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load with Adobe Premiere Pro one base clock below the base clock like Maxim that's it's one thing if you can't hit the turbo but holy crap you can't even hit the advertised base clock the bare minimum which was advertised to be 2.9 gigahertz on on these quarters was only showing 2.2 gigahertz in his testing that's pretty darn significant when you're considering all 6 cores and potentially 12 threats um I think it's and then this court sort of sparked a whole blame game right there's all the Intel slash and I feel like a lot of the PC fanboys are also unintel side here then there's the Apple fanboys who are saying well you know if Intel had just not kept delaying their 10 nanometer CPUs then maybe they'd run cooler and we wouldn't have this issue and then you know Intel and PC side is like well you know what Mac or Apple didn't have to put these CPUs inside of their laptops they're just they're so eager to get this product out they could have improved or re-engineered the thermal the cooling solution to make the i-901 cooler they could have you know allowed their their MacBook Pros to be just a little bit so slightly thicker than they usually are instead of trying to preserve the the whole like sleek and sexy chassis mentality but no they went ahead with it anyway turns out that it doesn't really matter a whole lot because Apple came out today with a statement saying that the whole issue the whole thermal throttling has nothing to do with Intel's CPU or has nothing to do with the the MacBook Pro body but rather a software bug this is just a simple bug that can be instantly fixed with a quick software update and sure enough they've they've rolled out a fix that's available immediately and this should basically restore everything to working order and you should be able to hit all of those benchmarks and those those performance numbers that are advertised by Apple so holy crap everyone was making a big stink presumably over nothing this was just announced today this is the and what's interesting is that after this update fix we're also seeing that this is a this is a cure for for not just the flagship eye 9 MacBook Pro but even some of the other lower lower tier models that don't even have quarry nines in them which were thermal throttling and now they aren't because of this software match so I didn't have too much opportunity to look into this but I saw some comment that said it was some it wasn't the actual CPU that was thermal throttling it was a some adjacent controller chip that was actually doing it and that's why Apple is able to actually solve this issue or at least improve this issue okay I didn't read that in the article but that is with a software update does it seem weird like a software update doesn't seem like I should be able to solve just something that's fundamental like if the if the the chassis is designed and it's too thin and it doesn't have you know proper heat dissipation then then okay but Dave actually posted a video 35 minutes ago did he really yeah after the patch yeah so he has a piece of post patch following video so according to the article I have watched according to the article that I'm mentioning it says that the patch was fine to my knowledge he said the patch works actually he pinned a comment saying the patch works this is on his recent video that he just posted the patch works it's still not as good as the thick boys but I'll take the performance bump so I think what he means by thick boys is some of the other manufacturers who also incorporated or implemented I 9s into their systems are running a bit faster and maybe a bit cooler overall than the MacBook Pro man I think that's what he means thick meaning they're slightly thicker right physically larger chassis and so he's got some updated benchmark performance numbers here which I suggest you guys take a look at if you're at all curious about this whole thing so I guess the patch works it's probably not 100 percent of the potential of the core 9 core i9 that you might expect but at least it seems like most of the heavy issues have been weeded out with this little fix here so that's good could have been it could have been a real cluster F but had it not been for I'd have been more of a hardware based issue my personal stance on something like this would be if they're able to patch it so it's not throttling down - beneath its base clock what does that mean that means it's only throttling down now - just - just its base clock or just slightly above its base lock like I have to look at that I can do I can appreciate some of the design aesthetics of the MacBooks and everything but I would much rather just have a slightly thicker laptop even the slightly heavier laptop that didn't throttle that had a at a great cooling solution that wasn't able to not to just run it at the baby stock but maybe run it extensively at some boosts clocks right because they can actually whose frequency can go up a decent amount right on these chips from that's kind of what it sounds like from from Dave's comment and stuff so far is that there is still maybe a smidge a smidgen of of thermal throttling even though we're still now able to get to the base clock but I agree with Paul I'm you shouldn't settle for the bare minimum especially when you're paying top dollar for a product like the MacBook Pro 15 inch this is our flagship yeah notebook these I need several several thousands of dollars at their base model so the one that can be up to like six thousand dollars plus yes yes so you don't you don't pay six thousand I don't care what product it is you don't pay $6,000 for the bare minimum performance for a laptop like this if it has additional Headroom the $6,000 in your pocket should allow you to hit those an additional benchmarks and those additional whatever thresholds yeah so good work on you Dave yeah and congratulations to all the success you've had in the last year or two on your channel it's doing fantastically by the way awesome stuff dude Dave's a big fan of awesome heartbreak well-deserved oh yeah he watches us like every week every every day even though we only do one stream a week that's how dedicated he is he's found a way to he breaks it up into vii just so he could watch a piece of it every day that's how much she loves us thanks Dave thanks Dave for your patronage we appreciate it um all right moving on reddit user zou Dame compiled this little list of a bunch of be 450 motherboards from AMD these are a.m. for boards compatible with the second gen rising chips yeah and there's a lot of them there sums from Asus there's a one from gigabyte couple from as Drock let's talk about these these mostly seem available the only one I didn't actually see pop up was the Amazon link there's one Amazon link out of all those new egg ones I was just getting the dogs of Amazon again I got flashbacks from from freaking prime day you know triggered by pts you can just buy this right now you can just buy it apparently they seem they are seemingly available right now yeah all right it's Add to Cart you should add it to cart and see no I don't want your stupid yeah well let's get one call pick up tomorrow yeah we could we we have a be 450 board in here within 24 hours as we live next to the new egg roll call center um which is super cool so you guys can buy B 450 boards now apparently from a new egg if you're in the u.s. that's cool there's a couple interesting ones here the price range for all these boards is probably a dozen or so boards listed from this Reddit user and the prices range from all the way down from $69 to about 129 so pretty decent range if you're looking at a one of the highest end boards that that's on this list there's the asus rog Strix b 450f gaming which Paul will tell Paul would definitely bring up it's it's the prettiest board that's listed in my opinion of course looks serious objective but I think this one looks the nicest just in terms of the RGB kind of the nice nicer heat sinks I would also has it has cyber text on the heatsink cyber text cybertek's cyber text me we were cyber texting each other it sounds like online porn I'm having sniper text with you and then there's veeram heatsink looks a little bit more substantial than some of the cheaper models that are on this list so that's nice maybe some additional overclocking Headroom here it's a fixed i/o shield yes integrated read on the i/o cover it's really nice it's got RGB lighting of course with you know some RGB headers a couple uh couple RGB headers there twos a couple I've got twos as well and plenty of USB 3.1 to go around they've got two Gen 2 ports that are type-a and four USB 3.1 gen2 are also type a free of I'm sorry three of which were Type A and one is type C so plenty connectivity there there's also the gigabyte the only gigabyte board that was listed towards the end here was the B 450 horas Pro Wi-Fi rev 1.0 at 119 dollars so 10 bucks cheaper than the ROG board you just looked at also has RGB also has 2 m dot 2 slots it should be on the reddit page probably at the very bottom or as pro ATX oh so this one also has plenty of USB 3.1 genuine and Gen 2 ports kind of has a high they did the thing again 120 they did the thing again where it's got some orange accents on the heatsink they're sticking with the orange to doubling down I'm thinking maybe they're they're swappable or something maybe it comes with extras in the box or something that you can swap them out for some more color orange LEDs though - those might be RGB I'm not sure if the audio tracing is is RGB but I don't see RGB anywhere in this name here though really no no there's oh you know what scroll down into the it's got a whole spread of features I did see RGB for sure wait does it say right here whoa good ha sputtering wants elevation stop buffering that happen F lot of F's hella F's we do not have Wi-Fi we are connected directly via ethernet people on YouTube let me double check limit double check all right we've got some technical technical difficulties here which says zero dropped frames I don't know what YouTube is doing YouTube is live everyone refresh although if you can't see the stream right now than twitch please like it's okay on our end yeah my scream is fine I don't know guys I'm seeing I'm seeing the stream a region I think maybe regional yeah I would just say keep smashing it f5 until something works we haven't changed anything so obviously it's it's not us but ok so then there's all there's also one mini ITX board in this whole line up the as rock fatality be 450 gaming ITX AC which indicates that it does have Wi-Fi in the AC variety there's one about two slot and it's this is actually one of the priciest boards on the list 129 what it says this is as much as the ROG board Wow as the ROG Strix B 450f gaming so which is a full ATX board full feature so pretty pretty hefty premium for the Mini ITX version so far I think it's like because they think they're gonna be the only ones with Mini ITX out of the gate so I consult for more money or something maybe out of the gate but they're definitely enough to drop their price when other boards come out cuz it's a pretty basic looking board I mean doesn't really have like beer I'm heatsinks looks like it's got four pin and RGB beep in RGB yeah I mean how many three four six six MOSFETs right there it's got a reinforced PCIe slot it's got a reinforced PCIe slot oh yeah metal I mean that definitely drives for Christ and very very worthwhile feature okay seven point went out of you and all that so I'm sure it's a great board but 1:29 still kind of steep for a mini ATX p450 board Matt that looks like that okay be 450 yay options and you can buy them now yeah aw yay all right moving on w CCF Tech has written about Tesla running low on cash now demanding retroactive price cuts from their suppliers what what so this is interesting Wall Street has reacted quickly to all this by the way and prices of Tesla stock fell by 4% at market opening this morning and I guess this you know I guess we can start off by saying that automakers like Tesla usually incentivize their suppliers to give them the best price as possible by offering by by getting by meeting them at the negotiation table and saying look we can promise you really high demand we have the ability as automakers since we're selling hundreds of thousands of vehicles nationwide or globally to buy millions of units at a time from you all right we can do this over several years come on give us a really awesome rate and so it's it's a really hard deal for a lot of these suppliers to turn down they can't say no to the automakers and these contracts lock both parties in for several years at a time but but as it's as it turns out there was a memo to the Wall Street Journal recently that confirmed that Tesla is going back to these suppliers years after they've purchased some of these these parts and asking them for price cuts on on these historical purchases dating all the way back to 2016 so it's like stuff that they bought from a supplier like a million nuts and bolts that they bought in 2016 they're now going back and saying hey could we get like a cash rebate could you give us a discount on the products we bought from you two years ago and and it's it's something that's virtually unheard of in the automotive industry Courtney this article is normal specialists they're saying this is absolutely ludicrous but then again Tesla has never really been the company to follow the rules right to color inside the lines so it's really interesting it also shows that Tesla's kind of desperate right now for effort for just straight cold hard cash um and also that they care more about their their you know their their cash flow then perhaps their their own suppliers because at this point when the supplier is locked into a several year long contract and they're you know and they're they're basically giving the lowest prices they can the lowest prices possible to these automakers so they're already making razor thin margins off of the products they're selling and and now Tesla's saying could you give us a little bit more if they were to do that if these suppliers were to actually honor the request they could be hitting a direct cash hit to their bottom line that would put a lot of people maybe their employees in jeopardy so Tesla's pretty desperate right now on the bright side their model three production is finally hitting their five their magical five thousand units a week quota that Elon Musk was kind of like promising and was really touting as a crucial milestone for the company this was he was saying this a year ago we're gonna make 5,000 Model threes a week it's gonna happen that's what we need to be stable and to start making money they're finally hitting that after like a whole year promising they were falling really short of that in recent months but they're finally there the bad side is that the company's burning through cash rapidly like there's a giant gaping hole in their pockets two hundred and thirty million dollars worth of convertible bonds are due in November and a possible 920 million dollars in convertibles almost a billion dollars will become due in March of 2019 if the price of Tesla stock doesn't reach three hundred and fifty nine dollars and 87 cents it's very specific according to the article Tesla is currently consuming around a billion dollars every quarter and they've already cut nine percent of their workforce indicating that they struggling here trying to cut shave down their own spending but Tesla's predicted to be out of cash by the first quarter of 2019 no confirmation as to whether or not the suppliers response to the automakers oddly bold request has been favorable or not I would assume most suppliers are gonna say you know fuck off that's bullshit but damn Tesla is in a tight spot I'm hoping that seems like it Elon Musk can somehow dig him out of this hole I mean he is he is also the founder of boring company so I figured you know literally this makes sense but um you know who knows who knows it also makes me wonder what if Tesla just went completely bankrupt didn't like lost all their money had to close down shop but what happened to all the Tesla owners like would they still be would they still receive support for their cars would they still have dealerships to take their cars into what happens when and ten other super charging stations right exactly all that shit what happens to the car owner when the car manufacturer dies I don't know it's interesting and that's probably a B however unlikely or way down the line I don't know things to think about folks things to think about let's move on though this article from a hot and heavy hardware no it's just hot hard hard rare they be copying us if it was called Hutton Hardware so maybe we copied them by calling our second anyway this is a about an evil made attack evil made attacks created creating backdoors with firmware installs under four minutes this is actually kind of scary somewhat there was a security firm that recently posted a video you can play the video if you want and skim through it or whatever it's a video that demonstrates how a potential hacker with physical access to your device can install malicious firmware onto it in under four minutes flat Wow now this is also why they call it the evil made evil made attack is because like let's say you're in a hotel or something like that the only person who would really have the ability to come into your room while you're not there would be a maid and that's of course the perfect opportunity to strike and install evil backdoors and foul malware and shit like that these people it's a technical knowledge to be able to do this sort of thing are definitely often work as hotel maid's given what I understand yep absolutely okay he's just like some like obligatory shady dude it dressed up in a maid's outfit like a Mariette oh hello oh he's like clearly a Russian hacker all right so this requires removing the laptops backplate as you can see here in order to access the devices serial programmable interface or SPI flash chip so you're accessing basically the the flash trip where the firmware is stored all right and then once you've located where the firmware is stored you can you can attach a hardware programming device which is used for flashing firmware and can be purchased for a mere three hundred dollars or less so very accessible easy to obtain cheap this device that they have attached meets which looks kind of like a I don't know just looks like a silver box I got an F con sticker on it F con sticker on it um this thing loads the back door onto your device and then you're screwed yeah so right now he's just waiting he'd see the timer on the left there we're approaching two minutes after about you know three minutes or so he pops it off and proceeds to replace the back plate of the laptop and it's like wham bam thank you ma'am never even happened but all of a sudden now they have access to files of your computer and and they can track your movements because it's essentially a backdoor so I guess this the moral of the story here folks is if you have highly sensitive data or information on your laptops or notebooks that you should be aware of who has the pot the potential to to compromise that and if you are if you do find yourself in a hotel where you think you know you know scams like this happen or not super rare or not super in common then maybe take advantage of some of those hotel safes that they have in those rooms there are safes in lots of hotel rooms more maybe you can request to save for something from concierge techs put it in where the maids don't have access to the actual safe code or just hide it just hide hide your laptop make sure it's password-protected the article suggests going into the BIOS and disabling the the firmware debugging ability but I feel like a hacker who knows how to do this might also know how to go into your BIOS and and just reset that yeah so um yeah something to be aware of this is really just you know this isn't something that's necessarily going around and is infecting millions of users worldwide or anything but it's just it was a security firm who wanted us all to be aware that this is a possibility the more you know physical access is often a huge security vulnerability with computers indeed they're very little hands on next up we have a leak from overclocked 3d net maybe not directly from them but it's about a leak for the GTX eleventh series release dates whoo yeah even get some juicy details some juicy rumor leaks on on when these cards are gonna be available to the market and this is actually from gamer meld originally whose is a tech youtuber who I'm not familiar with it's a 1080 plus we'll get there so gamer meld a tech youtuber leaked in and leaked an email which whose the validity of this email has not been verified so bear that a might this is all rumor mill that contains the release dates of the gtx 1180 i'm most of tennety the 1180 gtx 1180 is presumably going to be launched on august 30th the gtx 1170 is presumably going to launch on September 30th a month later and the GTX 1160 would be a month after that on October 30th so month after month after month from starting from August we'll see 1180 1170 and 1160 the email mentions the gtx 1180 plus as Paul mentioned but this is likely just referring to Adam board partner variants so cards that you know companies like issues MSI gigabyte have taken the reference model taken the cooler off and added their own Flair maybe tweeting some of the other makes sense elements so so yeah this this does these dates however sketchy the email or leaked might be in the release date does make sense to a degree when you think about previous release cycles from Nvidia and how they release their graphics cards they usually start with the with the the 80 the xx8 0 first and then they'll release the the lower tier ones like the 70 xx 70 skew and the xx 60 skew and then later on they'll release the 8 0 TI or whatever they want to call their premium flagship kart geforce card so we Paul and I cannot confirm or deny any of the rumors here we're just giving you this information as as rumors as rumors come about and I'm sure all of this will be confirmed or denied for you either by us or not in the near future so quick note to anyone in chat who's talking about stream lag or anything like that I just double checked and we have zero dropped frames zero it must be YouTube anything you guys are seeing as either a regional outage or YouTube or something like that yeah try try streaming at a lower resolution or watch us on Twitch if you really have to twitch seems to be fine twitch is just having a dandy old time yep all right thus concludes tech news we can move on to ask the audience yay segment where Paul and I ask you the audience about this there's one more article before we go on to ask the audience I do not see that one thank you Paul overclocked 3d net once again this is about Samsung launching their micro LED TVs next year Liu Bowl so micro LED is a technology that improves upon quantum dot or QED LED and OLED panels that LG is is very very famous for while it while eliminating the disadvantages that come with both it was an internal recovery burp oh good alright so the disadvantage of queue led is is the latency for example not the latency the per pixel luminance in cue LED panels so they have to be you know backlit and stuff like that which definitely contributes to a lot of backlight bleed hot spots and things like that and then there's also the disadvantages of OLED panels such as latency and color burnin which is terrible terrible terrible things to have apparently micro LED Samsung's new micro LED is gonna solve both these issues and it'll just be one singular technology that will rule the TV world apparently in CES 2018 earlier this year Samsung revealed their 146 inch TV using micro LED technology that they deemed the wall the wall are they they dubbed the wall and it's certainly a wall because it's it kind of looks like the wall it's very very thin it was 80 millimeters at the time eighty millimeters thick very thin the display size thanks to the modularity of micro LED technology allows the screen sizes to be scaled almost endlessly which is how they were able to get it to 146 inches so easily they do have plans to release the 146 inch and these 73 inch models next year and 2018 you could have the wall on your wall pretty compelling that's like almost like they wanted to be a consumer product almost almost because these ones definitely are not 73 inch and a hundred and forty six inch micro LED TVs are not going to be cheap these will be some of the most expensive TVs on the market ever like $1000 there's like Oh LEDs five years ago was just like who the fuck had $20,000 to blow on an LG OLED 70 inch screen $2,000 20,000 20,000 dollars yeah I mean TV technology does not come cheap when you're a very very very early adopter and this is gonna be no difference so the other thing is that when they released next year these TVs will be 30 millimeters thick that's 50 millimeters thinner than they were just at this year's CES so the technology is already advancing so quickly the three ethos skillet down three centimeters three centimeters think that is that thick yeah that's it's really thick been really thin at the thickest point right I want to say like at the thickest point why don't people say that shit is thin it's thinner than you know like with two ends like thin thin thin so then th I n n let me see that we send them thins and check you'll know to me so apart from modularity M micro LEDs can offer incredible brightness levels an extremely wide color gamut and extreme levels of contrast with the technology being self emitting it's a self emitting technology means you don't need a backlight system you don't need backlighting it has per pixel illumination that a Q LED lacks for the C thin it works perfectly fine and Chet I'm liking it then thin thin what let's see more thin I can see that catching on then so then yes let's make this catch on just like we made you know calling Steve from gamers Nexus Tech Jesus thin a thin sheet has been bro um all right there's uh so yeah you don't need any backlighting that's awesome you don't need any color filtering Samsung claims is gonna be the next standard for future screen technology there's also no burn in with with oli LEDs which is interesting because without any burnin we can potentially see micro LED make its way to PC gaming monitors or PC monitors in general computer monitors because correct me if I'm wrong but there really aren't any OLED PC monitors because the burnin would be so severe from from having just like you know a static screen or a static image like your your desktop wallpaper or you know being you know on a webpage for more than 10 seconds at a time whereas with like it you know a TV like mu movie or TV show the image is constantly changing doesn't really burn in quite as easily so that might be kind of cool having a micro LED being brought to the PC gaming market who knows that's all I got for now though only coming to luxury displays sounds exciting could be years before the the micro LED technology hits the general consumer market because the 73-inch 146 inch models are again going to be the luxury for the luxury audience seems like in the past when there's been a new display technology that comes out though like you'll always see it in TVs first and often for a long time before you actually see it and yeah monitors right which sucks it does we get the you know like that like 4k scraps 4k TVs at home that you'd use at home have been pretty standard for the past couple years but we're still only just seeing 4k I think like 4k HDR is only starting to be a thing with the PC monitors so yeah yeah if this is effective for a PC monitor for gaming in particular I hope it transitions more quickly yeah and other Tech's have in the past I agree all right now we can move on to ask the audience now we're ready for it Paul and I will ask you guys a series of three questions you guys answer as honestly as possible please that's what makes it fun and then Paul and I will guess what you answer and we'll decide we don't house or no house the other weird well I guess you could just fill it up with some other 2017 predictions I predict 26 god bless you David jeez Oh painful it did hurt a lot why did oh why do sneezes hurt me no I don't know I'm messed up oh I'm totally messed up all right first question do you get all of your video consumption exclusively from the internet and this is instead of showing your question I'm just gonna keep doing it just keep cycling through into bold lower thirds if you haven't used it along that won't confuse anyone joining the street whoa videos that are good yeah pip-boy house a classic all right you should bring that one back I don't know why that segment never took off we have guests the audience let's do all right guess the audience is the closest we have to ask the audience so anyway okay I think so thank you very much cell for posting that link in chat so the question was do you get all of your video consumption exclusively from the internet meaning do you rely do you have cable on the cable cutter do you rely on cable TV still to watch your show there's a movie the stuff like that or are you relying 100% on the internet for this and I phrase it this way kind of seemingly complicated because some of you might be living with your parents or other people who have a cable subscription that you don't use at all it's just for them it might just be your parents you watch cable but you don't watch any of it so that's why it's worded kind of weirdly so yeah well you guys answer that as honestly as you can Paul and I are gonna go ahead and deliver the second question to give you guys some some time to answer that one before we argue the first one which is the second question what would be weirder weirder you put this one up on screen that does it that's just an empty straw poll oh shit what did you do why didn't it work oh no all right okay you you argue all right you you answer your first thing go go to the first question what's your favorite color No hey this one I don't know why that link didn't work I don't I don't either just make your argument for the first question really quick it's look at the third question okay fine third question is what is your favorite color we have black even though black is really just the absence of color weight even though white actually contains all wavelengths or lots of other colors I like that you have a teal in there specifically this seems like a popular off-color no what do you do that why are you doing that what are the answers even gonna look like that why not I like poop poop bad boop boop the indifference of poop these are the heavy hitters these are the heavy hitters that we have to ask folks all right I wouldn't vote on that one it's very important that we get that answered okay okay sorry that's a little tension the first question is serious shit are you sure we yet should we give them the second question that is now ready it's really not about ready now yes okay okay so the question here is what would be weirder a clean-shaven Kyle or a soul patch Les Paul ah I feel like this is questions we need to need to answer okay that's good this is a good question to ask you can tell I had plenty of time to prepare for the show and it was super on top of things all right so while you guys are answering all that let's let's answer the let's guess on the first question important we get your feedback on this stuff guys I know don't shirk this opportunity don't jerk it to have an influence on the future of all humanity what Paul said trying to be positive trying to be a light in this world positive influence all right okay so do you all right so all right what percentage of people do you think only consume video from the internet Paul what percentage this is yes or no okay and for our audience I'm gonna say 58% yes 58 yeah da % get all of their video exclusively from the internet 58% okay I'm gonna say you're wrong I think you're too low our audience is very care what you think they're very they're very new age they're they're up and current right they're irrelevant okay so 59% I was gonna say being strategic really going off on a limb no I think that would be a little cheap because I've done that in the past and I'll probably do it again today but I think for this one I'm gonna go with I donno if 69 percent just seems right 69 percent for no reason in particular I chose 58 percent Cal chose 69 percent which means that if it is sixty four point five no six I can't math right now what is it 69-58 what's five point five know what 69 plus and be sixty if it's 63 if it's sixty three point five percent that we tie 60 what three point five 63.5% would be a tie okay and the results it's all I got oh wow whoa I was way closer than you well above Cal you win holy moly almost to 3/4 3/4 I know I know you've got the sixty three point five on one point I did but you don't know your basic fractions so almost eight fifths of you guys get all of your video consumption exclusively from the internet that isn't good to know lots of cord cutters out there yeah I'm impressed damn screw that screw the screw big cable right who who wants to pay for your cable you just you're just putting money in ajit PI's pockets exactly he's to be not directly but in some roundabout way okay next question what would be weirder clean-shaven Kyle or soul patch soul patch Les Paul I don't think I don't think I've ever seen you without a soul patch in person you've had one ever since I've met you and it's never gone away ever since I've met you since the day I met you in 2011 and I met you without having any of this for the first couple years I was clean-shaven but then at some point maybe in 2013 or something I just started growing it out and I don't think I've I think there might be once or twice since then that I've actually shaded it all off I know for a fact that for the YouTuber impersonations or the youtuber impressions video I did shave it all I think to do your your yours and like you know Austin's impersonation and a couple other people but since then I really haven't really I'm touched it so either way it's gonna be weird whatever either either of these is gonna be a weird option but which one did you guys think would be weirder and again I guess we'll go with another percentage here so I'll just go with my percentage being you know I think I have a feeling they're gonna find your your lack of a soul patch weirder for some reason because it's just so like it's like mine's just normal it's everyday but I feel like your soul patch is more like iconic like like if I was doing charades no not charades if I was playing pictionary and the word that I had to draw for my team was Paul I would literally just draw a soul patch and they'd probably guess Paul I just draw like three lines and they'd be like Paul because that's how that's how married you are to that image so I'm gonna say I'm gonna say 69% once again since it didn't fail me the last time 69% to people prefer a clean shape would think that a soul patches Paul would be the weirder of the two okay what say you Oh 68% I mean just I'm just trying to play the odds I don't have it I don't have some crazy explanation like you I'm just you're right you know because you're you're wrong Matt let's see what people say you know you know I'm gonna dominate you right now I actually you what you would look way weirder without your beard er hey then I've met my match I win with you and your soul patch everyone were one to one yep okay all right fair enough well now I know that this has some value you know now I can like dangle it like a carrot over your heads hey guys give me all your money if you want to see me clean-shaven I'll figure out some way to exploit that a lot of people are interested all right what's your favorite cuddly uh usually it's blue no yellow but I'm gonna choose shoes blue just cuz that's blue okay all right yeah we'll just go based off of screen colors we have to do percentages I'm gonna do you I'm gonna eliminate some other stupid color I think that's it's not fair for either of us to pick so I'm gonna go with the gold black black yeah I see a lot of people wearing black see a lot of people think we I saw a lot of black shirts I have all my shirts true I said black the most popular shirt color even though I mostly only sell black shirts maybe that skews the results a bit but I'm struggling with lab using real world's information here yeah because I'm a scientist all right results blue oh well done well played Paul looks like I win asked the audience with the score of two to one you know you depends the Kyle I have to drink has to drink one more one final bonus question why poop I like poop poop bed or poop okay I like poop okay I'm gonna go poop okay okay okay all right OOP okay damn it ha ha God you are so good with your poop ha all you say did you know our audience so well ok just make sense eh I guess you're right why would you poop every day okay yeah yeah it's not bad but it couldn't be bad which is why it's okay I'm like sometimes you shouldn't they shouldn't like poop that's kind of weird yeah like I like to poop and sometimes it can be very satisfying although sometimes it's not so I guess you're right you know I kind of agree with the poop okay team I agree - yeah I didn't think about my I should have I should have treated this like the serious question it is I think that's that's what this boils down to it I just wrote it off as some stupid 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Todd is the gamer $9.99 Billy my first PC what are your thoughts on a MSI Z 370 m5 16 gigs of DDR for an attendee 1080i Z 370 m5 16 gigs in the 1080i sounds like a reasonable combination if you're getting a Z through 70 motherboard I would assume you're getting like an 80 600 K or 80 700 K to go along with it that's a good combo yeah it'll last you many years yep ray are we each solution revolution revolution 5 euros hey guys we hope to meet you next year at CES and at Computex it'd be great to hang out with you in Taipei or small colleagues from Italy that's cool like small as in your your stature are you physically small I mean we're done be my Curie I'm pretty small so I I'd probably could fit in Kyle's only about five six yeah five six and a half I have six and a half I have to I have to give you it may be pushing five seven I have to give the point five just cuz so just make sure you get our attention otherwise if you might not see you that's true depending how small you actually are sit on each other's shoulders that usually helps but that'd be cool to say yes we're gonna be at CES we will Wow to say that like that's coming up we're still in the long like it's a PR there's a longer gap between computation and CES than there is between CES and competence yeah yeah it's okay still got many months crazy Jarrod Gibson $4.99 what is the smallest ITX case that can fit a two eighty millimeter GPU GPU 280 millimeter GPU I was expecting a oh um is that geez I heard that's I don't I wouldn't know the answer to that off the top of my head I don't know either how many inches is that and so she said there's a lot of cases mini ATX cases that can fit pretty substantially sized GPUs when it comes to length it's 11 inches 11 inches so on the longer side but not the longest that's what she said I would think a lot of them can yeah um fit ten and a half at least ten and a half inch I think is excuse me a little bit more standard size right cuz I think that's what you're in video founders Edition card lengths are you might want to check like the the end case m1 that's a really compact case that has full full-length graphics card support with fractal so it's the model for the tall tall skinny fractal one oh no - OH - yeah no - a - no - - I don't know if it goes up to that length but I know that the the the GPU chamber in there is pretty substantial right so this it's a kind of a specific question so it's hard it's hard to immediately know you can also check out the the silverstone s g05 oh yeah which is kind of a cubish type of case but it supports an SFX power supply which definitely whittles down the size that can support some pretty lengthy graphics cards veto subject you said the Coolermaster elite 130 very similar to rescue zero final very similar except I think that one has a full ATX power supply is slightly bigger yeah but that's a good option too okay all right there's some food for thought thank you for the question Jason Christophe $9.99 happy birthday sell again Kyle pin my PC do you guys like black and blue Guinness and blue moon yes what's black and blue Guinness I like blue moon I've not had black and blue Guinness I'm not sure I'm not a huge blue blue moon fan Guinness is okay I will drink Guinness and be happy with it blue moon not so much it's too we T not Hugh Shannon of the we D beers anything that goes well in orange just picky sober squid okay 500 yen hey you've got a Japanese local perhaps I'm sure you exchanged your Japanese yen during your last visits of Japan I hope this is enough to go buy some Asahi zero or Kirin all free lol yes are those alcohol-free versions of Asahi and Kieran that's what it sounds like yeah it does sound that way set is that a thing I yeah it definitely is Japan was very big on there alcohol-free beer I saw a lot of lands I saw a lot of beer that just said like well cuz I bought a lot of beer in Japan and like every convenience dry wedding - there was like at least one or two brands of beer that just said no alcohol but it was like right there with all the other beer and said yeah I'm sure some of it was from Asahi instead I've never I didn't I didn't drink anything because it just seemed like less less fun seemed worth my money but now that we have 500 yen hell yeah and don't give it a shot there you go thank you super squid Andrews rare it also explains why he's a sober squid that's true alright I'm sorry five Canadian dollars from Andrew thank you Andrew two beers for sell or a six-pack just enjoy them beers and Cheers here's Jesus cheers to you Andrew you nice and kind canadian muchly for your donation Femi ciao ciao but the $5 i never win the giveaway but I entered yours Paul oh thank you congratulation man also beginning to save for the air TX next year I really hope you two get invited actually Phoebe we were invited this year we were but we just had so much going on you know we don't we you don't even want to go to that we were like that we think it's gonna be stupid yes dumb - stupid he sucks I think they're dumb okay - platformer anything no I just did it we were invited this year it didn't work out to go but yeah it sounded like Jay had a great time and it's definitely something we would be interested in in joining in the future so you from gamers Nexus went there is that oh yeah Steve gave you sex sounds like he had a good time to you so maybe we'll go next year yeah and maybe I'll play something in the case toss or something like that Mark Anderson 5 Australia's Cheers sell happy birthday a lot of love for the cell thanks mark whoo wait you passed grandmother Graham Ninh 20 bucks have you heard they sell once again still get a lot of attention today on his birthday which was yesterday drinking a delicious drink out of my shiny new thumbscrew pub glass while I'm watching whoo glorious also looking to build my first system sometime soon using what I've learned from watching you guys oh well then God help you best of luck to you grandma if you're using us as a primary source make sure you you know keep a drink handy forget first time around make sure you just don't take things too seriously make sure your hands are too wet while you're building your first PC thank you very much Jim it's appreciated Michael Sechrist see Christ geez I keep thinking Seacrest like Brian sees Mike Seacrest no Michael Seacrest $10 have you had anything from great links brewing platform or Market Garden Cleveland Ohio or hopping frog Akron Ohio I'm sure I've had at least one or two beers from one or two of those breweries that you've mentioned but I can't quite pinpoint it so hopping frog sounds familiar for some reason Great Lakes Brewing sounds familiar to me yeah I'm sure I have I've had a lot of different beers but I can't really place any of them right now so if your intention was to send us any of that then we will definitely drink it and we'll try it yep thank you Mike I think Graham Ninh once again $10 also what is the decent monitor around 27 inches that has pretty good specs and performance and doesn't break the bank I would get a 2560 by 1440 display at 27 inches I think that's the perfect resolution for that screen size I would also look into either freesync or g-sync if you have depending on if they're heading on the graphics card g-sync if you can afford it because that's going to be significantly more expensive usually than a free sync panel look for look for high refresh rate if you have a graphics card that is capable of delivering higher refresh rates in games in most games that you play and it's really hard to say without knowing your budget these monitors can range anywhere from 100 or so bucks all the way up to the thousands yeah it's really tough but a good 27-inch 1440p monitor I think you can get a pretty good with like for like under 300 the RG Swift is a good option the AOC s are good too on the Acer make some really good ones yeah alright some BenQ yeah again a lot of information but good luck $5.00 from Franklin Robbins heavy birthday cell based on a comment from the last half you guys should start a new segment homebrew review try and review homebrew from viewers oh that's kind of cool it's kind of like a like an extension of mail time a little bit yeah we need to get a few home brews and to be able to compare them to each other or something without poison hopefully with no poison in any of them as well I would really add to the segment I think that's a feature Zeon nuke once again $5 I'm from Trinidad thank you for clarifying no offense taken that's usually the general response we get we have fiber optic internet here Kyle this is the 21st century oh well well you showed me I've got fiber mr. Zeon you got fiber - I'm still on that crappy non fiber copper yeah copper which is still really fast we have fast speeds mb6 is evident on ticular 35 bucks $35 some bday money for you sell Kyle since you guilt shamed me I hope that you had a good time at Comic Con as well that's right guilt shaming is always effective that's why I do it it to everyone I see I tried to attend the Meetup but I needed a comic-con badge and those sold out immediately yes they did yes I kind of fell on our laps this year for the first time in ever so that's why we jumped on them because we're we know how hard they are to get so sorry we missed EMB but I'm sure there'll be another opportunity there always is maybe maybe twitchcon will be in San Diego again or I don't know probably will we'll see next time we should do a meet-up outside of the con maybe that'd be cool to be reasonable do all meetups data q10 Australia's happy birthday cell have 10 bucks from Australia PS Lyle for president that would be a terrible idea buyout for president but there have been worse options AJ Auditore wanted bucks hey Kyle and Paul been watching your guys work for a couple months now and love every beta Thank You AJ will there be any ITX bills coming up been trying to find a nice small 4k build thanks a lot keep being awesome I don't have any planned well I do but it's it's gonna have to wait until the case I ordered a Dan case a four ov3 so the newest one that should be shipping starting tomorrow actually nice so I'll be doing a building that probably gonna be rising second Chen and maybe two gtx 1180 if those are out by the time I get around in that project be Bergin sweet I have nothing planned as specifically as Kyle but I'm sure I'll do another mini ITX build at some point in the future but I'll try to let you know when that's coming Thank You AJ thanks man dude $20.00 thanks for the Tesla segment to have a job interview there tomorrow and now I'm worried about job longevity oh no sorry Tim oh and happy birthday sell and double if this went through twice since the first one froze Tim it doesn't look like that's the case so your 20 bucks your other 20 bucks are safe yeah thanks for your $20 darn it and thank you for your donation oh yes best of luck with the Tesla job interview I think we should cut off donations so they realize they're still a page and a half there is guys stop donating all right I mean we love selling but we're gonna end the show too so no more donations please yeah we're gonna try to get through the rest of your generosity is inconveniencing us I know like open 10 dollars my PC is a CPU resin 1,300 X with an MSI xc70 King X 370 gaming m7 32 gigs in ddr4 msi 10 780ti 8 gigabyte to sli running with a 960 Evo m2 SSD no vsync will upgrade my CPU to get me a hundred an FPS and away from 60fps absolutely your CPU is holding you back ya figure ation big time upgrade what a weird I'm afraid upgrade that CPU what a weird config because he's also he he has an ex 370 board that's fairly high end and m7 that's it's strange that he would have gotten that combination of hardware to get started but you know you've got a really nice platform apart from the CPU and there's plenty of CPU upgrades so you're not in a bad situation just look at 2700 X's 1700s 1700 X 1818 800 X like any of the any of the core options rise in first gen arise in second Jen an upgrade to that yeah whichever one you can get cheap I agree cool Tobin $10 again my PC is a CPU res oh wait no that's the same oh he duplicated it okay Kerry Kerry Petersen $5 Billy my first water-cooled loop soon can you mount a res on its side build will be in a Corsair 280x thoughts happy birthday sell sweet cut Kyle I'm thinking means my haircut thank you very much you can match a res on its side yeah I'm your matching reservoir is the main thing you want to consider is how you might bleed it in the future which can sometimes be inconvenient depending on how difficult it is to lift and rotate your case true beyond that the main thing you want to be made making sure of is that your reservoir is above your pump because pumps typically are not ever supposed to run dry reservoir needs to be physically above the pumps so you can fill the reservoir and it will fill the pump and then you can turn the pump on and cycle loop liquid through the loop without without the pump the reservoir emptying and your pump running dry cold that's the main things thing you need to consider okay Aaron Baker $5 I built me and over-the-air antenna for the roof connector connect it to Plex so I could still watch CBS and not to pay for it and drop cable nice that works I need to update my Plex past subscription my rant never messed with Plex yeah I'm a man I'm pretty happy with my media setup right now but Duncan Morris 5 Australia's you asked earlier why someone called you floppy Kyle you literally have a floppy disk on the t-shirt you're wearing no there you go that is very true and if you guys couldn't tell it says I was the shit underneath it funny it's a good shirt it's good shirt I enjoy it available on enjoy wearing it but no it's not make sure uh incorrect false information Aaron no Duncan no fee DK beefy Dyke no well beef will be p DK yeah you're right sorry $20 my new PC I 979 ATX e RG rampage 6 extreme Corsair RGB pro 64 gig kit of RAM 780ti SLI by - it's welcome to a court of Corsair Paris apply the Corsair 1000d case samsung m2 if I'm at a gig Samsung Evo pearl one terabyte WD black x2 coarser ll1 2021 Corsa coarser ll1 20s I don't know what a comp roast x3 is Thermaltake temp sensor by two little beefy DK that either sounds like a like extreme users wishlist or if you're actually building that computer you have room for an entire other computer in there in the 1000 days Oh what are you doing with the Mini ITX build what I would ask you know let that space go to waste can you can you remove that is there's zero there's zero points in getting the Corsair 1000d unless you're planning and using both putting two systems in it other than that there's so many more practical cases that are smaller can you put more radios in place of that mini ITX area no that's really okay like it's where where it is it's like there's no there's nothing else that would go there right because that's you can you can it's modular for the elite for the fantex up to elite you can remove the mini ITX mounting so and put in radiators and fans and shit like that if you wanted to so I was just wondering if the 1000d was similar or if it's no I mean the the the mount for that lower system is part of the shroud right for the main power supply right so yeah I mean there's nothing vineya you would want to know other practical use of that space other than putting a computer there sure and there's no reasonable reason to buy that case unless you're planning on putting two systems in it because it's so large and cumbersome and write heavy and everything but they'll be vdk if that's really what you're buying and what you're putting in there then I wish you the best of luck with your build and that's gonna be pretty epic word alone $5 for Halloween this year polish dress up as Fred Durst from Limp Bizkit know that and baggy pants the lure through that Oh would you do it would you do it Oh would you do it would you be friends for Halloween oh my god you could totally do it no because Fred Durst is like he's got the soul patch though he's a white dude with a soul patch and the last time just for a backwards hat Durst was relevance that exactly and I've never worn a backwards hat and got any extended period of time and especially not a MLB one dude that it would be hilarious because that was like also your your child not your childhood but our generation was limp Biskit and should know when they were right take offense to the fact that you were identifying any ones like generation with Limp Bizkit I'm just saying they were more relevant then than they are now no limp Biskit was like a mediocre like like ban I'm not like I'm not saying they were a success of other people's songs I'm not saying they were any really never extremely a mesh and like sort of filling a void at the time they were niche but everyone knew who they were it was vapid and horrible and like Tooley two years later they were a joke and you just happened to look exactly like their lead singer but without a hat he looks like me okay I can't help that Oh does he does he know when were you born what year he's 47 he was born old you look like Fred dersu he's almost 5000 asshole stupid you copied Fred Durst look at how old he looks he looks like dust he looks like that's you and Ted is a soul patch anymore it's got a full beard I know you would be you would be relevant Fred Durst you'd be oh gee semi relevant Fred Durst and then when people ask you hey Paul what are you for Halloween you could say irrelevant see you could you could you could dress as Fred Durst ironically in honor of you hating him and advertise how much of a loser he is it's like a hate costume if I dressed up like Fred Durst and went to like a Halloween party like 90% of the people wouldn't know who I was because the people there would be younger why would you be at that party in the first place then because like a bunch of college kids and you older you don't go to Halloween parties anymore so I'm assuming you'd have to go a younger crowd but that would meet out that would weed out all the shitty young Millennials and just like you know some like people your age five dollars well spent wishbone yang Minh Choi hey yang my old high school pal $25 says computer oh yeah he's a friend of yours yes yes he's doing it on the show before yeah thank you Game one we appreciate your computer donation I hope I hope that was intentional and you didn't like accidentally have a heart attack to fall on your keyboard and type the word the letter O ten times because that happens but then but then his face his face would have had to like also roll on the perfect parts of his keyboard to finish the word computer it'd be like the most graceful accident to ever come from a heart attack I don't know what I'm talking about right now I don't either thank you young moon I'm very very very grateful Jonathan s Jonathan s do you think the third gen rising compared to the 1600 X will have significantly higher clock speeds it's really too early to say John yeah we we have not even caught wind of a third gen rising from we don't know yields of resources performance is gonna be like we know what frequencies are gonna be like I hope I would say mean that'd be nice it's probably gonna have higher clock speeds than second gen rise and I would assume definitely none over the 1600 X not only are we in a core warm where Intel and AMD are trying to fight for who has the most cores but it's also a bit of a clock speed war and I feel like AMD that's one area that they probably look at and go yeah Intel's kind of crushing us in that department so I feel like with every passing generation they're trying to up the maximum clock speed that their chips are capable of in order to stay competitive in that realm with Intel so I would assume I don't know anything but I would assume that you'll see higher clock speeds on the newer generation resin chips then you are now assumption reasonable assumption assumption Guido Sarducci $5 doesn't ruin my build and I am definitely getting rid of my master casemaker Pro six no filters Oh suggestions full ATX Taichi x3 70 really the myth the master cheesemaker pro six doesn't have filters that's the same in case we built for a cell is it I thought it had dust filter why wouldn't it have dust filters I don't know yeah this is the same one we built it sells computer in that's so bizarre I thought I did it's been a while so yeah that's what I was thinking I see filters whatever I did it so I don't know man I think I think Jonathan you need to earn oh sorry Guido maybe you got ripped bro did you buy our case used cuz it should have dust filters at least at the front the intake interesting he said they screwed me then in chat yeah if you bought it from some in that case not just you'll hold out for the end to end to fantex in 2x evolve X they evolved X that's the coolest case that case and would be a worthy upgrade the case is the bee's knees Jason Christophe $19.99 donation happy birthday so black and blues are on bottom and Guinness on top that makes sense we're nitrogen as you drink it they mix black and black and tan but yeah I don't know why I didn't get that when you first I'm sorry epic sense I feel dumb thank you Jason finally English watch why true true until I says okay stopping check this is your is your friend again right Dan yes I don't know well because we told I think he donated that when we said no more donations no we're cutting it off okay Thank You yang moon thank you for the record we're doing a special donation thing today where all the 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