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Wi-Fi is something you don't really think about until you don't have to or you don't have it and it's not working properly videos buffering you've got Wi-Fi dead zones everyone is home for the holidays guess what they're fighting for your Wi-Fi so when did you last upgrade your Wi-Fi at home if you just want better Wi-Fi everywhere check out orbeez Wi-Fi system from Netgear with or b you'll enjoy super strong fast and more reliable home Wi-Fi from your basement to your backyard from the basement to the yard oh my v world get or be that's Oh are bi Wi-Fi system from Netgear visit Netgear comm slash or b that's ORV i yo beat let's get to the show hello everybody on the planet earth my name is stephen beach and producer for the Apple byte extra crunchy podcast with your host mr. Brian Tong what's up everybody welcome to the show it is episode 113 Apple byte extra crunchy keeping it Monty we've got all you munchies in the chat rooms going off right now we also want to let you know just if you want to be a part of this amazing show because you're the ones that make it pop call us whenever you want any time of the day something pops from your mind you're like in this you know when you do your best thinking in the shower I'm not saying think about it's in the shower but you might be I know some of y'all are like that but just call us same type of people are the people that are like Google sucks Samsung sauce they're like on one platform they don't think that there's anything else better out there and I'm like there's amazing shows there's so many like legit free movies like I'm stupid I've paid for I just paid to watch or to rent a rival maybe like two weeks ago and then I turned on thinks Amazon Prime for getting the app out late I turn on Amazon Prime videos app and guess what's one of the free videos because I'm a Prime member arrival Oh bro I watched that weeks ago yeah yeah that's on Amazon Prime it like they have awesome documentaries - there's a lot of great stuff on Amazon kids kids TV shows a lot of them so I usually my boy Gil Cabrera loves Grand Tour season two coming out from the guys the top tier family I mean that's that's worth watching if you're into that I know I think Amazon Prime was the first to roll out the wire one of the greatest TV shows of all time in HD on their service as well so just kind of cool stuff like that anyways check it out I want to know if you guys like it or not but there's plenty free content is free content I don't know what anyone's complaining about yeah what's what's the problem here also um updates to TV OS flew in here we have TV OS 11.2 what does that help do the cool thing is that the Apple TV now does right with this TV OS the am sorry I'm jumping around a second the Amazon Prime video app supports 4k and HDR content which is cool and also it is plugged into Apple's kind of up next feature in the TV app and if those of you are like what is the TV app Apple has this kind of like the watch app that queues up apps that are connected like anything you watch on iTunes movies or TV shows things from like the CW app and certain apps that are plugged in the Amazon Prime video app is plugged in it'll show you where you left off on your most recent shows and videos and movies and then you can jump into it it's weird that they call it the TV app because you watch movies and TVs on the TV app I always found it just be a confusing name they shouldn't even call it that cause something different yeah I don't know it's kind of confusing yeah also no longer confusing the actual Apple TV app is now available for users in the UK France and Germany that wasn't the case initially it rolled out in the US and then I believe Australia was getting it early as well but this comes down to like rights in different companies and distribution for content UK France and Germany almost a year after Apple announced the service it's now available for you guys on your Apple TV I'm surprised about that I know they aren't happy about their own plenty of bad apples already the other thing that I did jump ahead to accidentally is with TV OS 11.2 we saw a lot of software updates this week we will get to more of that but TV OS 11.2 brings a couple new features to the Apple TV as well there's this new HDR feature and framerate feature basically in the video settings you can select to match the original content and what was happening in the first run of Apple TVs about 2 months ago when they first launched it content that was not an HDR that was like maybe even something like watching Batman The Dark Knight through an app because it wasn't an HDR it was it was trying to kind of artificially create this high dynamic range and the images were really blown out it looked really crappy so now you can actually choose for it to match the content which is a good thing you want to switch that on and then the other feature you have is to match the framerate and that's also important because then content that is shown will show in its native framerate that makes a difference when you're watching you know TV shows to movies and other types of content whether it's on YouTube or whatnot so that that's good to know all although YouTube still doesn't show 4k content on the Apple TV that they need to fix that ASAP still cannot watch 4k content on YouTube what are they doing aren't they in like a little battle right now YouTube and was it YouTube and who was on it was Amazon YouTube sorry my bad yeah YouTube and Amazon are pooping on each other I mean right now YouTube is not allowing fire TV products to get access to the YouTube app anymore it basically doesn't work because Amazon is being a d-bag and they're not selling Google home and I believe they're not selling the nest as well but definitely they're not selling Google home products which stream video so they're just like basically pissed off at each other because they're both dumb they should just make it happen but they app they did a similar thing with Apple when they were promoting their fire TVs Amazon took off Apple TVs and chromecast that's from Amazon and prevented them from being sold and then basically trying to force people to be like oh the fire TV platform is the only one that's out there yeah we're smarter than that so people complain and then Apple TV and chromecast and it actually notes at least Apple TV is back on the Amazon storefront so yeah I'm still waiting for Amazon to get chromecast support and I feel like that's never gonna happen you know so I guess I have to get a fire TV but whatever don't you have a fire already I have like I don't have I don't have a fire TV but I have a Kindle and you know I'm pry and all that stuff I'll play you're all play you're in the Amazon you cuz it's Chloe well I mean all of them man I to or you know Apple Google Amazon I'm in all of them like a little bit in each of them what about Netflix how you still not on Netflix right no no but I'm accepting Netflix Netflix gifts for Christmas I am accepting that hey check this out this is the first time I've ever heard this comment in the periscope chatroom i'll Rosato v says there's a skunk on my head first time I've ever heard that alright let's get into iPhone news this one's kind of cool not not a surprise because this has happened multiple years Flickr posted their top devices of 2017 based on what devices are posting obviously the great photos it's kind of flickers year-in-review the top device types in 2017 number one taking 50% of that chunk is smartphones number 2 at 33% DSLR cameras number 3 at 12% point-and-shoot cameras well probably isn't probably my mom and a number four and number four at 4% mirrorless cameras which are on the rise without a doubt you've got like the Sony a7 line and and up mirrorless cameras are on the rise and are amazing but they haven't become like buzz worthy to the general consumer yet if you want to talk about the top brands in 2017 using Flickr 54% of users posting photos were Apple 23% were Canon and 18% were Nikon hmm so this is really just a Android in there or Google or anything huh yeah it didn't make that a topless and I think the perception has been also if you think about it it's not that it could be Android it would be like Samsung Google LG right they didn't clump them together because that's not how they're identifying them in this survey but you know there's been this idea for years and it was true that the iPhone had the best camera but I think now you could argue in a lot of different ways different you know depending on what you're looking for in a camera the LGB 30 arguably has the most control you'll find in a camera the Google pixel to camera has the best overall sensor I even like how the pixel handles portrait mode better than the iPhone in many cases but it again it comes down it just depends but look these are all great cameras it kind of just comes down to what you're looking for I mean you guys in the chat might have a different idea but at least according to Flickr the Apple platform is the number one used top percentage of photographers at 54% it's kind of cool that's cool kind of kind of interesting in other iPhone news that I wish came earlier sim-free iPhones unlocked sim-free iPhone tens are now available from the Apple online store in the US this is a big deal everyone was looking for unlocked phones guess what they ended up just aligning with the carrier that they wanted and so that's how the carriers were able to kind of benefit from that because if you get an unlocked phone you're buying it directly from Apple it's not dealing with any carriers and people were frustrated about that there were kind of ways to go around that if you were right technically a Verizon and sprint phones really more with Verizon you could essentially buy it sign up for like a three gig data plan if you didn't already and then cancel that plan and then you could use that phone with other carriers I think the main advantage here though to let people know is the unlocked version of the phone includes the Qualcomm modem and we've talked about on this show about the Intel modem performance versus the Qualcomm modem performance how it first was an issue in 2000 or sorry with the iPhone 7 and there's gonna be a lot of you that say who cares you guys are only making a big deal about this I don't think it's a big deal I think it's actually important to know that once one I guess type of version of the phone actually without a doubt there's no doubt about it performs better because of the modem inside Apple has had this ongoing legal battle with Qualcomm they complain that Qualcomm's pricing was gout they were price gouging them Qualcomm says Apple is throttling down their mode of performance so it wasn't as good and at the same time Apple has every right to try and get their phones similar in performance with each other but you got to check out this article from PC Mag they did an exclusive with cellular insights this is a company that broke down the performance of the Intel versus Qualcomm modems in the iPhone 7 and ultimately the data came back and Qualcomm's iPhone 10 modems still outpaces Intel now what they're basically testing here is the speed of the LTE band for download speeds that you have and in most cases when as they're reducing the signal power and basically the signals getting weaker you'll see how the Qualcomm modem is always just edging the Intel modem which is alright but then when it comes down some really really weak signals and this is what I remember feeling from day one when I got the iPhone 7 places where I had one bar or two bars of signal I was able to easily get a signal in my previous like iPhone 6 is and all that but in San Francisco specific once I got to those areas with the iPhone 7 there are times where I couldn't even get a signal or little-to-no LTE data anymore and then reports had later come out that there were two different modems the same thing is happening with the iPhone 10 and ultimately if you want the best performing and it's not gonna change be a big big difference but it does still make a difference oh yeah it does still make a difference the Qualcomm power to Intel modem is part number a one eight six five that's sold by Sprint Verizon and US Cellular and the Intel based modems part number a one nine zero one are from AT&T and t-mobile so the third model is a one 902 is only sold in Japan but those are Intel based modems so that's just the bottom line I'm not trying to like make you feel bad like you have a crappy iPhone you don't well maybe you do but you don't have a bad iPhone it's just that there's gonna be the slight differences that are noticeable specifically when you have when you're in a lower signal area so just something to chew on yeah I've definitely noticed my phone struck like I had better reception on like the iPhone 5 than I did with the iPhone 6 I felt like you know like I felt like I'm losing connectivity especially like going across the Bay Bridge every day and stuff like there's definitely dead spots on the Bay Bridge that I would notice more now that I have this phone so yeah I mean it's hard to say but you know this is clear representation of that and I'm curious if people are you know we talked about on the show and people don't dispute us on that either because I feel that the listeners and the viewers are experiencing similar things and it's just something that you just know about and I'm not gonna get all mad and shake my fist at Apple because I have I'm on AT&T like that it is what it is I'm gonna move on but it's something that we should just point out and let people know you know yeah that's all because this is kind of like a little more nitty-gritty inside baseball stuff compared to what we do on our normal show alright let's go over to talk about Apple pay cash finally rolled out this week very cool I noticed a lot of people that I know haven't even activated the actual feature like you have to flip the switch on to get Apple pay cash turned on people kind of made fun of me because on my Twitter I told them about my experience I had never I don't care if people say shame on you I never turned on two-factor authentication on my phone so I had to do that but also I did like type in my the last four digits of my social security number then I had to scan my driver's license front and back and then enter in my entire social security number I was like what why and I know it's because you're technically with Apple pay cash creating an actual like you're actually kind of trading like they're your another credit card but it was weird for me to be like do I really want to do this and I just yeah yeah that's like venmo you just like you just log into your bank account like you think at all like sets itself up and like what is a PayPal is kind of similar so I that feels weird having to put in your social security and all that stuff and I get it it's because you're getting authorized for a new card essentially that I'm not gonna really use and people in the chatroom just said yeah no Apple pay cash in Canada like stop complaining but I had to put a lot of my info in there in order to flip the switch and then the best the funniest thing about it is I have not other than testing it once or twice for fun I still have yet to use Apple pay cash but I've already used been mode three times oh so you know venmo if people are used to it it's more Universal the platform's their Apple Capac Apple pay cash is only available in the US and only iOS so it's it's obviously limited right now they're hoping to expand it but don't tell me that iOS is gonna just Apple pay cash is gonna take over all of a sudden I wonder if that's gonna do like a check on your credit report you know like when you get a new credit card they have to check your credit report so I'm wondering if your credit report is affected at all by that well if I get tonight in a week or so and they say oh yeah sorry are bad then I'll let that'll tell you how good my credit report is way way it didn't happen right away like you did it I got a I got a st. if they like decide to take it back or or Apple watch it this shows like let's look and let's look in the system I mean I wouldn't put it past them we're gonna revoke his credit revoke my credit okay check this out Apple says they posted this on their developer website oh I owe s11 is now installed on 59% of devices of iOS devices which is you know Apple has always had great adoption rates I'm going to also say if people could revert back to iOS 10 on their earlier iPhones they would but they kit a lot of them can and it can be tricky and it's kind of a pain in the ass and it's not always it's not always like oh and you can't just flip the switch you got to do a couple things to even get back to that point um but here's the thing like this iOS 11 we've talked about it before and I need a reinforces iOS 11 is the buggiest iOS we have ever seen hands down and it just continues I'm gonna do a little we're gonna do a little history check and this is only this is week after week bug after bug I talked about it but here I can break down the bugs specifically so you so just to put it out in a list and you guys and gals could be like wow this is horrible alright so we had I Oh s 11 rollout in iOS 11 had the eye bug that was where the letter I was auto corrected to like an A with a space with a question mark or an exclamation mark and it was affecting people for a long time so they had that bug hey guess what they released app you know a fix to iOS 11.1 but guess what they weren't over don't there's another one good there's another one so then Apple had this whole crack Wi-Fi vulnerability that gave access to you know your network and potential files so then they had to update point 1.1 that so 11 point 1.1 you'd be like all right we're good and this is like week after week some of these were within days of each other eleven point one point one had the it and is bug where for some people if you typed it in what's up Belgium if you typed it in it would autocorrect it to I dot T or I dot s so guess what do we want another patch of course we want another patch eleven point one point two came out so what happened with that one I want to hear another one another one thank you eleven point one point two was out for this cold weather fix remember people's phones won't work in the cold yeah all right people's phones working in the cold eleven point one point to fix that then a new another bug popped up another look eleven point two was released early because there was a looping bug that would cause basically phones to loop and potentially crash once December the second hit okay so eleven point two was pushed out early to fix that bug but what did that cause everyone's like I got eleven point two I'm supposed to have Apple pay cash Apple pay cash was delayed and rolled out later which came out this week and the reason why is because they needed a fix the December 2nd loop bug so they pushed out eleven point two quick but we're still not done we're still love them yes what another one oh my gosh eleven point two has this zero day iOS homekit vulnerability that allows people to get remote access through iOS eleven point two to your smart accessories so we're time I like locks lights it doesn't stop and Apple has acknowledged this and Apple is going to address this in a future fix but yeah I'm just I'm just gonna wait for the next one dude that's because it's coming okay good good good I still am on ten man my wife went to eleven she's reporting all kinds of issues and you know the first two that you spoke about the you know the letters the eye bugs yeah those were like massive public visible embarrassing bugs right I mean like it's all over twin I still see it like people who haven't updated their phones I still see it that's a huge one I mean it's so it's so silly too but then just this whole string of them happening at all in succession I thought my job was stressful but whoever's working on iOS 11 Apple probably has the most stressful job right now well I remember I'd like someone at my police officer or someone in the military or something you know I remember a couple years ago there were stories how about there was a mass exodus of talent in relationship to security and software and and specifically bug issues and I don't know if this is directly linked to that I I have to assume it's part of that it's part of having new employees that may not be as familiar with iOS and it's nuances look I can't do this but I to here that list of bug after bug after bug and them being bugs that are so significant that you had to release an update after update after update after update like we had eleven eleven point one eleven point one point one eleven point one point one point two eleven point two so we're probably have like eleven point two one I hope we don't have an eleven point two to eleven point two three like you know it's it sounds ridiculous it's funny I'm watching the chatroom and Zoey Wakasa I'm not sure where he's from but he puts in he put in just like the bug number it's like eleven point two point oh one point zero one one point zero one one one this is where we're at now Apple world come on Apple biters you can't stand it's depressing so I'm in a bad apple I'm just depressed about it's like oh my gosh this is what it's coming to alright let's take a little breather we're gonna talk about some future future iPhone stuff after this break but we got to think another sponsor in the house champ software today's show is brought to you by Jam now Apple's device management can be time-consuming work especially if IT isn't your 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straight up they literally use it as a tool and they also just happen to sponsor this dope show called the Apple byte extra crunchy in their regular sponsors too which is great they keep coming back so think well you know why because people listen to the show surprise like I'm not even surprised I mean I wouldn't listen to me I would listen to you but not me no no one comes to listen to me they want to listen to you dude after we do these shows I don't talk to anyone cuz it's like I don't want to hear my voice no I'm serious it's like you're like shut it you're like just you want to tell yourself to just shut up give yourself some silent treatment that's for it's for everyone's benefit all right let's check this out I'm just kind of some new we're always having new future iPhone what is coming out what could be coming out we heard the reports from a min Chico at digit times a couple weeks ago how the next idea or thinking or planning from Apple is to release three iPhone models in 2018 that will be roughly based off of the pretty much design wise look like the current iPhone 10 there will be three sizes a 5.8 inch iPhone which is the current one a 6.1 inch LCD based I phone and then a 6.5 inch larger OLED model that can be thought of like the iPhone 10 plus but we'll see what they call it I don't know if they're gonna call it the iPhone XS iPhone 11 who knows we'll see we'll find out we'll play the guessing game later but this new report says that again from being Chi quo that next year's new iPhone tens or whatever they call them could feature up to 10 percent more battery if Apple and LG Chem are able to deploy this one cell design battery now we know that in the iPhone 10 there's kind of this l-shaped battery that enabled them to use more space and to bring more battery life I still think the iPhone 10's battery runs faster than my previous iPhone 7 it just does I think it does it's doing so many things that it doesn't I don't feel on a day to day that I get better battery life out of my iPhone 10 I could be wrong maybe I'm different you think it's it's it's using all its energy faster you're saying I feel like my battery goes down about an hour or two quicker than I mean more like an hour clicker than it normally did but maybe just cuz you know I'm taking a lot of selfies with a portrait portrait mode I'm gonna blame portrait mode but anyways this new report because right now the l-shaped battery in the current iPhone 10 is - 2 batteries basically they're it's 2 cells they're saying that they could optimize this and give us more battery juice if they are able to create a singular l-shaped single cell battery and that is what the goal is for sometime in 2018 we'll see but again these are power-hungry devices they do more than they've ever done before which is cool but at the same time it just give me the juice is loose I wish the number one innovation that I want to see is in battery tech I want someone if Apple gave us a freaking iPhone that lasted three days or two days even let's just say legitimately two days straight I think people would pee themselves oh yeah this battery looks kind of funny too it looks you know it looks kind of hacked together a little bit it does and you want to hear another I want to hear another rumor huh with the iPhone 3 iPhones released in 2018 and two of them are expected like we talked about to be OLED models with one of them being the LCD model which we also joked about how lower pixel per inch and I said I called it the iPhone blurry and people were legitimately offended by that they called me names they didn't like made it yeah they're like Oh PPI it's not even that much blurrier you guys are just full of blue oh go back to blah blah blah ladyboy you know I get it all I don't even now bad oh I think it's funny I'll I mean honestly bring it I all I do is then I just comment on their crappy YouTube profile pics like some dude was like complaining about my shirt and then he wore this like his picture was him in a suit with like a clown tie like it was so big it looks so bad I just had a comment on it I'm like thanks for the fashion advice nice clown tie it was like then he was probably like oh my god Brian Tom commented on my youtube video anyways back to the show back to and we're getting distracted by commenters I need to focus drawers someone right in the chat room just said trolls with citing a source close to the company's product designs Nikkei Nikkei the Asian outlet says that the LCD model could feature a metal back like the iPhone 7 - plus I would see like yesterday that they're talking about going back to metal I'll bring in metal back hey you know I don't want all that crappy glass hey I just made that up I don't even know what I'm doing cuz as soon as in now it's like the Glatt the back of the iPhones gonna be glass everyone's like well I'm just gonna break him yeah like what the hell now does the metal does having a metal back help with antenna you know catching signals of room in the antenna I mean it really comes down to the wire of the intent I think the thing that a metal back prevents though is a wireless charging you kind of need a glass conductive surface to be able to be like if it's depending on the type of metal it won't it won't be able to get to charge through that I see hence the glass vacuums of these devices so we will see we will see but that's just another rumor that's been thrown out right now cool cool cool all right I just wanted to do a little rest in peace just you know pour some liquor out for the Mack the 2011 Mac Mini is now Apple has added it to their models of its vintage and obsolete product list Wow the 2011 mid mid 2011 Mac Mini look we haven't seen a Mac Mini update I think in almost like three years and I Tim Cook did respond to an email a few months ago that the Mac Mini was still an important part of our product lineup even though we haven't done anything with it for three years because they completely ignored the Mac and thought everyone just wanted a superpower supercharged $5,000 iMac pro that's I that's what they're doing right now and it clearly showed what they were thinking and remember they had to go back and say okay we're gonna make a modular customizable Mac Pro in the future when this year guess what came out and you know this products been worked on for at least two three years because that's how they plan ahead their vision of the new pro Mac was an iMac Pro sad without any customized availability for PCI cards for audio for capture like everything you could think of for high-end pro users more expandable slots for memory so at least for the Mac Mini we're gonna pour a little shoutout to goodbye my Mac Mini goodbye Mac Mini your your 2011 to some slow fades you're so good all right you're so good we got it we gave them we canvassed do proper send-off proper setup all right in the last story before we get to our awesome calls y'all ready for this new emojis Oh everyone loves emojis there's no one that now everyone doesn't love an emojis not yeah yet but everyone loves emojis so check this out the Unicode consortium published what are the proposed emojis that will be coming in 2018 these are not confirmed yet they basically throw up a long list I think even if you um I think if you click on that link that says the announced or whatnot I can't remember so linked there's a second link in the document that I have I believe candidates for inclusion it shows a long long list of all the proposed ones but some of them include like a softball a cupcake I want I have always wondered where a cupcake is cuz I don't know if like you guys like like the cupcake your girl you'd be like oh why you cupcake in me you know close and flirty like oh I want a cupcake you a cupcake cute yeah yeah I want you to come watch you cupcake your wife nice to be like be like what are you doing like I'm cupcaking I want to know what she says seriously can you do that for me I want to know should be like get away no yeah you know I kissing on a little the cheek and I'll be like oh what's up baby it's like Oh what are you doing like suck cupcake in me I don't see a use for the Swan the teddy bear maybe the teddy bear I don't see a use for the mango no use of the mango the mango yeah that that's cool but the sewing you know the other side there's thread they they are finally showing a redhead some love they're gonna release a redhead their proposed redhead emoji so all of you redheads that were furious about lack of representation in in the emoji world you you should expect to get that in 2018 gingers unite and then I also saw that you're gonna be able to spin emojis around so you can potentially potentially you're going to be able to reverse the direction of them because it kind of changes the context of like you know like I mean I'm not joking about but you know the gonna mode to you and you're like blank to blank or the traine emoji like you want to go a certain way or the running emoji like there's times where flipping the emoji is very important yeah that's innovation right there I want to flip the eggplant a specific way so it can be directed at a specific person yeah eggplant eggplant peach square score score that's important they're pointed in the right direction as the squirt and the peach the sad face poop I don't know about that one that one's looks kind of depressing to me well the only sad thing yeah what happened is they also have removed some of the emojis that were proposed and they may come back at a later time but the frowning poop emoji will not be part of 2018 guaranteed this should be part of 2017 I don't even know why you need to put a frown on a poop emoji like really yeah is it a poop emoji already crappy enough it is it's pretty crappy like is that like super crappy if you do like a frown poopoo face the poo poo the poo poo emoji is like it's a it's a cultural phenomenon because I know my kids are just they love it you know they have like little plushy poop emoji toys and stuff yeah it's really you know it's a big thing there's also I don't know if you have that initial emoji article I'll right now but I guess if at the very bottom of it it there's a part that talks about is 11.2 emoji changelog basically what they did is if you click on that they change the tumbler glass that has like some whiskey in it or scotch is actually scotch or whiskey oh I can't find it what was it called again um let me send you this right now so people that are watching can see it right so yeah I got it for you so basically this this posting is showing that they changed the tumbler glass on the ant has been given like a more cartoony look in on iOS 11.2 these are tweaks that they've done it has like a bigger booty and like a bigger head it looks like more cartoony and then the camera that they're using an iOS 11.2 is is less like a canon point shoot and more like a Leica camera it actually even looks more like an old-fashioned camera pointed shoot from back in the day so the globe has been tweaked a little there's just like little adjustments the fork and knife have been given a more metallic look like these are really important things that Apple is working on instead of all the bugs that are what did i OS freakin 11 yeah this is very important stuff your idea sheen on the silverware like a sheen now kind of congrats congrats to that Sheen your phone doesn't work in the cold yeah all right so I think we should just hit up our voicemails and see what the people got to say let's do it thank you guys for calling we had a few good voicemails this week let me remind ya 1-866 268 I think with the holiday season people are like trailing off but also we do get the most calls when huge product launches happen but I think there's a lot of stuff that's happening before the end of the year I did the iMac Pro is expected to come out by the end of the year so let us know what you think about just Apple in general right now are you feeling good about it going into 2018 or not I'm really curious about that yeah they're also supposed to get a big tax break man if that bill passes okay and then it affects the rest of the frickin world Oh fifty million dollar tax break or something to all the Ritchie Ritchie snow no give it to the people the people deserve another Ritchie's the people all right here number number one call number one hey Brian this is Andrew from Newtown Pennsylvania and I've had a quick question when is the nest going to come to home cat you know like if or when or give any ideas as to when it would come yeah no it's just really annoying me cuz I love the nest I know it's Google and everything but like there's no reason as to why it shouldn't be there considering I Apple has nothing like they don't have a thermostat that's and my other thing is how is the Amazon Prime what's up cuz oh yeah I'm prime already came yeah well he had everyone's been asking honestly the number one question I've been asked lately as when Amazon Prime video app is coming out so it came out in response to the nest obviously the Apple app works with or Apple's iOS system has an app but I've got assume he's talking about voice controlling it and being able to talk to it look it's a Google product and I don't expect them to make it play nice any time soon but we'll see I mean they did before it does work I use it through the app but I don't I use Alexa I'm on Amazon man I'm on the echo platform it is by far the best for any smart home devices so we'll see if they make it a little more friendly I don't know I don't expect it to though yeah Apple Google they they don't like each other they don't like each other okay next call David calling from Jersey love the show I can get the iPhone 10 if I want I get the 256 gig you know the one that's over $1,200 but then I was thinking you know what I can really use a new laptop instead why don't I get a new laptop instead of the ice one 10-1 seven-plus works just fine so if you had to get if you had the choice of getting any Apple laptops right now which one would you get within the same type of price that a fully loaded iPhone 10 would cost I went on the Apple website and I was looking at the different models and you know there was nothing there that really got me too excited so should I maybe go outside the Apple ecosystem and look at something else I use it laptop for a lot of different stuff I'm kind of a power user editing a lot of spreadsheets a lot of research a little bit of everything so it would have to be something pretty powerful and I noticed that you don't even get 16 gigs ram standard in any of these the MacBook Pros so you know should I be looking elsewhere what would you recommend well thanks a lot love the show appreciate it fine so my man thanks for calling and love that call here's the thing right he's talking about a fully loaded iPhone is or iPhone 10 is around 1200 bucks the only laptop that is even remotely close to 1200 bucks is a sorry I'm popping my ears because they're plugged up is the book 13-inch without a touch bar and I thought it was really interesting how he said you know there's nothing really compelling on the site and I a hundred percent agree the touch bar is not a compelling product like if I'm gonna drop what I think it starts at $23.99 for a MacBook Pro with a touch bar and I'm forced to have the touch bar which is honestly junk it's a junk feature that is unnecessary makes things actually harder to do it takes longer to do things it's not responsive there's no touch physical touch some of the features in it are like I'm never gonna use that to edit video so this day I've never used it to scrub through video it's it's weak it's it's weak and I felt that way right when I saw it but I kind of I was tempered with it but as I've used it I'm like this is this is all the lamest innovation that we've seen from Apple's so you could look outside the box or if you're not urgently looking for a computer I'd wait it out and see if maybe they kind of retract back on this whole touch bar thing the biggest issue with Apple's laptops as well is because of the processor family that they're using right now it doesn't support the higher capacity DDR Ram so that's why they're not loaded at 16 that's expected to come sometime in 2018 so we'll see what happens but I think it really it's sad when the MacBook Pro used to be literally one of the most attractive pieces of hardware Apple ever had and I think he represents a lot of fans that are like oh there's nothing really that special going on with the MacBook Pros right now and I would totally agree I would totally agree not even from a power base a power user perspective who cares if it has a touch we're not from a power users perspective it's not even there with the juice either so um I feel yeah yeah I'm actually looking at the refurbished models and they do have some decent models priced at 1099 so I mean you know if you're gonna buy a new it wouldn't be new but get a refurbished model that's a great point yeah and it's it's cheaper it's tested from the factory and then they test it again and you know when they do the refurbishing you also have the same warranty coverage as buying one brand new ya and I'm seeing a lot of these with with the the power you know the what is it called the screen the little what are you calling again sorry ultimately ultimately if you want a laptop for a power user you pretty much have to go to the 15 inch touch bar entry-level model yeah you know they have some 12 inch - I like kind of like a smaller laptop yeah like I like I like the portability small ones but if you're doing any type of video editing like automatically I say go get a 15 inch laptop in the long run it pays off it just does it just does so I would yeah I would hold onto that money right now a period I wouldn't even spend it man go buy a Bitcoin with it ah she can't afford a bitch geez right now for one Bitcoin right yeah it's crazy this is crazy okay we got one more call here we go what's gonna be some song Tyler from Hotlanta coming at you the guys asking about the home pod I bought our first Google home mini and man these things are so cheap they're awesome I mean I'm probably get from multiple rooms in my house well my question is do you think that Apple might be gearing up for a Apple home pod mini for March to come out with the Apple home of now the home pod itself just thought of asked chat later freedom freedom freedom uh you know what I think that we we've talked about it a little bit and someone had brought up the idea of having a Apple home pod mini and I think it sounds great but at the same time why would you want to get that because it's gonna be the most limited voice assistant I'm sure it'll work in the Apple ecosystem but you're only going to at least from what we know at the moment be able to get access to Apple music as a native service built into it and really of all the three voice assistants it's the most limited and weakest voice assistant of the three so because of that that's just not compelling to me right it's not gonna be cheaper than the Google home mini and it's not gonna be cheaper than the Amazon echo I think you're better off getting an echo jump people that want to jump on the smart home platform right this holiday season is the best time to join there were crazy Black Friday deals even right now the newest Amazon echo version 2.0 normally ninety-nine bucks it's like 79 bucks the Google home regular station is 79 bucks and then both the echo Docs and Google home minis are 29 bucks a pop each like if there's any time to give this smart home thing a try and trust me you won't regret it it's amazing we're now is the time to do it and that's also I made a point earlier that Apple is missing this whole holiday season boat they're all deeply discounted and people are not people that are in the know shouldn't there's no reason to wait for what Apple is doing because it's not gonna be better they're really positioning the home pot is a sound product a better audio product that's fine but I think people are looking for smarter products instead of a speaker that sounds good that has a dumb a dumber AI than the other two yeah that's more expensive too so Wayne it's just not nearly as compelling for me as a consumer when you lay all the facts out like it's just not as compelling so Chris Wesley and the chat room says loll you keep turning my echo on wall every telling Alexa Alexa Alexa don't be that guy come on alright I know you like it you like to just mess with people anyway that's all she wrote man that's it that is all alright everybody um we just want to give you a little a heads up I believe if I'm correct a beach just a little early news December 22nd will be our last show for the holiday season is that correct that's correct for the for 2017 December 22nd will be our last show but we're gonna record it we're recording on the 21st right sure sure yeah yeah 21st so you can watch it live 21st and then we will post it will be 22nd and then we'll be gone for a month because of travel and vacation and CES we'll return in a month after that we'll let you guys know again but I just want to throw that out there also remember be a part of this show keep us alive call us we love I think the calls are kind of some of my favorite parts of the show so the number is take care enjoy the weekend enjoy the week whenever you listen to this be safe hug your loved ones tight we'll see you next week peace