for less than 300 or the pixel for over a thousand where's the middle ground where's the 500 the $800 units amen I don't that's all that is yeah no mid-range it's either super high end or super low a hacker all right great well that should probably do it for this week's edition of the Friday debate podcast by Android authority we are of course talking about or we just talked about Chrome OS Chromebooks chrome bit chromecast who knows what would be next Chrome fridge we're talking about their implications on it now there was one aspect of this question that I did want to get into but I actually think I'm still pushing for great to approve that help approved this one day that we talk about security in terms of mobile and the whole idea of the you know the cloud and all your data is in the cloud we have had hacks in the past and stuff like that maybe that'll be an aspect for that particular show sometime in the future but security when it comes to security when it comes to mobile computing is something that I'm really kind of into because it's really interesting to me that someone's life could get ruined basically because of some data that got kind of shot up into the air and all of a sudden someone was able to pull it back down but any case chrome Chromebooks in terms of feisty being the only person who has it you know he was able to give us a lot of good insight on it we gave her opinions on the rest so as always make sure you listen to the Friday debate podcast and all the different podcast networks if you're on the YouTube version as per usual there's a card over on the corner so you can find our link to the Friday debate podcast post at Android or decom and find yourself some 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