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than news it is simply news about invidious stuff Oh green stuff get it it's because they're green alright this indirectly is very very creative highly creative segment I thought about all the way last night alright so there's a lot of things going on with the video of course with the r-tx lunch coming up and stuff like that starting with this article from tech power up they did some digging recently and and while they were testing their r-tx cards with gpu-z they found that well I guess I should read the headline first NVIDIA has been segregating or they will be segregating their Turing GPUs some of which can be factory overclocked by the board partner or the end user or by the board partner or and and and they'll also be making some SKUs some Asics that do not support factory overclocking it's completely forbidden segregation it's interesting segregation yeah segregation is not is not something to be is usually suddenly frowned upon in today's society but look at this Nvidia segregating things but may may or may not should be says let's say various variances so so they noticed they noticed on their cheat RTX 28 ET i that had two device IDs and device ID basically tells windows which which software to load for a specific model of card tells the driver which commands to send to the card based on that ID so most cards actually all nvidia cards in the past have only carried one device ID per skew but the RT x 28 e TI and apparently the RT x 2080 have two device IDs on each one so it's very peculiar and what what what would tech power up discovered is that these two IDs correspond to two different ASIC codes per GPU models so there's the tu 102 300 which is designed to be used on cards targeting the MSRP so this is more like entry-level cards that that are that are a bit more lower priced and maybe don't have factory overclocking out of the box and then there's the tu 102 300 a that a at the end is is the big differentiator there that's for reserved for custom cards designed for overclocking so your asus rog Strix OSI model your your EVGA for the win or a super super clock models that let all come factory overclock those have a specific ASIC now and a specific device ID that corresponds to that bad GPU letting letting the system know and the driver know that this card can be factory overclocked it won't be possible without that a SKU on on your GPU both of the same physical chip I should reiterate that it's just it's just one that's one is it has been Bend for overclocking better better better power efficiency and things like that so yeah that's not to say don't get too worried about that because you'll still be able to manually overclock either SKU or either either device ID either ASIC that should be noted but the atom boy partner and the board partners just won't be able to tune the non a device ID parts the other thing to note here that the article mentioned is that this could prevent potentially didn't confirm but it could potentially prevent users and users from taking like buying like a cheaper entry-level priced card at MSRP and then flashing it with like a custom factory overclocked cards bios in order to take advantage of those higher clock speeds that may not be possible with with a with a specific device ID but if you can manually overclock then that's that I feel like that's a little bit more advanced than menu manually overclocking so if you could so many manually over my question would be in my table where I've been to the point where the so the a the - a variance can be overclocked and so if you have an on - a variant would that would that is that a Binns chip that performed that under performs like there are the - a ones all over performing binned GPUs yes all the - A's are apparently been so so I guess with the articles in there they're better so they're better there are way better um which I guess sort of confirms that NVIDIA has been every single Turing GPU that they that they manufacture at least for GP I'm sorry tu 102 and tu-104 those are all being Bend by Nvidia and then they're they're sending them off into two camps the excuse for overclocking and the non a scuse for you know your basic bitch models okay so that's that there's a lot us know what you think about that is this is this blasphemy to gamers everywhere or is does this not really make much of a difference I could see it being a bummer for people who have traditionally flashed their cards with with a fancy bios or something like that people who looked for a bargain by buying the base clocks versions of the card and then overclocking it themselves like it sounds like you're gonna have to buy an overclocked version of the card already to get the GPU that overclocks the best yes absolutely oh yeah yeah yeah true moving on moving on more in green stuff Nvidia shield TV now supports 120 Hertz and up to the Wi-Fi bandwidth for their GeForce now streaming application so this this new upgrade or yeah it was the the 7.1 shield experience upgrade that they just released this week now supports 120 Hertz refresh rates at sub 4k resolutions based on the BAMF limitations of the HD I poured on there this is mainly aimed gaming and streaming games based either from g-force now or from a from a connected g-force based system that you have you know locally connected in your house or something that's mainly because there isn't a whole lot of 120 Hertz video content out there it's just not it's just not very common right out of people broadcasting know that refresh rate so which is weird because there's a lot of 120 Hertz TVs out there but you could argue they're not true 120 Hertz and all that but anyway there's also support for non QWERTY keyboards if you're into that which improves and also improvements to accuracy of mouse movements in g-force now have been made that was simply by disabling the Android mouse acceleration feature apparently there's some annoying feature in Android that accelerates your mouse which is bad for gaming that's been taken care of okay and then also a pretty big one here is that previously prior to this update for whatever reason the Wi-Fi bandwidth was being throttled or just wasn't realizing its full potential when you opened up the g-force now app so now the improvements from Wi-Fi bandwidth to this app have been improved by 5x what's that's good which you know if you're gonna be streaming at a triple-a game I would imagine that having good Wi-Fi is probably important if you're not hardwired in or anything so it's nice to see that Nvidia is continuing support for their shield TV gamers both the casual and the hardcore it seems like that would line up more with the VF big big freaking gaming displays that they aren't launching this year but they're still are supposed to launch next year yeah when charts I believe supposed to be a hundred forty-four Hertz refresh rate mm-hm but they are g-sync so I would assume that you could also type through dude through the you know that this would be its user gaming PC through the shield TV and stop g-sync support oh yeah 120 Hertz refresh rate right that would be sweet yeah moving on we've got an article from overclocked 3d net this is just really quick one pictures yeah I love articles with just oh wait no sorry I skipped one Anandtech sorry about that I'm getting ahead of myself uh NVIDIA has delayed the availability for their r-tx 20 atti by about a week a week going from September 20th which was like in two days you were about to get one in two days and now you're gonna have to wait till September 27th a whole seven days that sucks gee whiz what an inconvenience he told people not to pre-order yep and this is why just get disappointed but you can still create are the r-tx 2080 that's still available and it will be launching September 20th so pre-order that that's in two days right now just just throw your money at this pre-order don't wait for the reviews how should I get hashtag Tom's Hardware hash tag / s / yes sure that's that's really all for that article it's been delayed we don't really know why it could be - probably get ready - there's a shortage of them like being like on a IC IC and I'll see train tracks you know going through just like some minor yes and there's a train you know with the car full of them on there yep then there's like a shootout oh yeah bandits on the train and a big explosion graphics card bandits and that's what I imagine that's probably part of what went on to cause this delay is if that's really what happened I'd give them like a three day delay and most yeah a weeks just obscene that's why I said that's part of it obviously the feature-length film going over it I'll take a little bit longer the lead of imagine I imagine it will feature real time range tracing them and and jetsam Huang's character will be played by none other than Jason Statham she didn't stay them as Jensen I could see him within the jacket that great jacket would work he probably already wears one of those yeah all right they know each other alright moving on here this is the article that it was talking about momentarily a bit ago uh this is from overclocked 3d Donette and it's pictures I love articles and pictures because you can just look at him like a jewel that's so visual some colors so the RG Strix 2070 or I should say the ROG 2070 Strix OC sometimes it's weird because sometimes a C's puts tricks before the model and sometimes they put it after it's it I don't like it but although it says ROG Strix on the box ROG r-tx 2070 Strix yeah that's confusing anyway there's a Strix in there somewhere so you've got the more premium overclocked one probably or definitely has that a that a skew ASIC on it that we just talked about because it's factory overclocked and then there's the RT x 2070 dual you can tell because it's got dual fans as opposed to triple that on the Strix so let's talk about these the art V Strix model clearly as a triple heatsink triple fan heatsink design and the fans are not quite but not quite like the the ones on the RT x 2080 or 28 ECI those those axial tech fans that we've seen pictures of but rather they're more familiar more more I guess they're borrowed from that's in the other room okay these fans are more like of the Pascal ones that we've seen that we're familiar with they're probably just recycling they're reusing unused Pascal fans there's also a - I've got one right here there he is this is the Asus Archie X 2070 what what for all you know this says GTX right there shut up okay it's the RT X as you can see raining on your parade nope I mean it could very well be right hold on let me see you is this from that although look at the right here oh no yeah no it's exactly the same shroud and everything yeah it's the same trend yeah same tree we have a new sharp for the 2080 in 2080 okay this is considered two and a half slot I believe tale it's two point seven slots Kyle no only no this is two point seven this is yes well then it's slightly different then oh well then this is two point five oh nevermind oh it's two pi 5 so maybe it's the same strap it on the heatsink no no what is two point seven for the r-tx not like those massive two point seven five slot there's 2.7 well you know what's weird is that the Strix is 2.5 but the duel is 2.7 oh yeah you guys are at the DVI part DVI port gives it away say again well yeah the duel is actually thicker it's 2.70 versus 2.5 on the Strix so it like I feel like it doesn't matter I mean you give them a little bit 2.5 and 2.7 I appreciate having a bit of space there because if you're gonna do two way and you have triple slot spacing then you want to have some space there but two ways not supported on 2070 so maybe that's there that's why it's okay to have a little bit who care the card yeah that's what I'm taking again that thick card yeah but you know what's interesting is that if you scroll down also the article points out another oddity here is that there's a an envy link SLI bridge or a finger on the dual card and that's is there is it that is there yeah these are renders no no but it I I know I'm just saying these are renders so I'm like right here looking at it it looks like it's just a dummy like part of the PCB that they didn't actually fill up because there's another contact points on it but I render so I'm not sure they may not have soldered the contact points on there yeah but what they're saying is that they that Asus likely borrowed over like the surplus of unused PCBs for their r-tx 20 18 20 atti oh yeah for these cards that way they'd be compatible with the the cooler and the backplate design and they just didn't bother to fully remove that that SLI finger just to make it simpler less less money and stuff happens so don't get excited it's not some Easter Egg that in video is you know trying to slip one under our under our noses or anything you can't to a 27 TS I don't think you'll ever be able to two-way a 70 card from Nvidia ever again actually doesn't seem like that's the direction they're headed but you never know and that's it you can expect both of these cards to arrive sometime in October yeah let's move on hey news let's just talk about some general boring non green news now how about that news okay let's talk about red news know that changing it up what color is Tesla this Tesla considered I guess red is I think regularly usually what they alright so I guess this could be read news at least this article the Tesla Model 3 is now in delivery logistics hell according to the article and also according to you I musk so production of the model 3 finally ramped up to Musk's expectation of producing 5000 a week but now they have a logistics nightmare and there's it doesn't really go into detail why but for whatever reason these things cannot get delivered at the moment some lady on in on Twitter was bitching say in my car I see picture I keep getting messages of my car that's just sitting in the lot waiting for shipment but it's just been sitting there for like a week or two and there's no explanation they keep delaying my my arrival day and I don't know why and then Elon Musk reached out to her on Twitter and said well we'll fix it soon anyone must calm down I got this so this is seem fairly relaxed in his Twitter photo he's always relaxed didn't like every tweet must be from smoking that blood right totally can't even trust a man who are accusing people of being pedophiles who's who's on the perpetual yeah he's getting them next step so you should just climb that fence I mean there's a bit of bar boy I feel like she should just take her car she paid for it yeah yeah and the model 3 will basically just drive her out of there yeah she wouldn't have to drive it say model 3 you know use the lasers I assume are built into the front of you to cut through the fence fly and then take me to in and out to jump over the fence yeah so there's there's bigger news though with with Tesla lately as most of us know Elon Musk tweeted that he wanted to take the company private and then he sort of assented funding secured not just kidding no no and then he recanted a few days later this whole situation kind of revolved around his relationship with the Saudi wealth fund who invested two billion dollars into Tesla recently but it's interesting it seems like Saudi fund is is playing a different tune now because today we learned that they invested 1 billion dollars into Lucent motors which is proud the closest competitor to Tesla I can't imagine they'd be that close cuz I've never heard about them until today it's a smack to the face to Elon Musk the investment hopes to feel the production of the Lucid air hypercar by 2020 the company had a hard time has had a hard time finding financial support to move it forward to actual vehicle manufacturing so now they're gonna have a new factory built in Arizona thanks to that Saudi money that's that's nice that's a t-money doesn't necessarily mean that the Saudi fund has lost all faith in Tesla or you lend must but rather that they could just be diversifying their their investments like any smart investor would do with their money I don't know I don't know much about investing and it'll be I thought you had like a contact at the Saudi wells funds that was feeding you information about their future plans well you know they did invest a billion dollars in the bit whit but say I spent it all actually while spent at all he needed he needed new clothes even while these expensive tastes and then lucid is is a suddenly now a bigger much bigger threat to Tesla because they actually have funding to move forward in big ways like actually making a product but it'll still be a long way until they even get close to catching up of Tesla because right now their focus is on a 900 horsepower hyper car that which is that look I think that's it who says lucid on the front so yeah it's gotta be it which is definitely not a mainstream product like Tesla's Model 3 so I mean its mainstream if you price it right yeah how many horses 90 cent 900 900 uh reasonable faster than like a Lambo like a just like a commuter car yeah you got to get there quick you know you like to work not anymore this is a you stir egg right here Tuesday November 28th Oh probably when they're dropping this car oh you might be wrong it's my guess or that car can time travel and it's actually taken from the future this is the 900 horsepower is so fast to power the flux capacitor capacitor and in place of mr. fusion which has not been invented yet mr. fusion is that is that the name of that is that for the movie yeah well in fact future well actually the end of back to future one that comes back from the future and see he's he's a fusion miss mr. fusion installed and the DeLorean remember that so that he doesn't need the plutonium anymore okay to power it you can even just use it's like banana peel and stuff like that and there he's the fusion depart that's why I'm back to the Future 3 his problems in order to get back to 1985 isn't that he doesn't have enough power like he doesn't need to find plutonium he has mr. fusion the problem is that he'd ripped the fuel line and he just you can't run the engines to speed the DeLorean up to 88 miles per hour in order to actually travel back to the future it's common sense really yeah the more you know it's fun fun facts from Paul there should be a whole segment where you just drop like useless movie trivia but I never I never know when I'm actually gonna be able to like dole out that information much information that's a bit I had no idea that I knew that much you never know until you test yourself right yeah but it was all very apparent that was beautiful alright so so that's that cool good job there good luck Tesla try not to lose all your money and stuff that you don't have let's move on to a PC perspective article about Apple Apple further further in for confirming that Apple devices are not invincible they are just as prone it's an unappealing photo on a polling nope that doesn't work yes Apple fans are upset about the invulnerability of the companies of some of the company's products lately there was a less serious bug that crashes the device or the vulnerability the vulnerability sorry when in vulnerabilities yes no that would be that's what this that's what they sell you that is true and it's incorrect vulnerability right fault what serious bug has been crashing devices left and right from simply visiting a web page which has been more of an inconvenience than a threat but still if your device is crashing from opening up a web page that's that's kind of yeah yeah it's kind of lame or Windows doesn't do that alright so the second vulnerability involves SecureAnywhere which is a security software a security software okay so go on there's a vulnerability in his security software which is kind of funny ah um which has remained unpatched for a while the patch was released months ago but we're just learning about it this week why well the I guess the theory there from Apple is that if you let people know that there was an issue right away it might expose more devices to the threat but that could backfire as well leaving users in the dark on something like that could lead to a delayed upgrade as usually as users wait to see if a patch has negative negative effects which leaves them open to attack in this case the vulnerability was only effective on already compromised devices so hopefully the number of people targeted was at a minimum so this is all to say that Mac users stay woke I just felt like saying that wanted to feel what it's like to be young safe hip fries I never said stay woke up before not organically that is not as naturally and fluidly as I just did it felt like it didn't feel a little too forced maybe after I said what I did right after it seemed a bit more forced but I don't know I did I use it properly then I believe so I think I'm not I'm not privy to these sorts of things okay usually have to look it up on urban dictionary interesting yes I know I'm old when are you going to earn me do Connery for like not to like when I was younger I'd go to urban dictionary to like create words and definitions oh you would make them up so yeah you've coined terms like yeah terms like intranet eclis I don't know we're like DJ nor something like that you've made up the word dee Jen no I didn't make it up huh but it's just like we did the definition yeah urban dictionary right which is basically like you've been yeah made the word of the same same thing but now now that I'm old I go there two beats to stay informed of the hip lingo that young uns are using so anyway cuz they will custody woke her next articles from over Clark 3d and it's about Eric's Vegas 64 cutting prices at least in the UK I check the USA versus u.s. prices are the same u.s. prices are the same right now but if you're in the UK you're in luck because they just dropped the pricing of the RX Vegas 64 to be pretty much under the GTX 1084 in 40 pounds which converts to I believe roughly five thousand US dollars well is that true dolls totally like not Yanni Kyle oh God your live show no I know there was more Pierre's a stage John spec news um okay so it's cheaper now than a GTX 1080 if you live in the UK which makes sense because it doesn't perform wide on par with the GTX 280 in most games like I will say but you get three but you get three free games with the RX Vega 64 right now through a suite AMD promotion called makes the game raise raise raise raise the effing game refers it includes strange Brigade star control origins and Assassin's Creed origins Wow they could have had an origins trifecta I know for gate Brigade only added orange of strange Brigade origins that sounds fun yeah this should change the name of that game strange origins Brigade line up with this bundle yeah alright missed opportunity there if you're interested in those games and that's a pretty cool thing to go along with your Vegas 64 for number 140 British pounds how much cheaper would an RX mega64 have to be than 1080 for you to buy it I feel like if you can get a vague at 56 for less than 400 bucks yeah be a it would be a very competitive offer like I don't know if they can reasonably sell it for that much just when it comes to the cost for everything right being memory but like because then you then like if you have a competitive AMD graphics card with Nvidia at the same price then you can start talking about free sync versus g-sync yeah because you really want free sync or g-sync in either case do you think free syncs a lot cheaper if when it comes to the monitors but yeah if the graphics cards aren't like reasonably priced then right it's fair to say but also the higher end graphics cards is you're gonna have a higher chance that the people who are able to afford those cards are also gonna be looking at something like a higher in monitor that has g-sync refreezing so great I could see yeah I could see because you know free sync is more friendly with like monitor like manufacturers and stuff we're like you'll see Samsung or LG just pumping out monitors that just happen to have free sync not as like a primary feature but just like almost like just a lot easier to implement than G's across the manufacturer more big right it's an open standard so I could see someone who has an existing free sync monitor at home and they you know it might be worth it to spend an extra 40 50 bucks on a Vegas 64 for example for that adaptive frustrate technology or whatever but I would not say buy a free sync monitor right now anticipating future Radeon cards to come right because if you had done that when they first started talking about Vega you would have been waiting for like a year and a half or something ya know just everything moveable next up we have an article from a hot hardware this is about Microsoft backpedaling on they're obnoxious antiquer anti chrome and anti Firefox pop-ups in Windows 10 so for the upcoming Windows 10 October 2018 update Microsoft was testing a new prompt then basically would harass users and convinced them to ditch their third party browser and instead try Microsoft edge actually one of the actual texts read you already have Microsoft edge or what the prompt was gonna pop up anytime you try to install a third-party browser yeah and it would say you already have Microsoft edge the safer faster browser for Windows 10 which kind of rags on the competitors security and and and their speed at the same time which sounds somewhat unfounded it's it's a little unfair when Microsoft is making the operating system um for them to be able to do that with third-party applications I don't mind them having edge and having their own browser that they want to push and but yeah this is this is lame so they're not doing this anymore no because they had some people test out the build for their their windows insider or whatever and then the feedback was so negative that they decided to exclude these warning messages with the good with the future update that ships next month thanks to any of you guys watching this show who are part of that in windows insider program who gave them that feedback sorry unfortunately it's it's they're saying that Microsoft may still try to test these types of prompts in future updates so just because it's off the Shelf now it doesn't mean it couldn't come back at some point I think Microsoft at this point they haven't given up they're just like all right how do we like rework these pop-ups to be more sneaky and they're just gonna try to like deceive the testers and stuff and then they're gonna roll it out eventually I think but let's see what else the update will also bring changes to edge the browser that we just were suggesting people don't use everything AI assist for the keyboard HDR controls and other refinements to the UI like bloody block that's exciting um let's see that I think that's it for my half possum yeah so that was about half an hour or so just to look just like we promised give or take and now we're gonna switch gears don't go anywhere Paul's half starts in just a minute or two will be very soon liked in the comment in the description down below yep thanks to you guys for watching this at the thumbs up button doo doo timestamps for me do timestamps for me all like we love time stamp makers and we'll be right back yes well well I didn't touch my beers talking so much I know now you