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hello everybody and welcome to the Friday debate podcast by android authority discussing topics in android every week i am of course your host Joshua Vergara from android authority what's going on everybody and I'm joined this week by the same co-hosts from last week we're gonna go in here from them real quick let's say hi to andrew grush our lead editor over there and a writer from our team Jonathan Feist house got everybody very aptly named feisty over there that were going to hear from him and then of course our appt guy and YouTube extraordinaire Joseph Hindi hello Internet as always the Friday debate is your source for a topic every single week that we're pretty much going to talk its ears off every friday and this week we have a pretty good one but i do want to get some housekeeping done real quick we are now available on pretty much all of the networks for podcasts we already made onto itunes so any app that you might use on android that scrapes itunes will be able to pick up 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great one Andrew wrote of rather long one so I'm gonna go and read through it actually know what let's dive and reread read that off I put it in the chat there so once you go ahead and get us started on our topic here alright so there's been a lot of rumors relating to upcoming devices this week and that's been doubly so for the HTC One m9 one of the biggest things about the m9 is the design in that it appears to be almost identical to the m8 this leads us to ask is it okay to reuse designs or or does a recycle design make the new handset less appealing if you do feel that each new to model should have its own distinct language how do you feel HTC could have improved on the m8 m9s design I'm sorry if the rumored images we've seen are correct yeah it's true that we've had a lot of rumors this past week not only on the HTC One m9 but also on the other flagships after all we have a lot of great shows coming up the one in particular being of course Mobile World Congress in Barcelona coming in March so we're gonna see a lot from there and there's a lot of rumors that we're going to see these devices there I love the idea that we're going to talk about phone designs in general but since we're focusing on the m9 I have one quick question for everyone to answer how did you feel about the design of the One m8 since we're talking about how it may evolve or not evolve therefore let's start off with Joe Hindy over there um the m7 in the m8 were both really well designed devices like you know I believe they won like design awards and whenever people like talked about you know good build quality they talk about HTC phones that doesn't say anything about the repair ability but you know you never go to I pics if that doesn't matter um but you know if it's similar or almost them you know the same to the m8 it's not something I would mind because I mean the m8 was a good-looking phone yeah I could probably use a little less bezels uh because that bottom bezel was pretty terrible also you're in that camp you really don't like that HTC bar I think it's time for the HTC bar to go it's not that I don't like it it's that you know we're in different places in the relationship and I think it's time that we went our separate ways everyone who is a major carrier at this by media major OEM at this point is its ditching you know having a logo on the front HTC needs to get with the times I don't know I was never really that that that big I didn't think it was that bad you know that one bar that's right there i mean when i went to the events and ask them why that barstow there on behalf of our fans of course they did always tell me that you know there's a lot of technology underneath the surface so we need to have a little bit room there to fit everything blah blah blah but you know like having just the one that HTC is a very Spartan logo it's not all that flashy so just having those three letters there didn't really bother me too much feisty how do you feel about the design of the m8 you know I was pleasantly surprised with the dma m7 as well you know I looked at the device initially and I thought you know that's not going to feel great in my hand but when I picked those guys up they fit nice they feel real good that you know the ergonomics are great that back curve around the edges is very nice i like that you guys are talking about bezels i find that the minimal side bezel I mean it looks great but I'm you know the palm of my hand is pushing the screen an awful lot you know what I'm reaching over try and get my thumb to the far side of the screen I find that palm touches are happening at quite a bit so i'll agree that the the large HTC black bar is you know maybe not exactly attractive but i think i still want some big bezels all right how about a young mother brushy uh you know I thought the m7 was a great design and the m8 just basically took the same thing and refined it and I think that was great I was glad to see the capacitive keys go uh not so thrilled on the you know duo camera but I just thought it was kind of a gimmick and not really necessary but then again was so so was ultra pixel but yeah I know I think that they've been on a roll and I you know it gets to a point where what can they do to improve but I think that's kind of where they're at you know they're running out of things that they can change mmhmm yeah i mean the as far as we're talking about features but maybe it doesn't quite have much to do with the design or the aesthetic but what were you guys has thoughts on the duo camera after all it may be a feature a maybe a piece of hardware that's on the phone we're not necessary talk about the design but we kind of are too because the dual camera meant that there was an extra eye on the back of its head so what did you guys all think about the duo camera and is it something you want to return to the m9 and possibly i felt like okay for me I felt like that was the only weird part of the design i actually thought that everything looked really great it wasn't quite as ridge in its design as the m7 bm7 seemed a little sharp in some edges and that was not the case in the MAS but I just couldn't get over the fact that there was this little hole on the top of my phone's head what were you guys thinking in terms of at least the duo camera um I had a purpose didn't it was supposed to help with like focus and like lens blur kind of stuff I got ya I got like the focus depth information so that you can use that was it was like the first phone to try and tackle the whole unfocused /d focus future okay um since it had a point I'm okay with it it's one of those things were like I don't take a lot of pictures on my cell phone so something a feature like that is next to useless for somebody like me at the htc's camera history in general has always been a little the mega pixel thing has had mixed reviews since its inception so um you know the idea that their work you know doing these weird little features before perfecting the camera is a little ridiculous but it isn't the the m9 is supposed to have something like a 20 megapixel camera isn't it yeah like that's at least a rumor and if the renders are correct we're not seeing a dual camera up at the top we're just seeing a much larger piece of optics on the back which you know I think I think might be a nice move considering that I don't know about you guys you can definitely talk on this but i don't think the dual camera ever proved itself honestly know and the thing is that like to do okay or the dual camera whatever would have been better if the camera itself were worth taking those kind of pictures with because you know no one no one's buying the HTC one m7 or the m84 it's you know for the camera quality they're buying sony and iphone and stuff like that so you know like if you're already not buying a phone for the camera then the extra camera features just seemed kind of useless to me that's just me though okay how did a duo fair for you guys over there Feist engrish actually you know when the m8 first came out I was interested I'd looked at that phone I thought maybe I'd buy one but I do take an awful lot of pictures with my camera or with my phone sorry and you know certainly not professional grade photos but you know just snapping even the sunset that sort of stuff and I bought into the the four megapixel of the HTC ultrapixel it's just it was too small for my liking not that I worry so much about the pixel count just that from what I was seeing that the performance of the camera and the end result of the photos it it was less than my five-year-old little LG phone so I stuck with a little LG and I went with a different device and I would almost say that the only reason I did not get the m8 was because of the camera hmm wedgie well as I kind of alluded to I wasn't a fan of the duo I wasn't a fan of the ultrapixels I really haven't been a fan of a she sees cameras in recent times and you know I thought the picture quality was okay but I don't think it really like you said it didn't prove itself it didn't really add what it was supposed to my opinion and aesthetically I thought it looked really stupid you know putting it blah i thought it looks stupid it just you know um I you know I I like the HTC the HTC one m7 CH design a little better actually I agree with you on you know some of the change as far as the rigidness and stuff but you know I actually that's why I'm excited by the you know that even though people are going to complain that it's not different enough I'm glad they've ditched the deal with the m9 that they're going back to you know just a single camera on the back oh sure um yeah it might be a nice little throwback and if the camera optics are you know the 20 megapixels or something like that you know my up 20.7 20.7 I just I just messed with the 20.7 megapixel camera on a different phone I was amazing mx4 pro and it certainly did a pretty good job we'll see what HTC is able to do with all the experience they got from there ultrapixel days and see what that would they will be able to do with 20.7 megapixel abs and it is worth noting that the ultrapixel may not be gone from the m9 just gone on the back the rumors claim that we could be seeing the ultrapixel on the front you know like like with the desire HD eight 8 26 yeah so there's also another rumor that says it's gonna be a 13 megapixel so it's hard to say each one's right but oh yeah obviously we're depending on the market you know they could even go that route it's hard yeah exactly we're doing a lot of speculation here oh yeah well and I don't think HTC you know H even though it doesn't do well obviously it didn't do well on the the ultrapixel didn't do well with the m7 as far as reception and yet they kept with it the MA because they invested into it and so I think if they can find a way to keep it around in some form I think they will oh yeah definitely all right let's go ahead and talk about the design of the m9 then these renders are pretty much telling us that the design of the m8 for better or worse is pretty much going to be recycled and it's it'll have those black lines on the top and bottom of the back the hairline brushed aluminum on the bag the nice rounded corners that the m8 was pretty much getting a lot of awards for it at least in terms of its design but does it look too much like the m8 um you know something I'm going to be a the guy who sides with the OEMs on this one of just playing the devil's advocate here but I mean these guys have approximately 365 to day 365 days to design and create the the next great smartphone and I think that you know with such you know it's such a limited time and they already have a design that works really well I mean everyone loved the design of the m8 yo sans the double camera stupidness but you know the eeo the you know the m7 and the m8 were extraordinarily designed to devices and people loved that you know other OEMs why can't you be more like HTC and do this awesome design thing that you do so I and it's not like Samsung where everyone wants them to change and has wanted them to change since the galaxy s3 like no more plastic Samsung boo you know no one's doing anything like that with HTC so I think the idea that you know that they're gonna go with a similar design for you know for this year they did last year in the year before that you know I mean it's a winning formula you know why would you why fix it if it's not broken right okay fair enough so you think that so would this be the the time for a recycling of this design what if like say the who knows what they're going to call m10 coming after this what if that phone looked exactly the same as the MA and what looks like could be the m9 what is there a time when when design becomes tiresome um definitely look at the Galaxy S series I mean are they posting like lower profits then they have been the last few years because I mean you look at the galaxy s 3 4 5 and probably six and you know it's the same kind of stuff just year after year just a little bit different no that I don't see how six is gonna be amazing it's gonna be different why don't they say there's no time to try and market it like it will be Samsung's paying me out of the table right now well grocery how about you men like how do you feel about the m9 essentially having a very similar look to the m8 like do you think that this recycling is something that HTC should be doing okay so like like Joe was saying on one hand I agree if it's not broken why fix it but on the other hand if I was upgrading from an m7 or an even an m8 I feel like there's not much to show off you know uh many of the special software features that will come to the m9 will probably make their way to the m7 at ma eventually anyway and so that pretty much leaves improve specs and performance well that's kind of hard to like boast to your friends and things about you know and something you can't really show them and yeah obviously I hope that we're not buying our phones just to impress people but you know still it's it's one of those things that you know oh wow this looks exactly like I had before ha what's the point I mean yeah and even the performance you know that's a whole other subject but we're not seeing you know I can use a nexus for even today and you'd be able to pretty much play it almost anything any game you know at least semi okay and pretty much any app you find on google play and that's a few years old now and so i guess i see if there's no design change it kind of you know what are they selling you on why should you upgrade yeah that's the hope that the features underneath are going to be as compelling as they should be as far as impressing other people i mean i feel like the I feel like HTC kind of has that feather in their cap though I've been hearing from a lot of people or did hear from a lot of people at least in the last two trade shows that you know all these phones are coming out and they they they don't necessarily all look the same but it's really the certain phones like the m7 or the m8 that have very different way of looking at design that people are actually like well what phone is that so I mean I guess in that sense the m82 the m9 design might make a little bit of sense but i think i agree with your garage like that's it's not really truly changing the experience if it just feels and looks the same you're gonna look at your phone after you upgrade it and you're like I kind of feel like I got the same thing just somewhat better and that's exactly like like Joe is saying that's exactly what people were complaining about with the galaxy line you know people didn't complain that much initially with like you know but by the time we got the galaxy s5 it's like okay guys seriously we need something they're friends yeah exactly like I think this is the last year where HTC is gonna be able to go with this kind of design and not get total outrage like Samsung did I think they're gonna get flack I think they're gonna get flack already but i agree with you i don't think i think if they do this again that's one we're really going to start having people complain yeah and hopefully they have the forward-thinking for that feisty thoughts on the look of the m9 being too much like the m8 perhaps well you know you guys have covered these phones specifically and you know if it's not broken don't fix it all that kind of stuff but yeah I think this speaks to a larger shift in the mobile industry you look at the world of laptops for example and I've got to HP laptop sitting here right in front of me they look relatively close to the same but you know what one of them is eight years old it's running beat-up old linux and the other one is a brand new Chromebook they look the same on the outside but the difference is when you fire them up are drastic and I think you know we've come to expect that a laptop is a again there's going to be nuances in the in the design changes but for the most part it's you know it's a big rectangle with rounded corners you flip it up there's a keyboard you get essentially the same overall design but we've come to look past that and look at the functionality and you know just the features of the device and that's where I'm at with the mobile industry with the cell phones I don't need a new design I don't need new Kevlar back cover for example I just want her you know I I have to you know interject a little bit uh I disagree in a way because yeah all laptops do pretty much look the same from model to model but unless you're like a hipster in a coffee shop you know trying to write your next novel you're probably not showing off your laptop that much don't make sure 1mon you're walking around with you have it flipped out you're walking past people hey what's that you know I think it matters more on the mobile side I take offense that hipster quote well I mean that that that is part of it i mean it's it's a matter of looking at what the ecosystem really wants out of you you know and maybe we are moving into this world where smartphones are starting to become maybe a little bit like laptops and you know but the thing is the the features underneath have to be that compelling in order for you to go from one to the other if i see did you have more to say on the subject no that's okay well we'll leave it sit there's writing novels that's enough yeah man saying it that's just my you know take that I I feel like you know there's more there's more need for design on the mobile than there is a laptop but if you disagree yeah go for it um well Milton this boils down to a personal preference I I don't really mind what people think of the phones that I have it on hand you know I've got some tiny phones I whip them out in public people look at me funny because they're 4.3 inches and and obviously I don't obviously your common sense as an artist and yeah quite the opposite of the 4 inch phone yeah so you know I'm not too concerned what people think of me and my devices but I definitely I see what you're saying you know in the world of impressing others that you know having the big new glossy phones is it you know that that's important but you know for me as long as the features are there and as long as the device performs as needed I'm okay with the looks okay yeah I think I think I fall under Feist in this particular sense but then again you know I I do have to put it out there I'm sure we've been called out on it before but as a phone reviewer we work with so many different phones that we don't really have the luxury we're not the luxury but we don't have to pick a phone solely based on that personal preference because well I have literally this roller that I could just roll out and there's all the phones that I review oh so I don't really need to choose but if i had to put like my finger on how i feel about the m9 i do think that if it takes on the design of the m8 i think that's a really good thing yes after this if it happens again that's when we have to speak up but even then it's it is a nice design and as long as everything underneath especially the camera especially the freaking camera is a lot better now than I'm sure I can forgive what might feel like a very similar phone you know something I didn't really think about until like just now but you know it is it could it be possible that these you know companies are just trying to figure out like a like their own little footprint can we're talking about a candy bar here you know exactly how many different ways can you make a phone that shape actually look without without what else starting to get you know totally ridiculous with it so you know like if HTC goes with like the brushed aluminum and samsung wants to go with the button on the front and then you know LG wants go with the buttons on the back you know all of a sudden it's not like repeating the design year after year it's creating a like a something that people can recognize as a brand like you pull a brushed aluminum phone out of your pocket boom you've got an HTC phone you pull a phone out and got a button on the front or about on the back boom samsung LG so like you know there might actually not only be you know you know it might get old for some people but there's actually there might actually be a benefit to repeating the design year after year because I mean you pull the galaxy s3 out of your pocket everybody knows that's a samsung phone and you know four or five probably six you know going all the back to two and even one you know you pull any of those phones out of your pocket like man that looks like a samsung phone or an iphone if you want to be well if you want to be a lawyer about it that's that's you know if somebody pulls a Taser out of their pocket they're like hey that's grush ease project exactly yeah that's the confidence obviously it does work for some people to have the same design because I mean Lenovo and IBM have been doing that with a thinkpad since the beginning of time for actively yeah they looking as yet they still sell yeah they look exactly the same 10 years ago yeah yeah you buy a thinkpad today it pretty much looks like I thinkpad from nineteen ninety five stars I'll own up in the middle I love that thing um yeah and I heartily agree i mean-- record being recognizable is probably probably like at least forty percent of success in the market and being able to you know just whip something out and everyone's like whoa i recognize what brand that is i recognize exactly what it should be able to do and stuff like that I know odd wording I was very odd wording something I want us to whip it out and have everybody know what it is is mine is this is HTC phone but like so we brought up that that point about recognizability and I think that's a great way it's a sort of segue into what I think would be a good way of like exploring what these other companies are doing in that particular space we brought up Samsung already and we can always come back to that and feel free to bring it up but this is the one that I really want to put out there Sony why is it that we get on Samsung's case so hard about recycling the glossy plastic which may not be the case for the upcoming s6 in the note 5 you never know the note 4 certainly didn't have glossy plastic on it it was all it had the metal frame and had that new backing the s5 on the other hand a little bit questionable we weren't sure what they were thinking of when we did that but Sony ever since the Xperia Z the very first one like one of the first phones I ever reviewed at least that is a phone that potentially looks the same every six months even so so what is it about Sony that almost makes us forgive them for that kind nobody cares about Sony that's the problem they're not popular agree nope yo like I mean dude alright so yeah I think about most of us are you know us-based bloggers and not just at android authority the other places too of most of us live in the united states and sony has literally no footprint here like you have to be on t-mobile and you have to want to get the the s version the z1s of if you want to get a sony product i think they like the last really good i want to say good but the last like really big sony phone was the the one that moved out and do a controller well that it was on verizon with the xperia play right and then it was like the the z1s and then like outside of that I can't I mean there's there's been others I'm just I can't think of like any other except for those two that have been out the United States and um you know I mean from what I gather they're not really father's III was is III the United States both t-mobile and Verizon oh well I mean it's on verizon with the Z dad surprises it's a decent duty yeah yeah exactly yeah but 3v the z1s and I thats the same problem that Samsung had with the galaxy s2 because he had the epic 4g touch then the galaxy s2 and then yeah happy exactly like there were all these different names for essentially the same device and it's just you know when it's just mismanagement Sony is mismanaged and they're not very popular in at least the United States and from what I gather at least from the news i've been reading they're not really that popular abroad either aren't they like minimizing their mobile division and starting over or something like that well i mean from what i can tell in cuz you don't have to go too far from America to find Sony sort of having a better foothold I mean but up in Canada they're they're all over and billboards and and everything like you don't get that much marketing here and even LA where I'm from but from what I can tell Canada has a little bit better of a sony presence but europe those guys over there really love their sony stuff that's the reason why whenever a new sony phone comes out there all I come out to London and then we're like no we can't afford that but yeah okay I can see that but at the same time it's like you know we still get these phones every every every six months as reviewers at least and you know have you ever watched like let's say my first looks from mwc because you know essentially we're probably going to be looking at a z4 coming up in the next couple months at mwc if you were to see that phone and there's a radio render of it it's going to look well according to the rain it's going to look basically like a XIII again or z2 again if you were to see that phone on a video that I created later and I later in a month or so would you have the same reaction looking at that that you do at the s5 or four from before the s 3 and s 2 it's not the reaction you would have with that because I don't feel like that's the case was now um it would be like oh hey look there's a sony phone right there well does the z3 of the z2 were almost literally the exact same phone I mean there's only a few things from a spec sheet point of view that were different between them and yet if you remember it was getting a lot of praise on our site the comments were just exploding about how awesome this phone is and I you know I don't mind Sony but I was like okay you know cuz it was at the same time we were getting a lot of negative from the galaxy s5 it's like well at least Sony dummy least uh i'm not a huge samsung fan but i had to give it at least they did something different well you know i didn't like what they did different but it was at least something but sony pretty much gave us the same phone and awesome well I mean Sony from rileys from our experience sony has had a very loyal fanbase you know and it's not even just true for their mobile division i mean i'm a playstation user myself and i swear by it you know I've gone into fights with people already about how like you know I prefer my ps4 over any Xbox and people get real mad at me and it becomes a flame war of so okay well without you just say yeah I have an xbox one I'm totally effect yeah I'm gonna hail I'm gonna halo all up in this bitch sorry well let's put this way are you are you a big call of duty player is that the reason why you want froeken or what was God no I I got your hate call what's your main game then I um halo halo okay see that's the thing like its it has to do with what the ecosystem has and I think that's I think that's what makes makes it so that you can kind of I don't know like maybe I'm drinking the Sony kool-aid a little bit that I I don't really feel that vitriol over the fact that the Sony phones come out and they're usually the same and even more to their credit or to their doom it comes on every six months every have a month week every half year we get another phone that you can tell it's a sony phone but at the same time there's not really a whole lot that's changing um how about a feisty we haven't heard from you in a little bit like how do you feel about the recycling at least in terms of Sony's way of doing it you know I don't want to say this but I think we've given up on Sony that's all wrong I when I expect you guys no sorry let me clarify that I've given up on them design-wise now when I look at a spec sheet of those of the Sony Xperia z3 and whatnot and even the z2 I really liked that phone again looking at the spec sheet looking at the performance looking at the end result of the photos that those things take I really like the Sony devices I do I really do I I would have bought one but design wise it's just it's a hunk of plastic and metal and whatever it's made out of an you know it gets the job done it has the buttons it has the screen but it designed just so to speak given up on it you pretty much expect them to not change it at all so you just kind of accept it exactly yes same goes for their laptops the same goes for their stereo equipment I they're set in their ways they've got their iconic designs which exactly what we were talking about earlier that HTC could be you know going along the lines of now from the m 8 am-9 and i'm comfortable with their design it's has nothing spectacular but it's solid and it's functional and that's what I'm looking for ok um yeah I just pointing this out there if there was a sony phone that looked like that had that look and feel of like you know if I put it in my hand and I think to myself this is like a ps4 I think I would love that person Jose over there scoffing I actually I actually love all video games just I am like I am like Martin Luther King of video game consoles whatever you want to play you're still a gamer in my book I don't care what it is o people can play can't believe you just equated yourself oh I'll drop that call back to this past week okay so okay so we kind of we kind of explored the Sony side of things so let's go ahead and double back to Samsung then we have a company like so anywhere they recycle their design but you despite how negative I didn't realize you guys were going to take it like you know either no one really cares about Sony as much as joe said or jonathan weiss said we were pretty much expected so we just sort of accept it samsung on the other hand they try really hard every single year at least ever since the s3 the s4 came out and it was a perfecting of the s3 design at least in my opinion then yes 5 came out and also it looked like a band-aid it had a fingerprint reader on the back not a fingerprint reader a heart rate monitor on the back rather and it just kind of it took what design we were expecting from them and kind of made it like Frankenstein ish I feel like how what is it about Samsung then that makes it so that they can put these tiny little things in their phones and it's obvious they're trying but they still get so much flak well you kind of answered your own question didn't it was because they try so hard they're always in your face about their innovative bold designs in their innovative features and their innovation and their innovative innovation asst and and all of that stuff and then like they come out with it and it's the same phone with a slightly different back with a couple of extra knickknacks tacked on for good measure you know and i think you know that's something I was gonna say this I'm glad you brought it up but you that's probably why we don't really care too much about Sony's design and the fact that they reuse it over and over again because they don't slap you in the face with their you know what their phones go and look at our bold new design and it's the same design every year they don't do that they're just like hey look here's this new phone like it or hate it here it is we're Samsung you know they are just everywhere with it like bold new designs better than the iphone iphone killer hashtag awesome but it but if we're going to have sony do what they do with their designs and now it looks like for the most part at least if the if the m9 renders are correct we're going to get that sort of type of deal with HTC where their designs are kind of recycled why is it that we don't give Samsung the benefit of doubt um because we've been burned before we've been hurt before Samson exactly like a check out our you know this is gonna be the most exciting galaxy s yet and then you know that was the year of the horrible Broadway show you know how do you not hate you're not alright not hate on but how do you not like you know look at a company that does that and you're like no no as bad samsung put out your hand so I can smack it is bad go in the corner you're in timeout samsung until next year till the galaxy s5 year in time out then galaxy s5 bold new design and it's a band-aid I mean it I do i do have to give you some credit for bringing up the broadway show that was pretty terrible i'm not gonna lie how about a gresham face that s 6 s5 you know putting putting some new features on there that you know other people aren't you know they're trying to be different but is it enough I think we got a big dog little dog situation here or big dog underdog situation let's be on a samsung is the big guys right now whatever they do is it's in the public eye it's going to get scrutinized companies like HTC there a little bit smaller now of course they're quite popular they're doing well for themselves but they're still quite small there so to speak the underdog that there's more loyal fans there's there's fans that want to push and help grow the the ecosystem get more devices and I think that's a major part of it where it doesn't much matter what Samsung HTC do they're going to be either praised are scrutinized by a large portion of the users alright how about you crush so I mean a lot of has to do with I agree i'm not he well I mentioned ready I'm not I don't say I'm some devices not massive fan of touch was but I didn't think they'd try really hard you know I and I have to defend them I mean that you know we asked for a change they give us a change and we're not it's not good enough but part of its that Samsung is one of those companies it seems like they do a great job of listening but not listening like it'd be like if my wife told me I drink too much beer I say okay I'll get a bunch of whiskey instead you know I listened I didn't do what she was asking she was telling me I drink too much by the way I don't drink too much but as an example uh you know and so a little bit listeners just made a face like sure sure you don't drink too much I don't I swear huh anyway you know it's it's they listen but then they go and they deliver something that wasn't what we asked you know we want something different Samsung okay well we'll give you a dimpled back we were asking for metal maybe some change up to your you know keys which have you know been the exact same for forever you know we didn't ask for a heart rate monitor we didn't necessarily ask for a fingerprint scanners know some people like that you know we just wanted you to make a big change and so they do a good job of listening but then not listening they don't really follow through i guess why they follow through but they don't deliver what we asked for oh ok ok we think you have a great point but we're not gonna change it the right way that was kind of my example there was yeah okay I'll do it but I'm not doing what you asked I'm just doing something different you know okay let me let me put this out there then we're talking about the s6 this whole time but what about say the note series where at least this is what i said when i when i reviewed the note 4 was the notes the note line has completely completely established itself as the real flagship for samsung the S line is now the experimental line it's where they put some of the weird crap but the note is the note is the polished more like refined design phone so I guess that's the reason why I'm kind of asking like you know maybe we give Samsung the benefit of the doubt because they're capable of creating a phone that just blows away design that note for to me is still one of the best feeling phablets out there and I hate saying the word phablet but it's uh to me that was one of the most beautifully designed phones of 2014 at least I agree with you actually think that even though Samsung still gets negative flack there for the note series I actually think the note series is fine looking I you know yeah you know I metal you know which they already technically did but you know going more metal full unibody whatever but i think that the note series is great it's just the S series but um people I do agree that because of the big guy people are gonna complain they're just gonna complain you know that's how it always is and so I don't think Samsung can do anything that you know if they give us if the galaxy s6 for example is rumored to have a unibody design supposedly maybe a slightly less aggressive TouchWiz which we've kind of seen what the a series now so it's possible um but I really don't think that's gonna happen honestly well I like I said slightly is yeah where they're slightly toned oh um but even if they did that people are still gonna complain why is the cook why's your front keys still here why haven't you change the front of the phone you know people are going to find something to complain about yeah it sounded like Joe did you want to chime in I was just going to agree with everything the rush you just said you put enough people in you know one space and someone's gonna find something wrong with something and start complaining about it okay well um we are nearing the last let's say five ten minutes of our podcast here which is a perfect time for me now that we've pretty much talked about the three different companies and their different ways of design and what they do every single year or half here in the case of Sony so if people if they're reusing design let's put it this way let's let's go for that brass ring again I'm going to try to do this every episode what is a what what design do you want to see in a phone it doesn't have to be from one of the current manufacturers because like Joe said it's probably because they're trying to create this identity that is so recognizable that they're never gonna sway from it because it makes people know who they are so what is a phone that what's this what's a design aspect that you want out of a phone what what would be the next the next great thing and was a big thing I don't want to use a samsung line well what's the what's the next innovation in design that you're looking for if these companies seem to have found what works for them um okay I'll go first um I'm I don't know I don't know the answer this question I am a stupid consumer I don't know what I want I just know that I want something I know I always liked HTC's design but I like you know the Galaxy Note design I like Sony's design like I like all of these designs they're just always seems to be like that one thing that's missing from these phones like you know HTC I really want a 5.5 inch HTC One phone that doesn't suck HTC one max mmmm but you know I didn't like you with the Galaxy Note series like I would really love a galaxy note without the front buttons or you know something like so it's all and actually i love sony pretty much the way that they are but i can't ever get them because they're never available to me but uh you know it's just like it seems like all of these OEMs are missing just a little something to make it at least for me absolutely perfect and i guess you know for me it be you know i don't know uh what i do know though is that i do i would love to see people doing more crazy things um because you know the the note edge the the lg1 that bends with the he's self-healing back that thing yeah the flex yeah you know um which which means which I you're going in the direction that i was expecting was um is there like a material choice that you prefer and you want to see you know I know we've seen aluminum cattle are backing and all that you know personally I'm I would love to see some sort of like a carbon fiber phone I think that yeah definitely but yeah um how about form factors though because you were you were mentioning earlier that you know these are all candy bar phones is there is there a form factor that you think we could go to because as far as I feel like we've plateaued in terms of these black slate designs that are just like flat panels and stuff like that like is there anything that maybe you want to bring back or the new form factor like let's put this let's put this example out there and this in this world of phones that all seem to have the same type of aesthetic we have something like you said that the edge to flex but then I kept thinking about the yotaphone or you know it made the back useful so it that way and you know what what's this what's this dream phone that we might think about in terms of design um I again I don't know I I said I'm a stupid consumer I know I want something but I don't know what it is so uh okay ultimately I'm gonna have to pass on the question I just know that you know most places are like so close to having like the perfect candy bar for me and then they don't get there and I hope that they keep experimenting to find new stuff because I mean you know the candy bar is starting to get old okay how about a rushee for me I just want more options you know I like the OEMs to think outside the box a little bit you know for example blackberry yes it is a ridiculous design but the passport at least was different yotaphone you know as the ink you know different G flex note edge I just want them to think outside the box um and not push the same design year after year I guess to me even though I said it was okay to an extent it's boring uh like I I mean I'm not gonna complain about it like you know if my phone in duplicate my next one ends up looking similar to my last phone i'm not going to complain about it but i do think that the perfect phone is just simply something that is willing to risk a little bit and try something different you know what that is I have no clue like Joe you know but I do look forward to flexible phones to you know beyond what we have now to truly flexible phones I do look forward to that and I think we will get there so yeah basically I just want more experiment you know more experimentation from the OEMs okay so things like that I do wanna say that as far as realistic obtainable things I want every single OEM to just simply put front-facing speakers on all their phones and that would probably be enough to reach and sister that is awesome yeah that is that is a great great addition for all the phones associate the ones that we have designed right now um I have I cuz I because I had this like idea in mind and i'll put it out there after we hear from feisty but i just like okay yeah let's let's hear from feisty first like weather what's uh what's a phone look like to you that design wise would would I guess changed the game or what would really appeal to you in terms of design what's one what's what what do you want out of your phone I have to agree with the other guys so far I mean that there's a lot of great stuff out there but it's all limited and you get the front facing speakers that would be awesome Joe I could see him running into a store he finds exactly the phone he wants but it's running a Snapdragon 200 processor dude that's happened before it's totally happened before absolutely so for me uh I believe that the spa is a delimiter right now for our technology I cannot help but think of the Moto 360 the round face SmartWatch that you know now that we're you know it's been out for several months it hasn't per se changed the industry but the hype around that device nobody cared what the internals were going to be when when it was first announced just look at that thing it's got a round display it you know it breaks the mold all of the phones out right now have square displays I know that's true all of our laptops all of our tablets everything they all have square display that said but that's my point is I think the next big thing sorry is on who it is dependent on different types of displays have been bent displays flexible displays that's great what about stretchable displays and round displays well stretch that would be often that he has imagined return of stretch armstrong the smartphone that's a that's a nice read several years back about you know there's some researchers in Japan they had some you know the quality was very poor but they were working on it stretchable electronics stretch stretchable displays it's more like an e ink type display but you know you pull a a four-inch phone out of your pocket and you stretch it out to a 10 inch tablet that one cept is that's 10 years down the road don't get me wrong we may be even further but that's the next big thing next big thing you had to say it twice their can't omit you have to make sure Samsung souza thanks a bunch of iced tea no on the contrary Samsung's like let's send feisty a review unit one of the round displayed I think they are supposedly working on a round watch so yeah that could be I think for me what we are seeing some some thinking outside the box but I want to see some retro designs i want to see i talked about carbon fiber before and i think that you know moving forward that could be a type of material that we use for our phones but i won you're I have to keyboard aren't you well okay that's like he warded like I do it's govern- keyboards man um I i do miss keyboards and I I'm really excited to do my flashback series with the HTC g1 coming up which is coming very very soon and I'm gonna use it but it's a small freakin phone but it's fine but um yeah just feisty was talking about displays and I agree it's a hindrance the reason why I think it's a hindrance is because it became the hallmark of a smartphone and we totally forgot that you know not we could we could have a great experience on a phone without needing the entire thing to look like a screen or look like the remote control of the future and but this is what I was gonna put out there and I'm not even going to get into it because just just laid let's sit in your head for a little bit the the OEM the company that is able to create the next flip phone smartphone is the one that all I'll be an early adopter of that I will buy that first day I'll stand in line for that by yourself well dark honestly I also miss flip phones i mean there's there some of them yeah and the last one that I remember was Samsung made it and it was so expensive that day that only one person could buy and it was Jackie Chan I believe LG just released if I think was LG just released a new one well it's gotta be more but it's like a Snapdragon like 200 or something exactly like I'm looking for you know flip phones used to be I mean looking back to like the old days is like the motorola razr everyone had that you know I would love for flip phones to to come back from with like a heyday you know if we have flexible display as I display could bend in half and then you can open it up and there you have your full 4 45 inch display um yeah that's that's what I was thinking but you know if something that's attainable maybe a carbon fiber phone I'm kind of cool with that but yeah alright great well I did realize that we didn't necessarily talk about LG and that big stint earlier but I think real quick I think we all kind of give LG the benefit of the doubt because they went different they have the rear facing button layout and also the curved display on the G flex so I feel like you know that's where we give them the benefit because they have actually did some some changes in their design and it's not necessarily recycled every single time and even if it is it's it's different from the other phones I don't know if you guys are definitely yep absolutely i'll check in terms of their flagships yes yeah absolutely so yeah that's why I cuz I realize you guys mentioned the g flex no we didn't talk about LG and then I thought about for a little bit more okay yeah that's probably why but in any case I think that should do it for this week's topic for the Friday debate once again we talked about the HTC One m9 and the fact that it might look a little bit like the m8 and then we started exploring a couple other OEMs to see why they are able to do what they do and we may or may not love or hate them as always you can find android authority on android 30.com and also our youtube page don't forget to follow android authority on social media we have our twitter at android off but we also have our instagram at android authority you can follow us there and you can follow all four of us here of course me Josh Pagara andrew grush Jonathan Feist and Joseph hindi on Google+ using the plus and our name andrew is going to be working on getting his vanity name because all this whole time he hadn't had one yet oh yeah had to bring that up 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