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your two options so we're going to be doing a battle of the thousand dollar CPUs today to sort of celebrate this kick-off launch Ivan right in let's take a look at some of our specs side-by-side between each of these CPUs again 16 cores and 32 threads with our 1950 X whereas our 7900 X gives you significantly fewer cores and threads for the money 10 cores and 20 threads still no slouch it's definitely the most cores and threads we've seen from Intel at $1,000 to date but it still kind of pales in comparison to thread Ripper but we'll see if that actually makes a huge difference when it comes to workstation applications and gaming performance on our 7900 x we get a bass and boost clock of 3.3 gigahertz and 4.3 gigahertz respectively with a 4.5 gigahertz burst which is basically a part of the max turbo Technology 3.0 from Intel which will take its favorite core or sometimes more than one core I'm not sure at least one core and it will spike it up to four point five gigahertz assuming that you have power and thermal Headroom we've also got three point four gigahertz and four gigahertz base and boost respectively for our 1950 X part with a 200 megahertz X if our boost so potentially up to 4.2 gigahertz assuming you have the headroom thirteen point seven five megabytes of l3 cache on the intel side 32 megabytes of l3 for thread Ripper and one of the biggest differences that's most talked about between these two chips and the platforms in general are the PCIe gen3 lanes so we've got 44 with the 79 hundred x and sixty-four PCIe lanes with the 1950 X in fact all of the thread Ripper parts that have been announced so far are sporting 64 PCIe gen3 lanes we've also got a big difference in TVP 140 watts on the 7900 X and 180 watts on the 1950 X we'll see if that actually equates to a big difference in thermals once we put a load on each of these systems lastly we have both camps supporting quad-channel ddr4 memory it's worth noting that all of the SKUs in the thread Ripper family are supporting this whereas only skylake X parts are going to be equipped with quad channel support when it comes to KT like X for example you're going to be limited to dual channels so if you're buying a motherboard that's not specifically tailored for Kb like X then you will not have access to some of your memory channels in fact half of your DIMM slots will not be usable so bear that in mind testing hardware on on the on the test beds we've got the 7900 X being cooled by a corsair h 110 i which is a 280 millimeter AIO that's on top of an MSI X 299 gaming Pro carbon motherboard with 32 gigs of G scaled tried NZ ddr4 at 3200 megahertz we've also got an Asus Strix GT X 1080 P I which is rocking right out of the box speeds no overclocking involved here just the factory OC that it ships with and that is the same GPU we're using for both systems on the 1950 X rig we've got that being cooled by an Envy xt kraken X 62 which is also a 280 millimeter liquid a oh that's aboard the asus X 399 zenith extreme motherboard along with 32 gigs of g-scale tried NZ RGB at again 3200 megahertz and we were able to hit those speeds on both of those kits no problem within the BIOS now of course before we dive into the benchmarks just a little bit of testing methodology for y'all just so you know exactly how I went about this for our 1950 X I ran all of our tests with SMT enabled so the full 16 core and 32 threads are being fully utilized or have the potential to be fully utilized for all these runs within the UEFI I was able to hit an all core overclocked to 4.0 gigahertz at one point three nine volts I would have liked to go further than four gigahertz or at least try to but after checking my thermals I noticed we were already hitting a max core temperature or max package temp of 79 degrees Celsius so I didn't want to run the system any hotter than what I would feel personally comfortable with my own system at home so that's why I left it at 4 gigahertz you might be able to find some higher clock speeds than that on other review sites and youtubers but that was what I got we were also again able to hit 30 200 megahertz within the UEFI I was using the latest bios at the time which was BIOS 0 3 0 5 that was again on the X 30 99 zenith extreme and within Windows I was using the high performance power plan for the entirety of my tests now along with thread Ripper comes some changes within the rising master software as well so in particular we've got two different modes on one hand we've got creator mode which is recommended by AMD for workstation applications and productivity apps things of that nature and then we have gaming mode which of course is if you're going to be firing up some games the main difference or one of the primary differences between these modes is the memory architecture that they're using so in creator mode we're actually using Yuma which essentially utilizes both of the active dies on the CPU as well as both memory banks all at the same time it sort of just sprawls out like it's full utilization across the entire CPU whereas Numa in gaming mode pretty much only utilizes one die and the memory bank it's attached to before it gets filled up and once that's at a hundred percent load it starts tapping in to the other die and its associated memory bank that's a very high-level explanation of how it works but the end result is that AMD found that by using the Numa memory architecture and gaming mode that they were able to yield about 4 percent better performance on average after testing a hundred different games as it turned out in my testing I did not see any difference whatsoever in performance when gaming in either creator mode or gaming mode it didn't really matter what I was using and again this is only because I was testing for games as opposed to a hundred that's obviously a much larger sample size so if I would have branched out my my benchmark suite to include more games I'd probably start to see a little bit of a performance benefit from from having gaming mode enabled but since I did not I simply tested everything in the default profile that Raisa master comes with which is creator mode because again I saw zero performance difference between each of those either of those modes in our games so for the 7900 X let's move on to that hyper-threading was enabled it's got to be a fair game so if SMT is enabled on thread Ripper hyper-threading should be enabled with our Intel chip I was easily able to hit an overclock of 4.5 gigahertz across all cores at just one point two volts actually fairly low which could partially explain why our Mac's package temperature was much lower than that on the 1950 X only 60 degrees Celsius for our 7900 X that was the max load temperature we saw on the package after the duration of my testing which is fairly good that's 19 degrees cooler than the 1950 X again could partially be explained by the fact that I dialed in a fairly modest OC for 7900 X I've been seeing a lot of people hit 4.8 gigahertz and Beyond on all 10 cores which could explain why we're seeing a lot of people complaining about you know skylake x overheating but not in this case memory again was set in the bios to the rated speed of clearly 200 megahertz with the XMP profile and we were using the latest bios as well at the time of filming for our msi x 299 gaming Pro carbon motherboard a final note before we dive into the benchmarks I decided to run all four of our titles today at various resolutions so we're going to be testing at 1080p primarily to expose any sort of CPU weakness or bottleneck by taking pressure off of the GPU and then also 1440p and 4k because I figure most people who are buying $1,000 cpu for gaming are probably going to be gaming at resolutions beyond 1080p unless they're trying to hop on that 144 Hertz bandwagon we'll talk a bit more about that later on after we see the results so on that note ladies and gentlemen the moment you've all been waiting for here the marks for our $2,000 CPUs not $2,000 CPUs but these two $1000 CPS I'm sure that was obvious whatever all right so ladies and gentlemen that is all the data and now we should probably talk about it so when it comes to productivity editing and rendering and you're strictly getting down to business we kind of saw the two CPUs trade blows the the 1950 X definitely had an upper hand in hand break when we were encoding our 4k 5 minute clip the 7900 X in that test took about 22% longer to finish its encoding than our thread Ripper contender whereas in premiere we actually saw the Intel chip pull ahead the 1950 X took 12 percent longer not not quite as big of a lead for 7900 X here but it did take longer to render that 4k file out what it came to workstation application specifically overclocking seemed to help both camps quite a bit in handbrake we saw both of the CPUs gain anywhere between 10 to 15 percent when overclocking which is pretty impressive and in premiere overclocking gave both of our chips a performance increase of 17 to 19 percent so definitely overclocked if you're gonna be buying either of these CPUs especially your going to be using it for workstation stuff which you should be then overclocking can help quite a bit let's talk about gaming really quick at 4k as expected the CPU is a pretty much neck-and-neck we're not going to see a huge variance in performance between the two simply because we are now severely GPU bottlenecked and because of that this is pretty much a wash when it comes to 3840 by 2160 P and 1440p however we start to see the gap increase the average FPS of our 7900 X they are 26% better or higher than the 1950 X and that was across all four of our games that we tested overall which is pretty significant 26% higher average frame rates at 1440p interestingly enough at 1080p we saw the exact same result with a 70 900 X again scoring 26% higher average frame rates over the 1950 X as an overall score for our four titles tested so what I would conclude here is that if you're spending a thousand bucks on a CPU primarily for gaming and your below 4k then you definitely want to go for the 7900 X because it will just give you consistently higher performance overall especially if you are one of those 14 forearms sorry 144 hurts gamers at 1080p and you have a 1080p display then the 7900 X is probably the best but is definitely the best bet because you know both CPUs provided an outstanding experience when gaming I mean I had a blast gaming and playing around on both platforms however if you are trying to chase that framerate you will be getting more of more frames per second with the 7900 X again at 4k doesn't really matter anything below that 70 100x finally wrapping up with some closing notes here I just want to reiterate that with thread Ripper you do get more PCIe gen3 lanes out of the gate with the 1950 X or any of the thread reproduce for that matter than you do with Intel this is a big deal a lot of people are really hyped up about it this is going to give you more flexibility to do things like multi-gpu setups combined with nvme storage and things of that nature however recent news has just brought confirmation to us that at launch you will not be able to boot off of nvme raid array with thread Ripper this is a support that AMD may potentially add in the future but we don't have a date on that whereas with Intel you get that support right out of the gate and ultimately it's going to be up to you as to how important that feature is on a final note I know I've said this a million times as well as other reviewers out there but Rison really is still maturing it's so new the Zen architecture is still fresh in its infancy whereas you know Intel has been around for so long developers have been optimizing for for Intel alone for so many years now that it'll be interesting to see after there's more optimizations made for higher core count CPUs if we could potentially do a rematch between these two CPUs later down the line let's say six months to a year from now just to see if AMD has gained any leverage over Intel in this particular segment it would be really fascinating to me personally but that's of course a topic for another video so you guys have all the information now it's out there go ahead and watch all the other reviewers all the other youtubers who are talking about the 1950 x and thread refer and comparing it against Intel the more information the better but as always I'm very curious to hear your own feedback and thoughts on this launch in the comments below so blow it up guys let me know what you think about all this crazy stuff and until next time toss me like on the video if you enjoyed it it helps me so much and before you guys go feel free to check out bit wit ultra my ad-free early access channel for about 50 months the first two weeks are completely free and you can back out any friggin time guys as always I'm Kaila bit with thank you guys so much for watching I love you all stay tuned for more tech stuff coming at you really soon and I will see you in the next video