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Shady's back back again guess who's back let's begin its episode 2 so date of the 359 podcast I and B G and then yeah Roger and Alfred here - Wow 1a and G happy Tuesday everyone say happy Monday but it's not Monday it's amazing Monday and that's a very short week for us in the 359 we're gonna have an all AI themed episode today I know the Galaxy Note 8 reviews just came out but they literally came out as the podcast was getting set up so I haven't had a chance to really break it all down we can still talk about it no we won't oh yes if you have questions about it go for it we'll try to will try to ad-lib a little because we haven't read the review yet but we will talk about tomorrow but on - today we're gonna be talking about a couple of AI theme stories of talking alexa dominating the ether trade show in Berlin we'll never talk about Alfred's road trip story out Vegas and how a I was able to is able to protect the city of Vegas from the cybersecurity threats and then lastly Elon Musk stirring up all those AI fear back again with the AI will kill us all there you go World War 3 coming it also he's a lot smarter than I am so maybe and richer probably right smarter and richer so yeah hi so as always if you have any questions in the comment section Brian will pick up the best we'll get to them three minutes and 59 seconds from 3 - welcome to the 359 I'm Roger Chang I'm Alfred Aang Alexa was everywhere the ephah trade showed Berlin last week Cina estimates that there were roughly 30 products tied to Amazon's digital system this comes at a time when Google is trying to make headway with its own assistant and Apple is prepping its Siri powered home pod Alfred sure is your hope dominated by election I have three in my house now right and I echo products I have three echo dots in my house you're a part of it's not that big it's not but I bought one and then I got two for free because of Amazon's mistake shipping the coupon thing so I got two of those places how about your hubby's reported it's I don't know it's like it's like the size of a bus I guess I got a new apartment it's like way larger than my own on a bus yeah just take analogy this is like railroad style car so what do you what do you connect to the literally only speakers because I don't have any bluetooth I don't have any Internet of Things objects but that's more of like I'm really paranoid about security I've actually started setting up like I've connected to an AC I just connected to two lights my bedroom lights yesterday so it's kind of all those things were like when I did really when I didn't have it really care about it was I set it up like I was bringing home my laundry yesterday and I was like putting it down and it was really dark and I was like I really wish I had uh write more Paul Breitner yeah I've also seen that it's connected to smart vacuums which like I feel like that's something I would actually use home but again like all that stuff but that that basically that's the future all right so next up want to talk about CNET road trip you wrote the latest installment which is uh well you did it while you're at DEFCON blackhat Vegas but tell me more about this this AI cyber security so cyber security you know it's obviously a large role at blackhat at DEFCON one of the people that I spoke to was the CTO of Las Vegas like the city itself yeah Mike Sherwood and he talks about how how they handle security for the city and it's all AI based because when I asked him the size of his team it said it was about three people and he can afford to have only three people on his team because he has dark trays in a security company that's one of the first companies that's really like autonomous where that totally sounds ominous tres yes right but it works completely on its own so while I was talking to him his whole team was that blackhat like learning a chilled-out yeah I'm like so who's watching like security for your city is like oh doctor he says like this machine is able to basically search through its entire network and if something goes haywire it automatically stops it on its own so it doesn't really need a person there that's an interesting idea because you know the fear is hackers can figure out ways or yeah so there's also a fear that there's a rule that AI plays in security in like the other side of it and cybercrime right where they're gonna use it to create malware to basically attack because basically what a yeah pretty much and I spoke with Hyrum Anderson who is the founder or one of the you know directors of endgame another security company and he created an a.1 a I'm al where that automatically makes like variations to it until it can defeat like the interest protection and that's why like I think humans are always gonna be necessary for this because like the creativity level of it you know changing things like an AI it's not gonna recognize it but the person like will well it's a good segue to the next story which is Elon Musk once again sparking fears of AI being the catalyst for World War 3 in a tweet of course in a tweet it's just a console because you're talking about AI like what you penny one AI versus another you've got all these countries developing their own AI security systems like how far we eventually it's going to get to that level where it's AI versus AI because we're not gonna be able to be like do like a million samples of malware or like protections in a second like AI can write and it just gets to an issue of like scaling and I think that's what Elon Musk II was warning about where it's basically there's gonna be so much out there and it's just gonna be AI versus AI and you know that there's a lot of concerns when it comes to that all right plenty of AI top and we'll run out of time for those stories of more chicks on scene it I brought to Chang I'm out for hang thanks for the same so Alfred do you make your echo dots compete for your love I actually named them all different names because what are their names it's computer echo and Alexa because I had all echo as you all sort of yeah you know I'm like no no too many people it's true if only they could all sync up together which I mean they kinda announced the multi room thing yeah but they don't work with Bluetooth speakers like they have to be plugged into a Lego speaker which makes no sense it's dumb I'm sure they'll fix it and if if somehow I get a fourth one it might end up in my restroom I don't I don't know what do you I don't know what to do with all do you want to Alexa to be in your restroom that's weird man like to find out like the weather and the Newt is basically a radio for me at this is literally I only play music on it yeah I play kids music and I control my lights of my my air conditioner what do you do with your Alexa or any sort of home assistant yeah let's not let's not I will say about the ephah stuff Google home but no thief of stuff I can't believe that it's on a piano yeah I don't know why why not I mean a bigger question it's it's not even that's smart as like an assistant I asked it how to thaw like seaweed salad yesterday I didn't note that I'm sure Google home would have known that we do ask it whether or not it could be human no I saw I saw been doing that though check the did that well you got much more I'm not very conversational with my echo and I know that was the point of Ben's article about you know basically you just say beds articles wrong no no I'm saying like a bizarre that he's not here look all I'm saying the point of his article was like you know Amazon's effort to make Alexa more human yes and I'm like okay I don't do that but I'm sure obviously I do sometimes I say thank you I say goodnight to it as a joke to look like a loser and my joke is it really like I'll tell my girlfriend goodnight and then I'll be like Alexa goodnight and then yeah then I look like a loser so okay mission accomplished alright so it's time to take questions of comments in the chat go ahead and send them on in we're gonna shout out Irene Jeffrey Staci Abdul and our good buddy Matthew Dasher who today by saying Alfred has issues haha what issues could you specify what issues in particulars of the the massive why I chose is it the fact that he says goodnight to pretend to be a loser what what are the issues man you know real issues of CNET Maggie the latest edition which has come out which will be in newsstands when is it coming out I don't know sometime a quarterly it's really hard so in the chat the - uses Alexa to control lights play music and sent morning alarm Josh uses as Google home to play music control lights and Google things yeah sounds about what you're gonna do goes for lights mostly yeah I'm not gonna like I'm not gonna Google things with maybe that's something I could have done and then I was like oh nope you can't can't do that so it doesn't really help you out I'm surprised it may be like you have to download a skill or something yeah but that defeats the whole purpose of like having a voice assistant I don't know yeah I mean there's amount of like if you really wanted to work well there is a bit of I will say this so Amazon was really smart and making the the echo dot like as cheap as it was yeah because and also making Alexa like open-source where it could be on like literally everything yeah I really wish Google had done the same thing I'm pretty sure they're gonna come out with their version there are a number of products that Aoife that have Google system yeah but do they have like a $30 or like Google home yet not yet yeah that's gonna that's like probably gonna happen yeah and I wish that that had come out sooner because now have three echo dots and I'm like I'm like deeply embedded yeah yeah there's no way you're buying home now right you're just like I'm in the echo ecosystem so you know if Google wants to have some kind of accidental glitch where they give them out for free I'm here alright right that was the Amazon that was the only reason why I have three so you caught on in time for that glitch yeah that's great all right my wife was pissed that I didn't catch on fast enough like you wore for a text say how did you not know about this I was at a meeting it's it's good nature to not exploit that though yeah say wait what never mind I would have exploded great mr. lizard shout-out great mr. looser than chat do you think Google would announce any new info on the home this fall oh that's a good question I would say yeah that's that's a really high chance sure but yeah yeah either some sort of update these capabilities or actual do hardware updates fingers crossed on the cheaper home yeah please like a cheaper version yes yeah give me like a like a budget $30 like like a chromecast pricing yeah Google's done before right yeah he just mentioned the chromecast cuz right now like the my echo doesn't play nice with like my chromecast so I can't play stuff on my TV and I'm like I'm not gonna get like a fire stick for this yeah so you know either play nice with each other or let me get a cheaper version of Google stuff because I like to use their ecosystem way more yeah I myself into and kind of stuck in the echo ecosystem but I do have a fire stick which I like yeah so it plays nice with that though right like you can play stuff on your TV from that that's brand-new though that the you an older fire stick right I have an older fire stand so it doesn't really make a difference not much not much and then I wonder like once there's newer versions of the home and once there's you know you know like Google assistant on like Sony speaker or whatever yeah do you think that it's gonna suffer from the same fragmentation issue that Android does other people tweak it yeah or like it's not gonna get updates at the same time as like everything else is that's I don't know because there are so many different hoops that you could jump to you for a phone update yeah there's the carrier whether it's the handset maker it might be a little bit different with Google's with the digital systems and just like speakers because yeah they're not it's not complicated right it's not as complicated running through an operating system yeah Alfred I'd like to hear more about your trip to Vegas I know that we always have to kind of breeze over stuff yeah like that in a forum in a podcast but hey that's the glory of the show or minutes baby no yeah I was really cool to see like the way that all the things that they were protecting there's like thousands of devices in this little neighborhood that they have called like the innovation district which I thought was great because it wasn't anything like the smart city right no yeah it was like really rundown it was like there was like I passed by like three Bail Bonds shops and to be fair like yeah there are huge parts of Vegas that when you're outside of this trip that don't look yes but they're China like Rihanna like like rejuvenate the neighborhood I guess with like smart like light bulbs and smart like stoplight or things like that yeah and it's and it's all it's it's all like really small sensors which like when you have sensors like that Security's not really like the biggest thing on it so they have to protect all of this and they only have like three people and the AI definitely helps out a lot with that but as I point out in my story that you know there's always gonna be like a need for somebody there to watch over it only because there's other AI attack you you spoke to Garry Kasparov yes former Chester oh yeah a show Garry Kasparov if you're not familiar with him he is the former world chess champion that lost a deep-blue IBM's deep blue computer and he he's now become kind of like the face of you know humans being outsmarted by machines because at the time everyone thought like you know he's like these computers are pretty good but they're not good enough to outsmart like humans until 1997 when he lost that chess match and he brings up like a lot of really good points where basically you know even deep blue was like kind of dumb like I needed like people to like kind of program it and it's like if it plays on its own like enough times like the best you can get is a draw with it but like it's not you're not gonna beat it you're not gonna beat deep blue but there's there's always ways like you can develop an AI to make it like get to a draw right yeah but yeah I mean AI is it's like the way that it's scaling up is like so insane to the point where you can launch so many attacks with AI and like it can block so many but then it gets to a point where eventually it'll get figured out right and I think that it's important to have like a person there to like like stop that like extra step you know let's jump back into home assistance real quick Richard says I'm totally waiting for the home pod and then razz mojo expands do you think Apple will win against the echo No wow that was fast I would obviously not out the gate nothing's gonna be it's definitely gonna be tough there's a battle it's gonna sell well don't get me wrong there are enough Apple fanboys out there that at least early reaction to it will be strong but it's that's always miss thing right like there are always people who gonna line up for an Apple product I think a year two years three years down the line see how well that ecosystem works and how open Apple is I mean that's kind of the issue that's the thing yeah they're not open at all and it's like super expensive you're not gonna see this in every home like the way you see an echo in every home right well I mean I imagine old dole eventually come out with a cheaper version but even even that version is gonna be like yeah budget Oh pod hard to imagine something that's so late to the game usurping the guys that are really kind of like crowning I think now that is yes sir with AI is that AI takes a lot of data takes a lot of human input to get better that's what Amazon's been working on with seating the market with cheap echoes that they did a really good job with it Apple has not only play catch-up but they've got to get a large enough base of customers to submit data they're probably catch up on a field that they cracked into first to like they like but I think no one uses series that's my point yeah so if nobody uses Syria who's gonna spend all this money on a really expensive speaker which should be fair that speakers like gonna be really nice I'm sure and then for Siri on it doesn't mean like well Syria is supposed to be a lot better this next story yeah I mean I'm just saying like for that value you could just buy like a really nice speaker and then just like connect an echo to it would yeah people do that is sort of the counter-argument against yes Sony's already come out with like their speakers which is like I either better better or on par with the the home pod speakers and it's gonna be like a lot you could always get much higher end speakers and connect those to it yeah so cheap yeah that's the thing like Amazon has like the advantage of scale and like yep I mean there's so many pleasing advantage that and I don't want discount Apple offhand because the advantage battle has is the huge base of users if you put in features and tricks and capabilities that are compelling and that only work with your iPhone that helps a lot right like if you can't if there if it does something that's useful and I don't know what that is at this point cuz no one people smarter than me Jefe this out but they could figure out capabilities that are enabled by your iPhone that you can only use with your iPhone that's what I mean that's it a lot of people are Apple hardware loyalists not necessarily Apple software amazon is a household name recognized by people who are in and out of tech and varying degrees and to throw down 50 bucks to get this little thing that helps them do this that in the other or is kind of a fun toy i think it's an easier mark I don't think there's that many useful features yet for like a home assistant like yes we were just talking really only saying that ik again that's the x-factor what to apple's credit they're really good at get convincing you that this new capability or feature is something you want your life right they're gonna sell like wireless charging is rumored to come out with next iPhone mm-hmm they represent it like they freakin invented wireless charging and people also know people are gonna go crazy for it because most folks have never even heard of it cuz they'd be using iPhones all this time they don't know what wireless charging is and so Apple has real knack for presenting different features different capabilities in a way that other people sort of gravitate towards so I don't know that that's why I wouldn't completely discount them from the home speaker market let's talk about customization and exclusives I want to reach out and Christopher Finn he says I want Google assistant to replace Siri on my phone is their way to do that after a jailbreak now none of us here are expert jailbreakers but I'm sure if you fish out into the chat right now you'll find somebody while we're at it the great mr. lizard I'm hoping Google will expand on some partnerships with TV manufacturers the building functionality of the Vizio displays with Google home is pretty neat now that's a smart idea start putting the assistant in regular everyday commodity yeah cast in the TV remote control beat the speaker input like you'd speak as opposed to stick you already have the Alexa built in to the remote control but it's restricted to the functionality of television right if that could be expanded upon I mean is that gonna turn into a world where we walk around with our TV remote in her pocket though my only like thing I feel like that would be like that was being so did you ever have to like fight your siblings over like what channel a while yes so imagine that with voice control in the house oh my god how five tell Evan yeah that'd be fun but the good thing though about the Google assistant that the Amazon in this world anymore Amazon doesn't have yet is that it has the ability to pick up like different voices yes like it can tell the difference between my voice and Rogers voice if like we're talking a Google assistant yeah Amazon doesn't have that yet so I'm wondering you know if that were on the TV I think you could get banned like certain white pitches or something we're like if you're a child you're not gonna be like the TV kind of thing that's pretty good I like it I think that's a good idea alright before we call it a day let's revisit Elon do we think he's being a little too paranoid no I mean I think the scaling of a legitimate non rhetorical question I know I think it's uh I mean you can admit you could easily laugh it off on the surface but if you think of theory like well there's I mean it's one possible logical conclusion I mean the joke we keep making is have you seen terminator I mean he made his statements about AI starting World War three or in response to a statement from Vladimir Putin when he spoke with students saying that the country that develops that masters AI first will rule the world right so this isn't this is it like you know how much it's coming out like saying World War three yeah yeah which to be fair food is a pretty scary guy yeah but like think about like how much like AI can do for for like an entire country if it were like in a perfect state or like in a perfect world you know like manufacturing the economy yeah I'm like I'm not talking about like Alexa like turning the lights on in your home like whatever that's you're talking like building cars by itself yeah cars driving themselves it's like different things that like can be applied with AI and you know for him to say that you know that AI liked can lead to a lot of crazy things like and including like war if you think about like tanks that can operate themselves with drones that know how to write themselves and like attack targets and things like that do not see the list Fast & Furious movie with all the self-driving cars because I could taste yeah it was entertaining until you think about it that's if you should rocket grab a torpedo and throw it well to be fair he like kicked it a little and it made sense I were being fair now too fast appearance of course and now we're dancing yeah but not like that that whole world of like all those AI although that was kind of possible all those cars being controlled by a hacker to basically cause mayhem I mean that's it seems far-fetched in that movie but we're not that far away from that potential reality I mean in a less Hollywood cinema accent yes very boring I saw car hacking when I was at DEFCON er it's not Charlize Theron on a touchscreen controlling where the cars are going true Charlize Theron does make everything seem cooler yeah one more question from the chat this one's for Alfred while you were at Vegas Tom Hanks is really Tom house it's it's the big Hank's Tom Hanks is there any way to detect if someone is stealing data from your backdoors yeah you can you don't have to in your you can have something to like monitor your traffic there's the name of a website that like helps you do it but basically if it's on your Wi-Fi network you can basically detect like all the different places you're like traffic is going to and it should be like a normal thing like so if you're going rila if your tribe is going like Google servers or YouTube servers then like that's normal but if like your traffic is also going on like some like IP address that you're not familiar with then you should probably look into that interesting there's no like automatic app though that's I was like this is sending information of this like kind of thing scary yeah we'll include a link to that in the in the show description when it goes up for on-demand following here but on that note we're pretty much out of questions for the day yeah good coverage a long weekend I think we'll talk about the no date review tomorrow once we have a chance to digest all of it just literally came out as the show was starting up so we didn't have a chance to process it but if you have a bunch of Galaxy Note 8 questions come back tomorrow yeah and on that note Roger bring us home all right if you like Dave that you saw or heard here check this out on CNET our podcast is also available on iTunes TuneIn stitcher SoundCloud P burner and Google Play Music we'll see you all tomorrow see you tomorrow thanks everybody