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Brian Tom what's up everybody welcome to the Apple white extra crunchy we are at episode 59 still grindin 59 grind extra crunchy extra money this is the show all about Apple everything the latest news additional stories news stories from our video podcast you know that show this is a complimentary piece it's also a more organic fluid conversation when we got to talk to you all and again you make the show what it is so how can you all participate we do the show live so you can follow us on twitter at brian Tong or steven Beecham at what your is yours at Steven Steven betray me yes or with eh we almost should quite honestly create our own tweet called a beach and tong yes or something along those lines to be riding a giant joint with apple on Oh totally totally I like that um use the Apple for something yes you know you know you guys can call us at one eight hundred 61 62 63 eight leave your name your number not your number name someone pick someone did someone did leave your name where you're from we also actually like you to add on and contribute to the progression of the show from what I mean by that is a lot of you have questions that you won't have answered but for example last week we talked about AI and we didn't actually have any calls about artificial intelligence this week I'm curious what you guys think about that is Apple behind it so when we have a topic of a show where topic that becomes kind of at the forefront and becomes an important thing that we go back and forth about we want to hear what you guys think so you can contribute to this again this is your show just as much as it is ours yes we need the hive mind we love the hive mind you guys have contributed plenty of time so let's get to the show a lot of stories going on here right now I think the number one most pent up demand when it comes to apple products is everyone is asking about the macbooks when are the new macbooks coming when will we see them we talked about it a little bit about it last week how Apple changed their dates for their earnings report they moved it from the October the 27th to the 25th so macbooks are clearly on our mind with all the rumors and rumblings are saying that apple may indeed actually announced new macbooks on the twenty-seventh October that would be a Thursday I believe I have to double check my calendar say yeah so uh for those of you who are looking around wondering what to do just just wait around then and we'll answer some questions and our phone calls but just to give you a current the current state of why Apple needs these so much apple mac shipments slid thirteen percent in quarter three of this year along with an overall pc market slow now why is it important so this is if you compare them to where they were at last year apple mac shipments lid thirteen percent now the overall industry when we just talk about pcs as a whole slid around 55 ish percent okay but Apple is at thirteen percent that's a double that's a big jump we know Apple hasn't upgraded their macbooks for a long time yes we know a lot of you are waiting for the next thing for me all the rumors point to this new macbook pro with an oled touch bar and I think it's cool i do i really want to see how cool it actually is am I I don't know though if that's enough for me to buy a new laptop I think that now these days it's about just giving us the most powerful laptop we always want new features I I still think it's really cool but we've seen this done in gaming laptops from a razor it's not even if they put touch ID on it we are in what's called the post-pc era pc shipments overall have declined Oh consecutively the past eight quarters okay overall the industry overall what does that tell you what are you guys using your devices for the most hmm I wonder hmm I wonder what you guys are using the most right now yeah exactly the phone exactly a phone the phone is the computer laptops like a very secondary thing right now you know it's like I mean we use them for work but personal use it's like I have a phone I don't really need a laptop if you're in a content creation you're using a computer of some sort yes and yes you are using it for email and whatnot but the this whole idea that it's going to just change the fortunes of Apple by releasing an OLED touch bar it's not going to happen it just isn't it will the Mac line has always been kind of an unsaid piece of the puzzle to their earnings it's part of the puzzle they bring in I think if I recall right man I shouldn't actually I don't want it I don't want to go on a lemon throw out a number of how many millions of dollars it makes up per quarter because I'm gonna be wrong right now I just don't want to spit out but i but I believe it makes up somewhere around like still twenty five percent of their overall earnings somewhere around twenty to twenty-five percent and that's a big chunk you can't just abandon that so the market overall is down but let's talk about that phone thing that phone thing the iphone maybe there's better better you know greener pastures ahead at least for the iphone according to Apple insiders a report from investment firm UBS we know that iphone sales have declined last quarter they're most likely going to decline again this quarter but momentum according to UBS from the current iphone 7 is going to help carry them into 2017 they report or estimate that it will spurn eight percent unit growth for the fiscal year of 2017 fiscal year technically starts um basically this q4 of 2016 is q1 fiscal year of 2017 so those last three months october november december is q1 fiscal quarter I see although in our regular calendar it is q4 of the year so they oh they expect a eight percent unit growth and then of course we like to talk about the iphone x iphone future iphone 8 or please don't make the iphone 7s that would go don't do that that would just be stupid no no no no according to them also in 2018 oh they expect to see a sixteen percent year-over-year growth in units purely because of the iphone i know some people like saying oh the iphones gonna get a whole bunch of lift because the galaxy exploded twice that's not gonna say i don't know if it's gonna be that big of lift quite honest I think android over all other Android manufacturers are going to see the bay gains from this whole Samsung debacle so you people will not go to an iphone they're gonna go to like a galaxy some will some will but I don't think it's gonna be like oh fifty percent of Samsung Note users are going to go get an iphone now yeah I think it might be maybe ten percent me a lot of those people a lot of those people are touting like the note 7 was the most advanced buzz in the world was and now it's not being made anymore so what's the nest next most advanced phone in the world iphone 7 it depends on what you're looking at for example true uh if you want it's it's gonna start coming down to certain features do you want the best AI in a phone well we talked about that last week that's a google pixel Google right so yeah um best camera what is that yeah that's camera arguably s'alright yeah arguably according to dxomark who rates these cameras they say and they they believe that the pixel camera is also the best rated camera overall in a mobile device ever highest score ever that's pretty big so um it doesn't mean though here again is the always it doesn't mean that that phone is the best one for you yes like it's not for me hey not for me just cuz a phone has the best specs doesn't mean it's the best phone for you like my mom my mom bless her like I don't even know yeah mrs. mama tongue I don't even know what iOS version she's using right now she might do me using eight for all I know like do you help her out with that stole my gosh I I mean I didn't know there were features on the iphone like increasing the font size to as large as possible I didn't know us I don't know the font could get that large about that let's just put it that way I'm like what is going on here but you know a pixel phone is not going to be a good phone for my mom there's no matter what it is not cuz just because of the use of use abilities ability her change you know okay even when you just upgrade her phone it's it's like teaching someone come let's not even teaching someone how to write a binuclear had a lot it's likely your weapon or teaching someone how to crawl and then walk it's not it's not even like a bike no it's it's really it's really hard so um apple iphone 8 iphone ex iphone future whatever you want to call it prospects obviously look pretty good and then there were a few patents that were thrown around this past week about a new super resolution camera with this folded design that may aid in saving space as well as provide better zoom and image quality and then there was another patent that was granted apple recently just overall about new display tech that really points to the fact that this next phone or a future phone will be having edge-to-edge glass display but completely not know black bezel whatsoever I'm will see that look kind of cool we'll see I this stuff is always we'll see we'll see how this is if you want to talk about the future though and kind of the bane one of the talking points for our show this week Tim Cook interview recently by BuzzFeed news and BuzzFeed is getting a lot of access to Tim Cook recently I've noticed this because i follow this he's a fan for sure um Tim Cook talked about Apple's augmented reality ambitions now cook in the past has alluded to the fact that he an apple prefer augmented reality / virtual reality cook told to BuzzFeed news there's no substitute for human contact and so you want the technology to encourage that we are high on AR for the long run I think AR can be huge and he also echoed these comments earlier at during an ABC interview and he said this in earnings reports as well virtual reality no is exploding now you know taking you away into these new worlds and experiences we have the HTC vive we have the oculus rift and the PlayStation VR just came out now I own a ps4 have you tried it I haven't tried well I've tried it in its earlier form but I'm going to get one purely because I want if I had to choose one I would most likely based on my experiences I would want to oculus rift from a hardware standpoint okay because they have these crazy touch controls but it's going to cost me a PC and a set up it's probably gonna cost you around 2,000 3,000 bucks well guess what I have a ps4 to get a more than capable above-average VR experience on a ps4 I only cost me 500 more bucks so what do you think what do you what are you gonna do at a PS quad we're gonna get one right what why would you not if you have a ps4 when you know that the tech is only gonna get better are you really gonna drop 3 g's on this right now and I get early adopters I love you because you have to we need early adopters in men I'd be the first to tell you I'm an early adopter in different things yeah totally we need all the feedback and stuff but UH one of my old homies from GameSpot ryan mcdonald he's tweeting about playing arkham aside Batman Arkham Asylum don't seem boiler don't spoil that so I mean right there like how much are they how much are they I need them the set up basically the the full set up is 500 bucks that's not bad that's not bad at all it's supposed to be comfy um they say the resolution is a little lower than your screen so it can bother you but they say it's good enough I think that this whole rumbling of a ps4 pro is gonna help amp up that graphic fidelity through the headset but again we're gonna talk yeah we're gonna it'll improve but again Apple's not playing in VR they want to play in AR he's all Tim Cook is always referenced pokemons go as like a great they are experienced in come on it was it is and it was but this is some BuzzFeed also outlined some of the little steps that Apple has taken that point to the fact that they are really deep into some of this AR stuff but again Apple has yet to connect the dots to put anything out there like that we know this in 2013 apple acquired a company called primeSense this was the company that was behind the most the sorry the xbox kinect technology they built the xbox kinect cameras apple acquired that company so that was like the original gaming hardware dance central is one of my favorite games of all time game so good right so they acquired that company in 2013 in May of 2015 apple also acquired a German augmented reality firm called met Matt Mateo few months later they snapped up phase shift there the company behind real time motion capture technology used in Star Wars the movies they recently purchased poached a VR research scientists Yuri Petrov from facebook oculus division they also acquired a gentleman from magic leap which is has oh you have the ball magic leap is magic leap is the bomb their goal of an augmented reality of basically looking wherever you are and not only just getting information but experiencing things like a whale jumping out of the floor as if it was on the ocean yeah like jessa cool stuff the stuff that we've seen from them is pretty well we can find something so Apple is done a lot of these different things they have built the a team of people to work on augmented reality and they believe it is the platform and really Tim Cook is not hiding anything from us this is what they are going to do to move forward when it comes to this space because and I do agree with virtual reality you're locked away from people but then we see a lot of games where people are sitting around a TV seen what the person sees laughing with them while they're in a VR experience doesn't magically demo yeah like a robot underneath underneath a table like underneath the fidelity yeah pretty redonkulous pretty ridiculous looking so we'll see find the whale thing you know what they're gonna call you know what they're gonna call their augmented reality platform right I have no Apple reality Apple reality I just came up with that just now it's gonna be called Apple reality I was gonna I was saying I hope it's not gonna be like I reality or something haha I goggle do it it's gonna be Apple reality I ish you not I swear that's what again parable that's turrible turrible we'd like to take this moment to tell you that we don't have a word from our sponsor in fact it's just me and Beecham yes this is this we are the sponsor right now but it's a sponsor nothing that dog is our sponsor in life yes but uh there's rumblings that we might be getting someone a next episode swig but we're still in business oh yeah we're always in business so I just want to take a breather we have some more stories here all in the app world you know Tim Cook was talking about how he wants an experience where look it's a shared experience we like augmented reality we should be able to reach out and touch things and be a part of it I don't know if they're taking this too far but maybe they're applying some of this we want people to reach out and touch our products in stores this is just recently happened uh in store openings there's a redesign a regent street store in london england i was just reopened as well as apples yorkdale location in toronto canada apple is no longer tethering and this is for those you watching there's some great shots of the reason sir Apple is no longer tethering their phones with that kind of like annoying uh cable cable magnetic sticky thing that was on there if you pulled it off it's an alarm they are completely just letting the products be so you can grab and hold them and I will tell you this from someone who worked at an apple retail store during its first about two years they may they may think that this is a good idea it's not a good but when they first started doing that in our stores it was not a good idea yeah i mean when i first heard about that I was like that's there's gonna be some people running out of the store with phones and people tackling people and the violence if you know if you have ever worked in a retail store first things first okay when someone steal something you have to actually catch them in the act and basically talk to them but you can't accuse them of stealing oh you can't they can put something in their pocket yeah and you can talk to them they can even walk out the store but unless you see them and approach you there's not much you can actually do to stop someone from stealing something so you have to have like fully like full probable it's not even probable cause even if you say I saw you steal that handed over they can say I didn't see anything and walk away they literally can't we were never we were told never to chase anyone because you never know if someone was around the corner yeah and knocking you out you I'll tell you one of the greatest stories that i know and i'm not encouraging this but an apple reit or retail thievery okay so during the holiday season they would put all the boxes of the ipods stacked against the wall and people could walk up and just grab one box and say hey i want to buy this they wanted it to feel really accessible okay homeboy came to our store in a trench coat walked up to the counter lean forward and extended his trench coat around roughly six to eight iPods grab them pull them in his trench coat and walked out the store and you guys you guys all saw him we assume you couldn't do a couple people saw him do it so what happens you just get his picture on camera yeah and you hope to find him next time but you still can't you can't it's when it's there's a difference between stealing from someone's house versus stealing from retail store yeah you know the way but it just is really hard so all I'm saying is is this this whole idea of untethering things is not a good thing it sounds like it's inviting problems oh there you know everyone has like a loss prevention percentage was it just last week we had that guy going through the apple store just smashing all those phones like and they were tethered oh yeah and we know it look there's not enough security all you have to do is just run in there grab a couple and run out oh well I guess their whole thing is like oh we got iCloud find my iphone hunted so you might not you I actually not want to do that that's I'm just saying so that that's one thing that the doing if you want to it looks like it appears that the iphone 7 plus in jet black is now widely available in us stores we're talking about everywhere from major cities Chicago h-town Los Angeles i know i'm showing you i'm gimme all shout outs Miami New York Philly San Diego San Francisco the iphone 7 plus jet black appears to be readily available in these stores Wow northern in northern middle of America they're just like no apple store in sight look at that yeah there's also no people this is how people move flying over there I got it my love for you Montana and North Dakota I got nothing but love for you okay you have you Apple by loves North Dakota and Montana I remember I flew over all those states coming back from together right and all I could see was just white yeah that white ground yeah I want knowing I want someone from North Dakota or Montana to give us a call just to show us to show this love back holla holla lata play uh we also have apple quietly updating their website and confirming that the nike Plus Apple watch is going to launch on October the 28th this is kind of the s'more sport geared nike partnership nike branded apple watch with some customizable faces in and really some interface stuff but really it's still an apple watch and it has that sporty bandwidth like the vault and white and black and Gray's it's cool if that's you know if you want to use it like that I think it's pretty neat I'm in the tractor metrics and displays them on why would I assume to believe is a custom watch face that you can only get with a nike+ watch because the Nike+ app exists and you don't have those faces so that's coming out on october 28 and then just to follow up with Samsung and Apple we know they've been going back and forth back and forth since 2011 over these patent infringement is swipe to unlock your phone looks like my phone recently this past week their case finally made it to the Supreme Court for an appeal basically Samsung is appealing the fact that app they owe Apple basically all of their profits from the phones that they sold that were found to be violating these these patent infringement sore infringing on Apple's patents let me just say that properly so the Supreme Court justices a few of them right off the bat said we can see how there might be a similarity but it's not like someone bought a samsung phone entirely thinking that it was because it looked like an apple phone they probably also bought it for other reasons right it might have a few other features it's an android phone so what point no really right even though it kind of looks like it yeah it's not like come on no one's like oh buddy here they might have stolen our design what smartphones look like so ultimately it's going to be about two or three months for the Supreme Court to finally rule on this aspect of the case they will then send it back down to the lower courts to decide the final final amount that Samsung owes apple this has been going on since 2011 people oh my gosh and it's just interesting how 2016 Samsung's phone who was arguably finally going to surpass what the iphone did exploded twice so sad so sad so ya know seven they they're not winning um not not very much we're for a minute if they were for a minute they were so you know that's a lot of the stuff I think that we should just go hit up the voice mails and see what you all are talking about in all right you guys make this show what it is so let's do it thank you for calling here we go thank you hey guys i'm calling from Thomas in New South Wales Australia Brian Beecham great show by the way this I guess I just wanted to ask you quickly I've got a macbook pro now that I've had for about five years and I just feel as though from it's time for me to upgrade should I be waiting for anything have you heard any news about the new macbook pro was yet or should I upgrade now considering that I don't name performance in a big way it's only sort of like a working machine could i downgrade you say me something like a macbook air and be happy with that great show guys look forward to your answer cheers I think the best answer for a lot of people is look always wait for new product announcement because the current stuff gets lower in price refurbished stuff gets lower in price if you just need a basic computer and you don't need anything hi Lee know anything processor intensive or Ram intensive just wait till the new ones come out and then look for scoops on the refurbished sites like you have to literally do it right after they announced it though right after I was like right after do you want to wait like a week or something for them to adjust pricing holding a lot of times they will already adjust pricing right when it happens okay so I'm just saying do it do it and if you're in that spot cool okay next call hey guys this is Joel Zwick from New York oh I was just wondering what do you guys think what happened if Tim Cook wasn't to see Oh anymore like what would happen if he quit was who will take his job alright talk to you guys later bye now at first when we talked about this Beach you're like I don't know cares right right do you have an opinion beach I don't I don't really like who would replace him like I quite honestly I don't know but I will say this it led me to think and I've been thinking about this a long time once Steve Jobs past everyone said oh Johnny I've is still there he's the great designer he is the one that makes apple arms designs and what Apple is okay I'm gonna I'm gonna throw I'm gonna let's look at this objectively do you think we would have would Steve Jobs would he have ever approved of the iphone battery pack to look like that no no there is no way there's just no way he's all about plain lines like a and you know what he would say go back to the drawing board there's plenty of stories of how nitpicky Steve Jobs was for those of you that don't know even if you remember the very when the imac took on this whole new design that had that movable neck that you could move around that was inspired not by jony ive but because Steve Jobs saw a sunflower and said let's make a computer that looks like a sunflower okay that was his idea and you know it was him who like grabbed the neck of it and said this is good enough okay jony ive's to designs that are his and his alone have been the iphone battery case or at least under his watch seriously and the earpods the air pods okay the iphone battery case and the air pods think this is the battery cases the apple the Apple watch I think a lot of people some people debate why did you make a round watch I think the Apple watch is cool I don't think it's anything we haven't seen before it's literally just the rounded corners of a nap and if that's good enough that's fine I actually really do enjoy the Apple watch but from a standpoint of like who approved the iphone battery case you can't tell me that's good design I know you can't and it was also Brosius fixing a problem with their battery life which points out something negative about the phone like having a crappy battery so and I mean I just ice need to point that out so I don't even think Johnny I've said that he always wanted to make like cups like like when he was done with Apple he'd like to make like cups well they just you just redesigned the grocery bags they did this the sort a sore back those it does another great innovation that is a that that received a patent from apple so I love again I do not dislike Johnny I've but there's there's other things like okay Apple pencil hey bro like you're gonna have it stick out of your us your lightning port sorry and there's no place to put it other than it just sticks around me you guys didn't say hey maybe we should just copy Microsoft and put magnets on it so that it doesn't get lost like I'm just saying there's there there's some there's a there's been a clear disconnect so still oh yeah but who made the iphone who approved the iphone battery case I still I still don't get that like there were a group of people in a room and they all were like yeah this is great this is ok looks great let's put it out sweet that's a bad apple alright next call wait did I answer his good guy ya know I did good rant man I'm just saying hey guys this is an from Philly um love the show I had a quick question for you guys I want to buy a mac i do not know which one to buy I wanted to get your thoughts on it I'm not a heavy gamer I'm not doing any type of editing or anything like that video editing anything like that I just kind of wanted a a mac for everyday use I do have the iphone and a apple watch and Apple TV so I'm in the ecosystem so I want to get a mac I don't know which one to get gangstar all right my man I think that it sounds like you want a portable and you don't want to desktop so that's clear I don't how about this for my use it's always going to come down to screen size what you're comfortable with you're doing multimedia screen sizes king that will dictate it I'm not a fan of the super slim macbook yet because I just don't think it's powerful enough it's actually kind of slow so maybe it's a 13 inch mac a new macbook pro that they end up coming out with that fits you or you can get the current macbook retinas when they get low in price because not do anything high-power these guys have more than enough power press retina retinas been really good for me Brenda Zardo vast only thing I like is the body yeah it's like a little chunky nose like sharp yeah yeah the edges the sharp edges yeah but it's fast it works in the screen looks amazing yeah obviously so I you know maybe just tweet me and we could get into it more because it whenever someone asked me what computer should buy i do want to know what you do but it even goes beyond that you know it always go there's way more like achoice is there's way more to it than that and mate you know maybe it's maybe your type person I could just do an ipad pro even shoot i don't know ipad pro those i like a crow I like a small screen personally like these these pcs right in front of me yeah I dig these medium you dig him good size all right next call all right next call hi my name is Helen and I'm calling from New York City love your shows so I'm a big fan of a small size smartphone I know it's not a train going on nowadays that's why I was very thrilled when the Apple made iphone SE currently I have the phone and I love it awesome battery life and it does everything that I need to do with the phone do you think apple will continue making 4 inch smartphone thank you I think it's not going away anytime soon it's actually a big moneymaker for them yeah they couldn't even keep it in stock first molt at least I think two or three months their their inventory was low on it so my niece uses the 5-inch than iphone SE and it's more it's more than capable for her yeah I mean it's like just holding in your hand you could tell a big difference it's much easier like I'm still complained about my success I know I talked about going to the se but I'm just too lazy to like go through that trouble to do it you know but uh wait why don't you like your 6s cuz it's just too big yeah it's too big baby you know it's like after I've gotten used to it though I've gotten like more comfortable i have balancing it when i push buns will and walk I've heard that a few times with my iPhone yes with my iPhone okay lasted hi this is Martin from Raleigh North Carolina calling and uh this is a question for both Stephan and Brian both of you tube but I would like you two to answer individually and with your own opinions so in your opinion what was the best Apple promo or advertisement video that has ever been publicly available um for example you can pick from the 1984 uh commercial or from the iphone 4 promo video but would love to know your thoughts love the show thanks bye ok this is I thought this is a fun question so it's the best Apple TV ad or promo that you can remember or ad campaign if you're watching and you can chime in with yours there's plenty I think no matter what right the Super Bowl 1984 @ is the as always even been rated as the most iconic television commercial of all time yeah it kind of looks like today like what's happening right now you mean Howard is my present slaves do computers yeah everyone's just staring at us I mean I've seen I've seen that glazed look on people's faces before yeah but the night so let's get this out of the way the 1984 commercial is the best one but I think there were several memorable ones unfortunately Apple hasn't done a memorable commercial in at least four or five years and I'll talk to you and we'll talk about why Beachum what was some of your favorite ones or which ones the campaign that sticks out in your mind oh yeah when I was thinking about it and I did like a little search on youtube and I found the the uh these guys I'm a Mac I'm a PC yeah just all right that was a great Hodgman and these are these are brilliant because great they really like pointed out problems with the pc and things that Mac would help out with what what exactly do you mean by better by better I mean making website or photo book is easy for me and for you it's not oh oh that kind of better guess what they're talking about right there the timeout I life and everyone asks about I life because they did photos and movies look here's another I life person yeah it's just little something to hold my slow jams yeah yeah and work so seamlessly with I sorry so uh the get a mac campaign where they personified the mac of the PC platforms was a good one I also adds that stuck out in my mind I remember and it was kind of playing off on the well there's a few actually okay let's talk about they did when they had the UH macbook pro a set 17 inch screen it was the the kind of this super big mac book pro and it was a yao ming and verne troyer mmm it was a I can't see I can't even it was the macbook pro um hi can t remember what it was called a 12 inch screen I can see this things happen so fast here it was Yao Ming and Verne Troyer is this it yeah yes a lot of non talking between them right now it's a silent movie presenting the new 12 inch powerbook the world's most empowerment full-featured notebook computer and the new 17 empower the world's first and only 17 inch notebook computer there you go cool the power books that was fun they did they also had the first very first macbook air where Steve Jobs he took it out of an envelope but the TV ad actually showed it in an envelope I thought that was actually kind of crazy oh yeah yeah but look also I mean you can't talk about Apple ads without time out their iconic like iTunes colored silhouettes on music type stuff yeah like also just the music in the in the most recent like iPhone videos or commercials you know like the music is iconic to like whenever I hear that kind of music I'm like oh that sounds like an apple add you know it's like yeah very specific I will say though that Apple ads in general just have tanked off because they used to use a giant day which was the advertising firm too and they worked closely with Steve Jobs to come up with some these really cool campaigns but they don't use them anymore and that's why you see like the ads are kind of more like an experiential like okay I get it like you know the time be like all hips are cool my god this like I things out like a I've seen the side of the pillow yourself you've seen this out of Billy times like boring it's not creative like quite honestly I haven't seen a creative ad from Apple in at least three or four years they even did an ad where they had like I believe and they got pulled immediately it was like it was someone from like the genius bar and he's running like an apple retail shirt uh it was short lived because they were so horrendous it was just that bad I'm trying to search I can't I don't even know if they exist Apple Genius ads maybe yeah I don't know I I don't even know like this it yes yeah it was like oh this is such duty what do you what do you mean basically basically it looks like a Mac great it came loaded with all the great apps like iphoto I'm movie garageband not ringing a bell huh no we sold this to you he did said he's basically an apple genius no so this is nothing like a Mac basically not not no no no yeah terrible worst effin bad ever awful that's the type of crap that we got now like dude he's trying to get that Justin Long energy that is no this quite manage its this is it's just garbage or so anyways Apple adds you need to step your game up but I don't I don't see it because there's no one that like is so emotionally tied to it the way that SJ was in chat day was honestly is one of the great advertising firms of all time so yeah so they were there any other ones up before we before and I can really think of I mean we've pretty much covered some of the best ones I'm trying I did actually think there was the very first ipod ad and the only reason I liked it is because at the time it's a guy like dancing around kind of in his apartment and they show how he sinks his music at the time no one really knew what an ipad was I ipod was no one knew what like an mp3 player could really do and in a quick way it um it just showed off what it could do is the very first ipod edits we're gonna find it see if you can it's like the guys kind of like it's like a grey looking apartment like it's not i found it this is it it's kind of everyone in the country this is bumpin bumpin to music he's like syncing up his itunes dragging it over to his ipod it's comping it over and i own that ipod still today and it works he's just dancing now everyone who knows this well people that okay yeah he's just dancing way too much but again you have to remember these are ads from that's like like ten two thousand don't even know how 1000 2000 those 2001 yeah man that ipod thing was a game changer for me oh it was awesome so anyways boys and girls there you go just a little nostalgia to look back at some of those ads i was a great question because I kind of just set that up for us it was fun yeah it was really fun okay um you know what if you guys want to continue to be a part of this show again all you have to do is just call us and leave your name where you're from your message your commentary 1 800 61 62 63 eight but I think that's gonna do it for this week beach that's I think we're going home employees of us are we're playing playing this out laying it out playing down alright see you guys peace secure 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