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hello everybody and welcome to the Friday debate podcast by android authority discussing topics in android every week I'm of course your host for the fdp Joshua Vergara what's going on everybody and this week we're talking about project file or as Joe Hindy wanted to call it project fee which is essentially the wireless service that google has announced recently piggybacking off of t-mobile and Sprint networks they're basically making their own mvn oh and we talked about its implications how we feel about the project by itself I almost like fee there and also how we feel about Wireless in general the state of mobile networks today the first 15 minutes of the show however are dedicated to us traceur catching up over the about what we did over the past week or so and making a couple of announcements of what we're doing in the next couple of months one in particular is that we're going to a special trade show that we've never gone to before so I hope you guys are looking forward to that if the audio sounds a little bit different right now just for this intro it's because i forgot my microphone where i'm editing so i'm using the alcatel one touch idol 3 which i'm reviewing at the moment to do this particular intro but without any further ado keep it tuned to android authority for even more from the ftp even and also some changes are coming to the show and we'll let you know what those are in a couple of weeks probably at the most and don't forget that next week we have the LG g4 launch so wait for all of my coverage and also the podcast on our reactions to it so now without any further ado enjoy episode number 14 of the fdp project 5 so you guys I think I'm gonna like totally request an invite for that project fee thing fee or phi i think if i visit if I I think I might buy it could go either way that's the thing it depends if you say Wi-Fi or we fee damn nice dude yeah but in the in the in the once hit TV show burn notice one of the characters names was fee and it was spelled fi so oh that's work i swear i saw it you don't need a do you have a nexus 6 to use the project fire or fee no oh I'm just gonna quick request an invite I'm actually gonna do it right now on the podcast so I'm going to click really loud so you can hear it ready there you go that was me requesting an invite yet everything a helicopter ride a is I know now it was more of a whatever you call it what a grand grand display there alright so how's uh how's everybody doing this week we had a hell of a show last weekend known arava is not gonna be on the show this week he's actually busy right now talking some peeps but again just a big thanks to the guy for being there last week despite all of the crap that we gave him him being up at six in the morning where he is and then me saying his name wrong the entire freaking time I'm still mad about that he made it he made a comment after words in our in our little podcast chat room thing that there were actually people who listen to this podcast who liked the way you said his name better than the way his name actually sounds ever all I can Aramis house way better than when Rob Navia yeah it's so much more exotic oh man but yeah after last weekend and of course Jose lollipop rant I went over way better than I thought it would I listened to it I was like man I sound like a dumbass and then like everyone was like man you really knocked it out of the park I was like okay note to self sound like a dumbass more often you were dead on though I mean you got all the points right everything most of us are concerned about with with lollipop you nailed it so well I mean you know it's just yeah I was mumbling on like a like a crack addict for a little while so I know I did not watch any playoff hockey this week I listened to the theme music for the once hit TV show in Canada called the littlest hobo which is probably the most relaxing TV theme song of all time way that was an actual TV show I thought yes sir I thought you were just Nate like calling the song something funny like no no no that it was an actual show it's about a dog that goes from town to town installs people's problems um Mike Myers the guy who played Austin Powers actually uh played in an episode of that oh wow he played a kid in a wheelchair I think see I keep up with 70s Canadian television up-to-date ish alright so I'm guessing uh going pretty well right now for for you Joe I mean words are no a hockey game today I don't know there was a hockey game I still watch it fair enough so yeah how about how about other guys over there feisty how are things going over and your neck of the woods you know things are good over here just finished up my work with the ADB on the Android customization series it quite a bit of fun for me I like diving into the developer side of things and of course real developers are going to look at everything I said and you know shrug it off laughs it off because it's the simplest of tasks that we perform but hey if you're looking to dig a little bit deeper trying to figure out how your battery is you know what's killing your battery faster than it should or or you know file transfers screen recording said adb's kind of a slick tool well they might have some ulterior motive because if you're teaching people how to get into the whole programming business then they're gonna have more competition a bit I don't know well I took it from a very user perspective you know there was no developing no programming involved to just you know how to install an APK from your pc over to your android device using adb you know something that is totally easier to do by other means but hey if you're in that situation it's great to know how to do it yeah not enough all right that's not pop it over to grow see how are things going over there good not a whole lot to report at all I just read a good article right now sorry I'm a little distracted apparently there is a something called Project Elysium it is a project for a virtual reality project for the oculus rift or whatever people call it um and where they're apparently it's an Australian company and they're making it so you can put in people who died and like interact with them it sounds really trippy well yeah that'd be uh that's a little weird yeah it's really weird like you could somehow like the idea is though you'll be eventually able to like send in like pictures and stuff and they'll make like a virtual model of the person and like resurrect them basically in virtual reality and just thinking oh my gosh are we really gonna go that far it's not gonna be I mean you're gonna see an avatar of someone that you knew but it just doesn't sound like you're gonna get all of them obviously I mean well the idea is to try to replicate their personality so you could actually have like a conversation with them like I said it's a very early stage thing but they're trying to get funding and it to me it sounds kind of so that's why distracted i was reading this um and I'm like what the hell nope but that sounds like it could be trouble seriously I think that the idea is your ex-girlfriend put her in there that uh no you know your personality and there's laws against that thankfully but you know it sounds like it's got major issues possible yeah and you know the plot twist is that after you're done talking to them that program gets uploaded to the walking dead video games well that's what that one of the comments in this article from one of the readers was it be they said let's eat this would be really fun if you could import your dead relatives in to grand theft auto oh nice list the fun it's like wow yeah people on the internet are very maccabi yeah geez just a little oh yeah nothing going on from he just an ordinary day just ordinary day reading up on potentially very dangerous and very bad technology well what a geek wad really did anything and it's interesting Oh grocery really just walks all day long mr. Fitbit champion over there I'm not that that I've been lazy well actually I haven't been lazy I've been working all day but I've been lazy as far as fitness goes I went for a 10 minute jog and i'm still at only 8000 steps screw you guys how do i think i think all of you sit at your couch every day and just shake your arm to get the counter going is like I was like I'm just kind of like really I can't get to 10,000 steps in a day I mean like today was my easy day Joe and I think I still hit like 12 no 11 I hate you either your Fitbit is broken or mine is because mine was a lazy day too and I got a quarter of what you did well a lazy day I still like walked like a couple miles and then I mowed my yard but it was a lazy earth day he walks he walks a lazy man to pick up milk and pretty gross she said walk to the grocery store groceries other job as a part-time mailman he walks around delivering easily i only had three neighborhoods to walk through today was it was a lazy day today was a lazy day no dogs chased me you know aggression when you say something like that like oh I'm having a lazy day and I still out walk to you by four thousand steps it's the same thing is like when my skinny friends say a man I feel so fat after eating a six thousand calorie dinner and it doesn't stick to them at all like invited to six thousand calorie dinner I'd probably have a stroke there were no dog chases today but yesterday while I was walking at like 930 I walk to buy this house and it's like 10 year old punk kid was a walking by see said he said go to bed old man yeah cuz i'm old i go to my old man yes go to bed already first I thought he was like he surely isn't talking to me you know but I walked a little further and he screamed it again in my direction it's like okay whatever I'm sorry but you you are old if in your head when that kid said that you said to yourself surely he's not talking to me oh that's funny look up ten-year-old I would assume is the one with the freaking bedtime just just saying yeah well yeah you'd like that oh man kiss x anymore I have your olds next door to me or up until three o'clock in the morning on weekends I was like really okay whatever oh that's funny surely you can't be talking about me now I must go home and consume some succotash in warm milk how did you know mr. you go to bed you old man Jesus he's gonna finish his warm Malkin and thud we're gonna hear in the middle of the pocket I'm not gonna say a word I believe I'm the oldest of our group I got my phonograph playing in the background and yeah got my reading glasses on you guys don't have bedtimes do you i'm just now that we're on this topic brushy um josh it's 1130 and I'm podcasting but if I had a bedtime I wouldn't be here yeah okay Joe I could yeah I could see that definitely um I just wonder yeah like dude do bloggers have been times like sometimes I wonder um depends I mean yeah I like to get up early so typically I am in bed between 10 and 11 but I'm also other people who it can just very very well I mean it's you know some days I'll be up to like you know two or three in the morning and then up again at like six and then other times I'll beat a bit like eight o'clock it just kind of depends on see that's something your Fitbit would be with a track is it yep you know what you have kids just whatever you can sleep did you do oh yeah that's true yeah crazy logs into his Fitbit dashboard clicks the sleep button and it goes LOL adam in fact my sleep LOL no i bet you if i see you have to have a bed time since we're since we're completing this little round of tangent certainly if i am not asleep by 4am it's gonna be a lot it was because you guys are all like when you as you guys probably all go well I know Joe doesn't go to bed super late typically I don't think right oh yeah except I have a more like a one am kind of guy no I I stopped talking to all of you guys at 1i yeah I said all of you are super super late i'm pretty much the opposite but then again i'm also up usually at like four or five in the morning well i'm going right nicely padded psyched I'm waking up usually when you people are going to bed you people yeah yeah that's raises nocturnus says to the other two white guys in the Filipino you people yeah but yeah yeah you know I'm a one of those people who can easily switch my schedule though my sleeps well you know that I mean I was when we were at CES I easily you know switched over to being up till four in the morning oh yeah you know I I could switch back that that was rough when I got back home which back again oh yeah I can imagine and I remember to like I think one night it was just me and you up because you were writing and I was editing like I remember that's god well you don't you know during events Josh doesn't even sleep he like takes like micro sleeps like he'll be like working and then just like crash and then like about 20 minutes later he's up and he's working again like he didn't even miss a beat almost 2 million people like that it works very well for him but I would like to say that I was all by design but how obvious it was it and I always just wake up two hours later from a quick nap saying the name of the phone that I'm trying to hit for the little G flex 2 0 over here i'm i'm actually trying to like the main development for me is there a couple funny videos coming up I I have a couple videos one for android authority in one technically for myself on the car that I got to review now the funny situation with this car it's we got it from Hyundai and it's a it was a beautiful car hyundai sonata limited edition not limited edition but said limited on the back because i had everything in it thirty-two thousand dollar card for everything that it was it came with that's a really good price and that would be part of my car view that I'm doing for sort of a personal endeavor of my own but the main crux of it was we were supposed to review Android auto they brought us a car without it it was the worst thing like it was the worst thing at the time and then they said well I mean you did sign for two weeks so go ahead and just use the car and we'll talk about getting you android auto later it's like all right so I started looking at their blu link gap and that's what the video is going to be about and what smart phone connectivity is like in cars right now are the systems we have better or could they still be better than what Android auto can can can offer so that's kind of what's going on there but aside from that I'm trying my best to finally get back into gaming again I have these peaks and valleys where I game a lot and then I don't because one thing that I'll be proud to say on the podcast right now is actually we're going to e3 yes yes we are yeah so we're all super stoked about that finally you guys can come to my neck of the woods in LA and we'll have a good time and a side note 16 17 18 that's III 19 my birthday in June so yeah for me it was awesome too because my birthday is at june seven oh man so i turned 30 so it's like lots of Awesome 30th birthday present there you go yeah for sure antiques dreams come true i mean i've been obsessing about III since back in the days when you uh you know you opened up you did order to get you three news you opened up magazine that came like a week later Game Informer or something yeah there be a game informer yes I had a subscription to game yeah man reeju back back then there you didn't have you know I mean yes the internet existed but a lot of people didn't have you know reliable you know well even when I was little it didn't really exist that much I mean not like it does today it was very different yeah and so yeah these III events were I mean they were there were articles but like video no good luck with the hat I'm not sure you know a dial-up connection good luck watching video I mean I know for I mean uh if i'm not mistaken Joey or you're coming along this trip right i'm going to try folks okay um so you know given that Joe will be hopefully be there obviously we're gonna culturally you know android gaming android apps that are being shown you know bull but we're obviously gonna you know branch off and see all the games that we want to see but obviously yeah we're visiting Nintendo I've already made that very clear to Darcy we're going to the done though darn it well I've been trying to keep up with what will possibly be shown there I see ya there obviously certain games that are super like like like really anticipated and one in particular that I'm anticipating is the witcher 3 um now I never finished the witcher 1 and I'm like a third into which or two so I was like I have to start gaming against a catch up so I'm not behind when I could eat three so I picked up a couple games the other day I got shadow of mordor before three already came out know which would 3 wild hunt that's gonna it didn't come out already it's it's not it's uncommon for upcoming someone's off to the googles Yeah right where is it you know yeah this is how much we don't want to talk about our topic this week for 15 minutes because I swear I saw it on Steam the other day unless it was just like no pre order dated pretty honor that's what oh is it is the I see ya it doesn't matter to me anyway because i still haven't beat sure to that's our need to go back and do that exactly i reinstalled it on my steam and i wanna i really want to get into it that way i know it's coming yeah I guess you're right it doesn't come until when is it coming that I mean asked me right around then right cuz it's been well ok well I just looked at it it says may 19 so it's gonna be there before but before e3 so I say I thought it was coming soon yeah so technically i'm wrong but still I'm trying to catch either of us were right we're really bad about dates around here so maybe 19 ok so that's fine but at the same time you know I want to make sure to catch up with a lot of stuff so that you know when I go there I'm not I'm not so behind on games that I can't talk to anybody about him and stuff like that so you know picking of that Mortal Kombat ten I'm really hoping to get started on that soon more Kombat X rather but yeah you know it's just small update on my side and just just kind of excited to say that we're all that we're going to be able to go to e3 and see what happens there um but ok now we can go ahead and jump into our topic brushy you uh we went back to our poll for today right yep all right how did the results go on that pole um pretty much everyone wanted to talk about project Phi or fee as that Joe calls it um but there were a lot of people who in the comments that said that they wanted that you know they were hoping that we talked about some of the others too just because project fee is or Phi now I'm saying he tall table it was off the tongue better than projects 50 plus you know a plus B doesn't have that douchey connotation that like you get from like a frat house like I'm from Kappa beta phi hahaha well I subscribe to project file like nope p screw you see it struck me the other Road you know fee fie foe fum their levels no wireless carriers the big giant in the room right anyway you know what that's like right that's that's a great connection but you know the it's not you know it's it's us specific that is the specific thing and obviously we have a lot of you know listeners that are not in the US so you know so you guys one of the least touch on some of the other stuff but I mean I think it's still interesting even you know to everyone but it obviously is more kind of a u.s. you know topic well I was I was thinking about it a lot today and to be honest I do actually think we can fill the hour with project Phi and um they're gonna be a number of different ways that we can look at it but since you the fans wanted us to talk about it that's the other reason why I was like let's let's see how far we can go with this also um so to start us off crush was the one who did the article basically reporting on the the emergence of project file want you going to give us a rundown as to what exactly this is oh sure you're gonna put me on the spot alright so basically uh I mean who hasn't heard it I mean all the rumors were going long before it ever got announced but basically Google is started its own MVNO and it's using sprint and tmobile networks with a combination of Wi-Fi the idea is to create a network that can seamlessly switch between them and if i'm not mistaken without dropping the call basically is the idea so you know you can be in the middle of a call at all of a sudden oh you have a stronger Wi-Fi connection it pulls you on and get you don't lose anything you know where you were at and there's a lot of other little perks involved like if you bought it spritz prepaid so let's say you by five gigabytes of data but you only use three gigabytes well they'll refund you heck even if you use like three point two gigabytes they'll refund you the difference you know they don't round up or anything and so basically the idea is to get a service where you're going to be covered by someone pretty much everywhere you go is the idea with no drop you know dead drops or whatever you want to call it yeah it's pretty much the rundown this it's pretty straightforward and it's it's there's also like I said there's them they're opening up things like you can use it in 120 plus countries obviously it's still only for us people but if they're traveling abroad also there's some cool stuff like to use any device that you have hangouts installed you can you can use with a project Phi you have to have a nexus 6 phone at the moment um but that's probably right now it's invite-only program kind of like like the in ba inbox by Gmail was but i think by the time it opens up to the public you know widespread i imagine we'll see you know samsung galaxy s6 and other partners you know come on board yeah shocked if we didn't well to be fair the Nexus 6 has that functionality built in but it's cuz yeah it works with sprint it works with yeah I had all the right carrier stuff and so it was just set up perfectly which was interesting to me because it seemed to me that Google had some forward-thinking when it was building the Nexus 6 00 i'm sure i'm sure they were planning this long before you know came announced i mean we've been hearing rumors about this for you know really it different rumors about this for years ya know it you know to some degree you know that for years we've been hearing or how Google was gonna get involved in the wireless karabus and so I'm sure you know you know they don't just wake up one day say hey let's do this now you know I'm sure this was years in planning and so the Nexus 6 would probably planned all along for this yeah definitely a few a few details so even if the Nexus 6 is the only device that be able to switch between the different networks they obviously being Wi-Fi hotspots like imagine at starbucks or tmobile or sprints just to be able to jump among among those the other core functionality of it not even mentioning the data plans the actual cost of the service and the ability to use it across all Google Hangouts I imagine those will be able to be used on any device you just have to have that yeah that's some good that was kind of my ex I didn't really clarify it but yeah anything as Google Hangouts you can use with your number so like you could call someone from your laptop using your number even if your phones in another room or you know heck it's not even anywhere near you you know miles away exactly so that's kind of cool it's like it's like google voice on a SIM cards as well simply well that's basically what they did is they use that technology and then you know when that got baked into hangouts you know basically it's utilizing that part of that technology for it okay and just one last clarification detail of 20 bucks gets you unlimited talk and text and then it's ten dollars per every gig there we go and then you get refunded if you don't use a certain amount of eggs all right cool so with all of that in mind so now Google is jumping into the wireless game and yes they are piggybacking off of the networks that sprint and t-mobile have that's part of the reason why they are able to go to 120 plus countries with 2g connectivity that's what t-mobile does so I'm gonna throw it to our other guys feisty let's start with you any general let's start off with some general reactions how do you feel about project Phi with all these details we have this far I'm going to split this up into two parts first you're going to get my initial reaction when I first read it what are you guys thinking seriously why are you doing this it's terrible my initial reaction was this is horrid well you know it's limited to one phone I know more will come but it's limited to one phone it's an invite system the price tag is pretty much what you're going to pay anywhere else anyways you stick with tmobile for example you can already go to those 220 other countries and there was one little piece of wording in here that was like for twenty dollars a month you get unlimited talk text and usage of your own Wi-Fi that you're already paying for oh that's why I added that at the end yeah uh you know it's just you guys said it you know part two I've had a chance to a day and a half to think about it now and it makes sense it's a great evolution of where google voice into hangouts has been going but it it's not revolutionary it's good it's not revolutionary and I can't use it now a personal note I look at their coverage map as I look at any of the other coverage maps I live just outside of a big city not far out by by the way just outside but it's kind of a mountainous area and i get 0 signal at my house zero whatsoever from any of these carriers so i'm already using the Wi-Fi over the hangouts that's my only option does that make you know project phi good for me I don't know i'm i mean i've already i'm already using it so to speak for free I just add yeah um I'm stuttering on out of frustration because I don't like what I'm seeing so far ok so well I mean did the coverage that t-mobile and Sprint have or rather lack it is one of the glaring problems with this particular thing I mean I I know a bunch of people I think crush aren't you on verizon for that particular reason or um no there are a lot of people my area I'm actually on AT&T Oh your knees well actually I'm not on ATM on cricket because AT&T sucks but it's the same thing it's yeah they're using the same networks right well a cricket is owned by AT&T yeah so well yeah the UH it's the coverage map and I I did feel that way also I kept thinking to myself all I live in LA obviously so this is a huge hub for out for tmobile and I only ever really frequent places that you would have that kind of coverage same thing with sprint it would seem to me that if Google really wanted to make a splash with this particular program they would want you know 18 T and Verizon and I guess something we can touch on a little bit later is whether or not they would be able to reel in those people but obviously t-mobile and Sprint have been friendly as to the Google ecosystem how about you Joe how do you feel about project fee will uh will do it properly for each person baby thank you no I'm gonna do this feisty style and go with my initial reaction and then after I thought about it my initial reaction was actually 180 degrees from feisty I was so excited I was like project fee fie foe Frick um I'm so excited about this here cuz like yo I'm used to seeing what Google has done in so many other ecosystem obel and what Google Drive did to cloud storage and you know what Google Plus did the social networking and I'm like they're gonna do the same thing to wireless carriers and then part two I read about what they're going to do and I was like well this is very disappointing that this is that scene in the bedroom where the guys all like I swear to go there's never happened to me before it's exactly like that and um and then as I continue bringing a par three now part 3 what is what Abel is it figured it out it's it's it's an average MVNO you know like other NVA knows charge right around the same thing I mean you can get what would be the equivalent to you know it's unlimited whatever blah blah through straight talk and all that stuff for like 50 60 bucks and and then I had time to think about it the more I think about project fee the more I don't like it like there's just more things about it that just kind of like you know shake my angry bushes and um I don't know why I just said that right but like it's those things like you have to look and you look at the whole Google ecosystem you know they you know are the the e cosa and Android itself you know they did the next s where they you know drop the SD card slot they wanted people to be more cloud oriented they have google play music and you know Google Drive and Google Docs were all cloud based stuff Google is all web and then they come in charge you for web connection like that doesn't make any sense to me it's like a catch-22 so the more ingrained you are into Google services the more Google's mobile service is going to cost you like just Google is going to cost you even more money with you and that seems really messed up to me especially from a company that you know over the last year has been launching balloons into almost space to beam Wi-Fi down to this planet for free and then to come out with something like this where it's 10 gigabyte or one or ten dollars per gigabyte and at the end of the day this is how I look at it what you get is you get accessed for you know unlimited talk and text for twenty dollars and zero gigabytes of data and then anything that use after that is overage charges is essentially all it is overage charges for what you for what data you use it's off of Wi-Fi and it's essentially republic Wireless but more expensive what you get refunded for what gigs in that ten dollar span that extra ten dollar span like like grocery said if you use if you go over one gigabyte and then you use maybe like point2 of a gigabyte you get those eight dollars back is what that look equated yes yeah so well I mean I look at other you know I mean there are most people and I understand that most people don't use more than three four five six gigs a month um but everybody I know and this is anecdotal I I just said that this is anecdotal so anybody in the youtube comments will get mad at me for this everybody I know uses between 10 and 40 gigs of data every month like my brother doesn't have cable TV he watches netflix on his phone oh I what to ask who are these people oh yeah this is a good to cuz I don't even hardly use like a half a gig I mean I don't know I sit in front of a dual screen monitor desktop on a 50 megabit connection all day long and I still use 10 gigs a month and I think of cuz you know my brother is on my t-mobile plane because we have that two lines unlimited everything for a hundred dollars oh yeah and if if we moved to project fee my phone bill this month would be over five hundred dollars and you know it oh yeah i'm using 50.2 gigabytes thanks for the eight bucks back you freaking bankrupting jerk-offs like it would cost me more than brent what the hell is eight dollars back going to do for me so you know it's it's one of those things where you know project eight it just just like pretty much everything else google has done you know it's for a certain type of person if you travel a lot if you don't use a lot of mobile data you know if you're really ingrained into google services but not so much that you're like streaming music on google music all day long then it's going to you know then i suppose it could probably be pretty good but at the end of the day like I just it just doesn't feel like a step forward in any meaningful way outside I mean there's a couple cool little features like the switching between the networks and the Wi-Fi is kind of cool I guess and I heard from somewhere that they do a VPN to like there's VPN built into it hmm and I you're like oh man that's gonna be so cool people need more VPN like of course I need VPN they're being freaking they're they're jacking into Wi-Fi networks on the random like you're gonna need protection if you're gonna force somebody on to you know a random starbucks as they're driving by you don't know who's on that starbucks connection at your drive you could be in the ski be part of town it could be like a jerk in there trying to snip your packets and stuff so I mean I don't consider the VPN something like revolutionary or innovative I think it's something that has to be there for this not to be the worst idea of all time yeah i agree with that part and and you know what i do agree with with your assessment like if you are the kind of person who uses let's say more than five gigabytes at any given month then i agree that that hope you probably will not like the pricing the pricing tier of project phi um but that being said though okay so i have tmobile and ATT the main reason being because i just like to have two phones on me like let's say half the time I don't do it all the time but I have I have them available and I pay like 90 bucks from my t-mobile because I paid the extra for tethering and then ATT I just keep it pretty base even with the ATT base that I have I feel like if I only use let's say three gigabytes knowing that i'm using Wi-Fi at home I'm locally downloading my google play music so i'm not really streaming it i could save like 50 bucks alone compared to my t-mobile my t-mobile plan now of course tethering is a whole different story and they haven't talked that but the thing that makes me laugh about this is the very people who could benefit the most from it or not the people who would know the most about project Phi yeah no you know what I mean ya know you were nerds we use lots of mobile data we are on the internet frequently project Phi is not for us that's the crazy actually I don't know I would almost consider it personally but see like i said i don't i'm at home most of the time you know or well you know like Wi-Fi like every other person your age krushi you're not you know you don't use your your mobile for uh for the facebooks and uh candy crush's like us kids good well and I do it I do stuff on Wi-Fi and I am old that is true hahaha dude you're not even two years older than me not on a 10 year yeah told you you know it must be true guys you know you made me think how could people even live with you said that you have people in your family Joe that don't have a connection besides there I don't know how you could even do that and I just looked you had me curious I just looked up how many gigabytes i use on time warner and last month was 600 gigs so do i can get over that there's a project at arab aight almost every month but that's bad might before that was a terrible well is between the netflix in the YouTube ins I mean I find out a lot of 60 I don't know a lot of steam games and stuff oh yeah that'll do it too but hello the problem is and we don't even wear cord cutters too so yeah too but I'm not trying to tell like a sob story or anything but you know my brother you know he works one of them you know fast food fast foody kind of jobs and doesn't make the cash money's been so yeah I mean yeah and you know I mean work together on a phone plan you know he Forks out 50 bucks a month and gets internet and essentially cable TV well not essentially cable TV but you know television content you know and then adding actual cable television an actual internet that is comparable to the 40 megabits you know internet that he gets from t-mobile would cost him an extra one hundred and twenty dollars a month and I mean he just doesn't want to do that he doesn't have you know that much extra leeway in his paychecks I've known people who've done that all sigh I had a friend a year ago whose mother she she just basically her entire digital life was on a note 2 and it was via t-mobile's unlimited plans and whatnot and she had just just a fine time with it you know I shudder to think how much that woman would be spending on project Phi good lord ya know exactly like you look into those other use cases and and the reason why I bring up such use cases cuz i know not a lot of people are like that right now but that's the way it's gonna be in the future you know and like not like too far into the future either and i guess that gives google time to change unless they really want to like keep this and you know i don't even know how to pronounce the word a lot i've only ever seen as well niche niche niche yeah niche okay sorry I'm an idiot sometimes and that's one of those nice nice nice nike alright so okay but it is really an IG product somewhere near out is sneezing got have Americans um but uh you know it's you look into the future everything's on the cloud everything is you know in cloud storage everything is being streamed these days and it's just gonna get more and more prevalent and I think that when you have a mobile service that doesn't embrace that inevitable future as sling TV mm um I think it's just I think it's a step backwards especially you know and it's disappointing especially from google a company that has so many times over the last 15 years been the catalyst for giant steps forward including the giant step forward to the cloud which makes this step backward even possible well to me it's okay so well one thought that came to mind there is okay so something I've I when I first saw this I I did think this is sort of like a half a hat I like that like a like a half-completed idea and gosh that is how i roll all the time just go with a pro okay this is like a half-completed idea they have the right they have the right idea they just haven't really hash tout all of the details yet now the part of it that I think is really great is that they're basically telling the wireless carriers and I'm going to get into this a little bit later with you guys they're pretty much telling the wireless carrier is that their current models suck and maybe the only one may be the only one that doesn't really fit that description at the moment is t-mobile because they have been doing some pretty great stuff but then again t-mobile is the one that has been the catalyst for change in other carriers like you know the ATT next program you know not having to pay the subsidy or not having to worry about the subsidies name or just pay the phone little by little over two years instead of you know getting roped into a contract now everyone's doing it even verizon's doing it of all people and now Google is trying to create this change where they're trying to consolidate the network's while providing an easy-to-understand wireless service now the whole idea of it going from why fights it let's say 4G and back again you know without any drops or anything like that that's more of a nerdy side but but that makes me think that I think Google what they're trying to do is future proof their product their service for the idea that Wi-Fi hotspots now now you guys can chime in after I say this if you don't agree with me or if or if you do Wi-Fi hotspots will probably become just as ubiquitous as the mobile networks themselves oh yeah you definitely will yeah they definitely will it's that the problem is is that you know public Wi-Fi is like the number one security risk for all people surfing the web outside of their homes well that's why they had the language in there that said especially places with Google Fiber I remember that was specifically put into that into into their literature google fiber that was that was a huge step forward that I mean circa you know completion date is circa 2200 at this point the year twenty two hundred and we're gonna do one metropolitan area every two years until Larry page's great-great grandchild is the CEO well I think the I mean the the whole idea that somebody uses all mobile data and that could really jack up the cost it seems to me a move that Google would have known would suck so that's why it makes me think that these mobile hot there's Wi-Fi hotspots in establishments across the country let's say like we already have starbucks and forgot six McDonald's is doing it now too they are going to be places that you'll always have a refuge and you'll always be able to in pretty much any major establishment to be able to not have to worry about using those gigabytes and have to pay so much I'm imagining a conversation at guys having with his wife someday down the road when he engages with project 5e um honey I'm gonna go run to mcdonalds why well the new season of house of cards is out in the cables down and I don't really want to pay any more from mobile data so i'm gonna go spend the rest of my evening eating apple pies and taking advantage of the free refills watching netflix like a de lo it's just it's it seems like a lot of complicated stuff like it seems like over you know over management uh uh le you know that again half completed thoughts this is how we roll at the ftp podcast folks um you know it seems like it'd be easier just to be able to stick to a connection and not have to worry about it like i mean if you want to jump from Wi-Fi to mobile that's fine you know especially if you put in the security things in there to make it viable I admit that that is a good idea but when you charge for the mobile debt when you charge so much for the mobile data um it goes right back to the same thing that people were complaining about years ago about how you know tiered data plans are stupid and how people you know can't use their phones the way they want to use them because I have to make sure instead of you know oh I don't want to go over and get charged more money now it's oh I have to go find a Wi-Fi hotspot first it's the same problem with a different name you know if on it I'm on a different page than you i don't think the pricing is that bad yeah that's what i was going to say like it is dumb it is i mean yes there are unlimited for like sprint and tmobile but if you're someone like myself who doesn't have access to t-mobile or sprint sprint a little bit but sprint I would never go back to and that's a story for another time but anyway if you don't have access to those or you're in a bad area for Sprint t-mobile there's not a whole lot of unlimited plans out there and if you look at the price if you add like two gigabytes you know you're paying two gigabytes 40 bucks by time you're done so you know you're because you're paying you know ten dollars for each gig and then the twenty dollar fee to be on fee or fire whatever live TV uh anyway that's forty dollars that's about what you're paying like cricket it's 35 and get 2.5 gigabytes so that's a little more but it's pretty comparable to other MVNOs so I think your complaint really i mean it's it's valid but i think i think we're kind of what i think basically you're real upset is that it's just not any different than any other MVNO right i mean it's not i don't think it's any worse it just may not be better well it's it's worse hey it's not and i already said that i already said that it's not any better well i know but you make it sound like they're uh charging a bajillion dollars you know compared to everyone else I don't think they are yes there are unlimited class but it's the way they're doing it you know it's the whole like you know that they try to make them they try to make something that's not that great sound great you know it's it's it's way that that's the complaint if they came up right out and said look you know we're gonna charge you for every gigabyte of data you use starting at zero you know if they were up front honest about it I probably would have stopped ranting about it five minutes ago but you know it's the whole like you know yeah we're gonna switch back and forth from Wi-Fi to you know to mobile data to save you money money that you're charging me you know it's like when a bookie like really taking a bet pair paying a bet or take a paying someone's winnings by taking another bet you know like opal the bits free because you already won this last one you know it's like it just seems like hmm i don't think project x is to save money though i don't think that's really the idea behind it no the idea it's idea of improving coverage yet you know and preventing draw my charges then why charged for data at all why not just put a flat rate there you need 20 you know like they could have done it a lot of different ways is what I'm saying is they could have done the twenty dollars and then Wi-Fi only they could have done thirty dollars for a gig you know forty dollars two gigs and then like is certainly the thing and then it is sort of nice to see what it doesn't know how many different and then and a certain point just say screw it unlimited data so that so this is like me can i change this can enjoy the expanded networks can enjoy that the new technology and not have to stay behind it where i am now because i use too much data for it well that's the thing like I I realized that we were gonna get to that point I think that we have been spoiled by the word unlimited we we completely have been because if there's one thing that that that really makes the phone carriers that the while the mobile carriers clamp down on their customers more than anything it's the cost of data the cost of bandwidth and one thing we've never done for users is help educate them on how to keep their mobile costs down now obviously it's not something like water that is a resource that we have to really especially here in California for God's sake it's something that we have to actually conserve but the same time it is the same thing that will make these wireless carriers uh you know bump up the prices on everything and it makes it makes all of it makes everything more expensive when there's no bandwidth to go around and just the cost of being able to send it all out I think we're spoiled by the word unlimited to be honest and if somebody is able to learn how to use the Wi-Fi at home and then maybe only use two gigabytes well there's forty dollars and otherwise an unlimited plan would cost 55 and they're already saving fifteen dollars based upon how much they were going to use that month anywhere that's just that's just my thought I honestly do think that the word unlimited is thrown around way to watch when it comes to mobile that's one of those things it's a wholly different conversation but the problem isn't that it cost them too much is that they're still developing their infrastructure and they're doing it at a not very good they're not doing it they're not upgrading their infrastructure to meet with demands because you know that this whole thing has happened with the ISPs already and uh in my neck of the woods the only ISP that still throttles data is AT&T u-verse nobody else cares because they have the bandwidth there because they they made the proper adjustments to their infrastructure they limit people to speeds and this is this is the thing that I don't understand why does white if bandwidth is such a huge deal if not everybody can have them you know all the data is why aren't people like you know white just drop it down to 25 megabits like we need any more than that you know instead of limiting how much data we can consume why not just limit the speed of the data that we already have so that more people can access it um for those who don't know bandwidth is essentially like a freeway you know and only so much data can come through it but if everyone's limited to just a certain number of roads on that giant freeway then there's more space for everybody instead of everybody trying to gain as much as humanly possible cuz I saw somebody who's getting like 90 megabit on a t-mobile LTE connection why why you don't need that I agree with HD on netflix on a 6 megabit connection you don't need more than 25 and lock it down to 25 to you know 25 down slow angry Joe smash it is because no I think the idea that I have to watch how much data i use every month is freaking absurd like I'm sorry like you know the whole spoiled by a limited I'm probably spoiled by and limited I'll give you that one but uh it's it's a it's the internet this is 2015 we live in an era where everything is on the internet and by limiting the amount of data that people are allowed to have every month it's essentially saying you can only have so much you know internet at it I it's just it's so silly to me no I agree and I and I and don't get me wrong i'm not i'm not advocating for everyone to be limited but you know it's just this whole idea that people get up in arms whenever either on the one and you brought up another good point like on the one hand if you take away this idea of unlimited people get pissed if you have if you have this idea that everyone gets this super high-speed but in avila even even to your point even if we were to slow down people speeds in order to open up the traffic for everybody rather than worry about how much data worried about the speed that everyone does there's oh man there's gonna be so many so many pissed-off people then why is my why is my phone not going at 99 miles per hour why is it not going at 20 right at that point well here's the thing there are already so many pissed-off people I had a guy on Google+ today literally chew me out over this because he's sick and tired of going into the city and having you know his data just drops down to like 56k speeds because it's a huge congested area and I guess you know he was coming from the same frame mind that you are where people are paying for data than they're using less data and then congested areas get to ease up a little bit my idea you know I mean it's the same thing we're at the end of the day the ideas reach for the same goal to ease up the congestion right yeah thanks for bein if you think about it that's what buys anything for is that if that guy is getting bad you know bad data would switch to different cellular network in he'd no longer have the issue and also if he's going to be paying 10 bucks per gigabyte it'll be more to the point I was making earlier not necessarily saying that this is ideal for everybody but if everybody is aware of how much they're going to end up spending then it would also use up the traffic in that way as well true I don't know I mean I guess to me I just feel like the I understand how ambient you know I think I don't think it's affordable for an MVNO to offer unlimited data I think they you know because they're you know they're buying you know their data in buckets basically from carriers and I just don't think that's that that's feasible at this point maybe eventually but I think at this point it's not you know and because I mean no one's I mean no MVNO has has unlimited it's not a single like correct sir who is okay with straight to a simple mobile go ahead what was that Phi C go ahead sorry I'm with simple mobile it is unlimited now they do throttle it after your monthly at X amount okay yes actually you're right there are quite a few that have well even I think cricket is technically it's just that you get like a 128k after lose your amount but i don't think that i guess i don't consider that truly unlimited because I mean it's crappy after a little while so you might as well it can still look it it can still load a facebook feed you know or you know it so you can still post a tweet on on a 2g network and you know what's funny good point so something I just thought of if google it I care you know what this whole conversation could have been avoided if Google had done one thing if they had given us free 2g ya mean I sex like yeah you're right if it would have had put a toggle in there turn off the 4g let me surf on the Wi-Fi you know on the wifis for free and then the 2g network for free well and avoid the 4g networks entirely and not charge for it how awesome would that be though who's you know that i used to say that that's not the case right now though well yeah I mean honestly they haven't fully announced everything you have to realize that it's not available for another like week like one cricket was first well back when it was a yo wireless or whatever uh they weren't very specific on their terms but then it came out to light that yes you could continue to use it after you use juice your base amount and so who knows I mean considering sprint and t-mobile both have the structure for that it may be you know cuz we might be making we might be making you know an issue out of something that isn't an issue it's hard to say at this point I'm willing to bet that Google will that the project fire is going to take on that model where you put in the money that is then used and then when that money runs out yeah you know I I think cuz that's a pretty common way of doing pay as you go ah like yeah I wanted to do a temperature check over there feisty how are you doing in a front row seat into this heavyweight bout yeah I'm sorry yeah we Joe and I kind of don't know no problem it was letting you guys set the groundwork so you realize it is Friday sunny day picnic podcast guys supposed to be friends process of trying to find a new name for the show and for everything for all you fans who have been using hashtag fdp I'm sorry if that does change the near future no but yeah well I just got your popcorn yeah I I wonder like real bag you guys do realize I don't think it's a bad idea I don't think probably cuz this it's something I've had to deal with all day two days people like well you obviously think it sucks no no I think its lackluster I don't think that I just think it's boring it's it's not in my own personal my own personal opinion on it is I actually agree with you you know I never actually stayed in my opinion I think it's a great concept but implementation yeah i agree with you i don't think it's exciting to me it's no better and no worse than any other MVNO it's there's get ipad i mean to me but what I'm excited about is their technology behind it the idea to seamlessly switch between is really potentially useful especially coming from where I live okay I envision a network whether it's you know project Phi or whether it's someone else eventually that can give me this and maybe no one can wear imagine if you had one you know service that could seamlessly you know that bought basically minutes from all the major carriers and even like regional carriers like US cellular and ghost handoff between all of them and so basically no matter where you went while traveling you would be guaranteed to get something you know even it wasn't a great connection you would always have a connection and you know you would have you know minimal drops for me I live in a small for those who don't know obviously all you guys who were you know host you know no but for our listeners I live in a cornfield basically we don't have houses around here they're just kept cornfields and cow okay a little more than that but I live in a small town in the Midwest near a big city but not in the city anyway um I have where I'm at in my town there is a TT coverage there's a rise and their sprint there's usle there's everyone but t-mobile but you go 20 minutes over and there's a town where US cellular is it in fact there's actually a whole like section where US cellular is it um all around me US cellular and I don't have you a cellular so I just when I'm in those areas I just go off grid basically um or go to people's my friends who live in that area I just use their Wi-Fi connections and whatnot and so to me the idea of something that could just seamlessly jump on to us several years network and then jump back to verizon's and then jump back to that's awesome you know and I'm sure there's many other people out there who live in these areas that were the where you may not have access to really strong just one carrier you know dominating the area and that would feel the same as me I mean I would be willing to pay a premium for that you know and so to me the technology of being able to unite all the networks basically under one service is awesome and that's what I'm excited about it's not necessarily project Phi or fee or foe it's what it's capable of the technology behind it basically if that makes sense yeah no gesture certainly does yes and that's it isn't it the weird thing that was like they had that technology you're right is really cool like I really liked you you know the idea of being able to jump from from the thing I don't like being charged a whole bunch more than I pay now for it but I like the idea and I like the premise and I even like the built-in security tools like the built in VPN to keep yourself safe on the Wi-Fi networks is really really awesome what's weird is that this despite all of that project Phi is still average I'm going to defend them a little bit here I'm going to defend google just a bit and basically my argument is on what Grusha was talking about the infrastructure of course in Portland here were a potential Google Fiber town and I've been watching how they're getting everything implemented now of course they're laying their own lines where needed and putting up their own substations whatnot it's a struggle and what one of the biggest things making it possible here in Portland is that the metro system is offering up for free use of their stations and their lines and they're there along the tracks that can lay lines for free while and I mean that's huge absolutely huge and that's the one of the only reasons that it's going to if it even comes to be because of some other political stuff if it comes to be that's one of the only reasons it will happen and that's kind of where Google is stuck right now I think if politically speaking they could launch their own equipment their own actual infrastructure to give Wi-Fi and to give cellular to this country and never mind the rest of the world sorry let's talk about the u.s. just for now if they could do that I think that they would isn't it in Mountain View somebody'll have to correct me if i'm wrong or look this up but i'm pretty sure in mountain view google had set up an entire free wireless to the entire city and politically whoever it was the you know the telcos of some sort came in and lobbied and had it shut down so google had to turn off free wireless to the city just you know because the paying telcos and the ones that were accustomed to have gouges for money are the ones that blocked them and just like you know moving forward project five it's a you know they're an mvno they're not their own telco and they're stuck at you guys already said this but you know they're purchasing the minutes and the bandwidth from the other companies if giving it for free isn't really what they can do here is it's a little bit out of their hands oh no I can do prefer kind of a Joe touched all not for free but cheaper and stuff you know what I mean everything you were asking for Joe is it if they could do it but it would have to be at a loss because of what crush you said they've they've got to pay upstream for the service in the first place I know well you know I think my don't mind paying for unlimited down like I don't mind paying what it would take to give me unlimited data on that network I'm just upset that I don't have that option that I can't make that switch to something as potentially awesome his project feisty could be they don't suck and I can't use it I can't use in until they give me an unlimited data option I can never use it and that's it's frustrating you know kiss you just said you know Google's bottleneck they have to do this thing dude if they charge ninety dollars a month for unlimited data I'd switch to it no problem I thought I do right now he's lonely yeah it was no I don't mind switching you know to something new and something better but if I'm switching to something that's gonna ultimately cost me more money for what is essentially until the infrastructure that Google's trying to work out here gets finished um I mean it's just asking me to pay more money for the same kind of stuff and it is uh you know oh and you got to think of the battery drain to switching from network to network all day long you know they all technology supposedly because that they did mention that supposedly they have some kind of way to help with that so it's not an issue supposedly I did a way to help with the nexus 5 camera yeah like I said that they suppose well again the really and the memory leak and lollipop look well again this is when I see it after I graduate that's why i said--that's why I didn't that's why i said supposedly it's a buzz ah but that's the thing like just real quick sorry Gracie I just wanted to say like it's almost self-defeating for Google to call it project 5 rather than something that's completed you know that's exactly what I was saying is that something we all touched on earlier this is not a complete idea exactly part of an idea but you know Google does that a lot it's um I think it's about the long term here this is to set up you know for the days when they do have you know google fiber and maybe even blue you know balloons in the air that you know beaming down Wi-Fi I think it's to set up for you know what will happen in a decade from now not necessarily you know and I think there's just a baby step and a way to kind of test it and let's just face it i mean will be honest here most of google stuff our beta tests you know most of their you basically by the you know you're buying into being a beta tester i'm a lot of things oh yeah for sure to google that's the phone no devil and I acknowledge it it's you know I I do acknowledge this an experimental thing too I just you know I just kind of wish they were a little bit more like you know google music with it instead of yeah you know like Verizon with it well I think the nut I do think it's kind of funny if you think about it that in this one step basically Google found a way to complete sprint and t-mobile merger on their own Erina that's basically what they did but you know I kind of like I said the technology the idea to switch between um I was thinking just for those who are still hanging in on with us that are not us-based I was even thinking like the technology from granted I don't know a lot about European carriers are just know basics so anyone who knows a little more weigh-in but you know i know that in Europe there are quite a few carriers I mean tons compared to what we're used to yeah and the idea of this kind of technology uniting carriers like you know if they were like you know in a country like Romania for example where are one of our editors Bogdan lives I know there's several the quite a few he's talked about and the idea for like some of those to unite with some of the small carriers in like you know the neighboring countries you know near Romania if there could all enter into some kind of similar sharing program where could jump back and forth I don't know the technology is what I'm excited about I guess because I think it has a lot of Merit beyond just the u.s. even you know yeah they're essentially turning the main carriers and that the ones who'll the spectrum into um Oh what are they called not the ISPs but the ones the ISPs get the internet from mmm what do they got everyone off top I know your yeah I'm being the the gods of the Internet essentially I don't think you know and think this is another was half-baked ideas that we have here on the ftp podcast um what if google's just trying to turn the major carriers into the internet gods of the mobile space you know instead of interfacing directly with customers just interface directly with somebody like Google to switch back and forth between the networks at will and I think that'd be awesome if like they're that big really good the system I said oh never get wait for it I would love that I think that there would be really hard to get the carriers to cooperate at this level but it would be amazing if there was a future where you could like basically have a service where you don't necessarily it hops into all of them and they just pay whoever instead of signing up for these carriers google or whoever pays these carriers for hey okay this this much was used on your network and basically we no longer directly sign up for any of the carriers that would be awesome you know we are really it's exactly what unfortunately um no one would want to get along that's the thing I i love that feisty was able to say part about that because it makes it makes complete sense that these phone companies is wireless this wireless carriers would would would blow back on a plan like this if Google did want to sort of put everyone under an umbrella but even on the other side of the coin uh we're saying that Google is going to unite all of these carriers and it's going to be a good thing but also there's the whole idea that Google might new it's always a problem with google the whole idea that it is a monopoly and if it was able to succeed in uniting the carriers I mean there's always gonna be blowback on that too so what if it was more like an approach like basically which is what kind of Joe was saying I think what if it was an idea basically the idea of right now you know you have multiple isps and they dial into the same you know internet and the what are your four giant carriers that cover all of North America yeah what if it was basically the same concept like you had four or five different companies Google whoever else got involved and then they dealt with these networks so Verizon instead of being a carrier and ATT instead of being carrier we're basically just parts of that network and when very soon we use that part they would get paid you know unfortunately like I said this is an awesome idea in a way but we know it's it's it's not it'll never happen because it's never ever gonna happen because I figured a way to opera that level yeah well profit too they need what they could I think they could make a profit off of it you know it it's just digging deeper into it you know like they'd be able to light fire all of their customer service reps they would need to make my stories anymore they could dedicate all of that stuff instead of having an awesome network yeah I'm creating their infrastructure and that would ultimately get rid of the congestion issue that makes Josh hate unlimited data so much I do not enjoy it and just like that we solved the whole carrier problem I have one more concept to throw in there at you crushing and this is more for Joe with than anything I like things you need you've mentioned and I saw your Google+ stream earlier today as well you know your focus was that you know Google is putting out this in certain terms expensive network and there at the same time they offer all of their services that eat so much data what if google did not charge for data to their services that would help talk about monopoly sure but that might change things around t-mobile's already doing with music streaming yeah they don't charge for the certain music streaming services it's actually really great um see I don't know how I'd feel about that because my biggest it down the biggest net uses Netflix personally but any know that be actually really cool it throw in some throwing some google drive space along with it unfettered a data access to the Google services that would actually be a pretty nifty idea I like that that's something unique at least so yeah basically we get some of the idea that there was a lot of potential in project x it's just that the current implementation is implementation did I say that right yeah yeah implement yeah I'm getting tired ha it's a dress implementation by they should be uh anyway uh it's just that right now what we have is weak you know it's funny the way you say it because we technically don't even have it yet true I mean we're kind of speculating I mean cuz and you know what what we get during the initial you know stage well they'd well just an invite program and what we get when it becomes a public program could be very different to you know yeah are not necessarily it could look very very different who knows he'll maybe they could get AT&T or Verizon to jump in to at that point the amazing to me yeah good luck but well I mean but they AT&T and Verizon have mvno services so I mean it's possible um I you know I'm sure it would be more it would raise the prices even more than Joe would have even more to Hulk smash about if they did that all right they did that and skyrocketed the prices and you guys want to talk about into a podcast you'd have to invite lon for that week cuz just like I'm not attending no you know and it's not just like cuz I don't want to it's because I don't think you guys want me to admit that there are times were up there are people who don't want to be in the same room as I am and that would be one of those days Joe smash I can't wait for you three if you go yeah that's gonna be fun there's gonna be really fun alright cool well thoroughly and spiritedly we've we've talked about projects five um we're on a roll with these podcasts these days man I love it but in any case I imagine that we've covered it so all viewed all of the let's say two thousand people who voted on that pole I think over fifty percent asked for project fine and you got it ah so uh thank you for listening to the Friday debate podcast fdp as you can hashtag it on social media of course um as for next week I did want to put this out there um I will be in New York for for the LG launch and yeah I will be back in time to be able to do an episode but I'm gonna put this out there I'm still trying to figure out the logistics because obviously the time around the launch is going to be really hectic there's a yeah there's a possibility that now the main possibility is I come back on time on on Wednesday and Thursday and be able to record with us our usual panel by then hopefully you guys or anyone who any one of our fellow writers and youtubers are going to have seen my videos right and we can talk at length about the LG g4 um but the the more fun thing that I feel like might happen is I might be able to get a few of our industry friends in on a podcast as well if you remember we did one at Mobile World Congress with pocket now and nicole scott from mobile geeks so i've actually been talking to some people who i know i'm going to be seeing at the LG lunch so that might happen as well so we'll keep you posted on that but in any case we will still have the poll 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