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hey everybody welcome to cnet's open tab this is the show where we wrap up the week some drinks and break down the tech topics with you live right here on facebook i'm jeff bakalar and with me is the lovely and talented lauda martinez from cnet espanol and last week's bartender now allowed to breathe free air this week's topic bringer we're going to call you topic bringer senior associate editor Joseph Kaminski what is up sir hey how's everything great great ok hold on you hold that thought Mike Sorrentino is over in the control room with Brian Van Gelder he's watching your facebook comments and we'll be bringing you into our conversation so if you want to comment on what we're talking about sending a little comment Mike's gonna see it he's going to put it in the speaker here we're going to talk about it now it doesn't have to be just tech it could be anything you want to talk about your creepy mother-in-law yeah we'll talk about her we'll get that straightened out for you that's what we're here for this is an open forum we are ready to talk to you so make sure you comment in the section below so Joseph we heard that something going on with Apple and Google and a new sort of payment system it's freaking you out let's get down to it so this week Apple announced that they are going to start well they currently charged thirty percent for subscriptions to their app store to developers um able to make that correct so they plan on doing moving forward if these developers can maintain the subscribers for over a year period they will then charge them 15% thereafter so it's in their best interest to maintain the subscribers for a year it sounds like them you know like the movie theater model you know how that works we're like a movie comes out the first couple of weeks the studio gets all the money but then as time goes by the money shifts and the theater gets more of the money similar kind of thing ever they charge less for popcorn at that point yeah google also announced something similar without the retention rule they also are going to charge fifteen percent but they haven't yet stated what date that take place Apple's is supposed to go into effect jun 13 so your gears are grinded what's what's the problem my gears are Clark I'm all for the developers making money my gears are grinding because I don't want to get stuck paying for a subscription for them to make me the beta tester if you're going to put out a product what does this have to do with beta testing well my whole point is if you're gonna put out a product right like if you're going to develop an app and I'm going to be charged a monthly subscription for this set appt right I wanted to perform as advertised across all my devices I don't want it to maybe work on my iPhone or not my iPad or on my you know my family but I don't think that applies to like what they're trying to sell well i'm not that i was there trying to sell but i just don't know how it's like with this incentive you can have people coming out of the woodworks trying to manufacture apps for subscription-based right and I don't want poor quality I don't want the quality of the app to suffer okay try to get a monthly payment all right oh do you do you have an opinion on this life no yeah but I actually had a quest younger my question was like if I already paid for my from my app we're talking about maybe angry birds as a silly example I already pay for it or didn't pay for it but I have it what would happen then let's supposedly they make this deal and now that they're they're gonna let users pay maybe a dollar a month to use it what happens with the people that are already downloaded okay people who have it already are either grandfathered in or they have some sort of grace period I don't know because I haven't really as far as I don't understand Apple hasn't really said it right there was an interview nice schiller saying a couple of things to couples gonna video I am too polite but I think one thing you you can kind of say that's probably gonna happen is an app that would maybe be like five bucks up front maybe this is like a dollar a month kind of thing where you feel okay or like a 99-cent a month sort of thing we're like you feel okay leaving a dollar a month but maybe that five buck you know the 599 699 upfront costs kind of scares people away is we're right we don't even like if you had to pay a dollar a month like you feel sometimes like the month is ending and then you have to use it it's not weird it is weird well I don't know real quick our control is telling you to configure Mike a little bit know that that also brings that also brings like another point like I'm like app developers that kullu and Netflix don't really I don't think they'll have much to worry about because I do I continuously have them but like maybe there's a certain app you may have for like eight months and then you may cancel a subscription and they maybe three months later pick it up for like another five months does Apple start you all over again on the clock or do they give you credit for that you still get the fifteen percent because you've exceeded a total of twelve months there's a lot of gray areas it's just not clear right now it's you know I just I I don't if it's a good app I definitely have no problem paying for I mean especially if I can give my son a nap to play with and he never asked to ask me for in-app purchase again and maybe also been eliminated a lot of the advertisements yeah I'm curious to hear what everyone watching on Facebook things don't forget send in your questions your comments whatever you want to talk about we are happy to address any concerns you may have I want to talk about like the whole psychology of like subscription-based sort of stuff right because you know there's certain things that I'm cool with giving money to write every month like Netflix for example five blocks were hey Jeff uh we do have a couple comments with uh some person was like so is this like Apple music do you guys think that these models will become more like all the other subscriptions we get into yeah I mean that's kind of like what I'm a little mad at Apple music rain you're mad at it well because I like like everyone like well like everyone like everyone else I had like a number of original release songs in my my iphone and right in my account and they've gotten erased and redownloaded with the remastered version fortunately for me I have an older system with a lot of them on there but now I gotta go dig them out I gotta like rear it my CDs I mean I gotta look for you gotta re rip your seat welcome some of them like a some of the tracks that's actually to put the remastered version I like the original I just wait something's nostalgia you like I have CDs yes I have CDs you have five CDs but like remastered is a better master it doesn't take me back to that moment when I first heard it you're a crazy fan I will be crazy I just I want that feeling you know it stop everybody likes the original mac why do people like vinyl they like that rewrites you like vinyl go play gold I have I know dude but I need to borrow one of Justin's turntables a plug into my computer look at me right now I'm looking at you right now don't promise me look at me and promise me you Don't rear if all your CDs oh no no I'm just my favorite certain tracks w gotta hold out okay not really I amazon you know thriller poorly come on I have a thriller megamix ins watch out he's got the Turner megabits that's who you know I just wanted I mean there's a few comments that maybe you guys should get to them but i just wanted to point out something i also know that one of the changes coming yeah is it like the the apps are going to be now listed a ranked based on who pays for them which is an interesting metrics you want to know yeah but to me that's also kind of a problem because i'm used to like going to the app store and look for it for an app that i want and then it gets a lot of stars yeah as you live on the top free tab yeah but now it's gonna be like the Google pay searches and then I mean I don't know again like you say people have to make money I mean another another thing that comes the question is maybe now you might see a shift because Google's is giving you fifteen percent right now to take I'm sorry Google's only taking fifteen percent right off the bat once that starts maybe people might not want to wait that whole year period Apple you make people see people just jump on the Google Play bandwagon and start developing developing so release actually that's one of one of the comments are just just rode here's a solution don't use a prop it sounds like that's like subscription-based diamonds are here to stay whether or not you want them it is a frustrating for me it's it's it's a little scary because it's not something I necessarily want to get in bed with you know that's not I like I don't know there's certain apps that I've paid for that I'm like totally happy I pay for them I'm also curious which apps will lend themselves to a subscription model more so right like your example with like a game like an angry i wouldn't pay a dollar to be plating maybe fifty cents a month well that's a no i paid maybe once to download it and took play with it in to have it yeah and that's it if I want to use it I you said you know I know it's mine right no it's not like Netflix i understand but that's different right they are serving your new console to their refreshing content all the time for me there's new stuff in the game well here's another here's another factor in here what about I feel like in an area where you're not getting a good cell phone signal or something all of a sudden it needs to ping the server to authenticate that you're actually still alive subscriber right there are a lot of things a lot of hangups a lot of things that I think need to be worked out another concern of mine at least is that if I'm going to subscribe to multiple apps I don't want like a dollar here a dollar there if they can compile it into one bill maybe monthly that mistake take that out the way to look at a statement that says you know I'm like who are these who are these fingers so um that you know depending on how clean that is and they're gonna make it as easy as possible so they say for you to spend money I mean cuz I'm even I've even I don't know I mean you don't use an iOS device but I like an iPad but I mean like I sometimes i'm on the ground and I'm like trying to play a song that is locally on my phone and sometimes it hangs up because it's really thing Apple music or whoever or whatever that is soon so people could say no you're and I have my offline it is offline so um there's a lot of things going on in the background that we're not always aware of their show you guys over in the chat we have on how people saying that a little good if Google's about to do the same thing is the concern you think equal between both or is one scary than the other I also we're going to call a last call for comment so you have any other questions or if things who wants to bring up send them in now I think Google's in a good position um they they're coming out their aggressive they're they're giving the developer more incentive to develop for their platform and and if in fact the developer is making more money right off the bat they can charge the end-user less money for the subscription I mean if you're paying 30 per se if the first year Apple subscribers getting banged out for thirty percent or should I say Apple developers ignorant about thirty percent they're gonna maybe try to make up some revenue to continue adding new features or our new value to their apps like you know how we always you know not handicapped an android version but wait wait for that maybe that's not something we're gonna kind of like how it used to be back in the day with like Windows apps for smack out look so much better on a Windows machine until actually Mac you know yeah that's what I'm most curious to see how it affects what apps look like and what what kind of app can adopt the subscription-based payment service you're like I'm not paying like a dollar so i can get the bluebird it's just simply not going to be not only thing I wanted to say is like maybe the good for me as a user the good thing would be that that's an incentive also for developers to do less crappy apps like if they if they have the incentive of keeping me engaged for a full year so they get more money then maybe they will be serving me a better a better stuff but like the meetings that little crash or maybe we don't get this pop-up ads oh no that well I definitely give it to the advertisements and in our purchases that would be great right I think yeah like there should be a rule anything else there's a guy there should be no pack that cost ninety-nine dollars in any in person no I know but listen I was something to someone the other day and we're talking about Netflix and I said well you know what Netflix you don't get ads because you're already happy and willing to pay your monthly subscription and then this person who happens to work on netflix told me yeah don't be surprised we get like attached no I'm gonna add before Adam I'm going to be I've been paying the extra two dollars for a hulu with no commercials yeah that is what came but cable started the idea was it there was no gonna be any ads right uh now you for like premium pretty like AG no no it's what yes I think yeah if you think Netflix is not gonna have advertised on devil here I don't doubt that well this is just just not not after the show starts I'll I'll you know I'll go get popcorn or whatever for the ad at the beginning and i'll definitely hit in nothing nothing and now i don't want it i don't want anything in the middle yeah alright that's the whole point of it the immersive experience i'd love that if that does it for all the comments in our facebook live 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