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good morning everyone it's the Apple byte extra crunchy podcast with your host mr. Brian Tom what's up everybody what's up hey welcome to the show this is another kind of it's an Apple week so we got to keep on bringing you the goodies this is an extra special show because we're gonna have a sit-down one-on-one with the great one I don't know if you guys have heard of rumors anything around Apple this is the man mr. Mark Garmin with Bloomberg mark thank you so much for coming out this is this is a long time coming bro no no it's it's it's my pleasure I'm happy to be here I've been watching your stuff for as long as I can remember how long is that oh my god probably upwards of seven years do you still do prizefight you still want that stuff like a wrestler and like your ring punching you know yeah old school he's old school no thanks for watching that's that's funny and embarrassing we do prize fights once in a while when they're like worthy of it now but I don't dress up as much although I do dress up on my free on my free time in your free time yeah my free time I think that's actually normal normal normal here yeah so what we want to do is bring mark into the fold and just talk about his impressions of everything that dropped over this week just kind of have an open free-flowing conversation with you about everything so I just wanted to start off what did you think of the event and what were some of your highlights and lowlights so let's just start what do you think what do you think of the space because I was the first time you were there he was quit were you there I was not there I was here in this room you're here doing live coverage they don't they don't invite me anymore do you know that no what happened they don't like how I speak my mind really you know how they are well you're on the good side you're on the good side but you know that they can be interesting I'll just I'll take the fall for that they can be interesting but anyway so you know the event space is awesome the glass sort of a circular place up there it was actually interesting I got there around 5:00 a.m. remember - yeah yeah I got there and when I when I got up to the area where the TV cameras were nobody was there yet it wasn't really secure yet right so I was able to walk up to the it's circular thing the table Steve Jobs theater and took like the first picture of it when it was still dark out and everyone's like how did you get up so close to old no one was there took a picture you took one of the first like like videos that came out of there cuz I remember it was it was it was trending on a Twitter moments just let you know it was on the Twitter moment that's great I mean that's that's the perks of getting there before it's light out so awesome awesome space like it was amazing to see it before was filled with people exteriors all glass glass on the top the craziest question people are asking me how do they hold the glass on top I don't know I'm not an architect so stop asking me but it was uh it looks really cool a huge huge space up there and then you go down these stairs and the whole building like below the top floor is like all Marbley and you can see like they got their their money's worth or they spent a lot of money on that it's sort of like if you've been to the Apple store in London on Regent Street how they sort of RER connected it with a mix of modern and old school but like high-end materials it's sort of like that so you go down the stairs and you walk right into the event hall and the event hall itself is about a thousand seats the most impressive part in there are the seats themselves it's these like Ferrari leather like gents benches and chairs themselves really nice really comfortable the best part honestly it was that there's outlets right because I needed to use my iPhone after the event to sort of do I do this gadget German now on Bloomberg live oh you can plug a baby I mean that's why you're here baby well okay so check out my gadgets the German live show there you go facebook periscope anyways to the point needed to film the the hands-on area afterwards so I needed the phone to have a full charge so I'm super happy they had plugs and I was able to charge my phone I throughout the event when they were talking two hours of charge gets you pretty much up there enough to do a Facebook livestream so that worked out pretty well very very nice seats and I was sort of at the back of the auditorium and it still had a good view the monitor was pretty high resolution I wasn't able to get a super good look at the projector in the screen but people who were closer say was you know the greatest Dolby vision have you ever been to Adobe cinema I have I have one here right and I know the Metreon here they have the yes IMAX wasn't like that but it was nice yeah hands on room is different sort of hands on room than I've ever been in it was sort of like you felt you're outside we had to go to underground right well the whole the the auditorium in the hands-on room were sort of on the same on the same level but obviously the auditorium dips down like a stadium type seating situation but pretty much all on one level very nice so they had these white tables and then they had a section with the iPhone 8 plus then they had a few iPhone tens very few iPhone 10 sort of in between that the eights and eight pluses and they had a two Apple watch or three Apple watch series so three tables and then in the middle they had sort of like an array of iPhone tents they had the same thing last year and seven and seven plus came out really good pictures lighting the Lighting's really even and bright and not like over saturate there it's like you can get some that's deliberate obvious you were outside you liked it felt like you were outside that's very cool so here let me ask you right off the bat like what were your everyone's talking about the iPhone X so they have a different I phone 10 Brian iPhone 10 I'm gonna call it iPhone X this is why you don't get invited what everyone has their thoughts about the 10 yes well what do you what do you what are your thoughts on what is your take on it I'll think about that are you are you are you going to 56 yeah probably yeah I mean okay so what they did here was really interesting in terms of the capacities they got rid of the 32 and they got rid of the 128 so you're either getting 64 gigabyte which is not enough or are you getting 256 gigabytes which is too much so what there's clearly doing here is they're pushing people to go on the high-end one 256 is great I use about a hundred gigs so in a normal circumstance I would go for the hundred 28 but they don't have that version anymore so I'm gonna go 256 even with iOS 11 and they're better compression of everything it 256 is I don't want to feel crammed yeah I know you never want to feel like you've I always hate it when you have to unload like photos like you start deleting pictures and stuff just cuz right I mean I take a lot of selfies and stuff so but yeah I mean did you like the phone it's nice it's the screen really pops it's like I saw few people describe it as like a punchy colourful screen I agree with that the OLED is nice but to be honest the screen didn't seem that much better than the one on the 8 and the 8 plus or even the 7 1 7 print as you are it didn't seem that much better but again it's a little bit better it's an OLED screen it gives them more flexibility maybe the colors will look better over time with the software remember at this point phones are all software software's wait you're coming for them so here's the thing when we talk about software I'm not a fan again for the record let's be clear I am going to get an X a 10 I know it bothers you that I say X does it I see your eyes does not bother don't call it X right here I won't say it but that notch that notch to me on the top visually it bothers me there's a camp that says who cares get over it don't worry about it but I just um I always felt when I saw it even in the early renders and the stuff that was leaked and you know the information that was out there I just think it would look so much better it's the clear black bar across I know that they they have their own reasons maybe stylistically they wanted to look different or whatever yeah the sensors are all there I don't care about that but I just wanted a clean black line and I just think it it's kind of an eyesore did it bother you at all or as you've seen some people said when they were there now that they look at it a couple days later it bothers them right sometimes it takes people's hot take to turn into what they really feel like right what do you think of the knotch personally yeah I don't care for it it's there you see it you get over it I've been using this essential phone have you seen that phone mm-hmm so you get over that one pretty easily as well and they do some tricks to hide it especially the central an Apple doesn't hide it yeah that's what I'm saying right which is it's an interesting move I mean I see some people up there Apple bloggers whatever you want to call them that you know our self-described design machine Otto's who you know or are trying to you know you know tell Apple design to you who's done all this stuff you know how they should design there's a reason they did a was deliberate they've been working on this for many years so they felt this was the way to go it doesn't distract me at all I mean honestly like when you watch video before you double-click to fill the screen sort of black bars to distract it and you're getting a little bit more screen area right if they eliminated the black bars I mean it's all software right they could decide that in iOS well of next year they want the knotch to look differently they want it to be sort of a seamless thing they could do that it's all software all they have to do is just change the status bar structure so maybe they'll shift to that who knows but for now this is what they're doing and someone at Apple was telling me that they sort of want developers to lead the way on this so developers are going to be able to design their apps however they want just because obviously the SDK is so versatile and if a lot of developers are moving to a direction it sort of hides the notch maybe Apple and move toward that direction as well I think we're in the early innings here with it with the notch which I honestly don't think it's that big of a deal you know I get over at Brian get over the knotch it's not only you I mean there's lots of people and I'm just coming at that perspective just as a consumer like it doesn't bother me I'm like I'm so down on this cutting edge tech you know the slimmer bezels and whatnot I think I think the phone's awesome for my brief 15-20 minutes of usage the face ID is fantastic that's what I wanted to talk to you about you got to use it it's still not and this isn't we're not trying to knock here it's still not as fast as touch ID though is that correct like from your experiences there what did you feel like it's different so touch ID is something that you have to do you put your thumb on the fun print you click the button it's super easy seamless I was making a Apple pay line I was like well that's awesome now that you see the the comparison and what else is coming right but the face IDs a little bit different you don't do anything it's just when you're holding the phone it just knows it's you and then you slide to unlock and you're in right so it's not an action that you have to do this the phone it's sort of an ambient security type of deal where it knows it's you just by looking at it so I think people are going to stop eventually after using these things for a few months feeling like they're doing something to unlock the phone they're gonna just start using the phone I saw a few other people talking about how face ID sort of you know this is something okay let me step back yeah I saw some people saying that Apple didn't want to ever have touch ID on the iPhone 10 that the face ID was sort of a deliberate decision from the very beginning that's that makes no sense to me obviously Apple wanted to have touch ID on this thing from the beginning they weren't able to get it done it was not working properly they couldn't get it in high supply under this play so they move to face idea my thinking is they wanted to have both on this why not right because to your point about it taking longer did you face it even touch ID I disagree with you on the unlocking portion but everything else I'm in complete agreement with you whether that's unlocking an app like mint or etrade those are the two demo apps they had on at the hands-on area or making an apple paper just in having to click the side button twice then I think to get your face so unlocking I think it's better than touch ID but everything else which is still a big part of the equation the big part of the story it takes a couple more milliseconds or seconds you want to say so I think the ideal situation is they would have face idea for this ambient unlocking as well as using that same sensor for the an emoji feature which I'm sure will get you and I'm sure you would love I think that features is fine for you you know it's sure I'm not buying the phone for the an emoji yes it's there I'll use it okay are you fine actually you know when you talked about it has the latest technology I'm gonna get that phone I looked in your eyes and I saw an emojis yeah that's really that's what you were really reporting out literally it's like bursting out of your it's gotta be the poopoo yeah but and I think they would wanted the in screen touch ID for Apple pay and for making purchases and whatnot or you could choose the two of you want but having both that would be pretty you know cutting-edge as well so I think that's what they wanted they couldn't get it done and face ID and it's fine on the other stuff but yeah I think do you think that look we always have to preface this cuz sometimes people get mad like we're lucky to be able to just talk about this stuff have fun with it give our opinions and thoughts on it we're not the actual people that are making this and you know how much work and how much skill and how hard it is to make this stuff deadlines the timelines things happen during the product cycle do you feel like we know that they you know all do a lot of your reporting specifically alluded the fact of you know the fingerprints sensor under the screen did when you see the final product today do you feel like if you ask someone deep down inside at Apple does this feel like really more of like a iPhone 9.5 than a full 10 you know what I mean if if what do you what are your what do you feel you know it's Marketing right totally totally the ten is representative of so many things they said the ten in the name represents the next ten years but whatever that's just what they have therefore their tagline right the reality is is that this is a big upgrade over the iPhone 7 plus if they I think there's a two things going on here if they didn't Kim won't come out with the iPhone 10 and they only came out with the eight and eight plus the other day that would be a disaster based on the competitive land that would have been a horrible disaster all right but if they only came out with the iPhone 10 it also would have been bad because of the very short supply and the higher price so I think the eight and eight plus are sort of you know mitigating that that that space between when these things are going on sale how much they're gonna cost and what the supply is gonna be these things are going to be very hard to find up through probably the first quarter or second quarter even of 2018 and I think it's very interesting because eventually they're gonna not want to sell these eight and eight plus designs remember the iPhone 8 design is the same design as the iPhone 6 other than the glass back that came out in 2014 so that's using the same design in new generation products for for life cycles something they really haven't done but here we have the iPhone 10 as well and I think it's it's a big step up from the from the 7 plus I feel like if I I i feel like i would not upgrade from the 7 plus to the 8 plus but i feel like going from the 7 plus the 10 is a significant upgrade what's your what's your daily driver right now for you personally so 7 plus it's uh it's jet black one right here it is scratched up I've never seen your no case guy from what I can tell I'm a no case you're right not an on the case here's the thing Brian I always buy you always buy a new case every year maybe two different colors and whatnot don't ever use them never no never never actually that's a good point a lot of people been asking me I'm sure you beginning the same questions will the iPhone 8 plus and 10 with the wireless charging work when it's in a case so yes yes there's a Belkin in the tech specs on the Belkin posting it did say it should work with a case that's around three millimeters or around three millimeters which is pretty much almost every case yeah or like some super metallic one maybe they're you know yeah maybe a metallic one that might block that that charge so we're gonna come back in a second we need to do a little love to our word from our sponsor because 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J AM F dot-com slash crunchy we keep it Munchie here thanks Jim all right buddy back to it uh we talked a lot about let me think if there's anything I phone that we didn't cover Oh what do you think did you think Apple was going a little crazy with the marketing names this year like I felt like they were really overextending with like the 11 Bionic and like the super Retina to split I know they have typically I just feel like they're a little more elegant when they said like a 11 Bionic neural engine I'm like bro that's like five or six syllables for your little marketing speak they need to tighten that up it's an interesting shift isn't it right now super Retina display feels like out of a cartoon or something but I also I also think they're trying to appeal more to this a lot of people call the Millennials right I'm not a fan of that term I don't think it really means much you know that doesn't represent me that's that is a derogatory term like you know what you know some people it is but it's clear that they're appealing to those types of peoples and have you seen the ads that they're doing now they did this last year in this year where it's these ads where they splash the device colors people running around in the different words describing it really bad yeah they're basically snapchat and Instagram and Facebook bite-size sort of product teasers and previews and I think those crazy names like Bionic and neural Engine and super duper super turbo Retina Display 3 now you know ads that's the general theme when we talk about Millennials and who they're appealing to I think over the past two keynotes specifically it's interesting because last year they spent a lot of time on messages right and a lot and you know if you talk about what feature did they spend the most time on I had to look at a clock I'm pretty sure was the aunt emojis I'm pretty sure and so I think it's interesting because see from a standpoint of people who love technology we know Apple loves technology obviously they're in this business but also they're in the business of the mainstream consumer now and I just find it interesting that a keynote how they spend a lot of time on things like messages and an emojis and yes they are fun and they're part of the ecosystem but you know they they didn't really talk about maybe they didn't think it was sexy enough Bluetooth 5.0 they really didn't address quick charging USB see click charging in the keynote and they didn't really talk about I think it would been interesting to get a little more in-depth about dude we have a we're recording 4k video at 60 frames per second some of those things that I I felt like in past keynotes that were more about the beef of the tech in it I think it's now pushed aside a little bit and beat and pushed towards like hey we have an emojis more because it's about the ecosystem keeping people in that ecosystem it's not less about the device but there's a higher priority to just keeping people in the Apple ecosystem in not jumping over with things like that I've noticed that as well and I think it makes sense given they're no longer appealing to you and I five years ago where they have this loyal base and they're coming up with products for this base now they're trying to grow that base to everyone who would buy a phone and the market size for a smart phone is billions of people so that's what they have to appeal to it and that's what they're doing can they do more of both yes but you know for this one I think it was such a big move the 10 that they they have to focus more on what you know not you and I want but everyone else I didn't get your verdict on emojis yay or nay I'm never gonna use them are you sure okay I'll try it if I send you an an emoji I think you're gonna an emoji me back like I'll choke you so I'll probably get an an emoji and just get like frustrated okay I'm over this Beach are you down with the animo geez same camp he isn't probably to use it once or twice to be like okay that's how it works you'll never use it again it's like it's a proof of concept of what could be college yeah you know when we talk about let's talk about someone like the cool tech and all the sensors inside that that that hold not although I may not like it visually how they handle it the potential of what it can do not only be this is just the you know scraping the surface which Apple does a lot with their early early models the first time they rollout tech but you know you could see this face recognition may be more easily being used to unlock like doors or you know home smart stuff security stuff it's not integrated into yet we'll see how much they give to the the API to developers but I think there's a lot of power with what their face recognition is doing compared to what we've seen from other companies just what what it actually can do ya know I mean there's a lot to do there I'm honestly really excited to see what developers are gonna do the AR stuff is going to be interesting how that plays and could have they done more I think they could have done much more in terms of first party stuff but with that camera I think setting setting the stage taking a lead on it is something they should have done more other than an emojis obviously yeah yeah no really ya know face ID they showed it with Apple pay they showed it with basically what you were able to do with touch ID already plus an emojis it would have been nice to push the technology a little bit further did you people were complaining I think everyone over reacts and we poked fun at the fact that people are overreacting at the fact that face ID had a hiccup onstage and you know right instantly everyone comes at Apple like it didn't work it didn't work and then when you kind of look back at it it wasn't that it necessarily didn't work it might have been it was set off and then you had to put in your password what what were your thoughts on that because I'm sure people were hitting you up about that yeah don't face ID sucks it doesn't work so yeah my take is very simple it was the tech okay I get that it was the technology okay it failed by design yes exactly it failed by design but using that as a defense for the demo hiccup is not okay it's not an excuse Apple is a trillion dollar company they practice these things a lot they probably went through that demo upwards of 50 times over the last few weeks they've been testing this thing for multiple years probably two to four years they know that they have that design failsafe in their touch ID has had the same failsafe so that's great it did not work by design it wasn't a flaw but it was a flaw in the demo that they should have taken account for they should have known was possible so people defending a trillion dollar company messing up in their demo by saying it was the technology's fault it's not fair just deal with it live with it face ID works it works by design it is super quick it is awesome I actually set it up on one of the demo phones for some reason yeah employee in there let me maybe that's what I'm good at so I set up the face unlock you spin your head around once spinning around again and it works awesome it's quick its seamless the eye thing is really interesting you look away then you look at it yeah I thought that was really cool so it's doing multiple things it's scanning your face but it also has eyes scanning to augment that which is which is really interesting so it's sort of a two-factor ish type of thing you know I'll go all the way and say yes it is a two-factor type of face face and eyeball indication no no that's what it is and it's quick it works well unfortunately demo didn't work but here we are take it from me it works do you have any other thoughts on the iPhone before we move on that you wanted that you didn't get to or that you wanted to talk about I wish it was coming out sooner than November way it gives people time to save up that really want it and you know the whole premise I always found it silly that people were complaining right they see this headline that was literally I remember it being talked about the iPhone might be $1000 arguably I think in like six or seven months ago but right you get sometimes mainstream newspaper outlets that put that headline out a week before the announcement just to kind of get people all riled up and who are you calling out here Brian I will not name those outlets but you know the mainstream outlets that got people all in a fussy about it and we talked about this before I talk to my friends look most of us in our pockets have a phone roughly around seven eight hundred dollars already yeah and if you really want that device you're telling me you're not gonna pay about 10 to 15 more dollars a month if you really want that device yeah yeah if that right so this whole argument that $1,000 it's like then when Apple showed their lineup of phones available then I'm like okay they do have a price point for every phone but it was too much like it was ten eight seven six se that was like that was a lot yeah like a six being there that's yeah that's what I was surprised about that they kept the success in addition to the 7s and whatnot who knows why they did that but I know they can clear out I know that if they've said or they've always been like okay we're off in these cheaper phones for different countries whatnot it's not like the iPhone is blowing up in third world country you know third world countries per se I mean overseas it does well but it's not nearly as popular as here in the US what do you think of the $350 price on the SE I think it's good for kit for like for someone like if I had a niece or nephew and they were gonna get a phone there's no way in hell you know or if I did have kids that I was gonna be giving them a iPhone ten or eight or seven maybe it was that was that one at $5.99 I think yeah anything yeah maybe maybe it depends how good a kid they are I think the plus yeah so that was that was cool um Apple watch yeah I liked you know even though they did what they had to do meaning just putting LTE in the Apple watch I'd use the word lightly but I thought it has the potential at least from that first up to be the most quote unquote I know I don't like to over blow this transform a device because it's like although it's only an hour of call time I'm gonna try I bought one last night because I wear an Apple watch right now really more for like I like the looks of it I haven't charges thing in three or four days good I don't like charging it it's annoying but going to a movie and not bringing my phone maybe or especially going to work out and not having a phone I want to see if I'll actually do that if it actually will supplant and be able to fit in my life what do you think about the Apple watch you don't have to agree it did you like it or what do you think it wasn't a big upgrade other than the LTE but again the LTE itself is a big upgrade it wasn't we know other phones other watches have had LT for quite some time right yeah one hour pretty pretty pretty pretty week here's a scoop for you and yeah yeah baby so you saw the Lake Tahoe demo yes so she actually fell off the paddle board in some of the rehearsals before really yeah you keep your big scoops for you okay you get you could drop as little nuggets here sure so we won't parse this out and the headline will be lady on paddle board at Apple Keynote fell off the paddle board that will not be a headline or a story although that's in this day and age it happens like that but you know what a cool thing would have been is if she was on the phone and then she fell off still and she got off on the pad weren't you stolen that would have been that would have been cool probably people would have said all that was intentional but maybe it would have been did you create real quick you know what just struck me about the Apple watch is it's really cool you can get phone calls and stuff while you're on the go while you're out enjoying your life you know but I'm watching this this commercial or I was watching this this commercial here and this two dudes like surfing he's having a beautiful it's just out there enjoying nature and just beautiful call like it's gonna take you out of your old beautiful serene nature thing you know I just thought that was funny I just wanted to point you're expecting this like dramatic turn oh look I surf there's no way oh it would be worse you sir the phone while you're at a Rip Curl no no no no so funny so uh that was fun Apple TV with it did you pre-order anything yes here's my yeah yeah I want to tell ya I fell asleep like at 11:50 p.m. I was like I put my head down for one minute like 11:50 goodnight with Garmin not gadget right yeah yeah but then the thing the thing is that most of the products were actually available still it wasn't like yeah I shall waste time it was super battery comes out next month I'll hit you up on text and just be like yo Angie wake up that way if I honestly wanted to preorder something I want to fall honestly yeah I would have been fine but it happened and I'm not gonna get an 8 I'm not gonna get an 8 plus the 4k Apple TV so I have a 4k Sony very happy with the quality on the current Apple TV I don't see the need to upgrade bit maybe if I go to someone's house and they have the 4k Apple TV and I'll see it in action they did not have a demo of the 4k Apple TV no not at all as far as I saw in the hands-on area that may have convinced me if I saw it in action but uh maybe I'll check it out at the Apple Store if they ever put it up there Best Buy or something did you expect more things like for example I I've always kind of been a critic of it but I wish I've always wit it's more because I wish Siri was better and smarter and I know it's doing more things they didn't really show that it really could do much at WWDC I thought maybe we'd see something here at this event just because it's phone and Siri were there any things serene or an answer that you thought or you were hoping I know you know so much but that you were hoping to see a little more of the or that Apple could have brought to light to help their case whether it was home pod or whatever you would have been nice to see a home pod demo because they've been saying or hinting that there's more to come on the home pod but you know would've been nice they would have demoed it I don't think they are gonna hold another event specifically for the home pot maybe they'll have another event later in the year that has the home pod a bunch of other stuff but I think they can just put a bunch of features online or briefings or some videos on YouTube they're using a lot of YouTube and Twitter you know it's been days so let's see what they do with that the you are the source man like you're honest I mean I've been giving you props since day one quite honestly let's be real and our shows there's plenty of times right this is the mark Garmin show oh no no like we have outright said look you have provided so much content for the Internet right like I know you're just doing your job you're digging in you're hungry but you've literally provided like years worth of stories and coverage that it's fun because people want to know about it you're as being like the source of story and people that you know let's be honest I I'm I can all right say like people recycle them and sometimes but their own spin on them and maybe sometimes regurgitate them and interact in accurate or even steal them and they don't always give you credit like does that bother you Wow how do you feel about that as your the top of the food chain with this story and then it trickles down all these bottom feeders fine we can call ourselves bottom feeders worth no no but you know what it you know I'm saying like how how does it feel kind of being at the top of that chain though you don't happen these days I I don't think about it that way my my number one priority is making sure that you know I I get the story put it out there and working with great people and making sure you know me and everyone we work together and collaborate whether it's the work we do from San Francisco working with the Bloomberg piers in China and Taiwan and Asia and making sure we're all working together and working with great people and just collaborating you know that's that's how you do good work collaborating with great other great people I don't look at it in terms of a competition with other publications I feel like if we collectively and this doesn't matter if this is when I was at nine to five or no Bloomberg collectively come to work each day with excitement and work hard and you know that's all we can do if we get beat on a story we get beat on a story but as long as we put the effort in and do the best we can that makes me me happy so you know as a super what did you feel about the iOS 11 leak because that actually was there's so much that was given up that took away some of the mystery of what was happening that the event did that bother you or you know whether you're as a fan reporter like it was it was just so much and I almost felt like wow a lot of those things that I probably would have been more hyped up about if I saw them on that day instead of hearing about two days before the keynote did that type of level of leak bother you at all or would you have probably reported or posted the same thing if you were given that gold master I'm I'm just curious you know that's a good question and obviously I have a little bit of bias in this situation because this was a scoop that was done by 9:00 to 5:00 Mack where I you know I helped you able to build that yeah baby well I mean there's Seth Weintraub owner of the 905 sites gets all the credit but obviously I played a very fairly significant part at least on the nine if I max out on the Apple side he does great work on Google and electric cars and Amazon toys and all that but great scoop for them the and I tweeted this after their story the the site nine of five is built and sort of the fundamental element of it is very hardworking reporters who always want to get the story first get the information out there and are willing to work at all hours work very hard and collaborate and that is what that Iowa's Levin scoop is representative of other publications got that scoop as well got that news but the fact that 905 knew exactly what to do with it knew how to drill down on it and they were able to make that judgment call in that decision whether or not to move forward with the story or not and always doing it in a very timely manner and being respectful of the situation and knowing the limits I think they did a really fantastic and admirable job on that and so I'm if it means anything I'm very proud of them it worked out well I saw a lot of criticism of the scoop and people calling it malicious and people saying oh the person who leaked this let down their teammates groomers and you know and everyone just blame everyone because this came out and this is other people who cover or claim to be members of the media saying this that's a little disingenuous I told it is there's there's a jealousy factor that comes with criticizing that too right let's be honest right sure like in the competitive landscape this like you said the scoop is what matters yeah right this is what matters that's why people go that's why people go to these sites you know go to the sites to get the information that they want it's the scoop and if you miss the scoop you know it reflects poorly on yourself because I feel like anytime I miss a scoop in the rare occasions I do I think personally I always ask you know myself and those around me what could have I done better what could have we done better who could who we talked to you to get that story because you know you talk about this food chain I disagree with it meaning much externally but internally obviously you know you want to be you you want to be the best you want to get the stories out you want to collaborate so getting the scoop is very important that's the name of the game that's how you build up a reputation that's how you expand your career that's how you grow that's how you build up a website in our following and you know that's what we do at Bloomberg obviously the best news organization in the world because of that you know decision that scoops are very important and I'm very proud and honored to be part of that that's a good plug too I enjoy my work at Cena but I don't have a elegant sentence like that before we wrap up sure thank you so much for your time of course you'd want to talk about one more thing do you one more thing well actually I wonder about way more things than one more thing we can talk it forever it's Apple and Samsung competitively there's always this back and forth between them you know Android community there's more than just one manufacturer but they've done so many of these things Apple has their own polish and their way a presentation that makes it different in the way that they give it to the consumer the did Apple or Samsung this year do anything to change the market dynamic or really are we locked into the ecosystems for the most part of who's using what phone yeah nothing's changed it's just they both have gotten better and more polished to your to your point is the iPhone 10 a gigantic leap over anything we've seen before no is the note eight or the Samsung sa a gigantic leap over we've had before well I guess the note is a gigantic lead over the note seven because they buy it but burn yeah but other than that no these are not huge leaps forward but they're showing a continued dedication to the product line and showing the smart phones gonna be around for a very long time I don't think we're gonna see a big leap in any major technology until 2019 all right last two questions I know and Mark knows we have some fun beef on Twitter between Laker nation dub nation was waiting for this what what's your projection for Lakers this season 82 and oh no just kidding my inner Lavar ball la defenders the d-league team or the oh my prediction 39 and whatever the other I don't know 39 wins I was gonna be modest and say 81 and 1 for the Warriors I'm gonna go with 71 wins with the dubs this year really yeah that's about what I would say I think they're gonna actually be better than last year but they won't exert themselves as much in the process what I just felt like 58 wins they'd still win the title baby you really think we're gonna win again this year yeah probably well yeah the only reason why I say that is because this is a fool they've been with that team for a full year it's gonna be even crazier this year just because of the familiarity dude it's it's crazy like I feel spoiled as a fan like there's people that just started watching the Warriors two years ago that have no idea what real basketball looks like yeah this is not basketball we're watching no it's pretty amazing um last question yeah okay who's in the finals I'm still gonna say I think the Cavs are gonna pull off some sort of a trade during the season I'm gonna say calves calves or you're still I don't think Boston's gonna be able to do it yo no no I agree Cavs warriors I take his word one for two for one okay I'll give a LeBron a game all right whatever okay for two okay LeBron leaves Cleveland signs with the Lakers whoo it's good the writing's on the wall man yeah Paul George joins him in LA would you rather have Paul George or Russell Westbrook I was Paul George Paul George I'm huge and Russell but he's does that mean oh yeah yes he's a beast though I love that guy okay I know you have to get going do you have a favorite I like this also I'm a foodie guy like you have a favorite restaurant or maybe a favorite place you ate recently that you would say you guys have to check this out you know I can't I can't think of a name for anybody like sushi okay you have any recommendations they'll be great there's this hot spot called Junie but it takes like three months to get into just got Michelin Rail rated what if I tell them I know you you'll still have to go through their reservation system no they six months instead of three months they might do that all right everybody I just want to say thank you so much to mark for coming and hanging out with this just great stuff great insight keep up the great work I really appreciate your time and like all your efforts in work so thanks man keep doing what you're doing we will we will for sure all right thanks everybody that's it for this week we'll be back next week for another episode the a polite extra crunchy extra Munchie just one quick note again we didn't have any calls this week we have so many that we're packed then we're gonna throw in a next week's show