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Google wants your data and right only made three billion dollars last year and what to expect at Mobile World Congress all that more on this week's edition of welcome I am Justin Eckhouse long side Anton Goodwin hey how's it goin and special guest hey Mark V V hi I'm jmar how's it go meet you all thanks you've been on here before second second pair from the show right you probably spent on other shows too right um tap that up on that all right now show you may hear know him from such shows as as tap that up and i was on here once before and got that app you you a bunch of other stuff for also template at the office you clean the bathroom i clean the bathrooms I have my own broom don't touch it I'm a cube awesome alright well we are going to jump into the show and talk about Google's new privacy policy which is sort of hot off the presses so forgives it forgive us if it seems like we don't know what we're talking about more than usual but you know Google there's gonna be a lot of talk this week I think on scene that live shows about Google's new privacy policy we're going to focus on the Android part of it the deal the basic gist is that they have I don't know what this said like 70 different privacy policies for all their different services right now and what they're trying to do is combine them into one simplified human readable privacy policy which you know when you present it like that I think is a good thing because normally privacy policy policies I think all of us just sort of breeze by because it's you know long-winded and you know you couldn't understand it even if he tried so they want to get rid of the legalese and make it short and simple and what we want to cover here is a couple things this there was sort of a quick analysis done by IT world of how this affects Android and there's sort of four major areas the first is device information google says it's going to collect your hardware model your operating system unique Device Identifier mobile network information including phone numbers and associated identifiers with your google account to me that that first part seems not too scary do you guys have any objections that part I'm surprised they're not already keeping it yeah may well I think they may be are this is just accounted for now in the universal policy instead of the Android specific one all right so it's true than some of this may not be new it just is maybe getting more press than it has before because it was so buried and maybe now it's a little easier to read exactly how we understand we live in a post carrier IQ world where everyone's kind of already got their ears perked it like privacy my information is being tracked by who exactly yes so the second part here is actually what I think will perk up my ears and probably will for you as well Google may save in its server logs your phone number the number you are calling 40 numbers times and dates of calls and SMS routing information it's not entirely clear so this to me is a little scary but it's not entirely clear if this applies to any calls you make or only cause you make through for example google voice or gmail and google+ you know the latter makes sense they're already doing this obviously you know if you go into google voice it shows records of your law you log calls and I know Antoine you use Google ways for everything so maybe is this scary to you at all um it I mean it's not to me because I don't really care about everything too high I don't really care I make like eight phone calls a year nothing to hide well we'll see about that she doing I had to do some digging can you post your call logs in a blog post please today yeah sure but no it's like it doesn't really scare me a particular but I'm not particularly the privacy of verse so it doesn't really i'm not really usually scared about this sort of thing but for some people it is and i mean it definitely is something that I think a lot of people should keep an eye on or you know if they have an opinion on they should you know make known because I mean yeah like logging your phone calls is is creepy but I mean let's be honest that think your carriers do it already right I think even going back to a landline I mean if you're still carry on a landline carrier means somebody's keeping a record of phone calls that you make i fighting already offering every police pretty exactly that's what I'm saying anything from our cell phone records TV yeah they know the phone calls me when you made them where you were when you made them CSI seen it what you were wearing yep most likely GPS coordinates just watching me of the state so my main concern would be if they're tracking it for non google voice type of calls like if I just make a regular phone call on my cell phone and then they track that I guess maybe you can make the argument they're tracking it because they want to preserve your call logs that you have on your phone so if you lose your phone and you want those logs back that you could get them but the questions are like what do they do with that information how do they protect protect it isn't made available for advertisers I mean I want to know more information is what I want to know like if it's only for my own use that's one thing but if it's made available to others if any Google employee who just feels like you can just get in there see who I'm call it gets a little weird maybe we have to lean on the fact that Google's motto is don't be evil I think Google has been a little kinky in the hold not being double know especially of late lately their search results stuff but shabnam that's another show so location information google user device gps Wi-Fi signals nearby and self felt tower triangulation figure out where you are on serve up location focused search results and ads I don't have a big problem with that i like more relevant ads because they're actually interesting ads then if they're saving this and using it for other purposes or doing the carrier IQ kind of like long history of where you have been then i get a little scared I know you check into foursquare everywhere you go so maybe about this nope yeah turn that off all right I stopped chicken foursquare months ago it's just too much mostly it's because it's just too much to do play I get somewhere and I've gotta like I just have it auto tweet where I go and then check ins just I just picked social networking stuck with it yeah for sport was not the one but it's not because of privacy issues I mean but you're just lazy well I mean it's life had the reason I stopped chicken into four squares because I'm lazy but I mean I wasn't like afraid of people knowing where I was uh I don't think anybody cares to be honest yeah I care know people care the only person who cared was like the girl I was competing for from mayorship of my favorite chicken wings by zagg ruins our or I wouldn't do you know I don't know our complete stranger we're like we both go to the same buffalo wing place in a while like getting the mayor hood back and forth and then like I was frustrated cuz I never saw her there and I'm just like how are you getting the mayorship and I'm here every day I never see you if she manages the place that's out no she just lives above like above the place she just checks in from her morning upstairs I don't think that she's gaming the system but then like she foursquare friended me and I thought she was going to confront me about it and then nothing ever came of I think she just want to see my pic you never said like let's meet up the chicken wings yeah that have been weird I think I think a little weird uh are we talking about we're talking about privacy and now we're moving on to google wallet privacy so the one piece that is not cover it in there one page which is actually not one page if you look at it privacy policy is google wallet it has its own privacy writer which is far too complex for me to dive into right now but we'll get our crack team on that and analyze it but google wallet and d in general when you're dealing with your money seems a little like involved and may require more stuff yeah i mean it would have to be i think it would we have to have to be separate i think it would be a bigger issue if we were wallet were lumped in just because you know the overarching one pager is basically like we're just going to track everything you do and log all your stuff when you start talking about Google Wallet you know if you start using overarching which like that then somebody's going to jump to the conclusion of just like your log in my bank accounts right accounts with any company that I do business with and I think it's in their best interest and to keep it separate and there's a lot of laws regarding financial information how you track that so I'm sure that is another reason for it alright so we're going to switch things up a little bit here and remember everything we just said about Google privacy because jmar has a little tap that app app of the week for us and we're going to ask you guys a question after we do a little intro to this video and you see what this is all about to you want I introduce this and we'll roll roll it sure sure the app is called thumb and it lets you pull the public or at least the public that uses this app about pretty much anything you want you got to attach a picture to your your question and then you can ask them a yes or no question for instance do you like my car and then you post a picture of your car and then the the audience will will then give you thumbs up or thumbs down boats and yeah well let's take a look at your video that explains it all I'm sure oh yeah in depth hey folks welcome to tap that app I'm Jay marker BB and this is the show where we tap the finest pieces of app on planet earth today we're checking out thumb which basically lets you pull the public about anything you want use it correctly and it can be a nice little tool for some casual research here's how it works there are two ways to use thumb you can ask for opinions or you can give your opinion if you want to ask for opinions first type in your question the yes or no variety works best then attach a photo you can use a photo from your gallery take a new photo or grab one from the web all from within thumbs interface after that select a category you know to give your question some context then hit get opinions it'll take a minute for people to start chiming in so you can go ahead and vote on other people's questions while you wait you can vote with a thumbs up a thumbs down or you can keep it neutral if you like you can also add comments which users always appreciate and to make it easy each time you vote the app will automatically move you on to the next question at this point my only issue with thumb is that some of the users tend to ask questions that aren't exactly optimized for the platform if you know what I'm saying take this one doesn't exactly lend itself to the thumbs up thumbs down format right so just be sure to pose your questions correctly and thumb will be a really useful tool for everybody now to go back and see what the public thinks of my question looks like sixty-seven percent of the thumb population does not think the 49ers will go to the Super Bowl and if you want you can also see the results of your previous questions as you can see here 71 percent of thumbs users were totally wrong about the shirt I was wearing yesterday and that's it folks thumb is free and available on both the android market and itunes app store i highly suggest you download it and give my red lumberjack shirt some love otherwise if you've got another app that you want me to tap all are at me on the twitter thanks for watching ah awesome that I like that Apple aah I like that idea sound a good idea i gotta say though I'm still a little sore about the shirt about the dirt my favorite shirt has it changed at all I understand I haven't I haven't checked our we'll get back to you on that one so we're going to do a live thumb question here right sure if you have this cute up so we do we are going to ask what does the question do you agree or disagree with the Google privacy policy with Google's new new yeah so how will people find this well well anyone who's using the app at this time the question will be pushed out there and can i search for your account just like that or no the questions are all another atom okay all right well get on thumb right now and you know we'll post this and then by the end of show we will hopefully have some interesting results for you but while that is happening we're going to move on and talk more about Android yeah there's a lot of news from google this week actually this was story is about their earnings call answered of how that was how much money android made as a result of that basically and it's interesting me in comparison to apples so a couple things first you know Larry Page did the earnings call and described and red as a young product lots of potential it's funny the way he talks about it just like that Young Buck sound like that or is that just something you're doing I have no idea what he's having fun ever we are in the early stages of monetizing monetization for a number of our new products and Android is one of those and mr. page but we see a lot of potential for us to make money in android and you'll see that increase over time one of the problems was sort of monetizing android so we look at the Bigfoot put of android he said for example 250 million Android devices exist or have been activated however a lot of those aren't sort of what we traditionally think of android devices phones and tablets that even have android market right there like gps is that or the parrot asteroid car stereo that I just finished reviewing that's powered by Android where they android-powered Android yeah that well the what was that Samsung a refrigerator the samsung android powered refrigerator that was at feeis how was it yeah well that thing the other thing yeah that had the whole interview with the general that was running Android but yeah yeah it did support the all-share platform yeah anyway so a lot of those can't serve ads and if they can't serve ads and they're not making Google any money because android is free to those people so Google made three billion dollars an avid revenue this year to this the end of this financial year which is I don't have the exact number that Apple made from iPhones but is significantly less than Apple made and not a huge source of revenue for Google overall I think Google another thing one of the analysts came out with which I thought was particularly interesting is that Google may not want to make a lot of money quite yet with Android because there's so many lawsuits going on right now that if they were making tons and tons of money that people would be able to say that there were more damages and you know ask for a higher percentage of that money or more of that money then they're asking for now but if it's not making tons of money then they can't really claim that they want a share of profits if there really isn't any profit so it's an interesting story because Android is so ubiquitous at this point and is such a big part of the market but not a major contributor get to the revenue side of Google I love it three billion dollars is small revenue now right just I have zero sense of scale for how much money through be three billion dollars is really really just find that interesting because I don't think three billions a lot at all I just have no idea like like the amount like what like you need to put it in terms of something for me like how many I don't know lexus is is can you buy for 3 billion dollars like that then i'll have like a sense of scale but it seems like a ton of money yeah I guess you no imagery paychecks it's like two page oh really I couch over to download.com fetish me wah wah yeah but no its you know it it's weird for me but I mean it you know we're joking around about like how three billion dollars a ton of money but I guess yeah the symptoms the scale is a bit different when you're talking about large corporations especially corporation as large as Google and then you know who they are relative to a corporation as large as Apple Microsoft and whatnot so yeah I mean Apple is making the revenue on the iphone from hardware sales right yeah well they don't worry some apps but yeah everything anything that has to do they make money of hardware sales they make money off of software sales they make money off of when you buy a case that has a works with ipod stamp on it they make money off of everything so it's a huge cash cow for then google doesn't really have that complete control over their ecosystem great speaking of ecosystems speaking of because yes do you know who has built a great ecosystem that apparently is generating them a lot of money are we talking about Amazon we're talking about Amazon there's only a couple people out there who have really sort of complete ecosystems I mean I think you have apple you have Amazon you have google microsoft isn't in there there i think they kind of have a patchwork of ecosystems right now I'm in hmm I mean they're Mary waiting there I mean these are our lives the way they're linking the windows phone to the wid the Windows desktop to xbox 36 but if we say widely used ecosystems and I think you're giving your maybe your maybe underplaying a Microsoft of a contender of it maybe we shall see time will tell but anyway what we're talking about on Android Alice as opposed Microsoft that list is the kindle fire so analysts are from RBC Capital estimating that beyond the actual sale of the hardware which is one hundred ninety nine dollars and has been estimated that that is actually a below cost for it so that you know Amazon's not making any money on that that they will bring in more than a hundred dollars specifically one hundred and thirty-six dollars in additional revenue over the lifetime of each kindle fire and this comes from digital book and app revenue and i think potentially this number is plausible to me but the way they do the math is a little weird you know they say that you know in their survey sixty percent of people bought more than three books in the first 60 days of ownership and it sounds like that they are basically saying that people are going to buy on average five ebooks / corridor at an average of ten dollars per book i think what you do when you first get a device isn't necessarily consistent with the way you use a device throughout its lifetime you know you may be outside and you're like this is awesome i'm buying a bunch of books ooh this at this but it takes you then some time to read those books let me do you think you'll ever like get sick of listening to music and just stop buying it or you're like oh I think I've watched enough TV shows on this kindle fire like I mean I don't think you will but i think the rate at which you purchase will change over time mm-hmm so i may have a small issue with the ebooks thing but we're talking about this earlier the app calculation that they do i have a big problem with they are saying the people on average will buy three apps per quarter which average it out to nine dollars every three months for apps how much money in the lifetime of your android use have you spent on apps way too much more well know that way too much is probably not the right term but let me let me the means estimate how much i've spent this year in the month of january i've spent five or six bucks maybe seven alright i'll buy a lot of apps TMR and i were talking to and i was saying i think i spent nine dollars ever ever ever that's been nine dollars you know in a quarter are absent yet but I mean you and then me you know I review apps mmm we might not be the best sample I guess bright arrogance I mean I'm talking about that game all the time so it's like I don't review those games like okay but what it does it does seem like it could be a lot I think for for an average user right and it seems like what they are thinking here so based on this math they are sort of considering that the lifetime of a user is one year mm-hmm that was gonna be my next question because like a hundred bucks over the lifetime of my things a bit low right so they're basically saying one hundred and thirty-six dollars per year I think they're be conservative on the how long you're going to keep that device hmm you know so maybe you're going to upgrade that device to the kindle fire to next year kindle believe the little inferno i wonder if they're also including like the amazon prime membership because i know they got eighty dollars out of me like that so they might also be including that to this number right yeah i mean according to this math or not but there is they don't talk about music they don't talk about additional purchases like you're saying in the Amazon market which I think does take an account I'm sure Amazon is doing fine here I'm pretty sure it was nothing prettier than making more than three billion dollars right three billion dollars off this device yeah we'll see so it's estimated they've sold three to four million tablets so you can do the math there because i can't do the math on what that means in terms of revenue I feel like other group we should all be better doing math I think we should have we should get rid of tomorrow's our guests and we should just have a math monkey there and any time we have those questions let goodness let's not talk about getting me g'mar well here I appreciate appreciate Justin you you're gonna talk you need to be a jit math monkey for the rest of the show if you're just load up calculator and every time boom if I get a suit on company dime then I will be a menace and I need to know I need a monkey suit okay we'll eat bananas too I will I will do that if throw the peels at Antoine I can't like where this conversation is going alright let's take a break and when we come back we'll tell you what to expect out of HTC at the Mobile World Congress so while you were gone we had some volunteers from the chat room actually be to the math monkeys so we'll just ask questions and then you know on our 15 second delay will get the answers from the chat room wonder if we give you like wolfram alpha plus google voice search something that'd be cool we'll try to rig it on that I think I'm gonna let's give me my petrol maybe Jay mark and you and Jane work and build that for our next thing and then we can rig it up into our little an android guy way up there you can kind of see them up there in the corner or Android Lego make him talk with the answers that'd be great alright this is a crazy show what do we talk about now HTC so there was not a lot of news out of HTC at CES but there is a lot of rumors about what they're going to do at Mobile World Congress which I'm bummed again that we're not going to because it's impersonal and ya wanted to go to Spain forever mostly though because I just want to pretend like i'm ernest hemingway to drink a lot and go to a bullfight the bullfight are you going to do the running of the bulls know that the Running of the Bulls leads up to Apple you want to fight a bowl no I want to be at the blow you want to well I understand it's inhumane don't crazy drunk at the bull don't do it you all right let's see all right let's get back to phones the first rumored phone is the HTC edge which is supposed to be HTC's first quad-core phone and a pretty big one 4.7 inch display a megapixel camera and Android 4.0 as well as HTC Sense four point oh so a pretty nice phone spec wise anyway hmm what else do we have HTC Phil va va la really if they are those two elder one if it's too else we can pronounce them i said VA just because we're talking about spain yeah vijay yeah do you have to do this with your hand even though i think that's more italian little bit it's like this thing right here I think we're borderline fanciful let me I think we're past borderline of infants alliances that's what we do now the HTC a VA is a dual-core 1.5 gigahertz Snapdragon phone also running ice cream sandwich so kind of a mid-grade version one step down from the edge but hopefully cheaper I guess and then we have the HTC primo primo this is awesome because we're HTC is from the knee today open here they yeah I'm Maria I got nothing walking a fine line guys it's they've got a mix of stuff going on here alright so then the Primo is a 3.7 inch Super AMOLED display with Gorilla Glass and a win gigahertz processor 5-megapixel camera so this is again and mid to low range device and then the fourth is a tablet the HTC quattro which will also be a quad-core tablet with a 10.1 inch display take your 3 processor ice cream sandwich and support for the scribe digital stylist how do you guys feel about styluses on tablets we looked you know the samsung note that at CES but i don't know i think they're fine I mean as long as you can use them without the stylist I think having the option to all right now it's time to jump in and be more accurate but I used a Wacom tablet as it way come I don't know four years of art school and I still don't how to pronounce that but the tablet the digitizer tablet a lot with it with it with photoshop and in various digital manipulation software and I mean I the having a stylist is great and we mean you get things like pressure sensitivity that you don't necessarily get with your fingertips you get like a higher degree of accuracy you get sometimes you get like things like function keys that are actually on the stylus itself that kind of lend themselves to things like zooming in zooming out are switching between tools so I personally love the the option of having a stylist but if you're talking about a tablet form factor you also have to have the ability to get in there and get the finger the screen driving with your fingertips yeah I mean I guess if it's like an add-on then sort of why not but I would want the product to work fully without it yeah and maybe the stylus is just for artist types like you and it'd be nice if there's a little pocket or something like that to to store the stylus right because I would lose that instantly all right purchase I don't miss my like trio at all put the stylus did you ever have a trio I had a snow nuclea I've seen those I can read about when you were in high seas device when you were in junior high or just like look at all those people there trios good that CLE a a typically a that was did that run the palm OS it ran windows not I remember we don't have a stylist head stylist yeah oh good camera getting back to HTC's announcement one other thing which is not harder specifically but we mentioned that these will run Ice Cream Sandwich also run the sense the new four-point-oh sense UI which hopefully HTC will outline new features of that and I've long been a fan of the sense UI like generally I don't like the you know them messing with DUI but the sense has been the best of the ones that I've used so it'd be interesting just to see what kind of innovation they announced their quick quick note about HTC they're actually Taiwanese company high 18 in 1997 and HD c stands for high-tech computer corporation never knew that guess who just earned the job math monkey and we apologize to everyone we have affected which is many donkeys we apologize take all monkeys I don't apologize to monkeys you gonna get me my keys um all right let's offense more people uh 3d what you guys think about 3d i am not a fan it's no secret that upset that for right on on on phones or everywhere what are we talkin here three dimensions in life I love living in 3d do you want to go further and say like anyone who makes 3d devices is stupid just so weak the family people I mean well I mean if we're for anyone who thinks it's good is just wrong no let's back up let's back up here and state that I do I don't mind it in theaters if it's a movie that's filmed in 3d or an animated 3d feature because usually they make the conversion better but I've never had like a way i would call like a great experience with a handheld device and definitely not a great experience with any sort of like television it just hasn't won me over yet and just you know the the glasses lift you know steph is it's cool if you are holding it in the right angle in the home step you have to wear glasses and i mean i'd be willing to wear glasses for like an hour and a half long movie but I saw Hugo in 3d and it wasn't over two hours long and after a while I just wanted those glasses off of my faith and so I just can't see myself watching a football game in 3d for example yeah i mean i agree it's uh there's very few movies in theatres where I thought I was worthwhile and out of the theater I've never seen a worthwhile implementation but why we're talking about is because LG is rumored to be announcing a new version of the optimus 3d and this one is somewhat similar but it will also have the ability to do 2d to 3d conversion which if you thought 3d was bad then this conversion is even worse because it just it can't convert something that 2d to 3d Adam it just doesn't one or me just ends up looking like like a pop-up book you know how you have those 3d things and those 2d things in 3d space is how 3d conversions end up looking to me because it's not really 3d no it's all I mean that's gonna look terrible I'm just gonna say yeah I mean I've seen it and it's not impressive but you go LG let's see how that works out this time we'll push for it hopefully um one more piece of hardware before we head off into the land of email maybe look at do your survey there the samsung galaxy s3 so the s2 is big right everyone has that phone it's all i'll call the different carriers I've got two of them you do I don't sorry I I needed to interrupt the flow of that Mara the so this is a really interesting story because the rumors of the s3 are from a Russian blogger and who has provided to some accurate information and some inaccurate information in the past but he says that the galaxy s3 will run android 4.0 which you know i'm sure is makes sense if there is one it's going to be powered by a 1.5 to 1.6 gig of her Claud core processor seems likely have an HD super amoled plus display 12 megapixel camera and the design will be pretty similar to the s2 so all of that seems pretty straightforward like not going out on a limb on anything there the heat the one thing that is interesting in this is that he claims that there's going to be two versions of the phone a quad core in a dual core model that's interesting so because I mean normally you see phones differentiated by storage size we've got a 16 gigabyte nay and a 32 gigabyte you choose between those this is this is kind of more akin to a computer so did you had a for where you're like oh you get the fast one or the the really fast one bread the fastener they're not so fast one depends on what's happening there yeah I think this would be really interesting to do a side-by-side comparison of these because we all wonder with phones or at least I do does cpu speed really matter at foremost daily use to just put that to the test and then compare that against the battery life like this does the quad core affect the battery life so much that it's not worth getting for most people well every do they effectively turn off the course depending on what who are they using for their their chips it because we think we already discussed this where the Tegra 3 for example only really in it technically has five course it's not using the four cores for for most things using that one sort of what I guess a backup core is what I'm thinking about like a low-power chipset that the low power chip is basically just there to do things like render the desktop you know show your options menu that sort of thing and it doesn't actually engage the other four high-powered cores until you're doing something like playing a game or watching a movie yeah it's rumored to be powered by the Samsung quad-core exynos 4412 to look into how that architecture works but I mean I mean it could be a similar case where you know it doesn't necessarily affect battery life unless you're doing battery in tenth of things and I think in that case then it would drain your battery faster than a dual-core processor just because you're doing more things more powerfully but I think it's kind of the equivalent of like you could probably get you know 20 miles per gallon out of a four cylinder or a v8 but the v8 oh let you get into more trouble hell of tossing car metaphor isn't it I didn't notice that well anyway I love to see the side-by-side comparison just to know if the specs are a reality yeah in terms of that how reputable is this Russian blogger that we're talking about does he look like Mickey Rourke and iron man tuze what I'm asking it's a good question i have actually not seen a picture of him okay but is probably the most offensive show on twitter and his picture is mickey rourke from Iron Man it's actually a puppy it picture is a little stuffed puppy puppy Rourke is the editor-in-chief of mobile dash review com I'd like to apologize to him I would too especially yeah let's just stop how about that I'm sure he's a very handsome brush and gentlemen of course as our most questions ah shall we how's our poll doing let's check it out check it out that Austin let's see um okay do you agree with Google's new privacy policy seventy-five percent say no oh yeah seventy-five percent say no which according to my math monkeys kills leaves 25% saying yes you are on it I'm on it today how many responses new have 94 oh wow what a short time that's pretty good a lot of a lot of responses and um just in case you're curious i'm still at 71 percent thumbs down for my shirt yeah yes how many go thumbs it up right now please that's a terrible it appreciate it meaning how many ppl added statistically insignificant change all right let's uh let's move on to email Oh before we do I don't like a quick Google search so the good thing about like being on Google is that you can do a gmail search for Google receipt and get the receipt for everything that you've ever bought a new android app marketplace since i since I've been on the android platform in 2009 january of two thousand uh actually january of 2010 as when i get my my droid 1 i've spent 150 5 + on apps wow wow so there there yeah i went all out there alright we couple of those one at one or two of those are really expensive gps apps they tend to be twenty dollars plus right but yeah that's how much i've spent on apps nice work helping support the android community i appreciate that LM saying like I'm sure that I'm not unique in that that there are the users who like me who spend a lot on apps or more or who just you know by get a free app and then just go you know what I really like this app I want to drop the developer a couple bucks yeah will skew I mean that that's what however just work a lot of people don't spend a ton of money a couple of people do and then that's how your averages end up where you were talking about an average of I'm sure they're people who spend way more money on app than I do so there you go female fair let's do those emails first is from Travis he said I would like to know if there's any apps bluetooth controls for Bluetooth controls on Bluetooth headsets preferably the motorola ones I've not found an app that lets you adjust the bluetooth controls and I think that's mostly because I think most people are the most one's youth headsets that support things like audio already have controls built into them the avrcp protocol has built-in things for skip boards get back play pause and then also you're entering an Indian call so there's not really a need for bluetooth headset controls unless you're trying to do something crazy yeah the crazies have the right word but if you're trying to be something more than that but I'm not I've not seen that the closest thing I've found to a motorola specific bluetooth headset app is their moto talk app which will if you have a the right motorola headset of a read your text messages to you all right but it doesn't give you any extra will go with not that we know now that we know all right you want to read the next one from Bob sure it says hi guys i'm new to smartphones and to your show i heard aunt wanna take a shot at the casio commando i just purchased my first android phone and it is the command know can you tell me why you're so dismissive of this device I know it's not the bestest most powerful smartphone out there but it's working fine for me and it looks kickass this comes in from bob s and i guess since you're new to the show Bob you you've probably heard a couple of suits in the time since this email was sent now and you know that you probably shouldn't take me seriously when I pick on a phone I don't really have any particular problem with the mcafee of commando I just think I'm funny and I'm not I just has a dumb name or sorry yeah but you know like speaking of casio phones and i didn't toss this into the rundown cuz i want to save it for this point but I've seen sort of like floating around the internet this week something that I missed at CES and that's casio g-shock phone so basically if you're familiar with the the huge g-shock waterproof weatherproof go anywhere watches they've built this very Batman esque a g-shock phone which is powered by Android shock resistant you could throw it 10 feet and it wouldn't break the screen you could you know basically submerge it 30 feet underwater and you'd still be able to use it when it came out it's like this rugged sort of go anywhere you know kind of phone and at first I thought it was ugly but them and I still think it's ugly but the more I look at it the more I kind of want it kind of just like a Casio watch yeah listed the g-shock watch if I think when it's modeled after and I just want to pull this out and sit it on the counter at a bar you know been interesting he has this motor pick up girls well no an interesting thing happened to me at CES where I found myself at a dinner where everybody at the table had an iPhone 4 or 4s and I was the only person with an android phone and I just think it would be you know when everyone sits there like nice and like iPhones on the table for me just to pull this beast out oh you're like my phone can consume your phone is definitely different this is the phone that they should have had in Mission Impossible instead of an iphone do we have this discussion we haven't okay I had this discussion where I just saw really pay attention to Mission Impossible because of all the weird tech an iphone everyone our iphones i'm willing to believe Tom Cruise can get hit by a car and get up and keep running I'm not willing to believe that I phone in his pocket would survive a two foot drop just would not believe it and feel like they had this phone this is the phone 10 had 10 feet 10 foot yeah 10 feet and then there was also a weird scene where and this is not a spoiler but they're talking about something in the background they had these large pictures on these flat screen TVs and you know they need to put some data in the bottom so it looks spy like and instead of putting like GPS data or time the picture was shot there's exif data shutter speed and exposure information and just like why would a spy need that I did see that the only reason that's dirty be yeah is because the people in the art department didn't know what put there and so they put what was interesting to them and it just took me completely out of the scene was like why is that even there I don't know Tom Cruise runs a lot spoiler alert alright we're going to fly through these emails we've got an email from andy from amsterdam says he loves the show he i think we talked about the user interface guidelines last week and basically he's saying that he kind of agrees with where i was going that google should give some kind of preferential treatment in the market to people who follow the guidelines versus people who don't Antoine had a different opinion let me feel like they already kind of do that they already high like I have a clear them there they promote it there's an editor just twice tab in the the online android market and then we also i mean you can also come to seeing at that complex download and look at our best apps they're usually pretty well defined Delta well yes luck there for junior in India nice how you set that up all right get an email from Max is it has an EVO 3d and he's never had any battery problems unless it's roaming or a bad app kicks in all day power even with games playing I know you guys like to rip in the phone because your 3d haters yes we are but even with how 3d it's sweet and fast phone this is in reference to sort of our discussion about this last week someone had rode in I basically we're asking what's a good phone on sprint or should they jump ship to verizon and we didn't bring up the evo 3d I guess we did because then he followed up and wrote an email saying the evo is 4G how come you guys need to learn more about the evo 3d blah blah blah you're done we are done so I don't like yeah I don't think we necessarily made that exact mistake but I'm not going to argue that I'm not dumb either it seems like out that's a losing argument got an email from an der who says basically he has an Xperia Play and wants to root it and has heard about the software called ginger break and wants to know because he has heard the ginger break will root it without voiding his warranty is that true Antoine no well the thing about rooting is that it is inherently a wart avoiding process if you get caught so I mean if you root your phone and then you try to turn it in for warranty issue that software related if you break it for example during the ruing process and I mean anything can happen even if you are just using automated software it can be used as grounds to void your warranty so there is there's always an air of of danger around the rooting process I mean it's relatively low that anything will ever happen to you but I mean if you're the kind of person that's scared that your carrier is going to you know shut you down for tethering then you mean you're also probably kind of person who is a little afraid of running into issues around the routing but I mean if you learn how to root if you ever have any issue and you can unroot before you turn your phone in like if you you know drop it around crack the screen and you just unroot it before you turn it in you should be okay and if it's not a software issue that your did your warranty claim is around they may not even bother with it yeah I think a lot of people have had pretty good luck even returning original just there's this is caveat there if you don't blame me if you void your warranty using my advice to around voiding your warranty lame jaber oh alright the last email this guy basically rights in says he wants to buy a new phone in the next couple months and is you know with the announcement of the droid maxx which there's a story what today saying the droid maxx or maybe was yesterday as an official release date and pricing which is january 26 which is tomorrow and will go on sale for 299 with to your contract which phone should he buy that or the galaxy nexus or something else i mean i'll say and less battery life is your issue i like the Galaxy Nexus better I mean I have one so maybe I'm biased but you know that being said battery life on the Galaxy Nexus is far from great is is just horrible compared to the new Dre razr maxx which lasts like what is it 20 something hours 24 is what they're claiming right 24 hours of street talk of talk time so standby is just you know massive supposedly they claim i like to use the take their battery life and cut it by half and that's what you should actually get out of it sort of rule of thumb there's but still it's a pretty pretty decent amount of claimed battery life he didn't say anything about like you know he says that he considers himself a technophile but he doesn't say anything about like modding the phone or anything so and i think that because the droid razr maxx is essentially the same phone as the droid razr is essentially the same phone as the droid 4 that's going to come out it's probably going to be pretty well supported since any firmware goes on any of those phones should probably be pretty readily adaptable for the others okay so and I think Motorola's also expressed a you know definitely that there were going to be upgrading this phone ice cream sandwich soon so I mean I think it's a pretty safe bet either way yeah I really play around with the interfaces and see which one you like best I big again I'm not really sure what Motorola's going to do with their with their interface with ice cream sandwich are they just going to adopt the standard Ice Cream Sandwich interface are they going to blur it up a little bit it's a good question especially now that they have a new owner I mean whatever i'm still maintaining that there's going to be the same level of autonomy that Motorola's going to maintain so i don't really think that Google owning them really even matters and I'm maintaining there's not well I mean if you look at like Google products they don't they don't maintain control over their own product so it's like you got you know but now they got a new home very different from Android which I mean just just now just started working together with the Google TV team so it's just I mean if they can't even do that with her software like why would they be in there pushing buttons and telling motorola what to do like I just don't think that that fits with their core I think that's one of the thing that Paige wants to change as CEO they have going to change anytime within the droid razr maxx his lifetime and it would answer your question they're both good phones I say that Nexus but I think Antoine is right go you got to figure out which one I don't even think with an extended battery that razor Matt I mean that Nexus is going to match to read their Max's know your life it's not at all so if battery life is a concern for you and it should be with the poor glt phone on Athens network because every single one that I've ever used has had a you know a bit of a battery issue I would say take a nice long look at the razr maxx and if you but if not Galaxy Nexus all right anything else that's all I got all right well let's wrap up the show then thanks for watching you can read all about Android news as it happens on our blog sina com / android atlas you can watch the stream every wednesday at 10am Pacific cnet com / live you can send us email Android Alice at cnet com you can follow us on 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