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can you see me looking good what's going on I don't see the stream starting on my end yet so I'm just gonna I'm just gonna keep talking until it pops up which would be any second now eh there we go hello hello and welcome this is a live stream that's right that's it's because I'm too lazy to make an actual serious video so weird go live stream this year yeah this this this whole video will be live streamed hello everyone as the title suggests we're gonna recap I'm gonna briefly go over the the e3 announcements that AMD made just recently earlier today and they had a lot of juicy details about Navi a lot of stuff about rising 3,000 most of it that we already kind of knew so yeah I just I just wanted to sort of recap it for you guys in case you missed it and just sort of go through the what I thought were the more important bits of the stream and and just shed a little little light on it how's that sound sounds good looks like I'm seeing no real heinous complaints about bad audio or video so I'm assuming that we're good and I say we just jump into it I started on this lovely freeze frame of Lisa sue CEO of AMD because you could just tell by getting this moment she's got it she's like meditating she's like this this is the moment I've been waiting for this is when we dropped the bomb on Intel alright and and potentially potentially NVIDIA okay there's this competition on both fronts for for good ol AMD so yeah sorry Lyles not here you guys can ride and chat about that I I'm actually not sorry I shouldn't say I'm sorry when I'm not yeah I got to be better about that I'm not sorry okay hopefully you guys can be here alright so she's starting off with the bull then to recap here 50% IPC uplift a lot of focus on cash with this this new architecture and twice before I'm not gonna make her too loud because I'm gonna be changing her volume quite a bit whenever I want to talk over her it's coming nice to be able to talk over the CEO of AMD whenever I want to I feel I feel very powerful right now so here's here's a nice stack here's look at this stack 3700 X at 329 that's gonna compete with the 9600 K yep slight audio delay how much of the way a little bit all right I'm gonna try to fix the delay as best I can but I don't know if it's gonna work the thinking about audio delay is that I might have to stop I have to end the stream and restart it which I don't know I'm not really willing to do because I just know how that goes unless it's super bad yeah some people are saying there's really not that much of a delay so I'm gonna push on forward okay you guys are making me miss Lisa Sue's well-thought-out presentation okay all right so we've got the 3,800 X 4 399 that's 8 core 16 thread as well it's kind of interesting we've got you know to eight cores 16 thread CPUs 3700 X and 3,800 X right here back to back but then for $4.99 you get the 12 core 24 thread CPU which competes I guess directly against the 99 60 X or I'm sorry the 99 the 99 20x from Intel their core I 9 which is $1200 mind you it's more than double the price of the 3900 X which is a risin 9 also it's also an industry-first for AMD risin 9 so I think there's a demo up here somewhere that's insane oh yeah so they're showing that there's this performance benefit to have over Intel with a 3900 X when you compare it to the 99 20x which is much more expensive insane power savings like the efficiency on these chips is nuts and that's partly due to 7 nanometre the process string and a bunch of other factors that they've done yes less than half the price I see that smirky smile of yours Lisa sue I would be doing the same it's well-earned well-earned smirk right what now I'll let her talk a little bit let me show you let me show you first some data and here we compare the 3900 X again now versus the 9900 K okay and this is across some of the top triple-a gaming titles this is in 1080p so obviously these you know these should be taken with a grain of salt because their manufacturer benchmarks and even still it kind of looks like the 9900 case still has the IPC bump over over AMD but Amy's definitely closing the gap so much to the point where it's not really a good selling point for Intel at this point you know you're getting more cores you're getting more more scalability with the platform you can upgrade between you know Ford's forwards and backwards compatibility overclocking on all CPUs on all motherboards you know within within reason there's just a very little very little that Intel's riding on right now with this launch it's crazy this could really turn things around even more Robert a little bit all right gotta love the onstage keynote camaraderie between between corporate officials 120 Hertz monitor on my desk 1440p is where I play I hear some cheers down there you know got a flex on this Robert we trust you we know you're cool impress me so let's take a look at Tom Clancy's division 2 running at 1440p just hit world tier 5 myself gear score 503 if anybody else plays hit me up right and what you see is a very comparable gaming experience but what you really see is the rising 9 3900 X this beautiful monstrously powerful 12 core CPU delivering an incredible gaming experience so yeah they're testing it 1440p sure I mean it would have been more CPU bound and really shown a bigger difference I think had they dumped it down to 1080p but I think this is more of a realistic test all things considered because if you're spending four or five hundred dollars on a CPU you're probably not going to game at 1920 by 1080 unless you're really you're just chasing the you know the 1440p I'm sorry chasing the 144 Hertz refresh or something like that but honestly is a pretty good comparison it looks like the 9900 K on average is still edging out the competition slightly edging out rate AMD slightly but again it's so it's so negligible here okay I don't really like this comparison because he does a streaming comparison here streaming to YouTube 10000 kilobits per second does anyone know one stream at 10000 kilobits per second I mean I get that that you can do it compute computers can do it you can handle it but can our viewers actually watch actually watch it at that resolution or that bitrate feasibly it's kind of like right forcing viewers to watch 8 K but it is a very telling demo saying that it's a very telling demo demonstrating that you know there's a bit more future proofing here I guess when when like say streaming eventually scales to that level yeah like you guys are saying like usually 4000 kilobits per second on Twitch is like good spot so a bit of an excessive demo but definitely shows the power of the I think you need a 12 core processor for gaming it's nice to have look at the rise in 730 800 X in action you know my point earlier was that at every price point we're giving gamers something special and this time so this is the 8 core 3800 x7k across the same titles in 1080p and what do you see again kind of the same trend here right hey I think Intel's edging them out a little bit and if these are somewhat skewed benchmarks because they're manufactured benchmarks then I would assume that IPC is still favoring Intel but again they're hot on their heels a he is hot on their heels my friends surprising seven stack you said it Lisa but look I said I have something for everyone so now let's turn to the rising five stock and frankly there are a lot of piece of users who might have a budget of let's call it two hundred to two hundred and fifty dollars so yeah I mean that they look at the data they look at research and stuff right and they they go okay most people want the twelve core the most the hype is around the 12 core maybe the eight core but the budgets the wallets the realistic scenario is that most people are spending two to $250 on a CPU so here it is this is the sweet spot for rising three thousand thirty six hundred and thirty six hundred x very attractive price points here at both six core twelve thread all right you still get to all that SMT goodness higher clock speeds out of the box with the XQ as always and they're comparing it to the 9600 9600 K here which again I think better bang for the buck on AMD side but just absolute raw performance maybe going to Intel I'll show you rising five for the first time alright bringing Robert back the bringing Robert back holy crap hold the phone I'm gonna get a twelve core processor but it's also true that most customers buy a $250 CPU that's what people can afford and so our job is to give you the best hey who you callin people it sounded racist fifty dollars maybe maybe I'm a person that could afford $80 CPU you don't know that title that requires hundreds of frames per second we're gonna show you side by side our csgo dollars CPU with six cores and twelve threads versus theirs and again ok I see a very comparable gaming experience upwards of 300 frames a second and any csgo player will tell you that every frame counts because if you're trying to 360 noscope want someone every frame matters so he made a 360 noscope reference legit gamer head you're getting an amazing I'm scared gaming experience Roberts great guy nice price and that all right so we get it 3,600 ex still free bangin bangin value there's the whole stack right there let's get let's get one more shot of that alright so you can see that big difference here with rising 3000 is compared to previous generations that they're really targeting a much wider range of price points pretty much all up and down the line from 200 all the way up to 500 and maybe maybe even beyond that - who knows but there's certainly more more ground that they're covering alright but you know yes it's time to go to the other half of the ultimate game platform and now it's time to talk about Navi our next-generation GPU ah Feliz Navidad here we go Oh God again with the teaser videos like we get it we're we're already hyped for it you don't need to spend extra marketing dollars on this garbage come on just get to the it's very very attractive look at the graphics that retraced nope it's not knobby it's not it's not very traced there will be no ray tracing at Navi no heart bear but they're gonna wait til the industry's ready for matrix which i think is a if I hear one more comment about Lyle in the comments you will never see him again die just shake the business yes you already know we are all right I'm gonna skip around here seven nanometer they're using a whole new architecture built from the ground up seven nanometer our DNA is what they're calling it there's been a huge emphasis again on cash they're looking for faster clock speeds with lower power so overall better efficiency that's it that's it Lyle is never coming back you guys you guys just killed Lyle I hope you're happy you know shame on you you're your own monster really your own worst enemy okay keep going Lisa you're doing great streamlined graphics pipeline okay here's the reveal here's the reveal of the actual card you guys probably already seen it floating around but here's the reference rx 550 700 XT Oh oh it looks like a blower are they are they blowing us AMD's going for the blow all right okay that so shiny all right so I actually heard that they decided to go with the blower style shroud for their reference design to keep the cards performance consistent if people are gonna be buying the reference GPU they want it to be consistent because it's it's gonna have its own little self-contained cooler it's gonna exhaust hot air out the back of the chassis it's not gonna circulate it within the case like for example the founders edition cards from video well and since there's no guarantee as to what kind of chassis users are gonna be putting this card inside AMD's arguments there their whole pitch for blower style card is that it's just gonna offer more consistent temperatures performance noise and all that sort of thing across the board so whether you agree with that statement or not yeah you know it's it's still a blower card they've they've you know as always they say it's it's much quieter it's like quiet to the point where it's not even a problem but they've said that many times in the past many companies have and and time and time again they're usually wrong we'll see how this stacks up and if it is quiet then what what are the temperatures look like you know something's got to give somewhere the redditors all right so specs here for the 5700 xt 4 compute units 9.75 teraflops 8 gigs of GD d are six people some people were speculating that there might be more but i think 8 gigs is this is enough i mean it's enough for now some a little extra Headroom would have been fine but you know it's it's fast G to the r6 memory now we have an interesting new clock speed here a new metric seventeen hundred and fifty five megahertz game clock what the heck is a game clock so there's still bass clock you know it's sort of like your nominal sort of you know fundamental starting point six hundred sixteen hundred and five and then you have a boost clock which is gonna you the the cards gonna target that when it sees fit you know when thermal and power limitations are are paving the way for it the gates open and that's going to be okay Spike's it's not gonna be sustained at at nineteen hundred and five megahertz it'll hit that whenever it can to give you this just a little bit of boost there but a game clock from what I understand what AMD's told us us press is that this is sort of like a semi guaranteed clock speed of what your cards gonna be able to hit in a particular game or in in any game really now they did say there's exceptions to every rule and that occasionally you might see some title here and there actually dip below that but they said for the most part that's that's sort of what to expect your GPU to run at at a minimum regardless of of what game you're playing they also mentioned that you know just with the boosting algorithm that that they have in the card that most of the time you're gonna see the clock speed actually somewhere in between the game clock in the boost clock so you might see somewhere in between you know eighteen hundred and sixty megahertz or something like that sustained so it's it's kind of interesting there was there are many questions circulating around what the heck game clock is and why it is who it is what's its motive but you can also see here the the pin layouts one one six one six and one eight pin so you get a one eight one six and it's the same on the RX 5700 so but but the TDP s are slightly different obviously obviously slightly slightly higher for the xt model vapor chamber cooling it's got a weird contour in the shroud itself that's supposed to help with acoustics but it really just kind of looks like someone made a dent in the card if you look at certain images maybe even the one in the thumbnail of this video it looks like there's like someone like someone punched the card and there's like a little dent in it looks a little weird but you know if it helps things functionally then i guess it's it's worth it it's hard to sort of measure that though so they have a little test going on here our TX 2070 versus the rx 5700 XT 1440p this is World War Z I believe and it's kind of hard to see okay yeah you definitely get some uplift there obviously grain of salt we don't really know the full testing conditions amazing result a hunt nice little uplift there versus our competitors 102 frames per second what do you think about that what do you think about that what do you think about that I like all these people on the red Radeon shirts we're not biased at all because comes from our heart we've just taken the best score from each of the GPU manufacturers and we said put the best versus the best so that way there's no trickery and you can see that in its class in the $409 class the RX 5700 xt beats the competition and beast it consistently all right show us those benchmarks one more time okay let's go back here did you hear that you guys catch what you're saying they're areas okay so in the red you've got the 5700 XT and then the gray is the 20 of the r-tx 20 70 now what he said was these are what they're calling best - best benchmarks and you can kind of see the description here on the left side best performance API for both GPUs at max quality so basically what that means is they tested both cards presumably on all the API is that they could as long as the game whatever title supported it and then whatever the the highest number regardless of API was they put that on the graph so you might be looking at a DirectX 12 result for for the r-tx 2070 here in Metro Exodus but then you're looking at potentially a Vulcan score for your for your rx 5700 XT so that's it's very clear I want to make that very clear as transparent as possible it's nice that they did list that on the side there but you know it's it's not necessarily apples to apples as as vanilla as you could make it but you know it's an interesting kind of way to certainly done you know obviously with the hopes of favoring ad I don't think they would have chosen that benchmarking method unless it looked better on on the grass for them trickery and you can see that in its class no trickery stop your black magic okay fifty-seven hundred so this is the non XT slightly more affordable card we'll get to prices at the end 36 compute units seven point nine five teraflops still pretty respectable you still retain eight gigs of GTD are six so you can see this either way like oh you don't get any more memory there your frame buffer is the same size if you scale up to the XT or you could look at it what at the opposite way you know the glass is half-full where's like oh you don't lose any memory if you go down to the 5709 XT so take your pick seventeen hundred and twenty five megahertz boost that's sixteen hundred and twenty five megahertz game clock and fourteen sixty five megahertz base so again we're gonna be hovering most of the time if this is all to be true somewhere between sixteen hundred and twenty five and seventeen hundred and twenty five megahertz sustained wall under load of course manually overclocking how does it compete against your competitors I was later manic thanks for popping in so this is supposed to be a really one of the most demanding things you can do in apex Legends is to throw this grenade and yeah so apparently that tanks the frame rate pretty well and so they did a quick benchmark here 72 to 88 kind of interesting would have liked to see just an apex benchmark like playing you know a match or like running through the same part of a map that might have been a bit more realistic but okay so 1440p benchmarks again these are best - best benchmarks depending on that are reliant on the best api between each card so now they're comparing the RX 5700 to the RT x 2060 the game the games look pretty good here yeah you can definitely see metro is like killing it here because of wolken in battlefield battlefield 5 is also doing pretty good there because I wanted to get you excited about how much we put in just in terms of raw performance all that kind of new gaming so much excite with our DNA yep we got out and also first first gaming GPU to really support PCI Express 4.0 right out of the box that may not have the biggest application in gaming surprise like ironically for a gaming card to have it gaming is probably the last thing that PCIe gen 4 is gonna benefit it's more so super fast storage you know if you've got a bunch of PCIe Gen 4 nvme SSDs for example in a raid setup you can really take advantage of that bandwidth or if you're editing they actually showed us a demo am needed of a 8k editing workflow and just just just general playback was a lot smoother being able to utilize that PCI agent for bandwidth then say on channel 3 so I guess if you're a really high-end content creator then it might come in handy but for gaming not a whole lot not a whole lot of dividends to be had there alright fidelity FX is their open source sort of image quality development tool so they're putting this on GPU open so that devs can have their way with it and implement it into their games which means that this feature isn't going to be available on every game the developer has to choose to integrate it but it's it's kind of interesting it basically changes like the contrast of certain textures in-game certain scenes so that it brings out more detail they become more crisp and here's a before-and-after off on the left on on the right you can kind of see on the asphalt there it looks a bit more detailed certainly looks a bit less blurry and you can even tell on the wheel maybe not as much this is a very subtle thing that could go a long way depending on the game that you're in but I think the biggest thing here is that there's very little performance kind of see I mean I think they were saying and csgo for example they went from like 153 to 151 FPS it's it's pretty marginal it's definitely one of a one of those subjective things to some people are gonna prefer it on others are probably gonna like it off here's another example before and after with Borderlands 3 again very subtle change here that I guess depending on your own individual eyes and the game itself might have a bigger impact or a smaller impact but very little performance impact yes there's the AMD fanboys again so if you that they kind of have some other alternative here if if game developers aren't putting fidelity effects into the games they actually have AMD Radeon image sharpening or are is this is gonna be supported on pretty much any game it's kind of like an automatic thing that you can just turn on regardless of game because it's it's actually a function that's built into the driver the Radeon drivers so you don't need to wait for a dev to put it in the game you can just fire it up yourself it all just works on the fly it just works it just works and it essentially does the same thing you know enhances contrast makes things a bit look a bit more detail on the surface and this is just a nice graph showing the the performance the performance impact I mean you're still getting 90 98 to 99 percent of the frames that you would be if you had turned the feature off talk about anti anti legs probably one of the coolest features that they're rolling out to a server when you're playing an eSports game is one of the most frustrating things and so we took a look at that said how can we improve the lag between the GPU and the monitor and one way to do that is to take a look at how we deliver the software from the GPU to the monitor and see if we can to get some of that lag this is the feature to do that for you and what I'd like to do is bring Robert back up on the stage explain a lot about the deaf third time and 3p gamers are gonna love it Rob are you doing this guy I just get so tired walking so gamer is all these wheelchair kebab getting higher frames per second because that reduces input lag or the time between clicking a mouse or pressing a button and that's showing up on the screen there's a name for that it's called motion to photon latency click a button straight in your eyeballs at 60 frames a second two photon latency about four frame MTPA of lag four frames that's a lot so let's show two systems with the radio or 100x T versus the r-tx 2070 both running at around 60 frames a second and in green you can see did that motion of photon latency it's about 57 milliseconds from the time you press a button on your mouse your keyboard to the time it comes out of the monitor into your eyes driving what comes on to the monitor and into your eyes excu back up for a second oh whoa Robert the frame Yuva from the unstained you're welcome on today lower even at the same frame rate so what we're gonna do is we're gonna enable Radeon anti-lag and you'll see that on the RF 9700 XT you're gonna give us the before and after Robert about 40 how much are we getting input lag look at that which is a full frame frame and a half of improvement without over what you would have without this feature so if you're looking for that competitive advantage in DotA League csgo where every frame matters okay so this is obviously gonna vary its effectiveness from gamer to gamer I think you really have to be into eSports and have fast responsiveness in general fast reaction times to benefit from this like I'm a terrible gamer like I wouldn't even notice if it was like one lag one one frame or two frames of lag of difference it wouldn't make much of a difference to me but there are a lot of gamers out there who would benefit from this and the way it essentially works is anti lag is is targeting GPU bound scenarios mostly when the CPU is kind of just twiddling its thumbs waiting for the GPU and then when the GPU finally catches up well the CPU it sort of drags the CPU down with it so that that motion to photon latency is increased and the amount of time that you actually see a keystroke or a mouse click registered on your screen is delayed because the GPUs held up so they what they essentially do is they they kind of like sync both the the CPU and the GPU instructions so they can run them side by side work on the same frame or whatever to effectively reduce the the amount of lag by like you said up to a frame or two depending so it's kind of interesting the other thing about that is that you are gonna incur a little bit of a performance hit but it's again so slight again I think they were saying like 100 and 140 down to like 138 it's it's pretty negligible oh oh geez I'm completely missing the price here so all right so for 49 for the 500 XT and 379 for the non XT these are directly competing with the rx r-tx 2060 and 2070 cards now let's let's talk about these prices here there's been a lot of mixed reactions so far I even did a Twitter poll and actually let me check on that Twitter poll let me see how it's doing right now give me that tweet asks hey can I just put this up look at that look at that all right so so far thirty three hundred thirty three hundred votes have have rolled in so far and it looks like most you are somewhere in between being impressed and underwhelmed but it seems like the majority of you I would say between those two camps are happy with the pricing 30% impressed versus 60 19% underwhelmed and I think I'm somewhere in the in-between group myself I think you know like someone said in on Twitter these prices are good they seem fair but they're not so competitive to the point where Nvidia couldn't retaliate very easily you know there's been speculation that they might be releasing more r-tx cards maybe there will be like a 20 60 TI or 2070 TI and that could theoretically shift the pricing of their existing r-tx cards down to be more competitive with na'vi so it remains to be seen and I felt like the whole time when we were getting briefed on on na'vi earlier this weekend we just kept going well it sounds good you know everything that you're saying sounds good but we got to know the price we got another part because they didn't reveal the price to us during the event I found out the same time you guys did on this livestream so we all just kept saying well it just depends on the price and now that we know the price it's like well it's kind of kind of depends on the performance because you know again grain of salt here we have to wait and see what the reviews are gonna show us my own review included and and really see how competitive the performances with the are txseries cards that they're going up against that'll determine how I feel how we all feel I think in the end with with the pricing here but there's hope these prices aren't out of line you know you wouldn't look at them and go oh well there's just there's no way that they can make this work so we'll have to wait and see you know there's there could be some other weird thing throwing off the GPUs maybe it's got some overheating issues or some acoustic problems that are uncomplete ly unforeseen I'm just speculating here I have no idea but assuming the performance is where it should be I think we have a pretty good chance of of kind of having decent competition because right now the r-tx 2070 is going for about 500 bucks I was looking on Newegg earlier today you can't really find it for much cheaper than 500 bucks so the 4:49 price point I think is is actually the more impressive one for the for the xt model for the 5700 xt because you're undercutting nvidia by 50 bucks but the RT x 2060 i think is a bit more competitively priced you can find one for around 350 340 u.s. dollars depending on where you look and that that's obviously lower than what the MSRP is for the 5700 so we'll just have to wait and see we'll just have to wait and see won't we but that's pretty much all I got for now guys because at this point they just start rambling on about games which I get its e3 you're supposed to talk about games but we don't we don't really care too much about that I mean we do but not not for the sake of this video so guys that is going to be my lazy lazy stream for today that's going to conclude it thanks so much for watching I will make sure that I kill while right after this so that you guys never get to see him again because you broke my rule of talking about him in chat and I'm just a little salty that you guys would choose him over me but screw all of you thank you very much again and I'll see you guys very soon let me know what you think in the comments if you're watching this either right now or after the fact let me know what your expectations are for na'vi and rise in 3000 as well guys thanks so much for watching have a go and i'll see you guys later all right