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half never in mind we've been drinking a little bit I feel like we're way more loopy right now because of the jet lag and that's not an excuse just because we were already pretty exhausted and we're in tight we're on Taiwan so your wife has just passed out right there yeah he's you go to the bathroom you guys know she's just wifey sauce is dead you like she's probably dead she's probably not even breathing right now we wouldn't even know you're looking at her she's just it's just the jet lag we're using Ellis using the jet lag I know she's a biatch you know just for sucking up all the all the glory and rub it in our faces I'm just gonna sleep right here where they could see me so whenever they go to the bathroom like ah I wish I could do that right now I have to host a live show that's how she thinks that's for how evil she is yeah somehow does it must be so hard finished erections okay let's let's go onto the show here all right um this is episode 107 outs a sounds crazy to say that 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in chat right now we will be answering all the messages or questions that you attach to those donations at the end of this half of the show so feel free to go crazy go ham on that um all right Paul what was your favorite thing to context or some of your favorite things I don't remember wow I was I was like what a dramatic pause and then he's gonna hit me with like this Gloria saying okay okay okay it's impractical practice right let's talk about something practical here okay fantex Eclipse p300 yes mmm I agree I thought that was a nice nice piece hardware the mm-hmm fantex after coming at CES and being like look at this case we made the fantex p400 know the enthu elites you're the open nine hundred oh yes here's this thousand dollar crazy top-end blah blah blah over-the-top thing which most people were like wow that looks pretty cool no way I'm ever even going to touch anything like that sixty dollars they did a really cool thing I felt like with the with the body it's just one of those design elements where they took what is essentially the single piece of steel that they wrap around for the bottom of the case and they just continue to wrap it up the side which meant that that single piece is the base as well as the PSU shroud and that's also the external piece on that side right they have a smallish piece of tempered glass that just sits right on top of their basic you know design for that painted black interior only comes with a single hundred twenty millimeter fan but sixty bucks and it looks like a really solid starter case that anyone could build a nice looking computer in and not have to worry about spending outer bucks or something like that on it small ATX as well what I really like to see it actually then make a micro ATX version of that just make it like 2 inches shorter and micro ATX that'd be pretty sweet yeah I feel like there should be more micro ATX motherboards you know I feel like there's been a dearth of those lately I feel like mini ITX has really taken off and obviously ATX is sort of the standard but I feel like micro ATX started gets left behind in a sense at least for the few you know the current generations and stuff from from Intel and AMD grandeurs like be 50 be 350 boards from Thrifty be 50 boards from from AMD and stuff Verizon CPUs that are micro ATX but I don't know I feel like it it could use a little bit more love that important factor and and I feel like that would also bring on a bunch more protects options in the chassis market - I agree with that I feel like there are a lot of good budget cases right now for ATX not so many and even for ITX not so many for micro ATX I agree with that another another cool budget case not quite as inexpensive as the P 300 but also very compelling was the the Enzo from BitFenix honestly I feel like I haven't really kept my eyes on BitFenix and what they've been doing in the last year or two but the Enzo really caught my eye I did a video on it at the event and it was pretty impressive I mean 79 bucks $80 price point for the Enzo and it looks fantastic I mean you see in the video it looks great it looks even better in person it's got some addressable RGB implementation at the front this is it um yes that's it so that bad that comes stuck you have to include that already comes with it $79 case it looks absolutely fantastic there's a tempered glass side panel nice power supply shroud for meets function in this sort of you can see wifey sauce just kind of trolling in the background drinking our coffee a little bit of an Easter Egg there but a fantastic looking case that um is really nice just just being a total troll right now you can even do some custom water cooling it overall a very fantastic little little chassis there's a 240 millimeter support for a radio at the front I'm compatible with ACS stressfull RGB LEDs and all that jazz so I thought it was I thought it was a nice nice offering um kind of refreshing as it has a nice like stylized look that's not too over-the-top kind of minimalistic so um what's the other things that I saw at Computex um from a graphic standpoint really wasn't expecting much from from the video card sector just because memory I was hoping to see something a little bit more tangible from Vega yeah like it's either one that was on the like ready to go but not quite not really yeah would you would you which is fine because I'm looking okay they're just finalizing some things they're really taking their time with they're not trying to rush things like some competitors we know but the zotac booth I went to so Tech and they had a mini GT X 1080 TI that was eight point three inches long I believe dual fan design which is just cute it's Dora Bulls o Tech is a pretty known for for some pumping out some mini some mini GPUs okay gtx 980ti this is probably the smallest yet most powerful car that we've seen as of yet which is pretty exciting they're still working on the thermals they said it was hitting like 82 degrees Celsius at the hottest and they're trying to rework that so that they can get it down to like the mid to high 70s yeah which i think is acceptable um but I could I could see a lot of possibilities with this especially with like you know a lot of mini ATX cases that um you know are uh are getting really popular these days like I think they had done away with the yellow as well on the back plate yeah no yellow I'm I'm glad about that too I'm cool with that nice we haven't we haven't seen a card this small with dual eight pin PCIe in a washer that did one up a lot of the PCB space yeah actually that they have done some interesting things to get the PCB down to that size for this for this GPU for example the heat pipes there you can see they've kind of bent them like sort of vertically that kind of like bend up I guess you know originally they were sort of flat down there older cards and they've kind of bent them to decrease the the actual length of that it takes up they've also done away with like frilly things like the RGB controller and the fan stop controller so even though this doesn't use ero decibel at you know low idle states anymore it does allow them to free up more room on the PCB so that they can actually shorten it customize it to be the size that it is so that's kind of cool and who cares I don't really don't mind it it doesn't have RGB especially if you're gonna be slim though no fan stop mode no fan stop mode but the fans seem relatively quiet for what I could tell at the booth just play my ear up to it actually I didn't have it running nevermind I don't unpack about um but you know fun stuff there I J like jog ah let's see anything else anything else you want to talk about what Paul what else did you fancy at Computex this year um well we already talked about it a little bit on my half of the show but it was really cool seeing an x3 99 motherboard um in the flesh right there four four four Rison thread ripper whenever that comes out um also cool that AMD's got an LG a platform going on I mean I know that's just kind of one of those I think I didn't know it's less significant it's compared to like a lot of the other things like how many cores it's gotten raw power and everything like that but um it's cool for some reason to see AMD with an LGA part coming in especially having over 4,000 pins on the socket that's pretty crazy - yeah it's also nice to see you know Asus already working with them to have a high end zenith board that they've got um you know that looks like it's pretty much ready to go um right who knows who knows how long it's going to be in be same summer time is when a thread Ripper is going to launch an X 299 so should be within the next couple months theoretically yeah when does summer actually end when does the first day of fall that's let's turn that over first day of fall told your room Friday September 22nd ember alright so they could they could push it as far as September 21st right that's their that's their deadline June July August September sets about three months so it could be anywhere within the first the next three months but that's still pretty good and that means they would be still hitting well within the well well prior to the Black Friday and the holiday timeframe and even within enough time theoretically to launch before the back-to-school rush which is kind of the first retail rush that happens when when people start spending more money towards the end of the year right um but yeah that's cool other than that's what what else I don't know um was your favorite case favorite case yeah you checked out a bunch of cases um I liked seeing the new the new the new half than that yeah that's one case I didn't get out you didn't see that not to get to check it out I have you know time let's see if I can 0t imple where is here here's one of my videos liked on your channel Gideon gave me a moment just a moment where'd it go here it is the half so um so Coolermaster is they've redone their naming scheme you're gonna jump I gotta jump ahead jab head jump on her that's all the purpose so I've redone the naming scheme so they still have just they're calling everything master cases still yeah so there's master case and then there's there's three five and seven three is mid is micro five is full tower seven is I'm sorry five is mid tower seven is full tower okay so half is going to start with H okay so H five hundred means half mid towers an hour I don't know what's P means and that was it explained to me but there's P and they tower but they're still P all right so I am a big fan of large fans I'm a you're big fan fan they're just yeah big fan fan and that's what the haps been all about before so these two fans in the front or 200 millimeters they're new two hundred millimeter fan with RGB in there they were very quiet obviously it's a loud floor environment they're like it's on the comfortable red everything so hard to say exactly but big fans typically can move more air while spending at lower rpms that's just kind of one thing something that can do so it's really cool to have the removable plates that they have on the front and on the side it is a plastic finish for the top piece and the side piece here but doesn't it's it seem like it's a it's fairly high quality um tons of UI Oh got USB 3.0 and 2.0 up there on the front it's nice I would be cool what I what I was missing here is that USB 3.1 gen2 I'm not sure if that's going to be something that can be added on as part of the master K series I don't know if this is something that you that you could swap out a panel for or something like that right but the top piece and the front piece here both just kind of like pop off kind of like the the master mastercase pro 6 that I worked with recently it's really easy to remove then they have a covered completely covered bottom panel here down by the for the power supply the option to break out the graphics card and put it sideways here so you can have a better look at it temper glass side panel window and then again like just that integrated RGB controls it just seems like a nice looking case those look nice this is the cosmos see 700 which was also there which is a full tower much larger case and this one was unique in that it had a curved tempered glass side panel which is kind of cool also a unique kind of color control option therefore controlled an RGB s and a pretty cool building there I don't I just like the half a little bit more just because the the cosmos is is really large Apple Tower right and I tend to I don't know it's been a while since I've really wanted a massive full tower system I feel like unless you're doing some insane custom water cooling I can't justify saying custom water cooling or like I need a Vedic 'old Rebbe yeah exactly you know plus a bunch of other things or some cards or whatever yeah but yeah oh oh and a half they don't know the price yet but they were talking in the 130 to 150 dollar price range okay which for what you get there seems seems pretty nice yeah especially but I mean I believe it comes with the least the two front fans and a couple our top and rear fan included yes I mean and having really nice large fans included with the case um you know that that's a lot right yeah cool alright well I think that's a good summary just briefly of what we what we would cut our I at Computex this year so let's go ahead and jump into some of the tech news and discussion that we have lined up here the first thing on the list is I kind of wanted to just sort of address the whole X 299 situation with sky like X and KB like X and you know obviously a lot a lot of other youtubers and just journalists like Press websites have weighed in on this topic including you know Jay from Jays two cents and Linus which you brought the video up already which already has like you said almost two million views so this is sort of a viral topic here that I feel like we could we could address on the show and we've already sort of talked about it briefly on your half but just to go into more detail about just sort of our thoughts our opinions on on what what intel has done right and what they've sort of you know missed the mark on one thing I feel like we didn't really address too much well we briefly just it was the whole raid paywall with with a V Rock yes which is um you know the the ability to raid multiple SSDs nvme SSDs that need to be Intel based SSDs in order to be bootable which is already sort of a strange restriction it seems kind of anti-consumer additionally if you wanted to do so so raid zero comes free out of the gate but if you want to do let's say raid 1 or a 10 you have to pay $100 for a dongle that you plug into your motherboard in order to support that and we've we've talked about you know that sort of technology competing with Intel's own enterprise market which is understandable but it just seems like a slap in the face to consumers who want to take advantage of these of these of these technologies without having to go the enterprise route because there are people who want to raid one or a 10 or even raid 5 that aren't necessarily small business they're just regular consumers maybe power users like me or you or your I and then $300 I believe is for the dongle that supports raid tens or just if you just want armed sorry raid 5 if you want raid 5 you have to pay $300 for a little dongle these are these are rumored values by the way rumored values of course that are you know obviously still subject to validity but usually the situation is rumors like this are either a the company in question is putting out feelers so they're kind of suggesting this to kind of see what people's reaction is or be yes that's exactly what they intend to do and it's just leaked a little bit early so that's that's kind of what we're dealing with right now but yeah in particular for the raid situation it just seems like something that has been just there in a veil for people to do when it comes to the SATA can raid configurations that intel has made available for people for quite some time going back to Scott Sandy Bridge able I believe you know where as now having to pay to take advantage of what is a pretty cool feature vrock or virtual raid on CPU which allows you to take basically an expanding number of MDOT to nvme SSDs whether you're connecting them directly to the board itself via MDOT two slots are you got two slots or you're using breakout cards like the Asus card the dim Donna that they used Asus also has dimmed that too but they're tired specifically about the cipher in bat to card here which allows you to add four more MDOT to nvme devices and also allow them to be addressable and configurable by the motherboard using the CPU as kind of the brains of the RAID controller and also to set that up as a raid configuration that can be bootable right which is nice which is a very nice configuration atom which a lot of people want to be able to do so how much functionality you get on the motherboard aside from this when it comes to raid configurations with rapid storage technology I think is a big question and again whether or not Intel is actually going to be requiring people to pay a hundred bucks for using raid one or three hundred bucks to use raid 5 is a big question and something that I think people should hold Intel accountable for if that's something that they're planning to do again this is kind of rumor right now we're not really sure how this is going to play out and as we talked about it might have to show a little bit intel has already in the information that they've launched about core X and X to 99 so far they have said that you should be able to access 3 n dots who are you dot to nvme devices with rapid storage technology which is the pre boot rate environment that you guys might be familiar with if you've setup any sort of raid configuration on X 99 or Z 270 or z170 or any of the chipset based raid controllers and Intel sag going on for the past four five six seven years um so yeah and yes I am tired or JetLite yes we're both just just don't hold us accountable for the next 35 minutes or so yeah um and then the other issue you know that I want to talk about so that we should address is like K V like X and how that sort of doesn't make much sense I mean essentially what you have is a glorified 7700 K or a glorified KT Lake processor line that is being offered on the X 299 chipset which means you're going to have to buy a new board to support these group support these CPUs which don't really have doesn't seem like they're going to have much of a performance boost other than maybe slightly higher clock speeds out of the box and maybe a little bit more overclocking Headroom but I mean the fact that Intel has sort of I feel like smash together these lower end KB like X chips and these higher-end sky like X chips on the same platform means that motherboard manufacturers are sort of forced to make motherboards that kind of kind of um you know accommodate this wide range of CPUs whether you're talking you know sixteen PCIe lanes is it on KB like x16 or up to 44 on the higher end core count chips or Sony or 28 with the middle or 20 in the middle range so any anywhere between that range which is huge for a single platform which means if you want to get on the KT like X bandwagon you can potentially you'd have to buy a motherboard that is is really fitted for for way more than what Kb like X on its own can offer which means you're going to have a lot of features on that board that you can't utilize with with that with that processor which also means you're going to be spending a lot more for a motherboard going X 299 if you are going to be considering KT like X which is why KB like X makes no sense you'd be spending out the ass for a motherboard that you're only going to you to a lot be utilizing part of as opposed to just buying into a platform firm that is tailor-made for a cpu of that caliber like for example coffee Lake which is going to be more mainstream not high-end desktop but is also going to offer you know just a the it's not going to be it's like you won't feel so bottle necked I feel like it doesn't make sense to buy a motherboard next to nine board that has eight DIMM slots and then put in a cable ik X CPU that only supports dual channel memory where you can only fit for dims into that board and you have four dimm slots that go completely unused and unable to be utilized and potentially more than that you know M about two slots that might not be available to you with KB like X because you're so limited on PCIe lanes like why would you only have access why would you have a CPU that has only 16 PCIe lanes on a platform that is really supposed to be fitted for for maximum expandability when it comes to different peripherals and storage options you're going to be basically you know beat it doesn't make any sense you're gonna have em bout two slots you can't use you can have DIMM slots that you can't use so you're paying more for a board that you can't use so yeah and like I was saying you only get a dual channel memory controller integrated with the cable X K be the X processor so one of the things that I was kind of surprised to see well not surprised to see but startled me I guess when I first saw it was the configurations that you have so this isn't this is an apex board from Asus which is an X 299 board which has four dimm slots which they specifically did because using fewer DIMM slots allows for better memory overclocking since it's a cable like X CPU they are only populating two of the DIMM slots on one side that's the way it works when you have KB Lake X with a quad channel configured motherboard you only use two of the you'll need M slots on one side of the CPU so there's two more DIMM slots on the opposite side of the CPU here those are basically useless with the cable a hex process it's just not that's not symmetrical at all it's not symmetrical yeah but it also means that you could buy an X $2.99 motherboard with four dimm slots which some of them have and a KB like X CPU and end up with two DIMM slots available instead of what you would have on a z2 70 motherboard which is typically going to be at least four unless you're talking Mini ITX or something like that right so it does seem very cut down on what is like what you're going to be able to plug into the board so it just seems like worth X 299 where you're probably going to be spending at minimum $200 on a motherboard and that's probably going to be the lowest lowest end motherboard possible yeah most XA and motherboards are probably going to be 250 plus 250 or more if you put in keep it like X processor into it you're not going to get the full functionality of that board so it's going to be really difficult to say yeah here get this KB like X 7740 X or whatever the CPU is called and you know this X 299 board and and you're getting you're getting a good value for the money because what you could equivalently get with a 7700 kiz 270 motherboard seems like it would be a much better deal with what's available there and what you pay for the motherboard and the fact that you're not basically paying for extra functionality on the board that gets shut off because you only have 16 PCIe lanes to work with versus 28 or 44 yeah now all that said here is my assessment of like alright I'm going to try to take intel side on this for a second okay until side of this and let me ask you guys who are watching this if Intel were to present it this way would it change the way that you're that like your feelings about this platform your initial perception because again we're still at least a few weeks off from anyone coming out with independent reviews of these CPUs or of these motherboards or anything like that so please bear that in mind a lot of what we're talking about right now is reaction to the specs that have been laid out by Intel and it's not unwarranted there's still there's definitely tons of stuff to be upset about but we're still ways off from actual independent reviews so what if Intel were to say this KB Lake X is four overclockers what if they just came straight out and said that you know what we understand we're not expecting a lot of people to get K be like X CPUs we're not expecting huge sales in that realm but what we did was we took a KB leak X processor we took the KB leak die we removed the GPU from it the AI GPU from it which again you could look at both ways you can look at it as like oh now I'm losing more functionality of like quick sync and stuff and stuff like that that's viable but what if they said well we're not worried about that if you want quick sync go Z to 70 they said we remove the eye GPU from it we increase the TDP we dropped it into a platform that is by and large going to have better power delivery that's made for much higher end processors and guess what you're going to get 10 to 40% better overclocking Headroom out of this chip and we know even for most people who are buying this at home that makes no sense this is for overclocking world records I mean that's what we designed this for that's what it's made for that's we're marketing it for they haven't said any of this mind you but what if they did would that change your perception of it would you instead think of this processor is being like oh why did they do this it makes no sense it's confusing it's it's it muddies the waters of this platform maybe you think like oh well those are just there for people to be like hey we just hit 5.7 gigahertz on air or we just hit 7.7 gigahertz on a 77 40k X or whatever the CPU is which no one's come close to which is at 7700 K would that make more sense to you I mean if they could guarantee 10 to 40% I thought you have them throwing in that number changes a bit changes things a bit right as soon as you start throwing out hard numbers then it's like okay well you can measure things a bit more accurately and precisely so I mean yeah if they can say like 40% more overclocking they're going to be there's gonna be a you know definitely a market for that people who just want to push things as high as they can go who are going to invest in a more expensive motherboard just to hit those higher clock speeds and maybe milk that that frame rate just a bit more I can understand that but they're they're not the thing is like they're not ready to say that yet I feel like there's they're not saying that but yeah they're not and okay I could say that but they didn't so I feel like that's the issue I have it so far well it's it's so and this goes back to them to Intel being sort of Intel sort of rushing this whole thing right I'm sort of rushing this thing as not so much like some some premeditated plant they've had in the works for for the last six months or they'll even the last few weeks but just sort of a reactive type of move sort of a marketing sort of a reactionary thing where where Intel is feeling threatened by AMD and so they've kind of just blasted all their cards on the table even though they're really not ready to play them and I feel like if they had more concrete specs I mean they don't we that they've announced you know they're they're 14 to 18 core processors like like through here already but we're not even going to see them till six months down the line plus and so there that's a rumor that's a rumor that's this is this is a rumor I mean we've heard rumors from from Asus reps and things like that but the the fact is is that Intel doesn't seem to really know a hundred percent of what they can offer it seems like the marketing reps at Intel went to the engineers and said so AMD thread ripper was just announced and they have this you know 16 core 32 thread like what's what's the highest core count that we could get away with saying on paper to our audience and then engineers were just like well theoretically I guess we could probably do 18 cores and so the marketing team was like yes great awesome and then engineers are probably like but we don't really know anything else about like that's probably like that's the only spec we can give you right now and Intel marketing was just like it we don't care 18 cars is good 18 course 32 threads will go to the market with that we'll present out of context that's like two cores higher than what then what thread Ripper is and we don't know that we don't know the TDP we can't tell them the turbo clocks 36 36 beds sorry 36 divides whatever Devils in the details all of that but I just feel like because this is such a rush thing that your proposition makes a lot more sense where if Intel could give us the specifics of what their their new platform could achieve that would instill a bit more confidence in the end-user right because it means like oh they're actually on top of their game they actually know what they can offer whereas now it seems like they're sort of dangling something on a string but they're they're trying to reel us in before we really see the full picture before they're able to give us the whole story so I feel like there's there's you know it's a bit dishonest to the the end user in a way simply because Intel doesn't want to look like they're you know second-best to to AMD but certainly any and yes and when it comes to the the high-end CPUs that again were announced by Intel but don't seem like they're ready they seem like it seems very very very much like a paper launch and very much like them trying to get something out there that can be a counter to the thread Ripper CPU that AMD seems to have you know somewhat ready to launch but I mean you can also look at Intel and what they've been developing on the server side for many years and what they've had on the Xeon with with Zeon's for quite some time which is which is steadily increasing number of cores on the CPUs so they've been able to make CPUs with massive numbers of cores like that's not something that is challenging for Intel porting it to the consumer side selling it at a price that makes sense to consumers without at the same time hurting their server-side business I think is the challenge that they're going through right now but I think when it comes to the cable ax stuff at the low end I think people see that as just something that is confusing and something where they're like alright is Intel really trying to sell that to me right now and I think as reviewers who you know our job is typically to take a product test it see how it performs and say here's where this fits within the the consumer space right now here is where this product makes sense for you at home if you're going to invest X number of dollars into a new computer or something like that and I think that's why cabling X is hanging people like so it's like so confusing and difficult to swallow for so many people because because it's because it's coming for the point of like is Intel really does Intel really think they can sell us this and I think you and I and most people who are familiar with the space would say no they're gonna have a really hard time selling KB like X to people and we're gonna have a really hard time recommending it to people because I'm gonna have a really hard time saying yet invest that money in X $2.99 motherboard and then get a fork or four thread CPU like I'm not I'm going to say that but I guess all I'm saying with that is like I feel like if Intel were to change the way that they're framing at least those KB like X CPUs treat them more as as sort of a unique little extra that's been tacked on to this that's that's less of a focus than like the rest of the stuff the hike or count powerful processors that we've kind of come to understand as being fitting for the high end desktop platform from Intel I think it might at least clear up some confusion on that but again I like that's just speculation I have no idea if Intel has any plans on treating it that way do you think there's a strong chance that initially before thread river was announced that Intel initially planned K be like X to just be launched on Z 270 as sort of a KB like refresh on the same platform but once thread Ripper came in with a completely new platform on x2 net 399 Intel felt like they had to develop their new KD Lake processors on a complete new platform to stay competitive I don't I don't think that's the case I feel like KB Lake X has been planned for a while I think himtell had this idea in their head for some time now I think the reaction to thread Ripper is the high core count CPUs the the 14 16 and 18 core CPU is that they've announced but again that are still mainly paper at this point I think those are the reaction to thread Ripper I think KB Lake X is an idea that's been there that they've had that they're going ahead with because it's already been in the works and they've already got CPUs manufactured and that kind of thing again I think it's the type of thing that makes less sense but I feel like if they were to market it in a way that's not like hey we think you should buy this because it's a good value but hey we made this because we thought it would be fun for overclockers to play with I don't know I think that changes at least part of the perception of that platform but again that's up to Intel and if they even want to say that the other argument for KB Lake X is that it's designed for system integrators which is a completely other area of the market that we who do DIY stuff typically don't even grasp that much because I haven't like I have no idea how many how many computer system integrators move like boutique manufacturers pre-built computers I have no idea and I'm completely aloof blind when it comes to that area of the market but is it enough that Intel thinks that hey providing these CPUs on this platform will allow system integrators to say here person who doesn't know that much about computers here's a quad core eight thread based computer that we're selling you and they probably don't even care about the socket or the chipset or anything else going on in there they just care about a few basic facts such as core counts and memory that you know their friend who's into computers told them about they're like the Apple users of the PC world I mean yeah potentially to some degree but you know system integrate integrators that's that's another side of it that's the other side that's been explained to me is this the reason why cable a hex exists it's for the dark and again I don't fully grasp that and I don't fully understand how that can be sold to people who don't who might be less familiar with the internals of a computer but that's just that's that's what's been explained to me so so far so ya gave you like X cable again when you don't know what you're doing or or really awesome overclocking see that's I don't know no no no I just like I feel like there must be some Intel marketing people out there right now who saw who seen in Linus's video who are kind of like in that realm of like hey public perception of this isn't going so well right now and and I I guess I'm saying is I feel like that would be a way to market that wouldn't be immediately shadowed and shat upon by our viewers and everything yeah actually yeah yeah all right moving on though I feel like we gave that a good talk good talk Paul good talk yes become let's move on to some sky like X news and other news we're talking about the actual a couple models now within the sky like X family that have had their benchmarks leaked online via geek geek bench the Geekbench 3 database has revealed some some telling benchmarks of the 7800 X and the 7820 X both core i7 skylake Hicks processors this article comes from WCC F Tech so take it with a grain of salt in other words um so just just for starters let's talk about some of the specifics here within skylake X starting with the core i7 7800 X this is more of the entry-level six core 12 thread Scylla kicks processor with a base clock of 3.5 gigahertz boosting up to 4.0 and we've got eight point two five megabytes of l3 cache quad channel memory support with 28 PCIe lanes when overclocked in the 7800 X scored 60 134 points in single threaded performance and single row tests and 37 thousand three hundred and forty four points in multi-threaded tests now the main competitor as a now to the 7800 X on the AMD side is would be the risin 5 1600 X since it also sports six cores and 12 threads but rolls in at a hundred and twenty dollars u.s. cheaper so technically the 1600 X would be the more cost-effective chip that scored the 1600 X scored fifty nine hundred and fifty six points in single threaded tests and thirty six thousand and sixty one points in multi-threaded tests and this again is with both CPUs overclocked the 1600 X mind you was heavily overclocked to five point four gigahertz and you know obviously the stock results were a little bit less we're quite actually significantly less than what the overclocked ones were able to achieve but at the end of the day the 78 7800 X again based on these rumored specifications 70 7800 X had a three to four three to four percent lead over the stock 1600 X in single threaded and multi-threaded but is 56 percent more expensive so if we're reading this right let's assume that the rumors are true just for the sake of argument that doesn't seem like a great value to pick up a 70 70 100 X which is only going to be a few points higher in performance over a 1600 X but is it going to cost over 50 percent more now bear in mind that Rison does have on the CPU itself ate fewer PCIe gen3 lanes but that's not going to affect everyone but that's just again these are just the results that we're seeing right now with with these rumored benchmark leaks the core i7 78 20 K which is our 780 20 is a K or X X X X sorry I was at the typo there 78 20 X which is the fastest guy like X 8 core 16 thread model this is a bumping up from the 7800 quite a bit double the I'm sorry to 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads this is a $600 CPU from Intel with a based in boost clock up sigma33 point 16 Hertz and 4.3 gigahertz respectively the max boost 3.0 clock frequency is 4 point five gigahertz again that's on up to two cores optimized and and this is also sort of a thing that we were kind of criticizing about skylake X particularly with the CPU it's an 8 core model that has only 28 PCIe lanes where the last generation in Broadwell II that 8 core model had 44 44 44 44 40 PCIe lanes so it seems like a big step backward here if you were to you know be able if you wanted that extra that extra bandwidth for for you know additional expansion cards peripherals m2 u2 SSDs and so forth but besides the point this is $100 this to this chick this $600 chip is $100 more expensive than the competing Rison 7 1800 X on the AMD side which has the same core and 8 same core and thread count 8 and 16 respectively the 78 20x scored 6034 points in single throat of tests and 47,000 and 32 points and multi-threaded tests respectively or multi throw tests versus the 1800 X which got forty three hundred and eighty seven and three thirty four thousand six hundred and forty seven points in the same runs respectively single and multi core multi thread applications the overclocked 7820 K R I'm sorry of seventy-eight 20x scored thirty nine percent higher in single threaded and 35 percent higher in multi-threaded tests than the 1800 X and it costs twenty percent more so technically this seems like again if these rumors are true in these benchmarks are legitimate that the the 78 20x seems to be at this point a better value over the 1,800 X then the 7800 X would be over the 1600 X so there's that there's that and then finally they did they were able to find some links benchmarks in the database for Geekbench 3 on the core I 970 900 X which is $1,000 CPU 10 core 20 threads so it's technically replacing the 6950 X from Intel is the Broadwell e-equivalent corn thread count which was let's see what sixteen seventeen hundred dollars at its launch so this is technically six or seven hundred dollars lower at launch but seems to perform a little bit better actually nine percent faster in single threaded and multi-threaded tests and Geekbench 3 then the 6950 x4 significantly less dough so it seems like the seventy nine hundred x again if the rumors and benchmarks that we're talking about are true but the seventy nine hundred x core i nine seems to be the best value over the 7820 X and the 7800 X with with the seventy eight seventy eight hundred X seemingly being the worst the worst value of the bunch but those are the three CPUs on the sky like X side of things that have been you know more or less tested against the rise and counter parts or even their internal Intel counterparts but I guess the the main point here is that things look promising at least for the performance you know if you are going to go the sky like X route definitely sky like X makes a lot more sense right now than Katy like X which we're still trying to justify the reason for however obviously we're not going to really know that the true benchmarks until these processors reach us the reviewers the correct series itself is under NDA until the 12th of this month and the you can't really purchase any of them until the 26th of the June and on that date on the 26 you're only be able to purchase for four of those Skellig X CPUs the other the the rest of them will be later on later on months months away the the high-end are the high court count the HCC chips are not quite ready this month launch will only speak for the lower core count processors on scaling X I don't know anything about what you're talking about right now Oh neither do i I I did I said nothing I don't know any of that I thought we already discussed that on the show but maybe apparently we didn't deny this is all just speculation these are all random thoughts and theorems always said is this stuff's probably coming out in the next few weeks yes that's what I said I'm reading these dates from the Artic that's the WCC EFT art tech articles completely false yeah it's stupid why are we still cite them anymore um all right moving on to our next story before things go south even more a thread river thread repair Andy thread Ripper proposed again this is a rumor this could easily be the rumor mill segment of today's show a thread Ripper is to cost eight hundred and forty nine US dollars um so I'm blackmailing me in comments stop blackmailing jack go away I hate all of you um all right so this is articles from tech power up and they're just saying hey there's rumor out that AMD thread ripper might be eight hundred and forty nine dollars this would be the entry level this speaks for the entry level 16 core chip eight forty nine the thread Ripper 1998 will come in at 3.2 gigahertz with a 3.6 gig gigahertz boost 155 watt TDP and is absent of X afar so you don't get any of that extreme framerate benefits there um this would be an insane an insane truth if it were true as it this would make the entry level editor frequency range accepted free I don't always take seven frames sorry jet lag what I planned the jet lag plus the beer extended frequency range whatever it's all the same um this would be insane if it were true and $50 price point for 16 core CPU would put would put Intel I'm sorry AMD's CPU cheaper than Intel's 10 core 7900 X so that would be too few recourse for fewer threads but it would be more expensive I mean because the cheese Jesus a thread Ripper is if it were $850 there would be a lesser Intel CPU that would compete with it for a hundred and fifty dollars more because the 7900 X is a thousand or a portly going to be a thousand bucks so again this is all speculation the rumor we don't know I'm not breaking any NDA's by talking about this right now um so I don't know that I mean wishful thinking I suppose I would assume that we're all hoping that it's gonna be edited $4 that'd be cool it remains to be seen you know these these rumors so I feel like sometimes the rumors are just so on point where they're not even rumors like someone just got the information straight from the source and they just know and they just leaked it and then other times rumors are just way off base and they're just sort of like to grab views and have no have no foundation or validation whatsoever so it's hard to say at this point how expensive an entry-level thread Ripper CPU would cost but $850 for what it's worth is pretty compelling if aim D can pull off that price point so on that note let's talk about our last article here let's do a little change of pace you ever talk about Intel and AMD CPUs pretty much the whole time here yeah awesome hardware let's let's blitz up let's take a step back here and talk about something completely different which is fans let's talk about the fans Paul not not you fans will talk about the fans made by not to us specifically this was one booth or one the exhibitor that I did not get a chance to check out at copy text this year however they were showing off some pretty cool stuff and PC gamer was able to get the scoop on their latest creation which is their a series line of new PC fans um it's very exciting actually these fans these a series fans have been in development at Noctua for over four years with over 200 prototypes being tested and rather than stick with common PBT plastic for their fan blades not to ax is going to be using what they call sterics material which is a liquid polymer related to Kevlar it's very tough the molecular chain structure of this material is fairly ordered already in the liquid state when you push it into the injection mold and I'm definitely you're citing a lot of this verbatim because I don't understand it fully and it gets to a very organized structure once it hardens out in the mold basically it's a lot more stable of a material it doesn't have the tendency to shift or change shape once it's been in use for several months or years for example we will talk about more that more about that insect whereas conventional polymers are complete chaotic in the liquid state and solid state this matters because the aligned molecular molecular structure gives it more rigidity way more rigidity so actually what PC Gamer was saying is that when you actually feel the fan blades themselves you don't get any sort of flex like you do with regular PBT plastic it's it's much more sturdy it's a lot denser and firmer and they're saying that this these fans feel like no other fan in the PC market that they've ever felt before this is like a brand new thing when it comes to our this this market as using this sort of new new polymer material for fans and engineers actually call the sterics material in emergency only material since it costs about four times the amount of PBT plastic and that basically lets us know right off the bat this is not going to be the a-series is not going to be a budget fan line Noctua in general has never been known for their cheap prices but more so for their performance and low noise and this is going to outdo their existing line of fans by being even quieter and more efficient those are the basically the two new advantages two main advantages of this new sterics design so for the quieter operation addressing quieter operation typically with in even with included vibration corners or pads that fans come with out of the box there's still there's still micro vibration that occurs on the surface of the fan itself on the blade itself and as as a fan blows and/or sucks I'm not going to judge here pressure on one side of the fan is greater than the other than the pressure on the other and this new material reduces the vibration thus lessening the noise output so that's all it's all very very scientific that's fairly straightforward the other advantage of course being efficiency via a tiny tip clearance which is not nearly as dirty as it sounds this is the space at the tip clear and says basically that I learned some new today is the space between the fan blades and the housing alright so you know your fan spins in this frame this is rectangular a square frame and the amount of gap that's between the fan blade itself and the housing actually has an effect on the efficiency of the fan itself so for example if you have a large gap between the fan blade and the housing then as the fan spinning especially when it's attached to a radiator or heatsink there's going to be a lot more airflow that's being leaked through that gap and that's that's more airflow that's not being pushed through your radiator or heatsink or whatever fin stack that you have attached to your fan so what not to is done with the a-series is that they've actually created a very very slim gap only 0.5 millimeters between the fan blade and the housing so there's less air leakage there's literally less air leakage when the fan spinning so that more of that air can pass through your fin stack and that would theoretically increase efficiency it's kind of interesting too because the reason why PV T doesn't work so well for this is because PBT blades will actually extend I didn't really know this maybe I did I heard about this why are you laughing this is science why are you laughing in the face of science you should be ashamed of yourself as a tech reviewer you have no right is are you are you about to are you about to blame the blend the jet lag is anyone listening is anyone listening are you a Utah are you laughing because I'm talking about tip clearance Oh what is it because I'm putting you to sleep I heard a word you said for the bus have you literally just been completely zoned out what have you been thinking about have you even have been thinking at all has this all just been sort of uh sort of a blur to you this is like my head take my integrity our process was focused alike right Cal's gonna finish talking and I just kept going I never get I'm gonna be like yeah that sounds good but there's only so long that you can dose before before you just start losing and losing your sanity I'm sorry I'll try to wrap it I'll try to wrap this up shitty PBT fans that we mostly use right now yeah the fuck'em the fan the blades will actually get longer did you know that Paul really like without the use of hallucinogens oh the fan blades will actually extend if you use these like shitty fans did not show you fans any fan these days they use this plastic if you use it for like months or years on end they'll extend like 0.1 or 0.2 millimeters the blades will actually extend because the tensile strength of these blades is not nearly as as robust as sterics material for example soma sterics you actually don't have any sort of fan flex and and this structure and shape of your fan will stay static it will remain the same in constant throughout the entire life of the fan which doesn't seem like a big deal but when when when not to is trying to decrease the the tip clearance between the blade and the housing you really can't allow the fan blades to expand much otherwise they could interfere with the housing themselves so you know I don't even know I don't want to continue cuz I know you're just just going in one ear out the other right now I'm trying here Paul I'm trying I'm jet lag - I'm Jay I'd like to tune out everything you're saying - you know but I can't because it's my half the show and anyway the a series is gonna be great it's gonna be a great lineup stay tuned let's move on to pay my PC hey this is the last segment of this half the show good oh good oh thank god I'm done with that story um alright yeah it'd be really quick though this is really quick alright torn Brian thank you very much this is an honor of the new half case I was innocent Computex he's been pimping his og half 9:32 for like six years yo x58 platform core i7 950 thirteen fans holy crap um honestly I would say get a new computer your all of your work everything's dorms fine all the customization wrote it all away no I like I like the action figures I think they're adorable they live a delivery a lot of personality I had some character in there I see that enter max man just straight up just dangling looks like it's right in the middle on top of your SD almost looks like the graphics card has been swapped out was the 950 an upgrade to something that required PCI Express no the 950 is the processor core i7 950 oh right well graphics card that it looks like a little low-tech little mini card maybe it's a 950 years I'm sad is their peg connectors here that looks like they were previously connected to a graphics card also what's with these clear fans the old dance what are those they're for graphics card maybe but it's not with you a graphics card of that power would really need help with airflow it's kinda confusing here you know I'm a mishmash right for customized original half 9:32 this this case I'd say is worthy of like getting it and replacing it in the system inside yeah it's still a beginner if you gotta hang on to that for future use 6:58 and an i7 950 is getting pretty yeah pretty old right but I like I like the customization mmm nice terrace place still probably good oh yeah these periscope story thanks for next we got Sasha Sasha sash it rises I have 1,600 gigabyte or is xax 370 gaming 5 a sapphire r9 290 try X and the be quiet silent bass 800 beautiful a compilation of hardware there Sasha and very nice LED implementation looks great when it's all lit up thanks for that LED picture at night good shot that's a really good shot looks fantastic let's see what we're just looking at it straight on um it looks pretty solid all around the one thing I would say is you could really use some extensions on that power supply as we often say for a lot of the submissions we get here on pin my PC a little bit of sleeved extensions goes a long way my friend and I feel like in your case I would either go with straight black or I'd get some white ones or you can even get black and white ones let's say you've got already a very neutral color scheme here so that's going to let itself to be pretty handy so black and white black and/or white is going to be nice as far as the rest of the system goes from an aesthetic standpoint the only thing I could really point out here is that the Arctic branding on your water block for the CPU is upside down which is not going to bother some and it's going to drive others who are slightly OCD like myself sometimes when it comes to this sort of thing quite crazy so that's the only other thing though I agree how do you feel about the Arctic does it drive you insane or do you not give a um or somewhere now now that you've pointed out pointed it out it would be cool to have something done about that I think it but again to you to do towards the end of the aesthetic list of things to be corrected on this computer I think it's okay as is yeah potentially flipping it or just you know figure out some of the solution to paint over it or something like that could be an option I feel like even well I don't know if you could do with this cooler but even like sideways I don't mind if that if the text is like I can't go well you might be able to sort it there the bracket knee on the tee that's why I'm saying yeah yeah cool for the most part thank you very much Sasha very very nice like a build though yeah fantastic looking Oh Ben Ben Benjamin air-five Hornick z170 ex-gay mning 7a 6700 K and GTX 1060 from MSI with an H 115 i AI o white LED Corsair AF fans those are high airflow AF bro um let's see this is a pretty nice looking system here I don't know why I picked this one there's not much to pimp here the fans all match there's no colour clashing of any kind um cable management looks pretty good from what I could tell again sleeved extensions even if you have the flat black cables that come with your power supply even some sleeved black ones will look a lot better in my opinion the graphics out a huge feel the 3.5 inch drive is upside down yeah just fine it actually looks okay that way it might looking as I don't know crying it out that's an interesting way my buddy put in yeah because it's like black on black sort of um the thing that stands out about this to me is a graphics card seems small and underpowered yes compared to the rest of the system yeah 6700 K appeared with a 1060 GTX 960 just seems sort of imbalanced um and just I don't know like the rest of this build looks really fierce and yet you have this level like I don't it's like it's like a really buff guy with a tiny penis you know um so maybe just get a bigger penis there you go well put Kyle thank you Jeff El Jefe interviews with an i-5 3470 system with the niceties 77 motherboard 16 gigs of ddr3 gay bi 1050 Ti yep h 105 all-in-one a Gigabit Ethernet card to do to the motherboard port being dead oh yes sad a sad situation but hey triple San face a good use of an expansion slot so glad that you were able to still get that up and running yeah all right so you know not not the most terribly high in system but uh I'll immediately point out you've got you've got a pretty massive all-in-one h 105 on an i5 3470 which is not an overclockable cpu not like the worst faux pas you could ever do by any stretch but you've got a hundred plus dollar all-in-one which you like the I would have just gotten a 3035 what is I can't remember the SKUs for the Ivy Bridge processors 35 735 somebody canyon I've just gotten a 35 70 K right instead of that 3470 but maybe it was an upgrade down the line or something like that so whatever won't give you too much of a hard time um kale management looks on point you have some slightly clashing colors in here because you have a motherboard with that light blue aesthetic that asus was going with back in the C 70 70 days but somehow at least with this picture it looks pretty good yeah I don't know whether it's the blue white LED lights that kind of match with that or something but the ones on top of this case yeah yeah that doesn't look too bad no SSDs and again that it looks like you have an rj45 cable coming up right here in the middle of the case inexplicably why why is that there no I mean no no actually I bet that's an LED that's an LED Oh naturally it's top of trends it looks like an rj45 for a second though yeah it does um see ya Jeff I don't know what to tell you as far as making thing looks prettier you've got some nice sleeve cables on here and it for your power supply take the sticker off of your kingston SSD okay yeah and if you want to maybe make it a bit more unique maybe you could like spray-paint one of those SSDs blue and the other one red sure any cool fun idea yeah or just spray-paint Buzzle and black and make them stealth yeah but hang on to your each 105 and then upgrade everything else what do you do when you do upgrade goodie oh look here's a backplate other graphics card backplate cool that's nice thanks Jeff thanks Jeff and then finally we have an honor of I mean the honorable mention this is a just one system I wanted to commend this is from Samuel and you know it's not like the craziest most baller doubt system that we've seen here on pin my PC but I just feel like he did a good job for what he had um and it's not like you know again the most high-end components or anything he actually didn't even list what specs that were rocking here but I just feel like it's efficient oh he did I laughs I got a 30 I did get that text play tweet pea 8h 77 - V motherboard 16 okay of ddr3 iron sapphire 7950 Akula master enforcer 6-hour supply and of course 128 gig SSD with a WD 500 gig blue drive so yeah like Cal said not by any stretch a high-end system I mean a little bit older but still uh you know perfectly adequate for gaming it reminds me of I got me pre-built almost I think it might be the case I feel like it looks just reminiscent of like a modern-day pre-built maybe from MSI or something like that primary black a couple blue accents that go along with the blue LEDs on the cooler in the fans you know everything looks pretty clean I feel like that CPU cooler really matches with the case sort of aesthetic not familiar with this cool I'm not either I was just like that's a weird cooler but somehow it works so well is it a vapor X but somehow it works so well with the case and just everything else that and the graphics are everything looks just like the appropriate amount like the proportional amount of cheesy got today sir in a good way it's a vapor exploit yeah yeah okay it almost looks like a sapphire logo anyway that's Henry but um yeah I mean apart from like you know you get maybe some ketchup mustard in there but with the blue LEDs that sort of washes it out you can't really tell it all um I think it's a pretty solid build here yeah pretty solid wood consistent let's say you've kept it clean to over the years that's nice so thank you very much Samuel for that thought you deserved an honorable mention like some but what should we do now it's eight oh six do you think we should just dive into sourdough nation stuffs or do more Q and a I think we should I was just damage donation but I because people will ask even Matthew Murray okay you take a Metheny way to get a start on this um oh my god there's so many one doesn't even start yeah what is your and have started my hat I am going to look for that right now did you do okay um again there's so many people and so many people what what you call Kyle sir hahaha so I got your comment self okay sorry I'm almost done this is the last we're on the last stretch we're with the last stretch yeah we need to hurry up you need to shut it shut your face all right I'm gonna go through these uh go through these donations really quick x-ray gaming five dollars chug chug chug we are literally out of beer I have zero 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performance um III would just go for a relatively affordable affordable gtx 980ti it's still good I think it's better priced performance in the grand scheme of things as price performance II as you can get with a card of that caliber again if you have the kingpin cards a guaranteeing that you can over you can run it at certain 2025 megahertz which is a nice overclock for a 1080i but it's not like an insanely good overclock for a 1080 yet yea diminishing log returns if you're willing to spend a lot more money for a little bit more performance than kingpins where you're at otherwise go elsewhere in Dredd you for the $2 release date on fantex glacier res pump I don't know I believe they're saying q3 for most of that stuff yeah and but you should do it either tweet fantex check the fan text or directly or they said that their water cooling stuff was going to be up on performance pcs right so keep your eye out there Daniel drew Zach for the $2 share some love over to Kyle - thank you very much yeah Tom's Tom's brim grouse prims bits a hundred a hundred and ok what's that okay I don't know listening every week while working at night I have 7600 K at 5.1 gigahertz on water and 1.31 5 volts my question is about PCIe lanes if I put 960 Evo SSD does that mean it steals x4 lanes for my 980ti knows because another region Crona we've we've dealt with this before Norwegian crota is a massive the 960 Evo that would be a sada but 1909 she's really done - ah so yes it would steal for links technically from your API I believe that's correct right uh yeah no I mean it it can run on nvme it can run a PCI gen3 by - but it will be you wouldn't the man it is made to run a PCIe gen3 by four right and so yeah you'd want to avoid limiting the bandwidth to possible indeed um and then we've got I love cat weasel for the ten British pounds the goop thank you very much Kent weasel watch Laurel and Hardy's 1932 oscar-winning movie the music box it's comic genius thumbs up from the UK maybe you think it maybe I should refresher that I will I will not mistake the Laurel and Hardy's that's okay I didn't know they were before this country uh Matt Graham's for the twenty bucks I agree micro-atx doesn't get enough love especially on Rison asus has a Z to 70 Strix board with RGB options and it looks really freaking good the lowly P 350 Asus boards look like iMHO you can really tell less effort went in absolutely and of course those boards are also paired with lower price points so it's sort of understandable but it would be kind of cool to see a more sort of a thoughtful micro ATX port that maybe has some of the nice bling features for once for maybe even a little bit more money I think some some some builders would we need a crosshair six gene gene gene is my ex please write a Seuss yeah good old gene um I always think of like an old guy when I think of gene yeah motherboard gene it's better gene like the genes that are in your in you G team fettering you yeah I don't want an old guy named gene and me that's for sure Ryan Bisco barns for the fifty Canadian thank you for the help with my first build go Leafs go who are the Leafs is that a Canadian football teams for Anto Maple Leafs oh the Toronto Maple Leafs I'm sorry I'm an uncultured American well thank you very much Ryan I do appreciate that donation very generous of you des Jones with the two bucks are five sixteen and at the 350 motherboard plus EVGA for the win32 gtx 980ti winning yeah I couldn't agree more I cannot dispute that whatsoever thank you very much des Pete cotton $2 Corsair sink it best new RGB tech or wait and see um I am excited for the new Corsair software assuming that they do come out with it because it's purportedly or proposal II going to replace Corsair link and Q which I think would be a good thing instead of having three different softwares to control all the things just have one application to rule them all of course there's increasingly coming out with more RGB riddled components there hydro series of coolers RGB strips there cases etc memory so it makes sense to just have one application to do everything and the demo they showed while it is was a concept at Computex hopefully does surface as a end-user product it's at some point uh the address it to get the fanciness of the individually addressable LEDs at least for the time being is going to be more of a proprietary solution that you're going to have to invest in one company's hardware to make it all work that said of course here's option does seem like the most full-featured flexible option for controlling everything at least that I've seen so far but yeah I mean like you're not going to be able to take that and have interoperability with something like an NZXT Q or that kind of thing so there's again there's going to be a lot of fragmentation in that RGB market of like versus just your typical RGB power plug that a lot of the boards have right now versus like individually addressable more functions more features more controls but yeah I mean as long as you're willing to invest all in Corsair stuff it does seem like they have a pretty viable option for that indeed next up we've got Greg Greg Greg Reid's lost my place $20 thank you very much Greg I hooked at my new console killer PC to a 4k TV today nice know of a good resource I can use to calibrate the color also I got some good tips on painting the case from Kyle's older videos so thanks you both a pic sweet I haven't seen the tweet yet but hopefully I'll get around to it um let's see a good resource you can use to calibrate color I have no idea jeez I I honestly have not done that on any of my panels to be honest I I know I should be shunned and crucified at the stake but um it seems like a simple Google search creator look at this tech great article there you go December 31st 2016 which is the first year but when you search google for 4k TV color calibration got a little google i don't know TechRadar is a good a good company so this is like this is how I would start yeah I'm just getting something that this mystery y-you guys you've been asked this question there's color calibration tools you can buy that like hang down in front of the TV and connect via USB and actually sense the color that's on there there's probably less expensive options to the color calibration tools are probably going to cost you one or two hundred dollars often really really high ends like pro art style color depth accurate monitors will ship with the color calibration tool because they're that expensive as is indeed but uh yeah hopefully that at least gets you started surfing on that serpent XFX always a pleasure guys from $10 donation Kyle how's that camera you brought to Computex doing also z2 70 Taichi with zebb 7700 K or as gtx 980ti and 960 Evo was this a bad investment I bought it in February 2017 no I don't think so whatsoever that sounds like a fantastic system sounds like pretty much the fastest rig you can get right now on I mean for that amount of money to be honest if you're talking just pure frame rates of 7700 K is going to actually crush it paired with I mean that's that's really one of the most worthy CPUs to be paired with a GTX 280 I feel yeah it's it's not going to bottleneck even if you're at like GTA X 1080 I'm sorry even if you're in 1920 by 1080 for example not nearly as much as some of the other competitors but the camera that I brought with me to Computex was fantastic the RX 105 was just an absolute fantastic solution it was completely what I wanted was a lightweight package super portable easy if in the pocket but also strapped to say like a PCM recorder to get some really high-quality audio when that was attached to my wireless love setup and it was amazing it won't be the last time that I'm using that setup for an event that's for sure Sebastian Casella for the 50 a RS thank you very much sir great coverage of context also doubled Jenkins trademarked - Kyle double Jenkins I'm gonna start doing double Jenkins malice - Kyle for pronouncing bueno satis at Argentine peso ah yes that's right for pronouncing Buenos Aires right on one of his attempts in the last show nice Wow awesome I'm glad my lease photo that worked my pronunciation is on point there tom revin Smith's brems mitts for the 15 nook by the way this is this these are Norwegian Crohn's yes sausage and Crona yes Crona sorry when will be next pin my pc segment perhaps next week who knows I always miss them and only remember when watching the stream hopefully next week if not next week definitely the week after I usually do it either every week or every other week Juan Guerrero for another $50 donation bye guys I forgot to ask I run a four monitor setup and game use using Nvidia surround on my three asus swift PG 2 for 8 q 180 Hertz monitors what card should I use to run games like Battlefield 1 on next settings or the division I have or the division I have an msi gtx 1070 so if you have a forum on our set up you're probably using 3 own like you said 4 surround get a gtx 980ti i would say at the very least to run those um 180 Hertz monitor you're probably not gonna be able to push 180 Hertz on all three of those to be honest at 1080 over today but with with a single 1080i I mean battlefield 1 on max settings mmm I don't know about that probably not but um get two of them maybe get to 1080i for your like for your configuration with high frame rate that's when I guess we basically want as much GPU horsepower as you can handle yeah so let's start with the 1080i right now yeah and then maybe consider two of them consider to a ten seventy but I would opt for a single 1080i of the horrible forcing before to a ten seventy yeah and the motion for the two bucks can I use a 3216 by 4 gig ram kit with Rison 1800 X probably not depending depends depends on the RAM kit the - depends on what types of actual the dedicated circuits are used on that Ram kit if it is not a kit that is already validated specifically for Rison then you're probably not going to just be able to run 3200 speed especially with a 4 stick kits out of the box it's just that's more of a challenge for rising your best bets right now or to get memory that you know works with Rison there's some core circuits and some g.skill kits that have been validated for higher speeds and your best bet is to stick with this few memory sticks as possible so I would opt for a 2 by 8 gig kit versus a 4 by 4 gig kit and upgrade later maybe down the line once compatibility improves yeah we'll eat $10 but my first PC based on your guys's videos couldn't have done it without you awesome year asus asus IX was at 9 Hero III 777 ok EVGA GTX 1080 for the win - EVGA 750 want g3 Corsair Vengeance ok just much respects I hope I have chosen well that's a nice system so it's good nice to see today so we said ok why not you're gonna have people coming at you telling you you should have bought a Rison and blah blah and you could get 6 course cruisers but you know what for gaming it's a 7700 K and your setup you're totally fine yeah give yourself 6 months to a year and a half before you start thinking to yourself maybe I should get a higher cork out CPU if you are going to do any good things other than you know game if you're gonna be streaming for example editing whatever x-ray gaming for the two bucks wake up Paul I'm trying to stay awake we're almost done but you guys keep donating we can answer your stupid questions no I'm just kidding we love you all thank you for donating right again bread rant $20 holy crap for Paul hanging in there well at least he tried to tell my best he's an old man his time has come Daniel drew Zach again for the 2 bucks not to a fan sleeper agent active activate what does that mean not to a fan sleeper agents as I was falling asleep while you were trying to explain this stuff about this ah yes of course yeah that's like that's like the ultimate Paul lullaby is a series not to a fans they don't use the TBT into that all right the Pvt plastic stuff is different but all the stuff about the distance between the fins and the thing like it's all from last year talked about it all next guy well it was a refresher who knows you might have been asleep last year when they were announcing all right Adam Yeager $2 can you wish my wife Rachel happy birthday happy birthday Rachel over at their birthday you look you look 21 years young anymore I really hope you're happy return actually older than 21 otherwise that would be a compliment um Brian to Alverez $5 worth the pricing with the pricing of the ASUS Maximus 9 code plus a core i7 SETI 700 is this a sound buy or should I wait for the X $2.99 chipset plus Scylla combos honestly no just good just get the disc at the Maximus 9 code with a semi 7 okay it's gonna be awesome do it don't I mean unless you're unless you're doing some really high-end that's workstation based if you're just gonna be gaming get the semi someone who came I agree with Kyle if all you're doing is gaming yeah Dylan Gregory $2 thank you for the donation Dylan Gregory for $5 do you guys wanna get recommendations for external optical drives no nope they're all pretty much the same to me yeah they all the same yeah get one that works yep there is a new 4k blu-ray optical drives that just recently launched for computers but I haven't Asus had one at their booth they did this year it was RGB I wasn't ready to be optical drive fairly yeah okay III featured in my in the outro that I did for that that booth I didn't get that far okay deep down the rabbit hole you had to go Oh cotton peep gotten $5 you guys are awesome thanks for the great response thank you for the donation Christian up on $2 hey they wait and how can a fan buy a build from you unless your local I'm probably not gonna ship it because it's gonna cost a lot of money and also risk damage in the process so usually I only you know sell or pawn off systems for giveaways if I'm going to be shipping it otherwise you pretty much have to be local sorry Bobby jr. for the 10 bucks hey guys I'm a fairly new subscriber and I really enjoyed both your channels just wondering well technical back you guys have do you guys have degrees I don't I mean I have a degree but it's in something completely different than anything related to tech really I mean as multimedia production has nothing to do with like building pcs or knowing about DIY hardware things like that I pretty much learned a lot that I know today from Paul after working more after getting a job at Newegg about four or five years ago now I just sort of learning you know learning the ropes from him and and then after breaking off from Newegg just sort of going on my own exploration and doing research and things like that I don't have a degree either I was a bad college student I learned most of stuff I know from reading and just being interested in it and a storied maximum PC the magazine lot back in the day and yeah just kind of staying up with the tech news and learning as much as I can whenever I can thanks Internet X ray gaining for the five bucks I feel bad for you can they all drink so fast and Paul is sleepy now don't give in to peer pressure guys rise above and thanks for the responses thanks x-ray x-ray surge for the five bucks can you give me some input on my sleeper land project I sent you a feeler on Twitter about water cooling it oh my goodness oh my goodness um let's see sleeper land project so it's like a land rig oh jesus an iMac Oh God is that really it oh it's really an iMac that has a if you built the PC onto it oh wow this is like a really in-depth project this is like something that you'd see on the front page of Twitter or something uh honestly just from at a glance it looks like a very ambitious project that you've taken on and it looks cool I mean I see windows booting onto an iMac I I like that's fun I tend to like that sort of thing so uh congrats and good luck on the rest of the project if you're not finished with it yet so thank you very much search and then I think on that note we can go ahead and do some really quick jobs and shout outs because I've got a couple here first off Johnson to Ryan for picking up a white logo bit wit shirt thank you very much sir we've also got a Johnson for Jason B iron Washington DC ranking so Johnson uh thanks Peggy and then we've also got one from Chris Vega his last name is Vega that's all yeah ah there you go that would sure - thank you sir and in the last web yes Jason begets double destined to double jobs oh this all right Wes that's pretty much it so on that note ladies and gentlemen I got a message from from from cell it just said Paul is asleep I was that asleep I was only partially asleep all that I can just go on like ramble on them I have the show without even noticing that you're unconscious um all right very interactive show we have here let's do a final twitch raid so true for a favorite streamer of mine uh 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