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welcome to the 359 I wrote your check I'm Alfred hang I'm Scott Stein I owe as 12 is here well at least the public beta if you were brave enough you could have been the first to experience the latest version of Apple's operating system we have Scott here to talk about all the ways what what are your first impressions you've been playing around with few days right yeah so I mean weird you know iOS 12 was not really that many exciting new things it's really about fixing a lot of the bugs also don't expect some of the new features that you think might be there for instance augmented reality which I'm fascinated by is not really there because that requires third-party apps that don't exist yet to take advantage of multiplayer there's a measure app from Apple but that's really just a measuring tape and shortcuts which is the one that sauce to make Siri more usable yeah that's only part of the way here the biggest parts of that the standalone shortcuts app that's basically an extension of the work flow app that Apple acquired and the ability to do all sorts a deeper program with third-party apps is not in this beta well you can do a screen time which is that management of your how much time you're glued to your phone that's interesting emoji are there if you have an iPhone those your me emoji how do you know oh I seem emoji with like a hard G well using the Mojo you've tried them emoji I tried them on you tonight commuting on a train are you are you into the Momo guy are you are you as a technical achievement they're definitely the best that are out there there's no question why you'd really want to use this an apple berries this inside the messages app so it's really hard to get to the coolest the weirdest momochi on your head thing which is like basically like a snapchat trick where suddenly your head isn't animated talking okay that's buried inside messages you can use it for group FaceTime so I love the effect but I'd rather have it built in the camera app do more Google's doing with a are stickers open that up yeah be nice to actually use those me emojis in other apps or other messaging apps or Facebook right just having it be share quick things yeah locked in a messages seems like a mistake it seems like Apple really wants that to be part of the messages identity but it needs to be part of the whole iPhone identity but as more phones get the front-facing camera in the fall you can expect probably they'll do more with that stuff so as a reminder this is still a beta and we recommend Betty if you install this software you do it on a phone that isn't your primary juries don't you in fact I wouldn't normally install a beta why probably because I'm into tech but I don't like to install something like that on a core device because why would you mess with that already you have OS that's fine there isn't that much in iOS 12 that's really unbelievable unless you want to play with group FaceTime 32 people but you know you could just wait all right so is instagram worth 100 billion dollars it seems completely ludicrous but a bloomberg analysis is out today valuing just instagram by itself at a hundred billion dollars this is based on the fact that is crossed the 1 billion user mark recently and it's projected to grow to 2 billion active users a month in the next five years just the worth worth noting facebook is itself worth five hundred seventy five million dollars what do you think ludicrous yeah how is this ludicrous I think Instagram is like one of the fastest growing social networks out there I mean they're owned by Facebook so I don't know how much of that you can credit to Facebook but you know that it has all these like Millennials going to it all these people leaving Facebook to for Instagram like a lot of celebrities would much rather use that they have this whole like IG TV stuff which I've been seeing a lot of people using actually like I know last week when we talked to us I don't think I don't think anyone's gonna use I've I've caught myself watching a few videos on IG t keep in mind Facebook's valuations really basins like that it's been able to make money off of targeted ads yes a gram still struggles with making money that's what IG TVs yeah but Instagram posts are really good at like connecting influencers and like that's like the audience that like I think social media is headed towards next because like if they're not like really responding to like these targeted ads anymore but they will be responding to like their favorite YouTube or their favorite like person on Instagram like their favorite personality on social media I think that's like where most of its value comes from alright lastly the tech industry is working with the government to ensure that Russia's influence in the 2016 elections don't happen again from the terms so Apple Google Facebook and others met with US intelligence officials last month obviously disinformation was one of the big strategies tactics from Russia I mean do you think it's it's gonna happen again oh no yeah it's definitely going to happen again they're already like there's there's a lot that's going on currently that like we probably don't know about yet in the same way that all the attacks happened in 2016 that we didn't really like realize until like a whole year later Scott brought that point I like earlier basically the idea that like yeah we know what to look out for except Russia is probably gonna do so yeah probably different they've kind of moved on and you know the I think from security experts that I've spoken with about this like the idea is that like the 2018 election is kind of like the testing ground to see what works and then that's like what they're going full-throttle for in 2020 well scary stuff like heart syndrome you always test for the wrong thing you realize the park has other problems all right for more on those stories chickens on CNET I'm Roger J I'm Alfred Inge I'm Scott Stein thanks for listening trying to get all right come on that beat is fire I had to wait for it right way that was so good the music is so good my music is so good I'm just putting that out there you should have kept it playing longer because I don't mean I barely got take yeah yeah that's how I always you know new studio new intros man that's just right thanks everybody for joining us it's like you're turning couch gags on like The Simpsons where it's like I just try to do something different every time all right it's time for me to jump into the chat and find some decent questions and comments that we can keep the conversation going with let's go ahead and acknowledge that syringe oh is one of the most eagle-eyed viewers we have it seen at hey Jett Scott isn't the red vaz for the red comparison when you had the new red iPhone in it is I mentioned that I said unboxing but it wasn't unboxing oh so the Eagle responds with an eagle eye a comment but that was good and yes I was trying to throw a reference to that to say those four that's my unboxing well done as always thank you that was a I was an experimental unboxing yeah that's one way to put it when you end up with a lipstick on at the end of it from a user whose name is in what I believe is Taiwanese and I can't pronounce his I can't read tight Taiwanese uh actually after I saw Scott's video I just installed iOS 12 on my iPhone 7 but it doesn't feel like a beta it feels like it's really working well and smooth it also has better Siri features it seems like there's a large number of people in our chat today who have actually been pleasantly surprised with the beta release it seems like it's a better beta than we've seen out of apple in the past do we think that Apple's kind of turned a corner since they have a bit of a foggy history with releasing stuff maybe arguably a little bit too early what do you think Scott well that's that's great to hear I always warn people away from installing a beta because it could introduce all sorts of problems but that is an interesting use in that if there are people who find that the performance of iOS right now has been awful for them on their old device maybe they feel they have nothing to lose and they say I'm gonna try this beta because it could really help me out that's the first time the Apple's made a proposition that a bit that a new version of the OS could help older models or that I can remember that really speaks to how buggy like it's this random beta that definitely has not been checked for any quality control just for the chance that it's gonna be better than my buggy supposedly call the control checked iOS may be running slower on an old device yeah well first of all iOS 11 is buggy and in second yeah I mean I'm surprised someone around someone I know installed the developer beta we didn't need to it was like re-enter he was just doing it to try it out and I what are you doing on your days at primary thumb under yes on your like to live life on the edge if you don't have a chance to check it out otherwise maybe you feel it's okay you got a backup but does somebody maybe you feel it's totally fine I think this is a safer experiment I still don't know what's going to emerge in a beta what problems might pop up so I try to talk people away from it but I definitely think that the performance gains could be a real reason for balda dive in soon and I will say like after all the presentations are the moji the group FaceTime like the thing I was most excited about was performance improvements was the fact those faster and hopefully less buggy I love that they never lead with that at like the big leg shows or whatever it's just like okay yeah the battery life is probably gonna be out but check it out you can talk of 32 people now and you can all be koalas Apple did lead with the performance proven right that was the first thing they talked to him saying like that should be like the the bulk of it like yeah sooner or later you're gonna get to group koala chat there's no avoiding it and I actually I do want to try group koala chat we're all koalas now yeah sad koalas my wife said what's the point of everything now of when I when I showed her them emoji an animal I always thought that how did that in as a way to like break bad news to people like like in a way that's like okay so you're fired but this cute panda kinda just fired me I can't be that sad about it's like the Back to the Future to see you do you the Koala says you're fired you get all the faxes do you use emojis with your wife [Laughter] no I don't use them for about a week and I was like that was it and that was it which I I mean when I look it's not all those instances where I look back and I go this is gonna be amazing and then I'm disappointed from the very GetGo I thought they were gimmicky oh yeah I I do feel like look VR that's a different story we figure we've had ups and downs in VR I still think in the future there but with an emoji I felt like what this is stuff you already see on snapchat right right yeah it's weird though cuz like you see like you said you see it on snapchat like they're making you do it through like iMessage which is right kind of annoying is it would be nice if it was broken out into more apps getting to the stuff that does the cool effects is super annoying for instance to put am emoji on your head you have to which is that bizarre yep extra trick you have to go into messages you have to then not tap the an emoji button which is down below you have to tap the camera button in messages and in the camera part you have to tap the filter and then you have to select the an emoji part and select the an emoji and make sure not to accidentally exit it by pressing the wrong button oh my gosh yeah it's like fun yeah that's great and then if you want to save that clip you have your spontaneous calls I could see it well how's this work glamour all how do you how do you integrate into FaceTime than I do in FaceTime you have the options there like a bun like okay it's not like I've got to go back to I messages activate them emoji right back to FaceTime there just be an an emoji app and so there should be a way to hook it in directly into the camera which is the main way you use it it's annoying and I I feel like it's like one step there but how many steps do I need for talking and emoji and and sorry I want to ask you unrelated question because I know you spent a lot of time your phone yeah and you've thought about this too oh it's good the screen time app are you actually gonna use the screen time app thank you for asking that when I was writing up the my impression so far and these are very early on it test phone and I haven't moved into with my full account I think for kids screen time is an overdue feature that you could do like I mean the switch has it others have it we could limit use that's great I'm a personal thing I am NOT a believer in this isn't improving I think about health tech right I think about fitness bands and I think about the fact that over time as I've used those they made similar claims of improving your life and I've said before you kind of hit a wall like I need extra coaching till I get to the really healthy part at some point you're just not going to improve naturally through insights and I feel like it's the same thing here like knowing how much I use anything great that's like knowing how many calories you eat it doesn't really make you healthier to know that and I think that's been proven over time or fitness it's not so easy to just put a calorie count up and just suddenly get healthy and then the other thing is you can just override yep any one of those all you do is you tap it and you say snooze for 15 minutes I feel like our garage those yeah that's pretty quick like on the calories analogy though like doesn't knowing it still make you like more conscious of how much you're like doing it and like make you try to make an effort to like not do that no it is I'm not saying so a totally good point and I'm not saying you you give up and don't show that but I'm skeptical about this being enough on its own it's like step one is the calorie count but step two the thing I'm missing a lot of fitness bands and why think personal trainers are always intrigued me is that you really need an extra step to get to like the real level of fitness or it's like if you know I need to lose as my personal talking about weight less than these but I need to lose like 40 to 50 pounds over time I find it really hard to do and I keep going up and down at the track but you could to get to that step it's not so easy so to like go cold turkey on like what is probably a big phone addiction for people yeah I think it's I for instance I deleted my Twitter app I was like I'm done on my phone what did I do like half an hour later I reinstalled it totally weak-willed I checked my phone at home I was judging you right now yeah touch me I feel really awful when I come home my kids know I'm on the phone a lot I need to learn how to give it up I need to do that I would love screen time to help me I'm super like the downtime idea where if you said it at a certain time it does yeah say hey hey dummy stop using this right now right yep you go back to your kids but I just feel like if you're really hardcore into your device you're just gonna hit that bye yeah I mean that that's what I used to do for I had like a Chrome extension that would basically do the same thing was like from this time there this time like I can't go on like YouTube or anything like that but I got to a point where like I'm a grown man I can I'm just gonna turn this off so I think it makes a good point in the song it was like clean your room or so I was like man for some no I got it I got a brain that's nice boy yeah I was just like I'm just gonna turn this off but like do not disturb mode can be your best friend in the world that's what I rely on well like putting it as a part that I'm I like extra futures I'm not motivated to check and unless someone's bothering me and you guys always bother me yeah I like the there was like a 12 day like vacation that I took like during the last Christmas break and I like deleted my Twitter app and like all social media apps on my phone I like it was great it was not amazing without it then I reinstall I wanted to go back to work I am so I know I realized the only way I can like stay off social media is one in a hospital or tuna cruise ship where I have zero cognitive 'ti right that's really the only time or or like I'm in someplace where I have no continuity at all which is rare just increasingly rare nowadays I'm going for for another transatlantic Cruise in the summer where I'll be eight days without land so that'll be my next chance it and there's no access at all it's like a dollar a minute oh man tweets in that's a good prohibitive measure that is so I think that that that will be an interesting experience this time a ganda State or immersive theater just basically staying immersive theater for four years like well what else play don't spoil it by the way I don't know how okay we got to take some more questions I like this comment from our old friend Chris Wesley oh and while we're at it I want to make a shout out to our new friend from Korea watching in South Korea still alone Hey but welcome it's great to have you Chris Wesley old friend I feel like not just Apple but everyone else is getting better at making betas how do you guys feel about that I I'm still kind of torn I think a lot of these keynotes that we see are lackluster and underwhelming and it's just like oh goodie cartoon faces congratulations on your tech degree do we think these betas are actually getting better are the beta themselves worth more or they at least more stable upon delivery date great question that's something actually I was thinking about for a future discussion for another video two betas are weird for me I'm not wild about betas although we're in a world full of betas I mean games are all about betas and we remember Gmail was in beta for years yeah use email is it still in beta I think am I Sylvia may still who knows but yeah we're we're full of betas people like to test things people like to try things so I understand that I'd still maybe I'm probably old-fashioned I'd rather wait for like the release that's done but we are in an age where nothing has really ever done like you know every time a final release comes out it's still full of bugs and there are patches and problems that happen all the time with with iOS so the game industry is built on DLC now right yeah yeah Kanye West's album that keeps getting changed nothing is stable nothing is stable so maybe in that sense what I almost would like to just do way if the idea of yearly releases and just keep making updates you know just like it's it's that it's that pack I guess Windows does then it's like package updates oh yeah bring update the spring creators update yeah 2018 - whatever I feel like unless you've got something to like driver run around and discuss what an X version of the OS is that's why it starts feeling really silly as we're just bundling a bunch of features that start feeling less impressive into something that's called a new version of the OS right but to them that means something to us it's like you're just talking about screen time emoji and then like how is they doing from airplay to or messages in the cloud or like any feature that gets Apple pay cash gets pushed like mid year so I I'm fine with a more stable beta but I think it does point out the absurdity of like we're always in beta that's a deep that's a deep thought so shout out to Kris from Korea I like this comment from CERN Roy says I think my life is still in beta sir enjoy trademark that copyright that life in beta would be an excellent podcast title yours keep that is from Bill harried a friend of mine is losing tons of ad revenue on his business since recent changes with Facebook any ideas why also is Instagram a better platform for ad at this time point hmm I don't think instagrams a better platform for ads more so that it is like a better platform for like you know reaching out to influencers and like big accounts and things like that I think that the problem that the ad industry is struggling with is like how do you make money off of that right yeah how do you how do you exploit that for a lack of a better word to sell things yeah that's ultimately what Instagram needs to figure how to do yes if it can't make money then it's yes well as far as like on it Facebook ad revenue stuff goes I mean I'd have to have more details about that it's hard it's hard me yeah judgment or like assess the situation that we really have no details it really depends on what you're selling and things like that who you're targeting a lot of the times with Facebook like they will just change things in their algorithm you're like without really telling people which is why they're like a lot of media like Facebook sometimes like don't get as many views as they used to or anything like that but you know it's all a mystery of Facebook we are almost out of time let's take one more question do you think IG Instagram TV content creators will bring an innovative tricks to promote vertical orientation can we a 16 by 9 by 9 by 16 war I hope not I mean vertical did what Isis much what I've been seeing on IG TV is that people they its vertical but like you just you flip your phone sideways that it's fine it's not how your eyes work that's why we went to the 16 by 9 letterbox format because of science maybe they should just start making horizontal phones you're going to force evolution and everyone everyone is going to start there no everyone's gonna start getting born with sideways heads because of video I love idea introducing we should just create a video for the NAD for the first horizontal phone it's just reducing first iPhone you hold it this way hello alright it's available for you to use there is no screen rotation you are literally unlocked all the time it's got like a gyroscope and it so anytime you touch it you know what that's basically how it holds my phone the next iOS update you're really chatting most the time so you just just do this just go from that they should make a feature where you can't take photos unless the the phone is horizontal like it's a gyroscope detects that it's vertical like no no you know what I want I think I wrote this like a long time ago and seen it I don't know why when you shoot video why can't just be like a flip cam where you should be able to shoot vertically but have a record horizontally oh that's the worst yeah that happens to me a lot well I would be great because then you could record horizontal videos but just you know with the way the cameras oriented it is but the flip managed it or did it did it I mean it did that you just read it square photos score videos the magic I want to see I don't know how that would I don't know what you do I really like the ill-fated flip camera is like the guideposts for how we should have camera innovations reaching all the way back what is because it is so much easier to record that way right but I and I guess I am watching videos on my phone but what about snap just circular videos yes circular phones as well there was a circular phone run sit the rots runcible runcible runcible phone run sitter is a character from a Philip dick novel and you can use the back as like a coaster and everything oh yeah there we go or the frogs the screen there's going to be the coaster yeah there you go the oppo coaster I'll do it I'll buy it it'll look like that'll get announced like a pop up mean how fun this thing I think it'll get you can get like the what the hell is this a runcible I've seen I saw knows what the hell is that it's a it's a doctor basically a blood watch it loved it people were all over that it's good well that sort of came out people could not get enough of that you're a liar it's you Paul you put on a monocle exactly and you know that's what oh yeah just feel the it comes with a cane to goggle cane accessories I think monocles are gonna be the next comeback next week they're basically be like the schedules been lying in ball have you okay I would have you been to Brooklyn lately Scott no I haven't I have seen a monocle in the wild but based on based on Montclair New Jersey x' like what are they prescription I'm going immigration like I feel like I can wait three or four years and I'll see that you'll see the monocle yeah I do Alfre I do like your dragonballs yeah scatters would look awesome isn't that Google glass yeah yeah but Google glass had two glasses just break it in half and there's like stuff like inside like scarring and then you have this monocle oh my god like evil Morty yeah okay there you go give us money whoa we have brilliant ideas we are completely out of time but the more Tikal just the more Tikal I know oh yeah I want to I want to plant this seed and everyone's head though we have to go we are at a time where I just got a meeting to go to I want to plant this thought I love this discussion we're having about phone orientation and and prioritization and like apps that would train you to use your phone in the right orientation the first thing that comes to mind is when did this become an acceptable way to take a phone call every time I see somebody talking on this out on the street I want to slap anybody takes a vertical photo everybody takes vertical video I'd love to just branch this conversation out into what are like some of the biggest faux pause about holding your phone I've seen people do that on the train and I've also noticed it's more acceptable now for people to like play music out loud without headphones but I anytime I see somebody doing doing this on the train or like it in public because I'm a jerk I'll like pretend to be on the phone I'll be like this and I was like hey what's up yeah how's it going I'm just talking enlike a normal person would and hold not like an idiot okay cool yeah I'll see you later bye hi - I do see this I do see this a lot more often what's the value there I guess you don't touch your ear with this line isn't the speaker over here or that's way worse you're being obnoxious you should you should do that every time so what do you guys think is some of the worst offenses of people and how they hold their phone from vertical video and photo to shouting into the speaker - playing stuff out loud we want to hear it in the chat in the comments until then we do have to say goodbye Roger all right I feel like anything you saw or heard here checks out on scene at our podcast is available on iTunes tune in stitcher Feedburner google play music would play podcasts and the amazon alexa scale tomorrow bye folks you you