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a busy week for Google an expensive week for apple and a tablet for the tub all that more on this week's edition of welcome it is februari eighth twenty twelve i'm justin a cow so long sorry jean-marc VV hello hello and special guest Jessica toll car hello welcome back yes awesome well I'm excited that you are all here today and you to chat room and on-demand viewers watching us hours and hours later we're listening I love being demanded demanded i do man Jessica told rate I hear that all the time Wow let's talk about the big news this week which is this is actually interesting because we got an email last week saying what's the deal when is chrome going to come to Android and I did a little research last week during the show and I was like I think it's going to come soon because we see this open bug and you know the chromium bug system right and here we are mm-hmm less than seven days later well in seven days later but this happened yesterday chrome was released for android the one big caveat though is ice cream sandwich only I thought you're gonna say the caveat was its beta all right other big and the other big caveat is its beta sure but I I think the bigger problem for most people besides me is that it is only asked from sandwich because there's not that many ice cream sandwich phones out there one right now is that right everyone in the US um one in the u.s. right now and the sprint version of the galaxy nexus is coming soon mmm so not many people can take a look at it but yet yet yet well do I don't think they're gonna back port it to non Ice Cream Sandwich phones do you um like it's gonna run on honeycomb or no what I mean is that they're gonna be a ton phones that are going to get upgraded to Ice Cream Sandwich really soon true that is what ever really seen means we have to buy new phones we're just not going to get it though now you don't have to buy new phones you just have your current phone and then when it gets the Android Ice Cream Sandwich update then you should be able to download chrome I think that good let everybody else work out the bugs while you wait that's how you can console yourself let me help you there yeah so let's talk about the actual browser itself so assuming you have a Galaxy Nexus which I do it which I just happened to have right here in my pocket it is nice I mean I think it looks nice i'll hold it up here and try to talk at the same time which is hard all right but so it looks nice it's fast it has this kind of cool way between switching between tabs but it is definitely buggy like why did it reload that page when I just switch between tabs I don't know and then notice that Google does that all the time it just reloads and it's also hard like I can't always switch between tabs it takes good so there's weird things up and then it reloaded again and then I also noticed that double tapping it worked there but wallah page is loading it didn't really work very well so anyway I that's sort of all I have to show but it does have some cool features right like the sinking which I haven't used it yet but huge thank you yeah do you want to how does that work oh well I from what I've read it's only 11 way syncing which which I think kind of sucks because I mean how can how can you talk about a seamless experience across browsers if it's only one way your your tabs on your computer you can open up on your phone but not vice versa so the reading that you've done on your phone and closing of tabs won't really be tracked back to your computer yeah what's up with that that is dumb yes that is I mean firefox has figured that out a long time ago right so I mean Google will obviously get there just a beta feature so this means that google is actually using the true definition of beta right they're releasing intentionally unfinished software in order to get user feedback we hope I mean maybe this is the way they plan to implement but yeah I mean I think we hope that the other differences between the stock browser and this one this one is faster in its using the faster javascript engine but they have also are I think not allowing plugins or it's at least not shipping with flash in this browser I don't think you can get it in the browser which I guess probably makes it faster as well it's probably better for developers because stuff that you developed for and test for Chrome on the desktop will probably just almost naturally just work on this device and the DUI I don't I like the UI it has a very easy incognito mode if you want to do that kind of thing I like the idea of the bookmark and the tab sink when it becomes perfected I'm sure it'll be awesome so is this going to be the browser of the future so for example you know in whatever comes next 4.1 or whatever or is this going to be what is next jelly bean right or is this going to be always an alternative I think we're all kind of assuming that chrome is just going to take over as the standard browser the chips with Android I mean when that happens who knows we're still in beta right now so yeah I mean that is a good question how to really know what the answer is better I suspect that's your uh you're right I was just testing supposedly there's some tilt to go through shuffle through tabs option but I don't really know how you make it work I keep tilting in its not doing that maybe if I just shake it we shall share your phone figures come on come on all right now I broke it well anyway chrome it's cool hopefully you all get to see it sometime soon if not stopped by my desk and I'll show you that applies to everyone out there just tell security it's okay i needa gesture at me yeah well let's keep talking about the Galaxy Nexus there was quite an uproar missoula last week this came out yeah 14 last week that Verizon Galaxy Nexus lost Google support oh my god just freaked out gamble oh man this was kind of pissing me off because I felt like everyone was missing the point here right like they I don't know what did they think okay so the assumption was that it was pulled from developed from a developer site and there was this supposition it's like very hazy correlation between a you know Google Wallet not being on the verizon version of the galaxy nexus and then this kind of support which just to me seems a little bit like a knee-jerk reaction i mean google and verizon knew for a long time that verizon wasn't going to let Google Wallet on or at least they knew enough you know that they didn't they didn't stop the launch they work together for a long time to give rise in the Galaxy Nexus so why would they be playing these kind of petty little games now yeah but what turns out to be true is that this really only affects developers so it's sort of no longer considered a developer phone because they don't have access to the radio support that am I reading this rate and also this wasn't the only phone or the only device I should say that was removed from the developer site it was all said the motorola xoom in the sprint nexus s 4g and the new supposition is that this is like a cdma issue I mean there's actually a pretty technical explanation I think if you're interested maybe you'll want to read Eric max piece about it and Google's response but it almost seems like they're pointing to the cdma carriers which are verizon and sprint right yeah it's definitely very technical and for all end-users doesn't matter at all you still should get your updates from google / verizon i mean all the updates have to go through verizon no matter what and if you're a developer maybe it's a bummer if your developer let us know what you think so it's just not listed as an official developer device anymore right and you users good to go shouldn't make any difference if I'm right you're fun stocking a break and you will still get updates hopefully in a timely matter so the Galaxy Nexus updates don't stop there right this is I guess not a specific Galaxy Nexus update this is an android update with the Galaxy Nexus are more specifically Ice Cream Sandwich feel right allegedly this is your story jammer want to walk us through this this is update to google voice right right yeah so um yesterday it was it was a pretty quiet update but it was significant the the entire UI was refreshed to kind of look like ice cream sandwich and even the icon has that nice cyan tone to it there I've got the icon right over here got the icon hit handy it's on the desktop it's like it'll focus after second it they're gonna show us all your voicemail now yeah okay yeah so I mean as far as features you know tablets got a pretty good one too the click the call which is just a exactly what it suggests that's one click to make a phone call other than that the phone also got the user interface update obviously so I'm confused about this user interface update because I've got eating her on the phone and I can't show you because it's got my personal messages and phone numbers and things like that in it but it looks to me like the old one and i just downloaded it and it's got the new icon has the new icon at the top is one thing that I so way I know that it's different is because when i send a message instead of seeing the circling donut I see a red you know upload or message sending like arrow that's going skyward but to me it just looks like the same it's this long list yeah I think the only thing I see is the icon at the very top once you enter it is is different but maybe there's some subtle changes that we're not aware of because we don't stare at it 10 hours a day forgive me or rants but what the heck is google doing what are they doing with google voice do they not have enough people using it that they care this is a really bad application it's a good service well so what do you want to see done with google okay for example you know don't boo me out of the room but I also have google voice on an iphone being a phone reviewer I review many different plaster like all of them so on the iphone like you know there are problems with that app too it's just sort of like I feel like Google just like dropped google voice and ran off into other projects but they cared about more and just blows way everybody right so they have one really cool feature that's basically like a quick dial so you can save certain contacts as favorites and then there's like a page separate page for it and you can see your list of most recent contacts people who you contacted people who contacted you and then you've got your quick favorites and you can just like press it to call to send a message etc so they've got different windows and I think that that's a much better user experience the functionality there is better any like this is an android phone like android should have the way yes it should have absolutely the best experience it should have the quick dial it should have everything else and should have a really snazzy interface this interface doesn't look like ice cream sandwich right it looks like Eclair doughnut yeah so I'm not impressed yeah i mean i don't disagree with you i mean i don't know that they this again could just be the media blowing this out of proportion sorry Jane we're sorry chairman Jim our house i read it oh yeah i mean i think you do but they're not necessarily saying this is a massive update their de Sam like a we have an update as new icons I mean it is written up zero point four point two point four four right so minor update from I don't know what the previous version it was but zero point four point two point four three baby possibly um I think my point is that this should be a major update and hearing about it just makes me angry that Google is doing more in that they're not doing better by people who use this service yeah you know what I want to see it in fact google voice is tied in with sprint so it's in Sprint's best interests it's in Google's best interest to offer compelling service for Android Sprint customers that's what henchley google nexus come out from sprint yet so maybe they'll release an update when they release that all right what I think we can all agree on though is that the icon is a little bit more beautiful than it was it is I can't agree yesterday who can argue with that so what I was gonna say earlier just to quickly wrap this up I want to see the ability in google voice to make phone calls over Wi-Fi so i want to enable you know like my old phone and should be able to use that as the phone around the house i am skeptical that that will happen any time soon just because that poses conflicts with you know that phone providers but that'd be awesome wouldn't it i'm nodding join on all points yes uh uh what should we talk about next oh i don't know how about a little scrappy scrap a little patent dispute t so are we so fun scrap scrap yeah that we kind of talked about the reverse of his last week i think it wasn't mode a role involved with apple it was samsung in also in germany this week there is a story again out of Germany with apple and a patent dispute with motorola so motorola basically were forced through court proceedings a permanent injunction of apple selling any of their devices that had 3g so the iphone 3g 3gs iphone 4 and all 3g enabled ipads had to be removed from the site in germany and from stores as well which is a pretty big deal in but how long did it last it didn't last very long I mean so the injunction is permanent but then Apple sort of went to Motorola and said hey that's not cool can we license the patent you have so that we can start selling this stuff again and it's not clear whether they actually sort of signed a license agreement or just signed an intent to sign one but we're able to very quickly get all this stuff back on the store because presumably they are in talks anyway with Apple but what is interesting is Apple is asking for 2.25 percent or sorry motor oil is asking Apple for 2.25 sent in royalties for all these products which could be a lot of money given how much of this Apple is selling right and that's not going to Motorola that's going to Google assuming that Google finishes up the buyout right once it's approved which is pretty interesting because you already have it's such a weird ecosystem so Microsoft makes like five bucks per android phones sold on their patents and then suddenly we're going to have google making five bucks per phone at Apple sells yeah who's gonna make money off Microsoft phones that's what I want to know so what the story has taught me oh well nokia no kids maybe Microsoft Microsoft that be what the story has taught me is that if you want a job with excellent security become a patent lawyer and get hired by a mobile firm I know it's crazy so other details about this even Apple sort of saying like whoa two point two five percent is kind of crazy here so motorola we would like to know how much you know manufacturers like nokia HTC LG ericsson are paying for their licenses of these patents to see if you just hate us because you're about to be owned by Google and we're Apple so we'll stay tuned for that because i don't i don't have any site information as to what those deals are but it would be interesting to find out damn as a quiz it illegal for google or sorry motorola to screw apple can they just do that because they feel like it I feel like they can they can dictate whatever price they want yeah I mean maybe German law is different or maybe I don't know us fair trade law at all so I'm just totally speculating but there was a suggestion from the chat room that the injunction was removed on appeal oh really that I know the one from last week was maybe that's the one yeah so we'll do a little research but for right now we're going to take a break and we'll be back talking about some secret google products so stick around boy dad was welcome back all right so our quick research has revealed that potentially there Apple has ass has I don't know got the court to sort of repeal this but it I'll say at best it looks like rumors at this point the story is from a site that is not in our normal stable of sources but we will continue to research that story and you can go to Android Atlas cnet.com plus android atlas for continuous updates on this evolving story but in the meantime let's talk about these devices that Google is secretly testing I guess they have asked the FCC to test undisclosed mystery entertainment device across four major cities over the next six months but it is very unclear what this is but this is the part where we get to wildly speculate everybody's favorite game the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth enabled ring the devices right Wi-Fi and Bluetooth enabled and I guess this wasn't originally discovered by gig ohm and a FCC filing from December so there's a couple guesses you know one gasps is that these devices are like a media hub to go in your house so that it will download all the video and music or whatever and then distribute it to other devices in your house which could be interesting and kind of reminds me of this digital hub strategy that Steve Jobs spoke about you know whatever four or five years ago which kind of evolved on the apple site to be a cloud-based hub and not sort of a house base hub which is interesting that Apple we're sorry google would pursue this hub strategy what else what do you guys think about this do you think I mean does that does this hub strategy make sense is that something that you think consumers would use yeah I mean I think I think if it's sort of a cable box type of deal with built-in slingbox and tivo capabilities and things like that then that would allow you to you know DVR content that you've received from your cable provider and then you know stream it out to your other devices which is kind of a workaround so so that Google wouldn't have to sort of license that content from cable providers right because you would already own it right right right yeah I mean because Google is run into a lot of licensing issues when they and just push back when they release google TV initially everyone you know including our own network CBS started blocking google TV from streaming content directly from their sites because there's a lot of money tied up in this and a lot of different licensing arrangements and and stuff from sort of historical historically the way broadcast has worked and so maybe this as you're saying is a way around those licensing restrictions because it's you an individual using content that you paid for rather than you know Google trying to license this content you know in mass for a new way of distributing it which you know I think there's a lot of resistance to I think it's part of the smart android refrigerator series that we're about to say oh yeah no but um you know what cable box would be nice but it would also be good for people who already have google TV if this were an internal component as part of a TV I mean you're already going to be paying for your DVR it would be annoying to have to buy an extra box even if it's only a hundred bucks you know you're gonna pay a hundred bucks to stream stuff you already own plus google music plus other things you know onto your phone right another possibility is that this could be a gaming device of some kind so there's the onlive is like the gaming service that you can to stream the games to your devices that maybe Google is getting into that game so to speak and this will be some kind of device that can stream games to your TV or something like that so frigerator games to your refrigerator yeah get the milk in the class I don't know yeah I don't know and you know further speculation that whatever this ends up being that maybe it could be me manufactured by motorola because maybe there's a good relationship between Google and Motorola well depends on the outcome of that a patent dispute a patent dispute and whether that deal actually finally gets approved anyway if you know about this we would love to hear about it android Alice at cnet com what else do we got going here oh so last week we talked about how Android users more than any other phone user use their phones wall in the bathroom this week we have a tablet that you can use in the tub this is the was this the pantech element element actually got a look at it at CES yeah what you think uh you know I just it it looks pretty good i like the design um it's kind of like Raggedy and angular and were you in the tub I mean if you don't mind me asking that's where I take all of my CEOs meetings actually come in come in come in oh my god yeah pantech element so it's a 4G LTE device hdmi output dual core but it's you know the one thing Donald Bell doesn't like who wrote the review and I think we can all in this room agree as well it's 299 on contract tablet shouldn't be purchased on Kandra boom correct 299 off contract may be right so this is 449 I think was the price off contract generally I think that the bottom line on this tablet is it's kind of cool that you can bring it in water or spill coffee on it or whatever he'd it's a not actually operable underwater so you can't like a you know scuba diving or snorkeling with it so you can't changes my opinion of it oh yeah taba completely worries how are you gonna use it before you're going to take it snorkeling and be like oh yes that is the fish play with it in the pool some you know have your kids take photos outs with it exactly nope it just it just you know mainly if you drop it in and it's also not rugged I thought Donald was going to take a picture of the element and his kid in the bathtub that's what I was expecting nope it wimped out there come on Donald get on it so if you want a lot of proof tablet get this one but for any other reason your only option right I don't know don't they have there was some other rugged tablet I thought we saw at TS but I can't recall the name and there was that case did you see that case is that the 404 guys stuck their iPad and drop a bowling ball on it yeah oh really yeah was it made out of Gorilla Glass so I don't know if the case was made out of Kevlar yeah I look like it was made out of Kevlar was like this weird padded or text yellow weird like pad stuff this kind of interest recycled black suits yeah i think it was actually wilson's ipad 2 they dropped yeah he was made an even cooler and everything was totally cool yeah Wilson in the meantime was having a hard to talk backstage all right Newt more new hardware and this is a from a sorority this is my territory talk about this back in the fone zone so there have been a lot of rumors about the samsung galaxy s3 which is the successor to the incredibly maniacally popular samsung galaxy s2 phone so that was the s2 was originally announced at Mobile World Congress last year that takes place februari 27 through march first this year and I'm going um so it's a hard job to go to Barcelona for case has to do it might as well be me so check out the coverage but there there have been like all of these leaks and speculations are they going to announce it here yes they are no they're not it's quad-core it's got an 8 megapixel camera it's got a 12 megapixel camera no it doesn't have you know of course it's going to have a camera so latest is that it's very very slim 7 millimeters or about 0.2 8 inches I think it's like 0.2 76 and I rounded up and that is for reference the same slimness at least the 0.28 part as the motorola droid razr which i found a little too thin in the hand i think not the droid razr maxx i think the razr maxx which is like 0.33 forgive me for not remembering precisely it's still very very slim I thought that the razr maxx is actually a little more comfortable because it's a little bit more rounded and it depends how they contour the phone but the galaxy s2 is very slimming box-like so if it's if it's very thin I mean people like they're thin phones yeah I'm pretty excited about this phone i mean the galaxy 2 s2 was a solid phone and it very very good the biggest thing I didn't like about it is the whole samsung touchwiz I that exactly but beyond that that's my eloquent way of saying I'm not that into TouchWiz they know exactly it it's a solid phone and the camera was really great compared to other Android cameras that were out when it came out and you know it was it's light it had it it has that when you first pick it up like you think is this a toy phones this real or is it actually this light so that asked to or start of the s3 yeah I think will be a great competitor it'll make me potentially regret my galaxy nexus i I mean it I think it's basically going to be more or less the same phone hopefully Samsung will give us something other than TouchWiz or a new and improved TouchWiz ice cream sandwich for sure but if the body looks similar than I think it's gonna have wide mass appeal do they take the same strategy they did with s2 where it's basically that phone is on every carrier almost identical you know it's been working for them they've had some good quarters so i think absolutely alright well look for that alright let's finish up here by someone who's not having quite as good a year as samsung our friends over at HTC I've been a fan of HTC I've HTC incredible for a long time and I actually have all the scans and I've said this over and over again since is my favorite you know if I can't have stock that is but HTC i think is not doing been doing quite as well as samsung for sure you know there's various reasons that people cite they have too many different phones out blah blah blah but they have created a new sort of innovation group within HTC called HTC studio that is hoping they can revitalize the brand and it sounds like we should start seeing devices from them this year the group is going to port it's a group of designers and engineers that is going to report directly to the CEO do you think this is a good idea do you think I mean is it I I'm assuming that it's going to be everything from devices to also taking a look at their software strategy with sense to any other kind of service that they can provide so it sounds like it's just across the board innovation yeah exactly so it's probably a bunch of designers and marketers and other people you know cross-section sitting in a room going like okay let's think of some really cool interface let's let's find a problem and let's try to create a solution I mean HTC isn't the only one who's ever had this I know t-mobile has had it rim it sounds like as having this now with a former co CEO heading up that part of the division I love that HTC is publicly saying that they're going to continue to put resources into innovation right yeah I mean I think this can either go brilliantly well or horribly wrong it really depends how much freedom HTC gives them so if they're just like forget all the rules we typically impose on you go out there and just figure out the best thing for the consumer that could be great especially if you have the resources but if they're like be innovative but still work within our daily rules then they're going to run into all the same problems potentially that they've always had so I guess the proof will be in the pudding phones that is our news for today but wait there's more we now it's time for the app of the week and you feel like there should be like separate intro music for that we used to have now it's time for the wig app of the week with Jay mark obv so this week I checked out an app called transparent screen which is supposed to make walking and texting or otherwise playing with your phone a little bit safer it makes the background of whatever you're doing actually whatever is behind your phone so it makes your phone see-through basically from what I've seen I mean it works pretty well I can I can fire it up here on my OG HTC evo while you are so out of date oh so I'm vintage vintage there you go classic so there you go you can see me behind my phone even though I'm behind my phone so it's using the camera right right yeah I mean it's a real time tracking technology I mean from what I've seen if I walk at any kind of more than a leisurely pace then it can't quite track as fast as I walk but I mean it's a fun idea the perfect app for slow walkers of the world yeah especially if you walk like this phone directly in front of you see probably it could be good for spine to definitely right I'm just working on my phone I've that I've I've done maybe something like that before with my camera yeah it's more what I want to take a picture of someone should you be telling us this huh it's okay I saw this couple at a restaurant who while I was waiting for my food food SAT there for 10 minutes not talking with their phones just up the whole time and I was like I'm gonna take a picture of that and I'm like oh I'm just working on my phone don't mind me just catching the light exactly so transparent screen be cut it sounds pretty cool but because I guess it's a slow probably not a good thing to use while driving definitely not a good thing to you guys you never should use your phone will drive right but especially if you think this is gonna help it it's not so definitely cool to play with you know I don't know if it's necessarily going to make your life that much safer but worth a look and it's free free yes and very easy to to turn on and off all right cool we'll check it out all right so we have some email and I will read it now first I want to read it will take turn our first email is from Kevin he wrote in we were talking about the android browser as we referred to at the end of last show and he said hey here's the HTTP user agent for the android browser and for those of you who don't know user agent is sort of how the browser identifies itself to web servers and he points out that the android browser basically what is based on k HTML rendering engine which is first seen in KDE which is sort of a front-end for linux or unix and that Apple basically forked that and created WebKit and anyway the bottom line is that the Android browser was based on web quit which is true but it is not chrome which i think is the point we were making but I don't know we're wrong all the time so who knows what we actually said we don't listen to ourselves and he also says it's sad to see the sea Antoine go but at least now he won't be flailing his phone at the agency and on he said aunt yeah that's true which is very genius of Antoine the ants one did does he play it flailing his phone at the camera for dates I I never noticed him Oh was that what I think he actually gave his phone number way that's what happened oops on there and then he was telling us about how we got a call from someone area Chris oh yes oh wait this sweet um all right once you read us the next email Jessica well okay since you asked so nicely hey guys I just caught your podcast this week where you talk about bigger screens I must be in a minority as I want my phone screen as large as possible given that i just given that the screen is exponentially more than making calls also playing games web surfing videos etc and if he could have gotten the galaxy nexus at the size of the samsung galaxy note or the dell streak and would have had it in a heartbeat great show and that was from Ryan and um that's fine the samsung galaxy note is coming out it's got a big screen it is and it has a little stylist stylist yes that's the word I'm looking for a kind I mean I'm actually going to be reviewing that phone when it comes out release date is februari 19th so why you back definitely have a sentence about the stylus and the phone alright that's great i would definitely want have a discussion about this i think that this is okay i think you're crazy for wanting larger screens but what if you have massive jason howell hands well you better have bigs like here's what I'm gonna show six I think you're crazy if you wanted but this is the great thing about the Android ecosystem you can have the phone you want because there's options versus in some other ecosystems or they're like nope this is the right size and this is the only size you get what other ecosystems are you may be referring to all of them there's only one I can think of actually well I'm an appt only has one but even blackberries like you know see tons of screen sizes you see you kind of do small and you see kind of a little bigger uh what about the touchscreen torch torch is it as it is is it like the Galaxy Nexus another torch to but how big are they I don't remember this bigger this at least 3.5 inches yeah me know like I know like four inch ones is what I'm saying correct um anyway mainly our five point right it's mainly Apple but certainly there's no sighs they're all right we have a voicemail from someone about Facebook hey you guys love this show you know finishing listening to last week's park has run out today on Monday morning I have a political sir you are they having a lot of trouble with a facebook that but love it if anybody noticed that also I got a HTC Amaze my wife has a sensation 4g you know we both been having the same problems you know pictures are unloading contacts on sinking a lot of trouble trouble logging in stuff like that a couple of my friends have it too I'm just wondering you know what this with a is it going on with a new updates or anything like that have you got to experience any of these I just want to I want to know if we're alone I love the show keep it up thanks again looking for for next week's show who'd you guys say to this any problems facebook um you know I only had the Amaze 4g on my desk for a short while I didn't notice any problems with facebook I didn't hear anything from other people but it is integrated into HTC sense if that's what he's talking about yeah I found it to work really well my incredible actually the integration was great but there is an email so we talked about Facebook and syncing last week because there was questions about that and there was a new story that apparently we all missed and josh and a couple others wrote in to tell us about it that Facebook sinking was actually blocked i guess in newer versions of android because it violated the way they did at the Google Terms of Service and this is a story from what sometime last like februari I think and we'll put that in the show notes but I guess if you have a newer phone and you're looking for this sort of HTC level of syncing with facebook that you probably won't get that unless you install a custom rom or something well wait I'm confused because um here it also says that other android phones can do it because whatever skin they're running is actually doing the sinking and not android so the HTC Sense would be sinking if he signed up through sense for facebook and isn't using the facebook app on its own yeah it's a good question because I think that is definitely how HTC was getting around it but could they have changed it between versions or something like that not really all right maybe so we'll look to the audience for help with this one or maybe we'll do research and come back to next or maybe just the facebook app just sucks because it sucks on my phone too and i have a iphone sorry to admit that on the android atlas show yeah it could be facebook is pretty much the best on iphone too it's terrible on mine i don't never works for me ever it may not work but it's like the best layout and user experience android is pretty good too all right one more email here before we wrap up this is a pretty interesting one hey guys love the show up and listening for a few months now as a truck driver really helps the miles fly by I bought a droid or sorry I Motorola Bionic and September and saw the data connectivity issues almost immediately heard there was going to be an OTA update would fix the problem well got the update but airplane mode is still my most used app on the phone in order to reset my data connection I randomly and frequently lose my data connection out of nowhere is there actually a working fix out thanks for all the hard work and great entertainment matt from colorado springs so he is referring to an issue with verizon LTE phones basically when verizon sort of implemented their LTE network they added sort of a new kind of authentication which i guess is different than the way 3g data indication is done it's it's pretty technical put a story about it in the show notes from december i believe but apparently the this is a fact inor has been affecting all of the verizon 4g phones will they will try to authenticate and fail lose data connectivity and some phones retry more often so you don't really necessarily know that this is happening and some phones like I guess the Bionic with Thunderbolt retry less so they looks like they are losing connectivity so as far as we know there has been so fix released but it looks like they haven't necessarily solve the problem for all people and the airplane fix he's referring to is one workaround was to turn off your data connection and turn it back on and don't force it to re-authenticate and it would work so it'd be great to sort of have an official word from verizon on the status of this fix across all devices but as of now I have not heard one and it's kind of a bummer that is it for today so if you want to read more about Android related news and everything that Jessica and jmar have to say cnet com android alice is the place to go you can watch us every wednesday at ten a.m. pacific cnet com / live send us email Android Atlas at cnet com follow us on Twitter we are at Android hatless or you can follow gmr who is at j-mart cabebe follow me hat not my real name Jessica I'm at Jade all court and you can also catch my podcast dialed in every monday at ten a.m. pacific 1 p.m. eastern awesome thanks for being here and if you want to give us a phone call 866 344 seen it we'll see you next week bye everyone