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hello everybody and welcome to the Friday debate podcast by android authority discussing topics in android every week I'm of course your host for the fdp Joshua vagar from android authority what's going on everybody and this week we have a pretty light topic for the fdp i'm joined by Jonathan Feist our youtuber Joe Hindy and one of our lead editors andrew grush the usual architect for the Friday debate and he picked a very light topic for us thank goodness because we are all still on the road to recovery from mwc 2015 today we talk about our tech origin stories going way back in time to sort of reminisce about how we got started in tech and also pontificating about how all of that tech life has shaped who we are today as writers and youtubers for example of android authority but before we get to that I just want to do a little bit of housekeeping still if you are listening to this particular podcast on Pocket cast stitcher and iTunes thank you so much for listening and if you are 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delicious ridiculously awesome european food what do you guys been doing well it's funny cause like on the last night it was up to me to frickin put together the final get together we would like we got together with a bunch of people like pocketnow erica griffin mobile geeks and it was kind of up to me to find the place but lon and Darcy god bless them just kept telling me we're sick of tapas and I said yes all there is exactly it really is ready in Spain in Barcelona I tapas is all they have here okay that's pretty much it yeah you could go to a steak house and they'll give it to you on a small plate I mean come on man but funny so how's how's everybody been it's been a couple weeks since we've been on the cast I've had a couple of late releases I hope everyone's been okay with that but well house how how have my regular co-host bin since this mwc season is finally like died down a bit um not bad actually I had a really I feel so bad like I've everybody who is that you know who did mwc 2015 stuff I did the least I did almost nothing I did the rig in uh the hd2 the live blogs that but yeah I did that's it that's all I did for him to PC 2015 that only way morganite what I did to be honest I only got a couple posts as well yeah yeah I didn't do squat man I felt so bad everyone's like I'm so busy work at like 16 hour days I'm like I oh I spent the whole day watching anime and handle my girlfriend felt so bad I'm glad you didn't message us that that was all happening with you yeah I would have probably like shot you in the face Oh III kept quiet I think I was just like you know I'm just gonna let them go and just kind of hang out back here in the back I did oh I did do a whole bunch of apolis videos though i think i did like 10 of them i did notice that kudos to you man it's a lot of hard work I wanted to get them all out before all the mwc stuff so that way you know it wasn't like mwc video mwc video app list why now we've been fine and be nice change of pace you're just hearing me and lon all damn day like man lon hit the 1 million mark I'm proud of the guy I am super shout out to lon like we we we have such a great time like this is probably the happiest i personally have ever been at a trade show because i finally was able to split the work with somebody I I was happiest I've ever been and I wasn't there just because just because uh you know things got out so super quick it was so smooth oh yeah from the you know because from them me an administrators point of view and it was it was great i loved it i mean yeah i was busy I mean my busiest days were Sunday obviously and i think tuesday which might seem like an odd day for me it i've been busiest but i think that's when a lot of the videos were coming in maybe yes i'm still early Tuesday I worked like 16 hours ya know those were the days i mean that no yeah then sunday was crazy i think sunday was like it was like oh I was about to say day 0 was just a crazy fest and just it was course you know yeah yeah you had so many videos that day you were doing and Oh again I gotta say being able to split the work with somebody thank the freaking Lord and I can't imagine how you did it especially with like Samsung bringing out the edge and all that and I remember at the beginning of that little like brief that we have so we can get the footage early I just looked at lon and I'm like dude which one do you want and he was like I guess I'll take the edge but yeah I mean um yeah that d0 was nuts because it wasn't just all the pre briefings I mean um brushy you've been there with us on the on I in the trenches like you know how it is when certain events are going on like like the pep come and show stoppers the thing is they were all scheduled for that one Sunday yeah it was I looked at our schedule it was pretty booked yeah exactly and like even that pep com that was at the end of the day when we went over there everyone else that we knew all of our tech friends were out at Samsung's uh event still and kind of like three-quarters of them didn't even show up to pep com i texted a michael fisher and i was just like dude like where you at man we got we got to have like a glass of wine or something because it's been a hard day he's like oh we totally forgot about pep kong was like oh man that's just how hard that day was but it wasn't saturday was pretty busy from our point of view just because we were doing all that you know pre you know pre stuff the perhaps yeah all the prep stuff in the background I mean there was somebody stuff so much stuff to do there but it wasn't as long I think I worked maybe 10 10 to 12 hours which isn't that big of a deal yeah I juice I do I knew something was gonna be so bad for you guys when krushi messaged me he's like did anyone talk to you I thought I was getting fired at for every time someone says have you been talked to yet that's the first I think oh my god I'm being fired but it was like no yeah you want to do the HTC and Samsung live blogs right I was like yeah sure he guys all right yeah once in a 10 and the other ones it like noon I was like okay yeah which days they're both on Sunday what yeah yeah yeah they're do it there now take everything on the same day I am trust us when we woke up that morning and we looked at the schedule cuz okay Dorsey thing thank God for Darcy because he's able to put together all this stuff that allows us to get the content and then you know it's just this nice well-oiled machine but the one thing Darcy didn't do during this particular show that he does every show was Google cow me a week before um yes I don't think I didn't get it until I mean I got it probably before you then when did you get it I got it the morning of sunday wow I got it a little before you I think he's send it on Friday night yeah I mean I don't want to known that I would have said but I assumed you'd be the first person he gave a cup oh my goodness like we had we have never known that I would have sent you a copy but it wasn't his copy wasn't very good initially I mean it was missing some things oh sure I dine in the dates were the times for wrong on half of it could get confused like we had the zone we had a call like a few days prior and he told me that you know everything's kind of falling at the same time so yeah we were kind of prepared for it but when I looked at it on this sunday morning after like having my bulletproof coffee I was like so Nava babe oh yeah i'm sure you guys do i'm sure you didn't sleep at all that day right um i'm trying to remember coming up as a battle i haven't heard much from feisty over there man like what like you said that you did even less than Joe so this is your this is your your midseason evaluation what took in the fair because of his time zone and because the fact that Jimmy and I are both on the central time zone everything was pretty much done by the time the poor guy was around though so what you know how did you pass the time uh during uh during mwc season what was worried up to this past couple weeks you know I've been spending the majority of my time tap tap x absolutely that's right our new sister site although tablets and and you know completely immersing myself in it we got the new writers going on there and that's it you know it's been I want to say exciting but hey we're moving forward going strong so yeah definitely everybody check out tap x also as my note for starts ringing who is calling Oh number I don't know hang up okay so clean just like a just like bruh she was saying I mean kudos to him and Jimmy let's be honest that every time I popped in and like hey what's there for me to cover how can I help brushy was like you know what we got this you're fine and then you know the three o'clock in the morning comes along I'm ready to close it you know close it down and he's like ooh could you do just one more for me or bogdan's getting on and he's like hey would you mind just one before you go so C by bogdan etta show has this really interesting way of being because he gets on and he starts talking to all of you guys and then he doesn't necessarily get like stressed out but it seems like it but because the way that bogdan reacts to like his eyes getting tired and stuff like that is he puts his like head in his hands and you started getting really hard is like it really throws us for a loop because like me and lana like you okay dude and then bogdan's like no I'm okay it's okay guys it's okay you know in his head he was going Tam Americans cheese and all right ah man I oh so what I have I have to mention like this might be the first show that I'm actually super excited about what's to come like did you guys see my video on the HTC vive I did not that's I missed most of the NDMC videos oh no problem like I've watched every single one we don't have to go through that length but this is a VR platform that I can actually believe in and having valve at the helm I mean HTC helps with the hardware and of course some of the software but valve is creating these experiences that you're going to have completely immersive experience like I am I gonna get into it too much but let's just say once you put that VR headset on the headphones and then you put the controllers in your hands the room you were standing in before you put that all that crap on it disappears and you are all of a sudden in this crazy world the controllers are like your hands in the world you're picking everything up and you know we're mostly gamers up in here and we're gonna get to that in a little bit but the final dent part of the demo the final world that they showed us was aperture and you had to repair a portal robot it was freaking amazing and of course you're set up to fail cuz GLaDOS is like when when when the walls come down and GLaDOS like zooms in on you and basically tells you she's gonna kill you you piss your pants like that that's how immersive that thing is but super super exciting to see at mwc that i finally got excited about something again you know like I love smartphones I love what we do for a living but it's good to finally walk out of a room that you get some sort of demo of something before everybody else in the world and you're super excited for them to try it you know so good but on that note as we look toward the future from mwc we're looking back at our past like that Segway hey nice today we're talking origin stories and we just had a little check in there so if you guys are are enjoying our ftp we're back in the studio and back to our memory studio but studios and back to our regularly scheduled programming this week thank God for grush II picked a pretty light one for us we're talking about our tech origin stories what got us into tech and what God is essentially to where we are now let's see here alright so I kind of wanted to just open up the panel you can go as far back as you want when you were a kid that's what I'm gonna do a little bit later back when you were a kid what were the first pieces of technology that really loved and kind of kind of you know what what made you fall in love with this world of technology that we all now in one way or another report on and make a living off of I'm going to open it up even if there's a little bit of silence you guys can figure out who's gonna start so yeah let's uh let's open it up who wants to start off with their origin story in tech um I've actually been thinking about this all day because um I haven't had anything else to do today I have like the show to do tomorrow so I've really been thinking you know mwc stunner I know I don't know it sounds like I'm so lazy like I do others things just you know anyways um I actually didn't start out as a tech nerd I started out as a regular nerd like magic the gathering and Dungeons and Dragons and like wearing shirts with like pokemon on them which I'm actually still doing right now as we speak but I actually which my own my first computer or like you know like all my game systems I share with my brother throughout my childhood it's like I didn't have any electronics that were my own until I was like 20 years old I was like eight years ago and um yeah it's it felt weird like getting into technology cuz like you know I was with all the family computers and stuff like that I was always the person that had to fix all that stuff but I was never really all that into it so you know I got a computer and then a few years later I got my first android device and i don't know i just kind of like don't really okay Joe we need we need details up in here all right what computer was this what phones are we talking about man well what are some of these electronics that you shared with your bro I figured we were gonna get into the details later my bad that's my bad um co the consoles that's a long list I see my brother and I had an xbox the PlayStation 2 PlayStation Super Nintendo we had I swear to god one of those Nintendo VR things you know remember those love virtual virtual boy we had a virtual boy and it does it's what I said yeah that was an interesting system that was a thing system was not awful it's behind me in that I have a little cabinet behind me it's in there that thing was responsible for every headache I had between the ages of 9 and 10 it was so bad but it was so it gives really bad it was so fun to play was like it was so painful it's like drinking too much alcohol it's like the night before you're like yeah gonna get wasted the next morning you're like oh why did I get so wasted and like the virtual boy is exactly the same way like man would play some virtual boy afterwards like oh man what I play that virtual boy it was so bad um may I pretty much every major game console that came out between like 1990 and 20 whatever 20 2004 where my brother and I split one my first computer was Shh wrap I can't remember it was an HP POS like dual core blah-de-blah like that was that was an official name of the computer should I kept POS HP HP POS Intel something or other clock did something or other well yeah I had that one too yeah I was a good machine yeah that's such a great laptop it was like I say are you sure it was a dual core back then oh yeah eight years ago was how long ago were you talk oh it was only eight years okay I guess yeah 2007 okay that's why was what was the buzzword core 2 duo was something I guess I was I guess I'm thinking when you talk about old computers I'm thinking oh ya think we had like a family computer but like when I was like but you don't member what it was uh no it was a compact white brick with like one button on the front and it's a compaq presario it wasn't a presario it was like the off it wasn't that's about all they know is the office presario brand it was like two hundred dollars even back then but um it was like a you know my dad was married back then we had there's five kids in the house so like we had to like schedule time on that thing at you know we all do school work and stuff like that so I didn't get to like play games on computers or anything like that my mom had a gateway and i played diablo 2 on that for a long time nice but it was like you know i was only up there every other weekend and during the summer so it's like most of the year I wasn't there playing it um but yeah I know with my first computer i started tinkering around with some stuff uh I got a lot of really crappy technology and believe it or not that's what like really sparked my interest I got a hard drive that was a jpod enclosure you guys remember when that was a thing no I I was so crabby most people even know what it is um I was too hard drives in a single enclosure right so it's like a one terabyte one terabyte in a single enclosure and it was like this ji it was called j-bot I can't remember exactly what it was or what it did but it was just essentially a raid 0 in an external hard yeah the way sounds like a lotion store your data and rejuvenate your skin with Jay bod sorry exfoliate but yeah so yeah like I kept buying the CEO really crappy old technology to get breaking it was really terrible um and then I got my first android phone speaking of crappy and terrible technology it was a motorola click click oh my god was my first android phone and i ended up having to get three different ones because the radio kept dying and it wasn't like I was a newbie and stupid and didn't understand what's going on I mean like the little thingy at the top would go away entirely and I could not make any phone calls text messages or get data at all it was just totally dead and the cool thing was every time I sent one back they sent it back to me with the SD card and everything so I had like I still have most of life like three or four two gigabyte microSD cards just sitting over here that I never use no man talk about POS yeah yeah those can't even hold like for apps these days oh man that was back when like motoblur was like really bad like really really bad did they have a refresh of motoblur at one point back then that was like really well-received though like it was like what was one of the first ones to have the heads of notifications am I in my remote that was like a verizon the first couple of generations of the droid razr series still had motoblur and it was actually somewhat yeah motoblur I remember actually i got i had a uh I droid something or other something rather it was frightened I I bought it off of ebay because I was doing something on the XDA forums cuz that's you know it's where I kind of got the really hardcore into Android was there I started rooting my devices and all that stuff uh but I bought one just because they said it was like really difficult to root and that's like that was my thing back there's like all it's so hard to root I'm gonna root the crap out of it it wasn't the incredible was no it was the it was after the incredible I'm sorry it was ok wasn't three sound that was HTC anyway holy crap I can't believe I'm blanking on this so bad he said Troy that's why it was it was oh my goodness it was before the quad cores came out I remember that I'm gonna go look that up real quick somebody else talk for a second all right well yeah well we got into the Android world would y'all ready when we pop it over to feisty like what what we don't hear a whole lot about like or our pass a whole lot I'm really interested to hear how feisty got started in tech right now tech what's that he's Amish was the technology man talking about can right now to wire this connect all I'm straight up Amish bro yeah the way I've been shaving lately be hard to prove otherwise but oh my god I'm shaving sorry sorry bud oh my god Bionic sorry go ahead bud I just wanted to get that out sorry no problem I you know for me technology got started really young from more of a mechanical perspective you know my dad had these are sea and don't tell my dad you know this isn't going public is it yeah he had a remote control car it was you know allemand type race car oh nice I took a screwdriver to that thing I ripped it open i took broke it right down almost nothing built it back up I don't think he ever knew and you know that was early on I mean like I barely remember doing this and I mean I always sort of ripping things apart stereos TVs VCRs you know all that kind of stuff I just you know it was tearing them apart and then that was fun for me at one of those you know 201 electronics kits has got all the you know the diodes capacitors all that kind of stuff on it all you do is connect the little wires and then push the button and it makes a noise and then you rearrange the wires he pushed a button and makes another noise you know but yeah I got bored with that stuff pretty quick but hey what the era was fun it was educational right you know one of the big things for us in our family there's five kids in our family so we shared most everything but we had this one little I want to call it a computer now but this was like before the days of you know before anybody you know Intel was a household brand we're talking well beyond that it was just a little voice prompt you know children's toy basically you know you choose these modes and you know guess the number and it would put to you know a simple one plus one kind of mathematical equation and you know you just learn from it but you know we all ran through that thing it was kind of a neat start but I mean again that was youngster stuffin and then you grow up right high school comes along bigger stereo huberty puberty a major driver for me especially through all my teenage years into my curly 20s was music now my friends were always big on video games and yeah I've go over their place and you know watch for the entertainment value or play whatever happened to be NHL 94 come on all the time we tournaments but you know for me it was music was really the big motivator for me for technology and then you know through high school I I kick myself now but I made fun of the computer nerds you know i was playing sports on the basketball team that sort of stuff was it but really but yeah yeah so you know I've got you know half way through high school then I realized hey wait a minute there's something to these computers and I finally purchased my first one after high school you know kind of like Joe was saying just a you know as a custom build at the time my friend's dad was you know just starting up his own shop it was the first generation pentium processor with an 8 gigabyte hard drive that was I tell you I could almost load webpages you sure was a pentium one with a 8 gigabyte hard drive that sounds not right by the opinion to probably I remember yeah that had to be more like a penny of two or three that can't be a god I'm getting like the weirdest flashbacks right sorry yes i'm a super nerd you know I never really looked back on that thing and it burnt out but I hereby tossed it so what year was it that would have been 99 so yeah that'd be like a pen yeah d by pentium to literally even remember that we good lord i'm just getting started on 99 come on the 1999 was like WWE WWF back then and I was like Chris Jericho is really huge back thing because the y2j thing oh man don't get me started on wrestling did i watch his debut the other day I was his first one is first-rate yeah and how the the crouch end when he interrupted the rabbinate the crowd you started chanting rocky and ignored him for five minutes yeah exactly so okay oh man let me possibly make you guys jealous you remember a Bret the Hitman Hart and Owen Hart those guys yeah yeah they're from they're from Calgary I didn't grow up with those boys but just after high school the first job I got they were regulars and would go out down to the gym the wrestle with them and stuff yeah oh man that's crazy so badass um voila the Ju just reminded me of us i'm not into wrestling but while i was working years ago as a as a manager for mcdonald's as a store manager for while anyway during college and we in our little small town mcdonalds on the interstate we had John Cena coming in so I've met him before no rush he follows up bread to him and heart with like John Cena like well I just you reminded me of wrestling so I just I just think I got thinking about that that's all he's like it's like it's like it's like fashionable right now to call John Cena lame that's why it's funny oh and it's so funny yeah i just gotta bump into my head that's all that's really good old I'm not into wrestling at all but well I got in real life John Cena is actually like a really dope dude that's what I keep hearing but anyway feisty was talking about pentium tues and a gigabyte hard drives like so so what was the what was the evolution into mobile then if you started off with like you know desktop computers you said music actually know what let's go back to the music thing how did music actually form like formulate your your your tech life if like back in high school and whatnot you were saying well basically stereos I was into all things now at this port keep in mind mechanical you know throughout high school I was you know one of the top dogs in the at the high school was mechanics class and you know I was going to national competitions and stuff for turning wrenches not that most you know not the proudest time in my life but you know that's what I was into it was it as a gearhead at the time and that was cool so you know I was always playing with putting in car stereos and bigger speakers and and then in the house it was always you know what stereo should I get what speakers what's up should I get how can I keep this quiet how can I build my own speakers but not speaker themselves but you know speaker enclosures and what kind of wiring that kind of stuff so it's all very hands-on mechanical electrical and stuff it to be honest you know that is that kind of nitty-gritty work that that moved me forward with it all mostly because I got sick of it and I just wanted something that worked which is the story of my life when it comes to cars and houses and computers you know the whole thing is just you know spending so much time with hand-me-downs and POS is and you just finally want something that works and so you know it took almost 10 years but I finally went back to college for computer sciences and and as in college where everything kind of turned around and certainly went mobile that's for sure yeah for sure yeah I mean that it's interesting that's interesting angle I just realized like so you went back to school you went you went to school rather for for computer science so where were you were you just looking to to continue that gearhead mentality to just sort of find the find the inner workings and tinker with what was eventually going to become ubiquitous in our lives yes essentially I mean I'd worked the string of jobs into the office jobs at this point no more turning wrenches but it's still at dealerships mind you so I'm still in the automotive world but yeah yeah pushing paper nonetheless and using computers on a day-to-day basis that was a big thing was using the computers and it just came easy for me as i'm sure it comes to to most people especially these days yeah but you know you're always when you become good or you help one person with one issue on a computer all of a sudden as you guys know you become a guru and you're helping everybody and that's that's kind of why I went to school was you know I'm already helping everybody let's go step it up let's learn my skills you know network technician you learn some server side stuff that's what I started in and that very very quickly jumped over to the programming world and I still don't know how to properly configure my home router it should've stuck with that a little bit longer here oh man any-any like high tech person will be stifled when you put a printer in front of them and be like why doesn't this work exactly print that Dean of existence that reminds me of a story that I have to share real quick that's ok go for it Lou so ok this was probably i don't know maybe 97 98 we had a printer that wasn't working right on our computer wasn't bonding and so we had my uncle who was like you know he was a computer programmer and you know super smart guy and he came over and he did all these massive trouble shooting things and couldn't figure anything out I think it might have been Christmas or something cuz we had him over and we had my best friend's dad over to which was he was in the technology but not so like hardcore like programmer type anyway so my uncle couldn't figure it out for the world of him he did all the ran all these commands at all these diagnosis and then mr. Doughty was his name he came down he looked at the computer he moved to the back he plugged it in and all was fine the court had come undone so my you know the techie one wanted to do all these hardcore like analysis and running scripts and figuring all these really complicated things but all he did was make sure that the court was in right it was fixed sorry when he said printers that reminded me of that did all no no yeah I even have a story about that too like I remember the first because I did tech support yeah in college and I was like okay so this used to be a big deal back then but obviously you know or older now and it doesn't really matter but I was at the time the only freshman in the school's history to ever be hired as a tech support specialist because quote unquote I was that good and the first on-call assignment that I had was at this I went to the University of San Diego so young people always joke about it it's a lot of privileged people there especially the females they're like the university of spoiled daughters is what it used to be called and i would i went to this one girl's dorm and she was freaking out because her printer wasn't working and there was a paper that was all ready to do in like the first few weeks of school and she was freaking the heck out and i was trying to figure out what's wrong with this printer it wasn't really connecting it was registered on the computer which i remember what's going on and sure enough she had just not plugged the damn thing into a computer and i was like i thought these were wireless like what if it doesn't work wirelessly plug the damn thing and and I remember it gave me an idea I always wish that I did this and I wish I could go back in time and then do day if a problem like that was that dumb if the solution was that stupid I always wanted to have like a pocket of glitter and when i plug it in yeah popular and when some when someone calls me for that kind of problem and i plug it in and it works and they're all and you know before i give them like the final oh look it's working they're like oh did you figure it out is it gonna be okay I'm like yeah let me just do one thing real quick and then it's grab the glitter oh my on the printer or on the computer and then hit the button and it works like I wouldn't and I would never explained why you should have done that hey that's awesome like they called a tech support sounds like I don't know what he did we threw some glitter on it is working oh my god all right before we already move off the rails that that what we went to school for if it had to do with tag that's an interesting angle because I went to school for communication studies which technically is what what I'm doing now being in the new media obviously but I was curious Joe what was your major in University and can come video game development actually i'll see ya like it it's crazy how it permeates throughout yeah it's it it's it is what i'm trying to either way the Frasers I'm having a brain for sorry guys it's midnight where I am right now um but it it helped a lot when i started doing blogging because even just a couple of years in like I've never built anything substantial in terms of video games i have actually haven't even played with playing or doing a video game in a while but uh like when you get you know that the first couple of years into developing video games you start losing a lot of respect for like sixty percent of the games that are in the google play store right now like everyone's like check out this brand-new its revolutionary little minimal puzzle game with like two shapes I'm like dude I can do that try again I'm not reviewing this go away so did you hate like super hexagon no super hexagon was fun and really really hard but it was you know it looking at it it's just a bunch of you know shape it's been in various patterns and you know it's it's not difficult to make but it's difficult to play and that's why I like that one but like i looked at like I was never ended like that the 2048 game I thought that game was stupid cuz it's like uh somebody made a million dollars off of as something that they could have learned in six months like he's just uh so it turned me into a snob a little bit but the thing that sucked was that uh all of the stuff that I was learning was in like C++ and the the game studio I was using was unreal at the time known as this like I a bit huge into android now and I can't use my c++ knowledge for squat it's totally useless now that's like man why didn't I learn Java that would have been a way better idea I remember hearing though back in the data Java was like the worst thing to learn back then and now it's everywhere it was yeah yeah okay mean it was the exact same thing in my world but school after I change program over to the programming side I learned all the dotnet stuff vb and asp so i can code for windows but i mean i'm running all linux and android now when I can't code anything for myself either right it's so frustrating it's like two years a wasted life like man that's s tens of thousands and student loans I'll never get back damn it was it now like at all it's all Python and Java nowadays right like that's pretty much what everything is your yeah okay we're gonna jump over to grocery in a second but I wanted to make sure we covered this with feisty when did Android get into your tech life like when did when did it sort of evolved into basically what you're doing now right from day one of Android before it was even you know the first products went out to the public and of course that was when i was in college learning this stuff but you know i was going ripping down operating systems learning what the colonel was all that kind of stuff and and then Along Came Google with this new fangled operating system for mobile and I'm like hey look professor can we look at this he's like there's no future in mobile yeah and who wants an automobile when you have Zeppelin yeah so you know that was kind of it was you know before I really knew what Android was or what it could ever be I was analyzing it you know its internals its software stack and how it used in tents to handle all of its processes and and you know passing off you know tasks and yeah I fell in love with the OS how it was in the back end before I'd ever seen an image of what it looked like on a device oh okay that's good and then of course the rest is history reporting on that now are you the crazy thing about like where we come from in terms of tech is like we we we were basically living proof of where it's where it was and we're complaining about the way it was and now we're complaining about the way it is now so not a whole lot of joy as I true I self everything I think it's all fantastic I loved my old crappy compact that never works because there was a game on it that I could never ever beat and it was like this ms-dos game where you had to hit the spacebar shot an arrow to the right hand like time it correctly and I was like nine years old I can I mean I figured it out a couple of times but I was never any good at it I sound so familiar I can't think of what I love the crap out of that it was just called archery is like an MS Dodgers just like play archery and then this is a little targets would fall down the right side you shot the arrow at it I love that game I thought it was awesome I had no idea that there were better games out there at the time hashtag bring back Archer this Oregon Trail guys come on Oregon Tom an organ trail to oregon trail through superior sequels blow there's a second one hold on what what there's like a million organ trails but oregon trail to was the best or become a nose a second one if you died of dysentery well it obviously wasn't a sequel of events it was just a remake no I know was that the second one because you had to beat the first one first to play the second yeah there was like Diwali and they just did they just remake it from mobile or something not too long ago I think no yeah they did a um because I remember someone asked me to review this and I told them no uh it wasn't Oregon Trail the game it was like Oregon Trail the sequel like all right you have settled the West and now you have to build a farm and I was like oh as I held to no no i don't i'm not building any farms I'm sorry were talking about that one called organ trail where no we're not talking about Israel organ trail was a fun as hell game that game was awesome problematic as hell but fun alright well let's just pop over to crush me then how did this tech world become your world well for me it started it started shortly after the Christmas of 1990 mom so specific yeah the stuff i'm a nerd like that to see that was the year that my sisters were begging for i had older sisters I have no no brothers with just me and two older sisters and eventually one younger anyway and they were begging for a gaming system and so that year under the tree there was a NES um it was the one that was bundled with the Mario Brothers & duck hunt uh anyway the funny thing about that is when they first set it up downstairs in the family room I absolutely hated the thing because everyone kept using it that meant I couldn't watch cartoons you know I was five uh so I was really mad until one day my dad gave me like this is probably a few months after we got it so when you know the next year uh my dad gave me a chance to play mario for a little bit and like that was it I was addicted after that you know and I've been addicted to I was a Nintendo fanboy for pretty much forever um I'm still pretty close to that but I've moved on um I still have a place in my heart for Nintendo but more the old Nintendo and not so much the new one but anyway it really started with video game systems for me I was huge in the game systems I collected I owned a Game Boy of course like every other child of that of my era you know super nintendo and you know that's pretty much where it got started um as far as like my you know obviously that's geek but it's not necessarily tech geek where I made the shift was uh well a few Christmases later 90 probably 95 December to Maya of course hey 5pm if no it was 753 anyway so uh um my family decided once again because my sisters were begging for it got a computer um a compaq presario um CD s something i think was like a 924 anyway this thing was ancient by today's standards i mean it's it's archaic back then it was awesome but seventy five megahertz Pentium one um eight megabytes of RAM and it didn't even have a gig hard drive it was like seven hundred fifty megabytes no oh yeah yeah a 14.4 k modem oh my goodness yeah this thing was that was classy oh my god I surprised we haven't talked about 28.8 or 56k because well maybe we just would all like to forget that I guess yeah you know I remember what I upgraded to a 56k modems like this is fast the Internet oh yeah what a great thing the internet you know going from you know going from 14.4 anything sentiment um you know and then so yeah it was old old computer Windows 3.1 out of the box and back in those days they didn't force you to windows 95 was out but it was just out so they didn't force you to you know have the newest it came to the disks if you want to install it later which I had to build up enough tech knowledge before my parents would let me do that so was like two years later um but anyway um yeah I got started with that computer and I just fell in love and got into really primitive programming languages like GW basic and qbasic a little later and that's pretty much where I got started by by about two three years in so I would have been 11 or 12 I started building computers um and then I started selling them to friends and family and actually that's something I continued to do for my whole life even today I still do as a side thing at now granted it's not really something to do regularly anymore but I still have some regular people that will contact me for things and I'll and I'll do it for pay and so yeah basically started with computers for me you know I've at windows I've used every version of Windows I've built hackintosh is I've built you know i have used for too much various different versions of linux over the years so okay well we'll use the term mobile but obviously you know where we have the android ankle when did when did mobile sort of pop into your tech life there well mobile popped in quite early as far as like smartphones and stuff um well even before smartphones i owned you know I owned a Palm Pilot I had a sony CLE a you know i had all of those old palm based stuff and then i moved into windows mobile a little later with the touch pro 2 and that was in like 2010 oh wow um that was windows mobile 6 something i think ya banat tried too hard to look like when you yeah what up with it well I thought that was awesome back then I you know I was like yes it's like I'm have a computer you know the hardest thing to troubleshoot as a yeah though they were awful they were awful and apps were off everything was awful about them then I upgraded I don't know if I would consider much of an upgrade but it was Android at least I upgraded to the LG vortex mm which most people who are listen to this might know that as the G optimus one um but on verizon it was called the vortex so you're talking us the 600 megahertz qualcomm chip and Froy oh oh nice yeah and so that was that was 2011 I think so and that's so that was my 2011 swear I'll started with Android for me so and it was mostly budget stuff until more recent like a couple you like it was a few years ago that I finally started getting decent android phones so yeah baby when i started at android authority of that too much before that actually you know it was what I you know cuz well I you know I did an authority part-time for a while and you know I I had android the whole time but yeah they were I mean I had I was still rocking you know gingerbread when you know ice cream sandwich was the thing you know yeah and then I finally upgraded and I was so excited yeah but I bet that would be an exciting ones to move from I mean I mentioned Froyo gingerbread my goodness you see it just seems like ages ago that we even had those in existence yeah well yeah and I mean there's just such a I mean honestly guess there's been major changes form ice cream sandwich to like lollipop but they still seem related it's like Froyo and all of them seem like they're in a different world you know like they don't even you know they don't belong there not android you know yeah all right well I guess all I guess I'll I'll follow up and I keep thinking about like where where I've come from in terms of like you know how much I love tagging where it all started and it's gonna sound like I was catered for what I do identity now but anyway so it started off I have one older brother no other siblings just my older brother and we we we like you guys had to share a lot and the the first computer that I ever got was an apple like an early early apple and everything will look to monochromatic on it and I remember we stuck with that computer long long long but long after we should have because we gotta remember us getting like a like an up-to-date printer and I tried to I tried to print out the marvel.com splash page because I had like all of the superheroes on it and it basically fried the good it was just too much data for it to put into this more up-to-date brenner but we ended up going to a compaq also and I'm realizing presario is probably a special like fancy way of saying POS but hey I loved my computer thank you like that you know what the compact was really great but what I remember most about it was we had windows 95 on a I think we moved to 98 after a little while but what I remember most about that compact was that I'm try remember if it was best buy or compusa but i want to say was compusa they had this policy where if your computer messed up you could bring it back and if the guys behind the counter couldn't fix it you just got a replacement what and what the he was bad yeah that was compusa that was compusa I'm pretty sure those come which might have been part of the reason what they would ever business fair enough but yeah I remember we we took advantage of that thing so many times because I remember trying to mess with the version of windows we had I tried to change the splash screen all the time the loading screen with that little bar on the bottom I remember changing it so that it said like windows 98 pirate edition and if I turn it up and the whole thing was messed up then we moved to like HP and now this was when the turning point came because what used to be just like the apple computer and you know the the one that I fried because of the the Marvel splash screen became a media center computer by HP that was in my room and that was when I I used to tell people used to ask me all the time like how do you know so much about technology and I said when I was a kid I had a computer in my room and all the time in the world and that's pretty much what happened i learned how i learned the ins and outs of how to really make the windows experience like my own and cater things you know it was off was it just software then or did you it was software like i never got into building computers and actually like a little while back i remember time Joe that I wanted to move to a desktop computer and I came to him like like the absolute noob like please teach me and oh that story gets better because I put together a really nice part list after fighting out his budget and all that stuff and then like a day later he messaged me back I'm just gonna buy a laptop I know because I realized you know as much as I would love having a desktop there i was i was in the market for a ps4 and i still needed a rig that was portable then for the trade shows and stuff so it it made sense as much as it didn't so like that's why i was i was fighting with it like I you're putting together that part list I was like I was so torn but between the the possibilities but yeah I missed with those computers a lot and of course gaming had a lot to do with you know how I was back then also I had a I had a ps2 around this particular time but I had like I was mostly a gameboy player before then Nintendo yes before then but I was so young at that point that I don't remember exactly what we played all the time on the NES but yeah PlayStation 2 was really where I found my stride as a gamer too so much to the point where i still have I could dig it up somewhere I still have a spindle of all the pirated games and I remember getting like a label maker for it and I would actually just recreate on paper the the actual what the discs look like and like stick it on basically I basically was like a peddler for for these uh for these games and and the thing is I games a lot on the ps2 but where were mobile let's say but also where my love for actually seeing technology where it was going and and what kind of became what would become my reporting life in technology came during the PSP days because Sony back then they were they could do no wrong they could absolutely do no wrong they had the sony ericsson line with the Walkman the w810 the W 800w 850 and and then the PSP came out and everyone was all up on the PSP and I got it I got both you know I was able to swing it I got straight A's and I was able to swing both um and I remember my dad found t3 and an issue of t3 which is a British magazine for tech very trendy not necessarily like to in-depth but they're pretty trendy they're pretty popular out in Britain and he looked on the page that said like the top 10 gadgets of the year and sure enough number one and two were the sony ericsson phone and the PSP and i remember it was at that point that some sort of light clicked in my head like oh I I know a thing or two about what the people would want maybe I could make maybe one day I would love to write about technology and from there just mobile started to sort of become a big thing I went from the sony ericsson phone i went to my first smartphone was a blackberry bold 9000 I I missed that thing so much to be honest mostly because BBM was that awesome back then it sucks ass now I never got behind blackberry ola be fair though i've never really used him that much ever the keyboard answer did but i'm just waiting for google to buy blackberry because this the the patents behind the keyboard and how it interacts with with with the does the smart phone capabilities that those are all still blackberries camp and really they're the only ones who can make a keyboard and it's like the most sublime experience ever but it was after that that I went to the droid incredible and that was when the whole Android life started to come in I started routing and doing all that stuff I don't do so much anymore given how robust operating systems are now but yeah I got into the whole routing game I put cyanogen mod on my droid incredible I got a Galaxy Nexus which at the worst battery life and I remember having spare batteries in my bag all the time and always popping them in and out and slowly but surely I started to get you know more more and more into this world of mobile and android and here's the part that I really wanted to share and was when it came to video production obviously I'm you know Joe and I are the are the youtubers in this podcast right now but like when it comes when it came to video production and that's obviously the big crux of what i do now associate entra thority um I always remember back to all like the the family vacations that we had and we had you know these piece of crap camcorders and at one point I had a flip video and i would use those but i remember i always became the historian of our of our family vacations and i remember when i first started out being the video camera guide so we can document our memories I would do shots like this here and there I would narrate in the background Nicole check out this museum that were at our old check out this landmark my dad would always give me tips it's not that he knew what all of the what all of the terms were but he would say stuff like no know when you're going to move the camera like I just do slowly because you want to see everything blah blah blah and it just kind of it blows my mind because all those things that he said back then not even knowing what he was saying kind of became what I do for a living now it was almost as if growing up he knew and when you think about that aspect of my life and video production and then getting into mobile and then loving tech it almost feels like I'm exactly where I need to be so it's it's it's pretty gnarly what I think about it and while you guys were talking I was thinking about I was like all holy crap like this is going to be kind of a crazy story for me to share so those were our origin stories and sorry if i rambled on a little bit there but I don't want good we're coming up on oh thank you are way better than mine I wasn't even a tech nerd until eight years ago haha oh yeah I didn't and I never got around to I kind of spaced out the whole part about how I transitioned into doing what I do for a living oh well I mean it just kind of felt I felt pertinent because of we know the things I was thinking about oh yeah but if you want to show that I mean my all means go for it oh no it's it i mean basically I uh I went to college you guys were talking about that angle uh I went to college for business administration I was really into that kind of stuff I mean I was well as in college I was a manager at a really young age of as a store manager for McDonald's and I ended up becoming a district manager when I finished and I stayed with that for a while because believe it or not fast food can put prey can pay pretty well as you get up there and I stayed for it for a while but you know I got burnt out you know working 70 hours and something that was just a thankless job you know and they always expected more from you and if anyone did anything wrong you were blamed for it and eventually I I just got you know to the point where it's like huh see as a child I was there was two things I was passionate about before that it was technology and it was writing I remember writing when I was like I don't know probably 11 or 12 my version of Jurassic Park to before Jurassic Park to came out it was awful i'm sure but it was I did write like a hundred pages you know I was I've started and never finished probably a hundred novels over the course of like from third grade up till a couple years ago when I finally realized it was never going to finish it he thinks oh it's time to give up but anyway so you know I got to the point where I was like you know I don't like what I'm doing it's time to explore other avenues it's for a little while I took a job working in a factory just you know warehouse type situation you know driving around for cliffs and I started exploring the internet for writing I knew that people you know that it was a possibility that I could find something and I started just doing random like freelance writing for just anything and then one day a the site doesn't even exist anymore but there was this little tiny site called mobile magazine and I ran into it and I decided to apply and he gave me opportunity I knew nothing about WordPress at the time and this is like four years ago now and I was like you know what I'll do this is a side thing and see and it's it's like my all my training it's kind of like what you were saying that's why I decided to mention it it's like everything I did before found its home you know I I helped you know run the administration side there I you know I wrote it was I got to express myself about technology and what I came to android authority just continued from there and now i'm basically you know in an administrative role and then I right and I edit and you know what so it's like everything you did before even though I may not I would never have guessed in a million years that would be doing what I do today um it makes sense looking back though you know yeah absolutely I don't know if Joe and Phi see you wanted to sort of explore that that that that aspect like you know what what tech world or what you've done in the past kind of like shapes what you are doing right now um you want to go first feisty sure I'll dive in yeah did i mention that that purchasing my first android phone was almost an accident so here's the thing 2007 which I meant to buy an iPhone no they were sold out no no I'll touch on that Len I promise but uh no see us halfway through college at this point I was rocking my HTC touch the windows mobile phone you know you know previous version to what the gresh II had there but the same device and now let me say you know google announced what there was this morning or last night that that they have this cross-platform music app that you know can work on the phone on them on the you know the Chrome browser all this kind of stuff that's the stuff I was doing in school with this windows mobile phone I would you know create games you know dotnet programming on the laptop and then just a few quick button pushes it would pour it over to the phone but it regardless so here I am 2010 I'm in the midst of doing all the paperwork so I can move from canada to the states I don't want to buy a new phone I'm driving through the mountains for coming from British Columbia through back home to Calgary and the phone dies just completely stops so I find the next best buy I pull in i say i want the cheapest prepaid android phone you could give me and I had it got the LG optimus one that old p500 you know what it's right here in front of me it still plays music just fine on gingerbread yeah i think was awful that possible gene haha bread was like camera was like the the the top of everyone being excited about an OS release oh my god did you see the glow at the end of the scroll holy balls that was amazing I just love grush II just stomping all over face tees memories there like that no it's a bet that's the fun I had that was my first android phone so I'm just gonna be fun you know I'm just yeah that is what it was it was the same phone other than mine was labeled LG vortex but it was exact same okay got you so yeah just for my own experiences that thing froze all the time ya never had oh I've rooted this one and I like that probably it was verizon okay you know probably the fact that i had verizon bloatware may have played you know a role I'm just saying that again this was the unlocked version so that helped a little bit yeah um so yeah I rocked that phone for the longest time until finally I moved into the states and then well i got the Moto G but but you know that the defining point for me moving to today it was the Nexus 7 I remember watching 2012 the i/o conference sitting there in my office watching it and I mold it over for a couple weeks before i actually ordered but i finally ordered that thing and that they had arrived was you know completely new experience for me yeah it showed up what can I say I'll never forget that day it was my brother wasn't a motorcycle accident that day so I you know I turned the device on I got the phone call I was out the door you know there's a three-hour drive up to where he was I basically did the initial setup of the Nexus 7 you know in the waiting room in hospital my first week with that device was our entertainment in the hospital room it was in ever since then I you know I I don't think I've gone a day since that thing arrived that I haven't touched a tablet and and you know just that that kind of where it all came from was there you know that device became at the time it was the strongest computer i had and it did everything there wasn't much that I could not do on it and I i was doing quite a bit on it i might add but you know now there's multiple devices and you know i distribute everything across and you know through this all out i was working at a real estate company and I was kind of doing their in-house technology stuff and web development but really the big thing that got me over to the writing side was just writing all the in-house how-to manuals I will say again for anybody new computer users listening double-click does not mean push the left and right mouse buttons at the same time is the left mouse button twice oh yeah I just imagined myself doing that and that feels really weird oh yeah yeah no kidding yeah so yeah that was kind of the world I was in was you know after school but before working with you guys here at Android authority was you know working with the people at real estate world sorry that wasn't the name in the company in the real estate world just teaching them how to use technology in general you know starting right from the ground up and that well as you have seen you know plugging again my Thursday posts even today was you know just a basic simple easy user stuff with you know how to change an icon pack on your on your device nice and you know I'm getting a lot of love and air quotes from readers who are like me come on that's simple stuff why are you doing this button you know I've answered this question for a number people before it was you know requested again that I write it up here so you know what I was doing before is it's at least one small part of what I'm doing now and then well writing other than that is certainly still learning process for me what is speaking to the quote unquote love as you said I remember mentioning this to someone at mwc the people who will benefit most from what seems like the simple stuff are the exact same people who probably don't even know how to comment on it okay so there you go I'm yeah you you you probably reached a lot of people who have who have benefited from the work that you've done you just don't know it because well you know chances are maybe they actually don't know how to tell you that they did that that thank you that you're looking at you're looking for possibly you know absolutely ah sound of this disqus yeah what the hell is disqus not exactly so Joey formulated your thoughts there are you gonna bring yeah I went over this up briefly in my meet the team video so i won't go into too much too much detail so i got like the moto cliq and but i didn't root my first device until the HTC mytouch 3g slide and holy crap i hate saying the name of that phone every time i do i just like it's like six syllables it's ridiculous but I rooted that and that was the first time I did a whole lot of stuff and it was you know going from because I still wasn't that much of a tech nerd back then like I loved technology but I wasn't like a nerd about it um the HTC mytouch 3g slide was the first time I nerded out on something like I was in the XDA forums i was looking up how to tether and I you know I looked up how to route the thing i routed the thing learned how to flash the custom roms learned what cyanogenmod was and it was like it was such a huge and overwhelming experience I was like man I'm never going to get all this um my next phone after that was the HTC g2 which is my first 4g phone cuz well 3.5 g for the haters out there hspa+ rocks I don't care what anyone says I know but you know I rude at that put cyanogen mod on that and then after that I decided to dump t-mobile because at the time they sucked and I picked up the evo 4g the HTC evo 4g on sprint and thats was the phone that made me an android fan the kind of android fan that I am today a phone was ridiculous it was the route methods there was the S off methods there were like something like two or three hundred roms AOSP and stock sense and it went from two point two two two point three to four point oh and it was like you know before 2.3 was even out there were four point 0 sense roms out it was ridiculous and you know I started hanging out in IRC channels and I sort of talked into the moderators and to the developers you know not like you know you know talking with them but like kind of just sitting there and watching them talk for anybody listening that remembers the the last Android a thought podcast the the hangouts on air one Daniel Charlton is how I met him he yeah he was a kernel developer he developed kernels for the evo 4g he went by Tiamat back then I think um so yeah the first time I met him he actually a band me from the IRC channel for three days because I said something stupid um but I learned so much about Android with the evo 4g and frankly you know speaking that the root experience for every phone since then has been wildly worse like the 4g was just so epic in every conceivable way um and then I had an EVO 3d and a galaxy s2 and then a Galaxy Nexus and then an HTC evo 4g LTE after that um during that time I was I was in college was doing full time college I was you know I was working various small jobs I was a rookie a uhaul at some point I worked in a BW three wild wings and it was october i think was 2012 and unfortunately my dad passed away and i was living at home with him you know he was the one that was paying the bills putting the food on the table you know roof over the head while i went to college and after he passed away I suddenly had this problem where oh I need a roof over my head so I was looking for a second job and I was looking everywhere for one and i was just goofin out on XDA one night is like two o'clock in the morning and I saw Help Wanted writers I was like well he'll why not and uh so I sent them a message I was like hey you know I don't really write much but I really love you know the forums and I've been here for years and at that point I was pulling like modems out of phones and posting them up in posting stock roms and all that stuff you know like little modder stuff but definitely more than most and uh they hired me on and then I worked in XDA for a 14 months and then transitioned over to android authority but uh in terms of writing I was actually in the military for four years in my early 20s and my first the first unit I was ever in was disbanded or disbanded shut down or whatever it wasn't needed anymore so I got transitioned over to a PR units and ended up transition transitioning into broadcast journalism and that's where I kind of like anybody who watches my video delivery that's where I learned it then the super rapid-fire fast you know if I screw up I have to start over and do it again that's where I got that from oh I see so I mean it's crazy like thinking about it now we we came into this podcast thinking oh we're just gonna talk about the stuff we used to do and now we realize just how much it kind of melded us into who we are now I didn't I was not planning on this podcast being so cathartic and that it did all the fields yeah I know right we're all just like is the origin stories our Chin's are in our hands right now we're just like you're the thing that sucks is like I cuz I have a keyboard tray and then like my mic doesn't fit on it so I'm actually like straight back leaning forward a little bit I don't have any room to rest my elbows anywhere so and you guys may be doing that the you know the hands and the chin kind of thing but I'm like straight-up wired ready to go right now like all right well it is it is well past midnight for Joe though so I mean we're a little bit past our time but I you know what we've had such a good time sharing and listening to one another story is that you know I hope I hope all of you have been able to get something out of this particular podcast and this is certainly another one of those favorites that we've had I think we can all agree but yeah i'll go ahead and I I was telling them at the beginning of the podcast that I wasn't gonna do the canned intros during the call but I will still do the canned outros oh man died Vince I'm sorry no no no all right so we'll dive into it keep it tuned to android authority thank you so much for listening to the Friday debate podcast this was episode number eight about our tech origin stories we hope you enjoyed it on this Friday as always the Friday debate podcast comes out every Friday and we discussed topics and Android every single we you can listen to us on pocket casts on stitcher on iTunes and if you are watching the YouTube version of this podcast please remember that those particular networks are available for you as well and those are definitely the best places to listen to the fdp I am once again Joshua Vergara from android authority of course and i'm here with three of our usual hosts we have Jonathan fights Joe Hindy and andrew grush who you all just heard their tech origin stories and got to know a little bit more about them and also myself keep it tuned to android authority for all of the best coverage drop us likes on our youtube channel subscribe to the channel if you haven't already and don't forget to head on over to Andrew 30.com in our forums to talk even more about android and then every Friday you can listen to us on the FD p we love I keep saying it again we keep talking about our tech origins that was what we did I really do think that we're going to have a topic sometime in the future about where we want to see like what are we looking forward to in the future you know where do we want to see these tech world's go you know because I mentioned the HTC vive at the beginning and I was very close to asking the question but then I realized maybe that's a topic we can hold for another episode of the Friday debate podcast I want to extend another thanks to our co-hosts here today and i do want us to as always do our outro for this particular podcast let's get everybody together keep it tuned to android authority as i keep saying also to the friday debate podcast every single week discussing topics in android every week because of course we are your source for all things android android main I totally missed that