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Awesome Hardware #0108-A: Threadripper 1950X Benchmarks, PCIe 4.0, Skylake X Launch Dates

2017-06-13
this help of Dussehra Scott no I didn't I tried to find it on thesaurus couldn't find it and then it just popped into my head what the word was the word was triumvirate means three judges that's like yeah it's it's actually goes back to them so I said like Greek I think does it have any relation to the the dog with three heads because I was also a great thing no that was it try k9 it true yeah try dogger it three dog owes actually three dog owes three dollars out goes try dog owes I don't know this is a quiet buttery very Greek what here watch I may go away this doesn't all your buzz hello hello everyone we're a little early we're slightly well we were slightly early and then we talked normally for a while but now alright so it looks like we're streaming we're good alright let's start the show welcome this is episode 108 of awesome hardware you're watching side a this is a show that Paul and I do every single Tuesday at 5:30 p.m. Pacific time right here on twitch TV where we streamed the entire broadcast in its entirety or you can watch us on YouTube where we split it up split it up into two halves again this is side a after we cut on YouTube we'll be heading over to pulse channel side B can go ahead and check it out I put a link in the description below if you're watching on YouTube of course and this is a fun show where we like to have a couple beers on while we talk about tech news and sometimes things that aren't tech news related at all sometimes it's a bit of a variety show we like we like to switch it up here and there so great it's a great introduction I thank you very much Paul antastic cons it's almost like I've done this 107 other times before but you know it's we keep we keep it going we we hope that you are refined too though every time every time yep so it's just a little bit better right maybe maybe one day with steady steady increase yep so yep no yeah but I'm going to agree with that animal awkward pauses absolutely so we are going to go ahead and dive right into it because all I actually we be getting sushi later there's a high chance of sushi in the future yeah but but the place closes at 9:00 p.m. they do have that yeah so we got to make sure we're on point here yeah we threw things you can roll through this move from an A to B so important been sushi first off let's quickly plug our stories all right so my story is bit with tech slash store I'm still selling a bunch of stuff some things are out of stock okay remember which ones are but these glasses the glasses are should be nicer in stock all right those are 20 ounce bad boys so same same capacity as pulse look at that we have the same the same capacity his might be lit up to four of them his same Delia this handy drop that maybe a little dirtier than mine that's okay hold the same amount a little bit a little bit just restock the of evolution shirts those those read those are back in stock all right and Paul is also selling certain Paul's Paul's hardware net yeah he's got a wide selection of goodies including polo shirts some thirties you know more glasses is my glasses just oozing at the top my glasses Paul's and every glasses come with beer they come with the beer inside of them it's not true and we're stuck we're selling goods we can't just make false claims about them sorry this is this is the only way that I get people to buy things let's put it the most we lied like fine print but we don't have fine print so we have to meet you'll say actually that's false hey want to cover our butts this is true all right speaking of covering our butts let's cover some stuff on the internet like the things that we talked about into fund or not to fund a special segment that we like to do sometimes okay I hate the show say cheers Cheers cheers to each other these are the show in all of you all you guys have to hopefully your legal drinking age if you decide to drink with us drink responsibly drink safe follow it up with some sushi drink a lot but also drink responsibly all right all right so this is define not too fun I did a bunch of weeding in my backyard this weekend whoa whoa you know that's TMI Paul yeah it was grounds like a periscope I did recently we do is laborious there's no relation there but um all right so this just wow this is jumped up quickly Wow oh yeah morning it was at 36 K now it's a 41 k sorry a 41 we're looking at crowd crowdfunding campaigns those of you who are new to this whole thing or just checking them out to see what's what struggling will tell you which of these you should buy into yep now this this one does seem like probably more legit because it is by the by the makers of Roomba by the Roomba guy so the Roomba people have made the turtle turtle oh yeah they say it is a solar-powered weeding robot for your garden which I recently having spent so much time gardening my garden and hating how many weeds and stuff are there I'm somewhat interested in so now at first I was like that is it like yank stuff up or whatever no that's basically like well weed whacker yeah it's a little mini weed whacker that goes a nylon wire underneath that spins anytime it detects a little shrub that's less than an inch tall yeah so it just goes over it chops it down and the theory here is if you run it everyday you don't actually need to pull the weed completely out by the root because it'll just it'll just sweep it regularly and it'll just keep chopping it down and it'll detect you know if it's if it's a plant that's longer than or taller than an inch it'll just go buy it you can also put little guards around plants that you want to protect so that it knows not to chop them chop them up I'd love to see someone pull a prank with this like put it in their neighbor's backyard who like likes to grow like actual weed like marijuana and just have it take out and destroy their entire weed garden that mean we're gonna be the very small plants you'd have to get them early on yeah you'd have to get them you know before they start button obviously but it looks like it's got some pretty heavy-duty wheels too you know kind of trek across the soil alright powered at solar-powered right so it would probably lose to a Roomba in a fight if it was indoors you've got these little metal brackets that you put around your plants because if you're growing small plants they need time to grow before they're large enough for the turtle to recognize them as larger plants now the thing that I immediately realized is like okay it's it's judging whether or not to kill the plant based on how big the plant is so this would not solve my problem of like already having two-foot tall weeds in my backyard right which which you know there's a lot less of them now but they're still significant amount this would definitely preempt that a bit so yeah you gotta you gotta already have liked it relatively well-tended garden and then this will go around and and and whack off the just the tiny it whack ops a tiny buds beautifully said beautifully said should market for these gentlemen simple design there you know any weed whacker does its like this do you ever have to replace the the nylon thing there I imagine maybe my weed whacker that's what I have to do constantly place the damn nylon thing right winder a twine that thing around in there I'm sure it lasts of why it's probably easy to replace yeah so super early birds could have gotten it for 200 bucks right now to get in there are still less than 50 left for the $225 not quite as early bird option here so 225 bucks right now estimated delivery May of 2018 only shipping to certain countries you also get a package of the plant colors super useful after those are gone it's going to jump up to 250 which seems like that'll be a CY there's already people there's already three backers who are just like no I don't want to give me extra money 225 I'll give you just I'm just gonna go straight for the full price and memorator anyway I think that the types would be useful but look yeah let's hold on I know Joe even Christmas Paul let's see what other potential beauties here are Ike's on to fund or not to buy next up we've got the Arsenal this is the intelligent camera assistant that's already been funded 1.3 million dollars out of $50,000 50 grand I obviously this caught my eye for that reason alone and I was like okay I have to see what's going on here and this is this is more so geared towards the gear head if you will who's into photography and and camera work and things like that Dmitri was the first to come to mind however it uses a I to take the perfect shot so if you're a professional or avid photographer you know that anytime you're about to take a shot of any sort of environment you have to sort of tailor the the different settings right you have to change your ISO you got to adjust your your sure your shutter speed all these things need to be sort of the right balance for the particular environment you're shooting in so this is just a sensor that actually has 18 different environmental questions so to speak that it that it will ask and go visit sir it'll it'll just not even presets it'll actually just run down a list are you are you outside of 18 different environmental factors it'll analyze where you are what you're looking at and then from there it'll automatically dynamically adjust all those various cameras is there a large aluminum structure 90 degrees to your right um what would that have any news it might be reflecting you know oh right yeah things like these are they ours i someone in a coma okay it's zero it's no big : right is there any megapixels tripod vibration somebody pick slacking off and execute image stabilization so it basically takes the perfect shot and they go up nice little before-and-after here okay um so that's kind of cool it also does stacking you can do photo stacking so it can actually take let's say multiple images of the same scene at different exposures and then overlap those photos to basically give you a high dynamic range image that makes sense it was detecting wind shake there was detecting wind show it was it was very smart decreasing the shutter speed it's very observant yes exactly so it's just it's very reactive based on what you're shooting so this is an example of some stacking three photos of different exposures to get sort of a nice high dynamic HDR effect this basically replaces photographers so yes it's as if you're a lazy we don't need photographers and your lazy ass photographer and just put this thing and have a nice camera right by your way to taking amazing photo this is how Skynet starts so let's see it can't it can't frame the photo for you though it can't it that's the patch update see you buy that you buy the tripod head attachment and it'll just exactly know how to frame it'll do rule of thirds or rule of fifths or whatever the hell you want it'll just boom it'll be a better photographer than anyone it can't tell you what to point the camera at though Dmitry's not any trees in trouble guys I look at a lot of time lapses um so 150 for the early bird 175 if you're not so early that's a lot to pay to be a lazy photographer yeah yeah I mean that's wait how much would I think 150 to 175 I mean if you're a what's the camera compatibility you need um Sony Nikon Canon and isn't any of the Fuji all the big ones all me then what else has a USB connector I ever imagined right yeah alright let's that sounds like a point three million dollars clearly people want it Ansel Adams is rolling in his grave yep alright for Anne's 11 talked about the pilot a smart earpiece language translate it's a Babel Fish to Babel Fish yes that's the moment that's when we put in the notes real-life Babel Fish is four point four million dollars Wow well this is us the Arsenal was was hotcakes well this were plates Trant replaces translators it's like almost all of the stuff we're talking about I guess though everything replaces stuff right like the turtle thing places gardeners yeah the Arsenal Asus photographers photographers and now we're replacing the need for translators yep yeh yeh technology jobs alright so Turner bucks for the pilot is all that's available for this right and sorry you can you can either pending I plan I think that's actually sold out or no longer available you can pre-order it for 250 now oh you just have to go directly it's gone up we we made too much money at IndieGoGo yeah they probably have a cut-off like you have to you so I'm this guy this guy in the right he's the owner the founder would ever end apparently he said he got the idea for making this not from Hitchhiker's Guide to the galaxy no way I think is total but he said that he he got the idea after meeting a French girl while he was travelling abroad and you know not being able to communicate with her because she spoke very little English which I don't know if this is the French girl but it looks like okay it looks like they're platonic friends so even though he can now understand her it doesn't any better at getting women that's clearly what's going on here I guess it works very similarly to Google Translate if you've ever used that because there is a voice feature there yeah we were kind of using it a bit in Taiwan it was sort of spotty so I think that's really what's going to make or break this sort of technology is how accurate the translation is because if it's just sort of jumbled or still like you know half broken sentences its dog that might need us odd noises so I think it is should I go do the thing or no um oh no it's my house okay you do it ladies and gentlemen it appears that we have an unexpected visitor or an unexpected delivery perhaps all right Paul's Paul's going to the door he's opening the door I can see I can't see him but I can see that there's now more more light coming into the house indicating that the door has been opened it looks like the doors been closed but I no longer hear Paul looks like Paul is now outside of the house I think Paul is dead I think that's what what's what's just happened whoever came here has just murdered Paul Oh God there was ever a time to get swatted I hope like that would work out perfectly right if we got swatted right now like it would be like oh thank god you're here my friend just got murdered oh no it's a it's a pizza it's just a pizza I thought you were dead I'm so glad you're alive with pizza with pizza no less all right oh Jesus no he's okay everyone no no no more rips Paul is alive he's alive and well with pizza is this pizza from from from from Brian Brian Brian you son of a gun you sumbitch thank you Brian Murr exit in chat if you're watching which I'm sure you are thank you very much for delivering us a pizza which I see Paul's getting some plates out he's getting stuff out sorry sorry for the headphone users in chat we apologize it's not from Linus Winans would never send us a pizza he'd send us a pipe bomb all right sweet what kind of pizzas it ooh it's a meaty one he knows we like our meat hell yeah now my favorite paper RGV Python to be quick to be corrected to be sure ah yeah um well jeez guys I guess what's everyone's what's your guys's favorite pizza what is your favorite pizza in the world I don't care what it is it can be peanut M&Ms peanut M&M pizza I'd still love you I think you're really weird never hang out with you but oh my goodness you know oh here oh oh my goodness Julie no here oh no you're so gross such a gross dog Jack he wants to be loved and loved with love blue paint did I say pepperoni and sausage I meant vegetarian this is it all of it this is all video it's only veggies that's why I can't eat it there's nobody anymore lately tional thank you oh you have yeah was it because you started to realize just you had no strength you know no had nothing to do with that you were do I literally felt no no better or worse felt weak all the time I felt no better or worse really any my shits were a lot easier that's back then but at some point I was just like I really miss eating this cow yeah you know I love it out all right so let's not get too distracted here but Brian thank you so much better than even that was of course you Brian you're very kind YUM they talk about this oh yeah so watch these should be fun um I'll be honest I know you you're gonna pick the weed whacker yeah but I mean the the smart earpiece language translator I mean I have to see I have to see it reviewed I have to see someone use it but that just seems so incredibly useful for travel and anything like that throw I mean especially depending on how many languages it can but pick up and translate well I have stuff wouldn't the other person that you're the foreigner that you're interacting with also need one for you would have to like give them one yeah this wouldn't that be weird like here gives you like a magician but you don't know who the they are you don't even know you can't even you never even said akka curat word to them before and now they're like stick to still here so and all it needs a partner product that's like a little you talk into it and then it right hello this is a new technology just like a version that's a speaker that just speaks it out loud for you or something I am NOT crazy yeah put this in your ear please okay that's what it should say should be able to say that that's the first thing it should say yeah and then and it's in all over in all languages sometimes yes the same time just rolls through okay okay um yeah I agree with you that would be a pretty cool thing if it worked well um but let's let's move on shall we because we've got some other things to talk about here including hot and heavy hardware whoa hmm it's hardware that's hot and heavy that's why it's cold out in here all right the first thing on the agenda here is a fun little product or a series of products from Logitech they've developed a wireless charging mousepad that is pretty genius this is this article comes from ARS technica thank you guys there now wireless charging from the get-go wasn't there another company that had something similar to this every now that's allowed to talk about that yet Asus I I didn't name the company because if we're not supposed to talk about it I didn't want to say what the name of the company was well I was talking about something they had at CES so it's that now I'm talking about something Computex uh I wouldn't know much about that Paul okay yep let's move on then alright so what does this do Kyle it's a wireless mouse mouse mouse pads it charges your be out mousepad while you're gaining steal never that's nothing like the thing is I detect nope not at all okay but maybe I don't know maybe cuz I didn't see that thing that you're talking about Computex I didn't see it but I feel like this article wouldn't have been written like with such like oh my gosh this is so cool if that had been well like I said I'm not positive I'm not positive if it if it was something that they were just showing you press ah okay that wasn't being talked about publicly yet did they put like that but I remember I remember because I actually didn't go and see it I was told about but I didn't go and see it I think I know yeah okay but like I said okay anyway point being being hey look what logitech did yay um okay so anyway this is cool because wireless charging in the past was kind of pointless like you still had to have your device or whatever on a pad this works because the mouse is always going to be on the pad like you don't ever have to remove the mouse and very rare instances where you never have to like take it off the pads which means it's always going to be charging while you're using it that's pretty pretty sweet the bundle the powerplay bundles 100 bucks it includes a wireless charging base to switchable surfaces so you get hot hot hard or soft surfaces that's kind of mousing and a power core module that's what they're calling it a power core which is the small little puck that is inserted into a compatible power play system power play Mouse so that's a little puck looks like it goes sort of where the the weight tray what we initially originally go and that's how it sort of gets its power it's not a Qi charger it's not a Qi charger not the Qi charger which is actually pronounced Qi for some reason it's not a Qi charger but it's a proprietary in-house technology made by Logitech that's based on magnetic resonance wireless power transfer and that basically the way that works is the power core the little puck that's in there I don't know why that pictures there the little puck that go to the mouse I said it looks like the Batmobile oh okay yeah maybe that's true so the power core puck that goes into the mouse has a small antenna that communicates with another antenna or maybe several antennas that are in the mat when power flows through one coil which which it's it's going to then the other resonates and that can be that power can be turned into electricity it's all very scientific Batmobile launched there's going to be two supported mice the g9o two Batmobile which is a modified g9o 900 Batmobile and the G 703 I don't know g7 no the reals yeah oh yeah they pull up the picture as I'm talking about sorry sorry they're the one with the both of them white and the black one the day 703 is the white one I believe similar to the g4o 403 those are both available later this month the mouse can charge anywhere on the mat so it doesn't need to be like centered or off to one side or the other which would really suck if that were the case now that would be lame and the the whole bundle will be available on August 20th and the aforementioned mice again will be ready later this June so I feel like this is probably gonna take off the only thing this is missing is RGB I mean the little little G logo on the little power adapter there is RGB but we need more RGB the mouse isn't you know uh I think the mouse might be doesn't say whether it is or not so I don't know I would imagine it is but I'm talking about the mouse pad itself they got to step it up to like raise your koala needs to have like the Firefly RGB and a trim trimmer on the outside yeah that's it's kind of every it's definitely the first thing that I think about yeah I mean come on because you know some people out there they're like well this is really cool but I'm still gonna buy the Firefly because it looks pretty I'm sorry just that's just where we are now it's what this has come to so keep an eye out for that maybe we'll take a look at it that's overcome one of the two main problems with wireless mouse been dying one is the mouse being charged two is the mouse's connectivity with the wireless receiver wherever that happens to be which in most cases is not an issue at this point but in situations where there's lots of interference can be mm-hmm that's true um moving on Samsung you guys are probably seen this already a thousand times look at this she had were ultrawide monitor they've tried over thousand times maybe maybe like five hundred look how wide that what did they just have what is this excel this is Excel it probably goes all the way to Z yeah um now this is a 49 inches Jesus for nine inches 32 by 9 aspect ratio so 16 by 9 side-by-side yep - 16 by 9 side-by-side and actually to 1920 by 1080 side-by-side because it's a 38 40 by 1080 this is a resolution cue LED quantum dot supporting HDR 10 standard and it features a AMD freesync to cool free seat to latest free sync available one millisecond response time 144 Hertz refresh rate so not only would this be a good monitor for ultra productivity as you see in the Excel spreadsheet there but also you can do some serious gaming especially if you have let's say you know an upcoming Vega GPU to push that 144 Hertz refresh rate I'm sure that would be a pretty fun panel to game on could you imagine gaining on that though I mean they're pretty crazy I mean like the 21 by nine already encompasses what I feel like is most of my peripheral vision yeah this would just absolutely dominate it and I almost I almost feel like the wider though the wider the monitor like the the more trapped I feel vertically yeah I miss vertical pixels yeah I feel like I can't it's definitely a very very very wide trash compactor it I mean you see people who do the triple monitor setups and this seems like a bit more viable than that because you do not dealing with the bezels and it's like you know having to 16 by 9 1080 1080 monitors for a while with would be an awesome gaming setup if it wasn't for the fact that the bezels were dead center yes oh yeah anything on pricing 50 or a 1,500 bucks 1,500 freaking bucks oh yeah that's pretty honestly I would expect around that price that's for the 49 inch mm-hmm but there's also a 1/32 inch for $6.99 and a 27 inch for a little bit less 27 what like 27 inches that's also the same aspect ratio I didn't it didn't mention the article is just part of the see like that would be like 4 inches to like 4 inches tall and yeah with that aspect ratio with a 30 by nine aspect ratio that would be a very security support monitor but I don't know if this is really practical I mean gaming yes it's gonna kick ass I would imagine practicality I think it depends on what you're doing what kind of multitasking you're really looking at I feel like ever since using my predator x34 as my daily driver I feel like I much rather prefer to monitor side by side just for the snapping ability you have more areas to see you have more sides and edges of the screens - snap - snapping it's nice and just I love snapping for that's just me though like if I'm streaming it's nice to just be able to like partition things on two monitors than it is on one I guess but again it depends on if you're if you're using Excel you need if you really need like this is that zag actually a really good example of why you need to keep ultra wide if you really needed a full comprehensive look at like a long Excel spreadsheet or something like that you wouldn't want to drag that across two monitors and have a bezel in the middle or something like that you know I mean so it just depends on what you're doing again 1500 bucks is a pretty penny I'm sure that there's a very niche market who's going to be into that moving on though we've got a crazy see sonic titanium power supply this was shown at Computex this year I did not get a chance to stop by see sonic fanless um it's completely fanless this is an article from an ad tech thank you very much Anton this is a featuring two new additions to see Sonic's existing prime titanium family which they announced earlier this year these are showcased again at the recent Computex this is including a 600 watt unit and a thousand watt unit you'll see thousand want units too much anymore because graphics Kubik graphics cards are just becoming much more power efficient but the 600 watt seems interesting it's 80 + titanium as are all the units in this lineup is a 600 watt the only one that's fanless are they all famous I think love the thousand well fan was - um but connectivity I'm sorry it complies with ATX 12 volt um viii 2.4 as well as EPS specifications 12-year warranty oh that's a long long warranty I thought when they went up to ten I was like wow that's as long as the warranty is going to get now it's up to 12 you know he's getting longer Paul you know he's aggressive so fanless fully modular flat black cables the connectivity for the 600 watt anyway which is model number SSR 600 TL includes two six plus two pin PCIe power connectors for the graphics cards of course six SATA power plugs five molex headers and one floppy connector that have that floppy price though go hold your breath up to $300 u.s. mmm we might be seeing for the 600 watt model and they give us a range in Euros 224 to 275 275 being the high end is $300 u.s. so at the most this will cost 300 maybe it'll cost 250 at the low end but it's a very hefty price premium for all the all the things you're getting here 80 plus titanium certification 12 year warranty again though if you are guaranteed that this thing's going to last you 12 years maybe maybe but still I would imagine other less expensive units are going to last you that long hold on though these are listed separately so I think that 600 watt unit is only one that's fanless oh really yeah is right here they have the C Sonic prime fanless titanium 600 watt that's listed here but some then they also have the C Sonic prime titanium series okay which seems to have a different model number gotcha or maybe I don't know I just I could see the six not being the only one that's fanless does it have a DB rating and that in that chart up here oh no it doesn't remind no just wattage and rails okay um but anyway well they have this power supply and this power supply which means I think it has some beefier heat sinks on some of the more via the hotter components just to make sure it doesn't overheat probably um things like that but uh yeah if you're in the market for a high end power supply I feel like 600 watts is pretty pretty good yeah I mean I wanted to go them it's a good amount for pretty much any standard single GPU gaming yeah system and a little bit extra on top yeah this is true all right let's move on to the last last piece of hardware here for today's hot and heavy hardware which is the Xbox 1x I know you're all thrilled to hear about this yep but I thought I'd just mention it really quickly simply because it's all the buzz all the hype right now this was initially project Scorpio that we've been hearing about for quite some time it was just announced two days ago the official name is Xbox 1x which i think is a stupid name first off um and it's basically the next console launching from Microsoft on November 7th for 500 bucks 500 bucks so ok undo it be you know and I kind of like it when these consoles come out now because it gives us like PC gamers more PC centric users an opportunity to try to like beat it out at the same price you know what I mean try to build like another top seller you got to beat it out you got a bet you got to build a console killer now that's going to beat out this the level of quality that the Xbox one X can pump out you know the same price so all existing Xbox one accessories are going to work with this thing Microsoft's Microsoft is supposedly going to use super sampling on the new console to make games look sharper even on 1080p displays so I would imagine that something similar to nvidia x' dynamic super resolution perhaps I don't know if it's if it's anything like that but it sounds like it's super Sam close your exam please yeah okay then then I'm correct and then I knew that yeah the pizza thing so it's going to ship with six teraflops of graphical horsepower more than the ps4 pro mind you with only 4.2 teraflops lame using custom GPU running at eleven hundred and seventy two megahertz I don't really have any more information on that GPU it's using a liquid cooled vapor chamber design inside of what's what they're calling the smallest Xbox ever it is tiny pretty darn small leaning against the Xbox one controller there you can probably throw that into a backpack I think that's pretty small yeah so that's good on them for that ships with an Ultra HD blu-ray drive for 4k content that's the only reason that I got the Xbox one a store like the anime reason yeah you're watching planet Earth two on that recent that's actually really cool I bet one terabyte of hard drive storage a surprise there's no like SSD storage yet I guess they're trying to keep the price down there's going to be 22 console launch exclusive and exclusive titles including crackdown 3 sea of thieves and Forza Motorsport 7 which will run at native 4k 60fps okay but but I mean technically anything can run in 4k 60th well I shouldn't say anything but many games could probably run at 4k 60fps if you just crank down a lot of the quality settings so it's a matter of you know resolution verse versus other other filters that might be you know adding to the quality of the overall experience maybe there's maybe it's 4k but you know there's there's no there's no shadows it's like zero shadows or tessellation no desolation everything's just flat it looks like Super Mario 64 so clean oh no anti-aliasing either that's what I mean in 4k though technically you don't even need a just you know everyone knows that Pokemon stupid okay that's enough talk on the Xbox one x4 now let's move on to something a little bit more interesting face off Paul and I go head-to-head in a shitty online two-player game and the stakes are high this time the punishment since I couldn't think of anything else more creative is death so one of us isn't making making it making and making it out alive after this this round so you ready are you ready to should I hope I win otherwise I want to have however really be able to do you'll have to do my half of the show no no that sucks I hope well then my diner better hope you die I'm hoping all right I can't wait to die give your your keys yeah bottle opener I always have a bottle up in there I'm getting ready to die never know when you're gonna need a there ever another train is ever gonna die okay alright so what yeah you have another beer okay yeah just making sure I'm working on it I'm working on it so the game we're playing today actually um you probably need that that keyboard dudes oh yes ah yes you're already not prepared for the face-off that's okay this is called foosball game you know you're lucky that we're not just playing foosball that we're playing foosball game that we're playing a online game that's imitating foods ball cuz for you're just playing foosball you kick my ass I probably beat you like physically no not that I mean well I mean yes physically in a certain sense but not like with your fists like you know I mean I probably win like the man I'm pretty I'm pretty good at foosball Oh someone say I'm pretty bad at foosball well so maybe I would surprise you with how else having not played foosball in like quite a few years but I used to be pretty damn good at it so who knows but well more to the point we'll see if that translates to a digital environment it it might you never know alright so we're going to do two player this is a very complex very complex game here I don't know if we'll be able to even like fathom or get a hold of all the controls scroll down should I all right is it playing already know scroll down okay yeah probably rolls out whatever okay so our one i'm W&S and you're up and down so it's gonna be it's gonna be tough you know we're we're clearly not we're clearly in over our heads I am player one so I don't think we're playing yet unless did you plug this in to player might have already been doing I'm not sure do player two player okay oh and I'm the blue X happen automatically the kicks happen automatically looks like I just scored oh no I'm red what I'm red and I usually score oh wow I'm at amazing by the way it's right there is a score there is score on either side right geez yeah alright this is really kicking your ass we're off you can only control all of them together because Oh Julia there we go good lord it is two two two now you'll never get it you'll never get away with this oh I just oh and by the way Oh boss is bad oh my god I'm so good it's not even fair oh oh oh you got glimmer a funcle' give you that glimmer of hope no let's go move the ball down the field oh you pansy No Oh aim Oh some David Beckham right there oh Jesus I was just deep shine that's the translation right after the ball rolled in on the transition foods cheap as hell and cheap so strategy so cheap like that Oh like that Oh hottest of it okay oh Jesus is this game oh good I'm so good oh just believe Kyle please shots on goal you had there in a row oh damn it yes yeah I win you die that's all yeah it's not best-of-three earnings all right well the best-of-three sure we got time we got time we're still going on time okay all right here we go I got it I got a stage you come back here all right we're gonna have to see what you're made out first do anything a second chin there we go oh yeah you know got to give you one gotta toss you a bone every once in a while I blocked that that was sorry man just this game is poorly coded your golden days are over that's ridiculous you hit your peak at 15 a game of foosball there we go yet tied it up okay put it in my bud now oh now it's the time when champions are made whoa horn fires of Mordor think of something besides Oh God oh my god Kenneth Oh good looking layups gonna limp gonna win now going home it feels boho look then look at that block right there what no yes that was nuts Jesus all right my quads are getting so ripped right now oh come on trying to play the transition right there but don't feel the burn this is terrible terrible we got forgot this is match point right now things are not looking good for me what I'm trying to say oh oh man this is this is hard to watch ladies and gentlemen freshest hitting hard to watch oh that's frustrating knowing that I if we were actually playing foosball that I would be better much better all right you wins the wrong platform okay Iowans tune - no sorry and stop yelling get really excited and I yell sometime cows Cipriano any time face off happens just crank the volume old weed um so Paul's dead then carry on I literally have no other punishment than pauldine so Paul do you promise everyone that after we stream this episode of Awesome hardware that you will die what say yes well after the sushi after sushi after sushi yes I didn't want to miss that thank you at least you'll die happy thank you for allowing me spare my life until then pull this guy off at least have a final meal or whatever night that I pull guys off regularly okay alright time for news news there's only um two or three stories here because we're trying to keep things quick for TV but um the first thing I want to talk about take this thread Ripper 19:50 X for months has been leaked out this is an article from none other than WCC F Tech so watch out take everything that I say here with a grain of salt because I'll be lies and the whole lies of subterfuge yep it's a big reason so the rise in thread referred 1950 X was tested in week bench this is the 16 core 32 thread monster with a base clock of 3.4 gigahertz I believe it was running its stock there was no mention of it running overclocked in these tests it features 32 megabytes of l3 plus eight megabytes of l2 that's 40 megabytes in total in case you can't add and the chip was tested on asrock X 399 professional gaming motherboard which was featured at Computex so in the Geekbench single-threaded tests it scored 40 167 points while scoring twenty four thousand five hundred and thirty nine points in multi-threaded applications or in the mote that tried to test which is pre pre damn good it's pretty solid actually WCC F Tech went went on to compare these results to an Intel Xeon e5 26 97 a which has the same core and thread count with a turbo frequency that matches the base clock of the 1950 X fed repperton and what they found was single threaded performance scored 3651 points which is slightly lower than thread Ripper and thirty thousand four hundred and fifty points on the multi-threaded test which is higher than Red River so what what we're seeing here is sort of like there it's trading blows based on whether we're talking a single core or multi core performing interesting I wouldn't have I wouldn't have called thread Ripper to score higher on the single core yes we're on the multi core that's kind of surprising again all speculation and stuff but I mean but yeah again of course assuming this is actual again it's a Xeon to so this would it's a Xeon but I mean it's this is a recent Xeon right it's a broad well easy on ya and rise in instructions four o'clock performance has been roughly on par with broad well II this is a pretty decent jump over that four down 67 verses 36 51 right but also might speak to you know the the does it say the memory that is running at because the Infinity fabric is what ties all the CCX UNIX oh yeah 16 gigs at a thousand 65 right there that's on me that's all right here that's really low so if the memory is actually running at this speed then again that would seem weird but weirder yeah I don't know infinity fabric is what ties the CCX cores together and then who knows I'm just speculating at this point to infinity and beyond this all might be nonsense anyway but one interesting I guess what's what's also sort of exciting is at the Xeon core that we're talking about here Realty retails for around $3,000 oh and we're I would imagine oh I think we're all it's safe to say we're all expecting that this 1950 ex-stripper chip is going to be significantly less than that yes so if you can get assuming that these numbers are true you can get you know better single core performance than $3,000 Xeon for significantly less money I'd say that's a pretty good bargain and Plus even if it's not getting quite the same performance on the multi-threaded scale you're still getting 16 freaking cores and 32 threads yeah which is awesome whether you're doing gaining or just productivity stuff so TLDR the Red River continues to look promising and until should be scared cool what wetting the bed next up we've got an Intel another Intel announcement here from e3 this happened the day or two ago at the PC gaming show kind of a surprise actually it wasn't expecting Intel to announce much juicy news but they they announced the dates of which they were going to be releasing and you know pre-ordering their skylake X and KB like X processors no one's on of no one here's some of the skylake X yes of course it all varies in the mileage varies here but the dates that we're seeing are four six eight and ten core parts so four through ten core parts are available for pre-order from June 19th which is like in a week or so and then you've also got those same those same parts shipping to consumers on June 26th starting out and then twelve core parts are expected just the 12th course q is expected to ship in August which is just it's just a one-off it's the only just that one SKU only the twelve course q is going to be in August and then the other high core count processors 14 16 and 18 core parts are going to be shipping in October that's that's what we know right now file this under stuff that should have been told to reviewers three weeks ago yes because Paul and I still don't have processors to review and it's good that would be useful and decides that they didn't announce the set also I mean just when the the initial the initial information that was provided to reviewers which was provided about a week for Computex actually started presented all of this in one package there was no discussion at that time of by the way half of these CPUs that we're telling you about now are like super paper launch and not coming for months still right but obviously they were trying to you know hmm throw some distraction out there from from the stuff that AMD was talking about but also giving given the estimated launches of these we might have thread Ripper stuff coming well before this is out so you might have in you might have aimed the actually pre-empting intel on some stuff but yeah more on that on my half of the show indeed um and then I don't want to talk about anything else about that we'll just move on to the next story okay the last one because we still have much donations to go through um PCIe PCI Express Gen 4 specifications have been recently unveiled this is an article from Engadget some PCI s IG I'm just going to call them pci-sig is the organization or the community that's responsible for maintaining peripheral IO standards and specifications and they finally release the specs for PCIe gen oh this is going to give pcs twice the throughput speed up to 16 Giga transfers per second as previous 3.0 connections with backwards compatibility so very much like we have can we can we come here real quickly just say that this is a shitty Leeuwarden shuttle the article here as we even gadget I mean happy words that have fun no yeah I may provide some critique to Engadget here yeah it's very good on you reporting on PCIe 4.0 I mean it's it's a little bit more of a you know techy I think kind of thing and gadget and I make way out of your league and gadget twice as fast though come on guys it's it's super upgrading to 4.0 is not gonna make your graphics card any faster cuz PCIe gen3 was now we have twice the frame rates that we had on PCIe gen 2 right it will provide how that works it will provide more bandwidth it's not it's a it's a wider data path it is not twice as fast like a girthier penis right but it doesn't necessarily screw any faster that sheets of radish stuff and now a perfect metaphor seeing now they'll learn to make now the lawyer with that metaphor I speak in their language now all right so um you you have more Headroom you have more bandwidth you have more room to pump data through doesn't necessarily mean that data is going to be moving twice as fast you're not pumping it twice as fast a than the full circle all right the analogy worked but you you have more potential I should say to move faster thank you very much for those faces in chat those kreygasm shoutouts people and Chad have noticed that I have not fallen asleep an episode drink every time Paul's not asleep all right so uh PCIe gen for that said still has to undergo a final IP review before we start seeing video cards sporting the new spec it's going to come first the graphics cards or the motherboards it's that's always the question it's weird because to high-end desktop platforms are launching like right now yeah thread ripper ends and the intel stuff the core x neither those have have PCIe Gen 4 right and you know what's weird is the articles also saying that PCI agent 5 might be coming as early as 2019 it's also seems soon that seems soon that means what PCI Gen 4 is going to be around for a year just one generation it's going to go or maybe there is some overlap they're generally pretty good with backwards compatibility when it comes to p3 Express so just seems like it's all coming at once yeah she said just everywhere but yeah there was also like PCIe gen 2 to Gen 3 for example there were the awkward situations like with x79 where x79 was Gen 2 when it first launched but then there were ways you could force gen 3 because there was like complot it was like the controller was capable of it but it wasn't like validated so they were weird there was like some weird stuff you could do to force gen3 mode and that kind of thing so I don't know I don't know if there will be anything to that effect when it comes to like the x2 99 or x3 99 motherboard sort of launching right now but given that we're looking at within the next year this is supposed to be available I don't know I don't know I don't know these things no one knows I just like throwing out hypotheticals but we were looking up some random specs earlier on what PCIe gen3 is currently offering in terms of bandwidth and I feel like we're already starting to max that out with really fast like nvme about two drives yeah so PCI gen 4 if it's not going to if it's not going to be saturated by the graphics cards anytime soon the very least we might see some gains within the storage department you know or some more headroom there yeah the the 960 Pro and that 2 SSD for example from Samsung can hit 3.5 3.6 gigabytes per second actual you know direct sequential rewrites I'm sorry reads he writes a little bit slower and that's getting pretty close to PCIe gen3 a 4 a by 4 connection for PCI gen3 is about 4 gigabytes per second yeah of actual throughput indeed so so yeah it seems like as we are also on the cusp of having faster SSDs when we see like hopefully obtain technology and more devices and that kind of thing can actually make use of PC a Gen 4 so yeah cool all right so to sort of wrap things up here let's quickly go over some of the donations that you guys threw out for the record we forgot to mention this at the beginning but since we're sort of pressed for time tonight we're only going to be calling out donations five dollars or more just from taking a quick gander at the existing donations it only looks like one person donated less than less than that so we'll just read readers out to it oh we have classy viewers yes we do LLL have IU's thank you for your donation thank you have a no comment attached Clint flipo for the $20 donation the board has to buy sixteen physical and electrically wired PCIe slots the manual recommends the top one but doesn't matter it looks so much better and the tubes from the hybrid cooler aren't so bent doesn't matter 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I mean you're you know those aren't going to be extensions right I think that's what he's talking about if they're just straight straight Abel's that go directly no I mean if you'd like if you're talking about like EVGA EVGA sells complete replacement cable kits yeah they're all use um they work just as well but just the level of quality might vary from vendor to vendor yeah and materials used I mean any any any sleeved kit you're gonna buy at a certain price point price is gonna be like you get what you pay for so you know a full kits from a custom place like insourced customs or something like that is going to cost 90 to like 130 hundred forty bucks depending on how many cables you're buying right but it's all hands done it'll be show material like like paracord instead of instead of alternative materials yeah let's see the material that's a nylon based right materials basically so yeah yeah that's pretty true you get what you pay for like I've used the EVGA ones and you know they're nice that the replacement kits that they sell they're not as nice as like the in source stuff no I've ever heard of stuff you get from like who else have we have we kind of heard from recently who does that man cream custom matron customs does it wise mods well yeah was mods this is a smaller and I know a guy but we've met him and he's he's cool that's cool but yeah I like I like patronizing some of these the smaller guys who do it because like I said they're usually just you know small businesses with just a few people who put them together and everything yeah you can get some pretty nice quality stuff from them just make sure it's somebody who's got at least a decent track record yeah you're going to buy from and yeah it can really finish off a build in a great way indeed ghost of harambe a 10 British pound pound guys keep up the awesome work do you have any info on the new Corsair hydro series also what's the temperature difference from a 280 to a 360 red would you say my my core i7 60 50 K is running a bit hot at 4.6 I don't have any information on the on the new coarser hydro series I didn't actually take a close look at it at Computex did you yeah mister updating a hydro series the blocks are RGB they look a little bit nicer I think they have three layers of RGB like a base around the outside edge and sort of a ring around the middle and then the Corsair logo in the middle that lights up too which I thought all looks pretty cool cuz I'm still sleeved or is the tubing a little different now the tubing I did not get a good look at I can't say but it didn't stand out to me as any different I like the sleeve tubing that they do it's kind of thicker yeah I think it looks pretty good and I believe they're switching up to a fluid dynamic bearing fans okay which is the chair now instead of ball bearing yeah which is cool and they and they do have they did have a 360 millimeter version on display which is cool as well as far as the temperature differences it I don't know it kind of ranges depending on the hardware that you're cooling I would say but if you're just talking about a CPU you will notice a couple degrees cooler generally speaking I feel like you're still going to be pretty good if you're just if you're just calling that CPU at 280 is going to be fine a 360 is going to be marginally better but as long as you're well below your TJ Max like you it's you don't really need to cool it like 5 degrees cooler when it's already 30 degrees cooler than TJ max if that makes sense yeah and when you're talking about radiator size for something like that it's not going to be as effective when you're talking about like like this the temperature spikes that you can get as you increase a CPUs overclock where typically you need to start adding voltage and that kind of thing that can increase dramatically going even with something like four point five to four point six four point six to four point seven increasing your the sizes of your radiators is more effective for like adding more hardware to the loop if you have a CPU and a GPU and then you need to add another GPU or something like that is typically more more common for increasing radiator size versus keeping the the temperature down with something like trying to hit just a little bit higher of an overclock the amount of heat that can be drawn away by the liquid moving over the CPU block is the main issue there versus the radiator size that you have yeah long story short you should be fine with it to a crafty hack thank you much very much crafty $5 if know after party you risk irrelevance just saying ah I know I know man tell me about it um deer myself I'm not promising anything as always but if wifey sauce can convince me when I get home to play if she's feeling it then I might I do want to get back into that yeah I know I know we've been totally okay I'm done in like totally yeah but um but still getting over jetlag believe it or not it takes a good to two weeks to get completely back to normal it does I can't promise that I'm gonna be awake early tonight especially in the sushi coma um Bobby jr. from ten dollar donation with CPU and GPU would you put into a console killer to compete with the Xbox one X performance and also compete in price um I'd say one of the newer Pentiums maybe that means you can pretty solid like it's hard to build a $500 computer it's probably gonna be less about like here's what I can build for 500 bucks and more about like bright ears here's double the performance for like a hundred and fifty bucks more or something like that yeah but also hard to say because this is all stuff that's just been announced so right um yeah that's that's very difficult to say I'll stop in my head I'd say try to build the cheapest computer Possible's like one of the quad core rise in CPUs and like an RX 570 or something like that yeah but that's probably going to be a decent amount above 500 bucks right now Schrute but yeah I'm sure and once we get more details on the one Xbox one X and all that stuff there'll be a lot more of like here's how to build a faster computer for this much money yeah Dan Blake five bucks Canadian Kyle no yawning alright hey guys big fan I've got a FX 8350 compared with a gtx 1066 gig i'm wondering when I upgrade platforms should I go 7700 or rise in 1,700 X at this point I lean towards 1,700 X just because I like more cores I like more threads and you can get into that for less money more versatile cheaper yeah lucky dog twenty four or five dollar donation 7700 K for streaming while gaming or sacrifice uh my PC for more cores again sacrifice more talk about streaming and gaming I'd go for more course do you risin Ian Stickles $5 tickles thang so much have you guys heard anything about the 1080 TI Poseidon seems to be out of stock everywhere that seems to be an issue I saw I saw a tweet of a picture of it today up the box that's close enough that's a fence it's a closest you'll ever get to Poseidon dose enough for us yeah but I don't know maybe that's something that will that you know they're gonna do it just a slow launch of and it'll be hard to find for a while automatic match $5 Kyle take my money I'm late thanks Mac thank you very much Matt it's okay if you're late money taking next time you should come early knotting up to $95 asus vs acer monitors which would you recommend they're both great yeah almost fantastically both do a pretty decent job you guys um probably all right so my not I mean it depends they both have high-end lines and they both have budget lines yes pens I'm like they're very they'd stay stay pretty competitive don't want the one I like the look of the best yeah focus on size the type of panel that's that it is the color depth that's available the refresh rate whether or not has do you sink or freesync support hopefully one or the other and then compare the offerings from both and hopefully you can find one that's like on it's on sale yes stuff but that's yeah honestly when it comes down to it the panels that they use a lot of their auditors are going to come from the same manufacturers anyway so it's just a matter of am like the kind of housing that's built around it and how much people are talking about your fan but I'm a your shield fan sorry I turned a fan off okay fans causing problems all right Matt right elderly Bryant f4 $5 thank you both for inspiring me to work toward getting in the plus certification tragedies of the great work and I hope to have it by the end of July yeah awesome man that's that's really great Crampton graduations um thanks Brad it's kind of funny that we inspired you to do that because neither of us have an a-plus surgery no nothing we're hardly educated I I barely made made it out of junior high you know junior high it's pretty done back that mr. mr. high higher education over here alright alright thanks guys let's gonna do wait Johnson's oh yeah Johnson's John's creeping up so Luke job reaping up on you 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