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I'm good okay I think I think we're live are we live yes it looks like we're life hello welcome welcome welcome welcome hope you guys are doing well let me know if things are all looking good in in chat if if you can hear me if you can see me yes crazy day what a crazy morning right we've had a ton of launches with with AMD risin 3000 and now Navi which we'll be talking about today I've got the Radeon rx I'm sorry yeah Radeon RX 50 750 700 XT right here tested against the archaic super cards which are strewn about behind me for for a theatrical it's it's kind of a crazy launch it's been yeah I just I can empathize with all of the reviewers and stuff just it's just been non-stop testing and benchmarking recording and editing and retesting so there's obviously a ton of content in all of your sub boxes right now and including some from myself I posted my rise in 3000 video earlier this morning along with everyone else and I figured that for Navi for the benchmarks at least I would would do a stream because you guys are probably already just sat through like a ton of reviews already and just like you know teleprompter just recording after recording I figured this would be just like a looser format that we can just sort of talk and hang out and just discuss the benchmark so instead of just talking at you with facts and killing you with information I figured we could just just casually chill out and and look at some benchmarks so I even have a beer to enhance the the casual nature of this experience it's past noon it's it's 12:00 it's 12:03 or 4 so it's fine so yeah it's it's also been crazy this is this whole GPU war with the you know between the two the two big dogs the only dogs with Nvidia releasing r-tx super just sort of really last-minute and and then AMD even more or less minute coming in and dropping the prices which press didn't even know about until a day or two before lunch I kid you not we were all just like white we were we were just as shocked as you guys if you thought we had this information in the bag you know we could go or something no so I definitely I definitely screwed a lot of her viewers over fortunately I hadn't shot my Nabi video or I hadn't even like well obviously I did not shooting one but there was some press there are some reviewers who I won't mention by name but who had already recorded their videos and had to re-record because price is obviously a huge factor but we have seen some crazy competitive moves on both fronts so why don't we just dive into it I'm just gonna go go willy-nilly here look at this I did the whole I did the whole transition today look at that in plankton which portal alright so GPU specs just some comparison here just to add a glance these are the GPS I've been testing today RTX 2060 rx 5700 r-tx 2060 super rx 5700 xt r TX 2070 super and r TX 2080 I'm sorry if I didn't get around to testing a GPU that you really hoped I would include there just wasn't enough time I'm shocked that I actually got away with testing this many cards and if you're wondering the order that I've positioned them in here from left to right goes from cheapest to most expensive and in the r TX 2060 and rx 5700 these two cards are actually the same price at 349 US Dollars and then the r TX 2060 super and the RX 5700 xt are the same price at 399 so yeah these are you know I put them next to their direct competitors because pricing is going to determine how close to the performance is between the two cards r TX 2070 super and r TX 2880 are the the big GPUs the big dogs here because their price is significantly higher than all the other cards here we would expect accordingly that the performance is significantly higher as well and will take a look at that right now the other thing is that there's a lot of information on here so feel free to absorb it memorize it commit it to memory and just I don't know for when you might need it later I don't know when you would but it is an option so let's just dive in to our first slide here and sorry that my my face is kind of awkwardly wedged to the to the right side here is the only place literally the only place in the whole screen that wouldn't cover up any benchmarks I had to like slide through all the benchmarks to all the slides to make sure that it wasn't masking out anything but anyway here's our hardware setup just a really quick glance I completely forgot to include the CPU like I said it's been a long spent long last week but the 9700 K is what I used completely stock the the core i7 I did go with an Intel platform as you can see a gigabyte z3 90 horas extreme motherboard 16 gigs of g.skill Sniper X ddr4 at 3400 360 millimeter aao and these are the cards that I tested now bear in mind that the cards all the r-tx cards are founders edition cards while while all the GPUs that we're testing today are running stock out of the box the RT X cards our founders Edition cards which are more or less on the same level as like a custom board variant a custom card variant where you've got it's basically it's factory overclocked from Nvidia it is not invidious reference GPU like the Radeon rx 550 700 XT and 5700 so bear in mind that these are just like peer reference specs reference clock speeds whereas the EFI cards are factory overclocked essentially so in a sense it's an unfair comparison if I ever did this with you know with custom cards versus reference cards and had you know and you know actually had the option not to people would be all up on me you know I'd be excommunicated from the PC master-race community but there's no there's no there's nothing we can do here because the video doesn't actually provide the reference GPUs to press or to anyone for that matter so those are the specs that's that's everything we're working with let's dive into our first slide here thank you guys for the donations Scott I see I see you I see you I know you know I don't know you but thank you for the donations and superjet don't need to do that I wasn't planning on reading any of the the messages attached to them no wifey sauces moderating but she's not like copying all the messages there so thank you in advance to anyone who's donating but you don't have to fire strike extreme look at this okay so are obviously r-tx 2080 and r-tx 2070 super are gonna be top performers here because of their higher price but the RX 5700 XT is actually outperforming the r-tx 2060 super by quite a bit here and again I've organized these I position these cards based on price RTX 2080 being the most expensive in RTX 2060 being the least expensive but of course being the same price as the RX 5700 and then these two cards are the same price as well so you're gonna want to you're gonna anticipate you're gonna see probably comparable performance between these two cards and these two cards or so you would think based on the pricing whereas these two cards would pull ahead most of the time by quite a bit but here it's pretty impressive the RX 5700 XT is pretty much keeping pace with the 2070 super and it's definitely beating out its direct competitor the 2060 super by quite a bit and then same goes for the RX 5700 I mean we've got just domineering performance over the 2060 even though they are again the same price if you look at time spy pretty comparable performance now between the 5700 XT and the 2060 super which again makes sense the 5,700 and the 2060 are pretty close here but 5,700 is still pulling ahead and the big dogs on top are way ahead of the pack as you would expect first Title I tested was ashes of the singularity at NDP and I did three resolutions 1080p 1440p and 3840 by 2160 all sixteen by nine of course just to give a range although I think most people using these GPUs are probably gonna target 1080p and 1440p thought I'd throw 4k in there as well so here we go it's looking pretty competitive between the 5,700 X T and the 2060 super I would say that this is pretty square because you know one frame per second difference is chalked up to margin of error I would say that this is a pretty much a stalemate here 5,700 is pulling ahead by quite a bit by RT X 2060 I can't remember the last time I saw a similarly priced AMD card beating out outright beating out a Nvidia card in ashes of the singularity that's that's pretty impressive and you know the one-percent lows are a bit higher as well so that's this is a good sign this is a really good sign we also have at 1440p same same results more or less we've got the 5700 XT outpacing the 2060 super and the 5700 actually not just beating out the 2060 but getting the same score as the 2060 super which is super not for NVIDIA but it is super for AMD ironically that's that's that's pretty cool and then at 4k we have pretty much same results very similar results 5,700 just looking like a champ coming up against the 2060 super there 5700 XT ahead of that and 2060 trailing behind big dogs on top we're gonna see in Division 2 a very similar trend this is division 2 this this slide actually represents sort of the trend that we're gonna see most of the time on average we're gonna see this sort of this sort of ranking play out as well it should based on the pricing but notice that the AMD cards are outpacing their direct Nvidia counterparts for the same price so 5700 XT 96 FPS versus 89 on the 2060 super and these are pretty close 5,700 is you know it's basically the same as 2060 however the one-percent lows are taking a dive here AMD has been known to not have the greatest or most consistent frame times in titles compared to Nvidia and that definitely shows here in this particular test not exactly sure why that is for for this generation of cards but you can see here that it is taking a dive there however average frame rates are looking good division 2 at 1440p looks like the 5,700 was able to get it get it stuff together and and pull up its 1% lows by a bit but same ranking here we're seeing a very scaling like almost like a staircase going from the bottom to the top with AMD still looking like the better value overall and it's also worth noting that the 5700 XT so far has been kind of a nice stopgap almost an even stopgap between the 20 60 super and the 20 70 super but the 20 70 super is $100 more expensive so I don't know it feels like the 57 XT is really blowing both of the Nvidia cards beside it out of the water in terms of performance when you're talking about the 2060 super and value in reference to the 2070 super but moving on to 4k obviously as we scale up in resolution we're gonna see the the gap start to close because we're now getting progressively more GPU bound taking less stress off of the CPU so we see some pretty comparable results here between both the direct competitors with the big dogs skipping ahead by a lot and by a lot this time there are definitely occasions where the 2070 super just outright demolishes the 5700 XT but honestly for the price difference that should be happening like 95% of the time not like 65 let's move on guys thank you I'm just gonna say just I saw a $20 donation Jackal thank you so much I appreciate the donation thank you guys again I'm not gonna be reading off like the full comments but I do appreciate all all the donations their doom 1440p r-tx 2080 and 2070 pulling ahead once again but 5700 XT not too shabby right in between 2060 and the 2070 super 5700 took a huge dive here for some odd reason now it's worth addressing that I did best for best best versus best here just like AMD did for their their Nabi press press conference where they actually tested the best performing api's given you know depending on the hardware so for the Radeon cards I've tested in Vulcan and I tested with OpenGL for all the RT X cards because those are the best performing api's I felt like that was a fair compare if you're gonna buy an AMD GPU chances are if you have Vulcan as an option in a certain title you're gonna you're gonna run it in that API for the greater performance so that's what you're seeing here however the framerate capture tool the performance measuring tool that I was using to capture bulkin because fraps doesn't support Vulcan was not pumping out consistent one to one percent lows so I felt that data was invalid so I just threw it out entirely that's why there's no one percent lows but this is still pretty telling to see the average frame rates here with 5700 XT doing a great job 5700 not doing so hot you can see it didn't do so hot either it at 4k for some reason just even with Vulcan it's just falling behind the RTF 2060 this this might be the only test or it's actually falling behind out of the 2060 gaps are starting to close obviously at 4k but 5700 XT is still on top far cry 5 this is a pretty heavily an AMD favorite game and we can pretty much see that here with the rx 5700 outpacing the 2060 Super which is $50 more expensive and then we have the 5700 XT pretty much on par with the 2070 super again for $100 more expensive so yeah there are certain AMD favorite titles where this is gonna this is bound to happen our TX 2080 is just a beast of a GPU and so I probably haven't been talking about it very much it's not super competitive with the other cards it's just in a different class of its own because it's so expensive and so fast but if you're targeting 144 FPS maybe you've got your eye on that so crazy results there again somewhat more the same here 2060 super kind of taking a dive taking a backseat against both Radeon cards and the rx 2060 just falling behind again AMD is looking really strong here just look at that just catching up to the 2070 super it's crazy and then in 4k yeah 4k is more of the same smaller gaps and in GTA 5 GTA 5 is more heavily NVIDIA favored so here we are signior TX 2060 super for once outpaced the RX 5700 XT in both average frame rates and 1% lows and finally we see the RT x 2060 actually smacking the crap out of the 5700 going from 97 to 106 FPS on average but it's actually interesting to to see how close you know the 2060 super is to the 2070 super here in some games it's just even in videos own own card is competing with the card above it so it's kind of funny at 1440p we also see Nvidia just sort of winning this round both of the 2060 super and the 22 2016 2 / n 2060 with with the top dogs taking their lead and at 4k more the same bear in mind these are I haven't been reading off the settings but you know they're right here if you want to look at quality settings pretty much maxed out across the board I always test the same settings in every benchmarking video that I do so in GTA 5 it's max settings across the board with the exception of MSA which is always at 2x 2x NSAA the reason why I use 2x at MSA is because I feel like just it's sort of subjective I feel like it's a good compromise between performance hit and and quality 4x really takes your performance a lot more and no at no MSAA just kind of looks really Jaggi so if in case you were wondering Metro Exodus this is a new game that I actually added to the benchmark suite and it's it's a very consistent built-in benchmark which is why I like it 2070 super is just you know barely edging out the 5700 XT but the 5700 XT is again demolishing the 2060 super and the 5700 the 5700 is also crushing the 2060 I believe Metro Exodus is a Radeon favorite game though so bear that in mind at 1440p same thing again a lot of these trends I mean you're starting to see you've been seeing this the same trend over and over so I'm kind of like I feel like a broken record at this which is why I'm not spending as much time on on the slides as we as we progress unless some anomaly pops up or you see something really out of place but at 4k pretty much the same thing all these cards are really good performers you know if you have three hundred or three to four hundred bucks to spend on any of these four GPUs but obviously AMD is looking like the better value right now shadow the Tomb Raider at 1080p I believe this is very Nvidia favorite which no I don't know actually at any rate oh yeah my baby I kind of forget our x57 hundred is getting the same score as the r-tx 2060 super for fifty dollars cheaper the RX 5700 xt is slightly closer to the 2070 super performance than it is to the NVIDIA GPU of of the same price which is nice and 2060 trailing behind there not much difference between 2070 super and 2080 super obviously the higher up you go in you know GPU tier or any really really any hardware tier you start to see the law of diminishing returns so you're paying more for less performance or less performance gain obviously you're paying more for more performance but the the games that you're getting percentage-wise start to shrink more and more as you scale up that's just how it is that's how it's always been 1440p we're the same rx 5700 just just doing a really good job 5,700 XT also doing great even closer to the 2070 super now and you know yeah broken record 4k same thing actually yeah so 4k or you're gonna see a lot of cards direct competitor cards perform very closely 5,700 XT and 2060 super both 39 FPS with similar 1% lows and somehow the 5,700 is still pulling well ahead of the 2060 sorry I don't have like the actual percentages for you guys I usually do when I actually have a recorded video but this was sort of on a whim so total frame is rendered this is across all the games however at 1080p remember that we omitted Doom at I forgot to mention that the reason why we didn't have a doom 1080p slide it's it's the same reason that I explained in my rise in 3000 video is because it has a 200 FPS cap and all these GPUs are maxing that out so you can't really it's kind of a pointless benchmark to run at that res so you'll see that these total frames rendered are actually less less frames were rendered at this then in the 1440p benchmark so don't freak out it's just because we we took doom out at 1080p but here's the trend that we've been seeing over and over is is this kind of nice almost even staircase effect with the Radeon cards really delivering a better price to performance and better value overall than their direct nvidia counterparts with the are the RX 5700 xt rendering more frames and similar the exactly same priced 20 60 super and the 5700 pretty much the same deal I feel like yeah the 5700 XT is outpacing the 2060 super buy a little bit more buy a little bit more than the 5700 is over the 2016 just overall you know obviously your mileage may vary but from what we're seeing here and also the 5700 XT circling back to that initial thought that I had is it's looking like a really good deal compared to the even the 2070 super because I mean this is just look at the staircase here right boom boom boom 350 dollars still $350 400 or I'm sorry $500 okay sorry I keep I keep I'm sorry I'm getting all messed up $400 $400 $500 there it is so yeah you can see that it's just such a good value you don't want to pay $100 more for you know this much extra performance unless you absolutely need it for some weird niche reason the 5700 XT is looking really good at 1440p it's almost the exact same thing the gaps a little bit smaller here between these two cards but 5700 XT is looking really good 2080 dominating as usual and at 4k you can see that the trend is pretty much similar so that's has a lot of benchmarks but I think the takeaway here is that the Radeon cards are actually a better value in terms of raw performance raw gaming performance if all you care about is framerate then you just want the best bang for the buck in terms of raw gaming performance I can see little reason to choose the Nvidia super cards over over the rx 5700 series I think what it boils down to at that point is is if you care about the actual features that each family of GPU offers and for example I took a poll actually the other day and you guys weighed in I said price and performance aside which family of GPUs has better features overall and so for Nvidia I was talking about things like ray tracing and DL SS and so forth and with AMD there they're newer features like anti-lag Radeon image sharpening there's also some existing features like chill and stuff like that and there was an overwhelming majority of you that that said that you favor the Nvidia features so I think that mostly boils down to ray tracing ray tracing really got off on the wrong foot initially when it first launched because of just how it was presented how there was virtually zero support for it because of how how damaging it was to performance just to enable it and how you really needed to have like a 20 80 or 20 80 TI to really even enjoy it to some degree on the very few games that it did support but now it's a little bit different you know it's been it's been quite a while since that since that happened and we're seeing increasingly you know just more and more support for ray tracing and a lot more games it seems like it's something that's here to stay Nvidia sort of being the top dog in the GPU space for for quite a while now you start to see a lot of developers just hop on the bandwagon all right whatever Nvidia is doing we're gonna support it we're gonna move the sport I'm sure Nvidia is investing tons of dollars into making ray tracing just more prevalent and more relevant to gamers overall so they can obviously bump up you know puff up their chests and bump up the the feature set make it look better make ray tracing support on a hardware level much more appealing to the average gamer and they've certainly done that the performance is getting better more games are being supported it seems like every other week we're seeing like a new game that now supports ray-tracing and but bunch of people doing videos on it like I look so good and you know the performance isn't as bad as it used to be so I can see why this poll result is what it is the AMD features on the other hand I feel like have a lot of good niche applications I feel like there are some people like eSports players eSports gamers who are you know really looking to save that extra frame or two in games anti-lag can provide that but I know for me just speaking personally I am NOT a good enough gamer I don't have fast enough reflexes to benefit from something like anti lag if I'm speaking honestly and I think that's a majority of gamers we're not all Pro leet gamers I'm sure a lot of us think you know some people think they are but at the end of the day it's it seems like a more niche feature image sharpening bear in mind I haven't had a chance to test out any of these AMD features but just from the general consensus is that rate racing seems to be a bit more relevant and more desirable of a feature and I think that's also because it's been around longer it's had time to grow and develop who knows what you know improvements could be made upon these existing AMD these brand new AMD features down the line but for now AMD I'm sorry Nvidia seems to have a leg up on the feature game their feature game is strong to say the least so I guess my point I'm trying to make here is that the AMD cards right now price the performance if you're just looking at GPU if you're just needing a gaming performance these are a better value than their direct competitors so but if you care about features and you want ray-tracing support on a hardware level because these do not support you know don't support hardware based ray-tracing then that could easily sway your decision and you shouldn't feel bad for choosing either or it just boils down to your preferences and your specific needs as a user so I think Nvidia or I'm sorry AMD has done a bang-up job with these cards I can't wait to see some like custom board partners that board partner cards that aren't so noisy by the way check out gamers nexuses video on the 5700 XT that he just dropped he talks about he goes in depth as usual Steve as about the the actual blower style coolers they're not the best it's a blower style card they're noisy they're hot and he said you know the performance he pretty much drew the same conclusions as I did today but he said wait for the custom board partner cards and from testing this for the last couple days I can definitely agree with that don't buy a blower sell card unless of course you plan to like mount a GPU waterblock on to it then that's definitely a viable reason but yeah that's that that's pretty much what it boils down to you guys it's it's pretty exciting to see AMD just like actually outperforming Nvidia in the GPU space for the same price I can't remember the last time that's happened it's been years honestly so you know features aside even though ray-tracing seems more appealing like just from a performance standpoint price to performance standpoint this these these cards are really cool I mean that figuratively of course no no thermal testing has been done on this day but that's pretty much gonna conclude it for me guys I wanted to keep this short and sweet to the point there's a lot of other content out there that I suggest you guys watch to get a wider sample size as always but thank you so much for tuning in to the stream let me know in the comments whether you're watching this live or after the fact if this works for you this type of content works for you like streaming benchmarks is the first time I've ever streamed benchmarks I think but it seemed kind of kind of fun kind of a new different idea let me know if you'd like me to do this again for future launches or if this was terrible and I should never do it again and I should bury my head in the ground but I'm gonna get out of here guys they get