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there this year so I think they're trying it keep it in the Silicon Valley I think for the attendees I look I went to San Jose State University that is blocks away from the college that I attended but come on there's so much more to do in San Francisco then there isn't a I feel bad for all the people who flew in for this and ended up in sorry no offense all right um I didn't realize how crazy all want to talk about WWDC 2007 - the lines are completely filled lit up y'all leg yo lit a F ok that's the first time last time we're gonna say that on this podcast I don't know about that I don't know about that now that you said that I might use it a few more times okay so um we know a lot of things we're gonna see obviously WWDC a revamp to the operating systems but ladies let's just kind of go around in a circle I would love to hear from you what you guys hope personally what you guys want to see I'll start with whatever you guys want to go uh I don't mind starting why don't you I did have to change my headphones because why yeah exactly what you just heard um I I want to see a refresh of the MacBook Air I think it's ridiculous that Apple just kind of put it on the back burner I know it's a favorite for a lot of people um who use the air to get through college and have a lot of allegiance to it so I want to see a refresh on the MacBook Air um even if it's just minor just keep it alive and I have to say I'm most excited for Apple to finally get in the Smart speaker game good lord gosh I mean it's so sad and we can talk about this more but they set the stage with Siri years before anybody else did a personal assistant and then they just kind of ignored it and let Amazon and Google walk all over them so I want to see a smart speaker that I might actually want to buy okay miss Lexie I'm excited about iPads no actually I'm not come on I'm excited about iPad y'all come on I'm the iPad loser guy who loves that there's a market and there's no time okay your that your that's the five percent market time I'm the tablet naysay oh yeah however I'm excited like Sharon says about Siri I really want to see some excitement in the series space I want to see how they're going to answer Google especially after i/o this year that they announced a lot of interesting stuff around the assistant and artificial intelligence specifically now I also want to know where Apple's going to go with augmented reality reality right so they are really really behind in this space in terms of what we've seen pretty much see nothing from Apple so I want to know if they're going to be working on a standalone headset are they working on a hololens are they working on something integrated with the iphone like what are we going to see in terms of the implementation of those two cameras on the seven plus like what are we going to see I want to see some augmented reality I want to see some mixed reality it's something fun something crazy you know I quite honestly for me this is probably the most exciting potential keynote we've seen in a long time and the reason why I say that is because we actually don't know too much look we know everything about the iPhone we really do we know about 80 percent of the new iPhone that's coming out in September but here at WWDC we really don't have any real meat and potatoes when we're talking about what they're going to do with iOS 11 what are they going to do with iOS 11 for the iPad there's some little nuggets and we'll talk about those later what's going to happen to Mac OS what's gonna happen at evos what's gonna happen to watch us like we don't really know know and then in addition to that obviously like you said you know we've talked about on the Apple byte ad nauseam about just how they need to say I don't want to see a Siri the way syria's it needs to be a whole new Siri if it new if it wants to compete with what is out there don't give us oh we added more third party partners don't give me oh we added a few more hooks to this information it has to be significantly smarter it has to be a different system so with this this came from the acquisition that Apple had a years ago of the company that uh basically now has viv the smart assistant which is integrated into Samsung's bixby which we haven't seen Apple acquired you know Siri and made it their own but they have like you said they haven't done anything significant to it since its launch in what was that was it around mm and old this is 2011 before s in the forest yeah so 2011 so you know we're waiting to see that I just think though along a long time yeah all more all the time that's like that's she's Millennials in in the tech world so um I'm just want to see to me this WWDC means a lot more than even an iPhone keynote I think this is going to set the stage of where Apple is going to fall in line with artificial intelligence voice assistance and where their platform is going to be able to either compete or kind of feel like a nice try you guys are still behind this is I think the lots of writing on this rap will just the future of it because we felt they've been behind for the past couple years I think this year is where you need to show us that you're either caught up or doing something even better yeah tell me tell all those people waiting for the note this summer that they shouldn't leave their iPhone tell everyone ready to upgrade that they shouldn't get the s8 so I I think that to your point Siri can't just be like Siri 2.0 it needs to be true artificial intelligence right now we have a fixed set of questions and the answers that you can ask Siri it doesn't feel like you're really having a natural conversation it feels very Forrest and calculated so if Apple can actually not just improve Siri in a superficial way but actually make it like oh wow now I really feel like this is the future of artificial intelligence I think they can keep a lot of people around for a bit longer absolutely okay so let's go hit the phone lines we have look the keynote starts at 10:00 a.m. we Pacific time we have 50 minutes to hang out with you all we're gonna be friends we're gonna take your phone calls I'm going to talk more because we want the show to be all about you as well so let's hit up our friend Matthew out in Detroit Matthew can you hear us welcome to Cena alive hello what's up man so this morning I read on nine-to-five Mac wait wait did you read on i-25 Mackey read on CNET comm I'm just kidding I'm messing with you see on CNET via nine-to-five Mac I'm just playing with you go ahead yeah that an app was actually leaked was leaked on to the App Store named file yes sir does this mean that for iOS they might be introducing a file browser yeah Apple's an act like they just invented a file system I'm sure of it yeah there's been a lot of I don't know how much you've been following along right yeah of course not they there were renderings out of from a group named Mac stories showing an actual finder navigation system that could potentially be brought to the iPad that the thing here is that this showed up as an iPad app only so not for iOS 11 as a whole but just for the iPad which would you know be a huge help but the system needs more than that for the iPad but this is one of those things that I'm quite honestly excited to see if they have some level of file navigation that shows us that the iPad is more than just a large screen iPhone something that androids had but I also read oh yes that the the in one of their like support apps a name was leaked that was drag-and-drop for the iPad Oh drag and drop we'll see I think I think that if if this is the case I mean this is going to help the pro feel more pro but again I look I I need Apple to really impress us with the iPad pro I'm the number one like iPad really yeah you know I think it has to go more than that but I think it's you know look Apple needs to show us some more than just steps in the right direction right we we need to be like dang that software is so significantly different that now it feels like this is a machine that could potentially replace my laptop which is what they kind of try and talk like it will but it's not on the level of the surface obviously not even close from a functionality standpoint but we'll see we'll see it but I think it's really interesting and we have a shot up there kind of with that what that leak looks like so Matthew thank you for the information my friend you are a part of CNET live whoo thank 5:00 I had to say all I want to be able to do is download a zip folder and open it on my funds if it yeah right it's not easy to do no it's not oh please just give me hashtag first world tears hashtag first world tears all right should we hit up some more phone I literally did the phone lines are all the way fill through you can see our number it's one eight eight eight nine hundred cien et Oh Brian what where can our viewers get the bingo board oh did we put the okay we'll put the link up again 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what do you want to talk about today Chris poutine man Chris Chris okay here we go yeah eating something wait eating what specifically it's on that it's early in the morning ah can keep that lunch time out here I was gonna say man it's early for pizza out here but I see what you I see where you're at a quick question about pizza have this debate all the time when they make Hawaiian pizza do pineapple should pineapple be put on a pizza or not this is a this is a sure what do you think uh that depends if you want to be fancy or not it's got to be pepperoni to us you want to be basic you want to be mate you want to be a basic yeah I just ask one more thing about pizza do you call it the cheese pizza or a plain pizza uh we call it setting you have pepperoni P Philip to be popular here you might have heard of this pizza called pepperoni all right Chris let's get your quest we're just having fun with your welcome to show what's going on I'm good I was wondering since every WGC is usually software-based we're looking at some possible hardware software or hardware updates what would be your most favorite hardware update product well are you saying in their current existing line or just what would be my favorite product to see I well mine would be the series speaker that I'm quite interested about what would yours be well I think that whenever look Apple hasn't and people like got on me for this Apple hasn't released really a truly new product in about two years like the Apple watch is just outside of tears but literally the hardware that we've seen from Apple at this point is Apple pencil and air pods okay and air pods really really good not great looks kind of funky still not gonna lie but this is Apple's new this could be a new piece of hardware a new platform look I have an echo I have a home I really am curious to see how much better Apple can do than that of course it's going to have their ecosystem hooks I don't subscribe to Apple music so that doesn't that's not compelling enough for me but the Siri speaker is gonna tell us how Apple is just thinking about this space so that's what I'm most excited about I don't know if you ladies have any other chime ins MacBook Air with Retina screen this from like five years ago you said this is you know single Apple live show we do oh my MacBook Air Retina screen it's not gonna happen it's not gonna happen I need to just be a taste with that and make yourself happy that's happening right yeah Chris what were you gonna say buddies it bought all their expensive hardware update yeah I never know yeah it's look this is one of the few WWDC s where I think I want to see a lot more hardware Apple has actually kind of almost banked up to this this whole first half of the year we haven't seen any basically new hardware so we're waiting for Mac pros iPads Apple watch iPhone iMac Mac Pro Series speaker we're going to get loaded in this back end of the year this is just the start and to the MacBook thing we're potentially expecting to see MacBooks and MacBook Pros getting upgraded that MacBook Air though is kind of up in the air I mean I think they'll keep it around it's their most affordable MacBook but we'll see if they do anything to it today I hope they do I hope they do I'm hoping you know that the sales of the MacBook Air are still very strong so for them to just ignore that would be money leaving money on the table uh uh uh hmm I just want to see the series speaker that's all I want I hope that's a rumor that actually comes true and uh you know because it's finally a new product from Apple we haven't seen anything new oh hello hey Chris um we'll have a share and finish up her thoughts and then uh but thank you for calling we really appreciate that okay yeah thank you so much uh so it sounds like we have a Skype call coming in but TLDR we haven't seen anything really new and exciting since the air pods or the watch so give us something to give you our money or give us something that we can make videos for so that we can get more views and we can still keep doing this show thank you all right got stein is calling us on the line OOP we don't have your video Scott Scott right now you look like a white rather icon do not see me at all I have a tie let's see yeah no yeah this is like a bad Verizon commercial guys let's let's be real there he is from inside the San Jose Convention Center Scott Stein editor extraordinaire always loves to give us a live look inside Scott um thank you for joining us you do look beautifuller let Lily go away from all right so Scotty 2 hotty this way yeah this is great this is great video guys I think the stream either went really up or really down I'm not sure but Scott tell us uh kinda hanging in there tell it tell us about you know just with the scene set it for us over there at the San Jose Convention Center so pretty pretty calm and smooth so far a lot of people but we're getting in here it feels it feels pretty spacious so man froze its okay he's gonna come back god fan with their in other years I actually feel like it was like close oh okay well you know it's a lot of flop you know what you do is the cutest video went away to if we can message if we can message him and see if we can just get him on a pure call let's just try that in a bit but if not it's okay landline oh no he's still trying it's okay let's just wrap this up all right Scotty yeah it's just mad but it's gonna be a battle so call us back on the phone line will reach out to you oh yeah okay let's just kill the call for now okay it's like Chinese guys love you but we had to let you go anyway so we'll see we can catch back up with Scott let's go back to the phone lines and hear what y'all want to hear we've got Jordan from San Antonio home of the Spurs who are highly respect for the record Jordan just to let you know what's up welcome to seen alive actually not first fan I just live here oh oh oh third family so yeah just like we just had to support the team me you got right down here you got stun uh my question is is that you know you have we have WWDC it's early this year it wasn't supposed to be like this early we're expecting to be nobody have it like later on which I've noticed I was feeling WD BGC 2016 just happened and you know and we see the integration I was asking you what kind of integration do you hope to see this year for the iPad and what kinda Gration do you hope to see but they're obviously not going to bring or they might bring what should be a surprise to all of us well I think that if they want this look the iPad has an opportunity to when you talk about Oh what are they doing in the creative space that is leaving pros out you know out there to figure out other solutions I mean if there's a way I know there's third-party software that does it but in Apple's own ecosystem to have the iPad truly act like a second screen or some sort of drawing tablet that can complement the Mac OS if they can get some of those hooks with those third-party companies like Adobe to work with it more effectively like that like a true companion I think that's one way to be like look our iPad pro is more than a large screen phone that happens to have split screen I think that's one way that they can work on some of this integration with the iPad tablet or the iPad platform as a tablet to the Mac platform again kind of trading more hooks with the ecosystem if we see that I don't know again what I just described probably appeals to a very small segment of the Apple user base but to me that's okay I think those are the people that they've forgotten that have been the most passionate about their up about their brand because we know that the general consumer in general loves Apple stuff and just buys whatever like they don't even know what a smart speaker is when an Apple comes out with their smart speaker that's what they're going to think is the smart speaker so I just think that if we have more for the diehards the people that are actually using these tools is a day-to-day basis as a pro that's some of the type of stuff that I love to see and that's that's the thing is that people who are really like Apple we and we have we have to use these devices for certain things we have to go out here but I mean for example myself I went out and I had to go by surface because that's it's going to work for me you know and we I'm looking for something that the iPad pro will bring because like you said and I've been hearing you say every single time that I watch all your shows all you say is that the iPad is just the large screen is just a large screen iPhone and you know and we're just looking for something more and I think we haven't got that I think that was okay when it first came out right but I think that the product has to mature over time and it hasn't yeah and investing is that Apple I think is lacking from innovation right now and you know that's something that hopefully they bring with iOS 11 and we hopefully bring some type of hybrid or something close to a hybrid with Mac OS and iOS for the iPad because it's something we're obviously missing in the iPad Jordan you want to be on the show next I mean you could just Jordan if I get sick I know I know I got my Jordan you know on my bench ready to step up six-man of year right there baby I'm gonna make a lower third firm rule Jordan Jordan Jordan Jordan on the phone lower third but Jordan what do you think it since you know we're talking shop with you what about the series speaker does that I mean where are you at with that so I've seen the echo and I've seen the the Google home and you know as an app person you know I tried to not you know look at what Google has because you know you gotta stay true to your guests oil but uh you know I've seen Apple just do these things and they need to do something new they um you know it's a little annoying seeing them just copy off everyone when they need to be starting something they're you know they did really well with the computers back back way back before and they did something revolutionary with the iPhone and which Android caught on to but you know that everything that they've been doing the watches and you know and and the speaker they're just trying to do it better and I just think that some of these other companies are doing a whole lot better so Kisan a new prop oh yeah it's gonna be something new that we're seeing of course hopefully do something great with that but of course Google did that before to you so well you know our Apple Apple likes to wait let everybody else give a new product category a try they did this with tablets and then they like to Pam come in and then own it and really define the category and have a flagship product in that category so I think that in many ways Google felt like they needed to get in early and just assert themselves there even if they weren't ready with Google home and Alexa did a better job but still they came in very early so Apple now they I get the sense that there is enough awareness of smart speakers that Apple feels like this is probably the right time to come in and set the tone so hopefully we'll see some I know so don't forget apple has the Bates integration and so what I do is talk about is talk about how the audio quality is say that with Lexi are you being sarcastic or oh look I'm not I'm not a huge fan of the Beats Audio but I know a lot of people are and that has huge pooling powers now you gotta get that exactly so that's a huge I could draw carving especially because the audio from the echo and the home is not that good I mean there's talk about that Cortana speaker as well that has like the Harman Kardon or like audio but we haven't seen actually hurt we haven't heard that I shouldn't say we've seen it we haven't heard it so there's a lot of potential for Apple to really pull out all the stops you know they have all the content with Apple music they have all that stuff going on with all the musicians around beats so that could be a huge straw card especially with people to like I don't know what a smart speakers but hey it sounds good yeah and dr. Dre is advertising it and you know why not why don't I buy this it's got Series series in my phone I know what Siri does oh why not and great points Lexi I think we we also should just not underestimate a lot of people that just literally don't even understand what the home assistant speaker is right Amazon echo has about seventy percent of that market right now which is huge I don't know how much Apple can take away from it but we'll see you know again this is just kind of showing us the breadcrumbs of how they're thinking towards the future so we'll check that out now it looks like we have Scott Steinbach on our phone line and so we're gonna we're gonna see we're gonna see if Scott is here and clear this is all audio we don't need a play around with that Skype with that bad signal to San Jose Convention Center Apple Apple Scotty what's up pop Brian thank you for joining us a via phone this time yeah we're doing it old school so Scott oh we were asking you earlier if you could kind of I know we can't see it as much just we still have the standard stage at WWDC but maybe set the scene of how it might differ a little bit from San Francisco if not that's okay too yeah so um one sir I mean so many auditoriums look alike you know auditorium differentiation is stuff it is they're all blending together for me but it is um there's plenty of room actually things have been very calm going in there's there's a lot of more importantly a lot of waiting room huge amount of area when we first came in maybe even a little more than Moscone so I thought that actually it seemed very calm coming in and we sat down there even powerstrips so that's a nice thing it's not a few you never know if they're going to be power strips or not when you're working there's the there's the animated screen there's a lot of like that same a stuff that's on that's out on on the front images of people walking around kind of like you know avatar type art in almost I think it's like reminds me of like at Google i/o where they had animated stuff it will animated dancing figures on the screen here yard animated dancing things on screen hey Scott uh your you obviously cover Apple a whole bunch what do you want what do you want to see from them at this WWDC we've been talking about it how because we haven't had too many leaks in general over all that this this is one of the more exciting WWDC s and also just kind of them showing off how they're thinking about the home assistant and ritual you know augmented reality and things that what is your feeling about this keynote overall and what we should expect here what you're excited about yeah so I mean they have so many platforms now when you think about it we used to just talk about iOS and Mac but there's also a OS for the iPad which I think really needs to be addressed a lot more like how does that thing as the iPad become something that we can use more for work and also I'm so curious well what's gonna happen with Apple watch there's Apple TV and then there's series and rumors of the speakers so basically I want like synthesis I want I want to see how they can talk about how all these works together in a in a way that makes sense so it doesn't feel too fragmented and you're just getting into features and each individual platform I think that's going to be the goal of Siri has to be something when you're in your home and you're saying like hey Siri or you're saying ok Google how do you know which thing is listening or how things handoff from one to the other and I think that's like that's the challenge or like where does the watch fit into that so that's what I want to see I'm always curious about AR - and if there's um you know if there is anything related they are like what type is it is a Pokemon go level AR is this like Google tango say they are is this like leading up the song and put on your head no probably not but you know what I think that smart cameras are really becoming a thing this year like Google ends the ability to identify things using a camera lens and computer vision and ái so I feel like Apple will probably have something in that territory too that will assist people with cameras I look forward to hearing news about that yeah I you know we're all here nodding our heads listening you about just how do they tie all this stuff together I mean they have the ecosystem advantage from a standpoint of people that have typically been in Apple's ecosystem stay locked in there and can they elevate that even more you know we this is this is the opportunity to show us finally I'm curious how the Apple watch fits into this because you know they made such a hard push for it and it's good ish I wouldn't even say it's very good I think it's good ish if you're an Apple user yeah but beyond that um how much can it really do more than you know homekit is like one of those things where you can use it to a certain degree on your watch but people have found that just speaking it speak talk in your smart home is a lot more effective than tapping anything yeah and so we'll see how they get all those hooks in it should be a wrist remote that works with other things in your home and that's where Apple watch could fit in so yeah they need to sort of explain that and then you know Siri looks differently on Apple TV versus the phone versus the watch it does some things and that's it doesn't do other so that's the other thing is like cleaning up and connecting and making clear once you have a couple of these things you realize oh it doesn't work quite the same here or this isn't quite the same so that's I hope there's a cleaner connection between how all these products fit together all right Scott sorry we couldn't get you on video my man but we appreciate your call and everything get to it a you'll be on site with a slew of our CNET staffers covering everything inside with our live blog as well and uh we'll look for your coverage buddy yeah thanks well you will hear that air pod that's probably the only thing you won't hear about that is true but you'll be wearing them so we can always count on them wearing them I'm wearing them now we're looking forward to the next scott stein meme picture of you on the air pods oh good the infamous scott stein if you might have even seen it about even huh i'll try to wear them as much as possible an awkward situation yes all right thanks God we appreciate your work man thank all right good I love his point about making a cohesive experience across all of the devices people shouldn't have to memorize what Siri can do on the Apple TV versus their phone versus their watch it should be easy in the sunset you can expect the same experience no matter where you go it should be easy and it should also be a seamless thing so you can as you saying carry across functionality so you can pick up where you left off if you are on your Apple TV and then have that history available on your smart speaker on your watch on your phone I mean it's funny I had this exact problem last night with Spotify it's kind of the convey the experience didn't continue over so I was listening on my mobile and then I went over to my desktop and then I couldn't access my listening history a basic thing good basic human need we need this like food water and oxygen so a spotter and Spotify pick up are you absolutely so if Apple can do something like that and have the continuity going then you know I think there on the echo does that great you know like you hear a good song that comes on a radio station you just go to your app you see it right there you can replay it rewind it it works awesome hey do you work for Amazon a beach oh no but I just yeah I was just listening to Amazon music all day the other thing that I'm and we'll get back to more of the calls that Scott and to your point is that because Siri doesn't work the same on all devices you actually use it less and what you know you actually use it less I don't use Siri on my Apple TV pretty much at all unless I accidentally press the button thinking it was the menu button I literally that's literally when it pops I'm like oh yeah they're Siri on so that is one of those things right consistency across the bar alright let's jump on the calls I just a little reminder 9:36 a.m. Pacific time right now the keynote is expected at 10:00 a.m. we're expecting a lot of great stuff we're gonna get to more your calls and we'll talk more shop about what we expect to see at Apple we have this young gentleman from Berkeley Samuel waiting patiently for a Samuel what's up welcome to seen alive all right so I know you guys think that the arms that you guys are gonna have this mysterious party is gonna come out but you guys know what you guys think of a price oh yeah I had a guest price but I let the ladies jump in here what do you think okay okay that's a tough one I I don't think they're going to announce a price at all others right yeah I think though when it if they're going to have to obviously feel out the market see how the reaction is if they're going to price it if they're going to Dupre they going to tag premium beats technology or something like that I think it's Apple so there will be a premium price tag especially if they're gonna put beats on it I think it's gonna jack up the price a little more I wouldn't know I kind of yeah if I was gonna guess I again don't think they're going to announce a price during the keynote however if I'm gonna guess I'm gonna say $5.99 oh I don't think it'll say what is that was like the big addition over your shoulder is that the series fingers holding ceiling-mounted series speakers there's being home installation I'm gonna walk around my house oh yeah oh you like my series speaker y'all let's turn that dial up all right Sharon Brian oh oh sure speaker oh okay I'm I'm thinking 249 that's that's that's this money price yeah cuz look also right now mark it is yeah goggle uh Amazon echo is 179 yeah Google home is at 149 yeah so funny 920 summary out so apples gonna go to 29 - for AMI - 49ers any price don't forget Amazon echo dot $40 and when it's on sale yeah dirty yo that's like a thousand potential Oh premium audio premium audio I'm so I'm like on this series speaker on my shoulder y'all this is height the Siri boom box I think that's what they should knock it up sorry boombox boombox I'm gonna stop that there's children walking really yeah I mean they have to really overhaul theory though to even make it water so that's the swing Samuel are you are you like fed up with this you want a real Syria want a real Syria now where you at man yes yeah what what about what about if the series speaker was an added feature that came with an over-the-air update well actually it's not over there but an update to your Apple TV I was go I get it it's for me well I have an Apple TV there you go so I think we need to dancing like that all right Samuel dot is the TV thanks for calling man he's like yo I have that I'm 12 years old dad what do you boy you done with your life share is the sky black on Apple TV dad I got apple TV son all right let's do let's go to our buddy Calvin in Los Angeles or Louisiana it says LA so I guess you're SoCal what's up Calvin hey what's going on what's going on hey you know what I was calling uh to talk to you guys about that room let's do it my brother Anthony and I we're talking about how it'd be great if they actually put pro applications on it something like Final Cut Pro and we're not stuff like that because it seems like they're just putting Crowe on these products just so you know I cry suck okay hold on hold on is this Calvin and Anthony the brothers the brothers oh come on Bryan what's the background here these are loyal listeners they like to debate each other they're brothers that like to fight about tech cullinan right Dave a message in the middle of an argument well yeah they need a show man these bros need a show that's what I'm saying you know Calvin Oh with the iPad pro you're you're preachin man this is exactly what we're talking about I don't the thing about it is I don't know if they're gonna put final chapter on I mean they could because it's basically like iMovie deluxe uh-oh I said that I sorry I said that out loud but they do look they need more Pro apps from the start even when they dropped the iPad pro the whole thing was like this to be compelling if they release logic like a foreign an iPad pro that's a pro if they release Final Cut Pro they still haven't done that so maybe they'll make us happy but we'll see about that I love what you're thinking though that's what they need to do it seems like a purpose Pro you know really doing well like Microsoft doing well with you know that whole things but I don't know man we'll see what I think the only reason that people aren't completely flocking to the surface pro yes some people have their hang-ups with Windows being quote-unquote less secure but look the surface pro is a superior product right now if you ignore ecosystem it just is and so people have to admit that I mean it's beast and it can run those apps so look we'll see what Apple does I hope I'm hoping as an iPad pro fan that they do the same thing so thanks for calling Calvin tell your brother we said what's up all right cool take care ABT real quick can you set up the live block as it is happening now the live vlog m so right now we have our editors inside our live blog will complement this live stream we do need a so if you go out to cnet.com basically on our front page there's a direct link to the live blog there you see us there posting some of the pictures from outside of the event at the San Jose Convention Center some nice oh look at that look at that venue who put the vignette on that that's not is that real is that natural or James is that is that a real vignette or is it phony is that an Instagram filter is that a real thing that is a real pic he doesn't play way back this is that's beautiful that's why they sent him there not me oh right that's why but that's exactly what so you guys can follow along in our live blog just to also be clear we have our pre-show like normal many of you know this we have our post show during the actual keynote apple streams it on their own they will not let us rebroadcast it so we will kind of do our talk shop that complements it you can hang with us in if you want to sometimes we take calls during the actual show when they get to some of the boring stuff that moves so so we'll see well then we then we don't know Jase you're saying we don't have a phone person so chat us tweet us you know live us send us your videos on Twitter and we'll play them back um yeah just make sure you know send them sent us okay video I mean yeah I'll let I'll let Sharon filter through those no no Sharon Sharon can filter through the videos I'm not gonna filter through those videos all right let's go to Memphis and talk to Louise Louise what's up welcome to see that live how you doing doing good doing good welcome to the show what's up what's on your mind I want an axe about the Apple TV I know early reports were stating that they were talking about a 4k model or going to another edition how you got three anything else about that thing I don't think we're gonna see an Apple TV here today I think we will see TV os I think we might see the actual Amazon TV app on the Apple TV a lot of people been waiting for that I don't expect us to see actual new hardware for the Apple TV yet I could be wrong again you know we don't always know everything although we know everything out of a new Apple TV like you said the 4k capability that would be that would be the hook um so we'll see but I don't I don't think we'll see anything hardware wise today Amazon Prime supports 4k video Netflix certain shows support 4k but if it's not there it'll be sometime during their September event typically when we actually see an Apple TV Hardware Apple goes for the mass-market though most people don't have 4k TVs and I would argue that a lot of people don't really even know what it is or what the benefits are that's true and all three people that do have 4k TVs they're thinking about bandwidth right right and then not necessarily going to be choosing a 4k stream over a regular 1080p if they don't have the internet burn I mean I I do agree with you ladies to a certain extent I do also feel though like out of any you know obviously it's what for Kay's arguably been out to consumer at least two or three years now I think a lot more people now 4k is just a feature on the TV that they're buying now also gamers gamers are really where everyone is getting 4k TVs because these consoles are supporting them so I think that was the right time to at least throw out a 4k product from Apple but we'll see we'll see you know why you don't you wanna for keeps I want a 4k TV I want a 4k TV however TV's got so good like five or six years ago that anyone who bought their a TV between 2000 and 2010 I don't think they're necessarily rushing to replace it even if it's 4k even if there's three day on it only becomes you all set terms one you okay into the kirby jump 3d you want the D right Steve the day Steve Steven doesn't want the D alright 3d that is uh Lois sorry about that that completely went in a different direction you still there with us my man yeah throwing up in his mouth like even a space dr have a said you think this something that they go with cuz you see more these different companies trying to low these devices up for future proofing and you know apple still at 1080p yeah you know what i think you're you're on the money if we do see something i expected to be sometime in September when they do the Apple TV the thing about it also is with HDR okay well is that the thing about it is with Apple TV 4k HDR these are basically companion you know features that are on TVs these days so it's it's going to happen I just don't think it's going to happen today but you're right on the money an HDR there's not a lot of content to be honest right now your game is the big one but in terms of other content you're going to be watching HDR is everything on the ground and there's also different implementations of it and it's hard for people to kind of understand what it is without seeing it it's really hard to explain HDR when you see it you go side by side with a non HDR and an HDR image you go oh wow that makes such a huge difference but trying to explain it it's like well it's a higher dynamic range which means you're gonna see basically more color bandwidth than you get more detail and you know highlights and shadow detail people like I don't understand what that means and it's ironic because there's more awareness around 4k but it's HDR like you say that actually has a visible effect for most people yeah you're you're really only gonna see the benefits in in 4k if you have a TV that's bigger than 65 inches quite honestly right so at least yeah uh yeah so anyways thanks so much for calling Louise we appreciate it thanks for hanging out the Cecina live i the thing is that I've been dying I have a a Panasonic Plasma from like five six years ago I've been dying to get a HDR 4k TV but I'm not going to pull the trigger they're way more affordable this year I mean that's your specifically Vizio TCL they're putting out 4k HDR tvs that are around basically thousand fourteen hundred bucks and they're greatly that's you kind of got a jump on that well I'm gonna fuke I lost you forever Oh Aleksey yeah miss Lexie I didn't know that's about that's a decent-sized yell bro from 4k benefits of 42 inches she knows HDR but it's HD it's not H oh I wish no no I'm just saying I wish I waited I wish I waited because H I could have I could have out yeah but then I decided no it's way too much so I thought well I'll get at least one of the features that I was interests and it was look it was a TV wanted anyways and it happened at how 4k that's the point is a thing yet I love how Shan was like oh and it had HDR and I did it did it not for 350 now is it didn't did it my bad alright Beach can we throw the phone line up on the on the bottom again if you guys and gals want to call phone lines are still completely locked and loaded every time someone hangs up someone calls in one eight eight eight nine hundred cien et you guys and gals are awesome I do want to talk about a few things just maybe some of the other rumblings or rumors we haven't even talked about it directly at this keynote we are expecting and most likely based on the rumors seen the first launch of the ten point five inch iPad pro right this has been a product that we at least in the rumor mills thinner bezels just slightly larger than the nine point seven inch iPad we swear hoping and possibly going to see that here at the keynote also rumblings even as far back as a year ago talked about the Apple pencil will we see a new Apple pencil to complement the new Apple iPad pro I mean we've done a music video about that that we might show later in the show really it's very have you seen this you know about this at all um I heard about it shared is not famous well um while we talk about and take other phone calls I'll kindly asked even beat him to find locate that video and in order to educate her about the finer things in I really need a music video you really need one all right let's get let's go to the phone line to see who's been waiting the longest right now oh my goodness Brayden from the NYC here at 40 minutes good Brayden what's up man welcome to seen alive well yeah I was wondering if you guys have a idea is if I know that like the echo they have the skills where you can play the games and you can enable all this other stuff do you think that this Apple speaker will do it I think that the thing about we have to remember on Apple is Apple is very controlling and who they allow to be their partners Siri came out six years ago they started just recently like this year adding third party partners with Siri integration okay and what did the Amazon echo do they made their API open instantly available people started building stuff like I found stuff like calm ocean sounds to go to sleep from a dude that just put it out there like the amazing ability to just open up the platform can lead to great things and sometimes not so great things but also that accessibility helped the echo to explode and just be more useful beyond the direct partnerships they had I think Apple is gonna be just as controlling on this I don't expect them I'm maybe they'll surprise us again I always like to say that to be an optimist about like a MacBook Air with a Retina Display yeah maybe they'll surprise us heart please right well I mean it's WWDC the whole point I mean traditionally is to introduce something new a platform or hardware or both and allow the worldwide developers to prepare to develop for it so I mean I agree I think it's going to be much more restrictive than Amazon and you won't get random ocean sounds from I've got off the shore of Antarctica it helps me sleep it helps me shoot for sure but it's going to be 399 from the Apple Store wait wait the series what's gonna be doing oh yeah those ocean sounds what comes it will cost me I'm gonna stay on my act what is it a hundred billion dollars husband spent or they paid out seventy billion to developers which means Apple themselves based on their 70/30 yeah revenue split made thirty billion dollars off of apps up to this point since they launched the App Store seventy billion so that's they created and they created it's a platform for people to make me yeah I mean then Apple has said time and time again that their services business I'm not sure if that includes the App Store and associated and it's definitely Apple music iCloud things like that if they spun that off and it's on to its own company it would be a fortune 500 Oh which is huge its massive so they've got a lot of revenue in these businesses these other side businesses of course they want developers to be making sure that there are going to be applications and to your point Brian let's be an optimist about it maybe maybe that's well that's why I was very happy so yeah Rayden that's that's where I'd it sounds like you're actually pretty curious about the series speaker though right yeah I am I actually haven't had a mazanik oh now and I have no excuse Mart light you know a lot of smaller smart-home stuff and I was just interested in seeing their integrate all this we will we will see it was smart speaker comes out like I would put money on Phillips you being supported because Apple has sold those light bulbs stores for years yeah yeah so you're all set and yeah all right thanks so much for calling Braden appreciate it man thank you I think the other thing is that when we talk about developers developers conference homekit was announced in 2014 is what I had last read and they didn't really do too much with it like quite honestly it was like it was just there they're like we're gonna create a he new thing to make using your devices easy this is when smart home appliances or you know light bulbs sly switches we're just starting to come together and everyone thought I remember the headlines Apple is going to make your home easier to use when it's if they've never they've never made it truly truly easy it's better but come on again they need that if they want it to make it better they need this every speaker that's a start yeah but other come kind of ahead of ahead of them on that I just that whole dream of an easily automated Apple home never came to be and it still hasn't and it may not right away but we'll see what happens today it's it's just one of those things where you look back now and like oh they they had Siri in 2011 they had a home kit in 2014 those are the two leading platforms right now that are the hottest spaces and they didn't work on it and part of it is that they are spread so thin they have so many things going on and let's be real they put all their passion to the Apple watch that was a directive from Tim Cook and it's a goodish product but they ignored that other stuff and now they're trying to play catch-up a little bit so we'll see if they can make another jump i it's a different company than it was before so you have to also acknowledge that and not pretend like it's something that you know it's not but we're always hopeful optimistic optimistic cautiously cautiously optimistic a Beecham do we were able to locate that iPad pro video at all oh yes I do have we were able to locate okay so what is this your iPad pro song right yes so so this is our gem sources don't oh I just want to preface this Apple has been lacking on the second lap all has been lacking on their commercials um you know just not as inventive as I like on the iPad Pro and so yes people like this is so old but we've been sitting on this for a long time because I was hoping they'd announce an iPad pro and like March but they did but let's just let's just let it speak for itself just for a few seconds right one herself it's a standalone one yes oh maybe IP oh it's only 30 seconds I have an iPad oh I pair crawl I have a pistol I have an Apple epistle i pair bro Oh Apple pencil iPad pro oh the cringe is on 100 that's gonna be in my head throughout the entire Kean right now well I'm gonna have Stephen keep that handy because when they announced the iPad pro they'll have will have a promotional video for it I'm speechless I'm sorry I know the cringe was that pretty high pretty high pretty high that's that's that's what we got paid for that I just want to let y'all know probably all haters we got paid for that snot my I'm a sad soul okay let's go over to the phone lines gaben Orlando welcome to see that lipo he's he probably list in the video still probably enjoying it if you are everyone's been actually really good by turning on the volume and just waiting for the call Gabe what's up welcome to seen alive hi um so my question for you is so I remember when the iPad pro was first released and I remember the surface pro was out and they had Windows on it so I was like I wanted to know why would I want to know if ever this is just your opinion with Apple ever put I don't know even a different version like of Mac OS X on an iPad pro you're talking about the dream yeah the big elusive dream that I believe Apple has hinted that it's not going to happen I think that everyone kind of wants to know is i OS and Mac OS going to come closer and closer together to be this one Universal platform allow Windows 10 and you know how you can basically transfer from one device to another docking for example like a surface book where it suddenly becomes a tablet and you have the full functionality Windows 10 just slightly different interface tweaks I don't think exactly I really don't think it's it's going to happen I'm pretty pretty sure that Apple has time and time again kind of given enough hint saying that they are two separate entities and even though they might visually come together a little more that I don't think they're going to merge into that Universal OS it may be where we're looking for I think the other thing that really tells you all you need to know is that at the latest earnings report Tim Cook outright said the iPad pro is not a replacement for a laptop and so by just throwing that quote out there he clearly sees them as separate products he clearly doesn't feel like that the iPad pro deserves or should get some of the functionality that a laptop has which is kind of blows your mind like it do give us something we saw earlier for those you who may be tuned in later that Apple leaked out a files app specifically for the iPad pro that which looks like some sort of file navigation system that we might see here now today but that's still not good enough and like to Lexi's Point and really to Tim Cook's point I don't think they're ever going to do it at least in the next two years I mean this is the chance to do with the surface Pro's banal for so long I've been looking at thing I'm like dude giving some of that on the iPad pro just something right and we got asked we got split screen drag so they can either choose to surprise us and delight us or they can choose to kind of have us go really you guys still haven't done much we'll see maybe they they'll find some middles middle ground but cautiously optomistic is the key word first day um I also wanted it like cuz yeah I don't know I thought maybe they would do probably not likely but do you think they would ever come out with like a touch screen MacBook Pro did you hear did you hear Steven Beecham laughing about Stevens ha ha ha ha Steven talk to me about that no they're they're totally against it they see that the you know the trackpad on the on their laptops they see that as the touch screen and they've come out against it like they don't see a future for that so you mean even though I constantly try to tap my screen my kids do too they always try to scroll my screen my yeah you know and that's the future of an Apple user you know like children who are who are all using touchscreens on a regular basis now guys that's what the touch bar is for don't get me started on so realistic and logical wait hold on hold on let me do you have your thermos is the Apple kool-aid in your thermos oh yeah I just wanted to check I think there's actual Apple kool-aid in her drink there's more juice guys but yeah the touch bar I'm not gonna poop on it more than I have because everyone like gets mad when I get a little overly critical but come on it that I have not heard okay for example you just got this new MacBook Pro recently you've had it for a few weeks how much better or more frustrating or where do you stand with this touch bar the touch bar is not as frustrating as I thought it would be however I do miss the function buttons and I do miss the ability to easily tap through and change my volume or mute or whatever I want to do however which is a very basic function very basic functionality that I would hope that there would be an easy way to access however I've kind of been a surprised in my day to day application application usage there hasn't really been a situation where the touch bar has kind of got it wrong I have to say like I'm in a music app and my volume and controls are everything are up there I'm doing some other kind of editing and then the right controls where I need them to be I I think it's not as it's honestly not as disjointed as I thought it was just say you like it Lexi because it's not necessary because it's not good right it doesn't it but because it's there and now this is the only way yeah that's all you have to use it you're happy and touch bar now so I have to live with this and there's not going to be any going back I don't think they're gonna suddenly reverse and go oh you know what we're gonna put function buttons back Inuk my favorite part is the emoji no yeah here's hater I just think that look and also this comes from a different perspective we have some of us have these MacBook Pros for work but I'm just telling you if I had to put my own money down on it I want a 15-inch new MacBook Pro with a physical bar on the top I think the fact that it doesn't have haptic feedback on it is weird it just feel it feels it feels weird without any type of haptic feedback when it's on a keyboard which are used to some sort of tactile response I think that's one way they can improve it but again it's disconcerting to know that sure I get why they put the touch bar only in the 15 and they let the 13 have one that doesn't have one and I think it's like a 200 or $300 price difference give me one that's $300 that doesn't have a touch bar but that would be an admission by Apple that it's not as necessary or what what desired by their consumer base you know that I think there's a lot of times where they aren't hearing there they're different like before these that tell us what we wanted before we knew we wanted it I know it sounds very corny but it is true now they're not even listening to what we want use it directed the touchscreens a different Apple yeah totally like what how can you do this to us that is a different that is a different type of company that isn't even listening to what their consumers want and still believing that we can show you what you want when everyone is saying not really it's a different thinking but how much of this is concerned that they don't want to cannibalize existing markets like bringing together the Mac and the iPad would essentially kill the iPad so they it's time to admit that Apple has a redundancy problem yes we don't need all three or four or five product types we need I mean what we really need is basically like a surface laptop yeah exactly it has the best of all worlds and then you can get rid of the iPad that's yeah that that started how many three four four five years ago yeah okay just want to put that okay um Beechum houses a keynote started yet has started I mean they're just doing like flyover shots of the crown stone okay okay one hasn't really begun yet so what we'll wait and do guys and gals is that once the keynote starts we're gonna switch over again we cannot stream that if you guys want to go watch it somewhere else we totally understand we have our post show which we will be taking calls on let me just bang through some of these calls now once the keynote starts and our team is live blogging inside we're gonna transition with a little play-by-play and talk about it as the show is happening but we won't be able to watch it directly so let's just get into here thanks Gabe for calling I did hang up on you because we were talking let's go to Chuck in Philly what up Chuck welcome to show package chat but thanks a lot oh I'm sorry I didn't write that that's okay going to college in August he wants a MacBook Pro and I hear the new ones are going to have the KB Lake chips yes they probably won't be they will be announced maybe today but won't be out until who knows when October November December so do you wait for one you just buy what's currently available here's here's what my take on it I think you actually not only do you wait for it it's going to come sooner than you think and the reason why is that um Apple people that were ordering recent new MacBook Pros for some reason their shipping dates got pushed out to weeks and which is actually not normal it's not like they're running out of it and my hunch is that these new new new MacBook Pros with the kb lake processors will most likely be available within the next month so I think I would just sit tight and no matter what don't get the earlier gen even if it you know that you said it's for someone who's going back to school yeah starting in late August early can I make a suggestion I would we suggest that you wait until you see benchmarks because early benchmarks on PCs have shown that there isn't a significant improvement in battery life nor does it significantly improve speed so if that's the case on the MacBook then what you might find yourself doing is waiting for that new laptop to come out and then getting the last version at a nice discount whether it's refurbished or otherwise um you again like I think that if the benchmarks are what they've shown for the PCs you won't be that impressed by the cable ache processor KB Lake will give you a little boost but it's more about battery life right you're probably getting about an hour a little more than that more battery life out of it but you know for me I'm just at the school about if they're just announce it I'm gonna get them in general I'm going to get the new one unless it's a touch bar MacBook Pro I'd be like give me one that doesn't have a touch bar on it Oh interesting idea to save a few dollars since my last year of college was four thousand dollars at my son's this year will be seventy two thousand dollars so I congratulate congratulations you've won thank you very much thank you so much for calling appreciate it yeah times have change y'all dang 72 whoa all right let's go - if I have this correct eaten in Alabama what's up Eton oh my god it just has to be the best that we've ever DC ever academi I've actually talking to you Oh what am i man we're talking to you we're talking to you oh you're not talking about the baby I am currently watching the live stream on my iPhone yes you know it's real Dave Dave DC 2017 has officially kicked off but my question to you guys was um my friend Darrell Chandra is texting me as we speak and we're having it I guess a disagreement about a refresh of the iPod product line oh wait wait did you just are we going prehistoric age right now are we going back we really are they could give up on on hesitation to give up on the product - let it die yeah I'm always fanatical all Apple products though I think there's still a market present well you didn't how about this I will tell you there's always a market for any Apple product but if you want to go Apple's not gonna put any more money into the iPod there's gonna keep the ones that they have really eBay is going to be the next market for the iPods and everything that we have plays music shout-out to Darrell also you know cuz he's your boy but um I think that if you're a fan of Apple products sometimes you gotta let things go - like if you love something let it go you know and maybe maybe it comes back to you on eBay you don't I mean it's like like so you know what I'm stoked I you know you're here talking to us and we're excited for WWDC but iPods Apple hasn't even included it in their earnings for at least the past two years now I believe so we probably won't see it but um thank you so much for kama man we appreciate thanks for me bars you know everyone that argument all right all right shoutout to Darrell okay so we're we're gonna jump over to the live blog right now there are people that are on the phone lines if you want to wait and there's opportunities for us to get you within the keynote we will but right now we're gonna jump over our live blog and see photos if you want to jump over to Apple stream it's all good yeah you got it timed out it's all good we're hanging out with you so right now they're just showing a general video it looks like some sort of a sketch of Scott signs describing it as bordering on a Silicon Valley feel but it's showing up an Apple data center looks like there's Russian words in the background some sort of like they're in a different country somewhere in this video how to ask you I'm gonna stay away from any Russia comments a period for fear of any kind of backlash for fear of Stephen Beecham talking about specific type of news thang news bad news this is all real news this is all real alright so I think they're playing up on a fun thing with a world with no apps and why apps are important the apps is shutting down why WWDC is here for there for you and for the apps that's what we do without apps that's true though I would be okay without me enjoying my life well how would you even get from point A to point B bruh I don't know I mean how do we be printing up pieces of paper you mean you mean like this like this oh yeah quest while they're playing this while they're playing this promo video real quick before they start the keynote our keynote bingo starts now so if you see or hear them say any of these terms or talk about them we have great ones like it's always a classic Craig federighi hair Force One Phil Schiller's voice cracking the word tremendous someone taking a picture with their iPad just things like that dark mode a rumor thing in Iowa's 11 so if you want to participate once you get five in a row any direction screen cap it and send it to us hashtag seen it live and we've got gifts for you spec cases and Belkin lightning cables we got 14 prizes so you all could be winners and I better not see this stuff on eBay I'm gonna track you down oh my god I will track I will hunt you down alright um it looks like Tim is on stage and says welcome to WWDC it's great to be back in San Jose the heart of Silicon Valley and right down the street from Apple and our new campus shard Timken our reporter on site one of our many reporters that says it's been 15 years since WWDC has been in San Jose this is going to be according to cook the best and biggest WWDC ever are we going to get a one more thing that would be fun they they've killed that but sometimes I think bringing it back they didn't do with this right they did it one time yeah they didn't the watch alright they did with the watch it was like I didn't see that one coming remember this is the optimist WWD alright so i got a heart we got hurt for something cops cautiously optimistic right that's right cautiously cautiously so uh yeah they're setting up the stage here I'm still like I said before earlier ladies I'm super excited about this WWDC I think we could see week this is Apple's chance to actually wow us one of the few times it's a huge potential here and I hope that they really step up to the mark and something exciting happens yeah that is out of the ordinary it is something that the rumors weren't pointing to that it's a product that truly makes us go yeah okay Apple is actually I'm going to be innovating rather than just following and making like a very good product but something that is you know two three years behind the competition so crossing my fingers there's gonna be something good and something exciting here well they did say biggest and best so it's it's always it's always this is one of the bingo spots actually it does not occupied Tim Cook yeah but mark off Tim Cook on your bingo card do you do X oh yeah you can do whatever you want could you swirly sign didn't say good morning he didn't I know that screwed me I expected one maybe someone else might say good morning but every key note he has he has said good morning they're talking about just how many developers are registered for WWDC 16 million registered developers of those 16 million 5300 attendees there's a there's a lottery system to actually even get into WWDC so it's there's never a guarantee um I do also want to remind you that the center spot here which is a free spot on our bingo card is Warriors up to Oh make sure you mark that Warriors up to oh just in case you hear that Warriors up to 0-2 so they always start with I always find that Apple starts with the heartwarming story when they open the keynote or anything and this time it turns out that they is a ten-year-old coda in the audience we started coding when he was six and he already has five apps in the absolute what are we doing with wasted guys oh my god but a skunk shriek in my hair and some kids developing five apps my kids are collecting snails outside dude honestly your kids are badass cuz they're interacting with nature yeah I'm trying to give them stop killing animals Wow I'm just kidding I'm kidding yo y'all kidding joke joke not not totally not true they totally not killing snails totally not true there's a smush to collect them now alright Tim Cook is a transitioning over and saying let's turn our attention to four incredible platforms which is uniquely expressed and designed for the best experiences for where they were uh flash up on the screen TV OS watch OS Mac OS or luckless watch chuckles watch shows TiVo's iOS is Mickey we've seen the platform's forward that's why the developer conference is so important we have a lot to talk today about today and I do mean a lot six important announcements to share with you this morning dang that way we can already cross off TV OS watch OS oh my finger caught god you're right yeah we can we can't bingo bingo baby I'm a kind of Mac OS 10.13 though which one you said watch OS watch OS TV OS we got that marked off oh ooh I'm close I don't even tell me come on Amazon video Apple TV hey you know what the TV OS is our first thing they're doing right now they might see it we just launched the support from a handful of video channels there's now 50 partners integrated into the TV app these are Tim Cook's words on stage man Beach if you win this right out the gate again hashtag see not live with a winning card yeah I mean I might kiss you but don't donate my parmesan is coming to the TV app and all Apple TVs did you literally get 500 Brian I'll see your friends 10.5 inch iPad pro is what I need ooh well that's a that's an iOS that's at the very end of the keynote man good luck with that that's not gonna happen so prime video provides a wealth of great content some great original content like transparent Mozart in the jungle and so much more we're pleased to welcome Amazon to Apple TV this has been one of the big holes and the story was that basically Jeff Bezos and Tim Cook sat down in a room and just like let's just do this damn thing grinded it out from the top and now we have Amazon on the Apple TV that was reported by recode maybe about a few weeks ago he's already jumping over he's all you'll hear a lot more about TV OS later this year sorry I'll have happy it what let's talk about hey I'm keeping let's talk about the Apple watch all right like yeah that was it TV OS so number one selling Smart Watch by far evil Hey Ya Ya Ya button I never really sales Figgis or we just have to take their word for it I think that we can I see way I see way more Apple watches what I did before I I would I think once they've got to the second gen in the first gen was so much cheaper a lot more people bottom like for like Black Friday and stuff like that um Tim Cook is saying Apple watch is designed to help you live a healthier life we know there's a lot of stories of Apple really beefing up their team potentially having a way for the sensors in the future Apple watch designs to incorporate being able to measure blood sugar levels and more I don't think we'll see that today because that could be its own event I could be wrong but they are going to tout about watch OS and last year's WWDC watch who has significantly changed to a version of the OS that I felt was appropriate to it it was kind of an admission that their first run was a little misguided and just not up to snuff I do like watch O's are we add Watchers what is stress yeah well just race C's Quatro mijo let's start with Apple watch faces they're going in two quick ways to glance and information so new watch faces coming here we go the new watch there will be a new watch face powered by Siri intelligence ok this is this is what we're hoping for and talking about is that predictive artificial intelligence that hopefully they take beyond the watch I know they've tried to introduce it to the iPhone but I don't have you guys noticed the proactive Siri feature I mean I don't notice a me in your notifications yeah with directions right like you should leave now for your next meeting yeah thanks I have because there's heavy traffic right but it's now just a notification rather than necessarily something that I actively have to search for and that's that's in I mean it's it's useful however when I'm clearly not in the vicinity of what it's not intelligent about it I'm not in the vicinity of where my meeting is I'm not in my usual space for example I'm at the airport and it's like you should get to the office now you have a meeting I'm like I'm knowing near the office I'm not where I normally am this day every day maybe don't give me that notification cuz I'm not gonna head to the office for that meeting right I'm missing that one right glanceable information has been a big kind of hole in Apple's operating system we know that Google has they know a lot about us and they've kind of mastered that but they're showing off screenshots of how as your schedule goes along this glanceable information will show up of course they're throwing in their little breather like hey take a minute to breathe like you know show me where I need to go Thanks my brain does that formula sunset yeah hey what time on meditation be tuned with more meditation and attitude like that would exist you like the sunset though notification tells you when the sun's going down yeah off you know oh yeah it only matters when it matters to you right it only met I know when the sun's gonna go down and my golf round that's good this is throughout the day whenever you raise your wrist the face will dynamically update with information for you there's a kaleidoscope watch face with a trippy psychedelic animation that might be even more psychedelic depending on what you're doing that night my task really and of it I mean I'm wondering how this is going to affect battery life all this all these proactive notification well to me it's like when you lift it up your Apple watching how the cool jellyfish like I was totally okay with that I was like I'm okay with the jellyfish because it looks dope right so and it affected too much joy story characters yes more animated watch faces right yep this is why don't like so 15 years ago yeah yeah when was the last every story quite honestly oh this is a missed opportunity should have been putting out chars faces cars the movie is coming yeah missed opportunity come on you guys you want to I need a new marketing director are you tired of Phil Schiller's voice cracking all the time are you tired come on roll out with seen that live alright let's just do this already they want to talk about Activity one of the most frequently used apps on the watch you might start off each day with some inspiration they're going to introduce monthly challenges in the activity watch to motivate you they're all achievable because they're based on your real history so this is again kind of proactive intelligence and kind of showing this in two ways glanceable information as well as within the activity app so step in the right direction I think this is subtle stuff that you'll actually end up in joined but not be like I can't I got this Apple watch for its predictive intelligence you know it's one things that needs that should just be there yeah here's a question that are so are you guys using Apple devices in any way for to motivate you to be more fit or they just is it just more of a companion to how you live your life well I I don't own an Apple watch I think if I did have an Apple watch I might be more motivated to use it as a tool to help workouts to help actually motivate me in that respect at the moment I don't do I don't use my iPhone for that either I mean only because it's it's bulky I don't know when I'm trying to run or something with it it's it's not really something that I want to be carrying and constantly looking at and to track my workout goals if I had to watch perhaps maybe I would do that and I wouldn't have the need to carry the phone at all yeah but you know I I still just I just don't want exercise with a tool I just wanted as my music machine but just to something to listen to music through and that's all I want to use it for and maybe a timer and that's it I don't really want it to motivate me for my workout goals and just for like get off your lazy like I don't need the phone or the watch to tell me that I can decide myself away like right exactly sure has it helped you or motivated you to be like in the long run not even just like oh no I tried taking it to the gym a few times and it was just so much work and I was that person like yeah for instance I took it once into a class and I was that person who was like haha you know and it's embarrassing be it just doesn't really add I'm like I'm doing all this work distracting myself getting out of my headspace not burning as much just so that I can track it to what end I'm already doing the work so what's what's the real benefit I'm not sure it sounds like Apple right now is trying to address some of that I also felt like it just wasn't matching the results weren't matching with what I did not not necessarily calories because that's so honestly hard to measure it's going to take a long time before we can actually accurately measure calorie burn but even the time the you know the heart rate I just it felt truly inaccurate which is ridiculous no I I agree you know even though they did a test out in like UCSF about how the Apple watch has some of the most accurate heart beat you know heart rate sensing from a step standpoint from a movement standpoint it's highly inaccurate I've taken it on hikes I wore a Fitbit uh on the same wrist I look at the distance that this hike is supposed to be yeah the Fitbit will be like within 1.1 of a mile the Apple watch will be like a mile off you know yeah and for so I don't trust it as much right and I know that there's supposed to be a way not as opposed to there's a way to condition it to learn yourselves like it shouldn't even need that yeah like it's it's supposed to be smart enough to be able to do that so look the whole Apple watch platform that their time out here with health and motivation they're talking about how not only can it incorporate workouts it'll be able to talk to some of the fitness equipment at your gym back and forth like data exchange between the two to show your readout on the screens of the workout fitness equipment as well as the phone I'm sorry as well as the watch I know people do desire that but I've never felt personally that this is me personally that the Apple watch is actually made me work out more I think its biggest effect is people that are unaware of how inactive they are it might motivate them to walk a little more but not come it's a companion for people that already workout people say oh yeah I like that if you're already there but it hasn't been like I've never seen my Apple watch said oh I should go workout today right it's never been it's never happened it's not inspired it's never happened I mean you know any what Sharon said like I see people like that at the gym and they're busy you know they're busy with their phone like aunt like graphs and like paperwork and stuff I'm like I'm sitting there lifting and I'm like I like they're they're too busy over there so that's kind of funny they're also showing off a new a new dock for the Apple watch that can basically sit vertically as well from what I believe what we're what we're what we're looking at here they're showing a demo obviously of some of the functionality that they're talking about they're showing a real live demo so the activity coaching but from what I read here um it looks like there's a new dock another new dog oh sorry a new dock meaning there's the dock that was was landscape when you swipe through apps right a new dock functionality on the phone right now that's right not not a physical doc I'm sorry about that that's what happens when we don't actually watch the a keynote we have a bingo someone got a bingo so we got him somebody's gonna be going out live okay hold on let me let me get let me get this pulled up for you guys just so we can uh shout out to Li what about texting I live is this our first one winner chicken dinner yeah looks like it hold on let me scroll down here to most uh where's sorry I'm getting there we got we got a we got a diagonal one from top right to shirts filled worse the before used to be like most recent oh this was Twitter's changed it to the ones that they want you to see bad seriously i sweet I'm gonna get onto TweetDeck that's sequential okay well but it looks like we have a winner I put in hashtag Cena alive and I used to be able to just be like most recent yeah well laser I feel like you anyway look what okay oh so it's Diddy tag Bryant on it okay let's go here all right if you guys really care about this and you want to see your your board on the big screen just do at Bryant ah yeah Lee Waterman congratulations you are first winner I'm gonna pick out this really cool pink case for you with flowers I'm just kidding we'll figure it out okay I'll mark all that but the bingo card is real bingo card is real here it's seen that live yeah music I'm gonna start just people might be hurting themselves that they watch that all right all right so someone say good morning I don't I never heard it did someone say good morning someone say they say good morning I never heard that did he say the trusses oh we have to trust hmm there there was the best we've ever been there's been like four people it's kind of see the thing is that there's kind of sometimes loose interpretations forever right yeah but good morning we didn't hear it well we did we would yeah that's fine yeah I'm gonna believe them trust we trust mine so their time out watch oh s four is a great update it'll be available in fall Tim Cook is coming up on stage the Developer Preview is available today it'll be a free upgrade for everyone across all watches this fall bottom line watch os4 gets a little smarter more predictive and helps you with activity stuff but that's it nothing that would compel you to be like what about the Toy Story watch face alright Linda's not doing as well let's not forget the bear the headline was buried in there I'm sorry I'm sorry really apologize guys and gals all right the Mac it looks like the Mac is next up finally they're jamming through this stuff which means you know why it's cuz a lot of hardware stuff coming yeah so yeah it kind of in a weird way it probably might be a little disappointing if they don't focus enough font or if there's not enough software stuff I think they might be saving a good chunk of time for something new yeah you went ten save the best for last oh that's a great song by the way Vanessa Williams oh yeah yeah totally oh so Kay oh no keep jamming out it's okay Craig federighi is on stage Craig Harris Air Force one market on your bingo card hair Force One let's talk about okay not yet they didn't say um uh yeah Mac Craig federighi yeah he's like he said let's talk about our current release of Mac OS Sierra or what we like to call my close Sierra I need like a classical guitar go but I mean that's really nothing yeah you mean a classical or stereotypical I mean depends on classic it's a classical guitar type of guitar true I just don't want all my peeps watching me like that's racist that's racist oh the new Matt Goss Mac OS is called hi no it's not of course oh really hi is that for real hi Sierra there's a photo oh yeah yeah I'm telling ya that's right Matt goes hi guys Sierra this is hang on amazing oh this I actually love it this is it okay so Shara's just tweeted this point we talked to the guys and we said this might be misconstrued but they assured us this name is fully baked oh sorry California that's our California it's it you know legalized this is Apple going to introduce an apple vape yeah yes it's a smart play time with Siri final all are smart vapors out there represented like yes no it's an Apple pencil vapor yeah Apple pencil of a pope each was like yeah okay okay we save that we're getting we're getting crazy here already well looky so also by saying MCOs Mac OS hi Sierra it's not a significant upgrade right this is going to be even smaller incremental stuff you won't see any major new revamps of features or UI so that also kind of indicates that they're gonna start off a little bit with severe safari so I can I talk right now but safari is a serene browsing experience did they really say that oh yeah it's a card serene we should have had that on the finger cuts I'm sorry I didn't think they were bad warranty to use the word serene in a keynote described sorry courage or an idiot serenity now feasts it's like the breed a pizza here we go this is the best feature here we now have autoplay blocking Oh No that's coming to Firefox - I'm sorry y'all I'm a fan of that the first I want to keep my job I want to keep my job but I'm a fan of that I just I wonder how it works can you opt-in if you're into that thing I would argue that gainers it's just check mark check bug check mark right it's absolutely it's a check mark because I think that people are actually getting used to Otto playing videos although I understand that for your data connection it's Bad News Bears I'm gonna say I ain't not even on Facebook Facebook in I mean yeah that's Facebook a difference I expect in a Facebook but it's just like you know I'm not the biggest fan let's just put it that way but I get it and you know what here's the thing advertisers are gonna have to be more creative now as more at autoplay blockers there or guess what just make awesome content so people don't care about the ad aspects like seriously that's all that's how you do it like the Apple penned video that should autoplay I think we might if we haven't already lost half of our viewers we might if we auto play that crap but I love making it we might we might um they actually have more viewers now than we have oh hell yeah oh no it just oh that's a down slope no no no just take down when they showed Brian's face again um collapse about Mac OS are a little half-hearted here according to char tip canoes inside the room a addition to talking about Safari you there's privacy but your browsing history is your own so it's not about blocking ads the web behaves like it always has Craig federighi is really just trying to sell us on this intelligent tracking prevention you know a lot of people use the does or desktop the native Mail app for Mac's so it sounds like there are a lot of welcome yeah improvements here like the split view with the compose window on the right that's very convenient oh that's interesting instead of it popping up on top yeah all right that's that's they also said a storage space required for mail up to 35% less they're improving faces here this looks like they're transitioning over to photos they're going through this pretty fast facial recognition in Apple's Photos app they've improved that when you put efforts into naming people it's now synchronized automatically across your devices that's interesting Felicity but we say conversions I want to see how affected this is because Apple photos traditionally has been really bad at facial recognition it has at least three instances of me as separate before oh it has me with no glasses me with sunglasses and me with glasses wait wait are you sure I'm three different people are you sure the phone is just not detecting that you exist in the multiverse well it's interesting because in this picture of the people there's a girl like blowing a bubble like a you know bubblegum like how can it tell how can it read her face based on the with the bubble in front the eyes man oh wait where you be chubby Joe the eyes why are you why are you even questioning Apple faces technology why would you question this is amazing that they would put that behind with these really really good at it oh my god guys what printed photo books oh my god guys Google did this this year hold on I need I need a remind I need you to rewind that Apple did that with iPhoto oh yes back in maybe arguably 2007 but I think I think three thousand seventeen is the resurgence of photo vocalises girls done it and now apples like haha guess what we did everything is cyclical is pegged pants Z cavariccis what come on a start I got you bro yeah z cavalry she coming back peggy ole pants there's a startup called chat books that i would say has a brought back the printed photo book you laugh but they have like 40 million dollars in funding man no i there's a laven of z camera oh i was like what there's nothing funny about chat box just look him up Zeke every to like insane it was like these like my old like baggy slash tapered pants that everyone wanted and the trend might have lasted a year when you were like in fifth or sixth grade like harem it was like there's a big deal um sixty four-bit top to bottom security with built-in crash protection native encryption instant file and directory cloning there's breaking down how ultra responsive it is this is stuff that's happening obviously in the background I really find it interesting that the thing that I didn't like when Google announced photo books recently is that it was so impersonal like oh the algorithm does it all for you it's like you can edit it before you get a file you can you can but like the basically with the press of the button it made the photo book and I don't know I'm sorry there's a part of me that likes to like choose the photos myself even you know I mean how are you are you all about the IR you say personal information sure yes I am because I still haven't printed any not a single wedding photo from three years ago if Google is like I got this I would buy ten different books well this thing they got it I got this well maybe maybe you should do your first like my wedding my friend I'm a millennial yeah I need it all done for me it's in the cloud it's in the cloud share know whereabouts in the cloud um h.265 high efficiency video coding will also be a part of this so that's going to help with graphics overall graphics GPU performance API for high performance graphics is metal they introduced that a while ago a few WWDC s as well but h.265 2h two five six new standard saves up to 40% with better compression and this is also part of write HD to 4k to 4k HDR you need better compression to handle these large files as well as for your video editors yeah I'm I'm wondering what we'll see if yeah we won't see any MacPro stuffy I mean nothing tells us that we will but MacPro either end of the year or early next year since they just started it they decided to just start that project earlier this year it's so sad so yeah the newest Maxie says they didn't define which ones yet get the hardware acceleration for new h.265 videos it'll be interesting to see that their new version of metal 2 graphics engine a great opposition's tremendous ap is ten times better draw call throughput thank God it's it you know it's always interesting though no matter what yeah developers that one let's put it that way the Mac will never be a go-to gaming platform and they you know it's okay I know that yeah they know that okay it's alright I was got Starcraft on it they brought back Starcraft that was badass we got a couple more bingos I do leave yeah oh my goodness have you seen all these new ones I'm just getting old it on TweetDeck oh your tween tech art fan we got all of our ban Wynkoop are they are they putting my more than night guys guys if you want ping Brian you want to be a part of the big show you got to put out Bryant on its who can show it off I got Jimmy Shafer up in here we got Sammy Jacob Asadi we got Hamza juicer week C star Oh got the bingo I'm black copying people yeah hurry all you said as reference I was 11 really they did to iOS 11 yet they said iOS but not iOS 11 that isn't that that didn't count towards their bingo win though oh you're right yeah it doesn't matter yeah it's it wasn't part of the five across wow Steven really getting specific there yeah rules rules baby you're looking out you're looking out for sorrow thanks you did someone take a picture with the iPad I'm sorry that's all these days so what you need to police this for real all right all I need is augmented reality cool so I'm not gonna win oh I've kind of lost track of I you know Dan Ackerman um makes a great point remember VR and AR are make reality apps and app development require very very heavy-duty GPU power and it's an area that Apple is getting very seriously into they've built out an entire team they've had they have hundreds of engineers working on their new AR platform which we probably won't we might hear some about but not in depth there's been plenty of stories that Apple is working on some sort of an AR type of glasses but it still a ways out so for them to be competitive with what is happening and how things are changing because look it's not gonna happen this year it's not gonna happen in three years it might happen in three years but there's going to be a point where the phone is we wait we won't even eat our phones there will be a point not anytime soon soon but you know whether it's our watch our glasses that'll be the new phone there's gonna be a point where are we implanted into our face oh my god it's gonna take a while for glasses to become mainstream really and it's going to be acceptable because we saw the backlash against Google glass spectacles we really they didn't sell that many at all they're sold at less than a hundred thousand units oh really yeah so that's what they it is that well I mean their marketing campaign really shot in the foot they've made a lot of hype but then it made them really difficult to access obviously and so when the I when the company went public and the IPO came out they had sales figures and then in like the last two quarters basically since they were were tracking sales it was less than a hundred thousand I was like ninety six thousand or something hey bro uh can you go to my screen real quick here Steve yep the guy corner from NYC said de Brian's Hong really bring up Z cavariccis hahaha wait a minute those are cute I would wear the ones in the middle I'll bring it on taking you back I'm taking you back those are back man they are everything's coming back I told you cyclical pigpen pay peg pick your pants all right high sierra available today for developers public beta in june you know what's also interesting though about the um oh no my brain literally just farted yeah oh the the augmented reality glasses thanks for the fart sound effect i appreciate that uh if there's it sounds kooky but if there's any space where apple can surprise us like you said google glass look horrible and they they were trying to sell a beta product which was not what it was you know Google learning from their mistakes snapchat glasses not so great let's say in two years Apple drops it an actual pair of glasses that not only look stylish but can do things we care about they might be the company that might be there next thing like I could see it right how things have lined up no one's really mastered it yet hololens awesome but still too big I'm not yeah hololens um magically we don't know where they're really at with that maybe that's looking down the line somewhere that Apple could actually make a dent and be like oh thanks I got it they got us back again and I don't know but I'm saying just how things are lined up yeah it's early and there's a lot of other companies doing a our glasses that are really quite exciting and quite good but these are really for applications that are industrial they use foreign governments and they're not useful for consumers at all like you're not going to drop three and a half thousand dollars on a pair of AR glasses that you can't do anything with because there's no consumer application right so Apple could possibly get that yeah while we're hanging out and talking it looks like they're talking about new hardware for the iMac they're jumping over to max this is a we did not expect to see IMAX itself but they're going to be putting in the best Mac displays ever 500 nits measure brightness 43 percent brighter 10 bit did the rain 1 billion colors they will be loaded with the seventh gen Intel Core KB Lake processors this is a lot of people asked about IMAX and we didn't expect to see them here today but KB Lake is coming to the iMac family the 21.5 inch will get up to 32 gigs larger size can have up to 64 gigs of memory fusion drive is standard on all configurations and solid-state drive options up to 50% faster and 2 terabytes ooh iMac lovers are going to love this and look USB ports at the back not USB see or do they have both giving up oh yeah yeah but but they're not going exactly Sibley USB seems interesting to see good is an interesting thing to USB see hey you guys still tuning in okay second oh no we're just checking with still e we're still there oh we don't hi max Clyde it wasn't on the radar which is great this is do we talk about surprises we don't surprise you um and they're time out the faster graphics up to 80 percent faster performance the entry-level iMac will get an Intel iris plus graphics chip let's see what they talk about the higher-end one that there's a 21.5 inch iMac with a retina 4k display it's also going to be moving over to discreet graphics AMD ready Radeon Pro it there's a type of it's Radeon not radio but you know they're typing ly fast radio Pro Radeon pro 5 555 and 560 new system is three times faster graphics and lastly their 27-inch iMac Radeon Pro of 570 and 575 yeah up to eight gigs of VRAM 5k display as usual on the large screen 27-inch iMac and it was great yeah the discreet graphics is a big day yes and also on an iMac yeah on an iMac is huge deal and also talking about the direct quote is a great platform for VR content creation uh-oh yeah bad very sure make sure what the is that an oculus next to it or what would be our I've I've I've I've Aviva Aviva vive um Industrial Light Magic's John Knoll is coming to stage to talk about how the power of the new iMac will aid in this process he says I've always done my art and development on a Mac this is interesting because you know right now people for the most part people aren't using Mac's for this type of production content I don't know if there are too late in the game where you're gonna see people yeah I know they use Mac's for you know for design for graphics um you know even the graphics and for the video games but actual building VR stuff other than you know you're wrapping up your 360 videos and whatnot it's not like the professional industry is saying the Mac is the platform to choose for VR content creation I haven't heard that yet no it's right up there with Mac's not being the best platform for playing games yep yeah but I would I mean is there a correlation between now if max can handle VR production does this also mean that they may be able to hand handle games a little bit better than they have true mm-hmm it just depends if developers exact job on board I'm on board that's true well the discrete graphics is definitely gonna help a lot there and we're seeing some actual VR demos on stage looks like it looks like they're saying that this HTC vive rig is actually for the first time all powered by a Mac that's awesome oh that's they're only showing vibe hardware there's no mention of oculus or any other VR brand right now but they did say that it is being all powered by a Mac I think earlier they did talk about unity and unreal but I don't know if oculus was name checked there no I didn't see oculus I did see unity in unreal have you guys tried the Star Wars demo for the vibe oh it is amazing it's incredible and if they can get that going on an iMac that's huge she beat him and I spent a lot of time with each other so I'll say things that he's heard five times and he'll say things that I've heard five times like that it's a true III didn't want to fake and be like oh no tell me more about it yeah all right so they're showing a demo of um on stage of her in a virtual world being run it's a looks like it just it's some Star Wars I don't know what planet there looks like um Vader Darth Vader's uh headquarter his home base yeah where he recharges you can see his tower in the background okay great so all you need now is to buy a new iMac so you can enjoy VR this is a VRS problem you have to have so much equipment and it's so expensive to get it off the ground that's but I mean is this is this demo necessarily targeted towards hey now you can do VR oh is it more like hey developers hey Studios right yes all right we now have support and it's gonna be easy to do it and it's gonna be actually functional right they're throwing in TIE fighter there she's she's basically in this virtual world and throwing in iconic Star Wars vehicles ships Darth Vader and having fun playing with it fun this is the demo time man let me see if anyone wow that's pretty cool guys looks like he's in Hawaii Darth Vader's in Hawaii right now well since our on the Mac I'm just gonna take this call real fast hopefully Aaron is ready to roll from Indianapolis Aaron I know that you're watching the keynote and you're hanging with us we're gonna take your call real quick what's up welcome seen alive uh how y'all doing today doing great what's up nothin less'n just watching the keynote right now and actually on like a little iPhone 6 so yeah but anyways I'm just curious about our if that was going to bring great bass coming to the iPhone I hope so I hope so but guess what that would be so cool they didn't show it in Mac in their demo Mac OS they never mentioned it there at all to me that's a psycho feature that should be on both Mac OS and iOS and because they didn't put it there it may not but maybe they'll surprise maybe they decided for some reason only make it mobile and which would be really bad to you so yeah but we'll see so we just wanted to jump in real quick since they're just kind of hanging out with VR right now but thanks for calling we appreciate you waiting so long yeah no problem I I've been watching you guys to show since the beginning I've been an apple I've been an Apple fan first for so long and I love you guys were two even individually and stuff like that and uh Alexis should be the next series voices are out showing their voice is amazing so yes hey hey Aaron I can't help you but give her her Twitter handle but not phone number Twitter handle I know oh it's okay I'm single for a long time it's alright hey bro single mingle love yourself love yourself right exactly exactly awesome alright thanks so much man thanks for calling alright problem all right we will get back into this keynote here um again they're kind of just going over the specs of the matte IMAX the 21.5 inch entry-level starts at 1099 the 21.5 inch 4k starts at $12.99 and they have we have not seen the announcement of the high-end uh Mac yet oh here we go $17.99 for the iMac retina 5k 27 inch okay you know it's not as high as I thought it would be yeah you know what it is though once you load it right like more ram you'll throw up another you know six seven hundred bucks and on there also it looks like we're going total Mac refresh KB Lake is also coming to the MacBooks so get ready you can also mark your bingo card I mean I like it we have 14 winners for our bingo card so you have a pretty high chance of a single we got a lot of bingo has already happening I can see them all all right um so just for your record according to Shara Apple cuts the price of the entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro from - $12.99 which is $200 less than it used to be that's a much more reasonable price and a great entries for students 13-inch with again a physical physical barbar Bunga yeah yeah function function keys volume brightness that makes so much more sense thank you oh yeah for coming to your senses Apple okay so originally $14.99 now $12.99 for the non touch MacBook Pro non touch bar MacBook Pro it's good I would recommend that highly already yeah that makes me wonder what if anything is going to happen with the MacBook Air because now those two are getting a little close more than just the regular old MacBook right where is that gonna fit into I mean this that's the 12 inch that's the super skinny the Super Max getting you on the gold when it comes in the gold finishes well it's so beautiful it's just not powerful enough for me to actually give it a shot it's so light though is it is lighter than it's a beauty no doubt no doubt oh it's called the iMac pro iMac oh man wait what is that exactly - hang on yet another product yes I know online so to your point more redundancy yeah so is this well we don't know exactly because we're not listing this but are they saying this is separate from the iMac 5k this is a its own beast yes it is a different thing you'll first notice it's the same great design as our 27-inch iMac but it's seriously AB a - space grey finish oh that's cool that is cool Scott sign sense it's an iMac but badass alright looks like they're gonna jump into the video right now it's cool because the information that we get inside actually comes out before the actual yeah we go just before so we just get it a few moments before so we can talk about it and you guys can all watch it which is why you could do both so they have they showed a mouse that was like Space Gray is this space great this one I think this one is yes that is space grace that new MacBook Pro that you're rubbing and like bragging about no I've already scratch it is quite scrub it is it's fair I don't know how it got scratched but it just did wonder if you can bump it out so they're talking about performance into this new iMac pro the team had to rethink the thermal architecture it's greater the increase greater than an 80% increase in cooling capacity will ship with an 8 core Intel Xeon processor Oh daddy like run bro I got I bought I bought the first iMac uh the new 27-inch iMac I was crying when they released the 5k display like a little I think wait hours around this and I'm like you Jeff but this iMac Pro in this piece I have a prole I have an iMac I'm gonna stop iMac pro oh just move it on the nightshirt Sharon this this is a brain this is a worm in your brain that will not leave for the next week it hurts it does hurt um it's also going to ship with a freaking 10 core Xeon processor model if you want Wow and AMD's Radeon Vega graphics and a cool little swirly animation that looks cool up to 18 cores ok they kind of went crazy though 16 gigs of VRAM video Ram I told him all right so is this to tide us over until the Mac Pro comes out probably 18 core zealand processor that since I want to see a side-by-side comparison of this versatile Pro yeah here's the thing right the garbage they they this the the fact that this exists is because they wanted to ignore the Mac Pro race was the replacement basically saying for them not doing any updates the Mac Pro this is better than the pro then the Pro is gone why do we need the prize all those poor people that well the reason why is because there's still a lot of use I want to customize external cards video cards audio cards and different wanted to configure options other than that mmm-hmm so this is the thing I think the pro the power on this is like damn this is sick but then you're like well I don't most people that need this much power need more expandability yeah so it's it's gonna catch me it's a little lot it's a little it's a tweener it's a tweener but I think that someone like me who kind of got over the fact that a Mac Pro isn't gonna exist in the way that I wanted to would be answered in this but then now that but are you gonna wait a year plus for the new Mac Pro you'll get this I think some people gonna buy this actually exactly plus it's Oh first time ever 1080p FaceTime camera 1080p FaceTime camera give me four eight years was um you could change the settings yeah I can just put a piece of scotch tape over the power of this iMac you could theoretically hook up to 5k displays and to raid arrays for the hard drive so it has it looks like on the back here for standard USB and then for Thunderbolt so there again this is the iMac Pro this is again it you know exactly what Apple is thinking for the longest time and why they were ignoring the Mac Pro which is kind of sad it is you know they come out with this okay that's it it makes it kind of like for people that are pro users they're like exactly it's a stab okay what about talking crosswise I really want to know if we kid it out fully to the extent that we can make it I want raisi as possible whoa we got the press oh you're the beat you to it I'm gonna wait hold on $17.99 was the iMac pride am I looking at it is it like $24.99 starting no I think it's gonna be thirty seven ninety-nine what is it a no four nine nine nine oh I just want doodoo in my pants that's not gonna happen that's quite a bit okay available in December and that's the configuration with the 5k display the eight core not even that's the minimum goes that's the eight core cool that's just the eight core minimal entry 32 gigs memory one terabyte essence one caribou yeah tanking right like Ethernet this is five grand and we're gonna put a to this the look I'm not here to hate but I'm gonna this doesn't make sense for most people that's the point yeah there's an honorable thing its foot game is it's for people that I do your developer developers intensive applications right and that's so Dan and Dan Ackerman says that this is actually a good price for what you're getting he reviews gaming laptops that cost more or as my oh yes I'm not yelling that makes sense alright alright it's a steal oh hey I'm I I think it's cool I the Space Gray to make it pro dude this is like if a company is buying it for you oh yeah oh I go by this with my own money mm-hmm I mean me ya know I'm gonna enroll in school just so I can get that discount I mean for you young people that want this it's time to go ramen dinner ramen breakfast Robin lunch yeah you had a few spices a lot a meal the chicken cost money that togarashi little flavoring about mana a little Orochi that costs money that's not a bad point there the student discount 10% for serious you enroll in the three units okay it's gonna cost you a couple hundred dollars you save five hundred let's go let's go let's get let's get crazy here farm-to-table get some chives in your backyard get some green onion your backyard a little mac for a bit a Thai basil up in there now we're talking okay okay Thai basil nice man thanks I mean I know you'd appreciate that chef Sheeran all right oh I always love it oh I love it well bingo Oh what did I win guy I want yeah you bet you what what are you in I don't know high five did I put the disclaimer that people in the life you know cannot not win fine I mean I do have a good I do I do have a rose gold USB decided I need a lightning to headphone dongle please thank you need a dongle everybody needs one of those I've been asked that a lot hey guy I got a got two giggles from the ladies not man or throw up in the mouth I mean one of the other all right iOS 11 their time out how messages added iMessage or sorry messages added stickers in iOS 10 a redesigned app drawer so absolutely accessible right there at the bottom of the screen this is gonna be interesting look a lot of this stuff is going to hint because of the form factor of the new iPhone will change and most likely not have any type of physical home button we've got to see some sort of hints to that here getting people ready getting that is actually kind of useful when I'm afraid when I do like swipes it's gonna be a problem yeah okay all right iCloud looks like the big story with mess is that messages in iCloud will now be synchronized when you sign into the service I'm pretty sure they already are I thought yeah I'm thinking it takes a little while but it does sync huh I mean I don't know if there are maybe are they over viewing yeah we were not oh end they stay in sync maybe that's the difference oh so it's not loading it back loaded yes most likely and also like live syncing B yeah and when there is a delay in which you haven't signed into a device for a long time it has the last history rather than the most current messages maybe that's what they're referring you're real talk the real talk be careful what you put on your iMessage uh real talk be careful what devices you sign into with your iTunes account real talk live syncing everybody real talk turn it off clear your photos immediately I'm like I like uh yeah last we will talk 2-step authentication hey Beecher why is your face red Beecham's not even in this conversation his face is red not when I was homesick on Friday and someone logged into my computer at my desk and I got a notification on my phone I'm like what what happened I wanted like call someone to be someone on my computer but then I was just like just forget it whatever ah but at least they give you a notification of that I guess but if you have messages pulled up as an app but I thought I'd turn it off it might have been like some update sometimes you have to turn that stuff off I'm telling you to step authentication people do it okay here's the big thing started jump in Apple is now offering pay to pay person-to-person payments Apple now Bank Apple you know Apple Wallet Apple pay yeah didn't completely take off so who said I think I use Apple pay a lot actually is an untapped market there and it's really this is really a part of Apple's big push into obviously p2p payments is huge but they really want to kind of replace banks eventually I want to see it happening I can see it happen well the cool thing is you can do it directly in the message out well I want to know if it's like venmo where it holds your money in this virtual account you have to cash out of I hate that that that seems to mean you'd like it to just transfer directly to what - I wonder you just log into your bank account that's how I don't know maybe yours much differently you have to enforce it out yeah yes I wonder though if that's a function that is agreed on with like the banks it's like there's someone that's putting that roadblock that you still have to physically move it from this platform into our bank like for whatever reason right now yeah is there any way to finance right other than working directly to your bank square lets you do it do you like to be like 50 cents okay but it is what you did well that's gonna be interesting to see how thank you baby works well I'm okay with just doing it myself I gotta pay 50 cents I mean it's worth it so next up here we go they're going to talk about Siri more than 375 million active devices use it monthly being baked into the messages app okay hold on I think they're jumping out how many times it said baked today yeah they're making it a big upgrade to it that's Siri voice we're used we've used deep learning to make it more natural so employees I want to know what Siri sounds like now Siri has a great new visual interface as well we'll pry it up provide follow-up answers with just a tap that's a classic Google feature oh yeah follow up answers and translation which is also another classic Google feature yes coming in strong translation and entering that interesting interesante they can transition initially English to Chinese French German and Spanish right now Siri translation is in beta according to this Scott Steinman he puts beta in parenthesis Sirikit can down new more than ever with iOS 11 you can do task management in OmniFocus as third-party app connections bring up a QR code and WeChat Siri not only understands your voice it understands the context we've heard this before from other company so we're gonna try and figure out what more can do that again they need to play more catch-up than I don't think they're going to come out with some groundbreaking thing they see smarter play catch up yeah help help us make a calendar appointment based on something we booked on the web Google does that or just automatically does that yeah have it you know what's clear though is that when you have the Google app on the Google assistant now an iPhone it it goes into your email and it says your package is being shipped and it gets the notification to you before you get the email oh that's I happen to be no like creepy so it's using the tracking so ladies just a quick thing I'm assuming we'll see a lot more in the series speaker but that's all they talked about Siri that's it they're jumping over to camera already which is kind of interesting so we'll still have like theoretically an hour to go oh just an hour I want more time with you don't you want more time with me so anyway so you know back to keynote so next to the camera our customers now take one trillion photos per year take a lot of video oh interesting it looks like they're doing rolling out a new image format for basically compressing your images so they take up less space but still have the same quality presumably it'll be interesting it's cost good HEV C for videos hei F for photos so everyone who for some reason bought a 16 gigabyte iPhone yeah even though we the three of us here we told you not to do this I start please you'll be happy we worked for this website called Sina at least if you don't listen to anything we say just don't get the 16 gig iPhone just don't do that no it's not needed uh-oh okay here we go this is something interesting now so they're talking about depth information and this is what I was talking about with the dual cameras on the 7 plus yeah it's got to be something extra here so they're starting to hint at capturing the depth from the two cameras with the depth API oh the depth API okay well so for now Scott's saying the depth API will allow the dual lens portrait mode to roll out to other apps not just for that's cool and that was hopefully something that it's expected however well I want to see more they're also they're also talking about with iOS 11 you can take low-light photographs using HDR so sorry even more so low light while using that high dynamic range that's interested in our how well that's alright yeah see you in the pudding right like HDR now is really generally only full like in his bright situation so you have enough light in order to take a couple of different exposures at once so if you're in low light keeping that stable is gonna be a tricky job without a tripod I'm not gonna hate no but it sounds almost made up it's like I'm you know you go like oh we just you know we turn on the HDR while it's low light like oh how does that work you're not gonna get a camera shaking yeah it's gonna I don't see me interesting I believe it though there I believe it I believe it I just like to mess with them so it sounds like portrait is coming to movies as well as life so motifs perhaps okay now this is all hinting that and maybe it was obvious already but if it wasn't before it is now that all of the next iPhones will have dual cameras yeah just type in iPhone 8 camera you'll see every you'll see every image possible what do we think of also like the move to portrait vertical video so they're talking about you can now watch the effect in portrait mode why are we moving towards vertical video here beautiful two things that's how we're just doing it now I think it sounds ridiculous but people do not want to rotate their phone are lame I will not rotate my phone I will not rotate my phone I will not rotate my phone oh it has a lot to do with so social media I believe and YouTube's doing that now to where you can go full screen with though no with an upright phone it's just it's just following consumers behaviors you know true whether we like it or not I don't want to admit that's the case cuz it makes me sad it makes me it hurts me inside someone that likes to take photos that and watch video I think we should see yeah yeah now I think we should just mess with people in the understand what they're doing we're gonna do the next live show in vertical video and you're gonna be pissed we should know we should have beach and put some light I don't know how it even do it you know we could cast just like just like a title cart no and so yeah we just could put blinders on both sides to be like this be like this dude I want that should we go do that when you go to the movie theater you're gonna be like oh oh my god it's so wide and then everybody will go back to movie theaters again that's true it's a conspiracy they're doing by doing they're doing a new a control center update now this looks interesting it looks like a lot of stuff is going on I don't know if you have a screen of this Beecham but it looks like there's a music player there's your utilities it's almost like widget II widget style it looks Center is such a mess yeah I keep you know what I keep deafening myself every time I'm listening to music and I'm trying to access something from the control center slapping across and then accidentally swiping all the way totally I do that all the time contain this control center does not look it looks more jumbled like I see the big panels with that thing right there that shot right there yeah that right there yeah the eyes just glaze over when I why can't the music player just be a rectangle that is a cross a strength a strip instead of like a box in the corner without swiping it's too much thing user interface design is something that Apple usually gets very right but looking at that is very confusing fumbling all over themselves with the Apple watch though so to me he's right in line damn hashtag real talk um the you you can 3d touch the control center to go directly into them for more detail like it'll pop them up that's what we saw when Wyatt Wyatt goes into the large screens like do you know how many people I I just love doing this showing people 3d touch for the first time no they have it I'm like push it in like oh wow God like I was I am still am I was all about 3d touch but it's like people don't know slash use it and it's you know part of moving things forward is changing the behavior of how people do things right now people are comfortable using at least in the US long long ago in Asia it's already been done using their phones as wallets right that is taken time for people to get used to that a view this whole 3d touch thing it because not all apps can use it it's not truly again consistent like people don't use it don't know where to use it when to use it the only time I use 3d touch to two main things when a message notification pops up I can push right into it right so it doesn't take over my screen anymore and then Shazam I don't want to open this damn I'm like oh it's just like Lissa peek and pop on a Shazam and then just pick and pop pick and pop that's the phone they called it pick it up yeah so when I go like this think about like a pop big aha Vica pick up a pop OH where's Pikachu oh I thought we were gonna see something rude endo related Oh still come um how many of you use memories I look at that crap all the time yeah all the time memories have you ever not really that often well you know I'm gonna I'm gonna say just try looking at it you know maybe try once a month and I think you'll end up using it more than you think probably like I probably cuz I have nieces and nephews and you know let me milady go out like to some cool place and then I look I'm like I'm not like saving the video but I'm looking at him yeah right are ya I'm looking at him why me Brian I thought you didn't want Google and Apple to curate these things forever you are the number one photobook is different photo books is different that's like hard to me if it's virtual it's okay well it's like a video sure because I'm lazy for sure yeah like I'm not gonna edit a video of like what happened in my yeah at the winery or something but if it's a book like some like if I gave you a gift as a book yeah and you knew that I just pressed one button to make it that's like heartless that is heartless there's no soul in that where's that which is the damn soul fair enough that's a good that's all I'm saying all right but I agree your point was actually well made I just needed take it to the next level I love watching these like after a vacation or a little trip or something these are a lot of fun to watch I would say if you have kids yes yeah I've slammed on looks like thank God or food your food or bird shots those are my babies yeah yeah Google was doing this a long time ago though but Apple is doing it too it's pretty much exactly the same almost down to the font and the music seriously yeah because they can yeah I mean the Facebook ripped off snapchat in five different ways this is just the new internet this works the new norm everything's gonna be the same not proprietary live stream from everywhere that's true and it looks like they've also ripped off boomerang because there was a factory you can loop and reverse give them gifs as you and this is why you haven't heard a mention of the oculus because Facebook is Apple's one of Apple's biggest competitors so I mean yeah they're just gonna rip off their features one by one exactly other quick things um they didn't go into it too in-depth but they said let's talk about stickers and I immediately kept scrolling nothing on stickers map maps has a mail mode in the new maps detailed floor oh sorry Malmo carries sorry yeah detailed floor plans of malls we let you browse by floor malls in Boston Chicago and Hong Kong um can we get this for the CES convention please oh yeah can we get this for the CNET office yeah yes please well this is something that Google Maps does yeah indoor indoor mapping is been a thing that people talk about for a while but now you know Apple Maps let me let me speculate a little bit here specky let's gets Becky a are this is lame Robert that's true there we go that's all integration I like it they're also talking about kobold sharra just mentioned carplay real real briefly so people have had been asking us on the podcast a lot about you know what's going on with carplay and it's so going on with hey what is going on we wanted to bring the same level of safety to everyone who doesn't have one of the kinds of cars that has carplay okay here's what's going on with carplay either you are you have purchased a new car that happens to be carplay compatible in the last couple years and you have it or you don't that's all that's why we haven't heard much about it because I mean I don't know anybody using I don't know anyone as in the car this is no car I was in a rental car with carplay in it and it was still weird to use like you're still touching in it still you just want to get your phone out and do exactly the same thing as you don't want to do on the screen it's not as efficient as they would like I just want to be able to mirror my phone that's all yeah because using your phone exactly the way you would when you're not driving while you are driving is a very safe idea oh wait wait hold on you make a point wait well so here's the thing in carplay they did add a feature called do not disturb while driving so that you won't be I guess alerted retracted by notifications that you no matter what are going to press even though yes once in a while you do that while you're driving I'm sorry it happens it is not safe don't do I don't recommend it but one thing I find interesting is that with Android Androids car platform the phone when you plug it in basically becomes completely useless and stuff is done on the screen and we're right now in carplay your i your iphone plugging the system you could still use it like it's still active which is very distracting right but you know yeah so um this do not disturb mode is maybe a way that they are addressing it but it works to say you know it's working the same stop sign is saying it I wonder how well it works with the Apple watch is it the same does it talk to it we'll see oh that's a good question I'm going to move on a home kit now uh announced in 2014 for the record there's always a market section there's a long time ago there's oh is something happening about speakers there's one here's here's the setup yeah here it is one category really close to our heart that we wanted to add to home kit that's speakers ah I just want to see your price I want to see when it's available I want to see what it looks like rumors have said Oh Jimmy groom storage can I know the joke was they're gonna repurpose the Mac Pro shells them into the speaker that's exactly how I imagined change it so it's a fabric grill Bravo Oh totally that's totally I mean they they got to do something with all that extra mess yeah and it's not a speaker it's it's talking about controlling speakers with airplay - yeah turning up volume through a new airplay protocol which gives more finite control over that on a single panel oh can you airplay to multiple speakers that aren't necessarily the same brand it says right here multiple room audio supporting iOS 11 that's great there you go thank you very much you're willing to 'the was never able to overcome this challenge so it makes sense for airplay to tackle it wow that's great hmm do I have any airplay speakest but if you buy beats oh here's that here's a nice thing they just added now your Apple TV can be played too from an iOS device or Mac anywhere in the home so you're able to from what it looks like your Apple TV can be seen on any like on your Mac screen on your iOS screen so that wasn't the case before no like I couldn't mirror a you mirror from your macbook to your Apple TV but what if from what I'm reading what if you wanted to mirror your Apple TV and have that sit back experience like at your Haute you know yeah on your computer screen like an Apple TV talking your Apple TV to your MacBook screen oh like in a different room of your house would you want that I think it's kind of cool actually I'd want that as long as you can have multiple instances of Apple TV yeah like it's like different different videos from different rooms right yeah the multi audio right Chris jumps in here multi-room audio control is going to be a major crowd-pleaser right now just go by oh yeah please make this a reality oh yeah by the end of this keynote I'm like seven thousand dollars deep drop five grand on it I'm mad yeah we should maybe do something like that like what do I want from the keynote and just keep on adding have a running total I'm telling it's just like alright Apple music time I'll be pumped guys mm-hm they now have 27 million customers I don't it doesn't look like those are I'm not sure if those are paid yeah looks like paid subscribers as of December earlier that our last year Apple had over 20 million so they moved up to 27 million if I recall use Spotify it 50 or 60 million 50 million last time I checked yeah combined 50 million pains yes correct that's not combined so yeah the total of all Spotify users is higher Yeah right okay Apple music they're talking about this and Phil Schiller is going to be coming up to stage with their kind of new revamps to Apple music you know what I really want to that sucks it totally sucks yeah I really want to say just a better-looking iTunes device clean I change you got everything they just break it out make it clean up make it seamless make Apple music look better yeah it's not that hot don't be that hot though it is I'm it is it's hard it takes we've seen this historically over a span of six to ten years it's hard clearly Jilla oh but we can't tell if his voice cracks I know yes so I'm please tweet us and let us know I'm just gonna mark it cuz I guarantee you it happens once it's on the bingo card for a reason it really is just gets excited guy he really does oh we have a reference to Pokemon bad with people in Hong Kong playing Pokemon go still so ya know I've seen people playing I don't I hope you have they still going oh [Laughter] yeah yeah scott stein said pink pokemons go bingo card checked off we do not put on the bingo diet on here but maybe it's on his 1 maybe yeah he won his own personal one that has just tears on it he's had he had I Mac Pro $4,999 you really didn't want to check that box off so Apple is highlighting the fact that their App Store is a trusted and safe place for all users we know that this past year has been a very tumultuous one when it comes to vulnerabilities and hacks so Apple this is Apple's chance to reassure everyone that they've had their App Store locked down for a long time here's the thing that developers are most likely going to cheer about we can't listen in faster app review times a majority of apps are now reviewed under 24 hours most in one to two hours that's pretty good cuz that's a while ago a while ago for developers I mean they were complaining like they didn't hear anything for like days yeah and they're like what's going on with my app so so I wonder good I know how big that team is or if they have robots doing it now that's a lot of apps to approve it is we've been one to two hours yeah but hey 100 billion dollars in revenue they've got to invest in it that's where that's where their income is so Scott Stein is chiming in that this is a really fast paced keynote I would agree it's like one more thing it looks like they're now doing phased releases so when you submit an app you can choose if you want it to be phased in over time so you don't overload your infrastructure and your servers all at once so you know when there's a big release to an app this is actually quite useful yep it you know everyone's like slamming especially in this new iOS update or something like that is probably the most common thing I can think about it's just not like being slammed so everyone's trying to get at the same time so if you're a developer and you want your app to go out not everyone is going to be hitting your servers at the same time so hopefully would reduce load and make a better experience and I think that's a smart think developers would hopefully react well to that this is also interesting they're going to do a complete redesign to the App Store complete it starts with a brand new tab called two-day guys it looks like Apple music yeah came to that yes yes you know what's harder about this look at how look at that that redesign I'm ever paid for that top spot paid a lot of money because you're literally looking at one freaking app yeah oh they showed injustice to dope I'm all about that anything like so now it's like oh we're games were an injustice to dope no but look it from a Content standpoint if the today tab you see one app that's got let's do do real experience yeah hey no you're right though that's a that's a money spot right there it is and that's you know there there has to be something about the organic nature of finding stuff that surfaces the top that's not going to be like Oh top downloaded based on major XYZ Monument Valley is a known thing you know injustice too is a known thing all these things are showing Airbnb I've never heard of that app but like it's like out you know I I like getting exposed to stuff that like you may not have known about or just show me more than one tile exact like come on it's an app store oh no it is the app store like the one app store once done you're not gonna you're not buying death Road to Canada down here I don't know I really don't need 99 credits under the section of prep for zombies zombie apocalypse alright is part of the app review process I can make up my own app category alright Wow oh I just it looks too much like Apple me they were like you spend more time I'm just I'm just saying this doesn't this isn't compelling though for me to like click around it's one tile exactly I go in and I go I'm not interested in this top app I'm not gonna scroll by how many times you want to scroll you yeah you might because you're like wait that's only one what else is there so you're like well I'm here like you can scroll sideways on see like there's two rows that you can even scroll through on the colonel you'll do that but it's further down it's buried underneath that top slot right there which is the today which is probably going to be things like yo-yo okay how many apps can I find from here like I can find apps on apps okay apps on apps I got one app one it's called App Store for a reason yeah some like we said I would say I would argue though that if you use snapchat or Instagram stories or anything like that you might already be accustomed to one thing at a time and then diving into the experience more so maybe they're taking a page out of that design book but even sap shots of branded content you can look at a lot of different things that's true yeah yeah like it's all about a mrs. Joe mom is still big blocks lately snapchats interface sucks we bring hotties really Wow like after two three years using it you're still wondering where's but but you're still using it ish no yes oh man okay well that's the App Store like I have to say you know justjust going back to money spent on the App Store and whatnot I have definitely over the years become more comfortable spending more money really yeah on digital goods like apps I think that if they offer enough utility I mean you know we spend art so much of our time on our phones so why not invest in that time I'm kind of interesting because we're talking about the app experience on the App Store I'm very much a person that I go in I kind of I've read about an app somewhere else and I'll going to download that one specific app and I generally weren't spend time exploring and seeing what else is out there because I don't like the experience of just aimlessly browsing you know I wasn't exploring sorry this is gonna make me even less to turn right to go and die and find you I should just acquire product because they have it figured yeah what's the first thing you do when you go to app store I usually go to top free look at the list free right and see what there is I just go to injustice - yeah where are you searching whatever you want I just I just do that top free is like Facebook YouTube um the record I'm not not being paid by injustice - or Warner Brothers for the record emotion - yeah damn amazing game okay on to the next why hold on I do have 20 bucks with the from Warner Bros in my pocket right now okay okay so yeah I don't know that that app store thing as a developer who's trying to get your app discovered I think you're probably even more frustrated when you see that interface right now yeah oh yeah it's funnier I just wrote exactly what I said I only head to the App Store to download apps I already know I want and he's wondering how many people actually use it to discover new apps oh but they do did you know you ever wanted Angry Birds I did it no I and and me was a bad experiment to take part of it so it looks like they're wrapping up they really spent a lot of time out of everything again it's for developers this is a developer school on the App Store I I'm I wanna I'm actually really curious I don't know if we have any developers that are watching this right now with us um will prompt it but at the end of the show I want to hear what developers thought think about this yeah cuz they're the ones that are gonna be the most affected by this I'm really curious so I'll throw out a tweet also just to see if people can let us know what they think about that alright federighi is back herefore is one back on stage alright so yay let's talk about machine learning there we go getting smart here we go this is what we want this is what we've been asking for it's the way that we will get a cohesive consistent experience across platforms but let's see how else to use it don't let us down yeah please don't make this like don't make it another redesigned apps to all these machine learning has helped us redesign App Store the surface exactly what content you want for that one my goodness okay so we have machine learning powering face tracking detection this is you know Google launched or announced Google lense at Google i/o last month and that's very much also machine learning what can what can we get out of this photo and how can we tie it to things that we know so your face is one of those things that can be recognized and identified so what is Apple doing with this I don't know but it sounds like they have they're announcing an API which will allow developers to use it however they like so bring on the space swap apps yeah yeah here's the thing when I see all this stuff is like honestly and they'll have to prove it to us with how they apply it is that believin better than Google at doing these things you're better at snapchat yeah seriously like then this is again you know companies have certain wheelhouses that they're experts in and no matter what you can't be an expert in everything I think that's been proven you just can't be an expert in everything so with this technology they have it's more about how they use it within a platform but is it actually when it comes down to us the end-user is it actually better than what's out there exactly and just quickly I know they're diving into a on right now but I want to know how this processing is done because I know Apple in the past has made a big deal about all this processing is done on camera or the facial recognition to power like grouping faces together in photos yeah is this now being opened up to developers I'm going to sit on a cloud somewhere or is it still gonna be on device would love to know about if it's on device we need a new chip yes it's you know remember that Apple announced the motion coprocessor because they were really leaning into health so if they are leaning into AR and machine learning and AI and so on give us a chip so that we're not killing our battery life and that everything runs more smoothly well I'll tell you smartypants that they are actually developing according to many reports an actual AI base chip for exactly what you're asking for to save battery power and throw all that onto the chip well I'm trying to say is showing an round of applause this round of applause um they are when we talk about AR they are announcing AR kit which will have developer tools for AR apps and additional tools so this is their first foray into outright saying we are we are putting we have home kit we got AR kit yeah we got Sirikit all the kids les Google's was named something very similar to Wright was in a VR kit or something oh just a couple weeks ago I don't I could be totally wrong but so they're showing kind of like a demo an iPhone using a camera and how it can identify different things not only that it can add objects like putting a coffee cup onto a table it's kind of funny how this is stuff that you know we've seen but the Apple audience isn't maybe necessarily as familiar like yeah yeah yeah right lens with the demos that blew everyone's mind playing Minecraft on a table yeah you've seen this at Facebook's developer conference you know a couple of weeks ago as well this is you know you this is basically what he's showing now is kind of like snapchat esque you can do 3d objects in your world I was talking about how the shadows can be moved around though and reflecting based on where you put the object and the lighting is changing accordingly and again it's okay look to me whether they're not on the cutting edge or not Apple has so much power the fact that all these iPhones however hundreds of millions of phones are in people's hands a developer has been wanting these tools so they can make stuff to make money on Apple's platform so whether it happened two three years ago or whether it's happening now and this is a necessity for not only moving the technology forward but to have these developers make some more make their living by doing these new things yeah yeah yeah it doesn't mess I mean it matters but it in in this world it doesn't matter that whole ends came out first and that we saw extremely impressive demos of playing Minecraft on your coffee table it matters that now Apple is doing it because link to this point right Scott sine just wrote here Apple boasting this will be the largest AR platform the world which could make it soar and that's the thing right smartwatches although they haven't completely taken off who has sold the most amount of smartwatches Apple right and so that's all the most thank you Apple right so they're using that muscle that they have to to push this stuff out a little you know quote-unquote mainstream although again we are insulated by this tech bubble world we like seeing our expose this like three years ago that we like always yeah we're like whatever but it it makes it has ripples beyond just our little like bubble yeah this is interesting because if you think about like the other technologies in this space that are for consumers like google tango you need a specific fine yes and this is the the point is now anyone with an iPhone 7 plus I'm assuming this is the demo is on a 7 plus it looks like I'm assuming anything with two cameras is going to be capable of doing this which is it's not even going to be something that you need to think about all I need to buy a look a are enabled phone your own will be a are enabled as is yeah and so you have access to all this functionality whether or not you know it or not yeah and that's that's gonna be that's kind of going to be that killer feature that's why you know we are frustrated when Apple isn't the most innovative but the power there platform allows them to delay things hold them off and put them out the way they want and then sometimes push it forward like Apple pay out of all I don't know what the numbers are I know people aren't constantly you know doing mobile payments but if I see which one people are arguably the most comfortable with in their brand cachet name it's most likely Apple pay I know samsung pay is way more versatile works on my old school credit card terminals but I don't see or hear people talking about Samsung pay unless they're really into tech and then re that they're going to be able to use that what's your that is the best time yeah yeah yeah it's ironic because Samsung has the absolute best yes mobile payments highly you don't need the the credit card reader doesn't have to be compatible so it yeah you're right it's the power of the brand so now what's going to happen is because again this is a Developers Conference because developers know now they have an easy road to get there AR there VR apps out there to millions and millions of people that's who they're going to develop for true that they're showing some demo on on the stream now it looks like it kind of looks like some sort of game enact reenactment I think it's this is something about is this Peter Jackson's you production company yes we not AR they're doing a demo where they're basically laying down a 3d game map on it by the table moving around and watching the interactions there see like this is see why people's this is a moment where people brains can't be blood they're doing this through an iPad without a head gear right there this is another mind blowing this is it haven't seen AR before and they don't actually I'm actually quite surprised that Apple's called it AR because there's a lot of confusion about it you know it hasn't really crossed over as a term at the same time I think we would be making fun of them if they didn't call it a that's true I think it's expecting them to call it something oh how about they'll call they are they'll just call it Apple reality Apple reality all for Apple right don't blow your mind Apple reality oh man I have one single request I want tamagotchi to come back in AR tamagotchi was pretty happy that was pretty fun it brought out the worst in so many people yeah like serious like how much they care about a living I just like ritual water and diet like not clean it up not feed it and like I did that I'm a bad person obviously hey of Z cavariccis could come back tamagotchi come back oh my god with your Sims I want to live with my sins i'ma go outside to meet some people sharing I that's the best advice I can give to you right now should but I love you better people firstly hang out with a better world [Laughter] are they still showing off the demo right yeah looks like team cookies back on stage and then the actual demo is a little slower than our live blog so stream sir yes so check this out we're at 11:40 it's been an hour and 40 minutes into the keynote we got about roughly I don't know if they plan to make this at one end at 12:30 I don't know but a interesting ly enough at this time looks like Scott sign says iPad time now let's see let's see this iPad time you guys are honestly you guys are the biggest fans of tablets or not yes or no it's kind of just like a thing is that yeah it's it to me it's not a Productivity device it's like if I'm on a plane and I want to watch a movie and I know that they in flight experience is not gonna be satisfactory I'll bring a tablet oh that's pretty much the only time I'll ever have one on me yeah can I could I suggest you ladies into getting into reading comics alright I heard there are comics but you know who don't like necessarily yeah what hey I I think how about this real quick before we go on the iPad top 5 comics go well I could give you the top ten but comics don't have to be superhero based Marvel EDC comics there's independent stuff that it will blow your mind I read a lot of comics there's a lot of stuff in here but you don't don't think like why do I got to read about Superman like characters you've never heard of that have intricate grown-up mature stories that are like mind-blowing that's cool look up saga saga saga it's a night game of it from you actually I would I would if you would give it a shot I want to hear what you did you legit yeah yeah it's a mix of Star Wars meets Game of Thrones meets real me oh and Juliet Oh literally that up best way to mix that up yeah it's been out for now I think maybe six years but it's it's mind-blowing okay let's get back let's get this you know but for all y'all watching the UH Villette know saga from Image Comics Brian cave on Fiona staples Thapa cream of the crop right there but there's so many more this is not a comics podcast I've had protein to it iPad pro is weld you for a good upgrade Tim Cook says when we introduced the iPad pro just eighteen months ago it completely redefined what you can do with an iPad sorry about that dress um service Pro um anyways there's two models to buy today the 13-inch twelve point nine into nine point seven nine point seven is the most popular today today we're going to introduce an all new iPad pro thank you here we go mark it out ten point five inch Retina display is the first iPad pro they said with a ten point five inch Retina display looks like an iPad pro it weirdly um let me see here I think we're little oh yeah we're a little bit behind but you can tell there's another picture of each I'm up higher that's a black trim yeah you can tell the bezels there are significantly smaller and they're talking about how they're been able they've been able to reduce the borders while still keeping it at one pound is that how much it weighs currently um it's roughly roughly try to keep it around a pound okay I think when they wrote when they released the updated iPad like they kind of went backwards um that that iPad actually started way more like it was a nine point seven inch so they kind of went backwards it's like their cheapest most affordable iPad got it they've done a lot with the line which is very confusing and hard to just explain in five words which yeah tells you everything weighs just a pound it's the first iPad that can a full screen keyboard on the display as well as a smart keyboard I'm trying to figure out oh so you've got it's just a standard with keyboard right but then you still have your add-on physical keyboard it also looks like the keyboard yeah okay I mean twelve point nine inch had more than enough space for that so HDR we were talking about that earlier today is coming to the iPad pro excellent 600 nits of brightness um are they talking about all the iPads are just this they're talking about just a ten point nine ten point five inch would okay - yeah true tone display wide color gamut ultra low reflectivity so this is for looks like twelve point nine and ten point five is that correct I just need a they're showing two iPads there on screen yeah it looks like it I think those are the two ones but that looks the size difference of that image yeah they're talking about automatic basically they're bringing up the fact that the ten point five inch has the same display as the twelve point nine that's what that's what I'm gathering here they're not saying that they're releasing a brand new twelve point nine inch iPad pro yet all right so the pencil well it's not getting an update but it's being better supported with just 20 milliseconds latency you know that's a lot that's even better there they had a 50 millisecond latency which was best in the industry 20 milliseconds that's ridiculous that's pretty awesome actually it really feels almost like you are writing on paper like a pencil iPad you did it hold on we'll just wait for this product announcement to be finished then we'll go we go there well thank you know their role I have an iPad Oh God oh I pay a role okay that's all they're people um they this so there's a display enhancing technology called Pro motion all the motion all of your motion content on your screens will be smoother and more responsive so um promotion also assists the Apple pencil so this is basically recognizing how the screen works and that is 18 in the pencils 20 millisecond latency that's hot that is hot but again this is not anything interface changing its performance changing okay um well rhyme aches a good point he says here that Apple is focusing on 4k and HDR uh they're applying it to everything except for the Apple TV yeah that's September I'm going to bring up a crazy thought yes please give us an actual TV why not maybe that's what we're waiting for here well I think that man you much like Apple realized it was a little create a lot crazier to be ambitious about let's make our own car in a few years yeah which they completely scrapped then the dynamics of the TV industry although more similar to computers and monitors still not that easy just to jump in and just get into when you have a lot of these factories that have already manufacturing places that have already cut deals inventory levels with Samsung LG Sony F sharp they have a hard time getting glass for their iPhone exactly yeah so let alone getting panels for TVs so that it looks like this 10.5 inch will be powered by the a 10x chip 6 cores 12 cores EPU 30% faster cpu performance um let's see what else they have here graphics performance 500 times faster I don't know what they were comparing that any original I come on a full of course is gonna be a hotwife as possible just like natural progression technology 500 times they're gonna show off a pro at photo editing app called infinity photo Oh interest not infinity blade but an affinity for remember the game they always do baby blade we got infinity photo now visit I think this is um a third-party company yeah competitor ash Hewson of cereth okay is here to talk about a pro photo editing that sounds like a game of thrones name I mean if you're if you are into Lightroom or you know Photoshop whatever same company uh but it I think that over the past few years we've seen a lot more competitors in the space which makes me so happy yes at some point it's either you paid five hundred dollars or you didn't I just remember the first time I saw a third-party app that gave control over curves and levels I was like that wasn't that was not Photoshop it was like oh my gosh I'm not like I no longer tied into the addo yeah Chris system it was just so cool and yes almost as good as doing it on a desktop I mean come on yeah especially if you're all you're doing is editing it for Instagram web use seriously you know some people like and a lot of time doing that point I've got my own professional IG filter Pro oh yeah it's called Shauna she just takes my pictures spices alike she's my IG Pro it's like I don't got time to do this she's like oh wait Shelby I can tell when use a filter you need to customize it yeah if you can do yeah you can tell you can tell she's like oh you use the filter here let me do this and I'm like wow that really looks way better than mine you were probably still using like hefa from 2000 my god Brian that's the spirit X Pro - I thought that was the coolest filter when I first came I'm like oh my god it makes my photos look like dude yeah it's the worst filter ever I know when you look back at some of the photos investor Graham K Madeleine thank god this is interesting yeah we thought it was great I know but like it was so bad now there's now a hide tool seek an archival of like driving that one no it's like I want to keep it because it's like I made the sushi look like garbage with ex-pro to that because we had crappier yeah yeah green screens of crappy cameras so we took point moss the fact that it was such a bad photo in the first place make it look even worse yeah this is pretty crazy they're showing off with this app using again these are tools that a lot quite honestly not a lot of people are exposed to that's kind of the problem right like so what he's showing is how much like in Photoshop he's literally completely outlining Johnny Depp Jack Sparrow and a building this kind of Pirates of the Caribbean a la movie poster slash photoshopping slash image doing some interesting stuff with hair mapping and mas I don't know I'm a very trim I'm not gonna lie I'm a check out infinity photo once I get a new iPad after mine was stolen aka loss aka stolen still to be determined like my iPad pro and my pencil to the pencil oh it was all in the case that's my stuff you know I would if I was in tennis I got my ear pods stolen your your ear pods ear like yeah stolen from me yes uh you know at some point I was entering TSA security that's all I was exiting I don't know ma'am well when did you lose them and mark that's funny I found a pair of March you won all the way to the air just lost this it's called lost and found lost my ear pods guys I didn't honestly didn't even bother filing a report because I know someone snatched them and there's no lockdown on air pods yeah yeah yeah yeah yes I mean how can they um so they're so this cool infinity photo app I'm honestly would like to check it out available today they're also talking about battery claims and the cameras for this new 10.5 inch iPad pro a 12 megapixel camera rear 7 megapixel FaceTime front-facing camera we don't need a good camera on the back it's just gonna encourage people make cars we will take photos on the iPad oh stop wait please we've talked about this for years and it's not getting any better don't encourage view I don't I don't understand why a lot of companies use to take pictures you know let it like I went to the I went to the doctor the other day and the nurse like took a picture me for their for their records or whatever it's used an iPad yeah yeah did you so did you like you know they know I ain't having that company personal Oh sir uh can you give me Tim coughs here let me let me take the iPad pro while you do that weird weird awkward all right um ooh dongle time yes so here's one of the most unknown things about the iPad pro so they're talking about they're going to be supporting fast charging have great USB 3 charging charters if you buy this has happened with the original iPad pro you can buy a USB C charger and it charges the Apple iPad pro 2 half times faster but you see how to tip right there why did I I mean I've been looking out for like a year then like seriously but it does cost you but it literally charged it like boom otherwise you wait like six seven hours you're like this sucks slower process relining so yeah it supports the faster charging through the USB see connection but so that's actually they never that's yeah they never really promoted that they should that's the selling like they're not gonna give us wireless charging but they can give us fast charging lines or USB C on Android phones in the pixel come on they also surely they also surely won't bundle that with the iPad pro they gonna make you buy that and how much is that I think it was like AI think the kit with the cord and the charger I think it ends up being spent like 80 bucks you know it seriously spent about 70 80 bucks just to get that yeah come on plus the $100 pencil oh yeah plus the $5,000 iMac Pro come on so it so I'm I'm honestly confused here hmm because we're not watching this and I we can't hear this and this sounds dumb did they actually update the iPad pro 12 point 9 inch as well or they're just showing them side by side oh can we different it can anyone tweet me that the implication is that they're phasing it out that would be yes someone let us know can someone just tweet me I guess that there because they're showing the pricing of the ten point five inch they look like they're putting it side-by-side with the twelve point nine but are they doing anything different is the twelve point nine getting any is that actually a new twelve point nine yeah it's a few fresh with those features that yes okay about this how much a boy I need to know this immediately because I need a new iPad pro this is Hall that's this is basically completely purely selfish room there there's nothing that's purely selfish all right looks like there's some specific I I pad page speeches in iOS 11 here we go here we go whoa all right that app switcher is yeah I need a compatibility chart for iOS 11 here whoa okay okay so much like the desktop right you can see like a bird's eye view of your apps it looks like they're getting that with the app switcher drag-and-drop like our gentleman who called in is coming to the iPad nice I can drag images you can drag text it's a drag fest the traffic thanks Craig federighi and they have that new app that they quote unquote accidentally launched today called files it's a universal file system you can do nested folders spring loading this is very Mac this is very Mac OS type of stuff being brought to the iPad queue every Android owner ever like you suckers don't even have had this for ever really literally prefer Android day one pretty much uh you know one thing you guys have also had is multi-user support Oh like that Apple still refuses to do most likely to sell more iPads so jerk this is a D move we talked about this Beecham yeah yeah okay so it that's it's starting to feel a little bit more laptop like mm-hmm will is it good enough to replace a laptop not we don't know yet probably not I mean it's getting very close as a user who is a hardcore iPad pro user I'm happy to see this stuff but I don't think it anyone says I gotta get a iPad pro because of this exactly that's the thing because you're in the market for an iPad pro I mean you're not gonna go out and go well I'll buy this and then not buy a MacBook right you're not gonna be doing that you're gonna be going I need this and potentially a desktop or a laptop right it's not gonna be this is my one and only machine I mean that's the thing I got a spec it out because the surface pro has so many more options but it's also way more expensive because it is a laptop tablet hybrid it's you know you can get an entry-level twelve point nine inch iPad pro for around like eleven hundred you know if I was going to get a surface pro I'm not gonna buy the entry-level $14.99 one I want you know the faster processors I want more hard drive space and it ends up being like around twenty five hundred three thousand dollar machine for what I'd wanted that and that's also like a price consideration like yeah yeah it would really need to be my primary computer laptop if that's how much I was going to drop on it so getting closer though I mean they're obviously trying a little bit harder to compete with Microsoft Microsoft you know is this year more than ever is taking matters into its own hands a developer creating its own laptop so apples probably feeling the heat a little bit I mean I think it's again if you're a user of this stuff I think you're happy and I mean I'm happy when I look at this up but I still know the surface probe it's just so bad so so it is and the keyboard is so much better oh my gosh yes it is very tactile it's got great feedback on it the iPad pro keyboard is embarrassing yeah I'm sorry it's like you're like basically typing on this table mat yeah and it's like clunk it just feels dirty and I return this to it you don't I returned it right away and I was like you know I'll buy it and just to use it but I was like no this sucks this sucks I don't know I realistically though the people that are looking at this are most likely as we've said time time again already in the Apple acres yes they're not really even knowing that there is an alternative out there the surface variety and they're probably alike windows what's that I don't want to I don't like I've did Windows that's years and years ago I decided that Mac OS and iOS and that ecosystem is where I want to be and so why do I want to go back to Windows there's a lot of residual damage there I'm sure for people that kind of grew up with this and then they they're just like they've gone over to the Apple side and even though we know there's alternatives they don't even want to know because they're so tired Apple this isn't about acquiring new customers not saral this is about retaining and keeping that brand loyalty really valid yeah and making it very aspirational you know what I also when you talked about kind of like some damage from like previous generations what I find interesting is that my niece's who are 13 no 14 and turning 14 11 shout out to Jen and Calissa Olay yeah they're their generation is actually more impressed with what Google's doing yeah they talk about like Oh Google's way better at xyzt there I they say without me without me getting into their heads Apple's behind Google's doing cool stuff I think the Google pixels up cooler phone than the Apple iPhone right now and that's and I'm like is this just what you guys think are your friends saying this stuff and they're that younger generation thinks Google is but you know that those teeny Bob they think that Google's coolers doing more things now she still has an iPhone right right but she thinks that Google is actually doing better more exciting things and I wonder when you talk about that generational transition of oh there's going to be a generation that feels like Oh Apple just isn't innovating and other companies are it takes time to slide up but that that type of thinking will exist I mean we feel it all the time so yeah you know we're so funny because we old that's always saying I was like you know we're all because you've just dropped in teenyboppers as I do and they listening as a generational reference so you know everything it's so true the generational thing is huge I mean just look at the success of snapchat for example and you know for our generation you know I used to act out a lot but it's still confusing and I still don't think I 100% get it right whereas like I see people that are you know school age you know like early 20s just so naturally doing it I go out to concerts and I just see people using snapchat primarily and then switching over to Instagram yeah Facebook primarily going snapchat for us to share those immediate moments and then switch back to another platform even if I get it it doesn't mean I want to use it and I think that's partially a generational thing yes I totally get it but I don't want to use it it's all the time brands are - that's where the people are you want to communicate with ah like if everyone I knew was on snapchat i would use snapchat exclusively but then not well I mean I'm still using my space in a friend afraid you know Friendster yeah I might your top eight and why are you top a Brian come on I have to see I'll have to see the latest updates I'll have to check that and okay so Derek they're also talking about on the iPad pro uh marking up marking up like documents so this is a thing can you believe this is the thing where the iPad pro didn't have the capabilities to mark up right and they had a pencil like on launch so they're talking about that as well in the iPad pro there's also a built-in document scanner so goodbye to at least a dozen House that musing the camera basically using the camera that's boiling heaven or it it's goodbye all those Microsoft I mean I use PDFs can throw damn yeah they're all gotten really you say is that how they advertise it PDFs get a pro Oh quite the app sure PDFs got a prop trying to make something extremely boring really honest leave that out I don't want to check out this app but sometimes in these shows we come up with ad campaigns for companies indirectly they want to use it what are you using uh Lexi to scan your PDS I use PDFs can a pro you like for shizzle my nizzle it's like Snoop Dogg will be the actual face of that TV commercial fine I would jump on it you can thank Cena alive later all right guys everybody like yeah Snoop Dogg gets money out of it they get money out of it oh there's a new keyboard what called the flick keyboard mm-hmm did you also see this that their time out um I don't know it harkens back to the Newton there's basically a handwriting functionality that smooths out the curves that makes your hand that will help to make your handwriting more legible on the iPad pro I that's kind of cool yeah I want to say this in action my goal I was gonna why are we wanting to keep handwriting why don't we want to just convert straight to text I mean that there's things I mean I've already cold call me call me devil's advocate here but I don't quite know if if I'm gonna write somebody had I'm probably gonna write it true because they don't want to convert it to text there is evidence that handwriting helps you retain come into memory that's exactly what I wanted you to leave but we don't know if if you and also need it too you also need to be reading it back in your own handwriting yeah oh oh like the way you see it the way that you wrote it helps also in write in other words should they just convert it to type touch yeah well I mean I actually want to see my notes the same way I wrote them ya know I think about what I think about it yep when I want to search when I want to do a ctrl F you know when I want to find something quickly and I'm like I know I wrote it down somewhere but what page was that I don't remember I did I draw a star next to it like how hold up is OCR what if it's smart enough to well it when it reads it it actually underlined as the card is there to such like well then I'm interested I'm nothing like that new iPad those new iPad pro customers exactly you can have but you can replace what was that app called again sure what was it called you can replace you give you have Scanner Pro I love it I love it well yeah so Apple has also I mean if you've noticed been investing a lot in its Notes app it improved it so much so adding OCR which is something that Evernote has which means that you can search your handwritten documents would be huge please please that's something that it would make me excited yes it makes me interested in it I mean as an iPad pro user this is all pretty sweet yeah I'm doing um as a past hi a former sorry mama okay okay we don't we're not supposed to agree on everything I know the wound is still fresh but oh yeah I'm with you I love it but I love it I've had feel my face when I'm with you down send the house on fire yeah isn't it fun we have those to refer to yeah thanks for pulling right up and you guys were actually singing enjoying it not cringing this is this is progress last cringy when you were in that video I believe I think I was in the bossing somewhere yes yeah getting sloshed in the bar aka see that studio lots of apple juice apple juice was exchanged so uh they're summarizing up here right now we're really excited about what we're doing with the iPad this year and really excited about iOS 11 this year the files app was absolutely necessary for all of these new functions I mean you can handwrite and scan but not save these documents it would be ridiculous so I'm also just for doing the obvious thing I'm also I'm also just feeling like they have put they finally made it people at least are interested in the iPad pencil or the Apple pencil so confirm actually more worthwhile like it you pay 99 bucks for this stylus I mean pencil but it's like they actually added a lot of functionality that can help make it more useful as also the response of time is that's pretty much like you won't even feel that now yeah 20 milliseconds you're not going to reveal that just have a curiosity can you use a third-party stylus with the iPad pro not obviously to get a bunch of the same functionality but just for the basic tasks of drawing and sketching and things like that you can but it won't be nearly as precise so that um app gosh what was it the one that originally create open paper here they've had a stylus for years yeah I had a lot of jokes that I didn't want to go into so I'm just gonna leave that with you moving right on up there I just so many opportunities thoughtful and I want to be respectful some once in a while but I had to let you know that I wasn't gonna be respectful but that I chose to be respected in a way you just ruined it because he's not going oh you didn't hear the joke in fact trust me inside voice alright it looks like they're showing a video now of the iPad pro to my five inch promotional video people using it in public um and so we're gonna let them enjoy that okay one more thing what's up no I mean okay back on stage dynamo fee Oh oh man I need to change this video card out one last thing that's gonna be the next one last thing it's got to be the series speaker this got to be decision yeah what else is live they've been hinting out it the whole time exactly I said it's the biggest ever come on don't let us down Oh love you so turn our attention to music what listen you're getting your boom box yes yes beats boombox Eureka 499 series speaker yeah if it looked like a boom box that might actually be cool seriously this is really embarrassing sometimes it's cool sometimes it's not that alright um they're saying today the iPhone has become the best portable music player in the world it's even better when it's paired with Apple music really come on no sorry I shouldn't use those gestures here you now have 40 million songs in your pocket I can't help myself sometimes is ridiculous oh whatever music oh yeah we have such a great portable music experience but what about our home our home well here's what's interesting they're positioning it more as a music device right now not a smart speaker yeah as they intro this beats integration it's all about that right Apple knows the obvious which is that most people although many many more people are adopting smart home devices more people listen to music and honestly very good points when I have the Google home out even though it's sitting in my drawer now but when I did have it out it was really only to play music and listen write headlines news headlines on podcast is really the prime yeah okay and set timers and check the way they have music in podcast a today we have the technology so apple says a like we did with portable music we want to reinvent home music Phil Schiller's backup stage to talk about this I have some interesting points that we can follow up about this because Phil Schiller had some really interesting comments slamming both the echo and the home just a couple weeks ago in general so here we go let's let's hear what you did it again there are certainly a lot of companies hard at work making products to enjoy music at home but none of them have nailed it yet I mean if I would say Amazon would not call it a primary it's if it's about sound quality if it's about sound quality 100% agree yeah if it's about sound quality but is it there um so he said the team has been working on a breakthrough home speaker yeah remember one appaled released that big home speaker they did before it was like a three hundred dollar speaker it was an apple really it was a big one I can't remember the name of it I mean it was back in the old school days so oh it needs to rock the house free from distortion what am I telling you guys you rock the house it's gonna have this massive sub in it and it's gonna be able to rock but just just the bass does amaze just the face we don't need anything else in the music it's also they say secondly it needs to be spatially aware it's going to fit in different rooms in our home like every speaker yes every speaker ever made like a yeah like it can't be the size of my room third they say it needs a musicologist I'm sorry oh thank you a great degree that you can yet this means that dr. Dre and I mean I'm gonna come out and be like what's the professor where's that don't we need a toxicology you know guys we almost forgot about Dre we're we're we've been working on the speaker for the late for later this year but we wanted to give you a sneak peek of it this morning we're gonna start showing a video of the speaker close-up don't tell me it's just a promo teaser video Oh with something like covered okay hold on um we're gonna give it a few moments to see guys it has a name it's called Hong Kong Oh God Atlantica speaker it looks like the macro fabric-covered no no do I win the bingo Josh are you in the bingo of life that's amazing I recover oh no that look at the video is even showing the curves here it's it it's a suit it's like the UE you a boom yes well it is a broom I wonder how big it is right now it looks like the metal seven inches tall Oh sharra how about in a seamless mesh oh I'm still gonna try it out I ain't gonna lie I mean I might be alright though I want to try it I want to hear this so called sound quality is supposedly better yeah I want different colors that doesn't go with my you know with your way anybody they laid out they might offer later colors additionally later it has a sari here I'm gonna jump you it has a big woofer a four inch woofer that is forward-facing so better better deeper bass fuller sound as we turn up the volume it's free from distortion I thought they didn't even have one on on hand so how do they it's mine it's packed with speakers and microphones there is an a8 processor chip inside perhaps the biggest brain in a speaker I think that's a really cool point how they can use their older processors from their phones that can handle so much and put it in these you know I don't want to call a lower entry device but just maybe not a sophisticated device yeah but still have all that power that that is interesting that they can take all those returned iPhones in a but that shit's here recycle thi Bessie do you guys see any buns on it I haven't seen it yet yeah I mean this is great there's no mention of Syrian in it yet either is not not not yet way they're setting it up they've got talking about the microphones they're talking about you know echo cancellation things that are hopefully going to be useful for some sort of voice integration the thing the thing that I love is I just want to see everyone's you know because Twitter is a bunch of it's white-hot steaks that are just completely ridiculous oh there's white also I just can't wait to see what people are saying about the design cuz you know it's just like it says there murdered right now it's a joke as a joke oh I was gonna say because I actually think that of all the ways they could have gone this is not offensive that oh no I actually actually like it tonight it's it's subtle it's just that it looks you know like one of their products that is pretty much you know it looks like the Mac Pro so when and we've seen a lot of this actually historically an apple recently where their design yes to be cohesive with the message of what they've done the past right it's not I don't want to say risk-taking but it's not like you've when was the last ap product that you said that design is amazing I don't think we've seen anything like that just the iPhone problem right iPhone um let me think about oh the iMac that very thin I mean yeah that was that was good but you know so this just kind of stays in line with what they've had before it's it's cool I mean it's not it's hard to make something that's elegant but not ugly but still also neutral and generic I think especially for the home yeah exactly and like to their point and we're talking about a device that was going to be able to fit into any room in the house like I could see that in a bathroom I could see that in a kitchen and it's inoffensive and it doesn't look like an air freshener yes sitting renews it is that what the air freshener that the Google home looks like yeah like it it's straight up looks like a Glade plugin yeah oh yeah absolutely hmm I would say that of all the smart speaker designs that echo dot is probably my favorite but definitely does not have the sound quality yeah that it has the right right now it has the you know pretty tinny yeah but you have the ability to pull your tooth plug it in so it depends if your primary function if your primary use case for this is as a smart connected speaker then you're gonna probably want the dot unless they're going to come out and say I'm appliance yeah we saw heard that theory this is really interesting because based on the sensors it has and we'll see the thing is like okay how how much does this really matter I I guess it does matter a lot but we'll have to test it in different environments intelligently and automatically it detects the space it's in it uses that information to change the sound maybe whether it's high vaulted ceilings yeah sealians a more narrow space versus a wider open space or maybe there's things that could be obstructed I don't know it'll be interesting to see how that helps them it shoots and beams in different directions the audio so yeah it's room aware for space and sound they're saying if you love one you should see what it's like when you set up - hold on wait today is this a new technology we've never heard before that surround sound called Sonos he's like you could put one on your left side yeah one on your right side yeah technically that is stereo surround Oh surround 5.1 4.1 sound stereo 2.1 okay our two pointers don't don't hate on me all right man they are really focusing on the music so okay so here it is as you see those magic words haze Siri as you say those magic words hey Siri it can help serve up music so yes there is Siri yes there is a glowing top much like Google home or even Alexa although it's going to be a little bit more like that I go like EULA that looks cool that cool locks cool from the top it's like a no bun it's like an egg it's like a futuristic nest like with a blue egg in it you know so here's the question you know here's the question is it only for use with Apple music because that is implied alien songs - what's your ear playing it they're playing something to it yeah but not natively not natively saying hey Siri play me something something on Spotify this is like the Google Maps conundrum where it's like I don't want to use Apple Maps I don't use enjoy and I have a subscription I want to give you X amount of dollars for this speaker but I don't want to be again tied into an app that I don't like it doesn't have the music I want on it yep that glow that glowing thingy on the top does does look kind of fun but you'll never see it because it's on and it's integrated the third 8-bit but you won't actually see the glowing ring already it's like hey for eye candy guys I'm gonna show you this really cool glowing top you'll never see in person well and that that's why you know part of Google homes design is clever because it's slanted yeah so you can kind of glance across the room to make sure she's hearing they're also saying it has a great and hope helpful home assistant we talked about its music hook so you can say things like play this song by you know the normal stuff that were used to play beats 1 radio play I'm poppy so that stuff is there but they're talking about how it is also grateful and helpful as a home assistant we'll wait and see in a few moments how much it knows but like you said when the caller came in earlier about obviously there's going to be Philips integration typically we mow Belkin Wemo platform is one of the first ones that is compatible what are some of the other ones like Honeywell nest oh yeah those are some of the core guys are always there any cameras so it sounds like it's we don't know how limited or complete the Siri experience are you interested yep all of the features available so I'm going to guess home kit is also available from a brief look at that list it looks like it's pretty much the Syria that we know and don't love that much on the phone just accessible through the speaker yeah and Dan Ackerman makes a great point from CNET is it not the full Siri or is this just a list of predetermined skills that's unclear because they aren't talking about and again when we talk about a predetermined list think appletv predetermined list of what you can do not the full Siri yeah and so that that's interesting to see as well you can say are the lights on turn the temperature 273 degrees as they're kind of going through some of the smart stuff this is a screenshot that someone should take of all these kind of different commands that are on there text Erik meet me at the Kabuki theater at 7:00 is one of them set a three-minute timers on there how long will it take to drive to Tahoe so a lot of the stuff that were used to seeing but clearly integrated with your Apple ecosystem what we don't necessarily have is the power of Google so the reason why you know I think despite Alexa's integration with way more devices Google home as a day-to-day assistant is a lot more helpful because it has the knowledge graph of Google so Apple I mean man I I don't know how they'll make up for that gap in knowledge literally and it might take some time if they're rolling out you know a new AI platform and you smart write your own learning platform that takes time to build their own library of that stuff they can't just also just take what you know google has exactly been curious for god knows how many years so again it's like would you rather have a seamless integrated Apple home or would you rather sacrifice a little bit of that integration to have a more probably like innovative and advanced smarter speaker you know talking a lot about encryption um so it's never listening to you yeah you know when you're when you're not when when you haven't said hey Siri it's not listening to you all your the what you're saying is encrypted it's all local it looks like when they say local recognition I don't know how much is actually being sent and being processed by servers versus just specifically just by E of your device is private too so that's pretty cool home pod pricing 349 3 that's actually in me dad's now now I will argue that if this is truly like an amazing speaker true yeah then and that's how much you would be paying anyway touch the edge but really good Bluetooth speaker for example you would not find that out of the ordinary in the Bluetooth speaker market for a really good quality one but given the functionality with Siri appears at the moment to be somewhat limited yeah it's a lot of cash especially if you can get as you said Sharon a dot for like what don't litter your head oh well you can know every room a connector house and if you Ori yeah yeah and if you already have Bluetooth speakers lying around you can already hook them on yeah and get a better quality audio in it but you know what it is about making these smart speakers really easy to use and understand and for a family of Apple users I think it's hard to make the leap and figure out how their current devices integrate with Google more election totally it's just to know that oh it's all under one hood it's all in this ecosystem of it that I think we just can never you can never underestimate to make the power of an ecosystem you just can't and you know when when we look at this because we know the landscape of what's happening just generally in tech it always it always comes back to what your ecosystem oh yeah you know and so there there it is here as well just the power like there will be plenty of people that will buy this because they want it to work they want to know know that it's going to work here's a question though do you think the explanation that Apple has given it well basis based on what we've read in the blog do you think that was enough to make people understand what a connected speaker is compared to seeing a demo from the ads from Amazon and echo or the Google home for example well I think that's why they focused on it as a music player as a music yeah speaker which I mean that's that's actually a big gamble for them because they're really hoping that enough people want a connected music speaker right as opposed to just a smart assistant speaker at home and and then it's like oh and by the way Siri also works I think there's a gamble the big myths here that I'm really feeling and seen here WWDC is look they like you said they didn't they're not necessarily focusing on the smart aspects of Siri did we really learn that Siri is that much better than it was before today where we that's that's the biggest takeaway for me right now yeah that's the biggest opportunity for them to show us that like the virtual assistant artificial intelligence this is what our vision of it is moving forward there's there was nothing like oh my god but so we did get a few things just to touch on the new voice which we haven't heard yet maybe it's better and the conversation feature so you can continue the conversation but is she smart her but is she smart I don't think she is I died I again look I can't I always have two premises I can't make Siri okay I'm not that smart so people like do okay why don't you make a better Siri how many times I've heard crap like that what did you make an iPhone okay yeah why don't you make one you can't make one either you can't make one so again though that's at a Developers Conference that's the type of stuff that I thought I'd hear a little more because it tells you how much smarter is Apple's iPhone I think the most exciting at least from a moving forward thing is what they did with the iPad pro in iOS 11 I think those some of those features stand out the most but yeah I don't I don't think they made it exactly better at all well from a developer's standpoint as well like you're gonna see this new product this harm pod right and then you're going what do I do with this as a developer why I put it in my phone but I can't develop anything for it like what where is that that disconnect was huge for me yeah a Developers Conference where you're focusing on you know they're talking about things you know hardware improvements that are going to make things like VR or reality on Macs gaming discrete graphics things that are actually interesting to developers who are making applications for the platform and then you go I and here's something you can put in your house that you can't make anything for it right I think maybe it's very early for them yes it is and you know I'm never gonna complain when a company shows us shows us something early but again you know whether this home pod is that great or not I don't doubt that it's probably the best sounding home speaker cuz really the you know they're they aren't that great sounding yet I actually don't doubt that but again it's the brains underneath this stuff I don't I don't know if Apple got smarter there they are products company but man you just know when you see what every other company is doing from an AI standpoint I didn't feel like we're moving that much or the Apple didn't make that much of a jump that I was hoping for not enough to warrant this is the best WWDC ever this is the most stuff that we were ever going to show you I mean it is the most stuff yeah not maybe not the best stuff is this the best most stuff is that oh is that a best most yeah okay so it looks like apples wrapping up we're gonna keep the phone lines open let's just hang here for me like 15 20 minutes to talk a little bit talk a little bit of shop if you guys and gals want to call us I'm sorry there were some people that were waiting on the line the until keynote and finally gave up because it's hard I get it but you can call us the phone number there right there one eight eight eight nine hundred see and eighty two six three eight oh he's gonna take these calls hot oh we're going to take these calls hot so if you're calling just hang on but the lines are filling up we're gonna take about five and then we'll talk a little more wrap this up but welcome - here we go welcome to CNET live please tell us your name and where you're from and I know people that are calling and are wondering are they talking to you well I'm talking to you so just say hi hi yes who is this is Jim from Minnesota what's up Jim from Minnesota welcome to the show I'm guessing you saw the keynote along with us is that correct yes I did i watch the whole time with you guys yes you are a beast I love that uh so you called to talk listen let's hear what's on your mind I mean the key no just wrapped up wrapped up what sticks out things you liked just lay it on us um I kind of disappointed from a developer standpoint let us know why it's please um so I'm disappointed because I first I don't like the store because a lot of small developers won't get a chance to be noticed right away that's a huge thing for me because it is a huge selling point for Apple to market that product hunt is your new best friend yeah but like exactly speaking the Jim Lee exactly that's what the first thing I saw I'm like how our developers gonna get seen it's so much they've narrowed that that funnel that pipe I would it let's jump over to the home pod I'm the Mac Pro I'm sorry the home pod fabric Mac Pro what it would it as a developer I mean they didn't give us enough but what did you think of that um I didn't really I honestly I didn't like it that much I mean they obviously haven't spoke about giving any developers any development things to use I developed on the Amazon echo I um they let us you know have that right away and they said there's a bunch of different applications you can do this is the ecosystem this is how it's going to work and then they said something new is going to be coming very quickly following after which was really really nice with Apple I haven't heard anything from them obviously they don't even have the hardware in place right now they're just showing you what this is going to be but I don't think they're even making it currently I think they're going to make adjustments to it but honestly at home for personal use I'm using like what a $45 Amazon echo dot with a so nose play 5 generation to like that's all I need it can hear me across the room it plays amazing sound I just think that the price point this is currently set at it's just not worth it their their business here you the series a big thing they're basically just like wait wait if you haven't yet purchased a smart speaker wait for us we're coming to worry yeah the I mean Amazon has done a fantastic job with their AI like I can ask my echo dot a bunch of different things it can actually go out there can find things there's apps being made now where's the echo dot eventually is going to be able to you'll be able to like tell a wireless camera if you detect motion the echo dot will respond to you and say hey there's motion in this place it's going to work forward and backwards but right now you just have a list of things you can say to Siri and every single time you say something it didn't get that it didn't understand it's just really it's awful well this is a gym thanks so much we're going to jump through the calls but thanks so much for the inside I love your perspective as a developer you know it's funny when you're like oh they didn't really tell us much about Siri and it's you know how we can use it as a developer and we're like yeah it's a developers conference maybe maybe yeah I just want to be clear I I'm very excited for Apple to create its own smart speaker and enter the race for sure it's a matter of like it's the context of the show and and the amount of catching up or not catching up they did during that announcement so in and calling it a music just basically a speaker but you were okay with that one they fir cuz of the positioning of it right no I understand it from a business perspective why they would do that that makes sense but it's not we know that we as tech experts know that that's not what they're creating here they are creating a smart speaker so yeah it must have been very disappointing for developer is to not get access to it yes and they will eventually have one quick question yes you got to cut you out go ahead I just wanted to know to everybody who's listening do you think Apple had a wall of just random names that they threw darts at when they named all their products uh-huh it's well well well first of all you know that first of all the dart wall there's half of the room that all had eyes on it okay like I blank I this and then and then the other in naming that home pod the other half just had pot at the end because they're like well the iPod is our history it's our music product we have to keep the pod somehow in there that's not a pod that's a speaker but okay we'll call it a pod and then they had all these other names on it right but let's let's all get guess a sound pod was probably one of them music pod boombox smart pot Jim you want to throw your name in the head you want to throw out a name with pot at the end ooh I would just say the pod pod pod Quattro I have a prole I have a pod oh wait why am i doing yes catchy hey it's engrained in hey Jim thanks so much for calling we appreciate that all right and thanks for watching awesome all right we're gonna jump over again we're gonna kind of keep on getting through some of these calls and just see where you guys are at I'm gonna take on this call welcome to the show name where you're from and let us know what you want to talk about what's up brother what's up hey ladies hi hello who's this how are you doing oh I'm just talking about that home power situation yeah child through a throwback vessel you know how we used to have phone calls all right Amazon is doing the same thing everybody is doing right back to the 90s that's always going on right now the grace time is a really nice nineties kids are running things right now oh it's true ya know what's happening was truly happening is that they're really really trying to introduce something because what's happening is on dock Podcast on that situation what they trying to do is like grat learn you know machine learning trying to grab people in so they can analyze everything we're going on first and about 325 is it 325 three here that 349 price range is for people that can afford that range yep that they can do a lot of learn machine learning and all that type of situation right now for that stuff that's what they're trying to accomplish right now all right doc their main goal yeah are you a customer are you someone that how does how about this does that appeal to you or not you know as a consumer whether your application or not you saw what they just announced does that product right now as it stands appeal to you like would you buy it or you're more on the fence or you're like no no it's not that I won't buy it is just that it appeals for somebody that is looking for more towards you know somebody is you know certain amount of income and they're looking for either flexibility they're looking for you know somebody that can basically touch you know like alright I could just talk to my speaker I'm good just kind of like the Amazon echo yeah but the Amazon echo has a learning and I think they throw in they have some form of more machine learning then you know and apples trying to get into it but they haven't there's a lot of they have a lot of wealth and they people are aware of that of their wealth and that's what's happening and they're going into that motion of saying we have to first introduce the audio aspect and the microphone inside the speaker itself for the whole pie and that's the first thing they need to do in order to get the you know the machine learning first yeah well you know what density but you guys know you guys are aware of it yeah we and we'll see we'll see where it goes I think that thanks so much for calling I think it's it's a great point of like yeah Apple prices it at a certain point specifically because they try to cater to a specific audience purely based on their price point they've always done that quite honestly they've been a little more um actually more competitive in general but still not you know competitive what the rest of the market is putting out there so I you know even there Apple watch they drop the price you know to make it a little more affordable I think what is it at 229 which I think the Apple watch - 248 launching the original one came out of like 349 and I'm like and that's like come on are you serious and so they're aware of it but at the same time when a new product and it's a new platform that comes out they like to price it high they like to appeal to basically their high-end users which tend to have more disposable income and they're they're not they're not bashful about at all they've never been so thanks for calling we appreciate that I'm gonna take in the next line welcome to seeing that live this is Brian Sharon and Lexi welcome to show what's up where you what's your name are you from hey I'm Justin I'm actually from Canada Oh Canada what up Justin welcome to the show when you want to talk about um I don't want to say some real quick I was actually really disappointed with majority of the show i I thought there would have been a whole bunch of updates to the OS there was barely anything for developers there's barely anything for consumers Maps barely even has showcase yeah I agree with you you know when we were talking about earlier in the show they were speeding 3-2 through things that felt like they were speeding through things it was and we knew that they had a lot to announce it felt like they were showing off a few features that consumers like you mean might might or might not care about but it didn't cater to the developers and I'm not asking them to get into a nitty gritty like session about Swift and coding and and whatnot but I don't know if they and maybe these workshops on the side a lot of times after the keynote it's the workshops that happened behind the scenes that appealed to developers and teach them about these hooks I don't know if that's going to answer any questions specifically about the home pod they're there I'm most like it will not have any type of workshops off the side about the home pod you know and when there's new hardware you want to know how you can develop for it are you I I'm an iPad pro user did you like any of that stuff they were showing off with a pencil you're like it just not for me because you don't use an iPad pro um personally I don't use the pen myself but one thing that stood out for me is that I absolutely loved with or filing system mm-hmm and again that was the only thing that really stood out for me really all right well I think that we can count your vote as a disappointed WWDC keynote viewer is that correct that is absolutely correct all right thanks so much for college as we appreciate all right thank you I'll be sure some thank you okay we're gonna jump in here let's try and get this call here welcome to see that live welcome to the crew you're on what's up hello hey yeah I'm fine hello what's your name where you from yeah I'm come on yeah my name is Antone Colin vapor yeah I'm calling from India Bangalore India Wow also if you turn the volume on your computer down and just talk to us through the phone then you'll be able to talk to us like real-time what do you want to talk about after this kena so I'm talking about a consumer point of view it's a real disappointing for me as I was really expecting a lot more changes in the is 11 as it marks the 10th at it marks a tenth anniversary for applo so I was expecting a lot of changes in a and again to face in iOS 11 oh you wanted to see maybe a new design yeah a new design a new interface does a lot there was a huge rumor of dark mode and yes yes many many people are waiting for dark mode but it didn't came out so I was actually waiting for dark mode till the last moment but it didn't came out so that's real disappointing and and of course new new interface new new iPhone design because it's basically the same same interface since six to seven years now and there's not a huge and there's not there's not huge amount of changes it has been done yet so I was thinking about some new overall new changes but settings came out there's a very very little change that has been done from iOS 10 511 so that's the thing they're talking about the VAR project and so those things are also a little is similar to the project tango and the proactive theory thing is also similar to Google now that is now two years old thing so it is not anything that much noon is apart from the MacBook Pro and all but there's nothing on new innovative tech innovative what about what about the $4,999 ironman a crier I mean can't we all get around that can't we all just dig into our wallets and just come up with 4900 honestly I think that for video AR VR professionals I would think that this show is very exciting for them they're you know so but for the general consumer base besides a smart speaker I think you made some great points there I mean talking about kind of the interface design and the lack of options that we've been thinking about wanting a lot for a long time such as dark mode I mean I mean just interested to know like urine I'm assuming you're tied into the Apple ecosystem quite deeply like is this making you more or less excited for an upcoming hardware release like the iPhone later on this year are you going to be thinking about upgrading knowing that it's gonna look like iOS 11 except the outsides gonna be different well actually he would answer if I didn't accidentally drop this whole time I don't want to interrupt you I wanted you to continue on with the question and then I would break the news to you the next so um we're sorry but yeah so he won't be angry no that's an email and on and on that note yeah on that note everybody uh we have to run there are so many more you guys that guys and gals that called we're sorry that we can't get all the lines are still full but we're going to wrap things up here at Cena live make sure you go to our break downs we have people inside the WWDC keynote that will have first looks at videos of whatever they're showing us over there maybe there's a home pod behind glass I don't think it's behind glass I can see people tweeting they touch it is also stations for some video you I don't even know so anyways thank you all for joining us again we'll be here next time for the next keynote whenever that is but uh if everyone just want to say goodbye t the peace bye my friends thank you for watching thanks for watching us be tomé see you guys later it was a blast alright again take care of cnet.com we'll see y'all next time be safe