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hey good morning on Thursday September 7th from the scene at New York studios it's time for the episode 280 of the 359 you can call me Bing what's up of boobies good that's catchy big surprise iPhone that phone's just really at this point a little less than a week away I'm gonna talk a little bit about the the controversial rumored removal of the home Bund and how that might affect our lives I think it might be you know it's more significant you think then disagrees some what we'll talk about we'll talk about it we'll also talk about Amazon going after some scammers from Kindle scammers right yeah self-publishing and we'll talk a little bit about text text the tech industry's attempt to save Daka or at least say the dreamers and pushing for some legislation so lots to talk about so let's just get right to it you have any questions live in the comment section Brian will pick up the best and we will get to them in three minutes in a few 9 seconds here we go for the recording of the podcast see you back in the chat in 3 2 welcome to the 359 I'm runner tang I'm Ben Fox ribbon the iPhone is nearly here what the controversial rumor changes is the removal of the home but the physical home button the home button we've if you're an iPhone user you've used basically a billion times a day at least that's that's a rough average what do you think how is this do you think this is a big enough change that's gonna mess with the way you use your phone yeah but don't you think that like ultimately we're making a really big deal about but what's ultimately a fairly minor design change no you know like this is this is like gonna be heralded as like such a big deal it's gonna launch like so many hot takes oh my god and like I've already got my heart ache preparing button come on here's the thing yes they're getting rid of the button it is I think about how many things do you do with that button you multitask you triple click to get the camera you know you're constantly went back to home I mean think about and I kind of jokingly say we click on that thing a billion times but we click on that home button a lot right and to remove that bun and have this sort of virtual button floating there to me at least suggest that there's gonna be a bigger change in the user interface you know it's gonna be you know we've already sort of seen hints that there might be more of a dock like the iPad where I'll be sort of longer role of rows of icons so it could be it could mark sort of a bigger change in how we use or I thought that could be the biggest that could throw people for a loop I get that I get that from from a habitual perspective more often than not you're gonna hit the home button just to kind of get your day started to like delve into your phone maybe sometimes you press the power button but a very least you know that's where the touch ID exists but at the same time I do at least when I mentioned that Samsung already did this yep in March yep we're doing it again where maybe we're giving Apple too much credit for being second potato I'm not saying that this is a this is I'm heralding them for their innovation I'm just saying for users who are used to this like you might have to be ready for a big change and you know so what steps I did Samsung users aren't generally iPhone users so it's there to almost two separate groups right so you know most of the folks were looking to upgrade to this new iPhone or iPhone users all use of physical home button so I don't know could be a big change I'm starting to get it I I understand what you have I soldier not entirely I mean when when what was it the iPhone wait I read my hot take really awesome gonna be super hot when when the iPhone 7 came out and then switched to a haptic button I was like I'm not into this right and not on boy you know I I mean I was the same way and I kinda got used to it I think overall in the end you will get used to it just it's a weird transition one of the things too just to throw it in there I don't even know how people would actually be able to find this button because if it's all one flat surface how are you gonna get get I think that's the challenge especially when the screen is off like how do you hit the home button like yeah well I await your heart ache we'll see all right next up Amazon has some news Ben yeah Amos on is continuing its effort to go after scammers counterfeiters or alleged scammers on its site on Wednesday yesterday it filed five different arbitration briefs to go after a bunch of people that were trying to scam the Kindle self-publishing platform to try to make some extra money so they would either jack up the best seller like jack up their books on the bestseller list or they would put in fake reviews fake reviews as obviously like a very try the other way to like scam ways of getting people to buy stuff yeah there was another guy that would reach out to authors to try to he had a way of like increasing the number of page views because you actually increase your royalties for the number of page views you got on certain books oh wow so okay they're gonna continue doing that alright well lastly Maggie ririn has a nice piece on text attempt to save daca or at least maybe not duck in the way it is now but in terms of trying to get Congress to introduce a bill to save so-called dreamers these these immigrants who are part of the daca program so her story is interesting because it notes that tech has been actually pretty successful in political realm you know in terms of stopping sober that was the online piracy act getting that neutrality passed back under the Obama administration but when it comes to actually introducing new policy texts really struggled this and and a lot of the experts that Maggie talked to suggested that tech would have a real uphill climb here just because information is such a controversial topic here right this is also in many ways a social issue not a tech issue I understand obviously a lot of dreamers have tech jobs and the tech industry in general has had a more I guess I would say lacks or more you know broader view on memory say they're the most vocal party right now in terms of supporting doctors and they've been increasingly supportive of a lot of you know liberal and progressive efforts basically since the Trump administration's absolutely yeah I don't find this too surprising that they were know that that they were trying to save doc I think what was surprising has given their influence and their history of success but the challenges that they face fact that it's still gonna be really tough even for companies as powerful as Apple absolutely at Facebook so alright these stories on more chicks on CNN I'm Roger Chang I'm Ben Fox Ruben thanks for listening so I have a question before we jump right into the chat do it cuz i neva tably everybody's gonna be talking about this iPhone crap okay if Apple decides to kill the home button I don't know if this is an if question anymore I probably the wrong phrasing here but without the home button in the iPhone do you think that's gonna follow suit on an iPad that's a good question hey there's more real estate on an iPad yeah I actually kind of like the bezel the frame around the iPad because I don't want to get my finger print that's a good point good I like having a little bit like Ivan iPad air and I like having that frame to hold the screen with it screens fairly large already like I think the whole idea with the iPhone is you want to kind of keep it compact but you want a bigger screen hence removing the bezels and getting this whole seamless look I don't know maybe they will maybe they'll to kind of put everyone on the same kind of common platform they'll actually removed the iPad but I don't know I think Apple is never a while Apple likes to make changes to make the people that bought the product last year feel like idiots so maybe I would say that's not true that's true that's true but I wouldn't put it past them to remove the home button just so you kind of feel a little jealous of the guy the button yes I mean I look at like when I'm on the train I look at someone with a galaxy has eight that's pretty nice oh it's a nice phone it's a nice phone oh yeah so send in some shoutouts all around the world today Seattle Paraguay Vietnam yeah all over the place thanks everybody for joining us we lovable readers let's go ahead and jump into some of the chat questions Nehemiah asks will the iPhone come with two day battery life I'm so sorry but no I don't think it's also no tooth fairy I mean there are some special purpose phones that longer than others but yeah like an iPhone will get you a day of use if you're lucky if you're not a heavy user I would love for Apple on stage next week to make some sort of reference to battery life oh yeah I really feel like they're not gonna do they often do it when it relates to their lives that's always number one on the wishlist we're a lot of people's like better battery life better battery life like every mobile device has a year Apple is really not I mean they just sort of give that blanket like oh it'll last you your day or whatever like if you don't use your phone at all missed you I could never you know what tweaks me out though and like now when I'm out and about in the city you see those info panels that have been kind of jumping up all over the place like NYC yeah Lincoln I see people park there yeah yeah charger charging and charging and it's like okay I'm not gonna discredit New York that's a really nice commodity that they've provided to the citizens but Wow are we really that dependent that we got a park in charge and yeah sure yeah if you go to an airport gate like there's like a crowd around every outlet right like a sort of they all just got came from home you know what a use up their attacks whenever I go there I like protect you like boom there you go people that's right back into the chat expert games they could put a button on the side power button or the home button on the side like the volume rocker they could but they won't there they won't yeah I love that idea though by the way I'm very into that idea Jessica dual court when she was here and she said that they're really good like they actually well the thing of it is that was less of a home button more a button it was more for like turning unlock and you can unlock the phone yeah maybe the home button does more than that right like it gets you back to the home screen but yes - Jessica's point and I tried this out with the the Robin phone that next bit phone let's get the side fingerprint sensor works like remember I just never know what ever uses it though what is what is the next bit Robin alright that's great mr. lizard liked a lot a second potato-y a second how did I miss that what it was a phrase at the time of the past at the second of the podcast it was afraid loss the legacy asks did Apple move the rear camera so that people stopped recording video in the portrait orientation hmm congratulations Giant Bomb I kind of wish I was there instead of here anyways anyways videos vertical instead of horizontal very like increasingly popular thing yeah definitely I mean the the way it's angled now you'll go from so the layout was horizontal now go vertical so it'll it'll cause you to adjust yeah this way maybe I mean I like that theory using I mean I think they I also think they just move it around because they had it better fit more components in there mm-hm and so I don't think it's a orientation thing I think it's more just that's how they designed it that's how they fit more components into the phone so it's meant to score over snapped yeah I mean look I don't think it's gonna affect or it's gonna hurt your ability to take either portrait or landscape mode video or photos regardless the orientations people are gonna continue be dumb I just hate that I hate the vertical video thing I know it's drives me nuts I know you know they're they're creating whole like content now was the whole idea code 90 except they I'm gonna thank ya I'm plugging go 90 the hell with it your you'll be the first person to plug code ID so but look I I've used go 90 it's actually pretty decent stuff I don't know they had a transformers cartoon on there I thought was pretty cool okay I can get it then I stopped using it completely so after the show is over is like all right go back to ignoring go 90 ouch alright back in the chat Abdul's got a great question will the volume buttons being next he says momentum arm off it's true right we lost a headphone jack on the home bun we're just losing everything just the volume next thing to go the whole phone yeah they just sell you air for like $700 and people would buy yeah yeah would be nicely packaged air like you over the box there guys are ridiculous well I'm still trying to wrap my head around if that's even possible like would you have a gesture controlled volume you could say oh well we have like a yeah like you could almost like swipes on your phone maybe to control the volume perspective I don't I don't know I went I went to a interesting idea it's a Sony product presentation with David Carr Noi last week or two weeks ago I honestly forget at this point but they showed off the version it is not okay no no we published a review on this already they've got their own version of the home pod coming out yeah and it has just your volume controls you literally like gift this coffee cup let me see if I can get a better camera angle here if this coffee cup was your actual voice assistant speaker and you just spin your finger around it clockwise and counter clockwise you hold the cup up it's just my coffee so yeah you just yeah like what Ben's doing this is that story the coffee fan that's doing controls not out of the question no totally I am like I said that babies look really stupid you swipe up or down I'm not saying you have to do no no no I think it would be it would be more like this yeah just a gentle gentle caress who asked that question of duo come back again come back again I like your cry like that was a great question it does kind of fit with the original vision that jobs I've had I was like basically like a singular block of just a seamless a thin sheet of glass right or aluminum really was like they feel was the doubles as a razor blade in your pod like no but there was like no buds at all like they you know to kind of be completely minimalistic that's that's how you do it right yeah yeah it may be evil down the line we'll see just bring back good no I Jackson cannot cover that you and me both brother next question Watson asks will iPads eventually phase out as phones continue to get bigger and use full screens on the surface of the mobile interested in your thoughts that's a great question we've definitely considered that possibility for many years and I think bonds are gonna get bigger iPads are gonna get smaller and they're going to swap like Freaky Friday well and they've been more like Pro versions you're supposed to get them with a keyboard that's how they're trying to differentiate the iPad line yeah is to make them more similar to a laptop so they're not necessarily looking for average folks like you'd be buying them it's more at this point like businesses for business use I think they're pushing the business side and education like schools I'm not an average folks by the way sorry I'm a tech fluent sir so oh my god I expect you on the show business card yeah we got a question okay all right so directly answer the question I think the iPad makes way too much money as like a segment yeah no no they're gonna keep trying to find like in area I don't think there's gonna be that migration we're like is that your phone gets bigger to the point where replaces an iPad it's isn't it more likely if they did the iPad what allegedly or any tablet will continue to get more powerful and yeah come to replace notebooks before a phone would replace a tablet it's possible it's just it's weird fast because that kind of sits in this website on the dark the iPad tablets in general Tsin that weird spot where they're like they're not I mean your phone's a lot more usefully spend more time with it if you want something really powerful your iPad your tablet's not quite as powerful as a pc yes and that weird no-man's land yeah but if they actually start I think it's more likely that a tablet would encroach on PC territory before phone within Chrome yeah I think that's sure especially as processors get faster analogous capabilities got better do you have more space to do stuff yeah yeah totally we got a question here from what will become Ben's new nickname benster Baxter that's like a sitcom benster sure I don't know what do you think the iPhone Edition will ship with air pods no no no those theropods expenses they want all your money yeah and there's no way they would you know they like 160 there are over a hundred or terrible with backs they're not sure odd in the meantime is at 160 you're right 160 thank you in the meantime sherrod are we expecting the iPhone 7s to come with wireless charging well the new phones come with wireless charging pad included iPhone 7s 7s sorry yes yes I believe that the wireless charging capability is rumored to be on every one of the phones and they should because the only way to kind of drive mass adoption is to get every single one of these units using the same capability it's been around I mean while charging has been around for a while it's very mature is very stable at this point so it would just it would it would shock and actually frustrate me if they didn't put wireless charging in the 7s models okay I have some late breaking news about farmer bro I wrote about this yesterday him again no no so he can I he put the one and only whoo tang clan album up on eBay yeah and $3,000 itself so it's a it's over a million the last time I checked last night he bought it for two million dollars back in 2015 I asked him a question because one of the things that he said was out of frustration he said he might consider breaking it you know there's two million dollar one-time thing so I said I asked him and murder him it's his he can do whatever ones with mine Tang would kill him being the reporter that I had nothin to F with I went and I asked him through the eBay listing and great said this hasn't been like I didn't ask him in person so take it with a grain of salt but I asked why would you be frustrated and break this item I just got the response back from him like just now his response was roid rage so there you go oh he's on steroids now he's just ridiculous he's a ridiculous booty if that's the case he needs more that's a little physical living embodiment of control he's really fantastic I'm a living embodiment of an aborted fetus oh my god I recommend everybody check out the Q&A s on the eBay listing they're really funny and I'm glad I am now included in them so thank you very much for we can get back to them feel like you need a right story about that sure all right oh I I talked to this farmer I don't know no their story should just be over QA like the weird stuff that's not a bad idea all right look at the skin stories generated you know double duty this is work Italy on topic - I know way off topic so we're almost out of time let's throw in a couple more questions Lost Legacy and several others are asking if the new iPhone will support the Apple pencil and how that's going to put pan out in the future oh that's a question I don't know it seems doubtful yeah and it seems like the pencil is really geared towards the iPad purloined mm-hmm and that kind of helps differentiate what the iPad pro does so I don't know maybe if they have I mean one of the rumor names is an iPhone Pro maybe I couldn't see why shouldn't ya like the the brand-new third one yes the iPhone the top-tier thousand-dollar I thought that would clearly be stealing a page from Samsung again oh yeah what the guys did idea of big phone that's price but isn't the iPhone 8 not expected to be that big I mean still big ish no no I'm just saying general the idea of like of stealing stuff from Samsung totally the big phone thing was yeah we'll look for that but I don't I don't think it's possible father knows best best asks will the home button be integrated into the entire screen as in you're gonna touch anywhere to activate it and what are your thoughts on that that's a question I don't know how they're gonna I think you think I have like a small home button where normally would have been ideal real estate like the lower third of the screen like anywhere here in this sweet spot kind of thing I don't know that's it kind of cool if it was the intelligence would be yeah but you need a touch ID functionality somewhere so if you were gonna do that just to wake up the screen that's one thing but to unlock the phone and use any other touch ID functionality it would have to be limited well that's the thing I think we're not sure if touch ID is gonna work with a button right like it could be facial recognition hasn't that been proven to work horribly so far Samsung it does right maybe Apple has found some new way to make it more secure time will tell just a couple more we're gonna squeeze in here Josh boy 2 asks how long until the lightning port is axed Wow amputating this isin this is a very good questions no we're just gonna get rid of the cameras has set that precedent where it's like we're going to minimize until there's nothing less yeah but you know a German architect you're like the best Dana Carvey impression no I see little any important stink sticking around if anything I would want to switch to USB see that would be not gonna happen that can happen but no the lighting port will be around they make too much money selling the license to companies that want to make accessories but I think you would agree that we do see a future maybe five years in in the five year time span that they are gonna get rid of the Lightning port maybe and convert completely don't like charging yeah I don't know that's real good question I think someone brought the point like the NYPD is getting iPhones you like no windows phones anymore with the downgrade and you know the idea of switching them all to lightning or to go Bluetooth would be for first responders who absolutely need like a hard-line connection that seems like a hard sell right good point I mean to remove the lightning poor would be even worse right yeah just Bluetooth you'd be forcing people also to buy here air pods not really that doesn't seem it would probably sell some cheaper version of their Bluetooth headphones that but that just seems really awkward especially now we just got done talking about these charging stations and airports and on the street in urban areas and if you're only dependent on wireless charging you're screwed yeah I'm gonna do carry around a block underwear I mean that's the idea is that you know we spent the last five or six years trying to see the market with wireless charging stations around the city right it's it hasn't really worked out so well here but in other places if you go to a Starbucks if you go to McDonald's you can actually do while you to place your phone on the table and charge it there yeah but that weird we just started getting around to actually putting about cable charging stations out yeah and yeah but I mean I mean that's I think the hope for from companies like Apple and from other OEMs or basically get the world covered in wireless charging stations and then you know then people will actually let's say they see the that's there you're talking to a studio engineer here I hate cables yeah bane of my existence but they still work better at transferring data that yes faster than Wireless faster than Bluetooth we still have them yeah I don't think that I don't think it's going away let's squeeze in just a couple more really really good questions here coming in at the eleventh hour jarred topping says do you think the iPhone 8 will come with better speakers and then everyone kind of rallies tunes phone speakers always sound bad but I would say there's something to be considered there being that Apple put so much energy behind the audio fidelity of their home pod and they have a lot of energy about audio quality and it's subjective what you take away from that but they seem to have an energy in it they seem to have an emphasis on it teaming with Beats they're not had they also played up the fact that the iPhone 7 had those two like like stereo sound yeah they have the the top right which oh that's something louder doesn't mean it's better well no it's it for me it was great because like you know if you hold your phone like this you're covering speakers right inevitably so like to have it especially you're playing games so like to have speakers on both ends it's kind of nice but yeah their neck rate yeah I thought they CC one actually had decent they had front-facing boom sound speakers that were actually pretty good yeah let's see if a package up there I don't think so it's no need to now that's true last question this is a really interesting thought without the home button will there be a new way to hard reset the phone and that's coming in from Irwin that's a great question I don't know I think well that's one of the things we'll to find out that I just cooked my brand yeah that would be really funny if they mentioned that on stage how you harvest and we know the phone sucks sometimes so this is how you hard reset yeah I don't have to like press both volume buttons and the power button at the same time and twirl around pirouette so we'll see Tuesday I'm sure we're gonna do more iPhone stuff before the actual events really probably I don't know I don't know anyway shout out to Farmer bro thanks for answering my question no no shout out to farmer bro front row shout out to farmer bro what's up and this show like that Jesus but we are out of time we are out of time I have to run yeah if you like anything you saw her hurt here check us out and see that our podcast is also available in iTunes tune in stitcher SoundCloud Feedburner and Google Play Music thanks everybody see you next week no Thursday holy crap yeah short week holiday we can take care of how do you Labor Day