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today is Thursday January 19 2012 my name is Stephen Beecham I am Brian song and I am hollywood welcome to buzz out loud Cena's podcast of indeterminate length it is episode something or other teen 77 15,000 there Steven that's why I'm mutable I'm on the first computer ever so my pages my tabs don't load anymore they just look at me like what do you want what do you mean if we're like really they're like a really old dog and then you're like come here come here play and then the dogs like it's like a 90s Lau do you want for me you guys it's been a long time since we've been in the studio together again it feels like a new experience and let me tell you we're having a few problems with focus a couple of problems because we kind of missed each other it's not that often starting out in the room with nobody bothering us but we're gonna try we're going to do our best to keep it roughly on track today yeah we'll do our best now we want to start things off you guys care about the tech news will deliver it the hottest news coming out today Apple obviously had their announcements education-related over out in New York the big announcements here apple launches their ibooks to their new app that now supports digital textbooks this is going to be a main thing that a lot of the larger publishers in education are behind this like mcgraw-hill Pearson hue and mifflin harcourt these are text books right now I books too is a free update on your iPad or your other devices you can go the textbook section currently the textbooks that they have it's about only like maybe 10 to 12 there are high school textbooks right now one of them is free so you can kind of trout and play with the concept it's the life and science from national but this is one of the things that we expected to see because pretty much the story broke before the announcement even broke about what was going to happen but uh well the funny thing is I was saying before the show that the story kind of broke in the book a little bit in this new jobs right well it just it's just so much that I am exactly at that point yeah in the book where he's talking about wanting to redefine the textbook industry and about how it's an 18 billion dollar-a-year market that is ripe to be disrupted yeah and this seems to be the start of it yeah when you talk about we'll just talk about the textbooks quickly then talk about some of the other announcements when you talk about disruption the textbook is going to be priced at 1499 and this is really where the publishers are trying to sell these books directly to the student now if you talk about schools and high schools typically the books when they purchase for them around $75 to maybe let's say 75 two hundred dollars but this is because they keep these books proximately around five years and so that's where the cost of investment goes awesome racket yeah and yeah and also I'm not yeah I'm it's also its own scheme we've known it's it's own scheme so now they're saying okay we'll sell them directly to the student the challenge is a student still has to have an iPad yes right now that's a 499 iPad will we see that price drop in the next coming months with the new announcement and maybe a smaller phone factor probably at least a price drop but the still the entry low the you know the barrier to entry is still going to be you need to own an iPad well and then you will probably need to own several iPads you know I mean like Lindsey Turrentine wrote a blog post today saying the devil is in the hardware when it comes to this if schools are going to try to provide iPads nightmare because you know any piece of technology in a classroom last 6 to 12 months if you're lucky because it just gets so beat up but I wouldn't be surprised if not a sort of a standardized experience if the if the textbook is different on iBooks than it is in the classroom it's probably not going to be accepted material for curriculum they have to find a way to standardize this experience through throughout classrooms possibly that will mean like you alluded to a cheaper education-focused version of the ipad that maybe schools can buy but um it definitely there's a lot of hurdles to get over the best approach to this obviously would be to make I book you know textbooks that you can sell on iBooks that could also run on an android tablet that were epub format you know I mean if these are lockdown formats then I sort of feel like it is necessarily limited well not necessarily limited but it is you know it's it's limited and then it its potential to me is really crippled like I hope that these are open formats the other challenge you have here when you talk about standardization is the different experience and not every student is going to plunk down the cat cash Apple we have seen in the past they've work on pilot programs with specific schools where they've equipped them you know the entire schools with previously iBooks laptops and ipad programs with college partnerships but again just even from my parents are both teachers okay yeah now Apple is ushering this new generation of teaching will talk about itunes you in a moment and some of the other the ibook apps platform but to tell to have a teacher who's been working in it as a teacher let's say we have plenty of teachers that are been what 20 25 years working industry and all of a sudden for them to change over and try and you know my parents still are trying to learn how to program a VCR right I have to do that and so you have this fragmentation or this split between generationally a teacher that a has the time to invest and not only learning these digital tools uploading this content there's some that are there's plenty of teachers that are more tech savvy than others but i would say for the most part it's like a 50-50 split and even the people that are in the middle that are still kind of techy but still old school they're probably going to lean on their old school I don't want to call it old school tendencies on the tendencies that they've been used to using so from a teaching experience you can't say even as a college professor we're going I'm going all-digital if you want to be in my class you have to have an iPad you have to be able to access and use itunes you even even from that standpoint and it makes it a mix it at you know a difficult situation but I like the push but yeah there's a lot of hurdles for this too like you said get standardized I also really worried about this increasing that John Strickland put it perfectly and I wasn't say the same thing which is I really worried about this increasing the digital divide among students because if it becomes the kind of thing whereas where a teacher or a school says okay you can use that version of the class of the book if you have an iPad then you'll have rich kids in the school who have maybe a more interactive textbook a more interesting learning experience as opposed to kids who are not only lugging around the like 35 or 40 of getting the kind of scoliosis that you only get when you're carrying 85 pounds of books all day in a backpack but they might have older versions that they're less engaged in and suddenly you have that sort of economic divide dictating the pace of learning even more than already does so these books are only available in iPad you can't buy it through the itunes store and just using a laptop or something front from what I haven't tried to buy it directly from my itunes on my pc but from what i gather at least the textbook section is specific to ibooks so you know we'll see how that is we'll see how it shakes out also just to how do you want to say so I'm just gonna say they need to open it up for laptop there's another they really do this at least open up your desktop users to ya I didn't make an announcement related to that from what I saw or read so maybe that's some they can easily adapt that so maybe that's something where they go later on in a month like you know what we're also going to make this available to desktop users that would at least help to some degree but also lets just we'll kind of pound through some of the other announcements that they did apple also announced their new iBooks Author app for OS 10 now you do have to be running lion to take advantage of this I thought this was pretty sweet this enables think of it i like to call it keynote / pages for books right so this uses very similar to the keynote layout where you have and there's templates to create your own text books whether it's you know geared toward science or math but you could also if you're a programmer somebody wants to make like an elegant book they're going to be able to allow you to code in JavaScript and HTML to create custom widgets to interact with these books we're I think if you want to talk about something that's going to change the game a little from a user experience and just from information books I think this iBooks Author app you know for special interest of I you know I think about video game guides I think about specific topics that's you know a publisher who's at home or an independent publisher who could really create some amazing stuff and then you can directly publish this book to the iTunes or sorry the ibookstore I think this is this is pretty interesting and compelling to just from a creative standpoint or bringing books to the prosumer consumer yeah amazon has something similar which is self-publishing but they don't have the ability to actually paginate as far as i know your own book to really create your own super fancy book i think that's pretty cool i mean it you know it democratizes book creations yeah not just text books right like any cool book that you want to make i think this is this i'm already looking at this thinking like I have this children's book that I've been meaning to write for a long time called no really mr. Zhu now it's time yeah totally hey maybe you can sing it because it's a book and a song really uh-huh I'll tell you about it 1,000,000 kisses 1,000,000 kiss ok that's really cool we're look on it anyway and then itunes u becomes i did you know um you're not gonna be doing that book you're fighting a little bit I'm in kisses I should see now gets dirty no I shown your cheek I know what it's gonna get weird okay I'll stop I'm pretty sure if you do it's gonna get sexual itunes u becomes an education hub a little bit more really it it is in fact exactly what they said it would be which is what was an e-book and education focused event and don't get me wrong I don't want to I don't totally want to harsh the textbook buzz I think there are some big hurdles I do think though that that is an industry that needs to be disrupted because I think students are at a disadvantage because their books are not up to date I just don't know that one company especially a company that is most famous for lock-in to its own products can necessarily be trusted to kind of create the revolution you know there's a lot of strings attached to that revolution there's also i mean sometimes when you look at that stuff it also comes down to relationships and Apple has pretty strong solid relationships in the education market so it's again just like we saw in the consumer market it's an adoption thing yeah if we have major universities and schools and right now the iBookstore textbooks are only for high school level books right we're not seeing college level textbooks yet and those typically get you know updated year after year and you know for people that have been in college or are in college you buy a book there's a new book every year the colleges don't hold on to those books four or five years you buy a new book every year so it's a little different model over there but here with iTunes U this is going to be a service now really there go to hub that allows professors to interact with their students post messages sends out assignments and share their syllabus syllabi right multiple mm-hmm but um this again I think it's really cool the end they talked about universities that are already on board with this Duke Stanford Yale and others but again this is coming down to that tech divide where you still have in college you know let's say someone like my liberal arts teacher they're not going to probably be saying you got to use itunes to find out everything about my class it's like taking the analog and digital and putting all that responsibility in those two different worlds on one teacher who's already out of their minds teaching five different classes right so there there's a challenge there I like the fact that we're trying to do this push in the digital age with education but it's going to it's going to take a while it's going to take a lot longer than most but then I think people think it's not going to happen like in a year where everything's going to be every teacher is going to be having digital platforms and doing everything digitally it's gonna take time it's gonna take a long time for sure and and you know it all happening in Apple's garden is a little unnerving to me but we'll see how it starts not to Apple right no it's great today I don't know when it we have seen the Occupy movement talk a lot about what happens when you turn education into a business you know and when you try and it's not as though the textbook industry has not been profiting but anybody who buys a book can use that book right it's not like you buy a book and you can only use it on the text book makers desk like it's there's a lot of interlocking parts there that one company wants to make money off of and I that and and you see Duke and Yale and Stanford pull even farther away from every writer city and if this is fraught this is very frightened mercedes-benz of colleges are the ones like we're on board right where's that where's the state systems that you know the JC systems like they're one person to create it even farther away is it's creating a divided just by looking at who's supporting this right out the gates it's not like Apple said deanza college in cupertino would you like to be one of our schools right one of our pilot programs feel like I know thank you where do we cannot afford three thousand iPads so you know I it if they're willing to donate iPads to all these institutions awesome buddy we'll see alright moving on I am pretty sure I did you know what I have to say I fell into the trap I knew if I knew that yesterday was SOPA blackout day obviously I was super for it in fact i participated in my own way by being at jury duty and therefore unable to publish publish or tape anything you were you were blocked out from the I was blacked out from the internet by being a dirty dude um well then i went to craigslist yesterday just like dan today to do oh crap but good for you craigslist oh okay it was like watching any cool apps online like late Tuesday night all these sites started to go down Wikipedia uh went after a slight delay switched over to a page informing people about sopa craigslist went down wordpress took their site down all the the cheezburger network sites went down a lot of people took their personal blogs down it was a heat it was I have to say very inspiring it seemed like a hugely successful coordinated protest against the Stop Online Piracy Act and the protect innovation and piracy whatever act pipa pipa the Senate version pippa um and it seems to have had an impact are you saying that the internet the Internet community as a whole was able to maybe let these senators see what was because at the hearings they heard they didn't hear anything from our side exactly they didn't even know he was real and supporters right yep Mark Zuckerberg yesterday formally came out against SOPA for the first time it said Facebook is opposed to sopa and then the senator roy Blunt Missouri Republican said quote I'm withdrawing my co-sponsorship for the protect IP act senator john Boozman withdrew his name as a co-sponsor of protect IP senators are fleeing like rats from a sinking ship when it comes to their support of SOPA John Carter a Texas Republican listed as its oppa sponsor quote reserves judgment on the final bill at this point I will not support a bill unless my constituents are comfortable with it said sponsored tim Griffin an Arkansas Republican it's I was truly inspired and proud of that the tech industry overall I mean I feel like it was not just like angry blockers you know no is it was like our own little internet spring here's the beauty of this and I don't think it can be under state enough in the past when there was an issue that you had with your with your senator or representative you have to write a letter or make a phone call right how many times are they going to actually see that and feel that by the time you do that the issues probably been passed or voted on by that time but here they were able to see the entire collective like I think there was something around like it Google said there were like something like 4.5 million people signed an anti so visit petition yeah they all needed like 300,000 4.5 million people participate that if you talk about some of the Twitter numbers there are over 2.4 million sopa related tweets all right that's going to catch someone's eye and someone's attention and the fact is that these senators 13 and Counting pulled out of their support after they realized why do these why do our citizens and constituents feel this way they actually probably looked at the issue a little more closely instead of just listen to what they heard at their hearings or how these bills were shaped and proposed by the by the studios that helped to create them yeah it was really it was pretty remarkable and then in addition to all of the online petitions and the blackouts I do want to point out that the calls did roll in 22 Senate and House offices and I think that is just as important apparently the phone lines were flooded yesterday I mean they were getting hundreds of calls an hour from people expressing their support you know it's really interesting because a buddy of mine from Consumer Electronics Association told me that he was at an event with the riaa CEO Kerry Sherman and he came up to him and said hey buddy you guys are doing a great you guys doing a great job with this little grassroots thing you got going here this anti this little this little really like no idea right this was a while ago for sure no idea no idea that look America may have its differences right like politically and when it comes to do you know there there's none of this should be taken to mean that the people on the internet are pro piracy or pro stealing but no America is not about extremism like once you come along Recording Industry and movie industry and you are you're purely and brazenly trying to protect your outmoded business model by censoring speech online we're not having it and I thought that was remarkable that that was such an that was just an easy it was just an easy call right like you don't get to break the internet because you refuse to innovate that's just not happening that's too far in one direction and I have to say like I think in general that's usually how America response all right when we go too far in one direction that's that's it we recognize it and we come together and we make it stop and that was great and you know we're probably we're going to still see these bills rear their ugly head but there there's going to be hopefully with this a new reshaping of what they are because in any negotiation if it's if it's too heavy on one side you in any type of negotiation you want a bill you kinda have to get it where both sides are unhappy about the final bill meaning everyone's not getting exactly what they want but they're getting some of those things and there's oh there's going to be a way where there will be some sort of middle ground it's not going to sway completely to our side where soap and PI PO will not even exist I think they will still have they will still exist in some way shape or form but we're gonna at least I'm going to be able to come to a middle ground instead of this ridiculous bill that pretty much triples and disables when you tell people we're gonna take away some of your internet and someone goes why because we can doesn't work cuz for the money also okay can we show this little picture thing real quick yeah totally okay so just this this is a little fun thing about you know who who violates you know what sopa is talking about well we all know that Lamar Smith who was the author of SOPA and he has his own official campaign website and what happened is there's a background image Lamar Smith was using of this kind of I don't know forest outdoors image and someone managed to locate the image and find out who the original photographer was DJ shil and it looks like Lamar Smith forgot to click the author of the image in the back of his campaign website that he was using the headline copyright violator that's his official website copyright violator an image take it down take it out Lamar the headline was like the awkward moment when you break the kind of law that you're trying to force onto a miracle although let's be fair we all know that Lamar Smith did not write that legislation the are a double-a and the NPA rosalyn he barely even knew what was in it they asked him about he was like DNS what now um there probably wasn't even dns it all fell there they'd even use those that acronym but like don't get cocky you know if i had to cook if I had to caution anyone at this point we don't get cocky because the MPAA has not back down even though the number of senators and Congress people withdrawing their support for these two bills is just like up up up up up taking up the mpaa denounced all of the blackouts in protest yesterday as quote stunts they said it was an abuse of power they were taking swipes against Wikipedia on Twitter somebody one of the like an RA a person on Twitter so yeah you know all these kids are now gonna have to do real research and check their facts like really yeah yeah these guys aren't these guys are not here in it these bills are not dead and there is no question that this fight is going to continue I think that IP intellectual property fights are going to characterize the coming year and beyond and it's not and in fact there's every possibility that some of these measures will be replaced with sort of quieter more dangerous measures adam curry blog this week about a sort of parallel effort in congress to force everyone who registers a domain anywhere to use their real verifiable information right so that there's no way that you can register a domain under a fake name or with a shell corporation or something like that you have to be tracked down personally for every website that you create that's a pretty when you think about it that's a sweeping change it's pretty dangerous precedent that's going to take a long time to to vet all those people hands continually yeah and an expensive one but as soon as your website is tied to you directly forget about it Wikipedia writer where WikiLeaks forget about any site that wants to do whistle blowing forget about any site that wants to promote dissent in a in a dictate in a dictatorship as long as I can control those domains and they can track it right to you there's still a problem there so it's not nobody's nobody won anything yet it was like we're was a really good bad or hat we're have we're happy that we all participated in this but keep it a battle rages and wages on it's basically like keep it up yeah definitely keep it up but it ain't ova it ain't ova nobody Nova ah ain't oppa that was a really that was an exciting day online and I think it was really a turning point for kind of online activism like everybody was reporting on it and it was a really it was a big deal it's good stuff it's good stuff we're gonna take a break when we come back we actually you have more news oh my gosh no filler news show talking for like an hour um when we come back the death of a childhood brand it's still alive just barely it's like limpin Facebook's insta spam and ATT just doing some you screw up like debut sponsor our show alright guys welcome back to buzz out loud see nuts amazing podcast of in a term of the lake miss molly wood in the house see hi it's so indeterminate it's so we don't even know how a determinate it is alright Steven Beecham in the house howdy alright kid if we ever did figure out a time then would we be the determinate errs I'm away if if we had the little too don't don't I'll give you that one alright gotta bet it's on this thing it is actually that's actually more appropriate that's a nice always shoot me now is it is pretty knowing all right guys back to the stories cut out okay a couple weeks ago we talked about Kodak was pondering Oh finally for chapter 11 bankruptcy that has happened now they announced it officially last night that it's filed for chapter 11 but the company is hoping emerged from bankruptcy in 2013 so that's about a year and a half or so there hope to get out of their secure 950 million dollars in debtor-in-possession financing from Citigroup it'll allow them to keep operating during this restructuring period they've also appointed vice chairman the fti consulting Dominic Dina Poli as their chief restructuring offer officer so we'll see what happens they did make preview know they have been involved in previous attempts with some of their patents for doing that and they're still doing they have I believe they have a they're working on things against what HTC I think apples one of the people that they've a claim violates some of their patents that were also talks about Kodak potentially just looking to sell their patent treasure chest cuz we've seen that happen with a lot of companies but at this moment they're hoping to emerge and come back in 2013 from bankruptcy we'll see what happens but again we talked about a couple weeks ago the iconic codec brand yeah there was something on Twitter at that time that said you know like thanks for thanks for developing all this amazing camera technology and putting yourself out of business well you look at here are some of these numbers here during this time right they're trying they're trying to shift their over their model they've closed 13 manufacturing plants 130 processing labs reducing their workforce by 47,000 employees this is since 2003 which is a gradual just kind of the gradual decline and how technology has changed the game yep you gotta keep up kanal but you can i'll just be patents uh but i don't even know how to characterize this next bit of news but facebook held an event yesterday and as far as i know they didn't talk about log normalized graphs at all that's cuz they didn't report about that because that's almost boring good point nobody even went yeah um the facebook announced 60 new partners that have integrated their applications with open graph which is the underlying technology that allows companies to engage in friction quote-unquote frictionless sharing on Facebook we love that we love that well frictionless um friction is what makes it fun um and they opened up open graph to everyone so everyone can now engage in spammy I mean sharing via no seriously like I don't even think people realize the tsunami of spam that is now headed your way on facebook as everyone starts you know that ticker I know that ticker yeah that ticker got a whole lot more spanning that was not gonna be going like tick tick it's gonna go and you know that at some points yeah exactly you know at some point one of these apps is gonna cut a deal with Facebook like just let us know maybe we can share our stuff in the news feed just this one time and then pretty soon it creeps on over if it's not in the ticker anymore I mean that's not even really clear yeah at this point whether all of that sharing is going to happen in the ticker Sharon Vaknin had a good how to about the things to know before you start using facebook timeline apps because these apps are all rolling out in conjunction with the slow and steady creep of the timeline into everyone's a facebook experience man Facebook's gotten complicated I read it I've noticed a lot less people posting on their really distant since the timeline thing came out with that big giant picture that I everyone hates well you guys hate that big picture I do honestly I like it like it's not the picture it's how heavy the pages now and then it's trying to load your entire like and then when they rolled that out to mobile like to put the time line interface on the freaking mobile app that's here try just try to go to your own profile on your mobile a panty and a half an hour later tell me what you think like it is just takes a long time a long time hey dude anyway though back to the 60 companies tripadvisor ticketmaster every time you buy tickets to a concert autopost dig kobo zynga Rotten Tomatoes BuzzFeed there's a whole long list of the companies that have signed up for open graph so just be aware when you start using these apps that there is a possibility that you might start sort of insta sharing everything that you're doing it will probably ask you for permission to authorize the first time but once you authorize the app it will never ask your permission again you can go in and change those settings but you'll have to do that yourself manually there's also some just because everyone's worried about how much will these things share there's a some of the apps that are going on like fab.com they've talked about how some of your purchases will be actually will be hidden so there's certain private things for example fab.com cells maybe some like intimate products that won't instantly be shared or post on your timeline or wall which is nice one other thing that I found kind of cool but then the same time kind of creepy as the fact that companies can also how do I say this share within other open graph companies so they use an example where let's say you're listening to Spotify and you also are using ticketmaster and both of those our apps are using with the open graph ticketmaster can tell that you're listening to a concert from let's say Backstreet Boys Backstreet Boys and then tell you from the ticketmaster side when Backstreet Boys concerts are going to be available in your area that's kind of cool but then it's also kind of creepy at the same time right it's like it's a little too much but the fact is that these apps can also talk to one another with the open graph platform right so it's it's really up to you if you want to be involved I feel like I'm less and less involved in facebook because it just gets more and more more more just creepier and creepier it's just too much now it's too much and it's just it's so much that it's beyond its now such a complex system that it's beyond understanding right like I don't understand what this app is doing and why some stuff is in the ticker and some I mean I do right but it's sort of like it gets or the more and more confusing it gets to the everyday user it just becomes like I don't like this and they just hear this sort of constant noise from the background from the media that's like I don't know privacy and sharing I just think that Facebook is I think they're in danger of driving away their users at this point yeah I mean it's not like i'm using google plus either but it's just that I don't want it I don't want all of that stuff to be there you know I'm kind of just realizing that exactly like maybe I don't need this but I don't think I don't think we're alone I feel like there's a point where we've become a little oversaturated with this whole social media generation social media wave and people are starting to pull back a little there's still plenty people jumping online but there's a point where after you've shared so much like I don't want to share as much anymore yeah so maybe I don't know we need to get some like kids on this show I'm kind of curious yeah seriously Google+ god it is awful it is so span so filled with spam I don't even sign on it's just I mean I'm trying to use it and I really want to like it and there are a lot of followers there although i think that most of them are spammers and it's it's really overwhelmed they have got to get a handle on that because it's kind of a nightmare to use and so it's just not as people like are looking for an alternative to facebook google+ need to figure out how to make google plus a nicer place to be I've got an alternative call your friends your real friends and understand column text them okay Skye do that text them I did go on google+ for the first time just a tryout hang out like just cuz I'm like uh I guess I'll go on google+ yeah like my friends like let's hang out like all right I use Google+ exclusively to just curate all the podcasts that produce so if you want to go follow me on Google+ you'll see every podcast show i predict hey there you go good to go curia that's a power tip by steven Beecham pretty haha Danny Danny Danny in the chatroom says my kids are kind of bored with facebook they only use it because they don't have cell phones and they can only find their friends via Facebook more and more I actually agree more and more I'm just using facebook is like a little mini linkedin oh my go well I can't remember that person's email so I'll just um send them a facebook message yeah that's good yeah I'll writing yeah yeah it has its uses let's move on shall we AT&T just stumpy they've retooled their data plans retooled and by retooled we mean upped the pricing across the board for data plans as they've done away completely with unlimited plans I think even grandfathered unlimited plans right we're angry email about that there's no cheese I'm sorry there's no change for grandfather current customers so if you are on an unlimited plan which is already throttled you can stay on it but if you get a new plan or new contract you will go over so now currently you could get 200 megs per month for fifteen dollars two gigs for 25 or four gigs for 45 all three plans are getting a five dollar price increase so they go to 300 megs three gigs and five gigs so they get more expensive but you now get more data so even though I really feel for majority of people they don't really use 200 megs of data life or a majority even 200 megs hey guys no no I'm saying not on Wi-Fi I'm saying just through the data carrier if you ask a lot of people not too many people well our audience is different but let's say I don't even use 200 megs of 3G data on my phone because we're primarily on Wi-Fi right so AT&T is saying you know what we're gonna give you 300 megs we're gonna charge you five dollars all the more although again most people don't go over 200 I have to say although i preface this was saying that 18t was being evil again um they they are increasing prices but they're all the overall cost per bite across the board is lower and they are increasing their data caps which I actually think is kind of a good thing right i mean in the week keep complaining that companies are doing away with unlimited data and that they're throttling back at a time when everybody's using more data AT&T at least is saying everybody's using more data so we're going to offer higher data plans I i think this and then you should as a consumer you're absolutely right Brian like every consumer should track how much they actually use because there's a very good possibility that you only need the twenty dollar plan thank you don't need the $45 plan that's what I'm saying I guess what I'm trying to say is that for that higher end like you said increase the data caps give you more bites or at a better price yeah that's for someone that uses data have you but when I'll when the all of my friends for the most part on the 3g or edge date or whatever they're using is under 200 this is really just them pushing that higher so that they can make a little money and then what makes me look at it from the outside even more is that look AT&T said we were going to acquire t-mobile and it everything would be great we're going to offer you guys more services but here it's like what a month after that whole thing fell apart and they're increasing the prices on data plan well they gotta make up for lost that they took him yeah million billion with that just you go see if they really if if they were really okay we wouldn't I feel like we wouldn't it's not like all the other carriers are doing this right now AT&T is the one doing this yeah so it's not that there was a pretty good tweet about this yesterday or the day before that said if they were really feeling the bits think this is the kind of thing you can only do when you already have a very dominant position in the marketplace right when it's you versus verizon and everybody else is so far behind because if you're really feeling the competitive pressure you lower prices you try to be more competitive I mean what 18t could have done to win over customer goodwill to demonstrate that they are actually concerned about pricing and a price war is raised the data limits without raising prices right like data is actually pretty cheap so that said though it's not the most unreasonable thing I ever heard you're getting more for your money and in fact you are getting more for your money now than you were under the previous plans it's cheaper provide if you want to pay extra if you if that's okay with you what well you don't have to pay $45 at least that's an option yeah i think verizon got rid of their lower end option they used to have a fifteen dollar plan and now they don't so they're in line with verizon at this point okay moving on in other a smartphone and carrier I don't know we're totally like what I hate them right okay yeah yeah exactly did you did you get real quick did you guys get the 18-team message to free your data usage among the top five percent of users that data speeds for this cycle may be reduced have you got that okay the throttle me I have unlimited cuz I'm grandfather did yeah oh yeah there's no such thing as unlimited they still totally it's it's a it's a limit Ronald it's a limit Ronald exactly it's a limit Ronald yeah and you can guess what we pay for that you just been throttle that's funny a my friend posted like a screenshot of that on facebook with that that message from 18t and it just you just wrote under it f you AT&T it's a little Emma throttled it's a new plan it's a new buzzword yeah that'll work 4G confusion limit righto all you care about is your unlimited plan not available to new subscribers unlimber throttle is not available to new subscribers main coverage may vary depending on your region of location a new survey reveals that Apple's iOS smartphone operating system is closing in fast on Android done it is and they mean it specifically on iPhone and this is not an iOS across the board cuz I was like oh they just beam i pod touch us too but i don't think they do because it with the survey was conducted by Nielsen and found that among Americans over the last three months who bought new smartphones 44 and a half percent bought an iphone vs forty six point nine percent who bought an android phone how's that blackberry doing or 4.5 percentage did you say 45 oh sorry for poor 5.5 yeah my bad windows a phone was not mention the survey stands in stark contrast to an earlier while their phones i don't know but it's still even feels brutal actually when you win that when the mention is it wasn't mentioned in the results like it's like ah damn that sucks not even one dude we don't even know if they asked about it it just didn't come up but there was a survey taken in october just recently in october and polled Americans who bought a new smartphone with in the previous three months at that time twenty-five percent had bought an iphone while 61 percent went with an android handset so the iphone sales and let's not kid ourselves it's because it's on more carriers now for God's sake iphone sales are starting to creep up creep back up to android levels well you know they have the new iphone model like came out just before then and also they have a cheaper iPhone where you can get one for ninety-nine dollars on contract or even one without a car you know so that's gonna make up a lot of that space if someone says I could get an iphone with just a contract yeah I'm gonna get it yeah I mean obviously the 4s was probably the biggest driver of those numbers for sure but I mean there's no question it's kind of interesting because what you just pointed out is that like there are now a lot of choices and I phone market you mean choice actually is a good thing which is why Android was outselling iphone someone cuz there were so many choices now you have many choices of carriers many choices of actual device and price points amazing what a concept we'll see and then in funny news of the week okay this is why the internet is amazing i love it not only kid not only can we have senators pull out from their support of sopa and pipa yep we can also be set on fire by Rob Lowe just just in the middle of that exact same day right like oh we're talking about a soap online and whatever is concerned and then and then all of a sudden there's a little trending thing that's just like what Rob Lowe what cuz Rob Lowe possibly needing a little attention tweeted a sex tape for like years yes we did yesterday on Wednesday Dan your eighteenth and he heard a rumor from his quote people that peyton manning the quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts was retiring now because he had that a season-ending neck injury at the beginning of the state of 2011 yep and then he said and then he was like well wait I mean that's what I hear but i'm not sure and like that i've heard that from my sources are you guys hearing yeah let's hope my info is wrong colts fans i don't like being wrong but this time i'm hoping what are you hearing NFL you know what he should he should get it in a minute you should get in the apple rumor business really sure i don't think that that could be a new career for Rob Lowe you really should my sources tell me Archie Manning father of peyton and eli laughed when he heard that Rob Lowe said Peyton Rita will retire quote he said no yeah retiring I think you would have told me although let's be I have to dread everybody's making fun of Rob Lowe I think he was right and i think the peyton manning should retire because if he ever gets hit again he's gonna die nobody needs to see that well I'm serious he is gonna retire like I bet Rob Lowe just heard this too soon everybody was like kidding look let's let's let's just because it's the end of the show let's just shift from tech and to spend 30 seconds on football they're going to draft Andrew Luck exactly they're getting but Peyton's not gonna retire they need Peyton on the roster so that he can train and mentor Andrew Luck that's a pain wants to do that that's a pain wants to do that painted a very lucrative career in commercials he's very does oh I know and he's he's very smart and well spoken like he's gonna be a commentator like he's gonna be fine he's not like Brett Favre who clearly has nothing else to do and that's why he keeps coming back take pictures of his Lili brett farr ever you know he has plan to do he's part of the internet generation too yeah i think some acid peyton is gonna do Payton's gonna do like a working retirement like he's gonna suit up but he's never gonna play give me like joe Montana's gonna be in commercials forever I pray that you never plays again because i didn't know that guy died on the field he's a nice man he does a lot for a big brother I interviewed him one time when I lived in Nebraska he's a really good guy awesome alright uh in other football news not actually not football in other celebrity tweet news what was it thing about Marky Mark didn't he tweet yesterday no it was an interview never mind but it was all over Twitter that Marky Mark had said that he could could have stopped none of them okay okay are you dead serious right now I was on Howard Stern and he was like bud been on that plate like horrible not funny right one thing poor taste Marky Mark if if I was on that plane remember he's being held up by wires and he could have his movie could have prevented he could have Leah he said he would have stopped the attacks from happening if he had been on guys sit down let's just let's just stop yeah you all you are is famous I wasn't listening I don't know the context it could have been in joke in jest but I just don't say that don't say that all right actually move straight on down people tuned out yet no there no but let's move straight on down straight on down to the beach oh I fooled you I boom there we go amen all right uh we talked about this earlier this email comes to us from our buddy Nate Nate says hi data usage alert really a team really the only reason i tolerated your crappy service for so long was that i was grandfathered into an unlimited iphone data plan so really after my whole family has iphones on the same plan and we're all on to your contracts you now are going to start throttling our data speeds in addition to capping the data on the new lines really he says really a lot I just hope this lets me break my contract and move to sprint I'm sure the coverage is abysmal and the call quality sinks but really really isn't is that any different 18-0 really with seven ah yeah I let me tell you this there's no way you're gonna get to break your contract over this but just may do the math right cuz sometimes you save enough money by going to the because you get the cheaper phone like it might be worth paying your cuz the the early termination fees are prorated so if you're close to the end of your contract like I've been thinking about moving over to sprint because i only have like four months left on my contract is basically would add up like one payment did you ever did you break your contract to get the iphone no i bought in an ebay oh that's right that's right yep I don't four okay let's get at it I want you all to know just a little update I am keeping my eyes on the Galaxy Nexus oh no absolutely on Sprint Galaxy Nexus I'm on Prince i support elite feeling that exhibit lee everyone is like saying do a prize i'm honestly waiting to do an iphone 4s prize fight once a galaxy samsung nexus comes out on sprint specifically because they're not crippling that they're a wallet service and that phone is amazing and the two phones that honestly I'm going to throw out the two phones i only care about right now i actually don't even care about the iphone for us because my iphone 4 pretty much does justice fine but fine if you want to say the newest of 4s and Galaxy Nexus yeah those are the two hottest phones right now I also think getting back to that Nielsen survey and to say this earlier I think that a lot of the Android sales at least among the kind of hero phone purchasers were depressed by the fact that everybody was waiting for the Galaxy Nexus to come out so I think it's possible that the Nielsen numbers could be a little more interesting in the next three month report because iphone 4s had come out but there was no really comparable new cool android joan and galaxy yes but Nexus was obviously delay delay delay delay Nexus on the verizon though was kind of like up I know kind of a letdown because verizon really ruined it yeah like they do all right next email Cameron writes in and says lately I've been hearing that cnet supports SOPA is that true do you even have to justify this area haven't sir uh I actually our chat room was asking us a lot uh because CBS has been listed as one of the companies that support sofa CBS as a Content company it actually wouldn't be particularly surprising and les Moonves is death on online piracy right he is super like he's very hardcore on that issue I think it's all emails from we do a lot so I think that CBS corporate probably has been listed as a supporter of SOPA I suspect that they're reconsidering because it's kind of one of those like yeah we support stopping online piracy right that was an easy thing to put your name on and as more details come out who knows what the corporate stance is right now I can tell you that cnet obviously we don't and you have been allowed to say whatever we want from Declan mikkola to our show to reporters roundtable to you know I mean like most of the cnet staff has been pretty outspoken against SOPA because we're part of the technology community and kudos to CBS for valuing what we do as a website or not listening hopefully that's not good and letting us you know but maintain our editorial integrity on this matter unlike the wall street journal which posted an op-ed that one can assume was written word for word by Rupert Murdoch oh yeah they came out for SOPA in favor of SOPA and PIPA like there is no chance that Murdoch didn't write that crap for them no chance that that's genius i we talked about it a couple weeks ago we need to reiterate for those of you that didn't hear us two weeks ago there is no way in hell that we support Soper Piper right and if you want to talk about just really quickly there's a list of a lot of these companies it goes even beyond media companies we have companies like liz claiborne l'oreal lucky brand jeans these are companies whose things like counterfeit goods they're really there also has to be a distinction between counterfeit goods and intellectual property like clearly defined in the soap and Piper bills but there are companies that have that are not media companies that are also supporting this bill and then you know yes until they realize the the ramifications of it you know maybe some of them will drop off as well because all of these companies are rightly concerned about piracy and counterfeiting yeah period right and so are we nobody here is saying that everything should be free and information to me I don't get me wrong the entire retail industry realized decades ago that theft is a cost of doing business that is the case right and you have to structure your business around it and figure out part of that's just an actuarial table kind of thing and I think that the digital distribution industry the content industry has had a hard time figuring out that math when it comes to digital distribution I'm curious about the math because I know that when I worked in retail loss prevention was accounted we try to keep it somewhere like under ten percent when you think about it ten percents a pretty hefty numbers I know that's a high number yeah but you know somewhere between ten to fifteen percent specifically you know when you're talking about Apple stores I mean when I was working there and in other places though but around ten to fifteen percent loss prevention is factored in yeah I wonder if someone could do a breakdown of the millions billions of dollars that they're losing versus what they're making because we've heard in the past movie studios had had their most successful years oh yeah all right people are still pirating and copying movies now we can't put it's hard to put a specific number on that but I would be curious if it was around ten to fifteen percent maybe 20 but I don't think it's fifty percent i don't think it's 40 but it's probably more around a 15 to 20 so i'm curious well and it's really really hard to do those numbers accurately yeah because not everyone is creating a model for distribution that is a true alternative to piracy like we're still not all the way there yet I mean people were pirating music in droves and it did decimate the record industry because the record industry didn't provide an alternative for almost a decade it took them almost ten years to stop suing people and provide an alternative to Napster when they finally got on board with Apple in the iTunes Store no wonder they suffered so many losses like they weren't in the store you couldn't give them your money to purchase the product that you wanted no wonder people found a technological solution that's that happens right and a lot of people didn't even realize they were breaking the law they were like this is the only place to get music online okay here I go yeah um so until we have true parity in terms of the offerings both legally it's been really hard to make that argument and to be perfectly frank the content industry spent a lot of years Trump enough numbers that they've had to apologize for or at least had to back away from because they were found to be like patently untrue or or had zero basis in fact so anyway no we don't the quick answer no we don't suppose well we're not gonna give you a quick answer what's that all that hmm all right let let let's wrap it there i think it's been an awesome show you guys we were we're super happy to be back in the bunker it just feels like we have been here in a long time you know we have three shows from CES we've been we've been in your ears for like crazy but yeah we appreciate you guys look the chat room coming out full force again we missed you showing the love shown the support so we love you guys and I think that that's gonna do it for today I know though a quick note on our chat room before we go for those of you who come out and join us live thank you so much it's wonderful to see you here you all know that for years and years and years now Genie our chat room mama pretty much has been the queen bee of the pound cnet fans IRC channel and Jeannie I'm happy to report that her home business with her husband's take it off and they're busier than they've ever been but she won't be in the chat 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