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hello everybody and welcome to the fdp by android authority discussing topics in android every single week i am of course your host for the ftp Joshua Vergara what's going on everybody and this week we had another live episode a very fun one with a couple of special guests we were able to get Darcy back on because Darcy and I were here in China in specific Beijing inch and Zen with oppa for the launch of their brand new are 7 and r 7 plus I hope you guys enjoyed those videos already taking a look at the phone for the first time it's a pretty nice phone and we're looking forward to our full reviews of them in the coming weeks but we were able to get together at the end of the day at a hotel bar and be able to talk about really just how what we thought about the event the factory toward that we actually got with oboe in that video is coming very soon as well and our thoughts on the phone itself we were joined by jaime rivera of pocket now and also james pick'em from pick'em i hope i'm saying that regimen I'm sorry James from tech radar and we did have a couple of other people basically watching our podcast so we had an audience for the first time on the fdp and you're gonna hear who they were at the end of the podcast but the four of us were able to talk for quite a while and we even were able to have a couple of drinks around and you'll hear it at the end we had a toast in ordering our outro to this particular episode I'm actually standing in the hong kong airport right now hong kong international hkg and i'm on my way back home to Los Angeles so this week we're actually getting a double feature of the ftp you're getting last week's episode as well which is our ask us anything episode so I hope you guys enjoy that as well and the reason why I had to do a double feature this week is because last week when I was finishing up the podcast I was actually in the air and didn't have any any chances to upload the podcast but without any further ado we have this episode of the fdp the Oppo r7 and r 7 + not to mention also our factory tour and office visits with elbow hope you guys enjoy yeah I know we've been talking about the phone and all the stuff that's going on over the past couple days but I'm curious woods hear what everyone was talking about what everyone felt about the factories I'm shocked shocked I'm shocked well this is my first factory experience like ever yeah it is I it's something that I've always wanted to do I guess from the photos I've seen from Parks con and all these other factories I was expecting something more rudimentary something more basic I mean I didn't think that opal was this big or at least this fancy I mean they don't outsource anything they do everything themselves um they I guess our biggest problem is that we're not their target probably you are in Singapore but then the rest of us in the United States and in Latin America we don't really see opal products there but it does seem that they do understand their market that they that they are focused well on their market and they are catering as well as they can and you know for me it's interesting nowadays most companies just focus on making money and making money is outsourcing everything sharing the responsibility not having all these assets and in order to free to drop your bottom line not pay so many taxes and listen this and that and here's a company that's doing everything backwards in a more intimate way with employees with the production cycle with commitments and I've always I've known very few companies that do this but the companies that do are the ones that have grown substantially over the years like I work for one UPS UPS is one of those companies where they do everything they don't know outsource anything and there this is a company that's survived for 110 years so I do feel that for a company that's this young ten years yeah and for them to have a facility that looks this good for them to have all the processes and all the test procedures that they have now at such infancy is for me was shocking I was like I did expect the season so good when we got in like a whole day late because well this place was flooded oh yeah but I know dad but the thing is obviously there was a very limited amount of time but and obviously when it comes to stuff like this they're only gonna show us like a snapshot of what the entire operation is you can't help but just think of the scope yeah that was one floor yeah we saw like maybe like eight hundred to a thousand people and there's 20,000 people oh yeah oh my god it's crazy the testing procedures and everything I mean just speaking to what i was saying though you know feat shock know when we attended Huawei's meeting to her they wouldn't even let us photograph or videotape anything yeah this is this is incredibly gracious sir yeah it so her like so transparent it was kind of shocking and they made it very clear that nothing that was shown to us was proprietary by any means but I mean we were like up front center with you know the bear materials that they use you know every single step of the way like they actually manufacturing every single element and going through all that quality testing I mean how many companies use an odm right they just ECT HTC does it's extremely common for companies to use ODMs to share responsibilities and to not be part of the whole process you know I mean even clothing companies I mean Tommy Hilfiger whatever brand you can think of Gucci Prada and tongue they all they do is they hire they look for an odm they show them a couple of samples and they're like oh I'll buy this I'll buy this all by this but it's not really their creative process it's not really their manufacturing process and I I really commend companies that are willing to go the extra mile yeah it makes end of the day right you're not going to turn the OPA phone over and see like designed in California you know but what are they a whole but you know it's it's really easy for a brand to be diluted in a market like this one given how much competition there is and that's something and the last thing you could say about an opal product is that it's cheap it never feels cheap no I mean we're looking at like basically a super mid-range phone as foreign box yeah and it packs a wallop in hand I mean it feels the r7 initially I didn't like you know the bezels I feel like it looks like a poem from 2013 well because we have them all in our pockets on all right yeah yeah look at it yeah we could draw our inspiration right now that's a one in the meeting with the design guess I guess my my perspective on the r7 is because i use the r5 and i really like the r5 i was like ok they took a step back i hate but it's it's it's some nights I this its perspective you know whenever you see something big you it's like if the iphone got smaller on the next generation you know your immediate perspective will not be positive it'll be negative so it's just that it's the fact that they reduce the size of it if they would have kept the same five point two inches they if they would have figured out how to keep it ask them and just nothing's it solutely 6.8 at no six month for six I can't remember exactly yeah we should know i know i'm pretty sure it's been a long few days it really has and I know few is not even the word just described me here for like two day yeah no time at all really 24-hour Hall to get here well I mean I may have the worst of it no comment you saying with this mouse or something yeah you can look back on it like this are our resident bread for today just chillin on the side and actually he says I don't know if I'm going to put this in the beginning or at the end of the podcast with us talking about our age this is a youngest one right yeah 22 22 I'm usually the youngest wipes they can get a whole naughty 25 25 yeah yeah I know 20 fighting a quarter life quarter life crisis but shut up what i would give me imagine being the phone you know if you're one year old do you feel really old oh yeah you're like old news nobody wants to touch you that should be a new term article years that's my goodness like told me like a channel is the only Road that would not even see the only phone that would be the exception is the LG g2 people are still going I'll ratio that for long yeah I love that you said that because now Nicole is going again yeah she was planning on the two of you talking about the g2 on the date I know but you know one of the best ones ever made in my opinion first with OAS 1080 battled killer battery life and now you can for like hundred eighty bucks out you and I love the feel that phone I I don't know it was just something about the materials of the felon even if a pod blasting I don't know what it was but it just felt really good I felt substantial everyone was really like weirded out by that back but just nothing yeah but actually get the hammer man taking quick quick oh yeah here in your pocket likes throw their money and you don't even need to just double tap to wake the front of the functions to love it because I'll go g-packs to it vote it it's just that that about yeah puppet show and the following raucous was that and plus the whole idea that like monkeys and that the g2 and the g3 before the g4 like is anyone else sick of having to don't like the double tap to on the volume down button to open up the camera and the double tap yeah you can do that but so not reliable holding it down like in the g2 g3 so much better yeah honest girl I think what's wrong with that is what is it about you gonna be able so tell us so you don't think that's that's truly the case of any way you know back on topic here like you we didn't hear from you James about how you felt about the factory you were right next to me text napping away yeah you're taller than me you swooped me on 18 feet 18 feet I just try to take a bridge of years and I could just see his hand above me like oh that's a disguise yeah early convenient right come yeah it was / /strong I they've done as well when again those I was impressed against got to see so much and then we got to off so much well it really didn't fit me with less less it's just song yeah we were rushing it a little bit yeah I don't think I think we rushed for time more than anything the brother being for sure but yeah I was I was very impressed by the amount of sleep I care what do we do yesterday Milo's before the launch what didn't be awesome it's just a shirt he was a champ and we what we looked out that was amazing we actually worked out with private with high made with Armand yeah alpha male Hercules open oh boy we've compressed so much in such a short period of time it feels like it's been like a week here's nice it was still conscious have you done sleep I'm surprised I'm selling like you know John was telling me just about like I was asking you know cuz i was looking at the faces the workers you know and just there's so many of them and they were looking at us kind of like where you know we always VIP caps on everything but i was asking you know tell me about like the workers like are they happy like are they were compensated and you know he went on to tell me that do dave from where they come from you know they receive extremely good conversation and they are allowed to encourage to bring their families out accommodations provided you know education facilitated health care provided and you know they really want to have like really happy workers and when you have companies that just produce a creative idea autocad III design and they outsource to an odm like they feel like the soul is caught yeah there's the soul is on transfer but with company like oppo you know it's kind of like UPS is it completely or mcdonalds even if you entered a vending company everything is controlled from the top to the bottom and I don't know for me like all the phones have an extremely nice styling I don't know there's like the certain gymnast or flop yeah yeah even just holding this are seven in my hand just like this might be one of the best feeling phones I don't know what it is like what whereas curves are like the in thing and everything you know just just a nice flat device sometimes you just don't really do it and even then I'll both trying to put herbs in here 2.5 team quietly hard like I use it i'm still not sure about that just 2.5 d back because you just said that yeah what do you think about the price point i think it's very competitive really honestly i think it is but when considering considering that the quality of the design material you know because we have what's the other alternative the two hundred fifty dollar idol three artists and we have the same witnesses yeah and they have the sympathy idol three is not in this market is not not particularly and adil face plastic it's plastic it does and doesn't but it has the same specs IPS exam ember this is a nice old self camera we have to prove RGBW that one is in IMX i think it's a prevent certain 15 yeah it's like the really low sodium low mid yeah so at most yeah i mean looking at it in a scope I mean you're obviously paying for less things in the lesser idol 3 but with that in mind you know pain paying for this kind of premium call yeah I think it takes it makes sense you know and the plus + and the plus which I got my I got my question in at our dinner so I was happy about that I really wanted to hear what they were going to say about like the our sudden plus looking like a camisa like I really wanted to hear what responsible and you know what hurt the answer was correct in our did you justice we're just trying to provide what our users and if it turns out that the design is actually kind of falling in line with what is already available then okay it makes sense right now if you had to pick like if they could only send you one for review which one would you ask for I would say the r7 plus because I focus on the camera so much yeah and it is Sir it is the up though it is the better camera objectively that's borne off so I am I'm kind of confused I thought that the ISO self-censor the samsung isocell sensor was superior to this sony IMX well of course that's going to be the claim but it's the construction in the sensor and I'm still need the design is very controversial talk exactly the possible the sign is that idea was still you know kind of debatable whether or not it was subjectively better than these other sensors I mean okay there's two things need to be talked about first is samsung doesn't actually have any public disclosure or the fact that they make the thirty- size or so on the product page sure she's a stop talking about to avoid completely cell and the second thing that's connected is that the galaxy s6 which I think we all agree arguably has the best camera any Android from the world but that's sick ons except they alternate between the ISO cell and the mx2 40 and according to that as I read some sony financial transcripts they ran out of imax to foist answers as they sold so many Asian partners instead of Korean Carter's over the last six months and that's why Samsung is a source of but nobody complained because the quality is so stellar them both well if we're talking about the s5 you know just putting this example out there the s5 is still a great camera and it's proved it's all truth it pull out the Apple you ring up the war I saw something up say the s5 my mom just went on a trip to Scotland Ireland and the UK didn't bring a camera with her just brought her s5 and a selfie stick mama like that came back those are some of the best photos I've seen and after I taught her like rule of thirds oh yeah but she she she was able to come back with a lot of great photos that she didn't who needs a real camera are you starting to become that way i think these are the times when you don't yeah simply too absolutely and but okay going back to the topic of the r7 in our seven plus or any of you disappointed with the fact that there are bezels on this display of the r7 plus on the r7 not so much but on the r7 plus am what I feel the other way around they are silent is too aggressive in his bezel in arson plus when I'm I've and one at five inches in Gallagher's look well put that so I guess I was a little so I would if I had to pick I would definitely pick the r7 plus yeah not because of the camera I just I really like the sea added security of the fingerprint scanner that's me in the rain yes yeah and the laser focus right so those are the two things and that 4100 milliamp hour battery that's the thing that must be insane say they've stacked the deck because it's 4,100 milliamp hours with Luke Hardy that's ridiculous well that would ensure god it's not i think that's like a great thing you know my name is Hal to and then as hell but doesn't mean point some for me I guess you know I'm glad that in the presentation they didn't sit down and say we are launching a phone without bezels because there are bezels on the outside macross you know even if you know we hiked the rumors that there weren't any well there aren't in the chassis design but there is this huge black bar around the display within the Cassie that that is pretty much a bezel that's just not covered by white film but these are peasants how about the presentation what did you think about the lunch no no now keeping in mind that they were celebrating a 10-year anniversary yeah they do really push it lat much today was quite I think it did I think they do it was quite it's quite humble at the same time I'm sorry oh oh you think humble shower decoration I said I'd the movie moments where they just kind of said yeah we know you've done this problem and ok i'll talk about they'll arrest the first thing all over ya mean you're not really a child yeah I think yeah this is sad well yeah you really want to start them up yeah the first thing they said is like we've received a lot of complaints okay it might be true but what I would keep remembering from it is in this what I haven't I haven't really had this experience with a phone company launched see Samsung where you had a host that had to react to the information she obviously knew Yeah right like oh we're gonna show you a video and she'll come back on stage and go simply amazing haha ok yeah I'm sorry miss desensitized to Allah so I think I don't know I think that and for those of you who didn't watch the event weren't able to see it it was more of a Q&A than anything else I don't I don't think that was an interesting structure I don't think that was necessary I think that it would have been like you never see Q and ice from anybody you know from the higher end companies they are like these are new strategies this is what we're doing we've heard some feedback and this is the new product the problem with the q and A's are that they wonder around and you know even just call the middle man to come up with Fox and make you down to ask the question this is there are some pretense that's why I think exactly i don't think it was necessary i'm not going to criticize the event I guess I I just feel that it could have been better and the fact that it didn't really need a Q&A could have been a quicker event more practical I mean they were so off focus with you know with asking the guy different questions and stuff that we didn't really get the meat over how a lot of things are being implemented I I'm a communication major I'm always don't notice those kinds of like you know this is always like the underlying toxins but that being said the event was pretty supremely hell yeah not really much beautiful look we were there at the soil or launch and wow that was a crazy town like this those nuts about knowledge like oh yeah yeah do you think all out you know I'm cracking up over that moment where you're like you're like wait for it wait for it they're gonna launch the phone either from the sky a little bit from the floor and then all the media ladies and gentlemen we you can come take photographs and then everybody would just go crazy walking up the stage and interrupting the event yeah like I was waiting for that test that's because the end one wasn't the one that was the end one the one that came from the ceiling yeah it was the fire and 30 and why the entry or the 57 was a poinsettia coming up a really oh sure because okay so the story behind that the story behind that is I remember sitting in the aisle during whatever launch time someone say it was in one or 57 my point soon and I'm sitting in the aisle and they're all like ladies and gentlemen the Oppo find 7 and then I just saw this box slowly appear to my right number one I was freaked out but at number two this was the worst thing that could have done us fire code regulations and the house goes everyone take a look at it for the next 10 minutes and the press I had 20 people strong on my left ready i just got all that device and me i had already got my pre briefing i didn't need to do anything right i got trampled just trying to like walk over me oh my god that's the phone even knowing that we're gonna have an experience that I suppose I guys like this video but Oppo does seem to seem to go home yeah just a little time and even for something that you could say is great but it says a thing like we're learning devices which what's this whole thing about blurring the lines so much mid-range on the inside feels as it tell me is just tell me something I mean I know lollipop has balls and I know there's always prompt so if that phone with its current specifications were running stock Android when you consider it to be mid range as long as it's a very snappy experience no as long as it goes smoothly into a point it goes nuts an iphone well we're talking about two completely different ecosystem I know to completely different ecosystems but you know like the higher and windows phone is a mid-range android phone and the same goes or we don't I know but but I guess the point that I'm making is I don't consider that to be mid range I suppose it depends on your scope Snapdragon from 0 to 8 15 like the 600 is usually considered a little bit more made 400 as the budget phone yeah this if you if you were to consider the 600 like this compared to let's say moto g yeah this feels more premium this feels like a more higher-end and if it was stock Android and this performance smoother than the Moto G did then yeah I would say it's still a higher demand right like they say though the three-year by Iran the difference makes the substantial and 615 is 64-bit capable processor so it's in a way better performance than even if it was like a SAP carrying 800 which is a really great processor still gonna be better than in terms of thyroid and power efficiency yeah and but the thing is to your point and an apple phone the iOS is engineered to not have to take up as many resources as what Android us after it is a unix based system it almost runs a little bit like a pc in the sense that when you are in an app it has to take up a certain amount of memory has to conserve his plan and run in the background you know iOS is a unix based system is what it is I mean it's now I get your point I'm getting like I'll see what is it 756 megabyte of RAM yeah what in the world yeah which to their credit is incredible the same time it's you know there's two different ecosystems I'm talking and the camera on this phone man on the earth seven it looks identical yeah it took a lot of elements from I they were really inspired you know what really i mean though i didn't i didn't feel any submission because those things are were in previous versions of color wise especially the recent apps wearing rings yeah but yeah it's been in color OS were no for me hello color wes is the only thing it's gotta go i tried during the Q&A don't like this one stuff i tried during the QA to be as polite as possible over how much I despise look kind of the icons float up ooh nice no Harrison hate it but I mean it looks beautiful i know it's it's really not the fact that it's that your i think that there was a time when android was horrible back in the time of any mario back in the time of froyo better the time of eclair it was horrible yep that's it made sense then came gingerbread then came Ice Cream Sandwich interpret and it was like okay there is no more need for HTC Sense back then it was necessary at the times a froyo you remember that but afterwards it wasn't so man sends back then thank you but compare sense yeah exactly since was a million times better than stock Android anything was better than stock Android and so you get your here now given given the option to I mean do you really need color OS I mean lollipop is in my opinion personal opinion so good-looking that it's not necessary for userspace it with knowing that here in this market we're sitting in right now in the middle of gin gin China that if you had stock Android without Google Play services you know i would just true here you're making a good point there be an amazing fun yeah you know what I mean they kept talking about cuz consumer surveys you know no I understand it all based on age and no and that's what I told them I that's what I told him in the Q&A it's like okay I do know that you guys have gotten your market figured out but you guys want to expand yeah global incident yeah so what I was like okay if you would at least give me a stock Android skin color OS fine but with a stock Android skin how difficult could that be release an app drawer this is the jelly penalty on the mega thing I don't really miss the app drawer it's funny I really don't list that for me as you use an iPhone half the time well yeah I think I'm on fire we got to sit down with the designers we asked some really good questions dare cross have some really good questions us excellent I mean Connie you're always on fire you're like the Jesus of phones but anyway yeah anyway I answer the question cuz they're all like yeah customers want simplicity and so I asked my eyes what about the theming engine what about the ability to control more yeah and then they just completely didn't answer my question and how do you think I felt yeah I wanted to I wanted to hear from the horse's mouth how their camera software is engineered really what things are are you looking to compensate for in what might not be a great photo straight from the sensor and when I got was it shoots video yeah they totally totally ftp tub and at your truth to that two hours they did man I mean the whatever they didn't whatever they were smoking or snorting or injecting I don't know but it was not good I didn't but the thing is I were we really what what was I really surprised that that was the response i got no of course i know it was just it was just another disappointment that you know if feedback is very important to them then we should be getting the same exact well i mean everything's can I hear it I know what to do the next time I come to one of these my told gene but you know I guess I'm wondering if they were really expecting this to be a session feedback yeah maybe so i went i left her because i think it was more like a verbal commercial oh it's like a verbal commercial and it fires your imaging 2.0 or 2.1 or what made you come up with color west 2.1 you know i guess they were expecting those types of questions and then here I come and I tell why is the camera on the engineer so bad one day the company that even if their cameras shitty the company that gives me a straight answer as to why they made their choices emre is the one L respect to host and I told James I want to come in with like 11 by 12 photo 4 by 3 aspect ratio whatever from the camera that could be considered mid-range like they say Moto G yeah come I'll blow up a picture from a moto G put it right in front of them and say notice in this picture you have like a lot of rain here you have details aren't really great the color how would your camera what would you do to your camera software to make this phone it's like when I asked them about the HDR I showed you my hdr photos from on Dora I mean there's this like white bridge in the middle of the of the lake you can't really even see the damn bridge and so I'm like okay it becomes pointless free d have to add HDR it's a really dark day I wanted to pull out to not over bloat the white of the of the bridge with a shot and HDR just completely destroyed the photo yeah and so the either response was that they did that intentionally because it's what their customers want and I'm like okay I'm I really don't understand the purpose of crappy HDR something that customers would really want but you know I I guess I felt a little down played with the comment that that the guy said he was like oh I'm a professional photographer and this invisible is and I'm like okay I'm not a professional photographer 99% of your customers aren't either you know it's great for you to have a thousand shooting modes on your camera but the problem is that people don't really want that what is so special about the galaxy s6 what's so special about the note edge what's so special about the iphone the fact that you don't have to be switching around modes to get the right shot at the moment that you want it all you do is you pull a damn camera out and you clip the eat a professional photographer is not going to be using a smartphone to take an important shot you'll be carrying his DSLR that's just the way it's going to be I mean the whole notion that a professional photographer will endorse a smartphone camera is a little bit ridiculous to me because the professional photographer will still go to an event it was still good yeah the money so yeah I mean obviously that's part of it but that that professional photographer will obviously go to an event that he's getting paid for and use a real camera from camp yeah you know so so it's always going to be a ridiculous notion because the professional photographer should be able to see that this photo from this phone doesn't matter what code it is even the nests six or an iPhone and think yeah I won't ok you know so that's why I just thought it was odd yeah because consumers just supposed to take a picture that car as soon as possible exactly the cat is currently are static he's not moving now I'm too fast they're just hustling when this is over laptop oh yeah now you see like a TD visa yeah each is crazy i like their i remember when i started use him desperately yeah Ichigo Ichie automatic i remember when i started using the note edge i was i was in barcelona and there was a sunset of everything and it was just amazingly beautiful sunset and I just remember that moment when I pulled the camera towards the Sun and the and the software immediately drew the Sun immediately marked you're pointing at the Sun i'm gonna i'm going to compensate for anything else and I'm like this is it yeah and that's why you're rocking that yeah this was it they figured it out you know it's a fundraiser stroke it is hahahahaha and you can okay so I remember there was a time when I would I went on this trip with the family with the Lumia 930 but to test the rich capture features and i guess that i took a sony nex-5n that I had that I have and I took the Lumia and I took photos at the same time and the Lumia would automatically underexpose for the lighting and then the end in the Lumia sorry then the sony would underexposed and the Lumia would automatically compensate for everything and so I'm like this is the thing it's a smart phone you have the opportunity to process after you take the photo and give users a better photo that compensates for everything that's what Lumias do that's what the galaxy s that's what the galaxy phones do now and so that's the thing it's like there are times when eating smartphones can do a better job because they have the processing power and it all happens a real time it all happens in real time you can't you know what processors or what what the technology is in is in cameras right now you don't see that yet or at least that's what I think I'm oh that's the reason why I gave LG so much credit yes because they actually said the things I photographers wanna hear ya lower aperture doesn't make sense without a bigger sensor what else they actually need they mentioned the very notion that smartphones are trying to touch it it's good we just got a flash we have a bit of an audience for our show today their tech bloggers yeah well it's still a group of top of tech bloggers but the thing that I loved at the OG events and this is what I'm looking for when I ask the questions about smartphone cameras is just something to dis elect oh yeah obviously smartphone cameras these days are trying to make easy the craft that people like hearing learned over years years of practice the world of now it's just at your fingertips you don't have to know it no one thing right and I have a little bit of a nerd moment here yeah so the best research dick tastes like iphone 7 and I hate you die phone but like the fact is they have a conscience billions dollars to catch the disposal but the next major breakthrough for smartphone cameras has to do with something called a MEMS sensor and manage MEMS is really special because MEMS the periscope design it seriously all shape not quite like that MEMS are highly miniaturize nano for lack of a better term I wouldn't use word particles but MEMS essentially it miniaturizes an SLR type lens and it's able to how should I say basically you're able to increase the focal length and manipulate that within a highly militarized package and with that you're able to go as low as like f like zero point B and with that f-stop like you're gonna be able to create crazy bouquet yeah and also be on that too now we're going to be looking at like double or quadruple test image sensors so we're finally like by 2017 2018 we're gonna be dealing with like digital SLR quality if you guys don't we see the term members last year they did yeah mmmm just come and gone but it's like it's really difficult to work because you're dealing with the ton of moving parts and it's all where was it where was it that it was it was in an apple patent yeah and i think it was in a samsung patent as well yeah Samson's making them Sony's making them sony has industry leadership insurance remember excuse me camera sensor yeah but we really begin to see that it's so much money selling off the cameras but I guess the point that I I guess the point that i'm looking for is and by the way disclaimer i have no professional photographer or I'm not gonna let me reveal now you got me looking I did the shoulders you do you say you have everywhere pocket out please yeah there you said that and it's been viewed by millions of people mod pronounce it correctly right metal you better can't do that alright that should be willing to do the ftp intro with you later sure we can get you so so here's the thing truly smartphone cameras are not DSLR yeah that's not gonna happen that's never gonna happen but here's the thing they don't have to be they don't have to be 23 how many how many people could afford a DSLR 20-30 years ago you remember how much camera equipment will cross 30 years ago its thousands of dollars yeah we've never been in a this is this is the best time to get yes yes what about the whole Sony thing you know I've ever seen Ken home he's a global communications director LG he was insulting Sony on facebook saying like who's going to pay 240 dollars for a portable image sensor Bluetooth that has f'd stop of 2.8 like chicken or chief or you know it's got one point isn't it phone when we're very going with that so the point is it the I don't think there's a need to compete with an SLR you know there is a market for us a large just like there's a market for race cars there's a market for SUVs there's and there are people out there the major the average consumer doesn't want to call a huge camera I want to carry the most practical one they can carry and have it do a good job yeah but then in your right but all I ask all I ask is that you draw your inspiration from the DSO true and make it clear true that's not that that's a valid point and I guess the the other point is that you know even though sure you have to draw your inspiration I think that next year or probably later this year is going to be extremely interesting no five yes the note 5 but it's just samsung and LG have graced the bar so oh yeah god blessed that god bless them you it is just I guess that was the point that I was trying to make to oppo today you cannot launch a product like the m3 or make it the m5 next year and launch it with a mediocre camper it is just pointless yeah particularly the n3 or the future and five whatever the number is going to be that phone is really the novelty is really the camera there is no points for second place now when it comes to camera quality like you said you wanted to champion the camera so hard because that's not her you know motorized we're getting camera it has all the hardware necessary to be so excellent but then the sauce they just went and I'm just going to say they've it up they put the same software of every other events that's what I'm saying like software has to add the software as a draws inspiration right from what look at how a even an entry-level canon yeah j pathol 100 yeah JPEGs about you know and and mimic that do that yeah in the scope of your sensor that's all I want to know is what's happening alright this is not gonna be a super long ftp this week but it is a double feature so i hope our audience is enjoying your hearing this clinking hard hard from Cheers yeah we're getting worse we have is we have slipped we have a two person audience we had a fourth-year who didn't talk that much sorry items but i am going to give everyone a chance to give their there just are seven hour 7 plus starting with your verdict you first look verdict we're doing on for review soon but I mean there's lots where we are Josh there's a lot of things that go into the sea no I'm always focused on the business end of things go to market strategy all that lame but in reality like consumers who want like a really good mid-range phone you know they're going to do the least path of the resistance to get that home and so it all depends on localization for American consumers you know they have the same time to launch now 199 excellent phone battery life's questionable I still don't believe in Intel's mobile strategy like the battery life sucks but idle substrate there you go excellent phone I mean equivalent specs for the most part except for the AMOLED screen and the subpar which I thought the AMOLED screen was a nice time but they'll have the price yeah dude is that that IPS display on that that alcohol was really good it was good it's probably one of the best IPS displays IPAs accent I mean I'm always looking back you know I lick the flagships from two thousand thirteen and fourteen like the g2 would be awesome but focusing on today and focusing on you know what oboe is done I think that they've done an excellent job and you know consumers do actually don't care about specs they're gonna go you know ninety percent of the world's consumers who aren't in the united states are gonna go to a you know a stand that's like glass and they're gonna pick up the phone and they're going to feel the beautiful yeah pradesh about to say either didn't see so many users just give it experience extremely three colors of it the rapid camera love it and they're gonna be extremely attracted the hour seven people easily in asia and developing my yes in from i think is hot item i commend them for bringing back the headphone jack yeah that was made it up and speaking to the larger picture of what they've done here like having attended a lot of media workshops in the past like the fact that they were so transparent yeah and they were so open and just you know human and willing to admit their mistakes along the way and let us talk to the designer like I was really I don't know the whole soul of a boy like I really got to say that really ever since the beginning with the 55 you know I really dig it right really have it really take it okay and yeah of course this is samsung camera and yeah this is samson panel but like they put it all together in a way that a lot of companies never could have done so i recommend yeah all right oh you'd pop okay so while you play with the Lycans yeah yeah right i got dark officer um so your time they don't have a big that it's not what you want to say before I ask you how you feel but was a lie this is not this is a different so is the question are 74 awesome plus in general like how would it work what are your thoughts if you give me give me few thousand phones because we get we gave our thoughts about to the factory tour in the event yesterday what it do don t 0 to n 32 and I'm used to be impressed I'm I much prefer the plus personally there's because of prefer the big screen our fingerprint sensor just some play around with it I'm submitting at the most time with it but it seems to be really reactive seek to be kind of what kind of perfect for it yeah just prefer the whole look at the part of the look of plus or everything but the r7 is still useful but it's still you've got right there but it's just yeah it's just I agree everyone's going to book them to walk into a shop pick that up and go yeah I've kind of happened that's yeah yeah I'll be fine what days are going to worry about the software I don't worry about that yeah i mean what's the device of the future supposed to look like yeah transparent piece of glass that has hollow elements on top of it you know and right now you're looking at one of the thinnest phones that are available that kind of gives you that somewhat sense of feeling just imbiss and doesn't feel like it's gonna fly over hand they just have to which is nice can you can we excuse the camera considering the price point and considering that this is supposed to be classified as sort of a mid range hood but by the way I mean if it's a nice I have we have further testing to do yeah dude I mean this is what it's Peavy what what stages in it and it's no photo software well haha dv/dt i think yes so the it's it's real we can't judge it yet yeah we can't truly church wedding is in one in the few pictures that we have been able to take over the last day or so like for the most part it hasn't really performed too badly yeah so I don't know how to anything horrible yeah yeah that kind of I've had good and apart kind of we're not really Barnard real bad exactly nothing for breakfast and then you think about yeah and it's easy to think like oh we're in a good place where comes the cameras and software for the math but I matter buddy hammer us when you think back to like 55 you know like I remember the fine five is one of my favorite phones ever but I came back camera which is ignite yeah I second eyes out i agree i think that i think that the r7 is nice the r7 plus yes it's I still can't not see the mate 7 in it yeah which is the reason why in terms of design I focus on the r7 more yeah and it's it's a it's an engineering feat to me because it's it's just so simplistic it's very thin feels wonderful in the hand the the thing that I can't stop doing on this phone is pressing the play really there's so many like the sound I see pleased with it right press it all day like a third in the factory over they have that machine that pushes the buttons like for 42,000 machine I just 10 but really the the phone just feels so nice amoled screen at five inches 1080p the right now you can call that the bare minimum and by its it's the greater and the camera as long as it performs pretty well I think we're going to have a pretty good device here at like what yeah you know I'm looking I'm constantly looking for phones that if my girlfriend or my friends into trucking oh it's all good yeah yes by this time right now the idol 3 has that crown yeah at 250 but you know eight hundred dollars more this is this might be a holic device you should know I was gonna end on you I mean like at your your verdict it's my verdict whoo I like the are 70 I would recommend it you know actually sorry I don't do that i just wanted a store clerk doesn't really matter that these are capacitive keys compared to soft are we only really up in arms about this debate okay so here's the thing like I've always been against capacitive please always particularly because if your turn it like if you're holding the phone to try to take a photograph it is extremely easy for you to press these buttons and leave the viewfinder you're playing a game and it is extremely easy for you to press them to leave the game it happens to me all the time and that's the reason why I like either on-screen buttons or a hardware physical key I just realized who they don't line up yeah and then neither did they in the r5 they didn't because it out because i found the chassis was and so I would I never liked capacitive buttons so no i don't i don't like that those that's actually one of the reasons and sorry i like the r7 it's not a bad phone on the contrary it's very well designed i feel that they were fine I thought that the r5 was very well refined and they just took us the further and focus on things that are important like the headphone jack but I think that the r7 plus is just so futuristic you know the the design of the display is just so futuristic looking that I I could just not stop looking at a display I couldn't stop looking at the display this looks so lucky you call a big batter yeah if you're just staring it yeah and if you know a lot of people are going to be like oh it's only 1080p and I'm like to you are not gonna see pixels stop complaining what you're not gonna see you're not going to see things stop complaining so again in my case I are 7 plus but just because I'm a geek okay sounds good well obviously this entire group is Pam we're sitting with right now we're going to get our review unit soon enough we're gonna give you all of our with you as in all of our final thoughts but yeah just it's been one hell of the last couple of games yeah it really has and it's one yeah it feels more like a week skills exactly which is which is the reason why we are recording outside of where we're staying yeah in the middle of the night at 1am almost and right now it looks like we're about to have shots is going on my way to do shots live all the hookups of course if we'd this our ending and this is Petra it's very its range certain degree i was going on alright well let me do my outro we're gonna end it at the end right so yeah all right um i want to give a thanks to our audience here i will have named you guys off at 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