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what's up guys welcome back to the channel today we are taking a look at the entry level or the cheapest SKU in the rising family which is the r7 1700 if you guys missed my 1800 X versus 6900 tape video go ahead and check that out I'll put it in a card somewhere but this is more so about that entry-level r7 chip that a lot of you guys are probably going to have your eyes on because it is at a lower price point of just three hundred and thirty dollars MSRP that is us and that pricing also puts it right in line to compete with intel's kb lakes core i7 7700 k which is their flagship chip within that family so we're going to be stacking those two chips up against each other today in a series of seven different games to really get an idea of which one is the better deal or best bang for your buck if you are going to be building purely a gaming PC now the specs of the 1700's interestingly enough are very similar to that of the 1800 X but obviously for significantly cheaper we still got the 8 core 16 thread count the combines 20 megabytes of l2 and l3 cache the only two big things that are different here between those two chips is the out-of-the-box frequency so we're seeing a base clock of three gigahertz with a boost of 3.7 on the 1700 and a 65 watt TDP that's significantly lower them a 95 watt TDP of the 1800 X which is already a lot lower than something like the 69 hundred K so hopefully we're going to be able to take a look at thermals just a little bit later on in this video and see just how much cooler this chip is then say the 7700 K especially we're going to be overclocking both of those speaking of overclocking I was curious to see what kind of frequency we could hit with our 1700 by tweaking things in the BIOS and sure enough we were able to hit 4.0 gigahertz at one point 3 6 5 volts if you remember in the 1800 x video I did a stock V core of that ship is 1.35 so I decided to dial it in a little bit further this time around because I really wanted that nice even 4 gigahertz mark and we were able to do it it's rock-solid stable if you're willing to dial in a manual overclock you can probably get similar performance with the 1700s as you can with the 1800 X as we see from this 4 gigahertz overclock as well as the gaming results were about to see in a bit as from 7700 K being the overclocking champ that it is we were able to take that to 5 gigahertz quite easily with about 1.4 to 1.41 volts in the BIOS so that was all fine and dandy let's go ahead and take a look at some of our testing hardware on the AMD testbed I'm using the exact same hardware that I did on the 1800 X setup with the exception of the CPU of course we've got that knocked to a cooler that was provided to me by AMD themselves as well as the MSI X power gaming titanium on the 370 X chipset we've also got 16 gigs of Corsair Vengeance lpx ddr4 3000 as well as a GTX 1080 founders Edition running at stock frequencies our boot drive is the SX 900 from a data that's a 512 gig disk and our power supply is a 1600 watt unit from lleva for our 7700 K Intel testbed we're using a hyper 212 turbo from Coolermaster as our air cooler both of these coolers by the way their fans were maxed to 100% throughout the entirety of today's tests we've also got a z2 70 gaming Pro carbon motherboard from MSI same memory and same graphics card as our AMD testbed that's all being duplicated here HX 750 watt unit from corsair and a one terabyte rd 400 SSD from OCZ this thing is blazing fast but it's not going to give us an advantage in terms of frame rates or gaming performance over the SSD the SATA 3 SSD so just bear that in mind it's just going to lead to reduced loading times and things of that nature but those are pretty much all the specs of what we're using today I did want to mention that we're also using the latest Nvidia driver which is three seven eight six six additionally all seven of the games I ran today were tested at 1920 by 1080 I threw out 1440p and 4k benchmarks altogether because I'm trying to eliminate any sort of GPU bottlenecking across the board and that's just going to help us determine which of these CPUs is actually the better deal I know a lot of you guys who are gaming at hyper 1080 resolutions interested in getting the 1700 are really just curious to see what kind of frame rates you can get at those pixel counts however the only way we're going to expose weaknesses between these chips is by tailoring our benchmark environment to be primarily CPU bound so hopefully that makes sense I didn't quite have time to test all the resolutions so you'll forgive me for being a one-man crew maybe that's something we can do in a follow-up video on that note why don't we go ahead and jump into our first benchmark which is doom and the superb sets the stage here with the 7700 K pulling ahead of the 1700 pretty much on the average frame rates as well as low-end 99.9% I'll we actually saw a 9% lead with average FPS going from 179 on the 1700 to 195 at these on the 7700 K and that trend sort of continues with the low-end numbers as well we see a similar result take hold in ashes of the singularity with average frame rates for the 7700 K being sixty six point six compared to be fifty nine point eight on the 1700 which gives us an 11 point three percent gain on the Intel flagship KT Lake unfortunately I don't have any 1% or 0.1% lows for you guys in this test particularly because fraps wasn't recording properly while I was running the preset benchmark but this still gives us a pretty clear indication of the IPC lead that we've got with the 7700 K in battlefield one the 1700 keeps pace very nicely with the 7700 K you can see here we've got identical frame rates on average as well as one percent load there was a slight dip on the 1700's 0.1% lows but overall not too bad very smooth gameplay experiences across both platforms I really couldn't tell the difference and battlefield 1 is one of the more recent titles in today's suite of benchmarks that's heavily optimized for multiple threads and cores so I think those extra four cores and eight threads on the 1700 are really working in its favor for this particular test on the other hand leave it to GTA 5 at 1080p to expose any weaknesses of a particular chip we see just an absolute crushing victory here with the 7700 K yielding 93 average our 93 frames per second on average which is a 31% gain over what the 1700 was able to achieve at just 71 fps and the 1% in point one percent lows obviously reflect this as well it's kind of interesting because GTA 5 is such a heavily threaded application yet we're seeing such lackluster performance with the 1700 which has obviously more cores and threads at its disposal I think a small explanation for this is that we're just seeing a more refined architecture at this point in the game from Intel as we are from AMD because I mean if you think about it Rison has been in the works for four years now which means they started developing Rison you know in 2013 and I think just the fact that Intel has been reiterating their architecture every year or two really has allowed them to just get into the groove as opposed to a m.d still trying to find their footing i think that could in some small way explain what's going on here and again we're seeing this trend continue here in Metro last light with the 7700 K yielding 11% more frames per second on average than the 1,700 and we're getting pretty low 1% and 0.1% loads as well which do you indicate a little bit of choppiness for our AMD chip here and hopefully we can see some big improvements on this end in the next six months to a year moving forward because of their press event two weeks ago AMD was very adamant about working more closely with game developers big game developers very similarly to how they and NVIDIA already do that on the graphic side of things AMD wants to bring their CPU architecture to the game developers in order to optimize games more heavily for multi-threaded applications so who's to say when exactly that's going to happen and what kind of impact that's going to make in the long run but it is something to look forward to now so far in our tests we have managed to avoid any instances of GPU bottlenecking as intended however here we have a CPU idle neck with overwatch at 1080p simply because we've got a GTX 980 and this game is just not very intensive to begin with so that's why we see a very minimal gap across the board between both of our chips we can safely assume that if we were to crank up the resolution and once again put put a load on the GPU that we would probably start to see that gap widen in favor of the 7700 K the last game that we tested was watchdogs too and this is also a title that scales very heavily on all the cores we saw an average frame rate of 84 with our 7700 K and an average FPS of 78 on our 1700 which gives us a total lead of 7.7% of course for Intel and actually this particular test is fairly representative of the overall average frame rates rendered across all seven of our games with the 7700 K rendering 127 FPS on average and the 1,700 yielding 118 given these figures we can use basic maths to deduce that the 1700 on average rendered 7% fewer frames than the 7700 K and if you factor in pricing the 1700 is only three percent cheaper so in that and that's at the MSRP of three hundred and thirty dollars so if we're to draw some conclusions based on these numbers I think the data really speaks for itself and my takeaway from these results is that if you are in the market for a gaming PC and you're building it today and you need it right now and that PC is strictly for gaming you're not video editing you're not encoding you're not live-streaming you're just gaming and you need it today then the 7700 K is the better value as we saw you're going to be rendering out seven to seven and a half percent more frames on average than the 1,700 and you're only paying ten to twenty bucks more depending on where you get it of course but overall I think that's worth it however what I said about the 1800 X also applies to the 1700 and that is if you're building a PC that split right down the middle you're gonna be gaming half the time and video editing doing works to workstation stuff live streaming the other half of the time then the 1700 is the better option I would say I would probably recommend I would definitely recommend it if you are going to be doing sort of a jack-of-all-trades scenario where multi-threaded heavily multi-threaded applications that are non gaming related are going to be thrown into the mix so that is where one area where the 1700's really does shine and it is quite a deal because I think on the Intel side of things if you were to up to a six core twelfth read part that could compete with that in that same space you'd be looking at the 6800 K which is at least around $100 more maybe a little bit you know eighty to a hundred dollars more than 17-hundred alternatively if you don't need a gaming PC right now I would highly suggest waiting to see what other rising SKUs will be offering once they launch because we don't know exactly what the price points will be we know that they'll be more aggressively priced than the current stack of our seven chips those might fall more in line with your expectations and needs also we just don't know like I was mentioning earlier where the architecture where the rise in architecture is headed with AMD working more closely with game developers who knows we could see sort of like an AR X 480 thing or even though that's more driver implement implemented how the performance of the AR X 480 has just kind of skyrocketed since it launched because there's been all these iterations to the drivers similarly we may eventually see some nice performance gains from Verizon as AMD continues working more closely with game developers and and sharing their cpu architecture with them in order to develop games more tailored for higher core and thread counts but I think that's pretty much going to do it for now guys let me know what you think of the results in the comments below and also feel free to toss me a like on this video you enjoyed it more tech stuff coming out really soon guys be sure to subscribe to the channel if you haven't already you can also check out bit with ultra my new paid subscription channel where you get all my content ad free and a week early so go ahead and check that out links in the description below I'll put cards and stuff all over the place but I'm going to go ahead and get out of here guys have a good one I love you all thanks again for watching and all that jazz and I will see y'all in the next video