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Awesome Hardware #0159-A: CaseLabs GONE FOREVER, RTX 280 Reference Cooler RUMORS

2018-08-14
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guess maybe they could be racist but I don't think they are people are just easily offended all right let's move on to our first segment here which is the rumor mill because we have a few allegations these are quite leaks all but I guess you could say they're leakage there's no there's no mill in the rumor mill here no no no I commit that at your place in there yeah why is there a globe or like part of the earth like bunch of lights because probably there is a mill somewhere in that part of the earth all right I'll take it there's got to be a mill some variety in that shot if you were to zoom it you have to zoom in it hints okay okay sound logic is usual Paul thank you all a minute all right so let's let's talk about the first rumor of today which is about Intel's ninth Jenny apparently allegedly launching October 1st I thought we were guaranteed at launching in August but I guess that wasn't the guarantee because I was also a rumor so apparently it's been pushed a rumor a whole month or so to October 1st this is from WCC of tech the the sources are saying that it's gonna launch on the 1st of October it's gonna include three unlock SKUs on the day of launch so that's exciting there's gonna be the core I 999 hundred K which is an 8 core 16 thread chip that's going to be the flagship of the family the i7 9700 K which will be the successor to the 8700 K now but it'll have two more cores at 8 cores and eight threads again these are all rumors so grain of salt here but previous rumors were indicating that the 9700 K would have six cores and twelve threads very much like the like the 8700 K but now WCC F Tech's new sources are claiming an eight core eight thread count so you'll get more cores but fewer threads because you will not have hyper threading what are you doing with your one hand beneath the desk Paul it's very suspicious on stream to all of our viewers kind of concerned myself raising rates it's except it's an exciting story I mean is there another warning we should add too adult language warning at the beginning of our show I told people we wouldn't strip down and like it wasn't a dirty show now you're kind of kind of making me look like a fool what happens under the table stays into the table that looks freaking hope so for the love of all children there and God okay and then there's the I 5 9600 K keep going I'm almost finished okay that's good I want to say I hope so but then again I'm like no don't finish I'm not shaking your hand for the rest of the day the 9600 K will be successful to the i-580 600 k will feature six cores and six threads also not hyper threaded some rumors about the 9900 k the flagship chip eight core 16 thread part that a lot of us are really excited about it will feature allegedly 16 megabytes of l3 cache a base clock of 3.6 gigahertz a single and dual-core boost to 5 gigahertz that's pretty impressive a 4 core boost to 4.8 gigahertz and a 6 or 8 core boost to 4.7 gigahertz officially making it the highest all core boost clock in mainstream Intel history is Intel gonna write is in tuggin list those actual boost clocks individually for us and promised them and are they going to list tvp's for all those levels have to be what I'm curious about that is a damn good question as far as we know we don't know but we do have some sort of rumor oh that's also speculating a 95 watt TDP just overall but again that could that will definitely change based on the type of boost that we're getting in the 9700 k once again eight course eight core eight thread part will have 12 megabytes of l3 cache presumably and a base clock of 3.6 gigahertz a one single or dual core boost to 4.9 for core boost to 4.7 and the six are all core boost to 4.6 gigahertz will again a 95 watt TDP all three of these unlocks cues that will allegedly launch on October 1st will all carry a 95 watt TDP including the i5 9600 K again six core six threads which will hr9 megabytes of l3 cache a base clock of 3.7 gigahertz a single core boost of 4.6 gigahertz a dual-core boost a 4.5 gigahertz it's the only SKU in this list that has two separate boost clocks for single and dual-core speeds 4.4 gigahertz boost on the four core turbo and a 4.3 gigahertz boost on all six of its course so it's like it's I have to wonder in actual benchmarks how much the their their decision not to go with hyper-threading will affect performance between these two and it's also it's it's weird to see an i9 on the main stream like they just brought that to the high end you like the Skydeck stuff and it's also weird to see the i5 and i7 there the i7 in particular without hyper threading that is weird that's been I feel like it's been a standard food for them for quite some time I feel like the i7 should still have hyper threading and the i9 should just have more cores and threads with hyper-threading I could have seen them doing the i9 9900 K as the 8 core 16 thread and then the 9700 K is a 6-quart thread yeah and then exactly 9600 K is 646 thread but I mean but instead it just seems like they're now making the i9 just like the i7 was yeah you know what I mean and now the i7 seems more like an i5 in the sense where it's not getting hyper threading support I'm looking for them to get up into the I double digits like the I 11 well I'm like a I 17 like the i-17 I'm not really gonna be something to look forward to until an AMD releases their something I had my end there my 18 you know and then it gets really confusing like it like it should they should overlap all that code names like everything should just be completely confusing and difficult to figure out which which company and brand you're actually purchasing from AMD why like the way ndy like core i9 yep totally many ideas so I don't know you guys let us know what you think about these rumors October 1st it's right around the corner maybe a little bit further back than we thought and if you guys are wondering about when 10 nanometers popping up that's presumably been pushed to 2019 q4 24 2019 what a lot of people are saying well initially it was gonna happen years ago and then it just kept getting pushed back it's getting pushed back further so we're still on the 14 nanometer plus plus this time it'll be 40 nanometer + + architecture because Intel slow moving on though we have another article about Enzo yay a lot of rumors around team blue today about its ex 599 chipset with its 28 core processors meaning the high-end desktop platform that it teased at what was that the show was a sick no no that's context copy dad Computex there overclocking their overclocked demo that they didn't mention was overclocked was teasing their next generation high-end desktop platform we now have this is another board these yep that's the mobo we now have speculation from HD tecnológica calm which is a Spanish Website I want to say and basically they're saying we have sources that are saying this is gonna be the ex $5.99 platform is what the official name will be apparently we don't have they didn't really go to details on how they got that like they didn't really say like these are our sources or we had a source or we just found this out organically or what so there's very little to go on here so again getting assaults a Spanish site so they would say no I keys cincuenta porfavor the wave a new wave I don't know how to say 500 in Spanish oh and senior cincuenta no new sink Lipton live in know every nowhere in the wave then we're venting wavey uno dos tres cuatro Cinco seis siete Nueve yes maybe until you don't say cincuenta noventa e venting wavy this is see to choose get us thank you to chill event in the way of event anyway which I think I think it's what I said it's in Quentin event in New Haven a kiss cincuenta no veteran waiver no noventa event you see a kiss acquaintance know that how do people speak Spanish no no do they do it it's to the great very a very versatile tug that thing yeah a smart brain gotta learn to roll the arse and stuff all right all right so uh listen this is song you get off tangent gracias is what we're trying to say yeah yeah so this new platform will also allegedly use the LGA three six four seven socket which is the first socket in a while that has left the 2000 series so there's more than there's there's way more than two thousand pins now yeah on this this new socket again if this is all true a lot of a lot more gold contacts that's that's good that means more performance hopefully LJ that's a really just random number like 20th 2011 2066 those are very easy numbers to remember LGA 3647 it's just like they just picked a number out of a hat well that had a it can't walk on their keyboard number pad that's exactly that's an existing socket for the for Xeon processors oh you're right yeah okay then this is probably all too familiar for I mean that that's let's say when they made the socket for Xeon processors they pick the that out of a hat that's true Italy there was some reason when it comes to the like technical technical engineering of this processor where they were like we need exactly that many contacts 33,000 647 but cool I mean I I this is this is like my reaction to the 28 core thing when Intel did it at copy text and everything gets they deserves some scrutiny for the way they did it and some sort of that stuff that they didn't mention about the demo and everything right and certainly right now you know as of yesterday AMD a shipping a 32 core processor and where's the 28 cores that Intel was demoing and Computex you know where to be time a Andy announced the 32 core at Computex when they announced I confirmed it yeah it's available for sale now yep Intel announced this 28 core nowhere to be found it it's not available for sale that I would say that is sort of a AMD would kind of win on that one yeah but that said I would be excited for Intel to be like alright the high-end desktop space is a space you want to compete in you know the enthusiasts stuff like it's it's it's it's always like went back when Intel first launched like X 58 in that platform like I was already on the lower platform and as it was just this sort of achievement for me to get up to when I write and my first like i7 920 and and everything so yeah so upgrading it to something especially like like the like I feel like the physical just just the physicality of the socket with when you look at threader bird and it's bigger and it's a slightly more complex procedure generally isn't just sort of that next step up to the in the in the enthusiasts face that I enjoyed a lot there were loves I appreciated about it and I've been very positive about three or four so yeah Intel coming in me like alright this server socket we're gonna now make a consumer version of um you know that there's some do he said about that that said and I covered this a little bit in my Computex videos when I interviewed Noctua and Jacob was talking about and he was like the installation procedure for this socket is not easy it's not simple or threaded four or four notes are it for this Eon socket it's made it's made for like system integrators to be able to install and in like a like a production line to some extent mm-hmm but there's also like when it comes to translating that to a consumer experience there's a lot of potential possibility for damage when you're doing an installation right so I would be curious to see what you know if they're gonna actually change the mounting method maybe that'd be interesting to see but and I think I think what I'm curious to see also is if Intel with this newer with this next generation of their high-end desktop platform if they're gonna try to compete with the Ripper on just the performance scale or if they're actually gonna compete on a pricing scale too because I feel like that's where Intel really falls behind right now at least for my federber to review I found that like the 79 60 X was outperforming the 2950 X in most of the tasks but it was $500 and more expensive so like five hundred and fifty by that I mean it was like fort it's like 1450 I think yeah right by that yeah exactly at least for the time that I was looking at prices and stuff so one of those things were I don't know if Intel has like where they stand when it comes to pricing if they're gonna be like oh yeah we should definitely is he removing the camera he's oh he's very close and he's licking his paws right now so he the cameras movie it's his heroes his back muscles might be doing it like I can't really tell it simply wiggling the cable woman oh my god sorry guys this is Hiro he's if he actually starts pushing it seriously they're gonna do something about it it's it's sandbag dam nothing I'm not too concerned about it I know yeah it's good thing to have a sandbag on that thing good a sandbag on here oh you thought the framing wasn't quite right so you okay DP here oh yeah so yeah I would like to see the the price competition start to get really competitive I guess you know Intel they might be like we're in tow we're not gonna stoop to AMD's level and sell our amazing chips for their prices like people will just buy our chips even if they're way more expensive because we're in tow and we're a household brand didn't all that shit so I don't know if you look at sales we looked at these a little bit last week if you look at sales of the current generation products since since I launched it towards the in the last year it's been doing well yeah like they've been doing well I have you know I've done some builds with with the Intel stuff recently but like I usually swing towards AMD just because I'm like look you can get a six core 12 thread processor for a hundred and yeah 50 bucks right you can get an eight core for sometimes as low as 200 maybe maybe a little bit more than that like yeah that's there's so much power there if you're talking about doing anything to sense you're strictly gaming so that's kind of where I lean right now but um you know Intel has a reputation yeah and they have been on top for quite some times that carries over and you know not everyone watches our show or keeps up with the with the right ongoing progress of technology and what's good and viable so so yeah yeah I don't see them like drastically cutting their prices or anything like that but I mean competition is still competition and having options one way or the other I think is good so yeah and I mean if you look at core counts they have lowered their prices to some degree I mean if you look at what sure they were charging for a ten core two years ago yeah and what they're charging for a tank or now it's come down quite a bit so yeah all right moving on though to our next article from tech power up this is about the alleged r-tx 2080 the next-generation GPU from Nvidia successor to the GTX 1080 this article is well first off we're gonna talk about talk more about this on Paul's house yep but this is just a quick little article about just sort of speculating on what the new reference cooler on the r-tx 20 in the picture would look like and it looks just like the MSI cards it's like they collaborated with MSI for the reference the upside and and sad to say they're still going with red you know that they they will not be swayed nope just no foxhaven even even doing an Nvidia alright now this we're relying I hope you guys are guys are joking it was a joke that's just a road I don't know why the picture there anyway it's just kind of weird it's a graphics card with two fans yeah sure yeah and that's and I think that's what we're getting at here is that there's some speculation that the r-tx 20/80 may have made it the single blower style fan that we've grown to see and I would say love but that would not be accurate on a lot of these reference cards and it would ditch that for a dual fan design very very much akin to an ad board partner card so the reasons for that is that after we had some leaked pictures of just a raw PCB of what could potentially be the r-tx 2080 people were looking at it trying to dissect it and stuff people who like can just look at a PCB and like know a thousand things about the card already I definitely can't build to be a great example people like that we're saying you know this looks like a relatively more power-hungry card or definitely a less power efficient card than the GTX 1080 was with it's you know very very nice 180 watt TDP and a single eight pin power connector that's not what they're getting these impressions for by looking at these pictures of this piece be this PCB shows a six plus eight pin configuration with the ten plus two phase setup and up to 10 V GPU and 2 V men phases which you know I don't even know what the phases would be on the GTX 1080 off the top of my head but I would assume fewer and Eddie's awesome playing every time and I want to play this every time you talk about phases where they talking about CPU power delivery or GPU power delivery of phase the phase and one implementation is not the same as a phase another implementation the components can have different amperage ratings different power delivery ratings so you can have you know I don't know any values off the top of my head but you can have it you can have an eight phase-- configuration that can provide just as much power as a sixteen Faceman thing right it's not the end-all spec the third how powerful a thing is positives and negatives stay the way it says right adding to this theory of the board being unusually hot potentially bench life info Chas a Chinese website mentions up the cards reference design cooling again would potentially have a dual fan design over more conventional aluminum fin stack so that would be kind of weird because I feel like the founders of dishin card if it did have a similar design like wouldn't that compete slightly with adding board partner cards if the cooling was was better if the card was less noisy from not having a single blower fan all like a lot of the things that people buy ad board partner cards for would already be implemented into the reference design and I'm sure like NVIDIA sold a shit ton of founders Edition cards once they announced like the founders additional card because they didn't really ever sell their reference coolers or the reference cards beforehand before the founders edition or at least they were harder to get or they would only be sold through their website usually you would have third party manufacturers who would acquire any of their brand oh yeah they would either just put stickers on it or they would be at the actual you know sub manufacturer of the reference designs themselves right so you could potentially get it that way but the founders edition was first time they were like we're gonna charge more money for the founders Edition and then yeah that didn't last too long yeah but like so so the blower's style design and like the single fan with the exhausting on the heat at the back of the card design to me has always been sort of like a a design geared towards mass production and mass implementation across a huge number of system integrators yeah like business build systems that are designed to sort of have a certain level of airflow and everything and writing them like tolerances and all that kind of stuff so like at least and they did they did a lot of pitches of that especially with like smaller form factor systems with the original founders edition design and just saying like you know you have this here and then I can get its own intake of airflow and it doesn't affect the other mm-hmm you know components in the system with the here but so you know there's value to that design right you know should that be the reference design because the open style coolers can cool a lot better I mean that's right that that's able to be proven pretty objectively yeah so to me them deciding to go with an open dual fan cooler design just means that they want to go with the reference design that can get the most performance out of the card sure versus the most like utility slash performance right what's right with respect to the entire system yeah and I guess there are still things that could be improved upon a reference card that has like an open shroud dual fan cooler for example they could be fuck the power delivery there's also like the whole aesthetic thing I feel like aesthetics plays such a massive role in what components users buy these days that that's definitely gonna I interested to see vidya which like I hope it seems like if that's if this is true at all that they're sort of doing a complete redesign of the reference cooler yeah which I've been kind of looking forward to for quite a while because they've been using the existing sort of style of design for the cooler since the I think the GTX 690 versus was when it was first introduced the magnesium you know silver with the vapor team's laid on top that can see through the thins underneath and then and the blower style yeah the 690 the the fan was in the middle and it rejected both ways right and then maybe I think was the 700 series that where they move the blower to the end and then the air yeah yeah so yeah that'd be cool I'd be interested to see what they would come up with since they have to create a design that's you know universal enough that it can be put in a lot of places IIb I'm also kind of curious to see if they're still gonna put a like a a green accents that is an unavoidable without modding on it because that's the biggest limitation yeah I feel like for you here's the other big question but probably the biggest question the most important question of all is will there be RGB on the reference cooler will there be RGB lighting there's RGB lighting on the stock thread upper to cooler the Wraiths Ripper so I would be totally okay if Nvidia created a relatively color neutral design for the the actual cooler itself yeah and then have an Nvidia whatever Jeep if they want to put GeForce GTX or RT X or whatever it's gonna be that lights up in green but that is also our GG that you can change the color on if you want to that right that would make sense to me and could turn off if you wanted to if you'd like I hate lights yeah light this light is bad I prefer that I live in the dark if the shadows okay so I guess again again more more on this stuff on Paul's half you're upsetting them I'm more on your mark moron you're a moron it's a good bet my busy yeah alright thank you guys for sending these in I got a really late start on their submissions so sexy Wow look at that yes I made that I made that probably my life's greatest achievement and we've completely phased Matt Philly out now we don't even mention him anymore I know but you know what shadows and out Philly that's it Billy um HT ID thank you for submitting your system featuring an ex 99s mother board in i7 5820k at 4 gigahertz for the Benz ext crack in the X 61 in push/pull an asus rog gtx 1080i Strix OC of Kingston HyperX fury 4x4 gig kit 21:33 man fractal design define s hey over those Noctua fans not to us those are the LTTE brand i believe no no they're not oh I thought this orange that's more ground never mind the industrial these are way better with this industrial and the redux I think he's got both redux yes he does I think the redux are they reframe yes and they on dust really or I use this for the silver bill very clean build overall cable management is ace sir a sir no not a burping sorry oh so that's I think the hell'd you eat for lunch sorry alright so what I want to say here is that the cable management is 10 out of 10 for the most part and then you've got color coordination 5 out of 10 5 out of 10 maybe even 2 out of 10 what come on I mean there's yellow on the power supply there's white on the motherboard and there's brown on the fans silver on the fans and what looks to be maybe blue or white I guess I guess that could be white on the if you want but there's a lot of colors going on here and there are all kind of muddy colors okay so there's a lot of muddy so there's a couple quick fixes these these little corner pieces from these these not to offense they have replacements I can swap them at some more black ones yeah they might even maybe with maybe just remove your power supply sticker yet on the side here yeah remove these top ones while you're at it if you're gonna go ahead and do that you should I've been just and then and then you're fine what's no yeah no yeah just just those things I didn't say it was a complicated fix in the current stage for having a five or less I think I feel like it may be a six six point five but yes those that those are the only things that are standing up nice build it would be cool if those redux fans are white yeah spray paint them white just do everything I say everything away cuz I'm the voice of reason yes and then maybe use some cable trainers on your on your cables on your extensions maybe pins the the GPU yeah three Teddy yeah but overall very clean build thank you very much sir CID mixing we got Hector Hector Hector TX 970 EVGA for the win core i5 6600 K gigabyte z170 X caming 7 16 gigs of course check H 109 C XD that's 340 z I don't see anything wrong with it so everything it's looking yeah it's great this is gold let's get it zoom in just a touch yep just a tad here I you know get a nice man across there's something about this build I can't quite put my finger on it you know the like this this Corsair all of them liquid cooler I feel like the side piece on here could be reversed maybe I mean I guess you could like pull that off and maybe spray paint or spray painted blue to match the EVGA oh yeah yeah that would really clearly really been quite new didn't be all suck totally all set apart from that maybe another SSD down here at the bottom to match so you could have you know see the cable right there so clearly that wouldn't be an issue right there so you could but is this plugged into it that's probably cooler [Laughter] chutes and ladders I feel like I'm looking at the big games of that that games like a Rorschach test or something like what right yeah what are you actually looking what you see in this oh my gosh there's a my future to cloud you know there's a wizard he's calling my name so this is this would win an award for the worst kill management ever featured on and fit my PC yeah pause I were briefly looking at this before the show thinking like is that is that is this actually is everything actually plugged in like any of these cables just I thought it planted I thought are they actually being used being you as a troll he just like threw extra cables into the system but yeah there's seem beached like this is the SATA cable right yeah going down there right there's another SATA cable here where does it go I don't know right maybe there's another drive behind there and the fact that he like look at his 8 pin CPU it's just pretty quickly can we get some more beer yeah please do the cpu I mean I mean what why do I even know there's not even any point to point out like one particular cable issue because all the cables are just the wreck but I feel like if you cleaned up the cable management it would be perfect technically technically there's only one problem with this PC of another stout that sounds delicious technically there's only one problem with this PC but it just happens to be a really really big problem so fix that one problem and you're good anything else really though I mean any nitpick works this looks like an NZXT case based on the case fan and the I recognize those expansion slot covers and the power supply basement yeah you definitely yeah back there for King Landsman you have no excuse hurting people's eyes sandy hair watching that oh wow that cameras a little little tweaks let me fix it Oh happen in the meantime a little bit oh no this page exists someone moves or tweak a meld oh man look Imelda all right so my mei-ling we we tried to use your link but for some reason it didn't work I'm getting the same error on my system so it's gonna commit come gamble down candle nail all right what do you got you've got the horizon 2200 G oh we got an 81 here hello Raven Ridge asrock be 350 pro for 16 gigs of engines corsair ram lpx novo nest 120 millimeter CPU cooler that's new and a 256 gig micro and m2 SSD inside of the Thermaltake Versa h18 what is the liquid cooler what it says up here which is actually the brand of sleeved extensions that I've been using for a lot of build builds lately up here up here no I believe it's a Chinese brand I've been using their extensions they're really good quality really good quality but I've never used their CPU coolers I mean I didn't know I didn't know that they made CPU coolers but I've never actually take a look at one and this looks cool I mean it's kind of a nice looking water block it's different yeah and I thought it must be quite at first because just how it's all it looks to be like all lowercase big wide block big wide block like it'd be quiet cooler but it's a nice looking cooler interesting how it says appeared like sideways like you couldn't amount a bit right so I would I was gonna say maybe ever if he rotated that 45 degrees 90 degrees I'm sorry ha ha the mud on that mountain seemed an interest rotate 90 degrees and you maybe would could loop the cables around a little bit more and lift them so that if you did add a graphics card to this system which is really what I feel like it's missing definitely like I don't know I feel like when you've added a liquid cooler you can get 120 millimeter liquid coolers for 50 60 bucks so I guess it's not that making the difference but um but yeah this really wants a discrete graphics card is what you want to add and it wants a ditch that hideous power supply sticker yeah get rid of the power supply sticker cover it with something nice to are doing any favors some sleeve extensions so if you're a fan of if you're liking your up here cooler yes get some get some sleeved extensions from them because they're actually really really good quality just make sure you know which type you're getting because they sell two different materials there's the paracord sort of like the plasticky ones that are a bit more stiff and then like the more like a fabric nylon like or I guess the nylon ones would be the more plastic bands they usually the plans now a paracord he records you with the fabric so make sure that you know what you're getting but it would look a lot better in your rig and you've also got this m2 SSD which is fine but it's green the pcbs green maybe I could cool around that or so it's no put it a little heat sink on there or just plastic get the shit out of it yeah sure as long as it doesn't have any cool thank you very much camel do Jacob Jefferey is an i-5 dusty 400 base to shut them cold by Jennifer chuckle MSI H 170 APC mate ZOTAC GTX 970 16 gigs of DDR 4 of XE r memory cry rig m9i air cooler EVGA 500 watt power supply one turbocharged FN 20 gig SSD NZXT s340 black tape on the 24 pin as the result of a seemed like a good idea at the time ten-foot mod net PSU its upgrade well now I've done this one 14-foot mod 10 foot mod is one as a mod that looks good from 10 feet away but you get it closer up and maybe not so great so yeah I've actually done this before actually one of my one of my test beds down there I will have I wrapped the ketchup and mustard I used gaff tape though which isn't as reflective as electrical tape I'll sure I feel like the electrical tape that I mean there's different electrical tapes right of different qualities but I feel like the actual resident the sticky stuff you know kind of like it doesn't last as long especially in an environment like a like a PC that heats up right so yeah he's obviously already kind of regretted that over time and is aware of it but you know it's it's not looking super great like I don't know what looks worse this or just this this ketchup and mustard cables I think the ten-foot mod on the graphics card is also not a GPU I mean that's not a ten-foot mod that's just plugging it in with what you have available know which is the red paint on the ground oh the red paint let's get rid of paint on it it's a mod though tech does not make a card with those minutes I get it it's to match the red on your case and stuff alright but there's there's there's definitely some modification here that seems a bit more amateur and I'm not gonna fault you for it because it probably looks better than had you not done the mods to some degree but there's better ways to do those I think instead of taping your 24 pen ATX cable I would say get some extensions get some sleeves extensions and that would also fix the mustard that's all over your graphics card - it's an EVGA 5 inter watt power supply so don't worry that's one of the budget EVGA Paris was there tore a perfectly fine Paris didn't even get a really cheap extension set the that that looks great that looks fine yeah it's way better than what you have or you know there's 50 $60 power supplies that have all black cables sure that would have the proper cables for your graphics card as well so you wouldn't have to use a molex adapter it would be a lot more time swap that out but be it be aware you'd have to redo all your cable management swap out the graphics card versus adding notice what about the power supply I'm sorry to put the pair of slifer's he's letting extension cables yeah only slightly only slightly I don't know no no no okay maybe because he is it doesn't get reroute think most of the major cables anyway if you're using extensions it also depends on how he's got it routed behind the case yeah but at any rate I think extensions or a new power supply would would do wonders for your build because everything else looks pretty clean it's interesting how you have your fan cable for your CPU cooler wrapped around the fan I mean it blends in pretty well oh yeah I would personally just tuck it underneath the fan if you could yeah that would look better yeah it's such a nice looking faint cry where you actually spend some time spends time making their fans look good and then we've also got what else here that's all that's it okay it looks really good apart from those minor gripes thank you very much Jacob Thank You Jacob thank you all for submitting to pin my PC and thus concludes the segment let's move on to tech news first I'm gonna point out that I'm drinking a new beer from Al Smith new Booya drink fresh in a pint glass 45 to 50 degrees that's a good that's good what is it a session meal this is an American session ale it's a good session called Mount Rushmore mmm which is fantastic me and Bill crushing it all right what's up next yeah rolling these news stories relatively quick because we've were somewhat short on time here and we stopped to do donations so first article here is from hot-hot-hot Hardware about the crypto currency seems just kind of going bust right now saying starting with Bitcoin Bitcoin has fallen as low as 59 hundred dollars in the past 24 hours before climbing back to just over 6,000 at the time this article is being written so in the time that it took this dude to write this article if the price of cryptocurrency Bitcoin sorry fluctuated from fifty to fifty nine hundred dollars to six thousand which doesn't seem like a lot but in 24 hour period $100 swing is quite it's quite volatile very stable code this is super volatile stable and back in May if you remember Bitcoin was training at around 10,000 dollars and even topped $19,000 it was almost $20,000 in late 2017 20,000 and now it's like 6k you're lucky if you get 6k it's actually down 68% from its record high which is really sad until you look at aetherium which is doing works going on with the theory Imperium just crashed to a nine-month love to around two hundred and fifty-six dollars yes it surpassed twelve hundred dollars back in January of this year fluctuated wildly through early May and it's been all downhill ever since at the same time last year theorem held 32 percent of the entire cryptocurrency market cap with Bitcoin just barely beating it out at 39% but now the theorem is only carrying 14 percent compared to bitcoins 54 percent so what about all those people's a lot of percents but those all those people who are heavily invested in Bitcoin who are like bitcoins gonna be worth $50,000 by the end of the year that well you know that they are all now selling their GPUs on maybe they had a vested interest in bitcoins price continuing to go up god help those people because it is not looking that way as of now so Bitcoin and aetherium are essentially worthless now and you're going to lose money if you if you have any of them so just send them all to us basically yes and if we didn't want to be evil in that sense we would tell you you know there's a chance there's a chance that cryptocurrency could gain back some of its steam and then I use could go up again this is very volatile market so who's to say where it's gonna be a year from now or even a couple months from now we don't really know but at the very least miners thousands of miners globally and especially here in the United States are kind of jumping ship and we've seen a lot a lot of used graphics cards pop up I have personally on Craigslist and other second-hand sites from miners miners who were just like you know it it's not it's not taking off like I thought it would and this is also evidenced by the lowing lowering prices of mainstream GPUs having looked like this week but like I know 10 80s could be had for as little as four turn above 40 50 40 down to 400 I haven't seen 400 but I saw a picture yeah I know it made the choice between 1070 1070 TI 1080 very muddy because like as soon as you're at 10 70 bucks they got 20 bucks more for sin 70 ti okay another 20 bucks maybe 10 20 bucks more than that for it today yeah yeah at that point if you're spending that much money on a GPU then it that extra bit is is a smaller percentage of the total cost that you were spending so so it makes it more worth it so it's interesting how just within less than a year the tables have completely turned 180 when all the miners were like hell yeah raking in the dough everything's awesome I love life and gamers are like I fuckin hate you life's horrible I got to spend a thousand dollars for a gtx 1070 and now it's a total opposite story miners are jumping ship selling your GPUs oh my god I'm like totally Brooke I spent 20 grand on GPUs I know I made like five grand back and then now gamers are like rejoicing everywhere like holy crap we finally have normalized prices for GPUs so it's it is what it is but being gamers ourselves to some degree when we can and being a tech enthusiast in general I'm happy I think I feel that it feels good to be able to make a simple recommendation he'll give her like a reasonably priced yeah PC builds with that I'm gonna go into like an explanation of like all right graphics cards are really expensive right now yeah cryptocurrency mining and right like what the hell is that yeah it was really hard to have like a PC of the month or like a build that I would do on the channel and be like no one should ever bite us don't buy this right now this is terrible terrible ideas like and I just had it in my garage fucking this don't do it but now I can is it's different so yeah let's go on to a story that's like a lot less happy just okay make the keep the universe balanced this is from PC gamer but it's been talked about everywhere his case labs beloved beloved case manufacture for many years is now bankrupt and liquidating they announced this on their Twitter page actually that it and its parent company we're shutting down permanently after being forced in and I quote forced into bankruptcy and liquidation this is another direct quote from the from their tweet the tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent partly due to associated shortages which cut deeply into our margins the default of a large account added greatly to the problem we reached out for a possible deal that would allow us to continue on and preserve I'm sorry persevere through these difficult times but in the end it didn't happen case Labs is probably referring to the new tariff laws that are being enforced on Chinese imports by the US government Donald Trump the US president hasn't seen in these tariffs and and now China and the US are sort of in this trade war that's causing a lot of US companies to either lose money lay off employees or outright shut down completely and there's quite a bit of controversy around here because around this because a lot of people are saying well maybe it wasn't the tariffs 100% that are the cause I don't think anywhere in case Labs statement did they say that the tariffs were 100% the cause but definitely had a hand in in their eventual downfall they also said that there was a huge default on their account which doesn't instill the most confidence how and how business was being handled at the time or maybe you know over over the past however many months or years that the company has been in operation so that it's it's kind of it's hard to say we don't know the full details on why case labs shut down or what was the final nail in the coffin it seems to be more or less a combination of things just kind of that sort of tipped the scales and eventually was the straw that broke the camel's back case Labs has also said that they've been able to fulfill some case orders but not all of them and that other parts will most likely ship to customers anything that's like an accessory or something like that but there's quite a bit of backlogged case orders that will not be fulfilled because they are completely shut down at this point so it's it's definitely sad I personally never got a chance to build inside of the case labs case maybe I will one day if I buy one used or something neither but they were very well known for for being highly like over engineered incredibly sturdy durable and very customizable it's kind of like a blank slate that you could literally do any sort of modification to jaye Jaye's to senses skunkworks very popular famous system was built inside of the case labs case and it was very loved by a lot of enthusiasts in the community we're sad to see it go even if we had never done a build I don't think you ever did a build in the case labs case either no even though we never have that it doesn't mean that we didn't respect what they stood for the products that they sold so it is sad when you see someone like that go down in the in the community so we wish them all the best whatever the next endeavor is who knows they could maybe start up a new brand or something like that but yeah it sucks is where this any any thoughts comments I don't know I tweeted I when I saw this story I tweeted and I said thanks Trump I did see that which I heard some which I was vaguely referring to everyone like anytime when Obama was was the president they would always say thanks Omar yeah and you know obviously there's there's different layers to that and everything but I got a I get a bunch of flack a bunch of people I mean I got a bunch of responses sure from people critiquing me once you who is supporting me order like if anyone gets a sniff of poetry there's certainly something to be said for like alright we don't know the details of case labs business right and were they running on like such thin margins that you know the slightest push was able to push them out of business sure I don't know I don't know they're books and I don't think they should be forced to open up the books erecting like that right all I know is that the the trade war the tariffs is completely pointless and unnecessary right there was no reason to do any of this yeah it just seems not helping anyone so II and if you talk to anyone who's like you know and a common economist for a living they're like trade wars are stupid and they're always stupid and they're just countries like battle they like the government's battling each other while all the people who have to pay for things like I guess we have to pay more money now sure awesome so that's my stance I'd anyway I'm sure I'm sure yeah yeah I'm sure that there are reasons for you know the other side probably has their reasons up there saying are true and people can choose to believe those or not at the end of the day though so far it seems to not be very fruitful and I was gonna say something about else about this but oh yeah I was gonna say that like your tweet yeah okay so maybe there are some personal thoughts from out of yours that were behind it but I felt like it was basically just a meme like that tweet that you're like thanks Trump like it's basically like I mean without a picture and people got so they took it so personally which is hilarious because you should never take a meme personally in my opinion even if it contradicts what you believe like it's a meme it's not worth arguing over I don't know maybe I'm wrong who knows but we can move on yeah let's move on let's move on let's let's talk about another hot hardware article from from from them about the Amazon echo the Amazon echo has been hacked you should all burn your echoes right now just go into your living room unplug your echo and throw it into a tub while it's on and then light it on fire okay properly I don't have an Amazon echo Cal well then you're safe and you will live something about a day whereas everyone else will die because researchers whoo-hoo you and Keon Wang Qiang sorry demonstrated at Def Con 2018 that there's a technique for hacking these Amazon echo speakers the second gen speakers that allows attackers to spy on the speakers owner after a month of experimenting the hacking duo was only able to intercept the speaker's microphone they were not able to tap into the whole network that was it that the speaker was attached to which is good because if that if they were able to do that they could potentially gain access to other smart home enabled devices like locks or security systems for example but after all their tinkering with this speaker they were only able to hack the speaker's microphone ba that's still pretty serious because that essentially allows them to eavesdrop on conversations that happen around the speaker or basically anything that the speaker can hear they can hear too which is really kind of creepy it's not it's not a simple hack though and this is why you shouldn't be too concerned is that it this hack requires physical access to the device right then and there 99.99999% people are safe because hackers usually don't break into your house and you know physically in an interface with your devices but it required them to have physical access to the speaker because they essentially had to remove it's it's a it's an embedded flash chip and modify it so that it would have its own firmware the hackers own firmware on there like whenever there's a hack and the exploit requires physical access again I'm always a little bit more dismissive but absolutely absolutely but how much longer until we find this can somehow be done remotely right exactly yeah finding a way to access the the firmware and updating it remotely is also a concern so at the very least it's still good to know what could be done with your devices should they have physical access to the outside world and so once they hack that firmware they can essentially take that modified echo and have it infect or hack other echo speakers in the same Wi-Fi network because a lot of people a lot of users will have multiple smart speakers or whenever in their home right especially people with like larger homes maybe you have one or two throughout the house and stuff so you you infect one if they if they can have physical access to one that can infect the others remotely at that point things like the various web exploits in the Alexa interface including cross-site scripting URL redirection and HTTP downgrade attacks the research was given to Amazon who quickly rolled out fixes to patch the security vulnerabilities that made this type of attack possible so I guess that's at the end of the day you do not have to throw away the Amazon echo that's currently sitting in your living room that nobody you said at the beginning and didn't because now they've thrown away their echo wheaton they should that's that's just us you know rewarding people who watch our entire trail get a watch since and punishing everyone who doesn't final an article here we'll go through this really quickly google is tracking you even if you turn your location history off this is an article from hexxus net but it was also plastered everywhere else on the web The Associated Press held an investigation that discovered that Google wants to know where you go so badly that it records your movements even when you explicitly tell it not to these findings were confirmed by computer scientists at Princeton University before AP went on to publish its story Comp Sci students are cops AI scientists at Princeton University they are much smarter than any anyone here so I trust what they say a lot don't worry this only affects up to two billion Android and iOS users good disabling location history doesn't keep Google from tracking your location some google apps automatically store timestamp data timestamp location data without asking you can delete the data yourself yes but that requires a laborious process to go through most people are not willing to do google apps that might track you even when you tell them not to include maps which apparently stores a snapshot of apps wants to know your location even when you tell it not to know your location though even if you're just opening up maps to look at a map without needing to know where you are on the GPS with the GPS maps apparently stores a snapshot of your location when you launch the app whether or not you have location history on it'll just take a snapshot of where ever you are and know where you are at that time when you open up maps which makes so I'll get to that later whether the weather app from Google pinpoints your location to give you accurate weather reports I guess that's a fair trade knowing where I am at all times and telling me what the weather is like if it's raining outside sure why not and search even if you're searching even if your search has nothing to do with with location search apparently is tracking your every move as well you can best limit Google's location tracking by disabling not just the location history but also your web and app activity there's an option for that as well you go to the settings disable both of those and it will the article doesn't say it will eliminate any tracking but it will significantly reduce the amount of tracking that Google does on your vulnerable body you can also check through the data that's currently stored on your phone or device via your Google account webpage at my activity google.com why why does Google wanna track you so bad well money is a short answer big data big data baby Google can can sell basically your location whereabouts to advertisers so that they can better advertise to you additionally they recently unveiled a tool called local campaigns that dynamically uses ads to boost in person store visits advertising is really the the biggest thing here Google's let advertisers track the effectiveness of online ads at a driving foot traffic which is a feature that relies heavily on user location history I mean it makes sense it makes sense that Google rakes in about a hundred billion dollars in in location history reliant and revenue per year a hundred billion dollars from knowing where you are so yeah everyone go destroy your phones now burn him in the fire you can like it you can take your Amazon that Cup make sense to me or your phone that they can do that but there's a layer of abstraction between them knowing your data like where you are and profit yeah but there's an in-between there's like advertising effectively that's the middle that's the middle partner yeah advertising is the sort of middle middle man and all of this see I've never been concerned with this because I've never turned my location history up I'm I've always wanted Google to know exactly where I am just for convenience for note for all the apps and stuff so that you so that you have a more convenient experience on Android yeah I want and one effective advertising of products that is tailored for my tastes and specific location at any given moment in time yeah yeah you know and it's like hey we noticed that you're in Siberia here's the baby where does it check it maybe you want to shoot with a bunch of dogs see that's convenient there everyone should just be okay with it and it's crazy because that's a valid argument some people just like that the convenience of their phone knowing where they are and and like unlike my phone just speaks to me it's like it knows me personally well so does your mom and your mom knows you personally because she kind of knows like where you go everyday and stuff she knows your whereabouts so if you like the fact that like your Google phone or whatever phone you have is kind of like a family member and they're that intimately in tune with your whereabouts then you shouldn't be surprised when you get targeted ads that are suspiciously familiar to what your likes and interests are based on where you've been in the last five years or whatever the fuck so you can't have your cake and eat it too there's always a compromise between security and convene and privacy and all that shit so at the other day you've been informed we're all probably security for Oscars let's move on to that's pretty much it for my halfway jump in the donations 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toys to be fair that was out six years ago yeah and his gaming at six K was one year sixteen seven point five million so so it's not like he hasn't had any hits since that door but I'm still so ridiculous okay all right maja that's why it's like how hasn't Channel super fun not taken off I know and surpassed - tech tips and who knows crit fish five dollars hello from KCMO guys II don't know what's KCMO I don't know those in honor of the August primary Ken Lyle talk about any experience in Missouri ah any experience he has with American elections no he cannot before I taped it him by the way Lyle I don't think why all those I don't know what he would vote huh it's probably a good thing that lockup listen folk to be honest it's for the good of all people thank you very much though critic Michael real pal 5canadian I upgrade my 6600 K overclock 4.5 gigahertz to an 8700 K or wait for the 9700 plus I wait yeah we might as well weights right around the corner October 1st apparently bazinga X once again five dollars towards beer proofing your PC Kyle it's very yes very useful enough $5 donations and I won't have to worry about how much beer I spill my PC just build a new one bazinga X again G's $5 for calling me a mother ever last week lol you know what you are a mother fucker bazinga X because if that's gonna get me more money than hell I'll call you all the things that you want me to space Butler mm $10 I'm new to overclocking and I overclocked my 1800 X 2 4 gigahertz in the UEFI but the rise of master and task manager say it's running a 2.2 gigahertz in the base clock is 4 4 4 4 gigahertz does this mean it was a failed overclock space Butler your CPU naturally well not depending on how you overclock my CP will not always run at the see that you set it to it'll travel itself down in order to save power when it's not excuse me being tasked with with lots of things to do it's usually an offset or something like that so yeah the software i've been using most frequently is hardware info or h hardware info 64 yeah HW info if you run that it'll keep track of the current frequency the minimum frequency the maximum frequency and the average frequency yeah so there you can look and see the max frequency can be a co this core is boosting up to this frequency this court would lose t up to this frequency it's green software just two sensors only mode and you can look at all that information it's also a pretty accurate software for risin I found yeah yeah it always matches like rising master one-to-one pretty much I think they were on top of the updates when that was all launching and everything yet with the offsets with the temperature and stuff yeah and speaking of offsets if you have overclock your cpu with an offset voltage then the the whole point of that is to is some that you're not running at the you know the max voltage is the whole time and you're only ramping that up and you're ramping your clock speeds up when you're under a significant load it's a good power saving measure that I suggest a lot of people do if they're gonna be overclocking 24/7 as opposed to just dialing in a fixed overclock voltage and multiplier poor ratio I mean and going to town so yeah good like San Diego LAN my fellers letteth on this weekend oh yeah Brian actually asked me to plug the vilena thana I replied to him San Diego LAN net is having a brand-spanking-new land I believe it's it's this week weekend 18th to the 20th Saturday Sunday Monday yes I'm Melana thon if you're in the San Diego area you should definitely check it out yeah tickets are already half gone they're already half sold out and you should you should go and just playing video games with a bunch of other nerds it's not intimidating everyone else is nerdy and stuff just go and have a good time so there's no gatekeepers there being like you're not good enough at landing to be here you know so San Diego land on that Thank You thanks Brian and thanks for sandy the land also just for those of you who note is the the same organization that invited Paul and I out to comic-con yeah couple weeks ago and had a really cool land party there and it was it was a huge hit they know how to land their lands are always killer so go check them out bazinga X $5 Google changing their name to Skynet we will all die that's probably very true but at least I will get to say that I had a Skynet phone at least we'd have a little bit of advance noticed I feel like as well because if Google changed the name of the Skynet I'd be like right well is this precedes the epochal cancer and we never see it coming George yeah Tom Lucero you know as Paul can you do a Powerball follow up video Powerball my power waffle means Powerball did it end up powering your AC or not Tom I am planning a follow-up video but I'm gonna wait a couple months I just I want to gather more data like I want to be able to say here's how it performed this period of time with different temperatures I've been doing random screen 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