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Awesome Hardware #0143-B: CASE OFF! Ryzen 2700X Benchmarks, MSI+GPP?

2018-03-27
the winter months - spring mm-hmm but spring and onward here I need I need to bring I need to bring my fan oh yeah because the AC cuts off it's not too bad right around the time is just warm enough that got a little yeah I know I'm a little a little icky just a tad moist just a smidge moist the misty moist day morning I should just bring a fan in here foggy was the well I'm gonna buy a fan chanced upon it old man are you all dressed in leather fucking saying I don't know this is a crime that my wife has said four times what I think it's kind of weird and kinky cuz she's like leave old dude he's all dressed in leather I'm like what the hell's going on S&M thing or something like that but before we go off on how much of a kangan yep hello everyone and welcome to awesome hardware also at 143 your life right now beat two both yes we were alive oh shit I didn't realize you'd gone lie to YouTube we only ever stopped going live to YouTube so the only thing I could have gone life to was YouTube I missed that because twitch was still life okay alright I'm here hey everyone I'm still opening up my chat so that I can see what you guys are saying and stuff it's in the intro yeah but hey welcome this is yeah like Paul said episode 143 be be 143 B if you missed part a go ahead and watch it on Paul's channel I'll put a link in the description if you're watching on twitch welcome back it's a tech news show we like to have fun we talk about lots of different things and sometimes we curse computer so if that's a problem then sorry in advance also we like to have a few drinks if that's a problem sorry again sorry not sorry it's like we don't like beer we don't want to like taint or otherwise lead anyone down a path the corruption of corruption or evilness abuse at the same time you know just we're having a beer yeah something wrong with that so it's a free country please drink responsibly join us if you're interested but only if that's something that you that you think it's 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vaguely rapey vibe I don't know it's something that I'm innately attracted to it's part of my personality a little bit this one's a little bit less rapey and a little bit more like no they're just gonna eat this thing it's a little bit more bondage even because it's got like the wrapped up the cord wrapped up like literally bonded is this a mechanical keyboard of these genuine Cherry MX keys those are cherry MX red switches with red LEDs but I've been told it is RGB the user just prefers red and the mouse kinda kinda looks like Darth Vader that that's of course not intentional and constitutes no infringement of copyright or intellectual property absolutely not I also kind of thought it locally a little bit like a Razer DeathAdder oh yeah but not but not it's obviously not that death death Vader is the combination of death Death Adder Vader Darth Darth Vader Darth Vader's better that's genius guys if you buy from either of our stores - Paul's during the show where I'll shout out your 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kak no question like antidotes and said oh yeah you'll need a table of contents of my dick second you'll need timestamps we waited long enough after the the adult the warning it's all language warning right yeah yeah cool that's just waiting for that hopefully your strike doesn't strike upon us all right let's move on to the show let's get into the meat yeah all right Thank You Chet for clipping that part of the show already all right let's I saw a twitch clip fly up it has to be that I can't be managed anyone else all right I had to refresh my okay we're doing Pitt my PC we're doing pin my PC first you guys have submitted some of your entries some of your rigs at your personal rigs and Paul and I are gonna compete critique them and try to help you out because no rig is perfect let's be honest not even you know arctic panther or hotline or anything like that I mean hotline is pretty perfect but definitely not Arctic Panther but you know what I'm saying you guys at least could could use our help is what I'm saying mostly mine's like at the very least this gives us this sort of like they feeling of superiority because we're pointing out you know shortcomings and other people's work yeah absolutely I mean no but I but ideally ideally and we've heard feedback from people before people take our suggestions to implement them and then they and then they get they have a better life they have a better life more sex just bigger bigger dicks usually usually a large a larger penis and what else their voice gets deeper they can richer and their car gets better it's the same car same car it's like faster it's just faster and it looks nicer and it's like you can they they're able to like skip an oil change it's like wow yeah right usually after 3,000 miles I really I wouldn't need an oil change but now I'm like up five I'm almost a six yeah still going still going strong and somehow it just becomes electric yeah alright for this segment you've got a core i7 4770k it 4.3 gigahertz GTX 1086 gigs of Corsair Vengeance pro 256 SSD and a three terabyte hard drive very nice system taking a look at it from the get-go the first thing I noticed is that you kind of got a very nice color neutral thing going on here black mostly black a little bit of white accents there on the CPU core which is a nice big fan text tower those are pretty sexy um your cable management looks pretty solid too the most I forget the model on this fantex cooler yes weird names is one of their earlier products and this was when I came out and they kind of smacked a Noctua around a little bit this is a very good air cooler I feel like very underrated too big old fans it was underrated I think his fan text wasn't very well known at the time right but it's super solid it wasn't as good as a knock to as like an NH D 14 or D 15 but it was right up there gave it a rose right up there and it was a little bit less expensive so it's a solid choice for an air cooler yeah and I like what you've done here everything looks pretty well put together I'm a huge 600 T fan always will be since that was the first case I ever built in yeah and and still I think the case holds up I mean it's got great cable management for being as old as it is it looks like you've used that drive cage at the bottom pretty much fully it looks like it's simple fully populated with drives I would say remove the power supply sticker at least the one on the side because when you got like the friggin you know rail table right there it doesn't look all that attractive so maybe get a heat gun take a heat gun of that and fix that up it also looks like I might be crazy other yellow accents on the motherboard I think so yeah okay okay I couldn't help those were like random stickers MSI motherboard okay so I mean there's not much you can do about that unless you want like spray paint or whatever but I don't think it looks bad because it's mostly covered up by that massive cooler and also it's a pretty large graphics card - yeah so I don't really have much to say here then you could get some nice black sleeved cables okay the cable extension kit would would kind of you know give give that final bit of finish to that I would almost like ditch the kit of the extensions and just go for the full length cable since you don't have a basement I will say that I fell out of love with these fans that ship and the 600 T by defaults their LED fans I had at least one version where I wouldn't snipped all the LEDs because I just didn't like the clear plastic when the white LEDs going across them yeah these are definitely a viable upgrade opportunity for you although there's not a whole lot of I think these a 200 millimeter they may they may be either so they're definitely not so you might be limited on your upgrade potential for those but right that's something where I could see you might be able to get something that's a little bit quieter and a little bit better at air flow but like Kyle said overall you got a really solid Sabich and build there yeah I definitely know that there are you can do two to one 20s at the top for sure yes but this was also before cases were a super privy to radiator support so it's really tough to get a 240 AO up there there's just not enough room beyond just the fans but but yeah I agree with Paul those fans look pretty dated at this point but thank you very much yes games moving on to Mike with a 46 7 DK 4 gigahertz and Asus z87 a a hyper 212 EVGA 1050 ti super super clocked 16 gigs of Crucial Ballistix sport ddr3 and of course here TX 650 Coolermaster 1/2 912 interior has been spray-painted o with a Samsung 840 Evo 120 gig Seagate 2 terabyte drive it's a it's a modern half 9 12 it is I like that it is so the the original 912 1/2 912 did did not have a scene in interior silver really yeah this is I didn't realize going back to I want to say 2007-2008 coolermaster era and the 912 was a solid case like functionally you could get all your parts in there and everything but it did not have a painted interior and just especially as trends were changing at that time the painted interior kind of became one of those sought after premium things so the 912 kind of fell out of favor because it really looked pretty horrible when he compared it to the you know other cases that had painted interiors right so I I like this and you can't even tell like yeah I wouldn't even I mean at least in the photos it looks like professionally done from from afar there's no like you know graininess that sometimes is a sign of poor spray-painting ship yeah so it's really I don't know what kind of disassembly he did in order to do the painting but must have had to do a lot of missing I would imagine now we have the obvious um you know knocked to a fan to lemma here where it's like ah they're such good fans that looks so ugly but the rest of the system is pretty well color-coordinated that they don't stand out too much they like the only color accent so yeah they're not bothering me much apart from the ketchup and mustard cables yeah ketchup and mustard cables on the power supply are definitely standing out the most as well as I would say your front panel IO cables down here also one of those legacy items from older cases that it took them a while to update on different cases depending on how much money they wanted to spend right but yeah swapping those cables would would finish things off here I think a bit and I'm gonna say leave you're not too offense leave them yeah I'd be proud of them and because you have neutralized all the other effective colors in the case I think they work and you know what if if you're on the fence like if it's kind of the color of the Noctua fans are sort of bothering you clearly you're not afraid of using spray paint yep so fans are really not that dashing sure you and you really only need to get like one or two sides of it really good the other sides don't really matter because they won't ever be seen yes thank you very much Mike next up we have nemesis neecy's ka point two gigahertz a EVGA GTX 1060 super super clocked 80-day 256 gig SSD Corsair Vengeance 3,000 megahertz DRAM I'm not sure what the capacity is one terabyte WD hard drive each 100 IV - and he says don't laugh at my CD DVD Drive he has a brick 500 watt power supply with mustard and ketchup cables and an extra 3.0 USB 3.0 hub just to charge my bluetooth headphones all right so that's that's this add-on card right here right yeah okay all right oh 16 gigs around okay so 16 gigs of ram is a it's a good good pairing for your 6700 K if you were for some reason running on eight gigs that would have been like oh man that's that's too little but I like that compared with SSD and your power supply is probably the weakest link here when it comes to your actual overall performance but that said we're talking aesthetics here so obviously you you already knew we were gonna give you shit for your for your cd/dvd drive everything else in this case apart from maybe your power supply cables has some level of aesthetic consideration being done to them except for this damn cd/dvd drive it needs to be spray-painted yeah with the extensions for that is horrible SATA cable yeah yes spray peanuts maybe you can do a you can get some you know a decal or something like like it's put over there I don't know carbon-fiber sticker or something like that gorgeous damn it you have a case that doesn't hold on here alright so something bottom what what what nothing yeah this no I'm not sure if that's an SSD here what alright so we have these extra cables lying around here at the bottom those should be tucked away you have a power supply shroud down here you can fit a lot of extra cabling down there yeah just any excess cables loops should be pushed back behind the motherboard tray you have a supplemental CPU power connector coming up here with a very garish yellow cabling going and and I feel like there should be a behind the motherboard tray routing possibility for you here alright I don't think we have the case listed we're not sure what kind of cases is but it's at least a case that has a power supply shroud right easy there should be routing behind the motherboard tray for this cable that's what's standing out to be the most when you look but look above the motherboard it doesn't look like there's any like routing area so maybe you're at like I don't know I've never but I've never seen a case that has the power supply basement shroud that doesn't have something like that or available anyway if that's not possible if you can't ratify on the motherboard trade then definitely just a sleeved extension for that cable in particular would cling things up because it's yellow and it stands out to chance and it's a Thermaltake RGB fan controller on the bottom oh okay yeah I can see the thermaltake logo RGB fan controller also you don't have any intake fans you see the fans on your radiator are set to exhaust oh they're all exhaust so you're probably gonna get a lot of dust buildup which is fine if you're ok with cleaning your system regularly and if your temps are fine I'm not gonna be the guy it's like new technical input intake and exhaust if your temps are fine then whatever and if your dust buildups fine whatever but you know it's it's worth pointing out that most cases will have some degree of intake at the front of the case especially because you have a dust filter at the front of this case most likely or some way to to catch the dust and also you would be in taking fresh air through that radiator instead of pushing warm air through it you know being radiated off of your gtx 1060 so I would also say temperatures just final comments stretched we've got the stretched tubing here for the all-in-one cooler yeah I I never liked hip-hop I never liked how this wouldn't stretch too taut like this however however I also can appreciate when you figured out that it would actually fit there you're like oh my gosh there's just enough for me to actually fit things in here and mount them properly you're probably kind of happy about that so you know don't don't don't completely dismiss those emotions but something that you might be able to do to introduce some slack here I was gonna say would be to do push pull on this on the radiator but it doesn't look like you maybe have enough room down there so I don't know a solution for that but I'm just just to round out the critiques that doesn't look the best but nemesis lkg thank you for sending that over and hopefully we've given you a few suggestions that maybe in the future you could use thanks man and preview aesthetics RJ ok hey so he's got his specs listed in a different link so he's got an AMD Rison 7 1700 X sorry an NH u 12s as he am for cpu cooler from noctua a su Strix X 370 F gaming ATX AM for motherboard 16 gigs rip jobs 5 looks like you've got an end sorry burping a lot NZXT source 224 our case and yeah okay cool um first thing that stands out is your CPU cooler tower is horizontal and your fan is really close to your graphics card so when you're under load and your graphics card heats up I mean it's really it's your fans super close to the actual GPU where the GPU is in that card and that could sort of give off a lot of heat when you're under load and it might affect your CPU temperatures I'm not sure but something to bear that in mind I would potentially try testing it out to see how it performs in a more vertical orientation and maybe you'll drop a couple degrees there if that's important to you but if you're still under well under t.j.maxx and you don't care everything's fine fine aesthetically I also think it looks a little awkward just personally yeah a lot of cabling down at the bottom with hard drives galore simply and there's not really much you can do based on how the hard drives to mount inside of this case and you know nowadays that drives down there and that quadrant of a case are typically mounted perpendicular and so you've got all the cables towards the back of the motherboard tray and that seems to be a bit cleaner especially you don't have a basement or anything so not sure what you can do there maybe it's time for a case upgrade it still looks like you know you're on rise you're on a rise and based system so you don't need to upgrade your cork internals your core components here but maybe it's time for a case upgrade and color coordination looks pretty neutral apart from the knock to a fan of course which we've already discussed so I won't get into that and some of us say the cables you use in here for what looks to be an optical drive up top with a red SATA cable that's a big no-no for me and another red or orange looking one down a little bit lower than that this is also it's a knock to a cooler and it's a you know it's a current generation platform this is a rise in seven 1700 X and a asus strix X 370 dash F motherboard so you should have the ability to rotate this 90 degrees you know flip putting the fan on the top of it would be one option but I would actually rather have it vertical so that the fan is pushing air towards the back of the case and back towards this exhaust fan and I think that would balance things out a little bit better as well beyond that I agree with Kyle a new case is probably what you're looking for most as far as giving yourself more options for cable routing as well as making things look cleaner overall next last but not least we have Chazz urge everyone for within the Imperial Devastator I like that all right here you'll devasting down an EVGA four gigabytes 1080 TI super clock nigh 546 70 Kalyan seen asus rog maximus 7 8 gigs of g.skill rhenium we've got a half stacker another half case half stacker 935 Acker another tried-and-true classic and of course our GB lights cheers let's see here so you've got a big Vader decal on the side panel so he's gonna Star Wars of course be given the name of his PC that makes like I like the coordination going on here with the side panel the desktop background retha Matic the mouse pad or keyboard pad and also he's got a he's got a brew ready there too so you've got to give him credit for that ok good job Chancery all right so okay so Mac and red theme is a good option to go with with PC gaming simply because you have lots of options for getting matching components things that I think stand out to me immediately as far as I'll say on the on the plus side I like your cable sleeping for your power supply I think your 24 pin in particular looks very clean right there I think actually the precision and the well trained admission makes the 8 pin up here look messy by comparison that's that's what's standing a little bit to me there beyond that we have a custom liquid cooling loop just for the CPU we also have some tubing here that's hanging I will say it's a little bit loosely over the graphics card and dropping down in here to the basement where I'm guess there may be as a pump because I think this is just a reservoir here on the side so yeah granted we're talking about a modification to a liquid cooling loop so that's not the easiest thing but I feel like the tubing there could be just trimmed a little bit so that the loop runs are a little bit shorter and maybe they're not hanging so they're quite as loose I'm also curious as to why you have a custom loop for your CPU but at 1050 TI that is yes so that's the big question here obviously there's more investment here going on with the liquid cooling solution that's practically speaking maybe could have been invested on the graphics card granted we don't know your exact situation when you bought the graphics card and how much it cost and all that kind of stuff but yes practically speaking I think how I would both have advised you to skip the liquid cooling solution go with a cheaper air cooling solution and upgrade the graphics card to give yourself an overall more powerful computer I did notice the Imperial logo on the water block though okay say the Imperial logo on the water block is nice the customization is nice yeah I mean get a good GPU first and then hardline it yeah so maybe maybe he's got this setup going and in the future he's planning to upgrade the GPU with a water-cooled GPU and integrated into the loop here and that would be a total totally viable solution here so maybe this is a work in progress yeah but for anyone who's looking at something like this yes 100% Cal and I advise upgrade your core components upgrade the the base level power of your system when it comes to CPU and GPU power and and memory before you go for the aesthetic improvements the liquid cooling that kind of thing yeah okay alright and that concludes cutting my PC thank you everyone let's move on to the next segment which is case off stays off where we take a look at two cases in the same sort of realm same price point and similar same form factor and stuff like that one of these cases have been out for a while but that's only because it was the closest case I could actually ace that finally a face-off oh that's okay thanks off use your imagination and pretend the eff down there is a seat see it all will be fine um so the first case that all L talked about right now is is a new case from an tech no less number one aunt you know remember an tech they make cases sometimes they used to make really good cases and they stopped making good cases and now there's another case here we'll see you next one's good let's just ride those good cases that we made for as long as we possibly can don't even innovate we'll just use the same shit so this is their p6 this is an article from PC Gamer going over it there's tons of other outlets talking about this case right now but it's a $65 micro ATX case okay with tempered glass all right and I think that's that's a pretty cool area or market for cases my interest is piqued sure and what's interesting about it or you could say gimmicky interesting is a relative word is that it has an integrated led logo projector at the bottom at the front that beams the logo and the antic logo on to your desk yes which is definitely on the gimmicky side of things but at the same time I could also see I mean what the fuck is RGB RGB is pretty damn gimme kazoo okay so that's taken up this could be the future in the case so the cakes cost $65 if the case cost a hundred and forty dollars and you're like all right how much more am I paying for this projected logo when it's 65 bucks and it's gotta know it's less then then I'm I care less about about this being gimmicky and a micro that's just richer all right so but that's also that's also kind of like I'm also curious as to whether or not this would this is gonna start some sort of trend okay cuz I feel like case manufacturers right now are scratching their heads trying to figure out what's the next big thing what's the next RGB what's the next tempered-glass because they're all you know RGB in tempered glass is old news by now it was the hottest thing two years ago at CES and now it's like alright we're all waiting for the next trend maybe maybe you projector LED projectors maybe not just the company's logo but if you can customize it or it can do like some sort of weird like rave light show on your desk or the surrounding area while you're gaming I mean there's infinite possibilities here just like there were with RGB when it first launched so I think that's cool I think that we're seeing something that's potentially trend worthy in the future coming off of a $65 micro ATX case from a case manufacturer long forgotten but moving on here it does have a power supply basement which i think is also another one of those trends that's really taken off in the last couple years with cases for 65 bucks tempered glass power supply basement all good stuff 390 millimeter GPU clearance 160 millimeter CPU cooler tower clearance you've got 4 2 and 1/2 inch drive mounts or two three and a half inch slash two and a half inch mount so plenty of Drive options actually for a micro ATX case considering fan support 240 or 280 at the front 360 or 280 at the top 120 at the rear radiators you can only do a 240 at the front so hopefully it's the appropriate depth of case so that you don't run into any super stretching issues like we saw with one of the Pitts my PC submissions where you know the tubing's not quite long enough or just barely long enough but it looks like a fairly compact case especially being micro ATX and stuff so you can you can fit a 240 rad in here which is great 2 USB 3.0 at the front i/o and that's pretty much it for that case honestly I'm very curious to actually just buy one of these myself and check it out because I'm just I think it might be good it might actually be a decent case worth buying but its competitor which I actually had to look harder than I thought for a competitor that was a micro ATX case that had a tempered glass side panel that was a in the realm of 60 to 65 bucks 60 to 70 bucks and what I found was the in win 301 which is which has been out for for a while now but it's the closest thing I could find in terms of functionality size feature set and available on Amazon for $63 and every price and 3 set yep that's down from its normal $70 price tag so well let's take a look at this case it's it's also got a to list a tool a tempered glass side panel but is toolless I think that's a big plus a tool a side panel is great I agree the GPU clearance isn't quite as long as the p6 it's got three hundred and thirty millimeter clearance which is granted probably big enough for most users anyway same cpu clearance as a one hundred and sixty millimeter towers it does have a power so well I guess it kind of has the power supply chamber up top right so the power supply is actually mounted on top of the case and it does this it is shrouded to some degree so you couldn't see any you know ugly power supply stick or anything like that um it does have radiator support with 240 s at the front or 120 at the rear so very similar actually exactly the same as the p6 and you can also mount to 120 millimeter fans at the bottom if you want to give your GPU some additional airflow the drive support in this case is quite a bit more limited than on the p6 you only get one three and a half inch / 2 and 1/2 inch tray and three two and a half inch drive so the most you could have fit in this in terms of mechanical drives is one three and a half inch drive here this single slot and then you could fit three or four SSDs so what what I'm thinking is like I think the p6 has more functionality built into it for the price but I feel like the in win 301 because I've actually seen the in win 301 in person I think is gonna have better build quality and it's gonna look nicer on the outside you know I think I think that's that's kind of what I would sum it up as but I think that the antic p6 is is gonna be a really competitive option for that for that price range it's it's nice to see antique making semi decent cases again so do we it we need more variety you have to choose between these which people should buy I'm gonna go with the antic p6 just because I'm rooting for the underdog at this point and I want to see an tech make a comeback and like create some more competition in a very saturated market it sounds good it sounds good on paper I disagree everyone should buy the in win 301 thank you Paul for making the segment you know interesting by contending and opposing that's opposing stance yes contentious is the word I was looking for now everyone has to think the n1 301 is pretty pretty awesome so those are the drive options for today we've we've argued against and for them you make your own choice choice is yours moving on to tech news um let's first talk about this article protect power up they are discussing a review that was released not leaked but actually released in a French PC hardware magazine which is canard PC review on the rise in 2700 X haha 2nd gen Rison reviews are out just not in the US yet and according to these results that we saw there is some more power consumption here than the 1800 X actually 13.2 watts more power consumed on the 2700 X then the 1800 X this is a which isn't a whole lot is printed yes but printed benchmarks at first I thought that was a video screenshot and I thought what an interesting and kind of clever way to present benchmarks as if it was like a magazine but then I realized no some dude just took a picture of a magazine this is actually printed in a magazine issue huh which I would subscribe to a magazine like that that's pretty cool I mean I use Tennyson franchise to subscribe to maximum PC alright and then you stopped when Gordon my um left but the other thing what's even injured more interesting is that the CPU did beat out the 1800 X and the 8780 700 K in a bunch of synthetic tests synthetic tests the 2700 X reigned supreme however in real world gaming tests it was actually 1.3 percent slower than a lowly I 580 400 and I say lowly it's a decent it's a great CPU in its own right but it was also 14.3% slower than 8700 k making it just about 4% faster than an 1800 X so it is faster than its then I guess the 1,800 X shouldn't say it's a direct predecessor but it is faster but marginally so the kicker here is that the CPU the 2700 X was tested on an a320 motherboard which doesn't support precision boost overdrive or exif r2 and there was no mention of you know there's obviously no overclocking ability here too so it kind of confuses me why they would test on an angry 21 why would they test on an a3 like it's a high-end second gen rise and CPU why test on like the most basic chipset that has like the least amount of features I don't know so take it with a grain of salt to some degree I mean these are real benchmarks in a real publication so you know these are real results but take it with a grain of salt based on the testing hardware that was used for the for the for the benchmarks so that's all I'll say about that you should just wait for youtuber reviews to come out shortly those will certainly be better than anything you'd find it French magazine I'm still trying to figure out why they went with 2700 X instead of 2800 eggs maybe that's all they had I mean maybe that like that's the sample they were given or something I don't know no but I mean it's been it's been pretty well confirmed at this point oh the 27 I confirmed confirmed but like from all the rumors and everything like nothing's come out that says 2800 X 2,700 X is the top i8 core 16 thread rise into CPU right so that's probably the new flagship that's there's probably no xx that's the new flagship for this launch that's the high-end CPU for this launch I think I know what I'm trying to figure out is like why did they call it that instead of 2800 X and is that mean that they're in some 2800 X or some other CPU further out that they're gonna try to do I launched with I don't know I'm just I mean the 1800 X didn't really have the best value like I never recommended anyone get the 1800 X over like the 1700 or even the 1700 X yeah so maybe maybe they don't want to associate their new flagship with a CPU that was widely reviewed as being the the worst value or the worst bang for the buck in the rise in 7 class I I don't that's like I don't know I don't know it'd be interesting to ask a and B that all right moving on Samson revealed Samsung revealed an m dot 2 z SSD despite my notes with the typo saying s SSDs articles from a man Tech and thank God it's a short one very uncharacteristic of them yeah I revealed at Open Compute Project or OCP summit in San Jose the brand new Samsung SZ 9 85 uses Z NAND memory as a low latency competitor to intel's 3d crosspoint based obtain SSDs so obtained has a contender it has a competitor now known as the zine and SSDs and this is the first time Z SSDs have been revealed in an MDOT to form factor they've they've break broken into that that sector here and it looks to be looks to have the same Phoenix 8 controller that's been used on the company's other 9 8 X SSDs this is likely to be the same controller that's also used in the successors to the 960 Pro and the 960 Evo so very good very solid tried-and-true reliable controllers that are super fast the demo unit that they had on hand was actually a 240 gig model although their little text display listed that they also have a 480 gigabyte model in the works the speculation here is that Xena and the controller is going to take up a lot more space than alternatives that we've seen in the past existing SSDs and that's why they've only been able to max out 480 gigs on an m2 stick so maybe as they optimize things in the future we'll see higher capacities this raises the possibility of Samsung introducing a Z SSD for enthusiast consumers not just for an enterprise market or something like that to compete against obtain the obtain SSD 800 P the only question here is we're not really sure what these Xena and drives are gonna cost if there's gonna be a huge uplift in performance with day to day tasks that's going to warrant the extra cost or premium that's attached to these xenon drives so more - more - more to come on that as details come to light but I just want to quickly inform you guys of that popup story so I'll let's move on to msi saying crazy things about AMD this is actually an article from our buddy on twitter adjacent of angelo this is a Forbes article he's back to writing stories and stuff and this actually happened on Sunday this took place on Sunday you know there was all that there's been a bunch of madness around the whole GPP thing and people taking note of adding board partners like msi taking down or removing cards from their store AMD cards from Gerst or with with like their flagship gaming brand attached to them so that kind of sparked a lot of conversation online and one such user on facebook actually commented and asked the official MSI page on Facebook of India there was a India MSI Facebook page and they asked on that page they said hey so what's going on are you guys like fully aligned with NVIDIA are you part of the GPP are you guys gonna just start using only nvidia products from now on and what are the reps who runs this page responded in a very unexpected way saying nvidia is currently ahead in the GPU experience and you know if nvidia is up to par with performance msi will definitely be able to to stop making AMD based products in the future in place of nvidia this is huge this is like whoa where is this coming from it is serious no more AMD products from from msi if if what if nvidia can just keep being awesome and outperforming AMD in terms of sales and performance so you could argue that the rapper is correct to a certain degree based on different you know data and analytics like yes nvidia is currently the biggest GPU supplier and you know their 10 series cards have been able to really outperform the AMD GPUs in a lot of ways but it's not it wasn't really perfect it wasn't a official or professional statement of this rep to say online and so it kind of sparked this sort of no it just it just sparked a lot of shit online and there was also no confirmation or denial of MSI's GPP involvement so it kind of I think this comment sort of scared a lot of people into thinking that wow GPP is totally real and MSI is just they kind of have no shame in secretly or like you know along with it going along with it really going along with it and sort of you know just admitting that that this is this is the way to go so about 10 minutes before we started the livestream today I noticed on the hardware subreddit that an update to this story popped up and this is from PC gamer as well that the comments from this msi rep on the india facebook msi page has been have been deleted and official in an official statement from msi has been released saying we apologize for making an inappropriate comment it did not represent MSI's official views so yeah it was just it was just some dude who was in charge of the page who probably isn't anymore just sounding off when he you know he was kind of out of place to say these things but there's it also leaves you know leaves room to to question whether or not msi is involved with a GPP type organization after all there's no custom gaming X versions of Sega 56 or 64 anywhere on their website yes there are still some gaming branded RX 5 eighties and such 500 series cards but a lot of the flagship cards are nowhere to be found so it's still very this is still an ongoing topic that we really haven't gotten to the real bottom of and we don't even know if it's actually true no one's actually confirmed if GPP exists but there's a lot of weird things in the air that suggest that it does exist so stay tuned for for more stories as they come to light on that but yeah let's move on talking about Linux Linux Mint Linux Linux Mint is a company that announced the mint box Mini 2 it's a tiny desktop PC with Intel Inside this articles from ZDNet calm the og the original mint box Mini was a very well received and highly highly praised unit for using the Linux Mint UI which this websites own Steven J vom von Nicolas Nichols called it the best of the best of desktop UI regardless of operating system so apparently mint is this is really good it's a really good really good UI it's a really good skin over the Linux operating system and it's made its way back into these mint box minis within the form of the mint box mini to the successor of the original mint box mini tiny PC replaces the AMD a 4 micro 6400 T to us into an Intel Celeron J 3 455 which performs four times faster on Geekbench 4 and over 50 50 percent faster than the mint box pro's CPU which was the AMD a10 micro 6700 T so it looks like they've sort of shifted gears going from AMD based CPUs to Intel Celeron so and the gains here at least in Geekbench I mean that four times faster that's that's pretty cool it's even fast than the older generations pro model of the PC other improvements include going from Edo to 11 n to 802 mm an AC Wi-Fi that's dual band changes the second HDMI port to mini DisplayPort I think that's great added a second USB 3.0 port on the front i/o and the chassis is based on computer is fit let to fameless' designed with a taller top heatsink so the case itself is actually serving to do some thermal dissipation therefore the internal components so hopefully it doesn't get too hot supports up to 16 gigs of memory and it arrives in two flavors come June the mini two ships with four gigs of RAM and a 64 gig SSD for 300 bucks the mini pro 2 doubles doubles that ram capacity and boost storage up to 120 gig SSD for just 50 bucks more which i think is a pretty pretty fair price for a mini PC if you were just doing some some slight you know workstation stuff or you just wanted something to tinker with looks like it's also got a micro SD card slot on that tube which is pretty cool so yeah and it's it's tiny it's really tiny so you could easily slap this on the back of your monitor or something like that if you want to be super discreet with it and probably just has like a regular DC power course um but yeah cuz that's that's that's what that is let's let's move on to our last article for today which is about Apple Apple o go to Apple potentially surpassing its 1 billion dollar content budget new shows from the tech giant could debut as early as March 2019 this articles from ARS technica thanks guys Apple may pump out several new series between March 2019 and the summer TV show in the summer of that same year yes yes you thought Netflix was the end-all answer to internet streaming Paul oh do I have news for you sir yeah um there have been aware of Apple's making shows yeah neither neither was i I had no idea apparently they've already signed 12 content deals since last fall 9 of these are straight to series shows which means they're gonna skip the whole pilot process entirely and they're just gonna be full-fledged series from the get-go very efficient the content will also aligned with the company's bright optimistic brand identity which as the article states we may not be seeing a game of Thrones esque series from the big company it's gonna be bright optimistic and cheery so only good things all the time only only great fun happy joyous I don't know I don't know what that I don't know what they mean by that like our is there's not gonna be any like blood or violence and any of their series it has to align with their bright optimistic is every series that Apple puts out gonna look like and feel like an apple commercial well there be blood will there be blood definitely they won't be making a sequel to that movie that's for sure but Anna and I'm also very curious to see how much Apple product placement is injected into these series played on the Apple TV hey hey used hey you hold me on my iPhone use iTunes for that wait he's dead oh he was using an Android phone uh-uh no wonder fuck here have an apple I tried to tell you use a green bubble it wasn't as a green bubble what I don't know I don't know wait you're not familiar with the green bubbles for texting yeah Oh like that means the green bubbles that is a Greenville know that pop up when you're going you're typing so people know you're typing no oh no no your cum is it green bubble what green I don't know if this is an Apple thing I don't know yeah it's cuz you're ashamed of your green bubble what you don't know you see anybody you know you know you don't even know you've probably been shunned you've probably been been the green the green of conversations because if you're a green but why are you ashamed of it though I don't get it the green bubble what's so bad about the green bow the green bubble is Kyle I'm surprised I'm glad I'm glad at this point that I'm able to introduce you and perhaps others out there who might be unaware of the stigma of the green bubble what is the meaning of this green bubble conversation the green bubble so so if you if you have an iPhone it won't be green and you want to do a group message uh-huh and you have all your friends and you put them all a group message so you can all group message together and do one of those super exciting fun group messages that everyone gets notifications for it isn't annoying at all if you include someone in that group message who is say an Android user then their bubble will show up as green that sounds special not blue tones like a feature that no no because because normal bubbles are blue I think they're blue or gray that's gray and and green bubbles people who have green bubbles are excluded shunned and otherwise left out from any you know social that is such an Apple move yeah god that's annoying so that's the point I'm trying to get out here okay maybe it'll be called the green bubble and it'll be like it'll be like the shimmer from annihilation it'll just start slowly expanding and destroy everything that it encompasses but yeah if you if you have ever been in a conversation with people and it's just kind of falling off Prabhas you were the green bubble oh shit screaming bubble it's good etiquette guys and everyone just kind of backs away who invited the green bubble all right anyway apples making some shit you know they're making they're making TV shows watch it or don't I don't care they've signed a bunch of stars I'm sure it's gonna be all gray they probably all use not green bubbles dicks the pink bubble crew unclear if all the contents gonna live behind a paywall I'm sure it is and yeah apples got a lot of catching up to do but they've also got over you know almost 300 billion dollars to show out to catch up with in a year's time it's probably not an issue for and I think there's kind of sucks I mean in a sense I enjoy only having one or two logins because why Vsauce and I have cut the cord a long time ago we haven't had a cable or TV subscription in you like a decade plus and so we enjoy just logging into you know Netflix or Amazon like Netflix and Amazon we bounce back between but now we're gonna have I mean we're not gonna we're never gonna sign for Apple whatever anything Apple styles probably not but if there's like exclusive shows that go to Apple then like fuck what do we gonna do after like we're gonna have to either like suck apples dick and and pay for it or we're just gonna have to not enjoy those shows and be like fuck we don't know what's going on in that awesome show that seems to be trending and everyone's watching right now so fuck we're like not relevant anymore fuck us and then there's like Disney Disney's also starting the streaming service they're gonna have like Pixar and Disney series and films on there and and they just bought 24 they might buy 21st century fox twentieth century fox I don't know I I don't I don't like having all these logins for streaming I want it to be simple again I want to stay simple but that's my half of the show people thank you very much for the pantomiming fall I think I think that should be a segment that should be a segment Paul that should be a segment where I talk about a new story and you just pantomime the whole fucking thing I'm done I'm done make it a regular segment on your half pal doing it rip better better in the second half though yes all right so we have some leftover donations from Paul's half I guess we'll start there starting with a bomb for the $25 donation I have an Origin Kronos PC with an 8700 K water-cooled 32 gigs of RAM GTX to 1080i and I can't get over 40 FPS on lower demanding games like World of Warcraft 60 FPS for League of Legends what the heck what gives any ideas are you sure you're not gaming on your 8700 K's in a good ethics make sure that your like your DisplayPort or your display cable is plugged into your graphics card for starters actually a bomb what I don't what I would tell you is you have an Origin PC and there's absolutely no excuse for an Origin PC with 32 gigs of ram and 8700 K and a 1080 Ti to be running the games that you're talking about at that frame rate one of the benefits that you get if you buy a completely built PC usually is that it has a warranty some capability of contacting the people who built that in order to get some help and some assistance and that is what I definitely think you should do in your case because you paid for it you paid for it you have a very nice system based on the specs you've told us and you should be getting much better for performance than that so origins should be able to help you out with that I don't know I yeah I don't know too much beyond that based on the details you've given but hopefully origin can help you out because all we can verify is for you is that yeah League of Legends World of Warcraft not very graphically intensive games and a 1080 TI should be able to tear through those at 200 300 frames per second or better yeah all right tom-toms brims myths 15 or we talk speaking of mining my 980ti profitability dropped from three heroes and day one in in day two one zero per day to one euro in one month electricity cost is about point nine euros in the de bruit it wow that's that's a big drop so yeah your profitability went from 200 to the third yeah it dropped down to a third of what it was 10% and yeah and that's and with the electricity cost where it is I mean that's only point one euro that you're making there buddy so yeah but on the plus side the flip side to that is that your lack of profitability with mining it is everyone else's game hopefully gain in the reduced viability of GPUs to mine with who wants Tom's 980ti four to two dollars so Tom's I'm sorry you're not able to be as profitable as you used to be with your 980ti but it's but I hope that means that other people are able to buy a 918 980ti or 1070 or anything in that range for a reasonable price it's the circle of life all right thank you very much Tom's another Tom's port option and for another fifty Norwegian kroner by the way Kyle how you setup CS server me and my wife want to try spec attack we don't really setup a CS server we just create a private game I invite wifey sauces counter joins it tennis trick yeah that's usko so we don't really need to create a server or anything like that no hosting involved just you know private matchmaking as long as your friends on Steam you should be able to do just fine bazinga it's $25 how soon after the video did Heather's dad call about the handcuff comment made about them being on the bedpost lol I did have a question but someone already asked it so I went with this comment instead wifey sauces dad is extremely cool he's extremely cool and if he ever calls me to address a comment like that in one of our videos he mainly just says I was voting malarious that was awesome keep it up like he's that cool so so that's why we constantly pushed the boundaries as to what we can get away with it's that it's that that final five minute window and five five five minute we have a boy I'll show get a little floating everything's great and b67 13 dollars and 37 cents how do you encounter any configuration or overclocking problems with the ex 99m Taichi micro ATX motherboard I'm considering purchasing one for my upcoming to your for build I have not actually loaded up windows onto it yet I've just simply to the PC and it is glorious there will be a part to rest assured Paul is carrying it right now it's a micro episode is really nice so we got four dimm slots the not impressed a nose that is 32 gigs of ram in there which is more than most people systems and it's more than enough to handle the WMA footage a gig dims all over price right now because you're trying to profit you could do you can do 16 gig did right there try they'll do 60/40 I try to make more money after a cake dims huh you know you know my $12,000 elite build only maxes out about 20 gigs I think my spine is ladies when when rendering compress I should put this down put it down before you break it okay isn't it nice though isn't it it's very nice computer um rest assured MB in part two I'll be discussing overclocking reliability and all that sort of thing so stay tuned for that I'm very excited for that as well Baha $5 but GPU prices dropping should I upgrade my MSI RX 560 ITX OC pre-cut down Bowl to something better I have no plans of going past 1080p hmm I would give it a give it a month me give it a month or two yeah like I don't know where they might go down further we're seeing some inflection we're seeing some dip that we haven't seen for a while so I don't know like the worst-case scenario is that prices just bounce back up in which case we're giving you jewel advice right now and you should have bought a 50 to $100 over price card but I think that there's some like I think there's some kind of bubble action that's been going on for the past six months to a year and I think there's some like leveling out that's that's bound to occur and if that ends up being that GPU prices are a little bit higher than they were before I think that is a better end result than GP prices being double because of the inflation due to the demand from cryptocurrency mining so I think I think we are gonna see some leveling out and I think at this point because we're only just starting to see that leveling out I think it's worth holding up a month or two to see what prices continue to do what effects the introduce and introduction of like and aetherium basic miner has on the market as a whole right and also what effect the potential upcoming launch of new GPUs from Nvidia and AMD has as well yeah we're at a very pivotal point right now where a lot of things could change or stay the same get better or worse we're not sure so just hold out a little bit longer but if but if prices go up it's not our fault and if they go down I would say going from an aurochs 560 look to see what you could get a GTX 1074 10-7 done me a solid upgrade very even jumping from a 560 to a 570 or 580 is a pretty nice jump to so in 1066 gig maybe or something like that keep an eye keep an eye on all those cards stay woke all right tighten heel heel bear keep $1 thank you very much showing Kyle some love currency s agent at new egg oh hey new egg fam everyone asked about Paul but not Kyle really Alex mentioned Kyle please bring me a mousepad in person at the call center me love you long time Kyle song well Paul I blame that he's the originator of new egg TV he's been there a lot longer than I actually worked at warehouse one customer service I actually worked at warehouse one for an extended period of time the agent means customers franchisee Oh bar H if you're a CS agent you're probably still at warehouse one over there and in lovely Whittier California or everyone just hates me ih explains I got a job at new egg in 2005 so I don't oh you're all right I'll give you I'll give you an old-school story from my end and I apologize that it's not more positive looking but I got a job I got a job at new ID in 2005 and I worked at that warehouse one and woodier which is the original Newegg building four three two to three years before I moved over to warehouse seven every single year that I worked there and I was at warehouse one they told us that they were gonna they were gonna move customer service to in the location they were gonna upgrade warehouse one to a better location with better air conditioning and like not rats that died in the walls and stuff like that and and and it never happened so point being they still there yes as far as as far as I know if you contact me a customer service you're still gonna be talking on the plus side to an actual United States citizen in the city of Whittier California which I've always given you a credit for like they have not done that yes they do outsource some of the email responses and everything to China because if you have a team in China that responds to everything as well but the vast majority of new a customer service is based in the United States in California and thumbs up to them for that I wish no egg would invest a little bit more or at least back when I worked there I had always wished the new a good invest a little bit more in the facilities the customer service lived in and worked at I went to warehouse one once house started working I knew egg and joined me when I were working at warehouse 7 right which was fine it was a nicely in the City of Industry yeah just 510 models for me maybe a few months after I got the job at new egg working at warehouse 7 I had to go to customer store I had to go to the warehouse 1 for something I there to pick up something for us or something for myself and I just remember thinking what oh my god this this is like the like they just shoved customer service into this corner of shame that like it barely had walls it just looked dilapidated and just there's like a shitty fence around it like just like the chain fence that you see like around homes do be fair that is where new eggs started new egg before they had any of the locations that was the rich location that's fine but they maintain you can start the inning they maintains that location they kept renting it even after they had expanded into the locations and City of Industry otherwise you know honestly Kyle and I can only speak for a new egg goings-on up till 2012-2013 when did we 2015 no 2014 14 14 14 2014 2015 yeah beyond that we have no idea they've maybe everything is different now and they've changed but point being thank you hi lung hi no I'm sorry thank you see I didn't heal by thank you tithing heal bar H for your donation and we wish you the best of luck as ACS worker Anuak thank you tightening all right hi lung additional donation of $5 ft measure by cr7 7100 at 3.7 gigahertz he wanted 3.9 gigahertz a tourist 1080 TI extreme which a io4 the cpu 280 red top exhaust or 240 front intake concerned about clearance to four times eight you should be good yeah I mean front intake over top exhaust and you got an AI o for a 1700 it's not it's not gonna make that much difference I would go with whatever's cheaper which is probably which is private 240 word just Jones says $20 heyguys a heyguys question do you think all the technology that comes in Vega 56 and 64 for example HBM to DirectX 12 Vulcan is more future proof or ready for technological changes in future games versus gddr5 plus memory does I don't think that's an apples to apples comparison that you're talking about there simply because you're talking about memory and memory is memory memory is like a finite quantifiable parking space right and whatever game that you're playing might want to park more or less textures in that space right if you follow me follow me here okay so filling it up filling up a can yes so the ability to put stuff into that parking space and take it out of that parking space to make use of it is going to be your memory speed now granted when you move from something like Judy dr5 X memory or gddr5 memory to something like hvm memory we're talking about a a vast increase in the bandwidth the communication between the memory and the processor which with gddr5 and g dr g GJ r 5x is much narrower but that gddr5 and gddr5 X memory is natively faster so come so there's a trade-off balance there yeah so memory speed is definitely important definitely has a factor in the overall performance of a graphics card but going back to your original question the core technology the the architecture of what a Vega GPU is made from when you're talking about future-proof I really reply it doesn't really apply to be honest DirectX 12 Vulcan I mean that's a lot of that is up to the developers but they want to optimize their games for you know like doom for example supports Vulcan because the developers decided to optimize their code to run really well with certain hardware in the Vulcan API and you know if developers continue to optimize their games for Vulcan then that's going to become more of a relevant API in comparison DirectX 12 but I feel like this is all of these are gonna kind of scale evenly over time I guess time would tell if one sort of eats out the other but to be honest I think the memory thing is is not really relevant because it doesn't it doesn't really indicate future-proofing it's just a different method of storing something in a frame buffer and at the end of the day developers are gonna be make games optimized for AMD cards and NVIDIA cards the same because if you're a video game dev you don't want your game to just run good on one brand of GPU because you understand that the market is varied but there's competition and that a lot of your consumers at the end of the day are gonna be running both camps of hardware so you're gonna want to make sure that your games are running equally good at least equally Goods close to equally good on both platforms so you know I think the only time we would start scratching our heads and being like oh shit I think someone's in trouble is if the competition really gets slanted where if like let's say Nvidia just starts dominating and AMD sales and you know the future generation the next generation of AMD cards is just jack-shit for whatever reason hypothetically speaking then maybe devs are gonna be like well we should probably make sure that our games work really well on Nvidia cards specifically because 90% of the market is gonna be buying those but I don't think that's necessarily the case right now so I wouldn't be too concerned yeah yeah it's you and there's a lot more to dive into for this type of I think we need to I think we would need to clarify that question more before giving a more accurate answer and also difficult to answer at the very end of our live show when we've had more drinks so why couldn't let it in the first thing I'll ask I'm sorry does we couldn't give you a more clear answer for that question yeah but that's like an asking ask a dev or ask ask Jensen question let's move on to Zynga X $5 Kyle don't forget for April Fool's Day break into Paul's house and put all of his computers on the floor that would be I mean I'm definitely not considering doing that suggested it for sure you wouldn't get past my security system right strikes fire $10 hi guys thanks for your videos I'm using the Maximus X code in CRAC Connect 62 what is the point of the a IO pump header if you still need something plugged into the CPU fan header Rex fire motherboard manufacturers have made varying connection points on their motherboards for three pin fan heaters four pin fan headers and those have also been reused for pumps and different configurations so certain motherboard manufacturers have made headers that are specifically designed to work with pumps that might draw more power for example in a lot of cases though it's really just a labeling distinction so it just matters for if I if I plug this into the pump header and I go into the BIOS and I want to adjust the say range of operational rpms or something like that then I know specifically if I go to adjust the pump header and that's what I've plugged my pump into and that's what I know to adjust it varies from motherboard to motherboard so it's hard to say exactly for you but know you have a Maximus Xcode so you have an asus motherboard so I would say a IO pump header is what I would plug my AOM directly into if I have fans coming after that I would probably plug those into CPU fan 1 and CP fans secondary if that's a choice or you can of course plug those directly into the NZXT kraken right and use the software for that to control it's basically up to you but the pump just you can plug into a the pump header is the best choice just because it's that much if even if it's just for the simple solution of it makes it that much easier to go into the BIOS to find exactly where you want to adjust that if you want to change the pump speed yeah and and I think I would probably only pump plug my pump into a pump header or a header on the motherboard as opposed to like a fan controller or something because I feel like the bios understands that what you've plugged into is a pump whereas a fan controller like a third party fan controller like Thermaltake or something might not know and it might not give you the proper Diagnostics on that and additionally you might what it seems like from your comment you say like what's the point if you still need something plugged into the CPU fan header it sounds like maybe you're getting some error message when trying to boot if you don't have the CPU fan header populated and that's a simple fix in the BIOS you can just choose to ignore the RP element because sometimes your system won't boot properly or go into your operating system if your CP if it shows that your CPU fan is under a certain rpm limit because they can oh shit your CPU is gonna fry it's gonna overheat you can just ignore that that read that monitoring diagnostic and you should be able to boot no problem so you actually don't need something plugged into your CPU fan header if that's what you were referring to but thank you very much for the donation moving on to Titan heal bar H once again for the $5 donation another donation I wanted to say that Kyle has hardcore babyface in the new egg orientation material got a good laugh I'm the new egg orientation material I did not realized I was I guess they're using your image and likeness without your consent well that's what I sign my life away with when I started working there so that's we expected but yeah you know I still have a baby face if I were to shave all this then I would think I was 12 and Paul was a rapist pedophilia pedophile weird creepy never taken advantage of you sexually can just wait till I shave and your sh why are those with five-dollar keys with five dollars Canadian donations with all this expensive camera stuff would I or do I need an external mic looking at the rode videomic go or rode rode videomic pro never use a built-in mic Andrew I would say yes audio is often the most overlooked aspect of video production so doing so investments in your microphone and especially finding out how that mic works some mics are omnidirectional some are directional some need to be positioned more carefully yeah it depends on yeah I'd say it's worth it you're shooting set up DB chapter so that rise in jacket you have Kyle it looks nice how do I get me one what do I have to who do I have to fight can I have yours I think we're the same size I got that at a AMD press event for Rison yeah so did Paul right you got with you I have one so yeah we all have one and everywhere it there's no weight it's really nice I love my not my style it's not my style either but you know I work alone apart from being with my wife he doesn't really care too much what jacket they were so I wear it to work sometimes it keeps me warm in here cuz it's freezing during the day I can't buy it though sorry about that maybe I'll sell mine one day for like $1,000 $5 hey Kyle last week I got Paul's peal box info for a possible beer booze donation just need yours now Plus fave beer slash booze my PA box is in the video description of my youtube videos just still be there or at least in my about page on my channel and my favorite beer or booze I like anything that's like an IPA stout I like Browns Reds one of those will do anything anything surprise me surprise variety I'm pretty open El Jefe reviews most of El Jefe $5 sub guys missed the first half due to overtime at work I made it for sad be hell yeah Paul loved the nice I love the deep cool video though I'll PC of the month is dope Cheers thanks I'll jefe cheese to you brother kilo Cruiser $10 you know I recently built a new PC and decided to buy a hue plus after I installed it starting I started getting a b-side error after and uninstalled hue and the errors went away any idea how I can use the hue plus without getting a B sod the driver issue some sort something's not playing nicely with your you plus yeah that's weird I would try connecting it to different connections right because the U Plus connects via USB so you probably a couple of several USB 2.0 ports or headers on the motherboard so you might be able to connect the different ones of those and see if anything features ext or it could just be a defective units I mean about to if if you've verified that the the hue plus is what's causing your problem when it's plugged in you get be sods when you unplug it it stops then maybe just getting a replacement could be could solve your problem yeah because I I haven't had an issue similar to that with mine either right but yeah okay Suvarna to the 300 rupees watching the stream at work because I wanted to catch it live at least once in my life I think I should I have you have now you may live a long life full of regret Jason H always enjoy the show need a second opinion on this budget build with a PC part vicar list Jason thank you very much for the donation we don't have time to look at the list right now but uh maybe we can post it in chat and people can can can tell you can can give you some advice that'd be great Teddy Tiger $5.00 growing up I used to visit egghead software before they became Newegg that's how old I am that's a that's a misconception misconception egghead was never affiliated or has anything with new affiliation no affiliation whatsoever yeah new exits own thing egg had something but it never but a common mistake I also ordered it at egghead software before I got the job at new egg but yeah common common mistake but they're not associated tonight I did want to follow up on Jason at Jason HS comments and the they build that he linked oh yes that's risin 5 1600 with an AZ rock X 370 killer SLI motherboard and a data 256 gig SSD looks pretty solid to me let's CPU NZXT s340 CP uses horizon 5 1600 if you want to save somebody you can go for a be 350 motherboard but yeah apart from that get away with the be 350 for sure you could save 10 20 30 bucks depending on what model you go with and you don't need the X 370 unless you're going with this an SLI configuration yeah so looks pretty solid I'm ok with it nice case choice like the s3 45 alright a bomb $25 origin said the 1080i runs hot and to better cool the hardware I recently had to spend extra $800 for a new larger case what 850 watt power supply 240 cooler new motherboard because smaller one wouldn't fit so let's hope this works sigh whoa ok you had to spend an extra $800 I did I would have to know what you started with to compare I don't know 10 ATT I can run hot if it's overclocked but it depends on what clock speed it's running out and what muscles the same thing donated earlier about his original PC right oh and the cooler that you have so yeah what that shouldn't be the case no even if it's running really hot it's not gonna run Wow at 40 fps yeah if it's running that hot it's just gonna shut down or crash it's not gonna affect frame rates to that degree anyway so origen needs to get on that yeah it's a little weird to me yeah it doesn't also might depend on your location and how warm it is ambient and everything but yeah that's a tenancy I should be kind of like the great thing is that origins there to serve you they're like how's it gonna continue Trevor Thompson $5 I have an Asus GTX tiny Strix if I were to buy a gigabyte GT X 1080 would I be able to use them together in SLI or does the brand matter the brand shouldn't matter you should be able to use them in SLI even though it'll look kind of funky in your case but you shouldn't have any issues it will yeah I mean yeah honestly you should be totally fine there I can't imagine that it would give you many issues oh that should be on my yeah should be on yeah yeah there are my car keys and stuff but yeah you should be fine with two different GTX eternities as awkward as it might be but good luck hey long $5.00 my r7 1,700 will do three point nine but temperatures make me want to go liquid was asking because eight pin is tight on top and GPU is close on front any additional thoughts the eight pin is tight on top and the GPU is close on front huh what do you mean like the 8 pin connector for your CPU is tight on top oh I see it's tightly like you might run into some clearance issues with like a radiator for example um the GPU is closed on the front yeah I don't remember what cooler you were using hi lung but if it's possible to just upgrade it to a better air cooler you shouldn't really need liquid cooling for a risin 7 1,700 even if you're overclocking it to 3.9 you should be able to get away with like a pretty mid-range cooler you might want to just double check to see you but what your thermal application was like and making sure that it's mounted properly because it's 1700 as decent of a CPU it isn't very difficult to cool so I don't think you need to resort to liquid cooling in any fashion I would just double-check your your mounting and your thermal paste application the cooler that you're using make sure it's the proper TDP rated for the property BP of that chip which is 65 watts if that's the case then you know obviously go a little bit over 65 watts because you'll be overclocking but you shouldn't need to resort to liquid that's that's a little bit it's extra money that you'll be spending unnecessarily unless you just have dollars to spend Dallas to burn a pub chef at $5 ever thought of doing a chill stream of editing one of your videos I just did it had three viewers and now eight viewer so far walls I have I have considered doing that but I always get I always feel like a bit self-conscious about doing something like that because I mean for one users get to see viewers get to see all of my outtakes and just how many times I say a certain line before I actually get it right which isn't all the time but sometimes it's like I'll do like 20 takes just to get like the simplest line down I'm I can be a perfectionist at times so I guess maybe it's just a little bit of insecurity on my part and then the other part of it is more insecurity like because there are so many other people out there that are way better at editing in Premiere Pro than me Taron for example from Linus tech tips like he's just an editing god and he's got all these macros to figure it out and he can just like he's fully optimized that he spent time that dude has spent time optimizing his editing experience for me where I've spent zero time like I just I've been using the same methods as I have as I have since high school and shit thank you very much but but maybe who knows I'm not gonna rule it out SF SKS 11 $5 NZXT s340 elite front hub USB port next to the vr next to the VR not working all the other ones are fine could you and Paul recommend a all in USB /m SD reader Ms Dean MSD I don't know what that is do you know what an MSD reader is Paul please what is your Frankie their mole fry front hug USB port next to VR not working multi-story multi storage device Super Micro SD micro SD oh oh oh micro SD reader okay rusty okay I haven't seen it bring it like that hmmm I don't I don't have any USB slash micro USD reader recommendations I use a regular SD card reader that that works pretty good I can't think of the the off-brand Chinese brand that that makes it at the top of my head I have a Kingston USB 3.0 card reader that works pretty good yeah it's probably not the same functionality as like the front reader on the XS 340 elites cuz that's pretty convenient up there yeah but yeah I like the Kingston one yeah search Amazon and look at the reviews Dom PCX ten dollars okay Kyle I have a rise in 1800 X overclock to four gigahertz but I have two gigabyte gtx 960 s and the g1 four gigabyte and i was able to overclock both of them achieving a boost clock for 1570 on both of them is it still a bottleneck uh i wouldn't i wouldn't say so two gtx 960 s with an ex i think that's pretty fair pairing it's kind of hard to predict sli configurations or multi-gpu configurations anyway because they're gonna react differently based on the games and have they been developed and stuff but I don't know 1800 X is a really solid performer 960s aren't that powerful so I would say you're fine yeah but thank you for the donation dumb shader aid once again for the five bucks I'm getting drunk sued and stoned hey you feel bad I gave Paul five dollars and not you lol thank you for the pity money I always appreciate penny money why is the sky blue why not and do a do a wifey build contest where you wear Hulk hands I don't know what Hulk hands are other than big like Solman gloves looks like the Hulk's hands I don't think that build would actually happen just because he wouldn't be able to do anything with that situation but we do have a similar believe it or not we have a build coming up that's kind of in that same thing San Diego land $5 San Diego lana thanas this weekend still love to see you guys come down info at San Diego land net hit us up and we'll do something I actually have plans this weekend so I probably won't be able to make it but it's been a while since I did the land those are fun everyone in San Diego goes to the San Diego later thon the zoo the land do the land dance I thank you very much San Diego and Sherbrooke Ali 10 bucks hey what do you think about hacking Tasha's in general I was in the process of loading one up with Mac OS oh hi Sierra and I got halfway through it all right I actually I ran into some issues it's a lot more complicated than it looks at least for me my experience has been pretty rocky I'm still planning to go through with it but it's been put on pause for now because it's tricky getting all the little things to work you can I installed the OS just fine but then getting things like Wi-Fi or bluetooth to work properly there's little things that need to be nuanced so I think hackintosh is are cool though I think Mac's in general are super expensive and you can you know build a PC for a lot cheaper and still run a Mac operating system on it that does what you need it to I think that's great I think Mac OS developers cheat and are lazy by only having to develop their plat for a very specific episode of hardware yeah which makes a lot simpler for them to do their job yep and which also makes a lot more complex when you try to load up their software on PC hardware PC hardware that you've chosen out yourself chosen yourself so I'm not surprised when it doesn't work and the fact that the developers of the software itself specifically developed that with an eye towards not wanting people to use it on other hardware it makes me think like alright I won't use your software then yeah right that's where I come from just two needs final gun use premier and I think hackintosh azar actually even out like technically against the term you can't sell one Terms of Service right yeah you can't sell one for sure yeah yeah but they're not gonna come after you if you do it yourself there's really no way for them to do that much but thank you very much for the donation shah rukh next we've got tighten heel bar again ten bucks tidy a bar back again with another donation again giving cows in love I seriously hope you bring me a mousepad I will hug you in the CS Center with no shame I will I will molest you with this mouse pad no I didn't say that one stream I will throw this beer now beer stains mouse pad mouse pad smells very it's very potent yeah I don't like it thank you very much Titan high along $5.00 I'm running the Wraith spire I'll read you the thermal app and see how it goes the CPU voltage is one point four five four three point nine stable on the 1700 which is giving me 96 degrees Celsius under load voltage is a little higher than I would want to run with 24/7 yeah that's super high that's pro like you either have a bad CPU or you're just over volting it more than you need to turn to one point for one point for one it's also one of those things where it's like you know some seventeen hundreds just can't run at that frequency mm-hmm yeah you know maybe you can maybe you can coax it into doing that for a short period of time with a really high voltage and adequate cooling but practically speaking shoot for three points yes just three point eight it's fine dramatically you'll be happier in the end and even consider double check and even consider what your 1700 is doing at stock because at stock with XFR when it's only trying to push one or two cores up to a higher frequency sometimes you can hit three point eight three point nine even four gigahertz and going with a more brute force manual overclock to tell it to be like no do three point nine all the time can actually keep it from doing that for four gigahertz on a couple cores from time to time which can improve your gaming performance depending on the game that you're you play so sometimes as much as as much fun as it is to overclock a Rison processor and as is you know open as AMD is with the different chipsets that enable and everything sometimes it makes more sense just to run stock yeah but thank you very much hi long and finally we have Paul C from the five bucks I have an i-5 30 39 60 X on an Asus x79 saber-toothed tough what kind of performance increase what I see in upgrading to something more current gen ah that's a good question it's hard to answer that specifically but Paul I can tell you at this point you will notice a difference huge I'm not gonna quantify it I'm not gonna tell you here's where you'll find this difference of that difference a lot you will see a difference instructions for clock has improved dramatically since the i7 and 3960 x days and if you get something that's a equivalent number of cores and threads or better you'll see a performance increase and you also see performance increase from capability of doing stuff like an nvme SSD and that kind of thing so don't get me wrong here 39 60 X is still perfectly viable so if if it's doing the job for you then then hang out on that a little bit longer but you will notice a difference if you upgrade big-time thank you very much Dom PCX $5 also last question as your opinion on Unreal Engine 4 do you think it will be taxing on older hardware and possibly make anything below a 6 Series obsolete it's hard to say because you're just talking about Unreal Engine 4 that's an engine there's lots of different things that can be done with that engine there's lots of different textures it can be imported of different sizes that might take up more or less memory so yes it will be taxing on older hardware I would like I won't say it would make anything below a six years obsolete but below a six series you'll probably have to lower GPU or at lower graphical settings or maybe turn down anti-aliasing or other things in order to get an acceptable frame rate but yeah okay very very low last very last donation five dollars but no I think this is from Gatorade once again oh hey my r5 2400 G is stable at 4.1 gigahertz for everything except a 264 stress test if I use the cash test it says Hardware fail every time but fine without I'd be okay with that stress tests often do stuff that you would never ever encounter outside of a stress test so yeah if you're okay everywhere else then I would be okay failing just that stress test but if you have instability elsewhere then you might consider dialing stuff back yeah I refuse all right Johnson's here Johnson's Eric for picking up a CPU cooler a navy blue t-shirt thank you very much Johnson to you sir I have one Johnson for Jeff from Texas he got the black Trev lend them screw shirt Thank You Jeff Johnson frederique rip gamepad Thank You Frederick for being the second person to pick up that shirt sergio BIOS flash shirt Johnson to Sergio and then finally we've got one from 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