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live from the scene at studios in san francisco california is the apple byte extra crunchy with your host Bryan Todd what's up everybody welcome good afternoon good evening good morning depending on when you're listening to this amazing podcast it's the apple byte extra crunchy we are hitting up episode 27 27 we're going strong we're still in business man havent man we're still in business my mom is listening your mom's listening we are good we just want to say thank you everyone who is listening continues to watch this show grow we've got people right our network is deep periscope ICU periscoping youtubers I see you live streamers I see you I'm looking at the correct cameras when i call them out tune in soundcloud youtube live stream itunes feet all that we are here it's it's our we're up again this show is all about you guys we're just here to present the information to talk about it we love hearing your calls we got some calls this week as usual call us at one eight hundred 61 62 63 eight i expect to hear voice mails about whatever you want you can have questions topics we know apple's event is coming up in march if you want to ask us questions about that if you want to talk more FBI Apple we can also talk about that as well so let's just jump right into it we're going to continue this whole FBI vs apple saga there is more news to report just to kind of catch up on the cliff notes right the FBI requested Apple to create a backdoor into iOS creating kind of what everyone is referring to as the FB i-- OS you like that beat jump you like that that's glover is you could like logo it out and everything it's like kind of cool right so Apple said no the tech world supported apple and said no and here's here's the latest happenings are just kind of some very interesting things first of all the latest report from the New York Times says Apple engineers have now begun developing new security measures for a new basically version of the iOS that's basically going to make it pretty much impossible for not only Apple but also government officials to hack into iPhone so they're making a more secure more highly encrypted a version that they won't even be able to get into yeah in response to all this happen and it's almost like a they're almost racing to get this done too before Congress or any you know Judiciary Committee steps in and makes any new laws for them to not be able to do this so it's crazy this is according to people close to the company and security experts as well here's the thing if Apple does succeed in upgrading it security we know right now the FBI is requesting a court order so let's say this goes through okay it means that the next version or the next evolution of iOS will not be FBI OS it'll be a more secure version and then what this would likely prompt is another cycle of court fights and yet again more probably it's it's a race it's becomes a race yeah actually one of the Argo enhancer cycle yeah one of them actually referred to it as an arms race yeah a line of soda speaks through it's very interesting what's going on but um erase de los Brazos yeah see my spanish-speaking community I'm multi-cultural but I didn't did I say race I don't even think I said raised properly I just said de los Brazos yeah of the arms yeah it works um the only way out of this and this is what Tim Cook has actually suggested is for Congress to get involved to make a decision on this situation between the FBI and apple recently we know that uh Tim Cook is supposed to be an apple they're supposed to give a response to the court order on februari the 26th which would be tomorrow but it's expected that Tim Cook is going to say we want Congress to decide this yeah which is which is a tough sell because Congress doesn't do anything they just kind of sit and collect our tax money so committed that he would suggest Congress yeah he's like why don't you get them involved they don't do anything they're probably not even working so you know now here here's another thing that everyone is wondering what makes this so much harder to you know why can't they just get the data from the phone so for ample and we have a call about this federal wiretapping laws require traditional phone carriers so right you're a tease your verizon's to make their data accessible to law enforcement agencies that is by law but tech companies like Apple and Google and so on are not covered by this so they have continued to fight and resist legislation that would play similar requirements on them hence that's why they have a voice in this battle that's why Apple can speak up against what the FBI and the Justice Department is requesting from them right now that that's what's going on yeah it's big unpressed unprecedented to that a giant humongous company from the from America would say no straight up no right not going to do this I don't think that's ever happened in in history and they're arguing they're using the argument with the writs Act of 1789 the all writs Act of 1789 which basically says they're basically saying that it's out of the FBI's jurisdiction right that's why they're calling on Congress to pass a law to get this taken care of so it's very interesting so let's just kind of take a pause and we're gonna jump into we have a really cool phone call from one of our own Apple biters shamar Shamel he actually works for a carrier so he kind of has a little more insight on this whole situation between Apple and FBI so we'll take a listen and then we'll jump back in the show it was going on BTW what's going on beaches and this is a chamar from atlanta hey i just wanted to chime in on this on the FBI vs apple story they do not need to hack that iphone whoever the carrier is can easily give them the numbers dial the text messages all of that that's what the FBI does that all the time as someone who works for carrier trust me if the government wants to get that information they can get it from the carrier there's no reason to break into that iphone whatsoever this is just another ploy to try to get into iPhones and to try to be able to access more data so no I bought in your program I was like no way this is the is garbage there's there's no need for this so that is one of the time in on that thanks guys love the show grand sight you know from someone who is directly involved with how they deal with this stuff yeah and an apple also put this argument forward that the company the phone that is in question is a company phone so the company could have installed some software on there that would allow them to hack it if you know the maybe the employee was terminated or something then they get the phone back then they can hack it and get get their phone back working and everything so apples been saying you guys missed your opportunity to do this yeah so that that's also another one of their arguments you know it's it's very it's crazy here's another thing because we talked about a lot about this last week and there's been a little a lot of little nuggets that have come during this time I don't know if we I don't think we talked about this on last week's show at least apple byte extra crunchy but one of the other things that stuck out about this case is that it was reported and confirmed by BuzzFeed that when government officials actually acquired this phone right they asked Apple to build a backdoor in it but one of the things that the government officials did is once they had this phone they actually you know they probably tried to get into it with some sort of password guessing but they decided to on their own reset the actual iCloud password for this phone now what this potentially does is that Apple said look you guys actually reset the phone's password which pretty much kind of like resets its connection in case they were true they could have tried or attempted to make a backup an iCloud an automated iCloud backup of your phone whenever you're connected to Wi-Fi if that setting is on auto backup is prompted and potentially this is not guaranteed but they potentially could have pulled some more information that they needed from this auto iCloud backup but it didn't trigger because guess why they changed the password on the phone just like a and it's this has been confirmed right so that so that's that's bugaboot number one or actually I'm a number number whatever mr hundred number one hundred number a bunch right then the other thing is this whole story was around around the idea of like the FBI just one to get access to this one phone right Apple help us with this one phone well a wall street journal reports that the department is also currently it's been brought to light they've been seeking to force Apple to extract their data from about 12 other phones yeah and the other phones the other phones are criminal cases that are not terrorist related so you know it's like they're setting a precedent just to get in everyone's phone this is already showing us what is going to happen right it hasn't even happened yeah I know it's like it's setting the precedent already like apples just gonna argue like this is everyone's gonna you know they're all going to not trust us because we're gonna allow the government to get into everyone's phone and that's that's their main argument here so and I get it there is an 18 minute window of time that FBI officials are trying to use to see what is happening I I completely see both sides of the argument I see the person who's here listening and saying i'd rather have national security I don't care about this let them into the phone just do it right but this is more than just Apple this is more than national security versus our privacy to me it also alludes to the fact that look if something happens where Apple has to create a backdoor it sets a precedent for other companies have to create basically a softer form of encryption on our devices right yeah weaker encryption that doesn't make just us vulnerable to the FBI but what about other countries that are looking for backdoors into our products and to get information from us as Americans into the government this sets a larger precedent than just privacy versus security you can have Russia you can have China demanding Apple open phones for them you know it's it's weaker encryption is bad yeah it endangers everyone it's like a Pandora's box you know it's it's just it's a very dangerous things the other thing that I'm thinking about is okay people have access to email like the FBI has been able to access emails and phone numbers okay that can track most of what you're doing right yeah if they were using third-party apps which is actually pretty smart haha that people do yeah I'm like oh well yeah that would be that would be that would be a lot you know more difficult to to get that information for sure but from what I've seen in this case they've the people who did this have been caught the people who were accessories to it haven't caught or or killed themselves right yeah so we know what happened someone wrote to me and said wouldn't you if one of those people that were killed in the hospital where was a family member you know would that would that change how you feel about this but honestly taking a step back does it change quite honestly me as a human does it change the outcome that one of my loved ones died the people that did this are also dead and they caught the person who is part of the crime I mean I'm more worried about I'm letting I'm wording on just like letting that loss heal itself and these people you know have they been brought to justice they're dead what can you do right yeah I can't control that yeah it's that I can't control what happened in today this is a larger statement on life and I'm going on a tangent I really feel like because of how things are we can't control what happens in you and I might be in the wrong place at the wrong time and I can't do anything about that so I'm not gonna freak out about it yeah it's just there's so many tragedies that are happening around us it's just life now so it wouldn't change my mind yes I would still want Apple to keep these phones secure yeah it's a long way to go around it but I kind of wanted to follow the connect the dots to let you know what we're thinking what I'm thinking if I had to put myself in this situation you're not alone Brian's we have some polls later in the show but a lot of people agree with some some people agree some people don't right so for all of you watching you know I'm really curious to hear what you say I'm gonna try to at least look at these comments and see if we can just chime in with what some of you are saying but we do while we do that we're going to look at a poll from the Pew Research Center and this was sent out across you know across the board across the u.s. right there a large company that does research like this to get the pulse of what is America thinking right yeah what what what do they think about this so here are the results about half of app of about half of the respondents according this pew research say Apple should unlock a terror suspects phone so 51% d50 51-percent said Apple should definitely unlock this phone now again I don't know how the questions were exactly presented but okay thirty-eight percent said Apple should not unlock the phone eleven percent were twiddling their thumbs and said don't know I don't know this is not a hard survey I know but I mean it is a tough question i mean it is not when if when the story first broke i was going back and forth yeah they should unlock it wait no they shouldn't you once you learn more information you know your mind sort of changes so yeah so the general public is kind of split on this issue yeah and then they even broke this they even broke these poles down like Republican versus Democrat it's like a 50-50 in that too and people who own iPhones as opposed to people who don't iPhones don't own iPhones and it was 50-54 there too I mean it's pretty much split right down the country on what we should do about this I was reading on our feet a periscope someone said Apple should just give them the passcode to the phone but we want to kind of re-educate everyone in Apple never actually knows the passcode it is specific to the physical phone and it is coded to the hardware basically whatever number that I punch in only the phone knows that Apple never sees that Apple never knows that so that's why Apple can't just give them a passcode Apple if they break into this phone they break into every phone exactly so that's the problem so if apple store these pass codes they would you know who knows if they would how hard they would fight to give them over but the fact that any company owns the passcode that's a no-no that's just bad yeah that's that does not secure our privacy yeah and they got in big trouble about this like couple years ago when there were keystrokes being stored in the phones you know and they got they got rid of that right away once people figured that out so we don't I'm sorry some of you might disagree but we did we don't want the government to have the key to every one of our houses which they / kind of almost already they're doing stuff behind the scenes out we don't even know where see like reports from last we talked about they were actually they were releasing tweaked versions of Apple software they could follow keystrokes on the phones like they were doing stuff like that already so I mean they I am NOT against being secure and safe don't get me wrong but there is a matter of personal privacy that has to be part of this whole equation so I keep making this really dark analogy in my head that I don't I don't know like I don't know if let me know if it works but I keep thinking like the iphone is almost like an appendage to your body sort of you know what I mean like it contains very very important information so like if you have your if you get your thumb cut off you lose the fingerprint you lose that you lose that piece of evidence right yeah it's gone there's nothing you to ever do about it and I've been thinking about the same the iphone in the same way if it's locked it's gone there's nothing you can do about it and that's that's just the way life is yes I know it is weird for some people I'm sure someone has implanted an iphone on their body somewhere I mean oh yeah that's right there's no there's every I'm ready we've been trying to find that guys are we've been trying to find that guy he's out there she he or she find honestly so this is a great conversation I this is the biggest story of 2016 without a doubt oh yeah right at the beginning of the year it's fascinating it's going to continue and move in different directions so I'm just happy that we can actually talk about kind of something smarter yea rather just lie sighs Oh which which leads us directly to our next story perfect you want bezels we got bezels so a report we're gonna transition out of this and again feel free to call us before we do this feel free to call us at one eight hundred 61 62 63 eight leave us your name where you're from and your thoughts on this or any other questions you have i mean this is a great time to be able to have a great dialogue with all of you and again i don't think there's a wrong answer i think there's so many sides to this story that's what makes it fascinating to me okay let's talk about bezels right weird i'ma no high-level conversation let's bring it back down a little let's bring man according to 9to5 mac they have acquired iPhone 5se drawings and renderings that indicate the iPhone 5se surprise surprise we nearly identical to the iPhone 5s I mean come on who who thought any different the main difference is that we've been able to find from these renders these are from a case maker the actual thickness of the phone will reportedly be exactly the same as well as the dimensions so your iphone 5s case could fit this iPhone 5se the main difference is is that the power button which is typically at least with the iphone 5s located on that top corner which I love you loved you only gonna love it no more they're putting it back on the side oh man they're putting it back on the side i miss my iphone 5 man this iphone 6s I hate it oh no I think that's a lie no I mean it works its functional it's just too big that's not my only but I sense just to yeah exactly but yeah it's too big and I don't like the button on the side cuz when i try to turn it off i accidentally hit the volume buttons and then nothing happened i will tell you two things you um just just brace for Stevie you'll get used to the size all right also though I'm gonna tell you these larger screen iPhones I know if you there there's actually some condition I was talking to some um my lady about this like you guys have that pinky pain stress ah that's what I'm so no I'm straight up I'm serious because it's so large look at you actually have this thing we're like our pinkies are starting like um yeah like been differently because of because of we're holding our phones like like this like yeah like I'm serious like look at look at okay my hand like non-flex why is my pinky and so much why like non-flat what's going on here shouldn't be like should I be able to go like this and be like totally flat but it's not it's like crooked y'all human humans gonna evolve to have screwed up pinky this is gonna be a bummer I thought the evolution the iphone was gonna help us create I SEPs right like developed this muscle right here on the soft partier like I like cuz always liked a pin right did you ever get sore thumbs when you first oh my god yeah I was building I SEPs I don't feel that pain anymore so I'm pretty might those are but now the pinky thing dude is it feels weird like right if I wiggle it right now I can already feel like they're stress it feels weird is different right don't tell anyone right now you're you're dead right man I have the same pinky stress right now this is real talk everybody real talk anyways a I will say though I'm curious what happens to the iPhone 5se they're putting in a 9 processor in it that's the rumor so it's pretty much up to speed with the current success I know yeah we'll see an iphone 7 which would be a little faster but I do agree that people have you know people are riding on here that there is kind of still a market for someone who loves the 4-inch phone oh yeah my god like seriously back I would seriously seriously it's not bad you might may go back to blame my hand you might go back now that whole pink you think it's like I'm feeling right now like I hate that I hate that so much okay um in other phone talk just to kind of wet your appetite of what people are talking about the galaxy s7 just recently announced showcase at Mobile World Congress according to display mate don't don't worry iphone fans you might cry it is the best the OLED display is the best display on the phone to date samsung's oled display specifically on the s7 really now here's the other thing I don't know if any of you saw the Mobile World Congress keynote but Mark Zuckerberg came out and was talking about VR and gear VR and he outright said because of OLED displays and the refresh rate and the way they're able to showcase visuals it is the it is the screen of choice for VR it's the new standard right Apple's using LCD screens different types of LCD screen still but you know you want your VR yeah I have a gear VR hook I have a gear VR set up and you know unless I I've used google cardboard and iphone i guess we need to compare the same exact source and really see like how much different does it really feel does it make a difference but you know oh let advantages are there we got out of there like a VR shootout like what has the best resolution all we're gonna have to come up with new testing test ways to test these things get too here's also how I see it okay all of a sudden Apple there's reports that apple will be bringing OLED screens in 2018 ah that's where they are they're waiting for the technology to mature yeah right right to be right to be ready for the market so here look the some of the differences that stand out is that display mate notes that lcds remain more power efficient especially when display mostly white content right so text on a white background but OLEDs are more power efficient with more typical mixed image content right color imagery like beautiful stuff that we like to see also do they get this Oh LED get hot um how do I don't know if it gets hotter I do know that it's it's an actual thinner display as well right right look at Samsung was able to keep their galaxy s7 just the same thickness but waterproof it as well without taking anything it's like come on now that's pretty cool come on that's cool so I'm just saying oh let OLED 2018 OLED 2018 baby all right just some quick stuff going on in the OS stuff we talked about a few episodes ago how there was that January one 1970 bug where have you set the date and you were real jerky and you put that date on someone's phone II would pretty much like brick the phone well the latest iOS 9.3 beta that has been released has cured has resolved that issue nice so you know don't be doing that to someone's phone that's just not cool oh don't don't do that okay that's that's what's happening there another iOS 9.3 beta kind of thing that came up Apple has responded a lot of people were using their iPad pros right there pencil and you can navigate the iPad pro with it iOS 9.3 beta came out and removed that ability for the pencil to navigate your ipad pro basically your pencil can no longer be a stylish now that's got to be knowing so you're like getting used to something like you got this new toy or you're using it all the time all of a sudden like oh wait it doesn't work anymore Oh Apple took that away yeah and everyone's like what's going on today like they're freaking out their pencil can no longer be used as a stylist don't call it a stylus right don't call the stylus so Apple responded to the Virgin told them that they're working on improvements it will return the navigation capable of the pencil to be used like a stylist will come back it's not a site it's not a stylist so in the next beta right but they said it will roll out once 9.3 actually comes out it'll it'll support okay now navigation clicking on apps I mean how could you in a weird way though you almost could see Apple deliberately say no this is a pencil you're only gonna be able to use it and drawn out I hate you all yeah that's true I can totally see that right anyways that's also happening and then finally this from 9to5 mac Cirie for the mac is planned to be one of the kind of key temple features in OA I sorry at OS 10 10.2 this according to 9to5 mac they've been working on it since 2012 the much like spotlight appears in that top right-hand menu bar you could click on it and then talk to your surgery I you'll be able to talk to Syria there will also be a keystroke that allows the Serie problem to come up we haven't seen this in anything like windows with Cortana I've never seen this before yeah but I love Cortana Cortana is actually really nice yeah so it's going to be it's one of the new kind of nuggets of news that came out so far that's great so I say let's hit our calls let's hit the couch going on all right all right so last week we had this contest to say switz switch I can't even say the perfumery Swiss you can't work smart watch shit wait was all worth it Swiss watch shipment Swiss watch save it okay you know swish Swiss watch shipments five times faster some people call them and attempted one guy failed even though he thought he won let's listen to tear it out Charles yo Brian Wood up Charles Washington from Detroit Michigan baby and I got the Swiss watch challenge five times fast swiss watch swiss watch swiss watch swiss watch swiss watch boom yo shout out to the detroit pistons yo and steph curry sucks i'm out oh ok first of all Charles watch it blew the whole of Charles Charles first up you suck ok Charles my man he in my you know he's cool he tweeted means and I just killed it like right I'm really yo he said I just killed it so proud so he was so on it Charles my man it was Swiss watch shipments not Swiss watch swiss watching suicide like fast also he said steph curry suck I'm sorry did you watch the miami game Steph Curry hit two 3-pointers when they were behind in the last minute and the Warriors the doves one ok Steph girl 51 in five we clearly suck he was hanging out with Obama the other day he played at Augusta National played a golf rounded clear Elise hey just cuz you digest Jessica we the best just cuz the Detroit Pistons beat the Warriors on an off night that you be happy that was your that was your NBA Finals Charles I'm sorry though I'm not trying to rip on you but Charles you didn't do the contest right you just didn't do it call back and try again all right next up okay here's the next one let me turn off the mic so everyone can hear okay we want the Paris covers to hear switch watch hips it swish watch him and twist watch him and Swiss watch him it's just what's he got three of them he got some reason he did dude he didn't tell us his name it he just don't write any just went for it he did it he was just do is I hated you that was two attempts actually two different attempts that I just played okay he won whoever that is thank you call us back and tell us you oh wait he won I think he did he did three is five but he's the only guy who was able to if there's no winner there's no winner okay no winner no winner hey there are no tongue laying down the law man what I I gotta I gotta be a man of my word I my integrity is at stake here respect that it's like okay alright here's our last call from a big fan here hey Brian hey Steven extraordinaire it's here from Adelaide Australia Judah apple releasing the ipad 3 earlier this year what do you think they'll be releasing in october november time all right love to show keep on Apple biting we will keep on Apple by Jordan this is come on what do you think ipad pro two ipad pro 2 and I'll do it too ipad feel my face man that Jam was pretty good i was good that song comes on i think about that's it that's that's what I'm good my friends are like to do you screwed it up for me I know I keep on thinking of your stupid video now yeah it's cuz you did such an awesome job putting that together man thanks um it was fun we always love to collab I actually got another one for you but just like it wrote like a 30 second thing not like a not a two minute okay okay we'll talk we'll talk so uh Jordan yeah iPad pro too many maybe around the same time but ipad air three expected in march along with the iPhone 5se along with some apple watch bands and maybe maybe another something else that might surprises i don't know what we'll find out though March fifteenth is the rumored date for apples next announcement it has not been yet confirmed so we'll wait and see what happens cool all right I think that I think that's a rapper thing that is a wrap okay coming at all so anyways again if you guys want to be a part of the show just call us it's the old like use a phone like the old days 1 800 61 62 63 8 i'm brian Tong he's Steven beach on Stevens say goodbye to the people later guys very much for watching you you