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Apple's iPad Pro and Mac 2018 live event

2018-10-30
you you you you you everybody and good morning welcome to CNET live brought to you live Italy on this Tuesday morning from the CNET studios in San Francisco my name is Lexi savita's it's so great to have your company we are gonna be talking all things Apple for the next I guess couple of hours we don't really know how long this event is gonna be but you're gonna stick with us hopefully and and get to know everything about the new iPads the new back books at least that's what we're expecting anyway but there's so much to talk about so many rumors to jump into before we get started I want to introduce the wonderful panel I have the CNET live crew coming to you live here from San Francisco are we awake Patrick Holland yeah and awake oh good oh well that was a very dramatic tent I love it I did that's not coffee in that turn I can't act okay now next up we have Vanessa hand Oriana it's very early it is well it was 6 a.m. it's 6:30 a.m. on the west coast it is 9:30 on the East Coast and that is where the event is happening but also Stephen btrim the man with a magic present and coming to us live from LA ashley is together I know not enough coffee in the world that's what I say uh well we're gonna be coming to you very shortly Ashley and if you have questions about what we're gonna see today at the Apple event you can tweet us on the hashtag CNET live and we will also have a little bit of a fun game that we can play along too I'll tell you about that in a little bit but first up let's cross live to the exterior of the Brooklyn Academy of Music this is a live shot this is coming to you from Brooklyn so the event is about 30 minutes from now it is happening and like a different event from Apple's usual West Coast Fair this is the Brooklyn Academy of Music the Howard Gilman Opera House sounds very fun little bit of the of the Apple events in San Francisco that were held that the kids called the Brooklyn Academy music BAM whatever is actually the second event that Apple has held outside of the I guess the West Coast this year Chicago was the first one the ipad event earlier in March Midwest Lexie Midwest Midwest and well is not Chicago's okay I mean I'm like I'm not American but I think my geography says that it's not you would be totally right there oh yeah well there we go so that is the live shot of xt area and we have our scenic crew inside the Brooklyn Academy of Music the event is kicking off as I said 30 minutes from now or just under 26 minutes to be exact and we will be talking all throughout the livestream just a little bit of housekeeping though we are not allowed to restream the livestream from Apple so no one is actually allowed to so anyone saying they can is not doing the right thing so we're gonna be talking all the way through it we are gonna have the live blog which is traditionally a couple minutes faster if not you know at least a minute or so faster than the actual live stream itself don't send them away no but we're gonna be talking through it and I want to suggest that if you're watching it alongside with us keep us open in one window open the official apple stream in the other and in will keep you company because I'm sure there's gonna be bits of it it's just gonna be like I'm gonna swap back and see what we're talking about cuz we're gonna be so much more fun ladies that sounds like a great protip hashtag also you we can even narrate as they go along in the Australian accent can you like pretend to be Donnie I for us and just give us that gist is English the spike of traffic this year I think it was only a month ago I guess it was September wasn't it I don't know where this year is going it's going pretty fast so anyway like that event earlier this year we know a lot about what to expect today there are a lot of rumors flying around and we know iPads MacBooks but there might be some other surprises in store so I had a little bit of a game that I wanted to play and you can definitely play along with us so if you go to the you are that is I don't know if we can pull it up on screen Beit Shean but it's a tiny dot c c /c net scorecard so that is where you can download this very sophisticated image that i made very sophisticated indeed i think i should have been a graphic designer in another life don't you think yes no so you can download this image from from tiny dot c c /c net school card and then we are gonna go through well vanessa is actually gonna go through seeing as she is our apple expert from the apple core she's gonna run through some of the top rumors and we're all gonna fill in the scorecard before the event starts and then we're not allowed to touch it and then when the keynote ends we're gonna come back and we're gonna see how many we actually got right and how many we we didn't get so right so if you want to fill it in with us please have a long to that URL print it off or you can be old school and well not really old school new school actually and write it in a Word document whatever you want to do Oh anyway sorry I have a question could I just use a piece of paper that is not downloaded I think that's a good or early morning I don't want to download and hook up my printer miss Lexi I'm sorry about that anyway so this is the school cut anyway so we're gonna all fill it out and we're all going to get Vanessa to run through the top rumors Ashley in LA have you got a score card are you ready to play along because I want it I want to see your predictions here too so I have a few predictions obviously I did not print out a score card because what our printers touche crying right now actually it made LexA cry like I actually feel the same way as one of our first tweets if we want to pull that up because I'm like pretty excited about it's from Sahil and he says when's the event and are we finally talking bezel-less ipads and for me that's not in the name of the game right like well I want my I want my edge-to-edge iPhone 10s esque iPad so that's that's what I want is it gonna be the iPad 10 are they just gonna go with the X I don't know but I really want that nice OLED iPad that's that's what I'm looking forward to oh I love it okay well let's let's keep tabs on that so Ashley is thinking the iPad X or variant because she wants the bezel the screen it's coming in on the tweets too but Vanessa let's go through some of the top rumors and um we're gonna write down exactly what we want I mean I know exactly what I want number one on my list because I say it every single year it is a MacBook Air with Retina but I could have to decide what size screen it's gonna be anyway run through the rumors ladies and gentlemen here are your options number one I'm actually gonna go through the rumors from probably most likely to least likely so I'm kind of giving you a hint over here not that I know what's gonna be announced today but the number one rumor and Ashley already mentioned this is the iPad there have been multiple leaks including a couple in the actual code of iOS 12.1 that show that little icon with no bezels that bezel is iPad as Ashley mentioned no home button the downside of this is that it could potentially be an liquid LCD Retina like what we saw on the iPhone 10 R so that's kind of TBD I'm hoping it's an OLED like Alice really said could there be like a deal with the iPhone where there's like the O LED one imeem maybe they'll save the the OLED for the twelve point nine inch because there's two versions coming according to the rumours a twelve point nine and an eleven inch now these will probably have similar footprints to the existing ones except for the twelve point nine and will actually be smaller than the existing twelve point nine because of that bezel is screen obviously so the other rumor about this which could a lot of fans know headphone jack guys I don't kill the messenger T's you know everything well I don't know everything well I had I do so those are those are the rumors for the iPad I'm so thinking that's gonna happen so OLED screens are expensive I'm doing yeah sure a 12 inch like that I think that on its own is gonna kill that I think it it can't be yeah OLED production like go down in terms of cost significantly unless we're talking about a two thousand dollar iPad well I mean in that case it would be iPad pro brought to you by Samsung OLED screen you know because you know Apple doesn't make that OLED screen so that's that's TBD but the other thing that might be a redeeming quality I don't know it depends on how you look at this no not no not then how is the face ID and module gonna work in the true depth camera because I'm magic I'm kidding no it would cut before it would probably cut you know at the not so it would have a slightly thicker bezel and just wouldn't cut around the not you know what I'm saying interesting like thicker than like a knife I can draw it to you now that I have a pen and paper they have like a little more real estate inside yeah that's true I mean I'm thinking it'll still have a little bit of a thicker bezel to make room for that camera and they just avoided the knotch because if I mean if you're looking at media which you're probably are on an iPad it's probably a little bit more intrusive on an iPad then on an iPhone well I would think to like the bezels even if you're going for bezel is want to have a little something because otherwise you're gonna be like just touching the screen all the time hardly different form factor in an entirely different use case to how we use our phones so if there isn't a bezel I mean there's gonna be so much how do we grab launching when you don't want I have a K something together mass hysteria I've like this monster case on my iPad never actually touched the screen you know it's like these big rounded edges it's like is there gonna be another case or another keyboard because it seems like they've always reiterate another version of the keyboard and that's another rumor the the keyboard connector might be in a different spot this time Oh the keyboard might be like when vertically be right above the lightning lightning connector which could also be a USBC that'd be like yeah like a old-school like callback because the original iPad had that crazy keyboard stand and it would dock vertically yeah I didn't know that I wasn't alive back then Patrick we have the iPad what do you think about lightning cable versus USB see though just before my home I really quickly like well this is a tough one I think I know Patrick is bursting one second if they go you if Apple goes USB see then that's kind of a sign that the Lightning is dead and going low and right okay there's a whole thing called an iPhone no I think what it means is this maybe for an iPad to have us PC is now just pushing it more towards it being considered like on the level the laptop you know and have that connectivity so I think that's it I think it's less about killing the lightning permanently and more that's about it on the iPad allowing more functionality like you what a computer like you would have microservice like so many times that people have been going oh maybe maybe iOS and Mac OS are gonna come closer together that's not gonna happen I think yes we've seen yet well yet yeah they have hinted at it it's just not like I don't know oh no no but I mean that you'd be laying the foundation for that and you know you started on the iPad and think about how technology that comes from the iPad works the iPhone and the iPhone works the iPad so I think that's there it's not to say the Lightning will always be on the phone but I think right now you're not gonna see that lightning going anywhere on the phone but on the iPad and every year we we get into this discussion does the I can the iPad replace a laptop computer and the answer so far has been no and maybe as you mentioned the the USB CD plus dung-geul dung-geul dung-geul dung-geul dung-geul sorry I'm in this tablet an actual laser I will just close publicly and I'm not embarrassed but I've been living off an iPad for about three knife years as my main Drive I know mental music for a lot of people there it is there's still that gap between it being something that can be your main computer your main your main use whether for consuming things for typing for all that and I think having that connectivity is great and who is one of the companies behind the USB C standard I don't know tell us a lot to explore here on the iPad let's move on to the next yeah we next product let's go through quickly because I also wanted all right fine back to the C net live hashtag for the questions so Ashley's gonna fill us in on that in a minute so I'll just give a brief rundown note that the next as you mentioned Lexi this is gonna be hopefully the year where you finally get your MacBook Air and whether or not it's called a MacBook Air sequel we're not sure about that it is gonna be it is rumored to be a cheaper MacBook with a 13 inch or 12 inch display we're not sure about that and pretty much gonna look like the new form factor of all the different all the new MacBooks so just slimmer bezels potentially that touch ID support and Retina screen time the downside is it may cost not 999 dollars but but also that might be like maybe 900 is the base level in the 1200 is the higher level of which case you jump up to that MacBook I have the feeling just because it's been so many years since the original iPad I sorry ah MacBook Air launch that I have the feeling that it's gonna be very hard for them to put the price point at the same level as four years ago so or however many years ago I mean I'm too young to remember no MacBook Air when it launched it was like and then it came down significantly but also the design never really changed substantially so the cost of production came down to and the other thing is ok if there is this MacBook Air which I am so hopeful for because that is the you know the unicorn right the MacBook Air with a ret Retina screen do you think it's just one USB see on it or do you think they'll put two you're like begging for they play with like the iPhone 10 hour color stuff - right do you think we'd do something like that yeah I'm here guys boring color like I went exciting and predictable Android gold no because did you see the gold the original gold MacBook in a form factor when that came out a couple years ago didn't really do it for me drop color Lexie Lexi's holding out for the coral I hear she's a real fan of the coral anyway I decided my list of - so Mac Mini is also rumored to make it to show up at this event upgraded storage upgraded processor more expensive also the rumor so that's another bummer so that those three are the ones that are most heavily rumored at this point now I'm gonna keep going but as I go down the list just know that these are less and less likely so the next one that's really cool it's been so long and it's the original ass we have a monitor you have a keyboard plug it in so even if it is slightly more expensive but had like say like the 15-inch MacBook Pro internals the MacBook Pro internals I think that would be so sweet even if it was like 1213 or dollars whoa whoa Pat hey I'm just saying because I'm getting in and I can plug it into my monitor I can plug into my keyboard or use bluetooth and I'm off and that would have them that would be sweet I mean maybe like $8.99 oh of course okay I'm gonna go yeah I mean the current Mac Mini is what $4.99 is not being upgraded II know why many many many many many many many years okay so all right those are that I want to cross quickly to Ashley in LA cuz she's gonna own the seen it live on the Twitter's and there are a couple questions I'm sure that have come through Ashley what is uh what else is happening on seeing it live where's her audio there's Tommy from from Twitter says sweet an Apple event today plus C net live show what's even more awesome is the amazing vane had absolutely fantastic Lex Ian great trick Holland are hosting today what a beautiful team the show later today really excited so thanks that was just really nice and I felt like we needed it to you know really just love it need a nice compliment to start kick off the day and then as you guys were talking about iPads we had a tweet from Hamza and Hamza says I have an iPad third gen so I might upgrade if the new iPads are good and I think a lot of people are in that position right like there are a lot of folks out there with kind of older iPads or you know because you don't upgrade your iPad the way you would an iPhone so I think a lot of people are really kind of eyeballing those new iPads and hoping that they are good that's a great point because I think a lot of people with iPads it's like a device that you don't necessarily need to upgrade constant up great constantly like you have enough iOS 12 updates coming through to keep it fresh or at least the interface and some of the functionality but when it comes to the actual hardware it's like unless you are mr. Patrick Olin who's using it as your main grunt machine you don't need that much extra I guess hardware capacity in terms of like the processor at least that's what I'm thinking because most people tablets are a Leanback experience and something that they can use to complement you know their main daily driver which is the phone or even the laptop it's not the primary machine so the incentive to upgrade is a lot lower so I think a lot of people are coming from like those third generations even the first generation iPad I'm pretty sure mines four years old it's like the first no I think I have this maybe the first or second gen though but it stopped upgrading that's the only problem oh yeah yeah while I upgrades but definitely definitely a good year to upgrade this would this would be the year should we keep going now so we can finish our little list but so we mentioned Mac Mini and then there's another potential for new iMacs as well this is a potential iMacs the other product that were maybe gonna see this event but I don't think it's gonna that likely is a cheaper home pod that's been a rumored as well to compete with the with the Google home Mini and the Amazon echo dot would it be called like the home pod mate or company and they might a-10s the instead of - the sorry instead of Mac's it could be the home pod - I know I definitely yeah we all do let's cross live we have Scott Stein live on the phone he is in the Brooklyn Music Center I forgot the official name of it i man damn right Brooklyn Academy of Music oh it's dark and moody what's what's going on in the dock and Mooney BAM I consider next to me very nice the the venue looks very very formal it is like a concert hall inside but you haven't been living around here maybe you didn't but I hope they've this like show a Robert Wilson play as opposed to an Apple event so Scott just quickly we've been running down a lot of the we've been running down a lot of the rumors but on your wish list what's the top what's the top thing that you're looking for today for the iPad to figure out what it's going to be and maybe that's something that I don't want it to be but maybe something other people do the iPad pro debuting alongside new Macs is it something that's going to feel a little more surface like a little more Chromebook like where are they gonna keep leaning towards it as a super art tool and and all that stuff are they gonna have a new type of keep it's gonna run software that subtitles more it's gonna feel more like an accessory we're in a dips a little option to the Mac I mean also a short retina MacBook Air I would argue that maybe that already exists but maybe we're gonna see it in a different variation different price you know I think I think to me sure there are a lot of Mac's I'm speaking like that size right here but I would say that it's the difference between the Mac and iPads that's the part that I want to see resolved or discussed sounds good and just quickly one of the what is the over end on the air pods to because I want to see that photo of you done with the second version of the airport's I want to see that photo again I mean new ear pods that this event would seem pretty random to me there's a story between Max and iPads and creation and stuff and err poxy more of a mobile story but you never know I would still feel like that would come out obv alongside a phone or a watch but you just never know there's a wild card but I'll tell you rather see a bunch of interesting and useful iPad accessories than air pods - all right it sounds good I think there's about four minutes to go before the events starts in this so I'll leave you to it thank you so much for calling in Scott I hope you enjoy the event and you get that wild card that you're hoping for I'm crossing my fingers for you all right that is Scott Steiner nning us live from the Brooklyn Academy of Music signing off that's Apple event around this time a tweet went up by a certain CEO do you think we're seeing shenanigans all scrambling because Tim Cook guest pool to the wool over our eyes and tweeted what was something like no I don't have it or something get here it was a prank to do with the opening keynote I didn't think something like that's gonna happen again is it probably nothing I can do the same thing with anyway so Scott mentioned a couple of the other rumors which was there were and you mentioned Alexa the air pod a sequel so I don't think we were getting a sequel but there could be that Airport wireless charging case that we were teased about a year and a half ago so I'm personally hoping for that Airport wireless charging case but of course alongside that would only make sense if they launch that mysterious air power mat that has since disappeared I and I left it at the very end because again I'm not very hopeful it's so sad because I think a lot of people were hoping to get rid of so many cables and be able to charge 3d devices at the same time so the air pod charging case and that power mat I think are the last two - and and sorry and I forgot the Apple pencil that's probably like he said like Scott said it's very likely that they launched a new Apple pencil alongside the new iPads so that's your room what if they okay so if they have these iPads you're good to want to have a smart case and what if they just built the wireless charging pad into the smart case it's really dark for Patrick I think it's also really interesting to me that if they do an update to that what that would be like or if there would be in a different model the Apple pencil we have a lot to talk about I think we do want to talk about it in a second but this is my school card so far and you can say that applets too is there it's not gonna happen I know yeah I know it's not gonna happen so I'm talking about hopefully I know I'm going MacBook Air written a 12 news 13 you should have added the price right there just because you're feeling lucky the reason why I say 12 inches because of the existing MacBook form factor with this slimmer MacBook is already the 12 inch I believe so I think that having a 13-inch is probably something they're gonna keep for the MacBook Pro range because that's kind of like a form factor that it's being used there so I'm going 12 inch I don't know I think I'm gonna be totally wrong but that's that's half the fun iPad with an eye the iPhone se design because that was one of their rumors as well that it was gonna have those bezels and like a little bit more of a rather than that smoother sleek look it's gonna go back to the iPhone se and the iPhone 5 or the original iPad oh the original iPad well the original iPad wasn't it wasn't the same kind of like flat edge so I like that I think that would be good the Mac Mini in the airport's - what about you guys what's on your list right I have the MacBook Air Rudy I don't know like what it'll be but I hopefully it will be a new screen or something like that okay Mac Mini I'm just hopeful because like that's a great computer it's been so long an iPad slim like whether that means like slim bezels they're not gonna announce this but if they mention it I will be happy this dimension of where that MacPro is that because i think again we're at an event that we're talking about lots of creativity is going on there with the music and theatre and film and stuff like that so it's it seemed natural that product your toward creative something like a Mac Pro mic might gonna mention especially through the Mac Mini well that's the thing in because the Mac Pro I mean we know from Apple that it's something is coming in 2019 and it would lovely it would be lovely to see I guess because Apple is being criticized for a long time for not catering to its kind of core market of like creatives and people that empower users and so it's sad like time and time again yes the Mac Pro it's coming in evolution so maybe I think you're right a sneak peek of what's to come however that being said it is 7 a.m. Pacific which is 10 a.m. Eastern and the event is starting now the Apple livestream is commenced we are gonna be talking throughout the livestream we are not allowed to rebroadcast the stream as it's happening no one is so I suggest you keep us open in one tab open up the Apple livestream in another and we'll be talking all the way through it will be going off our live blog which is being filled in on the ground by Shara Scott and Dan Ackerman they are all there at the Brooklyn Academy of Music and pretty much the live blog is generally like maybe 30 seconds to a minute faster than the actual live stream so I highly recommend you follow along with us there and keep the Apple official stream open in another window and you can swap back and forth as things get you know it's something that maybe that you're not to be interested in you come back to us and you know turn up the volume and listen to us and then you can dive back in as you need but we'll keep you updated as it happens so there's a lot of cheering now on the stage as Tim Cook is taken to the stage they've had a little bit of I guess a attributes to New York in the opening keynote video and the cheering is still going on as a lot of what is it what has been happening over the past I guess couple a couple of months apart from iPhone that Tim Cook's actually come out and being quite vocal in a lot of the issues at least on Twitter has come out and being very vocal about many of the world events and and things like that so I guess there's a lot of cheering there in the crowd but that also just there there are just worth noting a lot of Apple employees at these events technically they are being celery I mean as someone who used to work for that company yes it is like your hands hurt by the indicator we didn't I also think like recently had those comments about again as Apple always leads on privacy and that and that's always seemed for some of us it seems like of course we want that but if that's going to hold innovation like Siri and other things back then is there is there a middle road the Apple takes but it's need to see Tim Cook especially speaking out on privacy and maybe in lieu in light of Facebook yes and companies that have had privacy snafus this year I'm sorry he's starting off by it the Mac the Mac is the first first cab off the rank as they say the Mac was the first computer design for creativity and it's become one of the world's most essential tools sorry that is been happening right now on the stage and we're gonna see new Macs obviously but is it gonna be in the air is it gonna be or an iMac or a meteor or my knee all right all right guys Lexie what are we gonna see right now we're gonna see a MacBook Air MacBook Air I don't think it's gonna be called a MacBook Air I don't um are though it's such that's than that name itself means so much better if they would just throw that no they can't but on the flip side I also think I mean we're hopeful that there's some Mac Mini news so maybe I don't know do you lead off with the thing people want or do you kind of tease them with something like I like little impersonations here I'm not sure who you're trying to impress that says meet tired I grew up in the South Bay beat up my southern accent when it comes back when I'm tired can you breathe it I love it I love it so there's a there's a video playing about all of people using Mac's so you know the here's the thing about the Mac's that I hope that they address is that the keyboard because obviously there's been a lot of issues with the butterfly keyboard yeah and the MacBook Air doesn't have the butterfly keyboard it has that classic traditional keyboard design and keyboard mechanism so I'm interested to see if if Apple's gonna address this in any way they've obviously done a couple of replacements for faulty butterfly keyboards that was a couple of months ago that was announced so are they gonna stick with the traditional design are they gonna mention that it's a new and improved butterfly maybe maybe it's called a math keyboard wave or the meme the the the new MacBooks that were not the MacBook Pros that were notes this year addressed the problem without actually addressing the problem because it's very rare that Apple actually comes out and says that they that they made a mistake and so the pneuma they never addressed the the faulty butterfly keyboards per se but they did come out with the new MacBook Pros which had kind of like a thin lining below the keyboard I fix it kind of did the teardown and they discovered this little silicon lining that would actually prevent the prob what of the biggest problems which was that debris was falling between the keys and making them stick so have you have either of you experienced anything with that with a newer Mac I so I've been using the MacBook Pro with the touch ba which not all of them good in fact pretty much we're gonna do a whole yeah that touch pop but I haven't experienced any issues yet with a butterfly keyboard that being said it is incredibly loud and last Apple of it when I was in Chicago I was sitting next to Shara and she was telling me you know keyboard is so loud you could have been the only shame all the events to be seen it was a very valid point because I mean I'm a lab type but the butterfly keyboard just exacerbated that's so much it was so incredibly loud and I was like I'm sorry but she was very very nice about it because she was using an air and I was like oh I remember that keyboard it's not as loud memories we're seeing something yes so there's a lot of stuff happening now Mac OS is the soul of the Mac with its beautiful and easy-to-use interface there are a hundred million active installed base I built that must be of Mac OS and over half of Mac buyers worldwide are new to Mac so that's 51% globally and 76% in China and China we know is a huge market for Apple making big pushers and trying to make big inroads there Mac OS Mojave is obviously the latest edition of Mac OS which was released or at least there the beta was at WWDC and it's now in full the full version we have dark mode I think that's kind of like the highlight of me to me it's like docks are the highlight new it was a matter of time before Patrick went dark and out of the envelope it was clear things would never be the same and they haven't and there it is well I mean this is the previous I mean I got too excited because I thought it was the actual I think it is because you don't see the little Apple light up and I have a MacBook Air I'm rocking the old school macbook air right now and it has a light up it has a light up Apple so I think he's still doing or that I remember like Timbuktu made cases that would be a manila envelope cases to format the first MacBook Air yeah yeah we are seeing that on the screen well I think that is a manila folder that was the iconic moment when Steve Jobs pulled it out I remember that that was that was pretty class yeah that's like the big deal in that so there was you know 10 years you'll remember that like see [Laughter] okay so the current version is different but not that different this is from Dan in the live blog the basic concept remains the same so I guess the slim form factor come on show us it show it show it yeah we still we're still looking at those large bezels on the screen that's the old event right leave the bezels and put a red in there I think there's still would be people like oh but I mean people still buy the the for a five year old MacBook Air that I'm rocking I mean there's part there's sounds like the air might stasis Dan Ackerman so oh I was wrong and chief from the crowd for the it's a time for a new MacBook Air announcement it's back there XR macbook air max there's a video being played now so I guess we oh yes yes I'm incredibly black we have a Retina display that's all we know right now he's so much that's only I've been asking for it Lexi I sold Alexia where's the Apple slow down somebody can somebody check to tell me I'm seeing it live please all the time Betina Betina colors colors colors colors well cue the video I don't know Dan Ackerman saying colors but oh yes there's colors on the screen it's kind of wait I'm looking at the video right now and there's like a silk fabric over the iPad Air's MacBook Air that looks blue so I'm wondering if it's gonna be blue but it looks silver okay all right so the Shara is saying it looks like there are two USB sea ports oh thank you and it has a gold option for Lexi cuz I know that's your favorite we can see one of the first official shots now there are two USB C slots on this side and there's gonna be anything else it looks very familiar I will put it that way because there's nothing I mean it's kind of what we expected from the redesigned MacBooks this is a try this is a tried and tested design obviously it's it's being you know widely right very widely received with critical acclaim for 10 years it's definitely needs an update and a refresh it doesn't look as huge of a refresh as I was expecting but that being said you know people love the full package but will they hit that price point that we talked about earlier we'll be good at $900 13-inch there's a gold Lexy loves I think from that render it looks very similar so same 13-point 13-inch screen size which I'm happy about and the resolution is sharper for over 4 million pixels yes yes because I was gonna go I went to reduce but now the price point I put $12.99 like you Lexi so Steven says more I say more I'm going for less I think it's good $10.99 actually Ashley I want to get you a point here what what do you think the price point is we're gonna play a guessing game of MacBook Air retina 13.3 inch price point Oh ashle disappeared colors back on the line we'll still student still doing our a betting game if you want to jump on this CNET live hashtag let us know what you think the price point is gonna be touch ID without a touch bars I mean I don't want to bash the computer likes he's rocking right now but I think that's kind of a good move it's my work computer let's be honest I the only reason why I liked the touch bar is the touch ID so advantage of it and that being said I'm glad hutch ID doesn't work I'd say it doesn't work so you're saying the glass is 60% full said though we do have a work system an authentication system that might take a little while to boot up I don't know if has anything to do with it because I've only ever used it with my work computer so maybe in isolation if you just have you know none of that extra corporate stuff on it maybe it's totally fine so we are actually looking at the security of this MacBook right now and they're talking about that t2 chip which store has the secure Enclave they're calling secure call it and make your own definitely spending a lot of time explaining the security for this MacBook so I think they're definitely playing on the their edge with the security features going to Lexi's favorite point it looks like it's still butterfly yes well there's always that's an always-on processor that enables hey Siri no because I'm telling you the Siri button on the touch bar is the stupidest position and it's like are you always press it and I don't want my MacBook listening for hey Siri because all of the other devices that I have that our Apple related I say hey Siri and they all respond to one response or the wrong one responsible none of them spun I don't want that on the MacBook take that away that's I mean really I can I can disable that we moved it like a different key like this move one end we have they're not talking about the trackpad which is larger kind of like the new MacBooks that's Arion so we already kind of knew that touch touch ID or a sorry force touch trackpad that's 20% larger than the existing one so actually what this is kind of nice lexi we have that my MacBook Air and your MacBook Pro to compare before and after exactly so the big trackpad the 20% larger area as you said butterfly mechanism still four times more stable so there is a reference point that stable is a nice way of saying it won't break well is it is it still loud for Lexi though new speakers 25% louder the old air was notorious for not being loud enough that is true yes so I agree to that and there are wait how many have they mentioned how many I think there's two three names me there's two Thunderbolt three ports better and the USB c-shaped okay so what about the other side I'm hoping we'll see I mean if there is no headphone jack it will be very disappointing for creators and people that obviously like video editing anything like yeah that's just it that would be a big loss just and then you like to listen to music on headphones but then that would shuffle a lot of people to the MacBook Pro range which I would not be surprised if that what if they put lightning on there I know they didn't know okay so here we go we have the power we have USB all through that there is Thunderbolt ports and in the USBC shape and is using eighth generation Intel processors which was not a surprise would be I mean I don't know that's that's just to be expected at this stage up to 1.5 terabyte SSD yeah good I like that but imagine the price on that one it would be $3,000 retina which will be $15.99 Blackmagic epu we got launched earlier this year that was amazing that this little MacBook Air can use that too as Vantage so if I am a graphics person or a video person I could plug it in at home get that done and then take it on the road and people type which is the dream the other thing they're mentioning is the battery life it still has an all-day battery life but it doesn't seem like it it's gotten that much better than the existing iPad I mean max right because the MacBook Air is still like kind of like the gold standard for battery life yeah yeah I did I did want to see a little bit of more of an improvement on in this regard just just because but we always want to eke out a little bit I think that realistically that is it's a high priority for consumers it's a lower priority for the manufacturers just because they want to try and cram in as many features and of course that's going to negate the battery life if you have that Retina screen right there you're right you guys because you were seeing the other side and we do have a point 75 pounds 17 percent less volume than the existing air so that's I mean my air already feels really light which I like compared to other and like to other yeah MacBooks windows man sorry Windows laptops it actually is it but to the fact that it is 17% smaller or less volume now we're getting closer to the weight of that MacBook the which makes it curious to see what if anything what's gonna happen to that does this replace that or what's going I would hard sorry yeah you know that the MacBook that was supposed to be that kind of interim between the air and the MacBook Pro and that what does that drop in price let's see we don't know what else is gonna come up next but well the the and then Dan Ackerman is mentioning the same thing with the fact that Windows laptops like the Acer Swift are already in that range so they're not definitely not first to get in there with a smaller footprint but if you are upgrading from an existing MacBook Air it will seem like a huge difference now showing pouring glass pouring the glass I mean this is - I feel like this is well I think that's what Ashley back on the line Entertainment Tonight had to shoot something in our studio so they kick them out early and she'll be back it's like their most random fact and now they work for on Mac and also sorry guys the mag said as Dan Ackerman pointed out the MagSafe is no more officially away no more no there ain't that part yeah this this is this is a kind of a sad moment because that would you rather MagSafe stay or headphone jacks oh no headphone jack yes my pc does MX if and everything's fine on connects it knocked everybody trip over it yeah I mean I'm very glad that they did keep the name the legacy of that and the goodwill I think associated with air is huge and I think if they just got rid of that by saying the new MacBook I don't think people would be as excited because the legacy is that people go oh I know the MacBook Air I had one of those or I still have I still my MacBook Air is 11 years old all right all right these are all oh my goodness there's like 13 members Dan Akram in the crowd he says what the crowd went silent when when they announced the price yeah that's because we've become to know that memory and and you're probably gonna want to upgrade that yeah I mean that's not even gonna be with that 1.5 terabyte yeah and the other thing is then we have ok so then is that's the price of the MacBook right now it's the same price right it's 11 yeah right let's take a look let me thank check but yes the point I'm pretty good too it's close enough that now you're gonna drop that price for it to because you still don't have that you don't right now we don't have that option that's but under $1,000 haven't had that option for a couple that's the Mac meaning like the MacBook Air right Mac Mini was what like the old MacBook Air the 11 inch one was 750 that's right that was a tiny tiny I always saw people using that no that was on this way out but it was like you had two options that were under thousand well this is a big selling point for me is it's 100% recycled aluminum I mean that's a pretty plastic but that is pretty cool I mean there me and that is computers out of 100% recycled aluminum that's that's a big one I mean I'll be honest I have an option from pro and I keep coming back to the air because of the form factor so I would probably be upgrading if if I could do the one terabyte how about you I think I could I would do the air but I did get Blackmagic EPU so that way I can still video edit and do that stuff what am i pad for that's new Mac it's happening it's happening and it looks the same it says well it's a box it was a joke I think no I know I know but I mean like people hate the macro design I don't like it either but at least it's different and at least it looks like a trash can I'm boobie nice if this was a little out of the box but it's not it's it's a box it's literally box the and I'm the one thing I am a little bit disappointed in is that we're not seeing that light up Apple anymore whether it's on the MacBook Pro sorry MacBook Air or any of the app other Apple devices I I kind of liked the light up Apple and now we're not seeing anymore it was like except if you're in a dark room and it was throwback we just did it how to how to get rid of all those blinking LED lights you could sleep all these images to everything's in the dark there's one light on this desk everything's dark Mojave desert things dark a lot of that does not come from the original one it was the actually glow of the LCA the screen would you have to Apple ID up and now it's just they have liked behind it so no seemed like it's an it was nice while it lasted yeah that's so for core processor sorry for core six Corp and four core quad core processor eighth-generation 60% faster graphics so this is well I mean faster than the last generation which was five years ago I mean so everything that we kind of have predicted which were it was better processor and more memory exactly this one goes up to 64 gigabytes of memory which is pretty nice upgrade 32 to 63 gigabytes of RAM good for video and audio production Patrick which has yes my friend she would use it for pro tools really yes so all them stack and I think the this is a product that definitely needed the refresh and we're getting all the upgrades that people wanted now same can be said from the app from the MacBook Air they're not necessarily super innovative well I think this is the you know the Apple I guess murder supper and it sounds really crazy that I would say you know it's early in the morning it is still before 7:30 a.m. Pacific time so I'm allowed to say so samehada's i whatever I want in whatever language I want but I think this is Apple's like I guess that their way of going you know we have we have the products we have the legacy and we don't necessarily need to go crazy with these things because you know maybe this is not quite what consumers are wanting yet I would beg to differ so as we were talking leave all storage is flashed on this so two terabyte to the last storage up to Wow pretty amazing I love I love HDMI and USB a survive sorry guys we went quiet because we're now taking a look at the back of this device to see what kind of ports it's rockin and it's still rocking a decent amount of ports Ethernet ports let's see rid of all the mini that would have been well they took the ports away from all the other computers and just put them in yeah exactly that's true so this is the one that everybody's gonna get in turn because nobody wanted to get rid of all the ports and used on others cheesing do you think we can get the space great keyboard and mouse with this cuz that would be pretty I doubt I don't think so Patrick but that's nice of you I like going back to Beechum's whole like dark mode I think that would be you'd have to have that they're gonna have to I mean even look at the servers their servers are even dark same color oh yeah 8000 Mac minis that was the company hasn't it has 8000 of them to make apps like candy crush Wow I think there was a more cost efficient way to do so what is our guesses on the price here oh I'm thinking $8.99 yeah I feel like they can make like an $8.99 and then you're gonna jump in yeah maybe even up to 1600 or something for that we're seeing a $200 price increase for both the MacBook Pro air and the Mac Mini so I guess with inflation and things consider it's nice for the MacBook yes Mac Mini Mac you're getting a huge upgrade I mean this is definitely plus we're like higher in iMac which is amazing for the price I obviously that $7.99 is gone for the core i3 it's not the six core one well ehm you'll be pleased to know that sixty percent post-consumer recycled plastic and 100% recycled aluminium inclusion reduces your carbon footprint by nearly 50% fantastic remember seven you can order it today there we go you can order it today or do today so pre-order today arriving November 7th in let's see is the Apple Store down oh it has been done for a while so what's next guys are we thinking iPads I think you gotta go iPad yeah I guess yeah I mean there can't be an Apple pencil with no new iPad that would just make no sense well essentially it's we don't see these krauser events where it's easily either Mac or Z the iOS stuff so it's kind of you know we're gonna jump back to the iPad after coin about the Mac Mini when's the last time that happened at least not for years yeah I think 2014 I don't even know if that was in the keynote yeah that was updated this happened yeah I mean to be honest I was probably asleep in that Keeney you weren't born yet okay Oh updates today at Apple is coming up next with Angela rents who is ahead of all the Apple stores and so we can pretty much mute it for the next five minutes I'm kidding if you want to but I mean I guess now maybe this is a good time to kind of dive back in to take a pee break guys this is the time as by footer like the most successful stores retail stores out there right now which is amazing yeah well I mean it's not like an Amazon go store obviously which you can too what if you could just well people are already doing that at the Apple stores no there's been a just a massive amount of Apple Store thefts in the last in the last couple it's not funny it's really serious but but it is just have so many products on display and it's really tempting for for thieves to just go in there and swipe up a bunch of product because they're all like tracked products and stuff they're all like formatted for like in stores stuff so it's not like you're gonna be able to do anything with those iPhones you still are those they sound parts though they should have a China and stuff that's on the floor there have been a couple of heists of actual devices that have been delivered to the store overnight and people have kind of got to know where the trucks are being delivering goods to and then just taken like a whole payload like 6000 devices at one time so hashtag pro tip I'd say there are a couple of new Apple stores actually I think there was one in Milan I think Tim Cook was there last either last week or earlier in this way yeah you're never gonna go but we had something in Venice actually today at Apple yes that's Angeles still on stage talking about pretty much all of the classes that are at the Apple stores Lexy I took one the other day was pretty cool and we it was really cute I met this lady this older lady who goes to the classes every day and takes a new Apple class and it was really sweet to see I mean maybe she was paid by Apple honestly if she knew I was working for seen it at the time but it was just because they're free and she would just show up and then here's somebody a little bit older who was interested in learning about the new technology for Apple and so I think it's a really cool thing that they do with these stores opportunity for people to just come learn watch for free yeah I say like that was one of my guys I was like a workshop person so I do you like these things like how to use your iPhone something you'd have that your best my newbies to like people who can you give me your best like Patrick at Apple impersonation well not an impersonation you actually did it so I want to actually get like just pretend you're taking you know you're helping out the Genius Bar oh you're taking you know an introduction to a class give me your best kind of I'm Patrick moment I'm Patrick the dulcet tones of mr. Patrick Holland introducing the latest product or way to do something or how to fix iOS I don't give me something okay here's the here's the fix to all the problems if you ever have a broken Apple device the fix is and when you find a device and find the power on and off button and we're gonna turn it off the fob would be like how many people can't do that okay half the table great a lot of these classes too besides basic stuff are also more geared toward like creative stuff like photography music one of my favorite things I can do was like video editing I'd say that's where I learned a lot of it was through Apple and yes stole and the store because you get trained up and learned like Final Cut and all that stuff I was I was like an iMovie baby iMovie baby yeah who graduated but yeah I think all that's neat and I love that aspect of Apple and I hope they still do it because I think that's a big differentiator for a lot of companies you can't go to like the Samsung store and take Samsung workshops you know yeah take our GarageBand class if they have it I mean I think you just need you just check out the lineup on the store closest to you and [Laughter] maybe there's no iPad how they are they lowering our expectations actually just making us more and more interesting people are gonna drop off this live show if they don't get to the iPad so I'm thinking that maybe it's not what as good as what we're expecting so that people just kind of drop off as far as I can tell our news comes up like she not only her role that Apple but her former being like the CEO Burberry it's like you have someone who she's not the CEO of Apple but all right probably could be one day you know so it's nice it this is kind of just like introducing you to an - I guess a number of the high profile Apple execs and be like you know Tim Cook isn't gonna be the CEO forever so they've got to lay the groundwork for someone yes it would be lovely if it was a woman so nice I did it was just Patrick's way of name dropping over here so we have I was too specific and I failed so number one I kind of got that kind of didn't get seen that live is the hashtag on Twitter so please join us tweet along with things that you're expecting how your scorecards going and Patrick what have you got on yours well I'm doing first - I did pretty good on a third and we're gonna find out and the fourth one they did not mention I don't think they mentioned the Mac Pro and like and we know it's not gonna be a product and new that just that hey this is still coming in 2019 so what I wanted to hear but I don't think that's gonna happen but maybe iPad slim whatever that is you know what's great about your list is that you actually got the order right so far Steven here's one for you music lab called advanced beat making with logic for hope not like not quite GarageBand but yeah yeah and I love how Americans say garage because I just said Garage Band no I can talk about my recent Apple Store situation I had to go to meetings I know it was actually a good a good one I have an iPhone 6s and as you know the batteries were having an issue now the cracked screen has yeah yeah now it's a cracked screen no but um they were offering the battery replacement for $29 and I did it I went online I made my appointment went down there had to wait for maybe like two or three minutes took me aside asked me what was wrong took my phone said come back in an hour I laughed came back in an hour had my phone he's that fast 29 bucks boom new battery you go did you go get a Cinnabon while you were no I actually I came back to the office of work yeah I mean the Apple they have it they have it worked out the only thing that was accepting we're actually slowing down your batter like it slow but it was kind of weird because the line was cueing down the stair so we're all standing on the stairs I was kind of weird we're gonna make your foot we're gonna slow down your phone's but we are gonna fix it and be really nice about it it's time for the iPad there we go new jingle brought to you by remember the first two when the iPad launched and everybody was in Texas they launched in a South by Southwest or something maybe I'm wrong no buzz like the following yeah yeah and that's when they went on sale that's what it was I remember Mollywood buying one but I think there was that mad TV sketch worth they had a different name and it was referring to it maybe a cemetery promise that was the appropriate terminology oh maybe they'll be the maxi-pad this year because they are rockin the max name for the for the iPhone iPad Mac so that you can rearrange it to be maxi pad they sold more iPads in the last year than the entire notebook lineup from the biggest notebook manufacturers laptops more iPads were sold and Windows laptops where is that I don't know I see more Chromebooks in schools like elementary schools and I see iPads because you haven't gone to Marin I mean I don't know how many schools have iPads but anecdotally not enough I think would be I haven't been to any schools lately it's been I mean I did just graduate they are showing a chart has forty four point two million iPad sales HP oh well okay so here's the thing so yes they sold more than but not they sold more than HP which is according to this chart that the biggest but it's not more than all of them combined no HP Novoa soos acer Samsung etc bundle them all and that's in like probably close to like the hundred one hundred and fifty million whereas iPad was about forty four point two million my my mathematics is not great at this time of the morning but I that's not all I was just reading with shara/road so no no no I I was just trying to try to verify this statistic here yeah let's let's go at all these up two real quick let's do math that will keep people guys here it is it's the new oh you were right about the about the about the design with a design yes the se designs for the map and no home button guys no home button he designed for the for the sides and yeah no not no not so face id support no not CH and in space grey and silver screen silver and the new Apple pencil or actually they're showing sorry a new Apple pencil but we're not sure if it's actually new this is kind of a knock off the surface before the old Apple pencil you would plug into the Lightning port and it would stole my god like it's the most ridiculous weapon yes very bad way of charging so now we're gonna see if it actually does have a battery in it like this surface pencil or if it's Hodgins on your iPad as many times that video did I yeah you you were right about the about the throwback to I think I think the best design in terms of the at least the iPhone mm-hmm I know a lot of people agree with me from the 4 to the 5 to the sae that that edge display and that edge referred a nice yes exactly that's sort of that flat edge flat but then they had the champagne around this for kinda yeah I kind of want to disagree I'm gonna be the devil's advocate here and I kind of don't like it the the fact that they're reverting back to older designs and I know that you're you're a fan Lexi but a nostalgic hey Sam it just makes it seem old to me it's in my the only one I don't know like I think if it was the bigger puzzle having more to grab on with less screen space to grab on to do we try exactly the feel in the hand of those older phones it is less likely to slip out of your hand than the new design because I'm clumsy I know that a heavy tablet is gonna be the first thing that I'm gonna drop drop test I'm thinking two drops right here Apple sorry MacBook Air and iPad what do you think it's a liquid retina liquid right now I called it I called it test you like the commercial oh wait 10.5 could stow it and drop it like so we um we have an 11 inch iPad with the same footprint as the previous ten point five inch iPad so it's going to it's not gonna feel a lot bigger but the screen since obviously it goes edge to edge no not no not so that's that's pretty nice I so we use it for for sheet music which oh that's kind of nerdy but no but it's but that's fantastic for sheet music because then you can have a huge but at the same time like you spend so much money on books and books of sheet music an you can't yeah look if you're a keyboard player in 2018 you have an iPad mounted next year yeah keyboard now that's how everyone doesn't know so you you've got a twelve point nine inch and an eleven inch display for the iPad pro so and it's actually thinner even though the the like we were mentioning the edge is now not rounded but they like flat it's 25% less ID so these are these are similar in size but smaller footprint now I didn't see the sighted anybody catch this side-by-side of the twelve point nine oh here it is is this it right here yep how much smaller it is that's actually yeah that's larger than a sheet of paper like smaller thank you paper over it you can't because it's papers that love it yeah that's small but this one because I know like a lot of musicians had the twelve point nine inch just because it was almost the size of the sheet of paper and you could see the notes better but this one this one is actually nice because it's smaller I mean the footprint is smaller or the screen it's the same size so that'll be like the ultimate oh there it is with the sheet of paper yep so gestures are obviously gonna be coming to the iPad that's what kind of iOS I think here's the thing I think the gesture based system I mean compare it to Android PI and Android still is still incredibly confusing the implementation of the gestures I think that iOS 12 gets it a little better and the iPad 10 and you know 10 s 10 are get it a little better I still think though that the biggest screen is kind of where the gestures are coming in most handy and I'm really interested to see if it actually does translate from what I think should be a better use case and a better I guess a better experience and to see if that actually is the case with the gestures um so we did say like there's an image that has kind of like s showing you how the bezel and the face idea is working so the 7 megapixel camera please don't take photos it doesn't have a camera in the back as please don't take photos if if you're my mom and you're Latin you're probably are continue taking photos with the iPad like it's honestly say there's a two things my mom she loves taking pictures with her iPad it's like more satisfying to her than taking pictures with her phone for some reason because she probably could see it better so the other thing I wanted to point out is the other thing that was kind of up in the air was whether or not was gonna have a vertical they said the unlock we're seeing ambient light sensors on either side of the dot projector so that makes me think that its face ID horizontal face ID unlock is going to be supported I think that was supported in that wasn't a 12x Bionic X or 10 is it a 1210 no well now they've messed it up for us but then they're they're like totally messing up their marketing too because then they made a safe ten sorry the iPhone 10 and then eight core CPU for performance cores and for efficiency cores apple-designed fusion architecture 35 percent faster CPU it's making me regret buying the 10 billion transistors like the average consumer really billion transistors it's funny like testing phones have been doing like these gaming phones which are some of the fastest Androids and even with all like the extra RAM and all that like one even has a fan so it can cool itself down to overclock yep even with all that is still slower than like an iPhone in are like it's that prop that 812 chip is this crazy Bionic a child by owning Bionic acts performance metrics of the a 12 against on the iPhone versus the pixel 3 even just smoked it yeah well and this one's the the 12x yes so that's so it's gonna even more even even more faster yeah that was even more fast I'm just I have to specify my correctly as a joke or incorrectly a told because they're saying it's not faster than 92% of all portable PC so I you know that's that's a big everybody all other companies at this point are now challenge accepted and taking notes I'll do some speed tests yeah exactly that's the chest drop test we're doing all kinds of tests in the what happened I don't there was a snacks box there was a picture of an xbox Xbox Xbox it says Xbox class performance and they said the competitor names that's finally I said I've been asking for this for long folks I'm not a game xbox Xbox 360 Xbox one they did not define it as a picture what's definitely in it enables up to one terabyte in store one terabyte storage capacity if you're using are you gonna be if you're gonna be taking videos on your iPad just know really a lot of photographers edit on the iPad help so that I mean we're finally hopefully getting to that point where it could potentially replace running my ass even be from tumblr fan page Photoshop it on the iPad was the big thing right yeah that was a couple weeks ago that was a big thing and obviously you know you're gonna need that terabyte yeah yes I did call it okay you're so excited well I didn't I I was a little bit regretting my decision to put the USB C in there because I didn't think the Apple was gonna have the courage but if they did so they're showing they're showing device device connections so another rumor was that iPhone and charge your other devices transfer data between them maybe I'm just looking at the image but but they also said that you were going to be able to hook it up and transmit 4k video so that image alone you could probably probably and so we're that's a five key monitor I think it's what I saw this may be the year that we get close to replacing that the laptop I remember I know every year Scott Stein that when he reviews the iPad he says that it's not ready yet to replace his laptop this might be the year it is Apple pencil I mean if it's gonna replace that the computer that means thing that cost nine million if we're hitting a MacBook Air at $1,200 yeah then you want to be able to hit that four hundred to like twelve hundred other iPad the regular iPad is 399 maybe this is the I think the cheapest merton version right now but maybe this is remember you said that there was no sub thousand dollar MacBook at this point maybe this is going to be there sorry the the iPad 2018 iPad is $329 so spectrum between nine and twelve twelve bucks and we have to do is the mini gonna survive as well it's not gonna be totally written out I mean that's another interesting thing the mini hasn't been updated smart Keyboard my iPad 2nd generation 32 gigs with $700 Wow what's that how many years have you had it now since 2012 and if you divide that every year the big deal no more no more weird attachment and we attachment no more while replacing the battery if you have a surface and soul because like a tad smaller it does look a tad smaller Oh William Patrick that looks so sweet with that the iPad with such tiny bezels on that folio yeah it looks like it looks like a laptop right there but the I don't see the connector on the the smart connector on the back do you did any of you guys see where it's located or looking but it is still horizontal so that makes a lot more sense to me maybe it's it's sort of in a similar position is where the Apple pencil would be no actually maybe that doesn't that doesn't make sense because then you couldn't charge yeah and have the keyboard connected I didn't he would hate the way that the keyboard is oriented would assume that it is on that axis right on the horizontal that might be the one rumor that was off maybe the the positioning of that smart well there's like looks like there's two different positions like this is kind of more to straight up yeah and then this is more laid back 12 megapixel camera around the back true tone flash and 4k at 60 frames a second no portrait though as far as I can tell which is good because I don't want people to well that's interesting that they didn't do that you told that you tried telling that to my mom so all of the things that we've seen on the earlier Apple on the iPhone such as smart HDR which is Apple's new way of making HDR images and group FaceTime which is an iOS 12 update which is actually 12.1 which is coming out today and emoji and me emoji the advanced face idea yep and gigabit class LTE but East there so there isn't a sim inside there so oh I would be interested to know if you could also that's yeah yeah and the other thing is a hundred and twenty frames per second which is great the only other device we know that does that is the razor phone to the gaming phone and going back they announced that Assassin's Creed will be on the iPad and what's cool about that and maybe the reference to Xbox was just that you're able to get kind of consoled yeah you're getting close to having this ain't not the same console and the catalog selection and if I can plug that into a monitor and now I'm playing this I'm you can yeah well I can't apparently but as I play wait but what I have to use the Apple pencil is like no I bet third parties will sell controllers that just connect via bluetooth or well they already have but I'm not sure how they interface with the iPad specifically I mean down there with that I don't think that's an Apple thing right right now we're seeing lots of like AR up numbersync now assassins Brotherhood here we go so I'm honestly like I mean I know the market out there it's huge but gaming like the console experience on it yeah I don't think need me know I think I think there are a lot of people that are incredibly interested in this and this is going to be yes something they will definitely pick up on right specifically but I think like the core experience the console experience is very much a Leanback on a big screen a big TV so either it's an external monitor or it's like on your living room couch on a really big screen because the whole immersive experience of gaming is not necess I'm in kind of is but I mean those I mean even older iPads have really nice displays right so you have this newer display you have the hundred twenty frames per second refresh rate it's gonna look insane it's gonna look so cool it's gonna be a really expensive gaming device we're riding out the iPad to till it's dead that's the dilemma the iPad it's there's such a good device I think now it's laughs don't trade them in until you it needs to need to there we go okay games 2k games yeah well NBA 2k that mean that's the thing I I and there now they're pandering with the Brooklyn Nets or oh I didn't even know play three-time all-time three-pointers this is I'm ready to see pricing actually this does look this is the last night's game I work I would not have a clue so I'm full disclosure that's what I thought was going on here cuz I don't watch I don't watch the basketball very much it captured the whole game in real time creating clearly us number one sports fans right here Lexi and myself ladies beard yeah I wouldn't know but obviously respiration and I highly optimized mr however could be the guy having to play that onstage in front of it I mean just like perform it's like I'm I'm sure that brings a lot and if all else fails they have that cut to pre-recorded tape they keep coming back to that shot literally one frame like that's not ya know it's 120 frames per second though is probably what 30 frames per second no shop air pod - oh yes that was Scott Steiner right now and that was a long slow close-up of sweat okay I do now it's starting to look a little bit more gamey game II as their as their like huddling in to cheer that yeah that came it away from me give away the audience is the yeah give away I think the action I mean if you just took a passing glance so that you could be like oh is a game on and then you look we don't have any food or drinks it's clear the audience they have nothing in their hands not all taking photos looking down to their phones don't be on I'll get it we can play it Adobe on because I suck at gaming Toby this is this I will can definitely jump on Adobe on the I'm gonna get premiere on your iPad or is it okay Wow okay Wow do you think the issue with the obviously the Adobe ecosystem is moving towards the Creative Cloud and some people love it and some people like me like not having to activate your software yeah I'm the subscription model every month and I I don't know I haven't used I have to be honest I haven't used any of the Adobe products on the iPad I'm not even Photoshop yet so I want to know if this is going to be moving towards that kind of subscription-based model or if it's just literally buying an app I think you can do I think it's which is neat because that way if you just want that you can buy it and it I think maybe 30 bucks 29 bucks there are 20 bucks or if you already have if you already are a member just there okay well I believe that's how that's what they do know it's a couple extra go that's good I missed that because I wasn't okay so she's demoing but looking at the iPad still that rough edges look so bad actually and and and look at look at her editing to the Apple pencil is a looks like a fantastic editing tool I've actually never used it as it's so much more intuitive than having to use your mouse it's kind of reverting back to using a pro and she's using the Apple pencil to edit photos I'm so good I'm I wanted I want this I need to use it because I'm so accustomed to Photoshop on the desktop but but then I think the big learning curve for me is gonna be learning and because I love the reason why I love Photoshop on the desktop is because I have so much customization I can put windows wherever I want I can open up like the history in one side and then have that right alongside and if there's a lot of going back and forth between those things on the iPad then it's probably not the tool for me but imagine the precision for that from the from editing from a pencil versus having because we had like you had to learn to edit like precision wise on a mouse oh and to and to tout like moving it with a pencil is kind of like I'm really into art and so that just I'm dexterous with my much more than I am with a mouth to your point though I believe this new version addresses like that keeping a lot of controls and shortcuts as similar as they could but obviously changing them to make them more sensible on right and together I have not used it either so far it looks so much different than the light versions on it and it does look like I could find the tools and shortcuts pretty easily but to be fair designers are already using graphics tablets and pencils alright we're using on the desktop so transitioning to a pencil on the iPad is not that tricky but the thing is those tools are already there on the desktop it's nice to have them on the iPad but maybe this is not going to be something that is going to appeal to the people that already are using graphics tablets they actually it's gonna appeal to people that are more hobbyist like ourselves right yeah and who are not doing this is there you know there is I mean out but I feel like the other aspect of this is its reliance on Adobe cloud for always backing up so if you and I like that I don't want it in the Derby cloud I also use like other services like Dropbox and stuff like that I don't want it in the cloud at all I still want on my device I'm a traditional look I want to go back to save things on the device but you could also have them so if you're working on a illustration or graphic and then you're done with it I can pick up right where you left off instantaneous you saying mine wasn't good enough so you have to think exactly I'm very very very very very very very very excited about this but also I come from a drawing background not from necessarily a like room editing background so that the fact that I can go back to being seeing what's on paper and using a pencil on this actual screen instead of using it on a like on the surface where you have to look down to see and then see it see your changes up on the screen yeah that that to me it would be amazing so not having to it's kind of reverse engineering to how you would use a pen and paper so I don't know so this PSD file I worked on has one and 57 layers like that that's hot cool this is three gigabyte file all right that would that would make my air crash first er oh yeah that would purge my first humble because even even for me air is like yeah so that's in a technical error yeah she's making a oh wow this insane so is this this is like crying reminds me of the Minecraft dem I remember from the M company and I cannot name apparently thang so creating some sort of a our demo i holding the tablet up and having butterflies and forest journey obviously the things that we were would be using it for we not coming till 2019 the AR application that would be my go-to tool now more than photoshop is and so i I think but the thing is with Lightroom is catalog management is the huge one in Lightroom and if they can streamline that between the iPad desktop and not necessarily I mean solution is obviously they say use but I have so many different libraries and so many Dixie has issues with the clutter be closed I don't want it to get locked in so if I decide not to have a Creative Cloud subscription I like lose access to my files like to like drop I'm still very much at least when it comes to my editing and like photos and videos I'm still like a local on device kind of go I'm not a fan of the cloud I know a lot of people are but I still love things being on device and the program is nice to have so many different no you have one terabyte is that USB does that support like I don't know hard drives they can open an external hard drive and that USB C port on the side yeah because that's like I'm able to move around and I'm able to take an old PSD file like that was for desk OB and put have it on an external SD and then plug it into I'm not using any cloud services so I'm looking at a promotional video of the iPad right now and it looks like the pencil can only be put on the top so there's only one position it's not like magnetic all throughout the device so that's interesting I'm not seeing a smart connector though I see it's on the left side was where it's like the cyber the volume rocker Oh interesting that's the no look it's on the bottom I guess it's on it's right on the edge I think no it doesn't the rumor had it a but like on the back side above the lightning connector or the USBC connector on so it's actually put in right and the edge if I'm looking at it correctly which is interesting yeah so yes it's a I'm curious to see how thin it actually is even real looks pretty thin yeah it does because because the the shape of the edges make it appear a little bit thicker but it's actually a lot slimmer it looks like so lashes of paint on that screen and they have a nice little laundry a laundry video up and down up and down lots of spinning of the iPad again and editing on I maybe come on nor no I think that's just no I I'm sorry I sound like Nancy negative anything but so lightning connector Apple pens so sorry USBC not lightning connector Apple pencil what actually wait no no I'm not sure I'm not sure whether you ROG bond I don't know if that was GarageBand I think it's like some beat thing but maybe I think yeah Garage Benny to me garage Garage Band oh yeah you can that's interesting you can put you can transfer media from device to device with a connector so you showed hooking it up to a camera oh yeah well that's so people know to do so from camera to iPad or iPhone you have been able to transfer photos for a while using the special USB connector from usv/h lightning so you have been able to do that you must be agent yeah lightning yes you have been able to do that for a while now at least transfer I'm not sure I think it's USB ADA lightning at least so you've been able to transfer like RAW images if you had a compatible version of iOS and you've been able to transfer JPEGs at least for quite a while a couple years now I did a how-to one at ages ago so yeah it's a lightning to USB a and so that's been a seventy seven hundred ninety nine dollars for the 11 inch Wow yeah much more that I had but that's for 64 gigs what do you I mean it was mine was 32 you know 700 bucks really so that's that's pretty good so and then the 12-inch starts at 64 goes up to a terabyte nine hundred and ninety-nine dollars this is the new basically option for the MacBook Air price range so nine hundred ninety nine dollars oh that's that's a that's it's plus if you're gonna spend on the twelve point nine inch here probably not gonna get the 64 gigabyte right right yeah that's so you wouldn't does anyone remember what the original twelve point nine inch pro cost I feel like it was I don't want to say it but I think this is the most expensive iPad to date yeah it definitely it definitely sounds like it I don't remember the twelve point nine into regional price the the luncheon story maybe it was more than that you know there's a tool that we it's called the Z Google one one to nine 11:29 said that was one yeah that was definitely yeah so that was definitely I do remember being very shocked at that price when it did coming so this is our which is a really top under it still 464 but yeah 64 gigs but I got an external hard drive parents though a terabyte costs every every every price point sorry every storage model goes up a hundred dollars is that would that be that sounds so you could spend you could spend $1400 on a iPad plus plus the keyboard plus the pencil I'm assuming the pencils gonna be about $99 an keyboard attached to maybe like 129 or maybe ninety minutes um so that those I mean I'm guessing those gonna be the prices that's kind of around what the surface pricing is I'd be surprised if it was cheaper and they've got to cut the surface pricing if they did that would be pretty amazing I doubt it though because he'll have to go on the Apple store once it's not down sort out the pricing here but I guess kind of the pricing we expected right $7.99 and $9.99 although there's only um well I guess that's that's pretty in line with yeah so here we go that looks like they're wrapping up now and I'm pricing the pricing they 10.5 649 I pad per the 11 inch in $7.99 and the twelve point nine inch from nine hundred and ninety nine dollars yes so I'm what I want to know the high has configuration of that twelve point nine inch iPad pro and this is the confuse a lot of iPads now and this is confusing again Apple is segmenting the market so much I think that it is very confusing if you are a consumer going into the Apple store you've decided yes I want an iPad I perhaps want to use it as my I guess a complement to my laptop or potentially a laptop replacement I'm at that stage where I don't need like the full grunt power of having the laptop in terms of like that full-size keyboard and that kind of flexibility there but going in and you're like well what size do I choose what configuring choose to be their first question me like I want to pet Pro there can be like switch sides laptop so I mean you have the pro line and you have the non pro line or the air line I guess now but you kind of go one of those two and then you're gonna pick the you want like the big screen the small screen in between screen but then there's so much in between them the and they need a store where people could like advise you I'm interested to see if the Apple pencil is backwards compatible - older - older yes that would be interested because I how would you charge it exactly exactly where that little keyboard is because I think it's on the edge it is on the its it appears to be on the edge from what I could gather but you're the your question about the Apple pencil how does it charge if you don't have a I pad a new iPad because this one doesn't have that little like tap on the back so the store is back up right now but there are no their products don't seem to be updated as from what I can see it still looks like the old products and so I'm that's at least when I went to store it on apple.com times like they're wrapping up this they are wrapping it up now so it looks like yeah it looks like this a which is out now then you up update to 12.1 is out apple music oh it's Lana Del Rey is now performing at the Brooklyn Academy of Music and also worth to say that the Apple store is now in dark mode I've never seen it black yeah I think so but then it gets back to brightly at the top row down yeah yeah nothing has been updated yet the story is back up which is interesting so we don't know yet the exact specs and where the location of that connector is what all the people want to do it's still the old one where is the connected they still the pencil I still want to know how much that pencil is if it is more than $99 it's more than 90 or do you think do you think they go less do you think we'd be like oh it's 79 or some like that no it's gonna be the same it's got more oh actually okay so nari I thought it was new 11 inch and 12 inch narrate the stories don't lie updated that's a shame that's a real shame well maybe they're let's go to their news their news site yes maybe maybe maybe that's a good just to see if they have any announcements anyway sorry Lana Del Rey is performing live on stage now there's a little new tab now it now it changed well you know maybe I didn't know now it changed back to white and here we go it is something so if you go through to the Apple Store and you tap on by uh-huh I'll be able to see the designs by I don't know if it's gonna take so that all right now put your credit card in see that one no I'm so you have to go to the iPad Pro winner takes it all okay yeah is that our back to iPad and then tap on iPad pro in the low yes check out the pencil is it oh no first first look up the twelve point nine inch for one terabyte I'm just curious exactly what I was gonna do twelve point nine one terabyte one terabyte yes yes yes 14:18 Space Gray one terabyte what about without wife sorry just find it on the story it's on go go to the search Esther are accessories accessories and then guess what 999.9 no I mean why why would they undercut the previous generation they want people to use the Apple pencil yeah well that's a good point I mean how many pencil in the new yes but you wouldn't get the wireless charging and all of my phone yeah watching miss live obviously we're going off the blog was there any mention about the pressure sensitivity or kind of any new I bet the last time so it was a little bit was but I mean you I would have thought that would have been like the top teeing that they would have mentioned probably it does say industry-leading low latency doesn't give you a number they were they were but yeah well there we go 129 dollars magnetically attaches and pays so how would you does it mention anything how you would charge it if you don't you have to have the iPad I would assume I mean I don't I don't see any any other documentation at least on here let's see what it's like another kind of Matt put it on so can we address this please dead there are no mention of this we have not heard any mention of the air power Matt it is not at this in the store anymore there is no reference of it in the store it has been wiped clean of its existence they want us to forget that they ever mentioned the air power Matt rest in peace rest in comes back in time now what we have now the new Apple pencil put it on the app how Matt c4 charges nope that's a shame that is a shame shame so it's just not ready then no it's not gonna happen it's gonna happen no I don't think so I mean yeah just point it would just be embarrassing that like two years later because we're yeah this was announced in Sept this was teased last September so this has been over a year in the making that says I'm not sure when this happened when something like this has happened with Apple maybe it was they did announce the the Apple watch with a pretty big lead time but not time but it was I think the home was September last year and it was got released what mm-hmm I think it was January maybe this year the home part the home got Ashley back so maybe she could I'm so glad you're back we missed you during the live broadcast but you're back in there the live broadcast sorry what did you kick those people out and tell them they were more important et we actually all just record at the same time so no air power which I think we kind of knew rest in pieces power poor went after air power so my best friend and I had a running bet on this because he thought maybe it would show up today and I said if it doesn't show up today they have gone back to square one and I think we can maybe a little confidently say that like something something's going on there is a real big problem so are there some major hurdle that they just can't quite crack which you know like that's that happen sometimes and that's okay and I'd rather them get it done right as opposed to you know rushing it out and then having it have a bunch of problems I don't know note 7 note 7 is another good one remember like we yeah they're holding it wrong like that was a big deal because they bond with antenna gate I don't know anyway I was interested so obviously I we we went what should we were watching a little bit of the keynote but we are obviously talking through it and so there were a lot of things in there that I think were potentially mean worthy or something that maybe people were might have been talking about on Twitter in particular we noticed there was during that M NBA 2k demo there was like that very slow steady shot of one of the players from the Brooklyn team with the sweat I don't know if anyone else picked up on that on I don't know that was just like screaming for a meme to be made of it did you see what I mean I sweating me did you see what was the kind of like the general consensus on on Twitter on on the invent itself like maybe not on the sweaty meme anything so one of the my favorite things about any tech event is being on social and seeing sort of generally how people react to different things and obviously if you follow me on me on Twitter you've seen me kind of like live snarking Apple events because it's fun and exciting and honestly this is like really quiet and I think part of it is because half of the country was not awake as a slate to start their day so I think it was actually pretty like quieter than normal on social media and also this was a little bit more of a a less hyped event so I feel like we I feel like we kind of knew about it and then was like okay like we have some ideas about what to expect like you know with there's always with an iPhone event like there's this sort of extra that we get and I don't think we had that here today but I wasn't underwhelmed in fact like I really love the new iPad but it definitely was like a more muted response unsocial like I was sleeping because usually yeah so sleepy won over snarky yeah I didn't even get out of bed to start their day right it's like nobody's even in their offices yet to watch the event like and pretend they're working and and then typing furiously about it on Twitter like we kind of missed out on that which is a little bit of a bummer but I did see some like really I saw one question in particular which I thought was really good our very own Lindsey Turrentine tweeted about the pencil she was like I think this is actually one of the more exciting things like this is really cool she's like this is weird but I really think the new Apple pencil is the hottest news of this hashtag Apple event and then there was a question from Colin so he a response so Colin says it's impressive but what happens if you use a case as most people do does the wireless charging still work I think that's a really good question questions we're gonna see that work also will it being like Apple exclusive to the to their folio case well and I have another question to add to your question - Lindsay's question Ashley which is I'm actually also really interested in the Apple pencil and it's supposed to have a much better lag time but what if you you bought a knife an iPad last year or authority two years ago and you don't want to upgrade the app pad but you'd want the pencil does how do you charge it I mean is it a regular would you have to get a regular turning mat that's an excellent question and I would imagine that Apple probably thought air power would solve that problem they were like let's do a wireless pencil we're making this air power mat it's gonna be great and now they're like I almost wonder if they back themselves into a corner on that because yes of course you would want I bought an iPad last year and I'm like gosh I guess I've had Pro like because I were a pencil and I my Apple pencil has always did and so this yes problem with it so being able to wirelessly charge it by snapping it to the iPad it's exactly what I always wanted for the original one yes if you can't make that happen then right I didn't think that it was I really do think they were like air power we'll fix this yes and to your point like the we were looking at the different price points for for the different iPads and you can spend up to $1,900 on an iPad pro let's 12.9 inch with one terabyte oh and with the Wi-Fi and the and the LTE and then you add an Apple pencil to that and then maybe the the keyboard and what are you doing with your life well you know he's spending a lot of that's what you do yeah one why aren't you buying like two microsoft surfaces and then right like it just because it's not even a fully fledged computer like I if you're gonna spend that kind of money obviously you want the new MacBook Air and you could probably spend you know it's 1199 and then you got another $600 in dongles or whatever so it feels like that's like about the same price but yeah it does seem really odd right like it's it's a little bit yeah it's very strange to me like I get kind of dongles are you buying okay so go go into the question about the case the smart Keyboard folio that they announced it looks like there's not sides on it so that would allow the pencil to set up their case to work but my question is much like we saw you know the the battery cases go away with the iPhone 10 last year we haven't really seen those battery cases that were so popular um because it became more proprietary if I'm not mistaken I'm correct please correct me if I'm wrong but we saw a lot of battery cases the third-party battery cases go away so I'm wondering if this is also gonna be the same where it's like really if you want that full iPad pro experience you have to buy Apple's case yeah and then I would run achieve this with some phones that are not Apple phones that you can have a thin case on it and still wirelessly charge the phone I don't know if that would allow obviously for magnetically connecting a pencil but at least charging it I don't know so there's a lot of questions with that and what kind of cases are so right I'm sure you could attach it to the case or maybe people will start creating cases with an actual cutout where you place the pencil on the iPad which would make season and so I'm just taking a page from the fashion industry and thinking that could be the way they go bigger though isn't that the whole point that you have this nice slim iPad and then you're putting a massive case with a thing that Polk's out you know or like like if you have a really slim case with just a cut out that exposes that side of the iPad so that you know I see where you say yeah yeah yeah like a shoulder cut out on a sweater they were very got it robots make it more exposed because you're exposing the whole side of the iPad but I guess it is a thicker it wouldn't the use case for that it wouldn't really matter because you know you're using it in that configuration you've probably stuck on the desk anyway you're not really gonna be toting it around necessarily using that charging and I mean maybe you would while it's in the folio if you're out and about I would assume that you would charge it well it the because I'm wondering if it charges while the iPad is locked that's what I would be interested in as in like if it was just stationary yeah I would have to yeah you know when it hits 100% it stops right so I just got back from vacation and while I was on the plane I spent some time using the pencil to like you know doodle and and hang around and procreate and all that stuff but then I wanted to watch haunting on Hill house so I just you know put my pencil back in my backpack or whatever everything up to watch but I would imagine that sort of the use case right where it's like you're out and about you just want to like know if it really quickly and be have access to it really quickly and that I think is the other thing that might mean little cutouts for the pencil like for third party case makers because then it's very easily accessible you're not having to and it also is still getting charged like that to me is the most logical listen case designers I got some ideas look I threw it I throw a question at us also would you rather the new MacBook Air or would you rather the iPad with like sorry I'm still not enough of it I don't have enough of a use case for two separate devices a tablet and a laptop and that's why I would always err on the side of the laptop that being said I did do the math on how much it would cost to buy the fully expect out I pad pro the twelve point nine inch one terabyte with Wi-Fi and cellular add the folio and pencil two thousand two hundred and twenty seven dollars sounds like a deal sounds like a deal guys that seems that's your only device your only device you are an artist who needs the iPad and doesn't want any other like Wacom or other tablet and like the use case is so specific to have that top-end I said yeah I can't possibly imagine and I agree with you guys I think if you had to choose between one or the other I think for me I would ninety-nine point eight percent of the time go with the air and a price point as well like I just did a quick on the Apple store because it's all up now I also did like say if you wanted to spec out a MacBook Air one point six key an eight gig of memory and one point five terabytes the storage is not exactly the same as the one terabyte on the iPad but you're paying two thousand three hundred and ninety nine dollars so only about a hundred and you know sixty dollars more so and you get a your Mojave tax I have a lot of people in the chatroom saying I don't want to pay an Apple tax they're all seeing this as an apple yeah yeah higher priced products Apple it's extracting money from us Mayor Judith says freaking out of exactly are they freaking out about the the macbook air price hike or the iPad or all these holy above $2,000 even though even though you're right the Apple pencil got Maru this this by the way I'd like to point out this is probably the longest we've ever talked about an Apple pencil but that is true it's a metaphor for the whole thing right now I mean like I'm hanging 130 dollars for a stylist it was this yeah was this the most exciting product to come out I think we're leaving behind probably the best product to come out of here is the Mac Mini for the price if we're talking about what you get for the price I would probably put the Mac Mini out there for the best these a lot of people that 11 inch it's 64 gigabytes for $7.99 it's gonna be a compelling iPad I think I'll they're gonna sell a lot of them at that price point actually what are you saying again like I know a lot of people have Mac minis who are either maybe they work from home or they have a business where they run a you know a little server on a Mac many things like that but I I don't know anybody I or if I do I I know very few people would choose a Mac Mini over the MacBook Air the new MacBook Air yeah like Apple was almost marketing in it like like it was an Apple TV almost like just the way it looked on the table it looked like it was an Apple TV yeah yeah totally definitely that little Mac Mini would be a perfect little computer for like kids like in school who are like 10 like that seems like a good like home computer for kid going back to apples roots and homebrew computing you know the Mac thing I don't know I think that Mac mean II didn't get enough love I think at least from the social reception that I've seen I think it's finally it's I'm so glad that it has got to refresh even though the design is completely the same essentially and I'm disappointingly I didn't we didn't see any kind of hints towards the promarker yeah because we do not obviously there's a Mac Pro coming in 2019 no hints nothing dropped about that at all I think that was a bit of a disappointment especially to the Apple crowd that is been asking Apple time and time again please look after the pro market the creatives but I think I've driven Apple in the past but Tim Cook has addressed that and I think he's made it pretty clear that it's coming don't worry guys so I don't I don't think that that giving them a tease would like unless other side people there because I you know these products yes these products are you know a totally fine and used by these creatives but you know what happened last time it's used a product product is I mean they tease the original trash can back pro well before is on sale and that was I just hope that Apple market you have to update literally every six months i people and make it updated more video editors if they are editors or yeah make it very upgradeable because the thing is is almost every video editor i know in this town hates mac right now because there's like I want to edit on it but I can't upgrade it like I cannot upgrade it and so now I've got a you know I've got a switch or you know I can't if you want to market to the pro you know to the pro group of people who are using these for you know power users who are using this for work like you've got to start upgrading this stuff every six months you can't you can't even have it an annual upgrade cycle like it's just that is a wild thing to me like to be like oh yeah well we're gonna get to it it's like I hate to break this to you but you're literally losing Pro users as the years go by that you don't know anything well and is something that was really neat to me was seeing that new MacBook Air plugged into the the Blackmagic camera what's called the epu or whatever is called that right yeah II PU yeah because I think that's the nice thick in between for someone who is not maybe a dedicated full time video editor for someone who might video it once in a while or make music once in a while so you could plug that and get to go because I think that combination would still cost less than that iPads fully SPECT an Apple pencil I feel like made a lot of a lot of computing power and accessories and dongles and still comer though iPad priced yeah absolutely really quick I want to show I want to show you guys something that I saw when I was out in I went to I was on vacation I went out to to London and we went to the Tower of London and there's a I found a stylus from the 12th is a 12th century yeah the original Apple pencil it definitely doesn't cost $129 though it wasn't 129 like they had wax writing tablets but this stylus was like it was it was so small it was so little I've Johnny I figured back there's like this year's wax has been upgraded to the new less waxy but more glossy I've lost the journey I've indeed I need some more coffee what else on unsocial and on CNET life has been kind of gaining some traction what other questions or comments concerns that people have been having I gotta be honest most people are just like rich for my blood I'm out yeah everybody comment I see no no um no no thanks actually I got a crazy I don't if you saw they had a picture of an Xbox next to the new iPad pro obviously hinting at how powerful the processing is in the new iPad enough to play gaming what do you think of that I think that's really interesting I think that we so on stream economy we talked about project stream which is Google's efforts to sort of allow people to play really high-quality games and you know 60 frames per second on their computer through streaming and I think this I think this iPad is really to me very compelling in the way of gaming wise like I get that you're I mean I get that your graphic your GPU keeps getting upgraded and good for you and that's cool but I think if you're gonna go the gaming route like you're gonna have to show me more than what amounts to fallout shelter for Assassin's Creed which looked really cute and the graphics look really awesome and you know NBA stuff was amazing looking but the thing is is I think most people who are playing more sort of like non casual games like you're playing an assassin actual Assassin's Creed game or NBA 2k like you're playing that on a console like you're not playing that on an iPad so I don't know I mean it does feel like maybe it's Apple trying to be like hey look we can be like switch you can take it with you definitely feels yeah it feels like Nintendo definitely disrupted that space a lot and I I think that we're gonna start seeing a little bit more a little bit more in the way of you know all console manufacturers and I guess you could consider the iPad a console I if you wanted to really stretch but but I think we're gonna start seeing I mean we see it on every every single keynote about iPad I mean they're really into games on iPad I mean Infinity Blade was such a big deal when the first iPad came out you know it was like such a everybody freaked out and so I think now like we're starting to see them sort of get into that base and I almost wonder if it's indicative of some kind of deal or something that they might be working on to get other games manufacturers or you know production houses and developers to come on board and maybe maybe offer a streaming service something similar to project stream or to you know work I don't think they're ever gonna work with Google but they'll work with all those game developers so to do something really cool so it I'm very curious like kind of where they're going there but obviously this iPad is really well-suited to games and is the price of it I can buy an Xbox and a Nintendo consoles yeah you could buy all three across the phones and and VR you could buy oculus $300 one you could literally have so many games so many consoles like again like it's just such a weird thing to me to have Apple be like pouting their game stuff I would have rather seen augmented reality again like show me the updates show me how you are pushing the envelope there as opposed to just showing me another high-res game like okay good for you 120 frames a second well that's a good that's a good kind of segue into what we didn't get you mentioned we mentioned the air power mat obviously we didn't get or nor will we ever get at this point who knows the air power mat but some of the yeah what are they gonna call whatever comes out they got air power it's super powered air power so we didn't get that which was i I mean disappointing but probably expected at this point we didn't get the charging case for the air pods which is also expected because they didn't they didn't they didn't put the pad just the iPad but the the other thing we didn't get was the smaller home pod which could come early next year and you mentioned you know no VR headset we Apple has been working supposedly on a VR headset for a while and still no mention no tease I was more surprised there there was no tease of that or I think it would be highly I think it means to be in such early stages but but in ours really they've had a long leeway time it exactly given that magically you know obviously has had such a contentious I guess amount of press around it and you know a lot of people that didn't feel like it quite lived up to the hype and especially things like the red phone as well maybe you know they're waiting for the these kind of companies to go out and kind of you know trailblaze and sort of get that negativity out of the way and then when they are ready to reveal something you know maybe it won't be at the same level but at least people will be more used to it and the reception might be a little bit more warm for them because right now I don't think people are already they're really not so maybe maybe WWDC would that still be too soon you guys yeah I mean I I feel like you know it it's taken a while for you know Apple to start talking about AR as particularly and showing some demos that are good but I mean when it comes to the you know real life use cases the most I think the most useful thing for me is that measure app with in iOS 12 and that's just such a good stepping stone to be able to show like how AR can be used you know info for things that people are actually gonna want to use not necessarily oh I can put you know ferries and forests in in my living room I mean that's cool but I think that you have to start small and the Google Maps where you have like you follow the Fox to you directly stuff like that is like yeah it's such a smart simple thing but those are gonna be the things that kind of bring it to like actual people I think it's a slow and steady race and Apple knows that and they know that going too hard too soon is gonna scare off people and it's not gonna be something that's going to be to their advantage in the longer and no one's gonna have money after buying all these items like $4,000 which is Apple traditionally and I mean we see this every year they are very conservative with new technology and you know how long did it take them to get away from the 30 pin connector like I mean it yes this is classic Apple like this is it takes them a really long time they come in late to the lakes of the game a lot of times in terms of technology but they do it really well and so you know some Android fans out there I'm sure you're like yelling at me right now right now they don't but but generally speaking they do things very well like I'm looking at you Siri you're the exception but like is very much like a company that will look at okay like now that this technology has been out for a while how can we put our spin on it how can we make it very patently Apple and and then they do it and people generally really like it so I mean you know we've had face filters and AR stuff for a while with you know with snapchat and Instagram stories and all that stuff but then finally you know with MIMO G like that was Apple's way of doing it and so this is not a new thing like for Apple and I think they're gonna wait a really long time for AR I think this is why I like it's gonna take them so long to develop something like these glasses um but but let's see I got a magic a magic 8-ball so Vanessa let's just ask a couple questions your powers ever come out no not likely 8-ball is sadly sadly optimistic but okay so before we before we end I think there's four products that I'm very very curious about including that VR headset and the air power my mat which is funny because the air power match should be a lot easier to deliver than the VR headset but at this point in order of most recent to to most far off in the future we have the VR headset from apple the Apple branded car whether that's just we're dreaming we're dreaming big so Apple car VR headset or air power mat and eyeglasses I've been hearing but I got which is funny because we're putting the air power mad at this point on the same like turf as the Erica Apple car and the VR headset that's her what do you think is most likely of these three dreams like the answer was there why not let's just go crazy come on oh wait I forgot a foldable phone oh well what's the most likely not foldable fine not not really well not for it next you get VR headset it's gonna come before absolutely really yeah I think I think I think well we are it weren't that wasn't it an AR headset yeah it is that gives me more like man sorry ar AR that's gonna I think well okay so faking if they can get it together it's gonna be air power because they you know this is something they probably wanted for a long time but no but yeah I think barring that I think it's gonna be the the AR headset but it won't be next year I don't I don't think so not at all I think apples moves too slowly for that I'm gonna go with err sorry I'm gonna go with a folded phone and then a our headset and then air power mat sorry and then and then car and then we'll be here doing a show will be ten years old I [Laughter] look forward to that day me too I think you're Bionic I yeah I think that's a great place to wrap it up for today Ashley thank you so much for joining us and for all your input on Cena yay thanks Ashley and thank you so much Patrick Vanessa Beechum thank you and thank you to you for watching on scene out live hope you enjoyed and Vanessa is gonna be back with the apple core which is gonna wrap up all of today's news and more you can yet she's she's ready out for the day what are you talking about but she'll be back so stay tuned for that and make sure to stay tuned to see Netcom for all of the latest updates and thanks for watching see you later you
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