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FDP 016: Android M and LG G4

2015-05-12
hello everybody and welcome to the fdp by android authority and her authorities podcast now called the fdp we do some explanation as to why we change the name but mainly it was because we knew you guys liked that hashtag we wanted to keep it as well but we also read our youtube com and so we will respond to some of those I just put it this way it is not what you think it is for those of you who have been commenting particular ones on our YouTube channel about what fdp stands for nonetheless we have a spirited conversation about that and get right into Android M the supposed release that's going to come out at Google i/o this year which is just around the corner and yours truly Joshua pagar will be heading over to that show to bring you all the best from that event I'm really excited about it but we also talked about what we want to see an Android M and even pontificate as to what M might stand for and we get a lot of really great suggestions from the crew we actually have a full 5 panel show this time around as new rev it was able to join us on this particular show and andrew grush because he has a kid who woke up in the beginning of the day because we did this early on a thursday if i remember correctly and he was able to duck out just a little bit early so we were still able to have a full panel for this episode episode number 16 where we also talked a little bit about the LG g4 which I had just put out the review for so I hope you guys all watched that joe hindy and jonathan fights to join us as well as our usual panel is so we all just talk about those things here I did want to get a couple of announcements out of the way we did finally get our soundcloud account up and running so make sure you head over to the description below if you're in the youtube description and also head over to the full post for the ftp at android authority calm so you can see and find the link to the soundcloud account for us so for those of you who've been wanting soundcloud you now got it after that we're coming up on a lot of different events in the next couple of weeks so we might have some special shows in store for you guys but nonetheless that should pretty much do it for this intro keep it tuned here and remember if you're on the YouTube channel you can always go to itunes to soundcloud now to stitcher or two pocket casts any of the podcast programs that are out there and you'll be able to listen to the fdp in that particular fashion one of the best ways of listening to the end authority podcast so without any further ado here is number 16 episode number 16 I should say of the fdp Android M and LG g4 hope you guys enjoy hey everybody welcome back to the son of a bitch podcast yes we changed it up and and we read our YouTube comments yes we do um okay I guess that's what we're gonna start off with because obviously we're not naming it that because of what it means in particular languages and on so yes we are the fdp now and I was actually told by one of our one of our bosses a good old Derek over there he's like I don't think we need to tell them that P stands for podcast I think it's kind of implied already just called you because if you look at our listing on Pocket cast and everywhere else I've changed it up ready it'll say Andrew Authority podcast but then the title of the podcast is ftp number whatever and then the type and then the actual sub sub title um so technically were the android authority podcast but we we just kind of like the the term fdp and we thought we would do like and we will put like a HTC of sorts and just be like oh it's the ftp what does it stand for do you guys have any like what does ftp stand for for you guys you don't want to know you don't want to go all the ridiculous horrible and typically vulgar things that i have associated with F and then especially with DP oh oh alright alright i made my one bad joke for the day you guys can talk now we I don't think we really thought of too much when we what we did it's just that I at least I noticed and I'm sure grush II did to that on social media cuz brushing your more on google+ and twitter right mmm yeah so i know some Twitter that hashtag fdp was really gaining traction everyone kind of like that you know its distinct what I mean who cares what it stands for her Yeah right and that's the whole reason why we said more P stands for podcasts preferred the only time I've ever really said that was last week's show which was did you guys listen to last week's show by the way uh the first like 20 minutes or so but I've had a insanely busy week so I haven't really yeah much most of it I think I cut out somewhere in the middle cuz yeah that dates and stuff but I love it when we go to events and I get to have people on like neuron was supposed to be a guest on the show back when we went to China together and then all of a sudden aravis here and he's with us and authority so doesn't even really well yeah yeah we were we were we were all just sort of like in that hotel lobby just sort of drinking up a bit and then um like I remember you like nudged me you're all like what about that podcast men and I was like um we're not really really drunk but yeah the I love it when we get guests for these events and obviously last week was the LG g4 launch I had a flow from green by donna esposito and michael fisher on that was a hell of a show we were I put the clips at the beginning of the Youtube version we were on a boat and we got off the rails so much more than I think any of us ever have like our usual panel here on the show but that was the only time I've ever really said P stands for podcast and then well we saw the YouTube comments it just got a little bit crazy uh but yeah we're we're back in our respective homes and studios it's time to talk of we had our poll and I'll let brushy sort of kind of talk about our poll and see it was like an overwhelming response right dude yeah basically like fifty eight percent of everyone wanted to talk about Android M so even though we know nothing about it but speculation is good of course well let's start with this let's keep it light for this beginning part and and just so you listeners know and viewers on the YouTube version we will talk about the LG g4 a little bit later nirav and I are the only ones who have LG g4 so I'll be able to do that and hopefully you guys have been able to see the review that I put out yesterday already and hope you guys but here's my first question keeping it kind of light I'll start with feisty what do you think Emma's gonna stand for all you had to start with that one hey I'm gonna go off the beaten track beaten path let's go with marmalade marmalade that's the first I've heard of that one Martin well you know it's not exactly a candy but it's sweet then uh it's unique so hey here's hoping I'm not putting any money on that but here's hoping yeah okay cool um how about Joe um I don't know what I really really really want it to be called Macarena Karina is that even is that a sweet no it's a dance move come on exactly virtual I know that you were alive in the 90s right no I do know that I'm ocarina was my jam when I was going on but I just don't know if that would that would that would stick it wouldn't it that's just that's a pipe dream that I have because then you know on stock versions of Android when you turn it on the boot screen can come on and you can hear her Macarena and then it would go to the home screen I think that would be not only awesome but hilarious and that band whoever did that song originally would get some royalties for the first time in like 15 years and then collectively we're gonna have so many broken phones across the world because I never restart my phone cuz I don't want to hear that brick in South your f about you man um I don't know okay on a serious note I think probably something like marshmallow but i would love android mcflurry awesome yes I love it and then when you boot up or when you got press the build number like God knows how many times it comes up with a picture of mcflurry how cool would that be now here is the question is it an M&M mcflurry or is it the obviously superior oreo mcflurry oh I was just about to say Oh better question if you take your Nexus device into McDonald's do you get a free mcflurry did I would betray you hit them off that may be a great promotion wouldn't it did you did you get a free KitKat when you have cat no but you got a nice easter egg when you opened up your kit kat on there wasn't happy a robot there remember that mmhmm yeah yeah those get sold around here I never got to see one of those in person that's what kind of cool like you open todavia no I well they miss an opportunity they should have been handing out like green tea KitKat so it's green but yeah that was that was a thing how about how about you aggressor what do you think Emma's gonna stand for um I don't know mackeral mackeral worst version of Android ever no I well I'd say marshmallow is probably the most likely but you know if they could go Eminem but that would sound kinda weird actor well I don't know they should keep up those uh those those company centric sponsorships you know I was thinking yeah I don't know I just doesn't roll off the tongue to me I guess I mean we gotta I have Eminem I agree marshmallow probably will be it but but really they who knows though I mean they don't always go for obvious one yeah exactly we thought wall key lime pie and then almost wanted became KitKat you know and then my lollipop was pretty obvious I think I really think this will be a milkshake to be on milkshake I can see that yeah I really think it's gonna be milkshake but but though the one that came to me and actually was funny with Joe saying Macarena made me think of this um I you know what like givin you no mountain view San Francisco all these like like yuppie hipster people up in San Francisco I think it'd be macaroon macaroon yeah those little kids will does a little want to be hamburger things like okay yep I don't want you talking about yeah I think you're even mince pie beatable just want a chew on the lawns at Google just be a big pile of chocolate brown I was gonna say cookie that's the words chocolate brown love it big ol chocolate brown in the lawn yeah we're holding a chocolate obviously total tangent by the way like I saw this on I saw this I don't know if anyone here watches at midnight on County Central but there's there's that um there's an emoji that looks like poop this total tangent I'm sorry guys but does that emoji that looks like poop and the thing is I found out that's not poop that's supposed to be ice cream who thought of that like who who said that was fine like is that the one that's got the face on it I'm like little smelly lines Camille yeah that's supposed to be ice cream somehow the most solid ice yeah really it's fine that looks like a steaming pile of it sounds like somebody just trying to save face oh yeah it's ice cream Yeah right it's jiff not give and then like oh my goodness okay so Android M speaking of poop now I'm just kidding I would totally eat Android shaped marshmallows just saying oh I thought that was going at Oh loyalists here Andrew 30 um agreed oh man imagine like a lucky charms with with androids in it hopefully alright so Android M now I just did a search right before this podcast just to see like you know what are the clothes do we have an Android or D about Android M anyway we have two one of them is Android M revealed on the schedule and then the next one Android M reportedly to be or supposedly going to be release at Google i/o and that's it that's the first time I've ever searched for something on android authority and there was an end to the page um given that um we don't we really don't know much about Android M which is a travesty because Google i/o is right around the corner and we're still kind of n okayed this was a this was one of the poll options but I suppose this still fits we're right around the corner from google i/o and if Android M is actually going to be announced to there we're still in the middle of Android L release cycle aren't we yeah well they did you finally got 5.1 on the Nexus 9 hey guys don't forget that this is exactly what happened last year also and they announced android l and Kit Kat only had ten percent of the market share like this is um typical behavior from the googles so yeah it's right the middle of the release cycle and eat this is I've complained about it like for weeks now so I'm not gonna go over it again but I mean it's the it's the yearly release I think they're trying to get back into it well you know that but typically there's been like a lesser version in the summer and then you know the big one later and so are they just shifting to once a year having release I don't know maybe really you can't really count 5.1 I mean yeah it's 5.1 but can you really count it as well you can I don't you can't make an announcement at i/o about 5.1 you know not necessarily yeah it's not well I mean it didn't bring him I mean even if they have waited for all the bug fixes in 5.1 it wouldn't have been special enough to like make a big announcement about you know yeah and so I mean it even like compared to like the jelly bean point you know point two point three either there's less difference you know and so uh I don't maybe maybe they're trying to move to a once a year yeah probably so and of course we don't know how long it'll be before they actually like I highly doubt they're releasing em you know this summer they're gonna probably do a developer preview who knows how long the wait i mean i would imagine not till you know not until the next nexus is at the end of the year mmm yeah and so that basically means it's been a year since you know the last update because like i said i don't really count 5.15 point one's not an update it's just fixing things that should have been there big one yeah alright and then like maybe a few additions to the auxiliary android platforms like like like where and then you know Android M is so supposedly supposed to have some Android auto functionality in there that will tap into your actual navigation system so you don't necessarily have to have like an Android auto like installation in your car speaking of Android auto in about two and a half to two and a half two and a half hours I'm finally getting a android auto um equipped Hyundai after that debacle from last time was like wait this car doesn't have Android auto like what's that that's always inside that is a great sign you know that right wells android auto what well the the guys who sent the car and who are sending it today or a third party so i wouldn't i give them the benefit of the doubt in that case and then are our contacts over at Hyundai were like sorry about that like we we have demos available but we're not going to be able to send them out and it only took them a month to bring me a car that I she had it so for the next ten days I'm going to be using this car like really getting to know it putting up videos and stuff but yeah Android M coming out at i/o one thing I have to comment on and of course I'm the only one I think in this group that's been to I oh right yes yeah okay correct yeah I love I oh but it's been shrinking like the first year that I one was two years ago to years ago and it had like there was like a huge store on the bottom floor of the Moscone Center it went on for three days last year it was three days but no store this year it's two days and it's like there's not i'm not excited about IO for the announcements anymore because the first time i went it was like oh here's google play music and that was amazing you could try it out right he'd like as they were announcing it everyone was installing it on their phones last year we had some Android wear stuff and and you know we had all those analysis I don't know what to expect for this year's i/o and if Android M is the only thing I'm actually not quite that excited about it to be honest I don't know I think they'll be some surprises you know hopefully uh and having an Android am I think it's gonna be interesting because I think they're gonna they've already kind of hinted if you look at the schedule uh yeah I'd say autos gonna be a big part of Android M and then just work place they have some workplace tough one thing yeah we have an article on it but it didn't say Android M one thing that probably is related to Android mo is that Google in their schedule has hinted about new voice actions that are coming mmm and I would imagine that coincides with em and basically they're going to be bringing the ability well here's the here's what they say in the schedule mobile hardware has adopted the touchscreen as the primary mode of input and with 1 billion active Android users there's no signs of the slowing down what if you could provide users with a new method of access to your apps with little to no development overhead in this talk we will discuss ways to give anyone access to their android device device through voice alone hmm so we may be seeing more and more apps that can be controlled to your voice like at a more granular you know level you know the deeper level basically well and so that could be cool you know and that would make sense for Android auto yeah I suppose so right and it would make sense for Android auto but but even then again and and did this this will segue me into some Android auto talk but I just wanted to ask speaking of voice Actions Narev do you use do you use voice actions on on your android phones for fairly often I used to um but I don't to be honest that I found I don't know why but i think it's just my approach axon gu doesn't really like trying to like the transcribe what I actually said racist is why you're saying I never said anything like that I just said it doesn't like us professor to be fair it has like five thousand different accents it needs to understand here I'm from London like proper Englishman so oops that's just bet that's a different dad come I say actually closer to racist London where I'm writing my english i can say that it's ok very whoops it's like that link running southern country stupid rednecks you're sure this gonna be testing sorry go ahead i'm sure there's gonna be comments right now based on exactly what I said about Englishman because it's always a topic that grains anyone who's not from London and people who are from London but yeah i use i think sometimes i use google now occasionally to search but an occasion used voice input but i've never really found a need for anything else yeah if i think back to my going back start off topic but going back a few years to when s voice first came out i think it was the s3 or maybe the s4 s3 for I used to I used to use it to open apps all the time because I couldn't be bothered to find them in an app drawer because it was far too much bloatware and it was just stuffed in some corner somewhere but I don't really I don't know I've never really found a need I'm not found out that voice functions are useful but I would love to be able to kind of just go off my watch like my ideal for something on Android M and voice actions would be from my android wear watch go ok Google on my phone launch what Sam as an example so I don't even need to pick up my phone and then from there I can do another thing ok Google new voice that new whatsapp chat with x y&z or use hangouts because it's google service or something like that that's the only way that voice can be really kind of like instead of having to physically touch your phone ideal if you obviously your friend and like touch them with Android auto be perfect if friends on your dashboard or something just being able to open an app start a new chat type of message and send it without having to touch your phone mm but not just with google apps but once developers add their support any apps mmm well the UH I think that's a glaring hole with with I guess I guess I guess what we were saying that was google now is you can't necessarily just say launch this and just assume that every app will open based on that command I think there's like a glaring hole there where if you were to install an app from the Play Store that isn't necessarily known or has like let's say less than 10,000 downloads you just can't say open like in my case like open open I gluco and that's like my that's my blood sugar meter app it won't open I'm sure of it because it's listed with a bunch of different names on the freaking Play Store like that's the consolidation i think is what is lacking in terms of voice actions it's a thing and the only way that Google can make them useful is to keep them very vague which is why I feisty you have you have a Chromebook it wasn't wasn't voice action a key part of the Chromebook experience is it really I thought it was because I remember I remember looking at Chromebooks at at actually at Google i/o and um it kept saying like you know if you were in chrome or in any which particular application it could say like okay at this point you can say Google ok Google and it would do it like like they said that chrome had the built-in voice actions and it was a key part of Chromebook I'm assuming you don't use voice actions on your Chromebook huh that is correct your right they are there I've disabled them we're making the case that there's one thing that Android em might be great for is something we'll never use which is which is my point like or could they go from here and we we had a very spirited rant from Joe a couple weeks ago about like the the infrastructure of Android and how that needs to be changed for obviously but I a dead cut you off there I see what it will already go say I was going to jump back in you know give my opinion on the Android side of things but you keep going come back to me well that that was what i was going to sort of segue into was like what what do you want to see in let's say android macaroon or android milkshake or or android Macarena yeah what would you like to see in and I could double back over to you feisty like do you have anything in mind that you would really want to see let's stick with the voice stuff for a moment here there is already a lot of voice activated stuff in android now i'm not sure if they're talking about increasing the functionality through google now or throughout the operating system I don't know what I he was a lot of operas ism tasker I mean if you've been following my Thursday posts everybody knows they say use tasker a lot I've got a button on my you know one of the home screens I tap it Tasker comes up I talked to Tasker through an Android voice input and then Tasker does a whole bunch of things for me I barely use google now but but i'm still using that voice so i guess it depends on how they're gonna implement this and you know if they're going to route everything through google now then I don't want to use the word monopoly and bottleneck but I see the fears on that otherwise enter it and sorry go on Ref now go on feisty cariño I was gonna say Android M in general I need to say Google stop it just stop let's look back a year two years ago when we looked at mobile operating systems the power of these devices was in the applications and now Android itself is doing everything and there's going to be some confusion on the word but it's it feels to me bloated it's doing way too much is trying to handle too many things it can't offer the same sort of options that a dedicated app might make sure it's great that the operating system could do it all and look after your entire phone but there's a million plus episode and many of them are you know being shut down or deprecated because android does the stuff now but it doesn't do it quite as well in a lot of cases so can you give us a specific example they're like I'm curious a flashlight applications that's a big one that people think talk about I mean that was big stuff for a lot of people and they're dead now if you've got lollipop installed it's right there in your quick settings um you can actually make the argument that it's less convenient there because like I i I've been using it on I actually went back and got a flashlight widget because it's actually fast for me to turn on my screen unlock the phone and tap the widget than it is for me to like unlock the phone reach all the way to the top drop the notification thing drop it a second time to get to the flashlight and then finally turn on the flashlight let you make my point exactly yeah that's exactly I was gonna say almost the exact same thing when it came around to my turn but ya know like the it go to stare two steps forward two steps backward you know that's what it feels like yeah the OS is doing it but there are apps out there that are now not going to get installed because yeah why it's there in the OS so I say this strip most the stuff out of it keep Android clean work with better integration look at like the exposed modules and easier support with them without root and I think that's the way that things should go is that what's coming I doubt it but I mean the permissions thing coming up if that becomes real where Google is going to let us choose to grant or deny permissions on a per-app basis / m / permission basis I think that's awesome but again that's something the root world has been doing for a while yeah it's just let's say okay feisty Oh so before I guys I was actually gonna pop it over to you arrived oh I'm Justin going back to your topic but you're what you mentioned about Google now that's pretty much what I was going to say I don't think I think Android M is gonna be like Lodi but where the less obviously everyone knows that Android is open source it the AOSP in it's the google services that kind of had the play store etc onto it I think that the likes of cyanogen and others and write their close relationship the fact they're getting a lot of funding because people don't want to rely on Google services actually has boo them a little bit worried so where Google is driving kind of any innovation Android it's now going to try and bottleneck it all through its own app to kind of force people to use it but going back I think probably grew if I see that actually there is a time when there's too much Google too much reliance on that because we all know that no matter what you do it's going to have your data on that and let's be frank it already has so much data about you anyway do you really want to start routing all your voice actions to it so essentially it knows everything you've done on your phone more than you may not know already kind of thing it's I think if it's too like having voice functionality that didn't rely on Google now would be brilliant but I personally agree with I see that we're going to see anything we see going forward that's a Google Ned innovation is going to be done through google now it won't be Android at the call because if it's Android up the call I spotted by OSP example then they're giving that from strategy to other people who aren't who may not necessarily install that Google suite of applications and that's obviously a problem for them because they don't get the day two and make shitload of money yeah it's yeah you well I I can't stop thinking about that point you made that you know there's so much of our data that's already in Google's camp you know like this there's so much it's already there and and for a company that's like so huge you're right there could be something as too much google and i think a lot of people can a lot of people have already voiced that opinion out you know it isn't it true though that Google's really been pulling the reins on Android recently I mean look at all of these we have now three flagship phones that have been released this year and nearly all of them have this kind of I don't know they feel like they're not putting too much of themselves into the phones as much as before you know like we used to complain about it with TouchWiz samsung over the last year or two and all that but I feel like every company now has like even LG was saying they have this really close relationship of google and it worked really closely with them and now most of the apps that are defaulted on the g4 are like chrome and drive and all that stuff so yeah google is kind of pulling the reins Grusha how about you man well how do you feel about a Android M what woody what do you want to see in this upcoming version oh and if that doesn't have millions of millions of bugs that make it worse that's why i believe is version that's why I'm leaving Joe for last because I know it we're in for a good one that's general probably the biggest thing but I'd like to see a little more movement between you know chrome and you know more merging between chrome and Android I think that could be interesting hmm you know I think that we're already moving in that direction so I'd like to see more android apps come to you know Chromebooks and I don't think they're ever gonna merge completely but I could see them coming closer together yeah uh you know the voice action thing I agree i probably wouldn't use it a lot but i could see i could be useful for when you're you know in the vehicle obviously yeah that was uh that was where i was going to go with that in a vehicle like so that that hyundai that i had almost a month ago at this point i obviously there was no android auto in there but its integration was already really good with my smartphone you just connected via bluetooth it auto connects every time you get into your car and the microphone is placed perfectly right above you so all voice actions are coming loud and cleared and everything like that the video i'm gonna make next week or one of the two at least is the case that maybe android auto as cool as it might be and as nice as it as it is to integrate everything from your smartphone to your car maybe it's a little unnecessary and because if we already have good navigation systems like Audi's navigation plus or BMWs or or Hyundai's blue link in that case then you know is it more is it more of a luxury rather than necessary and and Google really has to make the case that it's completely nest on the other hand having a car mount and putting her phone there and then using voice actions using your phone kind of works pretty well already that's what I've been noticing recently so if the voice Actions work great on the phone and you're in your car and it's able to pick up your voice and you know you just have to car mount right there so the screen is right in your face while you're driving I I'm all for it I do use google voice I do use google i use google voice but i do use google now voice actions fairly odd but never that i still think the whole ok Google now thing is dumb uh Google ok Google blah blah blah it's not even that hard to just like just hit that microphone icon right next to the widget you can change the hot word to like I know people who've changed it so you know okay blah to blah okay Jarvis I think is a popular one that people do a lot of course yeah I mean that was something somewhat popularized by her brother Roman if for a period in early 2014 I said hey douchebag and it hey douchebag search for stuff hey fdp I'm sorry I do all right so all of us let's grab our popcorn let's let's sit back Joe sure now man haha well okay like you know just joking around there um what uh well what do you what do you want to see an Android M um well a feisty had probably the best point out of everybody so far is that um android has always been a you know the strongest suit has been applications there's 1.3 or 1.4 million of them right now um you know a games and apps and tools and things that do all kinds of other things and um you know I think it would behoove Google to go back to you know promoting that a little more just you know examples exactly what feisty said but uh my the biggest thing that I hope they do eventually in any version of Android is to give the users more control of their devices without requiring root access and it's not just stuff like you know being able to change the battery icon or having root access or backing up your absence I hating it back up but it's other stuff too like something I've been complaining about a lot recently is Google location services you know I know what it is but I don't know why it's always running like it's been running since i rebooted my phone last night ten and a half hours facebook is another application that's really really really bad at this i turned off sync i turned off everything literally everything in the settings says off are not active but facebook has a process running on my phone right now that's used the mobile radio for 20 minutes and has sucked down nine percent of my battery life what the hell is Facebook doing and how come I can't find out that information I can tell you what it's doing tell me baby girl because I need to know um okay no this is not a scientific answer by any means but you guys ever noticed that Facebook does that that that weird thing where it tells you if one of your friends is nearby I think that's what you that's what it's constantly trying to do and it's okay eh it's creepy but be you're right having that location service on at all times it does drain the battery life a bit and it's oh no no it drains the battery life a whole ton I think with my screen off between Google Play services and Facebook it's forty five percent of my battery a lot of I think I mean at what a five percent of the drainage today since I unplug I've noticed I've noticed the same joking like on the last three weeks with the essays I think probably out of about 20 days in my top three facebook at the end of the day maybe 10 days out of 20 it's been there on the other days it's in the top five and I might open it once in that entire day but it's the like 43 there for days it with a biggest drain until I turned location off system-wide and that's the thing I and then it started being better or something I don't want to do that all the time like I don't want to have to walk around like micro aetna this is exactly what I'm talking about i don't want to have to walk around it and micromanage my connections if i turn location off in facebook the freaking app shouldn't have it and facebook should look at my device and go here spain whatever and I don't appreciate that like I have to like turn it off in the system then I have to turn it off in the application and and then at some point even if I turn both of those off it's still somehow like opening itself up like if I'm not using the application it shouldn't be used at all unless I tell it to that to sink in the background and you know that this is a problem that it's been getting progressively worse than Android is he like back in like you know gingerbread there were processes that were in the background but it wasn't like you know I I'm gonna look to sub just like i said i think i have six or seven google play services tasks open right now and i don't know what they're for like I don't even have that many apps that track my location so I don't know what it's doing I never know what it's doing and that that's what I you know if I had to ask Google you know pray to Google you know sit on Google's lap and ask for something for Christmas um it would be you know allow us to kind of Lassa win these things and stop them entirely because it's just it's getting ridiculous at this point and hey joe what's what's really going on is that i'm tracking you and i'm watching you from the camera I I'm your secret stalker to make sure you're not viewed at the fruit for whatever that yeah damn it chase it's really going on is I'm just I'm just following you around see what you doing right yeah I'm sorry that I'm putting so much straight on the battery though two processes are two processes and seven services seven services fur and that's just uh it's frustrating it's frustrating because it doesn't exist if google play or Google Play services weren't so you know a shrouded in mystery and I could see what's causing all of this drain I would take steps to fix it I would maybe start browsing facebook from its mobile page instead of having the application or you know petition facebook to put in settings so I could turn that crap off but right now like Google Play service is kind of like hides all of the bad stuff that other applications are doing and I really really want that to end like I don't think that should be a thing that exists anymore hmm you know on iOS I mean just on location alone on iOS you can see the little indicator in the navigation bar when when locations been activating then you can go to settings and tells you exactly which apps are using your location at that time I can't believe android doesn't have that because it will tell you like occasionally my location will be on and I've seemed a little indicator going oh look location set by GPS but I can't see at that moment exactly which app has asked it to check that location yet iOS does and I'm not trying to compare them but having used an iphone for the last couple of last few days just to do some testing on something I've noticed that actually it's a lot easier to find out there what's using the location and just turn the off switch yeah and then it stops exactly and I know that you look at the the last couple of years the last couple of releases you know they you have people saying like oh you have more you know control than ever before no you don't you have if anything who's telephone is that is that a landline landline still who has a damn that means I can't ask you to put it on vibrate yeah it's a it is it 1950s into your house Oh give him a break he's got a rental house at the moment and what if his one of his phones time travels yes nice T is it one of those those little funds that you can't have to you can't even press button you have to dial it around and right now the rotary of fun Terry well yeah did I bet the one I can't even make that sound uh oh and yeah if i sees over though he's got like a TARDIS right next door is on the side you like adding I'm gonna make this phone leave the room I'll be right back 20 50 HR ash in a window shatter everything out the window you hear ya you don't even run Android don't even write what I was alright sorry but um yeah where were you you know outside of the complaints you know what do I wanted I what I don't even know what I want an android I'm cuz like it's it feels like it's too soon to talk about it you know it's a thing so cuz we're so close to il at this point man like I'm my whole choice don't know we're saying really yeah I know it's not that the proximity to the event is the idea that they're not gonna you know I figured that they would you this is a huge like uh it's a huge change like the last time they did such a huge change it was going from ice cream sandwich and honeycomb to jelly bean and they took a couple of years to refine that and you know given how lollipop started out one would think they would want to refine that a little bit more before moving on to the next one so yeah I don't know just in my mind I didn't have it built up that we were going to get Android M at Google i/o this year so I agree with it it feels like that day right before you get a cold and you don't know if you have like a cold or the flu or if there's something that you ate or if it's just really hot outside and you like you know is it do I have a fever is just warm out here let's go see right now yeah yeah I do although I do have a cold I'm sorry yeah you know so you're like you like you know you don't exactly know what medicine take you like I don't know exactly what I'm gonna do I should I call off of work to just take them all combined um you'll be fine yeah job there that's my philosophy good job over there liver failure geez who needs why it feels kind of like that where it's like I don't know what I want because you know the stuff that I have now is just so incomplete that I kind of wanted to wait and see what a completed lollipop felt like I mean I think you have a legit point who of us was where any of us expecting em I was expecting point you know 5.2 yeah like a five boys lollipop or something you know yeah i was i was expecting it yeah before Android M I thought yeah it was gonna take at least a couple of years I agree and I think coming right you could be right that lollipop started off so badly what I do believe that it's the last half naughty yeah you know I saw this shirt off badly is that it was such a huge change I mean you guys remember I Oh last year I mean that blew everyone's freaking mine material design and Google you fittin android auto and more Android wearing like it was just like oh and I know an Android M this year what are they gonna do like how what could they possibly do that it was so big that it deserves a name change especially after all the ridiculous stuff that they announced last year that still just barely exists this year like Android wear is coming along nicely but I mean josh is getting a demo unit for Android auto that's out do out what circuit 2017 like Helen it is just half of the stuff that they announced last year isn't even out yet so they've created these other ecosystems that honestly are not ubiquitous and it just feels odd that they would OOP start and they would it just kind of feels odd that they would focus so hard on stuff that pretty much everyone in that room at Google i/o there they need to put their own foot in the door to have it you know and that's the part that kind of gets me is that Android auto is not really in every single car it won't be and even then most people are okay with their cars and they're not going to even touch android auto until like you said 2017 probably same thing with Android where you have to actually buy and buy into this particular ecosystem that's why it's odd you know like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go out on a limb and say that you know Android has reached its its peak or anything like that so what else could they do because obviously they have auto and where but those I shudder to think that that's even enough to warrant a big name change Android that that's how I feel about it and that's why I'm not too excited about I oh I don't really know what's gonna come you know to me it almost feels like they're pulling a Microsoft that you know lollipop had some reception issues just like you know windows 8 did so now they're just pulling a change so that way they can sweep it under the rug yeah yeah it's almost what it feels like to me yeah exactly that is like the perfect analogy for exactly how I feel it's like it almost seems like they're trying to just get away from lollipop as soon as humanly possible well that's basically with windows 10 I mean other than they bring back a start menu and stuff it's still I've been using the you know that the test version it's still basically windows 8 and I that feeling em will be the same thing it'll be basically the same thing as lollipop but they'll fix a few things that are complaint points like bugs and you know maybe things like the we will have a you know real silent mode again and you know stuff like that and then all of a sudden will be a big deal it'll be awesome you know cuz that's what's gonna happen with Windows 10 is it's they're gonna make it seem like it's a big deal because you know oh we jumped from eight to ten we've done a bunch and I think that's good what I feel like they're doing here with that it's like oh look how much we've accomplished it's like it's gonna be this good hugs in my you know cuz really you know not to get the whole Microsoft side of things but I feel like using Windows 10 I'm probably only one who's used that the test version but I have uh I have you know I ate mice grape tomato it doesn't feel that different than Windows say other than it has a start menu and so any different from windows 7 either oh yeah none of them do yeah they could all still be we could be like windows seven point five and be fine you know it's all basically feels the same and I feel like yeah just to me I mean maybe they'll do something big and we're just talking out of our asses and uh well they did never just awesome you know maybe em will be the most amazing thing ever and we'll all be like yeah we were totally off base but to me it just seems like there's gonna be blackberry meet windows and a bit of iOS and the generator android is dead battery that's the future happens I'm back to my blackberry OS for Android murdered yes yeah the murder mystery out of here first folks you could make a blockbuster movie out of that man like literally like watch like people get angry like just look outside just see like steam trails coming up out of the streets like they're doing what blackberry no well i'm speaking of i'm just gonna say this until it happens like I'm waiting for Google to buy blackberry and bring back the keyboard that's a yes that's all I want that's a given hipster I was actually kind of off topic but when your pointer what I really think should happen is I think blackberry should finally admit that they probably are listening to this and if they are hey I don't mean anything by this but clearly OS 10 really is a bit dead and it always has been before he was even conceived they should they could have easily just taken Android put a launch on it and made our stand yeah and probably with like one percent of the money why and use the rest of the money to make good phones and that Marketing market stuff yeah and you're not even just that it's just the the fact that you could even side load android apps onto a freakin a freakin blackberry bb10 you know and you know the framework is there yeah just they just you know sort of being so stubborn you know they could probably resurrect themselves a little at least a little bit if they just sort of embrace what whatever you want kind of assumes they will do one day you know um okay and far ready yes follow google right I know we're here like Google's doing too much and now we're like follow go back to whatever google says it's fine just installed google play services it'll make everything yep no it won't never you'll never make it better you googled making us install Google Play services is the technological equivalent of turning out the lights and telling someone to close their eyes and open their mouth and I just know it makes me so uncomfortable they took me a second to imagine that image that I was so regretful about but Josh you could just look at Joe's like Skype image and you've got the perfect example so uh Joe is a kirkham at McMaster Europe like Idol then oh good god no I don't think what he's doing is any better you know he's such a he's so over over the top with everything that you read the kirk master says you know I don't like it's helping the company at all um but speculation wise cuz you know I don't think I said about specula Tori what I think Android M is gonna have is a bunch of smaller stuff like akin to when kitkat got frickin cloud printing because that was a revolutionary feature it's gonna be a bunch of stuff like that like the screencasting and lollipop and you know a cloud printing and Kit Kat and you know those small little tiny things that get baked into the operating system that constitute a change but like not really a change that a lot of people are going to use I think that's what Android and realistically it's gonna be it's just it's going to be some small things here and there that you know are going to sound really impressive when they talk about it and then when it gets put into practice it'll be something that you know like people use for a little bit and screw it the old way was better and like like like cloud printing I mean that sounded really exciting like oh man we could just tell it to print from our phone it's going to print and then like to years later does anyone does anyone use cloud print I remember thinking that too yeah I remember thinking that too like it's like a big heavy that print things from my phone to see well how often do you print stuff like never I mean I have to at tax time I have to dust off my printer by the cable like I don't know where half the cannibals are ya cuz I don't use it except for tax season it's the only Tommy printer gets used cuz I keep all my records did is the year of our Lord 2015 there's no need for a printer anymore next time thanks time nice thing I managed well my tax without burning anything off I agree with brushy it needs in each printing but one that topic of power bringing I believe I have an account of the film Joe so I asked my my stuff to them and you know they you know so but sorry they're happy virtual and restored it happened we said it wrong okay how's your chance here on you call him a tosser damn yes you're a toaster get my name right my bad i think we went through this josh's expense last time I thought people don't really nice to you the right way I like in my mind the right way and tell you said it and now it's you know you have to listen to whatever josh says he's good haha he said sustainable suck and you just change your name that will solve the problem okay um I will to the next one I'll tell you guys what my new name is hey oh you it's gonna be fun to say but on the subject to cloud printing I bought a new HP printer it works out the box with iOS it doesn't work with Maya six like i used i printed one thing off my iphone that this iphone I've been like using for a few days and that's more than I printed in god knows what ever of Android the problem is that people can I going back to fragmentation and on a serious dropping all that rubbish but the whole problem is you can introduce things by cloud printing but what's the point if people like ok Google supports it but you need to get all the manufacturer printer manufacturers to support it without needing like the ideal is to do the way IRS is and it's just being able to print stuff without having to install apps installed drivers and all of that i can get this working with an S six but I've got to download HP zap I've got it installed a driver I think that actually hook up the printer to my computer turn on a few settings yet versus iOS I just pressed print airprint and all of a sudden is printed within about 30 seconds that's the whole problem you can introduce all sorts of features but given that like even lollipops on ten percent now and Android M will probably take a year to get ten five or ten percent or whatever what's the point because no one no money back hardware manufacturers actually ever going to support it and that's exactly you know that's a great point and that's exactly why I don't like it when people come up to me and be like well it doesn't matter if you don't have the latest version of Android because as long as you have the latest version of Google Play services you're up to date no you're not didn't like lollipop have something like 9,000 new api's that no one with Google Play services on 4.4 and back can even use like and that's exactly the same problem is even a kit kat what's kit kats a thing right now I didn't look at that I just saw that lollipop was at ten percent but I mean you know kick ass about 59 is it will never move nothing 16 I'm the last on one check yeah I'm looking at right sorry for the clicky clicky noises everybody kit kat is thirty nine point eight percent so not even half full of the people and everyone counting lollipop which obviously has these api is also not even half of the people currently using android I think my own what does this even add up to a hundred percent yoga yeah it does oh I'd love it is like I just doesn't seem like it did for a second but yet not even half of the people who rock at android phone right now can use cloud printing so what's the point of coming out with a printer for something that only half of a potential user base can use and then you have to deal with the fact that you know somebody running jellybean might buy the cloud printer like oh yeah cloud printer for Android and then they can't use it it's like well why not cuz you don't have Kit Kat and then they're like well uh well that's your fault obviously and it's like now is you dragging the printer companies into this and it's like no they don't want to do it and I understand why they don't want to do it and it's because Google Play services is a band-aid for a gunshot wound and it's not really a the kind of fix that Andrew it's the kind of fix android has but it's not the one that it needs now Batman oh man all right well we're coming up on the last like 10 10 or so minutes here I did want to spend a little bit of time talking about the g4 so the review came out yesterday and I do have a couple things that I want to say but the only other person on the on the cast right now that obviously has a g4 is an Arab so real quick I wanted to get your thoughts on how you feel about the LG g4 so far and yeah yeah just your thoughts so far hmm I you do you have a leather bag let me ask that no and I'm really really really disappointed about yeah because okay like our everyone thought Oh leather back it's gonna look at rochas and the public can't be got more stick than if they had just not bothered announcing it before but LG being LG they thought all let's make a big deal about a leatherback and yeah and then actually it's and really the blender back is gorgeous so in this turned out I can't admit that I wasn't a bit disappointed but I've got the titanium finish same here plastic yeah what is titanium finished plastic come on man like it's great Zoila ditch there are two things that should never ever be put together yeah titanium finished plastic I mean that just seems like a complete nut to waste but I've got to be honest I like it and I'm just going to probably spiel off and I have it it's not i'm not looking at your review and i say this josh but what I actually think is the design is nice the curve is ok it's I can see why they've done it and if it's just kind of a combination of like the one m8 1 and 9 and the G flex 2 but they've kind of just bought their version of the MA out so it's just slightly curved edge really nice the display yeah I like it um I can see why they made a big deal about like the DCI standard and all of that and it is I mean it is pretty it is better than the s6 when it comes to her just just when it comes to just be like real kind of real colors and stuff and it's really nice the camera is fantastic it's the one I mean I like the camera I think it's really good uh-huh i'm like i'm like ninety-eight percent there with you on the camera like you know speaking of DCI standard the thing is the thing is I don't know they like I've had a lot of times in the past with these reviews that I really thought that post processing makes or breaks this whole experience and oh is that Zack brushy heading out yeah she's got to go he's a yeah my son's waking up geez yes he is with child ways at the path the phrase I'm sorry yes I have a child and he's waking up so I'm gonna have to we're pretty much almost done anyway yeah no problem brother alright thanks for being on Russia give your son a fist bump press I heard how well it actually likes doing that too so I gotta alright cool Banerjee later bye um speak speaking of the camera on on here it's just there's still some post processing being done and I'm kind of that's it kind of it kind of astounds me that we haven't figured this out yet that you know you could just leave the data on the photo and you don't have to put like noise reduction or anything like that on there because it's been a standard that's been available for so long on DSLR cameras that you know these cameras just have their own ways of interpreting the color but for the most part when you get your JPEG it's pretty much what you got even if you did a raw photo like you get the data it's just sort of like put together in a nice way with the with their own post processing without too much noise reduction because you can actually go into the settings and turn off noise reduction I wish that we could do that with these phones and LG unfortunately still has a little bit going on other than that though I do think the camera is great because of those manual controls I have too much fun with those and I've already yeah I've already shot a lot of raw photos and I put them in Lightroom and I had a lot of fun with those also so it's possible to get some real high quality photos from here you just have to make sure you have an SD card in there which is great too like this is the only phone that has removable battery and SD card slot how does a lot of the flashing eyes removable battery for me as well is pretty good trick is I mean yes 6 battery just get it sucked ass but let me ask you a question do I would you like for me personally the camera is probably the best part as nice as that display is i think i prefer the slight oversaturation at the f6 display or the s6 edge display don't know why it's kind of it's very much a kind of an even balance between the display but the camera is quite up there the question is would you buy it just for the camera or would you buy something like an s6 edge or something else that has the camera but a little bit more as well because the G falls got the display got the camera but it does experience to software for me just isn't as refined and I can't believe I'm saying this it isn't as slick as touch with that which is six which is now kind of like the most is probably setting a benchmark for user interfaces and again I can't believe I ever said that this is somewhere a stock android fan is having a stroke right hahaha oh Jesus better they play with the Essex press polished what um I again I'm close to that point this is the thing that on the one hand it's a tough question to ask it's a tough question answer I should say because oh and to the point TouchWiz now is really good I'd like that's the thing like when you compared to this version of TouchWiz from the s6 and s6 edge i agree with you like like this this operating system still feels a little bloody stuff like that I measure I just thought of this right now but it's kind of true it's it's been in the back of my mind I measure operating systems in terms of their bloatware in terms of their snappiness and smoothness based upon how many areas in the operating system could be the place where translations get lost you know like where you get lost in translation and there are so many areas in the in the in the LG UX like for example that's smart bulletins and a number of settings inside of the actual settings menus that if this were a sloppily ported Korean phone that's where you could get like and there are a couple there are a couple parts here that have that like if you go in the settings menu and it says and see what it says real quick if you're in tab view you swipe over to sound and notifications and it has to scroll through that that little area like those areas are are there a lot less in this version of TouchWiz this new one which I give it so much credit for because it feels actually kind of Spartan it feels like they dialed it back and it actually worked on the lg unfortunately it doesn't have that type of feeling so I give I give TouchWiz a samsung i should say i give Samsung a little bit of the edge in terms of that but as much as I way the camera in my reviews I would be happy with either phone honestly and you know for me the thing is I think I mean I think I guess you're using the Korean version on ear it's not easing the same to be fair mind whenever I turn the screen on it still thinks it's still giving me the time update on what the time it is in Korea even though I've turned every setting off in the world and it still tells me oh look it's half past three in the morning in Korea because you know my family live in career and all sorts and ID I'm friends with everyone in Korea or something I really that important to me Bell sarcasm case anyway the phone is home so yeah basically I don't I personally think obviously Connor gotta take into context the fact that this isn't clearly a release candidate I mean my phone somewhere even says not for sale on it somewhere on this phone well no it's on the box at least it's a big sticker saying not for sale right over the default but for what given that I used to g3 that was kind of that was pre-release if you were or not kind of retail this is easy impressive and his comer look quite a long way since the g3 the problem is that as much as I like it and I really do and if i had the leather version i could probably tell you I'd be feeling completely different to the point where the leather would have just sealed me because the leather is that beautiful but this just doesn't the least of the kind of the titanium finished it doesn't feel as premium as it should do that there is a problem I heard that a couple times yeah and I remember marco from phoneDog and and dama sposito they have the same exact feeling that the brushed plastic of the g3 felt so much better I I wanted to ask feisty and Joe feisty we haven't heard from you in a bit i'm so sorry for that the have you seen the the g4 review or have you been following like the the releases of the g4 over the last couple days yes I have you not extensively but but enough to to know the basics um how do you feel about it it's tough up I like LG as a company and I like what I've done with phones in the past specifically but this ad the G who the G line if you will the g2 g3 specifically for me it didn't fit in my hand very well so nothing I've yet to pick up the g4 and I won't make any true judgments until I do so but I'm expecting that it's just gonna have that same kind of slip and slide feeling to it and it's certainly leather would help that out but you know their plastics to me just I keep dropping LG phones and I pretty much don't drop any other phones just I don't know why it doesn't quite fit in my hand and it's slippery just just doesn't work and I think for me is that I think the size of these phones I mean this is a g4 is 5.5 inch correct me if I'm wrong I've got a lot of tablets I've got seven eight nine ten 10.6 you know I've got all the sizes of tablets specifically 27 inch tablets will but I mean but 5.5 inch phone to me it's just it's too big I don't want anything more than just a five incher just because I've got the tablets already I mean that's another discussion obviously but but you know what I agree with you and I think that's the reason why I wouldn't run out and buy a g4 right away because I used this for the past week this g4 and then just last night I picked up my s6 edge and I was like oh man where has this been on my whole life like I because it just feels perfect you know and I I do think that the g2 probably was that sweet spot and it just had the the unique button layout and made it look distinctive but it was just the right size and LG is like no big screens big screens all day and there are title screens yeah but yeah exactly there are times when it's beautiful and it's so much fun to use and playing games on it watching YouTube Netflix Hulu all that stuff and then when I pick it up in the car while I'm driving trying to like like respond to something or look at what notification I have I just feel like I'm gonna die because it's like the hand gymnastics are just like like they're not too bad but it's not something you want to do in certain situations just on that though I think that they made the handset not miss probably I mean 5.5 inches is huge let's be honest it like first standard it it's kind of phablet versus phone kind of thing in in man in a man versus food style kind of thing but as much as I agree kind of get what you were saying feisty I actually think that size-wise this the g4 is an example of a 5.5 inch that is usable in one hand because you get the like you get other 5.5 inches friends are just way like deaf people have gone up we're gonna go big screen but you know what we're gonna throw loads of bezels on there and goes like the bigger devices we can okay so this is probably the only one that I could comfortably use in one hand despite the fact is 5.5 inches so I think LG deserves some credit for being able to kind of make the handset user friendly and kind of one hand friendly ish despite the fact is 5.5 inches because not many people can do that and no one really has apart from this good that's exciting to hear I can't wait to put one in hand down yeah I good I think I kind of agree there yeah it's that curve that curve is nice and subtle you know it's like it's very uh very motorola asked for them to put this type of curve on here for ergonomics rather than just for like the sake of having a curve you know um alright Joe how do you feel our resident HTC One m9 lover how do you how do you feel about the g four you know it was oh the thing that uh maybe the most curious is how like in it was obviously a big launch in it you know it got a bunch of coverage from you know people like us but I haven't seen like you know in on social media stuff I haven't seen the same kind of buzz about it that I've seen with the HTC One m9 in the the galaxy s six and it actually makes me curious because like the phone seems like a home run you know removable back external storage huge battery big screen you know distinctive style um I do I a small little bit of a criticism on your review there Josh I under your prose you put like feels less bloated and then under cons you put still feels bloated oh and I try to remember what language I was trying to use their like like I think I put the word almost in there though almost is less bloated because the reason why is because it feels so smooth and and this is something that LG Linux hasn't I felt like I understood what you meant you know he's like yeah there's still a bunch of bloatware there but it feels less bloated than it did last year it's just something we have brought up in the slack chat the other day and we were left having a laugh at you but I also wanted to clear something up on my review but I'll do that after you're done Joe but it seems like a really solid phone to me I can't imagine a unless you you know you're like feisty and you have you know little tiny hands I can't imagine a reason why this isn't you know I among the best maybe top to top three phones that are it's going to be released this year and the thing is a you know the g3 was the same way last year and the g2 is the same way to year before that you know exactly what point do we start like taking LG's launch events with the same kind of you know excitement that everybody has for the one m9 and you know the galaxy s6 events and it's annalise just it's i mean obviously not as we covered the hell out of it but you know i just like from like an audience perspective like i just don't see people being excited about it and I don't know why because it's so yeah a really good thing I think it's cuz LG announced pretty much at least fifty percent of the phone before it so others like Samsung HTC tease stuff and they do really nice teasers let's be honest I mean touching on your social media thing HTC probably has the best social media out of the big manufacturers because Samsung doesn't do a lot of it doesn't really do much LG does nothing but HTC is quite active with the whole one was it one life m9 life One m9 life southern I guess I never get with the hashtags but I know what you're talking about and if I mean they've got the elevate as well and they then they really kind of promote they've got people and fanboys to promote help promote it with LG I mean with Samsung everyone takes it Vickers mmm s5 aside you can be sure that the next Samsung device is pretty gonna have something called on it the s5 was just a whole lot of crap but and I used it for six months and I'm telling you that so I speak purely I like my experience the g4 I don't think they really did enough they announced chunks of it before and that was it and now they what they should have done is teased it and don't like subtle teasers I mean even before the s6 edge samsung had before mwc samsung had everyone talking about that teaser that teaser we all know which teaser on talking about the one with that was black with just the faint outline of the bezel of the sex appeal and it the sex appeal there you go right there and you can but so you're saying that the LG g4 is an unattractive phone is it the fat phone that the skinny phones take pictures next to to make themselves look even skinnier is that what is it so it's really not really nice phone you know but the i think i think what we're trying to get at here and i think it's a combination of yes this phone came out after the other big too but also like LG just doesn't have the marketing budget you know and they're probably the the most laid back when it comes to social media and marketing and whatnot HTC tries really hard i mean they have the freakin celebrities trying to market the hell out of it and then social media and then samsung like just one quick note that commercial i keep seeing on on TV where there's that guy doing that perspective unboxing of the s6 or the s6 edge why is his name Josh like I wonder if Samsung did it on purpose just to be honest but anyway I think you should send a matter of going a 100 right become using me I know two white guys when I want really good way better if his name was Josh v okay I'm Josh V right and then he starts porn and then he starts parkouring and in like what is going on here and then I just it's just funny and but anyway it does come down to marketing I don't think I don't think LG has that kind of power when it comes to marketing and this is a phone that if you look at it then you will realize it's a great phone it's probably the best alternative for a unique / feature-filled device out there that's why it is on par with the s6 and the s6 edge especially since those two phones don't have those two main features the removable battery and the expandable storage but the thing is you have to make your own effort to find it and LG is not going to shove it in your face that's their mistake I mean what they really should have done is hired a social media expert to plug the crap out of it on social media and I mean they've got the g full preview hashtag going on they're gonna give it to 4000 people around the world before it goes on sale and that's a unique effort and I mean I got talking to the head of marketing at LG UK I know the guy quite well when I was there at the launch and he was just what we can't do and I am just kind of ad-libbing off top my head of hohenberg word for word what he said but the gist of it was they can't use the same marketing methods as others because they don't have the money to put behind 0 which a I mean they I reckon they should have a bigger marketing budget than someone like HTC does Drogba care there are bigger company they really should if they don't then they've really got asked why but what I would hope to see from them is real kind of not not just our let's throw stuff out stick it throw stuff at a wall and see what sticks but a real deep understanding something like social media and how it best supplies to them how they can turn the g4 into like enter into the most sought-after phone on social media if it's just going on Instagram and instagramming the crap out of loads of places around the world with a g4 using the LG g4 hashtag that is all you need to do to get loads of people on Instagram loving the camera is take pictures of amazing things it's not that difficult I mean I've never been to Korea but I'm sure there's some interesting stuff in Korea and they've got people all around the world but the office is all around the world all you've got to do is have say 10 offices or 20 offices each posting one picture from their relevancy capsule on the g4 once a day one every two days and what you're going to see is G for pictures coming up and all of a sudden wow it's kind of like oh I didn't realize the camera was that good and that instantly is one of the selling points because the camera is one of the selling points of the g4 but instead it's just like oh well here's a great phone but you know what if you don't want it don't worry about them enough left over look at that if George it's like if you don't want to buy please don't worry about it it's just not a problem whereas honestly if I was them I'd be like we didn't know you come to see my phone I don't you bet you buying this damn thing yeah another guy that look at it be a man do we know about via markets at home versus abroad I mean we're talking about North America UK and stuff but do you think they're marketing a Korea and closer in there you know the Asian markets do you think maybe they're doing a little bit stronger oh I certainly do but but there's another fact that if you're going to talk about home marketing is that they have a much larger line of phones in Korea and much more unique phones in Korea than they do here in the West and in the West we pretty much know about this one the g flex and that's about it and then we see all these like articles and these these pictures of like these unique colorful super cartoony super asian phones out in Korea so of course they have a huge foothold out there but over here they just kind of don't put that much like their everyone's trying to go for this like westernized like look at this sleek phone executive leather all this stuff you know the g3 uh commercials that I saw for so for so long after the g3 launched you know those kinds of advertisements are fine they were just everywhere and maybe they could do that with this phone and maybe some people won't take notice with that but I don't know like it's not going to be the fun that everyone talks about and that is a shame so that's that I agree with you there in a half ah I think I think one just kind of kind of something off my point about LG the biggest problem they've got is and I think this is applies to a lot of companies its brand perception now something have done really well because the galaxy range has been like if blown up and people will forget about the really really really crap so that they used to produce and I mean the really crap ones I used to work in retail selling them and trust me when I said really crap they were really really cramped HTC has a brand perception but people love them the problem is and I know this because having against old people is having without the marketing to throw the product and all the benefits down somewhat and Ram it down someone's throat quite literally and physically you go to someone go oh look here's an amazing g LG g4 oh no I wanna no G oh here's a Santa yeah doesn't matter it could be a samsung 20-pound Samson that's been solved for 500 but oh it's a samsung galaxy oh it must be amazing because it's the brand awareness and possess and thats LG's biggest problem is changing that brand perception and that's what the rights of like HTC have had to do yeah exactly when they were going away from the really bad devices of the past and kind of the one range help do that and save the samsung because before the i think probably before the s2 they were know her yeah for sure um hashtag we don't suck there you go that's melodies as LG's new a brand slogan we don't suck we promise and it's it's a it'll be interesting to see what happens for the rest of you because you know like these are the world where were coming up on the half way point of the year usually marked off by Google i/o and yeah we have we have the we have pretty much three of the biggest releases already out and what it was whatever's gonna happen later in the year I mean obviously we have the note for but that's still Samsung I mean 05 and that's still samsung and sony and then we'll see what else comes out um but yeah I wanted to make a point real quick about the battery life section in my review people like donna esposito was was and i were talking about this knee was ranting for a little bit that this whole this whole thing about screen on time as a way of measuring battery life is just crazy i've been reading the reddit posts and the youtube comments and they're all pretty much giving me slack for saying that three hours of battery our zuv screen on time is bad for battery life how much battery life are you getting on there how do you feel about the battery i I'll be honest and I I've got to be completely Frank well this I've had this I've got this on Wednesday afternoon so I had this no more than day off two days Titus so let's let me let me look at this example today I've used the phone a little bit today and I'm just going to use this because the only only thing I've actually got to kind of kind of reference today I've used it all right at the last time I charge this was 27 hours ago and my screen on time is one hour and 12 minutes before I love that you put it that way because who out there and done this is what Dom told me is like this whole screen on time thing is kind of weird because you know if if your phone is able to make it from point A to at night point B without dying and without you being worried that you need an external battery or a plug then that should be what matters and depending on screen on time is not the problem of the phone it's a problem of what your lifestyle is like are you who are you on your are you on your phone for hours on end during the day that you leave five plus hours of screen on time when in reality if you're able to go through your normal day and get to the end of the day with let's say still twenty percent at the very least then that's actually pretty good like that that'll that'll serve your needs and for me three hours of screen on time for about 16 to 20 hours of total time in one day that's to me pretty good because those three hours are the three hours that I used the phone the rest of the time it was able to still remain so so does my thing let me kind of pick up on that because I dad she had this of rugged but he must was like a three hella conversation with someone the other day debating they're not on Twitter or anything but it was debating the same thing and my point of view on this and this is where I say that the galaxy s6 battery is fine and people are like oh you don't know what you're talking about your fellow rubbish in for the crap and all of that and I'm like well I do an arm talking about because I think back to how what two years ago when i was working retail the whole point is like we were kind of power users we sit there and power on our phone all day and then you get business users who do the same apart when there are meetings but average Joe who we've mix up maybe ninety percent and i don't mean joseph in degree i'm in just general Joe no no and that's the second week in a row so I would have said that to me you're certainly not every don't tell you that I don't care for their Joe was in the Army I don't think he was a general though nope general Joe you know we go general don't you and but then gonna go on what does what does Joe average Joe blocks do on their phone and the point is you get up in the morning say this is my case of this is what i would say that 75% people do it but the timings might be wrong you get up and say six thirty in the morning and if you work in you've got to spend an hour traveling to work so in the morning you're not you might spend half an hour on your boat checking your updates whatever then you're on the train maybe spending half an hour on the train listening to music watching a film reading a book doing whatever you get to work and that's it and I'm sorry if you're sitting at work and you spend five hours and or you need three hours screen on time between say nine and six when you're at work your boss should fall because let's be frank you're clearly not doing anybody work yeah then the cycle repeats itself so when you get to work you maybe had an hour hour and a half usage you then at lunch might use it for another half an hour because if you spend the whole hour lunch break on your phone you clearly haven't eaten anything you're probably going to waste away and collapse by the end of the day or at least if you're me because I need my lunch and stuff then you get the end of the day and you're like right I'm going to come home etc or you go out the point is joke Josh you're right three hours three and a half hours screen on time if you can achieve that off say 8i calculate here 630 in the morning till if you wake up at six thirty morning every day chances are you're in bed and sleeping by eleven-thirty midnight so I count that as a teen 292 between 1820 hours after each use case and this is what people say when they say can last a whole day manufacturers don't think midnight to midnight because if you're up midnight to midnight you'll be like me on the podcast two weeks going absolutely Junction is it and on a side topic can be tangent someone else be what I said in the podcast you can remember as I just make up and then I got proven wrong but the whole point is 18 to 20 hours if a phone last you from 18 to 20 hours usage with say three to four hours screen on time that's it that's what the phone that's what a smart phone is designed to do for average consumers now if you're a power user who spend their life and your job is on social media and all you do is do social media off your phone hey get on your laptop because I guarantee will be a lot easier and be then clearly it's not going to last you 18 hours because if you can get 18 hours screen on time I want to know what phone you use it's probably got like six day battery life yes and you're probably using something like a 51-46 like an old nokia or something and using mobile web or something but that's the whole point you kind of get the nail on that if you can take three to four-hour screen on time of 18 to 20 hours usage you are this is this is what a smartphone designed to do not spend 10 hours screen on time because what's the point you're kind of picking at straws to find a fault and if you're doing that then you're very sad yeah on the on the Samsung review I said that a guy close to three hours screen on time but that was almost like a 12-hour day like if i woke up at eleven and slept at eleven then that was what my usage would so that's when I said it was pretty average that's pretty average battery life this this g4 on the other hand gets three hours but I had like 16 hours worth of worth of a day and I thought that was pretty great not good back for you or for me yeah so pretty suit me perfectly in Miami I did feisty and Joe do you guys I was set Hindi I hide feisty and Joe do you guys do you guys agree like like how do you measure your battery your life in that case um you can call me handy yeah it's okay I don't mind um I don't know why you're like oh those called you can be like well cuz i hear they like it it's my frickin name oh you're like the only one who I don't really you're almost the only one who I don't like named VLS you know like like name via your last name or anything cuz we got feisty grouchy and your name already ends with y so now I'm realizing how come I don't do that hey yeah hindi Hindi II over there here we go you Fergie dude they always Dorsey you used to call me that actually vertical mirror gburg it's like a mixture between like Fergie and the verge so I don't know how I'd feel about that haha but yeah so okay yeah go ahead uh and then I know we're going a little long with the show but I wanted to make sure we got this point I am so sorry um battery life like I think that there's a huge disconnect between what people remember about cell phone battery life and what battery life is today because like back in the day you're like oh yeah my cell phone you know lasted for a week between charges like what did you do on it for that whole week you made a few phone calls you said a few text messages but what did you do you didn't do anything so I challenge anybody to do that if they don't think that their phone battery is any good turn off mobile data entirely turn off all sinking to all services period and do absolutely nothing but make phone calls and send text messages on your phone and tell me how long the battery lasts because I I've been doing that you know for a while now with my nexus 5 because I don't you know do anything on it really so if I turn off mobile data and turn off all the sinking the nexus 5 can sit there and do nothing for six or seven days before it runs out of battery the people need to realize like cell phone usage or smartphone usage is not like cell phone usage it is more like computer usage where you're always online readers you know doing stuff playing games all of that stuff you know not only takes a battery life when it's dragging data down from you know the towers but it's also using cpu especially with gaming so people are like well I want six hours of screen on time so i can play clash of clans for six straight hours what like you know that's that that's not possible with today's technology you're never gonna get something like that because that's not how you know that's not how cell phones are supposed to be used but that's how we try to use them and then we turn around and say well the battery life really sucks because I'm using it wrong it'd be like if somebody like took their car and started driving in the grass and you didn't complain that the shocks sucked because it was a bouncy ride like you know like and then like in the said that you can sit in the past you're looking at I'm like you're doing it wrong and that's the way that it really is like people are doing you guys pretty much if hit the nail on the head they are do the perception of cell phone battery life today is wrong and it's one hundred percent wrong because you know if you used it to just make the phone calls and just in the 10 messages then your phone is going to last exactly as long as your old nokia did just on top of those two things you also surf three different social media sites and play candy crush or clash of clans or some other game that takes up a bunch of stuff then you have the weather data syncing on top of that and if you didn't disable location services then pretty much every app I just mentioned wants to know where you are every 30 minutes all day long and then on top of all of that stuff you have the the under apps the apps that you have but you don't really use that often but still turn on every now and again like um like I have amazon mp3 on this phone i don't know why i think it was just some bloatware but it took up one percent of my battery today I don't know why I don't have never opened it I don't know why it opened but then you know you have you know those other apps that are on there that are going to run and have processes in the background like SwiftKey runs all day long you guys know that swiftkey never closed yeah it runs in a processing I know that and it's it's it's frustrating it's been in there was one point when I was a comma more what I was doing but I spent a lot of the day typing and I realized by the end of the day screen was number one swifty was number two yeah it you're like say what how did that take ten percent of my battery are you yeah and once in a separate process and that's the thing that people don't really think about very often is that not only are using your screen and you know your speakers and you know your mobile data and phone calls and text messages but you've also got like two or three dozen processes that are always running in the background they're always pinging your location and dragging more data down and that's you know that's really the difference between the old Nokia and today's smartphone is that extra stuff that you have to do so to me you know if I can go from waking up to going to bed regardless of the screen on time regardless of what I did that day if I can wake up use my phone all you know and then go to bed and my phone hasn't died that's a good battery life day for me thank you i'm i'm probably say that as long as I'm as long as it lasts for Austin out the house cuz i do use my phone quadband i'm willing to admit that if i can leave my house in the morning and when i used to work for a living and yeah and you know more than i do now and then having to actually go to an office and all of that and then I get home and it's still got college I'm a happy man yeah and I think you're kind of the point is that everyone's perception of battery life will be different for me battery life is that for some people battery life is getting from midnight to midnight and they're going to complain because no smartphone in the world will ever do that with your monthly use their phone p you kind of Ju so invite you don't realize that actually you've got shadow to stop running that you have no idea about yeah for sure how about how about you feisty we'll go ahead and end on this on this on the snow here all right you know I thought I had a unique look at devices here you know pretty much in my world if the device isn't in my hand and it's not full then it's on a charger you know with if it's bedside table the desk you know the living room in pretty much every room in my house I've got enough USB cables and chargers set up that I can charge anything anywhere obviously that's not available for everybody if you work on the road or what not you you don't have power outlets but but if you're an office worker there is no excuse not to plug in cables are cheap i go to monoprice they're two bucks get a dozen of them you know so all of my devices I pretty much keep them fully charged all the time I'll unplug them I use them you know you burn a battery a little bit you plug it back in it's almost rare for me to go a full day without charging like like you know your your daily driver phone for example so you know sit in the car it goes in the dock it's charging is this bad for long-term battery life sure but you're still going to get a couple years of the device and but you know are you still gonna have it in two years anyway so you're gonna upgrade to the next phone anyways so that's kind of it for me it is it is really yes I'd like to test the devices and see what kind of battery life they get and you know on screen is obviously important because that's when you're using it we find a charger just just have chargers around they're cheap and it's only a laptop dude you use it like a laptop yeah and take it off the charger wins need to put right the hell back on there when you're done with that's pretty cool i never thought of using it like that and it's important to find those apps that are you know rogue apps that truly are eating battery you don't need that it's extra stress on your machine that isn't necessary but for the most part I do not subscribe to locking the Machine down to save juice I won't you know give me full power just let's do this yeah and yeah so this is sort of in on that note just a pair of ray is kind of what Dom was saying like to anyone out there who's asking like how do I get better battery life on this phone like kind of liquid Dom said he was like go outside like but the way that I was going to say was like if you if you need four and a half hours screen on time for your smartphone you should probably talk to your girlfriend more like you should probably just probably talking to your significant other a little bit more don't have that phone on during dinner don't don't don't like like I still get really I get really antsy when I like I when I when I sort of step outside of myself and realize that my girlfriend and I are at like a restaurant and we're both on our phones and I'm like wait a minute buddy it doesn't happen often at all but like that's why I'm thinking in my head is like if you need that much screen on time and you need that phone to really lasts for that long you probably need to stop using it as that much you know um but yeah I just want to make sure you get that point out there because I saw a lot of comments about it and a few people were like oh but but if you like a year ago we two years ago we had 4.5 hours of screen on time I'm like why show me show me that phone did that no they didn't and the thing is is what happens is people i get like root access and then they turn everything off and then their phone does spectacularly because i know when you fresh install a rom those services haven't opened up yet you know like that first few days your phone is still kind of setting itself up underneath and it's not doing anything and then you're like oh yeah i forgot to sign into twitter now Twitter process is running 24 7 oh i forgot to sign into google plus now Google Plus running 24 7 and if you're dumb enough to enable the UM the auto upload of photos and videos over mobile yeah first of all if you're that dumb like I'm sorry I don't mean any offense by this but you should probably look at yourself in the mirror slap yourself across the face and say bad person as a bad person auto I take offense to this Joe is the mind set up I have videos off videos over Wi-Fi only but honestly I think it's just go I think it's super useful as a thing but I think our argument here is that if you're complaining about battery life you gotta look at why you know and that's how it's enough it's really important to figure out exactly what your device is doing that's something that most people don't do and that's why I don't really engage too much in battery life conversations like i'll post mine every now and again but i know exactly what's eating my battery and why um I can't explain it but I know I know that Facebook runs a process that you know opens up my mobile radio for 25 minutes a day and stays awake for you know for hours at a time I don't know why it does it but I know that it does it and that's I know where my battery life is going so that God forbid if anyone drives by your house their phone will go Joe was nearby I think that's setting disabled on the website like I don't even oh got it yeah I don't know it's frustrating but that is a topic for a different podcast I think for sure um but yeah well we'll see where our topic goes for next week brushy just want to give one quick shout out to him off he's having a good time with the Sun thank you for being on the show groceries still and and you have to duck out a little bit early but he still was able to put our poll out and get us a great topic for today thank you guys very much Joe john and revé for for being on it was a nice and spirited podcast we talked about Android and the speculation behind it but I wanted to make sure we talked about the g4 so that was the fdp for this week make sure you stay tuned to android authority for all of the best coverage just put out that LG g4 review so make sure you check that out check out all of the content from our colleagues everyone here on the podcast make some great stuff not only for the YouTube channel but of course for Andrew thority calm and Joe's app videos among the best on YouTube hands down that's why he's our appt guy and yeah keep listening to the ftp we'll have you there next week we don't know who's going to be on but if we have this particular panel on that'd be perfect I like this early recording schedule honest and I'm sure no rap is very 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the time she fell asleep it was about half eight in the morning and I was up again till enough hours later as if I'd had an egg asleep it was breathe oh nice it's like a it's like a long night of drinking you wake up early for some reason and then oh it's a friday night man women are drinking over to sleep you're like I feel like crap so bad I have to wake up and deal with this alright cool well again thank you guys very much and thank God we still have like the whole day ahead of us that's what I that's what I love about this this timing right now but in any case keep listening to the ftp all over social on that social all over the different podcast networks on the the soundcloud is actually going to open up i'll have a link for it in the post in andhra thorny calm this episode and our first episode are going to be uploaded to their i'm going to keep doing that in the cycle for now and we have stitcher podcast itunes and then of course the youtube side of things i I want to try to put 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